Is Conversion Therapy Free Speech?
Colorado says no. Supreme Court justices seem skeptical.

Imagine a conservative state bans therapists from talking to gay or transgender minors in a way that affirms their sexual orientation or gender identity. That would cross a line, right? Whatever conservative lawmakers personally think about homosexuality or gender dysphoria, preventing LGBTQ-affirming counseling is an affront to the First Amendment.
For this same reason, Colorado's ban on conversion therapy should be opposed.
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It's one thing to personally oppose counseling practices aimed at suppressing same-sex attraction or someone's questioning of their gender identity. But it's quite another to use government power to stop anyone from engaging in this sort of talk therapy—and the latter is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution.
That's the crux of Kaley Chiles' case before the U.S. Supreme Court this week.
And oral arguments in the case yesterday made clear that more than just Colorado's conversion therapy ban is at stake here. If allowed to stand, it could pave the way for talk therapy restrictions based on conservative views of sexuality and gender, too.
Is Therapy Speech or Conduct?
In Chiles v. Salazar, the Court is being asked to consider whether Colorado's conversion therapy ban violates the First Amendment. The state bans licensed therapists and counselors from engaging in "any practice or treatment" that "attempts or purports to change" a minor's sexual orientation or gender identity or any "behaviors or gender expressions" associated with it. It also bans treatments aimed at "eliminat[ing] or reduc[ing] sexual or romantic attraction or feelings toward individuals of the same sex."
Chiles, a licensed counselor, sued over the law, alleging that it is a form of "viewpoint-based censorship." Chiles is "a practicing Christian who views her career as an outgrowth of her faith," her lawyers wrote in their petition to the Supreme Court. "Many of Chiles's clients are also Christian and specifically seek her help because of their shared faith-based convictions and biblical worldview."
Chiles doesn't seek to impose her beliefs on unsympathetic patients, but "after discussing a client's objectives, desires, and religious or spiritual values," she will sometimes engage with them in counseling designed to suppress same-sex attraction or gender discontent, said her lawyer.
Colorado argued that the conversion therapy law bans conduct, not speech, and this is permitted by the First Amendment. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit agreed with Colorado.
Because other federal appeals courts have held that counseling conversations are speech, not therapy, the case was prime fodder for Supreme Court review.
Justices Seem Skeptical of Colorado Claims
During oral arguments yesterday, Chiles' lawyer argued that if there were medical conduct involved—things "like administering drugs, performing procedures, conducting examinations"—then "that would take it outside of the arguments we're making." But because Chiles' work only involves speech and yet would fall into the purview of the ban, that makes the ban an unconstitutional viewpoint-based restriction on speech and subject to a standard of review known as strict scrutiny.
But "a healthcare provider cannot be free to violate the standard of care just because they are using words," lawyer Shannon W. Stevenson argued on behalf of the state of Colorado. Stevenson also noted that the law only banned conversion therapy by state-licensed professionals, not by unlicensed church counselors or life coaches.
Stevenson also argued, somewhat nonsensically, that counseling a teen who wanted to reduce his feelings of attraction for another male would only be banned "if the therapist told him, or he asked, 'Can you help me become straight?'" But "if it was, 'Can you help me cope with my feelings as to how I am and how I want to live my life?' that's permitted." That seems like something of an unworkable legal distinction, and also at odds with the plain text of Colorado's statute, which also bans attempts to change "behaviors" associated with sexual orientation.
In any event, several Supreme Court justices seemed skeptical of Colorado's claim that the regulation doesn't illegally censor speech. And it wasn't just conservative justices who appeared unconvinced that the conversion therapy ban was legal.
"If a doctor says, 'I know you identify as gay, and I'm going to help you accept that,' and another doctor says, 'I know you identify is gay, and I'm going to help you to change that,' and one of those is permissible, and the other is not, that seems like viewpoint discrimination in the way we would normally understand viewpoint discrimination," liberal Justice Elena Kagan said.
"Can a State Pick a Side?"
Taking on the state's argument that the ban was OK because it was consistent with prevailing standards of care, conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch asked if a state "could forbid a regulated licensed professional from affirming homosexuality if that were consistent with the then-prevailing standard of care?" Or, if current prevailing standards of care were to change, "then a state could pass a mirror image statute to Colorado's that prohibits any attempt to affirm changes of gender identity or sexual orientation?"
As this and multiple other lines of questioning from the justices made clear, Colorado's arguments could open the door to states banning talk therapy that doesn't uphold a conservative viewpoint. And this seems like an important consideration at a time when Republicans—from local school board officers up to the president—have been increasingly aggressive about the idea that "gender ideology" is harmful to children.
"It's pretty important that we think about how this would apply to cases down the road," suggested conservative Justice Amy Comey Barrett. "So let me describe medical uncertainty as competing medical views, and let's say that you have some medical experts that think gender-affirming care should be—is dangerous to children and some that say that this kind of conversion talk therapy is dangerous. Can a state pick a side?"
Under Colorado's line of argument, it would seem that they could.
Or, as Chiles' lawyer put it in court yesterday, Colorado's rationale "would allow states to silence all kinds of speech in the counseling room, such as disfavored views on divorce or abortion."
Regulations like Colorado's also make it difficult for the sort of broad and nuanced discussions that are crucial to therapy to take place. After all, not everyone who seeks counseling for issues related to gender will wind up identifying as transgender or nonbinary or anything of the sort. Some will just be uncomfortable with gender roles and norms placed upon them; others will be exploring their identities. A broad but also somewhat vague ban like Colorado's, makes it hard for counselors to really explore the root causes of discomfort. And that's not helpful.
Missouri Attempts to Mislead Voters About Abortion Amendment
In 2024, Missourians passed Amendment 3, a constitutional amendment protecting abortion access. It specified that "the Government shall not deny or infringe upon a person's fundamental right to reproductive freedom, which is the right to make and carry out decisions about all matters relating to reproductive health care, including but not limited to prenatal care, childbirth, postpartum care, birth control, abortion care, miscarriage care, and respectful birthing conditions."
Now, Missouri Republicans are trying to reverse this with a new ballot measure—also called Amendment 3—that would repeal the previous amendment and also enshrine in the state's constitution a ban on "sex-change procedures for children."
But they're also obscuring the true nature of the amendment in voter information about the measure. An initial ballot summary "was so blatantly biased that a judge has already forced Secretary of State Denny Hoskins to rewrite it—twice," write Jessica Valenti and Kylie Cheung. "The third version finally passed legal muster, but that doesn't mean it's anywhere close to unbiased."
Here's what the summary language now approved by a judge says the new Amendment 3 would do:
• Guarantee women's medical care for emergencies, ectopic pregnancies, and
miscarriages.
• Ensure women's safety during abortions.
• Ensure parental consent for minors.
• Repeal Article I, section 36, approved in 2024; allow abortions for medical
emergencies, fetal anomalies, rape, and incest.
• Prohibit sex-change procedures for children.
This summary "doesn't explicitly state that the amendment, if passed by voters, would again ban most abortions in Missouri," notes St. Louis public radio. It also gives the (false) impression that the amendment would newly allow abortions for medical emergencies and so on.
"The ACLU of Missouri said in a statement it intends to appeal not only the ballot summary and fair ballot language, but also for a violation of the state's single subject clause," St Louis public radio reports.
"Despite three attempts, the state's ballot summary still fails to give voters a clear and honest understanding that Amendment 3 would end Missourians' fundamental right to reproductive freedom, a right we approved just last November," Tori Schafer, director of policy and campaigns for the ACLU of Missouri, said.
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Does conversion therapy work? Probably not.
Does the entire trans "thing" work? Likely no.
Hell, does therapy ITSELF work? Evidence seems, at best, murky.
This is pretty blatant viewpoint discrimination. They have no leg to stand on when it comes to efficacy.
Conversion therapy is 35 to 40% successful,
Trans therapy is 0% effictive
Cite?
Nice try, but no soup for you, Dr. Retard.
Convincing lesbians they are actually males has been very effective. So effective some lesbians have complained that all the other lesbians are gone.
They just need to get used to the ladydick or accept ostracism as a bigot, which seems to mean someone attached to reality these days.
"Gender Affirming Care" IS conversion therapy.
^This
Ps
Answer to headline: yes.
Pray the va-jay-jay into play?
"Reproductive freedom" is a misleading euphemism in and of itself. The Left screams when the Right uses its tactics against them.
I don't recall much handwriting here about free speech when Colorado passed its anti-conversion therapy law.
+1 "If you can 'clump of cells' away an entire person, then just their genitals is just 'haggling over the price'."
I'm actually suprised that a Reason article has taken this stance. Kudos on being pro-Liberty here Reason.
Yeah, I actually couldn't have held my breath that long, but this is a fair complement.
However, I still stand against ENB's false-libertarian, false-feminist position of abortion-über-alles.
You mean standing for compelled speech? Sorry but banning entire viewpoints and avenues of treatment isn't pro freedom. Sorry but there is no scientific basis for the demanded treatment and banning the alternative is not a liberty enhancing stance.
"Is Conversion Therapy Free Speech?"
Is transing kids, you fucking freak? The best analogy I can draw for gender dysphoria is anorexia. They are both mental disorders which cause people to deny the reality of the body they inhabit.
Now imagine doctors and psychiatrists talking adults and children INTO indulging their anorexic delusions instead of out of them. Imagine the media telling us that anorexics are the height of enlightenment and must never be talked out of their illness or you're rexphobic. Imagine teachers hanging anorexia flags in the classroom to let the students know that people with eating disorders are the true cool kids and you should try it too.
Gender dysphoria is an unfortunate condition. Dysphoria about gender dysphoria is psychotic and anyone who has it should be removed from positions of influence.
Your analogy is on point. Counselors engaging in conversion therapy is like them encouraging anorexia. Both are dangerous to their patients and if used on minors is child abuse.
Now do trannyism.
Where cutting off healthy body parts for no actual reason is an actual practice.
I'll take words over malicious wounding.
gender affirming care = performing gastric bypass surgery on an anorexic
I try so hard to avoid ad hominem attacks, but good lord are you fucking stupid.
Except most of it is not dysphoria but rather enabling their sexual fetishes and forcing the rest of society to participate.
If it's free speech to convince a person that they are not what they were born as, then it should also be free speech to convince a person that they are what they were born of.
The leftists are pushing an idiotic double standard and the right should not get sucked into overreacting for short term results even if it feels good for a moment. Eventually, the cycle will vacillate and you don't want to give he leftists the tools to enable even stupider ideas and actions.
Better to disassemble the powers to prevent the leftist's idiotic ideas from being implemented over the long term rather that a temporary feeling of being vindicated.
It is free speech for transhausen parents:
https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/jkakun/my_mother_forced_me_to_transition/
It should be banned to do either. But medial doctors do not try to make people gay or trans, the patients come in already like that.
You are aware that patients do ask for help to get over homosexual inclinations, right?
Bullshit.
Imagine a conservative state bans therapists from talking to gay or transgender minors in a way that affirms their sexual orientation or gender identity. That would cross a line, right?
Why? Why would that cross a line?
How would it be any different from telling therapists they can't go around telling anorexics/bulimics "You know, you're right - you are looking a little heavy." How would it be any different from telling a cutter, "If it helps you with your emotional pain or makes you feel more in control, then you should totally do that."
The role of therapy is to address mental health issues. Especially ones dealing with patients suffering a serious threat of self harm. The whole point is early intervention in hopes of prevention and, failing that, steering them back from self-destructive behaviors. What you're talking about is defending them doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
Forget about "bans" on therapy as speech. We need to be jailing any so-called "therapist" who affirm/encourage/enable their vulnerable patients in this way. It's no different than encountering them on the side of a bridge and saying, "Yea, do it. Jump!"
Or pushing them.
You tell the person with dysphoria that they're NOT a sex/gender different from what their physical body actually is and then you help them understand an accept that.
You tell the person with homosexuality that their orientation is distorted and then you help them correct it.
And all of this is done when, as adults, THEY ask for it.
You stay the hell away from children.
They can't. Republicans are obsessed with abusing children, and now they want to make it a constitutional right to abuse children.
Cite?
Evidence?
I would think pumping them with drugs that will end any possibility of fertility and sexual pleasure in their lives and, in some cases, causing a wound that is used SOLELY for the sexual pleasure of others is abuse.
You seem to think it is perfectly OK.
Fucking ghoul.
What wound would that be?
The fauxgina.
You're the one that needs to stay away from children, if you're going to tell them a boy is a girl or vice versa.
Don't think you read that right. Or maybe responded to the wrong comment.
Reason has handled strangely. I don't like the term "conversion therapy" as a descriptor for anything not directly affirming. The law tells therapists they can't question or work through a child's gender dysphoria, which is wild. Especially with such large majorities hitting puberty and going back to their biological sex/gender.
The crux of this, in my opinion, revolves around whether the state/govt can tell therapists that they must affirm children's misshapen belief that they are something they aren't. Its is 100% viewpoint discrimination. The state is telling therapists they are wrong for not believing that a child's gender identity is infallible and can't be questioned. There is one doctor who speaks out against children changing gender who says there have been multiple cases where a child pretended to be like their sibling of another sex because the child felt the parents loved the other kid more and it must be because they are a boy/girl. Simply questioning this and getting to the root isn't converting an already LGBTQ child, but in fact getting to the bottom of confusion of a child who has no actual idea what gender identity and sexual preference actually mean.
The pedo fags hate people going against their religion
Calling MAGAs "pedo fags" is a bit of a stretch but I see your point.
Feisty, I see. Name a MAGA who is a “pedo fag”. I’ll wait.
The Charlie Kirk assassination suspect. On Blue Sky, there was a photo of him wearing a Trump shirt.
Trump, Vance.
And do you have actual evidence of pedophilia from either of them, or that they are gay (or British cigarettes)? If not, then all you’re doing is libel.
"Feisty, I see. Name a MAGA who is a “pedo fag”. I’ll wait."
Tony reliably told us that Act Blue donations were an indicator of Republican sympathies. Also, writing in your manifesto that you're shooting people to help Tim Walz become a senator after his governorship, and attending No Kings rallies are pure MAGA.
I KNOW U R BUT WUT AM I LOLOLOL
Would somebody please call Molly's parents and tell them to take away her cell phone?
It's one thing to personally oppose counseling practices aimed at suppressing same-sex attraction or someone's questioning of their gender identity. But it's quite another to use government power to stop anyone from engaging in this sort of talk therapy—and the latter is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution.
Now imagine instead of counseling teens for or against purging the clump of cells that is their genitals, the discussion is over the use of government or not to counsel teens for or against the purging of human cells that is or shortly would be a human life.
... and you've been on the side that's supported federal government mandate in favor of purging for over 40 yrs.
Conversion therapy is child abuse. It would be shameful as a country to say that people have a constitutional right to abuse children.
Then we should stop trying to convert normal kids in the trans.
Blocking puberty and mutilating genitals is child abuse. It
would be is shameful to say that people have a constitutional right to abuse children.And transing kids is conversion therapy.
You don't even know what the term "conversion therapy" means.
Gender affirming care is conversion therapy, and this law makes conversion therapy mandatory.
The ban on "conversion therapy" applies to adults who willingly want to undertake it. The people who want to ban it are not protecting children. They are protecting their ideology that no one should want to not be a homosexual.
Conversion "therapy" is an adult decision, not a child's decision.
The SCOTUS would be prudent to make this distinction.
"Transitioning" is also, almost universally, an adult's decision and desire.
Wrong.
Those kids are always gaslit into it by some psychotic mom or teacher.
Kid: "The girls always get to do that. I wish I was a girl"
AWFUL mom/teacher: "Well let's just chop off those little nuts then."
This is backwards. If someone tells a boy they're a boy, how is that a "conversion"?
If anyone's doing "conversion therapy" it's the people telling boys they can be girls or vice versa.
And yes the latter should be banned. Engaging in silly delusions may permitted as an adult decision, but not a child's decision.
We know from the classic family guy episode "family gay" that when Peter got turned gay from an experimental drug shot, sending him to straight camp only made him fruitier.
Of course Peter is (sort of) an adult. Any adult should be free to go to straight camp, regardless of how gay they are. It gets a little more murky when parents force a child to attend straight camp. But, I'd probably still side on keeping government out of it, whether or not these methods actually really ungay anyone. They probably don't.
I guess teaching the Bible should be banned.
Teaching basic biological facts should be banned.
Oh but only teaching kids. Uh huh.
No, they shouldn't.
How about some counseling for the state of Colorado? Can it be saved? Should we just package it up with California and give it to Mexico?
Seems to me that there are a couple of things going on here only one of which requires intervention by the state. First the empowerment of Munchausen moms. These sick fucks have always been with us and have long been considered dangerous and in many cases criminal. We now have an entire industry devoted to facilitating their sick fantasies. The role of the state here is to criminalize any medical intervention to affect the biological sex of any minor. The other issue is just the ordinary anxiety of pretty much every kid sorting through stereotypical gender roles. No intervention of any kind needed. These kids don't need therapy of any kind. They will figure it out in due time. But again an entire industry of therapists stands ready to jack up billable hours. They need to fuck right off. Bottom line, leave the kids alone.
This whole debate is so frustratingly retarded, that it makes me want to strangle kittens.
It's not a ban on 'conversion therapy', it's a ban on anything which does not affirm a gender change to the person's biological sex. This law is literally making anything but conversion therapy illegal. If a kid comes into a therapist and expresses any confusion about his or her identity, the law demands that the therapist affirm, affirm, affirm all the way though the process which, as we know, is only step one of the process. The next step is hormone therapy and then eventually irreversible surgery.
Changing your sex through surgery, near toxic levels of hormones and chemotherapy drugs that arrest physical development is a sacred duty, but changing your preference from the butthole to the cooch through talking is literally the holocaust.
I can only imagine how the anti-cis crowd pictures conversation therapy. You are kidnapped and tied naked to a chair in a dungeon and tortured by having your balls smacked repeatedly until you renounce dick. They are picturing the torture scene in the bond film staring Craig.
FYI, this Colorado law should be called the "Don't say cis" law. I mean, if we're being 100% consistent that is.