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Supreme Court

Conversion Therapy at the Court

Plus: Air traffic controllers get mysteriously sick, California gubernatorial contenders can't answer basic questions, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.8.2025 9:30 AM

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Supreme Court takes on conversion therapy: Yesterday, the Supreme Court heard arguments in Chiles v. Salazar, a case that will have far-reaching implications when a ruling is released in June. It deals with the Colorado law banning conversion therapy for gay and transgender minors, and weighing therapists' free speech rights (versus whether the statute places a "legal regulation on professional conduct," as The New York Times put it).

Colorado's existing statute prohibits "any practice or treatment" that attempts to change a minor's "gender expressions or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attraction or feelings toward individuals of the same sex." Therapist Kaley Chiles "wishes to counsel religious teens dealing with their sexual orientation and gender dysphoria in ways she says are consistent with biblical teachings on identity," per The Washington Post. Chiles says she "does not want to convert gay and transgender teens, but wants to help those who wish to 'reduce or eliminate unwanted sexual attractions, change sexual behaviors, or grow in the experience of harmony with one's physical body.'" Lawyers for Chiles have argued that the current law respects the rights of therapists who wish to offer so-called "gender-affirming" care, but not Christian therapists who wish to offer something that could be construed as the inverse. Colorado's solicitor general, on the other hand, says the state is regulating the quality of medical treatment provided to protect residents from harm.

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"People have been trying to do conversion therapy for 100 years with no record of success," Colorado's solicitor general told the justices, citing opposition by groups like the American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association. "The medical consensus is usually very reasonable and it's very important. But have there been times when the medical consensus has been politicized, has been taken over by ideology?" Justice Samuel Alito countered, hitting the nail right on the head.

I know it's less sexy than the arguments flying back and forth at SCOTUS, but I think the Colorado "conversion therapy" ban is unconstitutionally vague. I read the statute several times and I can't tell what's permitted and what's prohibited.

— Dilan Esper (@dilanesper) October 7, 2025

Now what does it mean to "change behaviors or gender expression"? Doesn't a whole bunch of therapy try and change behaviors?

And what about suggesting a patient transition because they have gender dysphoria? Is that an "effort to change gender expression"?

— Dilan Esper (@dilanesper) October 7, 2025

Why has this not been a bigger news story? On Sunday, a man with over 200 homemade explosive devices was arrested outside the D.C. church where Supreme Court justices were slated to attend a service marking the start of their term. With him was a manifesto condemning Catholics, Jews, Supreme Court justices, and ICE.

"D.C. police first approached [Louis] Geri inside a green tent posted on the top of the stairs leading to St. Matthew's Cathedral as they cleared the block for Red Mass—an annual religious service marking the start of a new Supreme Court term and honoring the judiciary," reports The Washington Post. "You might want to stay back and call the federales, I have explosives," Geri told the cops. "Do you want me to throw one out, I'll test one out on the streets? I have a hundred-plus of them," he added, according to court records. "If you just step back, I'll take out that tree. No one will get hurt, there will just be a hole where that tree used to be."

"Several of your people are gonna die from one of these," he told the cops, as he was being apprehended. Devices appeared "fully functional" after being inspected by specialists, per court records, and Geri—who is being held without bond—faces eight charges.


Scenes from New York: I know this is a little hyperlocal, but yesterday we had two broad-daylight subway-system crimes: One man, beaten to death around 3 p.m. at a downtown Brooklyn station; another man, whose face and back were slashed with a knife, around 4 p.m. at a train station in Jackson Heights, Queens.

A man was viciously beaten to death outside a subway station in downtown Brooklyn this afternoon — and his still-at-large attacker rifled through his pockets before fleeing.

The battered victim was unconscious and unresponsive with severe injuries across his face and body when… pic.twitter.com/liYSkLdRfE

— Crime In NYC (@Crime_In_NYC) October 7, 2025


QUICK HITS

  • Massive delays snarled air traffic at Nashville and Chicago airports, and the Federal Aviation Administration—which says it's been missing about 3,000 controllers nationwide for a while, in need of new hires—reported that air traffic control in Philadelphia, Las Vegas, Houston, and Boston were also short-staffed. "The Nashville airport said that controllers would rely on radar systems from the airport tower Tuesday night because of 'insufficient staffing' and that the en route center in Memphis—more than 200 miles away—would take over approach control later in the evening," reports The New York Times. The controllers' union released a rather strange statement saying that "it is normal for a few air traffic controllers to call in sick on any given day, and this is the latest example of how fragile our aviation system is in the midst of a national shortage of these critical safety professionals." During government shutdowns, controllers are expected to work without pay, but federal law guarantees they'll receive full backpay when it ends. I wonder if this mysterious sickness will suddenly cease when the shutdown ends.
  • "We can't have a policy where we just blow up ships where we don't even know the people's names," said Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) to Bloomberg. "It can't be the policy for drug interdiction, either in the country or outside the country." Paul cited the high error rate of Coast Guard interdictions, which don't end up finding drugs about one-quarter of the time. "So they have made an error, but they don't kill them. But we've blown up four boats now, and if the percentages hold true, did one of those four boats not have drug dealers on it?" he asked.
  • New pattern emerging: Grand juries declining to indict protesters engaged in activities opposed to Trump's immigration enforcement.
  • Meet "Porky," Lima's MAGA mayor.
  • Katie Porter, who is running for governor of California, throws a fit over being asked to answer basic questions:

The Leading CA Democrat attempts to implode her own campaign in one single interview pic.twitter.com/cpVJ2hgnzJ

— OC Scanner ???????? ???????? (@OC_Scanner) October 7, 2025

  • Here's how some New Yorkers remembered October 7:

New York takes another step towards being London with a big celebration of slaughtering Jewish women and children pic.twitter.com/bGHvNELToK

— Inez Stepman ⚪️????⚪️ (@InezFeltscher) October 7, 2025

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  1. Chumby   4 hours ago

    The Fresh Prince

    Erik Prince, Founder of Blackwater/Academi/Constellis PMC, asks the Vatican and Pope Leo XIV to fund his PMC into a Crusade against Boko Haram* and Islamic State - West Africa Province to protect Christians in Nigeria

    - Bellum Acta

    The holy hand grenade might be coming back into use.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Crusades 2.0? (Or is it version 3 or 4?)

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      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   3 hours ago

        More like 8 or 9, depending on what you count.

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        1. Chumby   2 hours ago

          Jerusalem has come:

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M1wtXQslQUk&pp=

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    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

      The only problem with the crusades is that they left muzzies alive

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    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      Not a genocide until boko haram provided the Christians with most of their food.

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    4. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

      And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chunks...

      And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.

      Amen.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

        That makes more sense than anything lately from the Vatican. Or London.

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        1. Wizzle Bizzle   3 hours ago

          Or Reason.

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  2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    The idiots trying to run Colorado (and California, and all blue states and cities) believe that we should always support what crazy people say.

    That explains a lot.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      Kagan actually seems poised to strike down the law.

      The law is executed in a purely discriminatory manner. One side can use drugs, surgery, and have the state hide it from their parents. The other side can't even mention it.

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      1. Chumby   4 hours ago

        Guess it is nut cutting time.

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      2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

        That would be interesting, a 7-2 striking down of the law carrying at least one liberal justice.

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

          7-3 with roberts joining KBJ. Unless he assigns himself the author to make the decision meaningless. 33 states have these laws so he may want to limit it and give directions to Colorado on how to implement it to save it.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   3 hours ago

            Maybe a penaltax of a gazilion dollars for very specific conversions?

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            1. Chumby   3 hours ago

              That would put the penal in penaltax.

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      3. MollyGodiva   50 minutes ago

        They already ruled the opposite of what you said. States can ban medical transition.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   22 minutes ago

          This isn’t medical transition, Dr. Retard. Put that Retardian University PhD to use there.

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    2. Minadin   3 hours ago

      Would the Colorado law also ban public school teachers from pushing queer / trans / gender fluid ideology on kids?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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      2. Wizzle Bizzle   3 hours ago

        I realize your question is rhetorical, but the answer is a hard no. I live in CO so I'm "lucky" enough to have heard hours of discussion about this law. Under the law, "experts" are allowed to proselytize all they want about the benefits of cutting off your tits or dick to reveal the true you, but they can't suggest these feelings you're having might be a passing fancy or mental illness. It is decidedly a one-way street, which is among the reasons it is likely to be struck down. Though the reason this court will likely strike it down is because it's so clearly in violation of 1A, which they have been pretty staunch in defending.

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      3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

        No. And that is the viewpoint discrimination.

        Whats hilarious is the Colorado solicitor argued that attempting to change an innate characteristic through counseling is dangerous. Yet biological sex/DNA is more innate than sexual preference.

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    3. Eeyore   3 hours ago

      In the meantime teachers won't get into any trouble trying to convert students to trans.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

        No, son, they will get in trouble if they don't try to queer their students.

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        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

          No, the parents will and lose their kids if they don’t play along

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  3. Chumby   4 hours ago

    Never Get Used to This

    Black mother of two shot dead by illegal alien rapefugees. Six illegals being held have been charged:
    https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/crime/lancaster-county-nc-homicide-riverside-road-update-5-9-2025/275-e6fb429a-4b83-40b4-b276-46514b09e76b

    Team D imports.

    RIP Larisha

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

      Why do you hate cultural enrichment?

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      Dont bring a cultural knife fight to a cultural gun fight.

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    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

      I am struggling to score this one properly on my intersectional-oppression chart. How does black woman rank against brown immigrant?

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

        Lower at this point in time.

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      2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

        Good question. Is one of them gay or transgender? That’s the tiebreaker.

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        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 hours ago

          Tiebreaker may not be needed, do we know if the illegals are Latinx or White Hispanic?

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    4. Z Crazy   3 hours ago

      What did the black lives matter say about this?

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      1. tracerv   40 minutes ago

        They are too busy suing one of Soros' NGOs.

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    5. Marshal   2 hours ago

      Yet another red state harassing local fathers, this time 6 at once.

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  4. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    On the treadmill the morning I was watching a quad-screen smattering of the news, and I think it was CNN (Fox, MSNBC, BBC rounded out the quad-box as per what YouTube TV offers as their multi-screen news feed) had someone (again sorry, was the treadmill time so I didn't take notes) one complaining about HHS under RFK Jr., and how some organization of sates Surgeons General had come out against his administration of the agency. I wish I could find it again, because he said something that I have to paraphrase...at the time I was struck by the audacity of his stupidity...

    He said something like "and now these amazing doctors, scientists, and researchers who are public servants above all else are suffering under the thumb of their civilian leadership."

    Nope, no deep state there at all...

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   4 hours ago

      Just when you think you have the media enough, you don’t. You really don’t. You really can’t hate them enough.

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

      Obey, er, trust the experts!

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  5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    '"Several of your people are gonna die from one of these," he told the cops, as he was being apprehended. Devices appeared "fully functional" after being inspected by specialists, per court records, and Geri—who is being held without bond—faces eight charges.'

    How long before Geri deploys the Transgender Defense?

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    1. Chumby   4 hours ago

      The Puberty 2.0 Defense.

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      What amused me with this syory...

      All weekend the left tried stating the south Carolinas judge house was set on fire due to trump. With zero evidence. They desperately need the post Charlie right wing violence. Turns out the house fire wasn't arson.

      This guy at thr church handed police a manifesto. It is all left wing ranting. Which is why it isnt being talked about.

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      1. Chumby   4 hours ago

        Did they find a membership card on him?

        Am told that Charlie Kirk debated college students.

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      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 hours ago

        "Why has this not been a bigger news story?"

        Well, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!, TRUMP!.

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      3. Minadin   37 minutes ago

        What amused me:

        "He was handcuffed after a brief tussle shortly afterward when he got out of the tent to urinate on some trees."

        Our enemies are not impressive people.

        https://nypost.com/2025/10/08/us-news/maniac-threatened-to-detonate-tent-filled-with-200-explosives-outside-dc-church-hosting-supreme-court-justices/

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  6. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

    One man, beaten to death around 3 p.m. at a downtown Brooklyn station; another man, whose face and back were slashed with a knife, around 4 p.m. at a train station in Jackson Heights, Queens.

    I’ve been told right here that none of these things happen in the city of New York.

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    1. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Does Mark “butt fumble” Sanchez have an alibi for that timeline?

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    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

      Dude was just looking for a date, so he needed a corpse

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  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    'But have there been times when the medical consensus has been politicized, has been taken over by ideology?" Justice Samuel Alito countered, hitting the nail right on the head.'

    Is the answer "COVID"? I wrote down COVID.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

      I was thinking Covid as well.

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    2. Chumby   4 hours ago

      False. They were looking for Monkeypox.

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      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

        Aids is also acceptable. The fags owe the public reparations

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        1. Chumby   4 hours ago

          They are hoping that members of the public will turn the other cheek.

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    3. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

      That bingo card is now years out of date - - - - - -

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  8. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    'I know this is a little hyperlocal, but yesterday we had two broad-daylight subway-system crimes: One man, beaten to death around 3 p.m. at a downtown Brooklyn station; another man, whose face and back were slashed with a knife, around 4 p.m. at a train station in Jackson Heights, Queens.'

    Do you get used to it?

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

      It's less crime then 2020 so it doesn't count

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        It’s obvious the victim wasn’t being careful.

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        1. Chumby   3 hours ago

          How short of a dress was the man wearing?

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          1. Wizzle Bizzle   3 hours ago

            It is New York, so probably pretty short.

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        2. Super Scary   2 hours ago

          It's important to not be too relaxed when riding public transport.

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

      No idea. Ask them in the Scenes From Chicago:

      https://cwbchicago.com/2025/10/man-stabbed-bloomingdale-trail-bucktown-chicago.html

      A man was stabbed and choked unconscious Tuesday night after confronting a group of teenagers who stole a wheel from his bicycle on the Bloomingdale Trail in Bucktown, according to a Chicago police report.

      Around 9 p.m., officers responded to a report of a person stabbed on the trail near the 1800 block of North Wood Street. They found a 33-year-old man suffering from a stab wound to the abdomen.

      Police said he told officers he saw a group of six or seven Hispanic male teenagers wearing hoodies and backpacks, and one of them stole a wheel from his bike.

      He confronted the thief and got into an altercation with members of the group. The man said someone in the group stabbed him in the abdomen and choked him until he lost consciousness before the group fled westbound along the trail.

      Video reviewed by investigators reportedly shows a teen in a gray hoodie and dark pants pulling an object from a fanny pack, stabbing the victim, then returning the item to the bag before running away.

      The victim was transported to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center in serious condition.

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      1. Marshal   3 hours ago

        In MAGA country of all places!

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      2. Chumby   3 hours ago

        Must be Charlie Kirk followers.

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      3. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

        Looks like it's about time for the 'Deathwish' remakes to start being made.

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  9. Mickey Rat   4 hours ago

    ""People have been trying to do conversion therapy for 100 years with no record of success," Colorado's solicitor general told the justices,..."

    And there is mounting evidence that transitioning is an equally unsuccessful course of treatment for gender dysphoria as to whether it solves the mental health issues associated with dysphoria. Yet Colorado has legally protected it to the extent that it may have criminalized any other kind of treatment.

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    1. Idaho-Bob   4 hours ago

      <i<Yet Colorado has legally protected it to the extent that it may have criminalized any other kind of treatment.

      THAT conversion therapy is (D)ifferent.

      Convincing a kid that Jesus frowns on homosexuality is WAY worse than hormone therapy and chopping of body parts of kids.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        I can't wait to see their treatment for anorexia.

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        1. Chumby   4 hours ago

          Demjeff was able to win the battle against anorexia.

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          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

            A huge victory.

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            1. Chumby   3 hours ago

              Historians termed it The Battle of the Bulge

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

                What did Jeff say about "nuts"?

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                1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

                  It’s been years since he’s seen them. At least long enough to declare them as legally dead

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                  1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

                    The kids he flashes on the street may see them though.

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          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 hours ago

            Demjeff was able to win the bottle against anorexia.

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    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

      Actually conversion therapy is about 35-40% successful. About half of the people who are gay, are gay because it's a psychological responce to sexual abuse as a child. This is why the faggots that support pedofiles need to be killed.

      I've said this before. If there were a button in front of me and if I pressed it all pedos and all pedo supporters would instantly die, I would press it.

      100% of the t the Qs and the muzzies would be dead, 90% of the lgbs would be dead, and 85% of the dems would be dead

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   55 minutes ago

        What if you had two bullets and were confronted by Hitler, Pol Pot and a pedo?

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      2. MollyGodiva   49 minutes ago

        You made that up.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   19 minutes ago

          Jealous as you make up a lot of shit, poorly, I might add?

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  10. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    Virgia AG candidate continues to be exposed as a true POS. First two bullets, then the 116 in a 45 super-speeder/reckless endangerment case wherein he (purportedly) served his "community service" by working for his own campaign, then people need to suffer real pain to provoke policy changes, now it comes out he has no qualms about cops getting shot.

    https://nypost.com/2025/10/06/us-news/virginia-ag-candidate-jay-jones-said-if-more-cops-got-killed-they-wouldnt-shoot-so-many-people-lawmaker-claims/

    Coyner has come forward with new allegations against Jones, telling the Virginia Scope Monday that during a 2020 conversation about qualified immunity, she told Jones that without the legal protection, police officers would get killed.

    “Well, maybe if a few of them died, that they would move on, not shooting people, not killing people,” Jones responded according to Coyner.

    ------------

    Meanwhile the press and Virgina Democrats are covering for him.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/media-goes-full-damage-control-on-jay-jones-scandal-that-could-cost-dems-virginia-election/ar-AA1NYdx3

    The legacy press is circling the wagons for Democratic Virginia attorney general candidate Jay Jones after the release of text messages that could derail his campaign.

    Major outlets including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Reuters and Bloomberghave ignored the scandal involving Jones’s disturbing private messages and use of a reckless driving conviction for political gain. Neither story appears on their websites, and none have published follow-up coverage or reactions from political figures — including President Donald Trump — to the revelations.

    Even CNN downplayed the scandal with a soft headline — “Virginia’s Democratic nominee for attorney general facing pressure over resurfaced text messages” — that omitted any reference to the messages’ contents.

    CNN Politics homepage screenshot showing the story headlined “Virginia’s Democratic nominee for attorney general facing pressure over resurfaced text messages” by Eva McKend on October 4, 2025. (Screenshot/CNN)

    Axios only offered a brief mention Monday, headlining its piece “GOP unveils 7-figure ad campaign on ‘two bullets’ text by Jay Jones,” but the headline likewise failed to explain what the messages actually said.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      "Meanwhile the press and Virgina Democrats are covering for him."

      It's evil cunts, all the way down.

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    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

      — “Virginia’s Democratic nominee for attorney general facing pressure over resurfaced text messages”

      - “Jeffrey Dahmer facing scrutiny over leftovers found in his fridge” - Gutfeld last night

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    3. damikesc   2 hours ago

      He also tried to shame a Republican into dropping out of a race for joking about a woman's appearance.

      Just to keep the consistency high.

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    4. Super Scary   1 hour ago

      Trump: "I hate my opponents. I don't wish the best for them"
      Jones: "Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head."

      Media: Trump's rhetoric is dangerous!

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  11. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    'Why has this not been a bigger news story? On Sunday, a man with over 200 homemade explosive devices was arrested outside the D.C. church where Supreme Court justices were slated to attend a service marking the start of their term. With him was a manifesto condemning Catholics, Jews, Supreme Court justices, and ICE.'

    Not MAGA enough?

    Left-establishment media: call us when some bitter white guy tries to blow up DNC headquarters, and posts a manifesto condemning atheists, women, Muslims, and NPR. We will run that on page one for at least a week.

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    1. mad.casual   2 hours ago

      Left-establishment media: call us when some bitter white guy tries to blow up DNC headquarters, and posts a manifesto condemning atheists, women, Muslims, and NPR. We will run that on page one for at least a week.

      [Waits for 5s by the phone]

      Left-establishment media: Fuck it. Find some guy who intentionally registered as a Republican as a spoiler in a primary 20 yrs. ago and just make the rest up.

      Everyone else: Again?!?

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   4 hours ago

    It deals with the Colorado law banning conversion therapy for gay and transgender minors...

    As long as it's still legal to convert them to an entirely different set of genitalia.

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    1. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Like Astrotrain?

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    2. mad.casual   2 hours ago

      As long as it's still legal to convert them to an entirely different set of genitalia.

      I'm no biologist, mathematician, or computer scientist/data analyst, but I'm pretty sure "front hole" doesn't constitute even a single genital, let alone a set of them. But, as an assigned-at-birth penis-haver, I guess it's not my problem.

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  13. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    "New York takes another step towards being London with a big celebration of slaughtering Jewish women and children"

    Spiked has a similar take...

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/10/06/campus-feminists-have-rebranded-rape-as-resistance/

    At Goldsmiths, University of London, the Feminist Library has really outdone itself. It has decided to mark the two year anniversary of the 7 October pogrom – the day, that is, when Hamas militants tortured, murdered and raped their way through southern Israel – with a film night celebrating the ‘Palestinian resistance’.

    ‘Join us for a night of remembrance’, reads the library’s Instagram page, as if approaching the anniversary of a favourite Disney classic. Another post followed, stating that the library stands ‘unequivocally’ with the Palestinian cause. Feminism is a ‘framework that demands people struggle for their freedom’, it told its followers, reminding them that real feminists don’t organise ‘because we may identify as women’, but to fight ‘white supremacy, Western empire and patriarchy’.

    In other words, sticking up for women comes pretty low down on the list of priorities. So low, in fact, that when presented with a choice between solidarity with women who were beaten, raped and murdered, and the men that did this, these tote-bag feminists are more than happy to side with the latter.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      See? It really is evil cunts, all the way down.

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      The left is full of paychos and evil people.

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    3. Zeb   3 hours ago

      Good heavens. The fact that they can't take just the one day to at least acknowledge that the attack was an evil, despicable thing to be remembered and condemned really tells you where these people's priorities are. I'd say it was tone deaf, but I think it's well beyond that into straight celebration of evil. If you think Israel is in the wrong with some of their policies and actions, fine. If you think that means that all of their citizens are fair game to murder, you can fuck right off.

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      1. Mike Parsons   42 minutes ago

        BLM chapters posting the paratrooper with a palestine flag, "gas the jews" being displayed in Sydney, mass celebrations in the streets with palestine flags all on October 8 2023. It was clear as day back then, its no different now. They were celebrating.

        Their response has honestly solidified my feeling of letting Israel take out their trash and do what they need to.

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    4. Mike Parsons   55 minutes ago

      Remember, they were dancing in the streets with Palestine flags on October 8th 2023. They were complaining about Isreals response and celebrating the death of Jews while the bodies were still warm before anything was even done in response.

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  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    'Massive delays snarled air traffic at Nashville and Chicago airports, and the Federal Aviation Administration—which says it's been missing about 3,000 controllers nationwide for a while, in need of new hires—reported that air traffic control in Philadelphia, Las Vegas, Houston, and Boston were also short-staffed.'

    Nobody needs 23 kinds of airports.

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    1. Jerry B.   4 hours ago

      I'm surprised that Trump hasn't threatened to do a Reagan on ATCs who are sicking out.

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  15. Fist of Etiquette   4 hours ago

    Why has this not been a bigger news story?

    WE ALL KNOW WHY.

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    1. Fist of Etiquette   4 hours ago

      With him was a manifesto condemning Catholics, Jews, Supreme Court justices, and ICE.

      I hate to be that giy, but if this nutjob was MAGA it would non-stop team coverage. As it is, corporate journalists won't touch it.

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 hours ago

        He hates Catholics and ICE? Seems like he might just be a nutjob. Just guessing but I'd bet money the religious group most deported are Catholics.

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    2. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Blue Sky assures me this guy is MAGA. Ask Tony about it being a false flag.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        False fag?

        Er, I mean transgender hero.

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      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

        MAGA because he has parents and donates to ActBlue

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  16. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

    Wow, I guess it turned out to be really short sighted when the trash Obama kicked out all the white atc candidates in favor of illiterate blacks.

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  17. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    'New pattern emerging: Grand juries declining to indict protesters engaged in activities opposed to Trump's immigration enforcement.'

    New rule: every one of those grand jurors has to adopt an immigrant "family".

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  18. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 hours ago

    Those aren't new yourkers, they are an invasive species. They should be treated like the cancer they are

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  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 hours ago

    I know this is a little hyperlocal, but yesterday we had two broad-daylight subway-system crimes...

    Are they still crimes? No one is sure.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      Only of you defend your fellow subway riders from attacks is it a crime.

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  20. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    I'm shocked...shocked...

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/federally-funded-researchers-bury-results-covid-vaccine-effect-liver

    They waited until 39 pages into a 54-page supplement, separate from the paper, to disclose the higher risk for vaccinated patients under 21 who are reinfected, for conditions such as "acute kidney injury," abdominal pain, "abnormal liver enzyme" and even long COVID itself.

    The incidence rate (per 1M people) for PASC among the vaccinated was 1,145 and 2,901 for first and second infection, respectively, and among the unvaccinated, 764 and 1,690. For acute kidney injury, 795 and 1,429 versus 497 and 1,121; abnormal liver enzyme, 1,858 and 2,748 versus 879 and 1,282; and abdominal pain, 22,492 and 31,065 versus 15,670 and 21,135.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      So 100% safe?

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   3 hours ago

        With no downsides!

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    2. Quicktown Brix   3 hours ago

      They waited until 39 pages into a 54-page supplement, separate from the paper

      Nothing was buried. That's where they presented the raw data that was not relevant to the point of the study which was long COVID in adolescents with reinfection. All of these data were included in the main manuscript page 9 as relative risk, the relevant comparison for their study

      They found (per million)
      Acute kidney injury was for vaccinated was 497 and 1122 for 1st and 2nd infection respectively vs. 796 and 1429 in unvaccinated, but no statistical analysis or confounding variables to elucidate if that is a significant difference.

      Some other findings:

      abdominal pain [15671 and 21136, unvaccinated] vs. [22429 and 31065, vaccinated]

      Acute respiratory distress syndrome (often fatal): [55 and 146, unvaccinated] vs [- and - vaccinated]

      Heart disease: [2185 and 4013, unvaccinated] vs [2058 and 3272 vaccinated]

      cognitive impairment: [3647 and 5088, unvaccinated] vs [1549 and 2096 vaccinated]

      Thrombophlebitis and thromboembolism: [448 and 1137, unvaccinated] vs [564 and 535 vaccinated]

      myocarditis: [50 and 129, unvaccinated] vs [- and - vaccinated]

      https://www.thelancet.com/cms/10.1016/S1473-3099(25)00476-1/attachment/ccb2a01a-8062-4cce-84a8-f65bf4a2e5c6/mmc1.pdf

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      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   1 hour ago

        “They waited until 39 pages into a 54-page supplement, separate from the paper, to disclose the higher risk for vaccinated patients under 21… and even long COVID itself.”

        “Nothing was buried. That's where they presented the raw data that was not relevant to the point of the study which was long COVID in adolescents with reinfection.”

        Don’t be like Lying Jeffy.

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        1. Quicktown Brix   1 hour ago

          This is how scientific articles are written. You emphasize the data relevant to your study plan, then if we're lucky, include the raw data in a supplemental file. Either the researchers or the journal should be credited for sharing raw data that was outside the scope of the research.

          The article is organized in a way that is appropriate for scientific writing and hardly deserved the critique of some hack journalist with an agenda that clearly doesn't understand what they're reporting while simultaneously highlighting data that supports their narrative while omitting data inconvenient to their agenda. Greg Piper from Justthenews fails to understand the study was not powered to deliver the conclusion he made nor the ones he himself buried.

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          1. Uilleam   33 minutes ago

            You are so knowledgeable and experienced. We should all just listen to you and disregard our own common sense. I think the world would be a better place.

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            1. Quicktown Brix   13 minutes ago

              Yes!

              And don't worry. You'll all get used to it.

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    3. Chumby   2 hours ago

      Weird that Reason’s Bailey hasn’t reported on this.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

        Has enough testing even been done yet?

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  21. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    The ladies at The View suggested that everyone attend the Super Bowl in "brownface" and adopt hispanic accents so that ICE won't be able to find the real brown people.

    https://x.com/NickFondacaro/status/1975218861738737950

    Joy Behar calls Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem a racist for ICE going being at the Super Bowl next year when Bad Bunny is performing (they're there every year). Whoopi instructs people to attend the Super Bowl in Latinoface to confuse ICE:

    JOY BEHAR: She's threatening to go to the Super Bowl when Bad Bunny is there and round up all these people that are illegal immigrants. Do you think that she would go if it was Garth brooks or Eminem or Taylor Swift or any other white person?!

    WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Let me understand what you're saying because she's going to go to the Super Bowl and round up -- how is she going to know who is who?

    BEHAR: Because the supreme court has given permission to question anyone who has a Spanish accent, who has a dark skin. That's why!

    GOLDBERG: Here is the thing, everybody, get a little cocoa butter, sit in the sun, that's the first thing. An then -- and this is the only time you can probably ever do this, give yourself a Latin accent.

    BEHAR: You know, Whoopi, that is such a good idea.

    GOLDBERG: And just see -- and see if she can tell who is who.

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    1. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Wouldn’t be surprised if sarcasmic masturbates to these ladies.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

        Would be surprised if he could even get it up.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 hours ago

          Whiskey dick.

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          1. Chumby   2 hours ago

            Sarc the herald, angels sing,
            Limp from booze his dingaling.
            Peace on Earth and mercy mild,
            He bitch slapped his only child.
            So drunk that he cannot rise,
            So shitfaced there’s no surprise.
            With a forty in each hand,
            Blacked out all day, is his plan.
            Sarc the herald angels sing,
            Limp from booze his dingaling.

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            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 hours ago

              Got no idea what you do for a living, but I know what you could do for a living.

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            2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   13 minutes ago

              LOL!

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Do I have to mention the evil cunt thing again this morning?

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    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 hours ago

      Umm...unless Behar and crew are going to forgo the box seats and just sell waters outside the venue, I don't think they will be mistaken for illegals no matter how good Ted Dansons makeup artist is.

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    4. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   3 hours ago

      So, blackface is cool now?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

        Castreaux, is that you?

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      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 hours ago

        Blackface was always cool

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      3. Chumby   2 hours ago

        When Whoopie was dating Ted Danson, he did a blackface routine for her as part of a roast:

        https://m.youtube.com/shorts/k3AW4QJc-xY

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    5. mad.casual   2 hours ago

      Fun fact: Bad Bunny and Garth Brooks are both White Native Born Americans and Elon Musk is not.

      I learned this fact < 2 min. after I learned who Bad Bunny is.

      At this point, The View is more of a documentary about how your Silent/Boomer Generation grandma slipped into the supposedly well meaning, soft (because grandma) racist bubble she's going to die in (again).

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  22. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    Ireland keeps racing to the bottom of the woke barrel...what criteria do we think will be used to see which "artists" qualify for the free money?

    https://www.rte.ie/culture/2025/1007/1537249-budget-2026-basic-income-for-artists-scheme-to-become-permanent/

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    1. Chumby   4 hours ago

      This will raise the ire of some locals.

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    2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   3 hours ago

      what criteria do we think will be used to see which "artists" qualify for the free money?

      Unnatural hair color and tattoo count?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

        I'll see your unnatural hair color and tattoos, and raise you a transgender Palestinian refugee.

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    3. Gaear Grimsrud   31 minutes ago

      Ironically Van Morrison was one of a handful of artists who loudly and openly opposed the lockdowns because live performances were criminalized. He even cut a record condemning the tyranny. For his efforts he was pilloried in the press in general and in the music press in particular. Check out the Rolling Stone archives.

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  23. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 hours ago

    1.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech

    2.No pay, no work. That isn't unreasonable. Privatize air travel!

    3. No bombing boats, weddings, or even Filthadelphia without an act of War

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 hours ago

      Move to deerborn and inform the muzzi animals about number 1

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 hours ago

        Ewww, Michigan.

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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   29 minutes ago

          At least it's not Canada.

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  24. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   3 hours ago

    “Why has this not been a bigger news story?”

    The left continues to become more violent, and most of the media is propaganda for the left, Liz.

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    1. Chumby   3 hours ago

      Didn’t Reason’s Matt Welch weigh in on political violence?

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   3 hours ago

        I haven’t red anything.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

          Maybe Welch will wed it to another asinine story.

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    2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   3 hours ago

      “New pattern emerging: Grand juries declining to indict protesters engaged in activities opposed to Trump's immigration enforcement.”

      Can you connect these dots Liz?

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   26 minutes ago

        She's the voice of Reason. Really out of place here.

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    3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

      It’s amazing and welcome how Mediocre (and Rapidly Declining) Liz snapped back and has become Based Tradmom Liz after Charlie Kirk (and her baby’s diagnosis)

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

        KMW was the ghostwriter during the pregnancy?

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        1. Chumby   1 hour ago

          I’d guess Bekah.

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  25. Michael Ejercito   3 hours ago


    And what about suggesting a patient transition because they have gender dysphoria? Is that an "effort to change gender expression"?

    Theoretically, yes.

    But we all know it will be enforced only in one direction.

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  26. Fist of Etiquette   3 hours ago

    Grand juries declining to indict protesters engaged in activities opposed to Trump's immigration enforcement.

    Deploy the National Guard to sit on grand juries. Do I have to think of everything?

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  27. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

    The Left is trying to party like it’s 1859.

    https://johnkassnews.com/confederate-chaos-in-chicago/

    Are we living in 1859?

    I ask it that way because all you can see and hear from Chicago are chaos, anarchy, violence, leftist conspiracy theories and exhortations by Democrats to ruin, and murder federal officials enforcing the law. It’s getting worse by the day.

    A leader of the Latin Kings Street gang was charged with ordering the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Chief Gregory Bovino, whom Gov. JB Pritzker spent days defaming. Pritzker put a target on Bovino. The Latin King leader Juan Espinoza Martinez is now under arrest. Is that insurrection?

    [ed - it was a $10,000 bounty.]

    Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson (6 percent approval rating) and Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker continue to demonize federal law enforcement officers. And the Chicago Police Department shamed itself by telling officers to stand down rather than come to the aid of Immigration and Customs enforcement agents being swarmed by leftist mobs on the Southwest Side and nearby suburbs.

    I’ve been a reporter in Chicago for almost 50 years and I’ve never heard of Chicago police abandoning fellow Law Enforcement officers. It goes against everything I know about them. Shameful and disgusting are just words. This is more than words. There may not have been an order to stand down, but the order was clear: turn your cars around and leave it alone.

    At a press conference on Monday, the comically illiterate buffoon Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson, already famous for his battles with reality and his wild panic attacks continued painting his deranged Civil War fantasies.

    This time the mayor claimed that “the extreme Right in this country refuse to accept the results of the Civil War. They have repeatedly called for a rematch.”

    A rematch?

    Republicans were opposed to slavery then, and it was the Democrat Party protecting slavery and slaughtering Americans in the hope of preserving it. And they fought to allow the racist KKK to spread fear in the South.

    For years now, Chicago Democrats—from Johnson and Gov. J.B. Pritzker have gone on and on, screaming, full of angry rage against federal forces enforcing federal immigration law. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson: “The right wing of this country wants a REMATCH of the Civil War… The President has declared war on the people of Chicago and people across America.”

    Again I ask all Americans: Are we living in 1859?

    The Democrats are still feeding the hungry assassination culture that took the life of Christian youth organizer Charlie Kirk just weeks ago.

    In Virginia for example, the Virginia Democrat candidate for state Attorney General is Jay Jones. In texts with a fellow legislator, Jones fantasized about killing a Republican political opponent, even killing the opponent’s children, and pissing on the graves.

    Democrat leaders aren’t demanding he disqualify himself. They protect Jay Jones in the bosom of the assassination culture.

    Rather than avoid Jones, Democrats are doubling down, endorsing him. They think they can ride this one out with backing from the corrupt leftist corporate media. And so they must think Republicans are fools.

    I’m sure the Confederate Democrats thought they could ride it all out back in the day. Then came Gettysburg. And the South never smiled.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

      Democrats. Telling black people what to do, since 1828.

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

      And...this just in:

      President Trump escalated his battle with Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson and Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, saying the Democratic leaders should be imprisoned for failing to protect ICE officers.

      Time for more popcorn.

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    3. MK Ultra   2 hours ago

      Should have ended at Antietam. Fucking McClellan.

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  28. creech   3 hours ago

    Candidate pissed because there are follow-up questions? How often do "journalists" do this? My experience is that all candidates - from President down to local office seekers - never answer the first question. Without the rare follow-up questions, you'd never know where the candidate or politician stood. "Journalist": "But isn't your campaign ad distorting what your opponent said?" Candidate: "I'm not continuing to have this interview if you dare challenge anything I say."

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   3 hours ago

      You can’t have chicks in office.

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  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

    Wrong place.

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  30. mad.casual   3 hours ago

    Colorado's existing statute prohibits "any practice or treatment" that attempts to change a minor's "gender expressions or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attraction or feelings toward individuals of the same sex."

    I won't hold my breath for ENBs "Whoops! Colorado accidentally banned 'gender affirming care'!" take even though that's what the law should do both implicitly in spirit and explicitly in letter (rather than just being a completely arbitrary 'The law means whatever I say it means, because fuck you, that's why').

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  31. I, Woodchipper   2 hours ago

    Katie Porter is the apotheosis of longhouse harridan. She's amazing to watch really.

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    1. Mike Parsons   57 minutes ago

      I love how she smugly and condescendingly just admits how rigged the system is in Ca, with a "why would I give a flying fuck what they think, I get an automatic win for being a D, idiot" and then implodes when asked the most basic of follow ups.

      Remember, they love democracy, so long as they are winning the election. They love 'muh journalism' so long as a journalist doesnt have the audacity to ask even the mildest of questions.

      They kind of journalism they all glorify is Obama era MSM slop journalism. Where Obama and his white house can leak information to them to run, he gives them access, they give back glowing praise, and they all get to go to the cocktail party and whitehouse correspondents dinner and yuck it up in their walled garden.

      They are really unhappy this backfired trying to run cover for Biden, when they jumped the shark trying to trick the public into thinking he was alive and adept instead of a walking corpse despite their lying eyes.

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    2. Gaear Grimsrud   19 minutes ago

      To be fair she did better than Kamala would have done.

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  32. MollyGodiva   54 minutes ago

    The lawyer for the state of Colorado was awful. There are decades of medical studies showing conversion therapy is ineffective and dangerous. She should have focused on this. The state banning conversion therapy is no different than the state banning counselors to recommend suicide.

    She also neglected to hit on the point that the minor patients are forced into therapy by their parents. The whole racket is malicious from the start.

    SCOTUS is about to declare a constitutional right to abuse children. This is disgusting and offensive to anyone with a shred of humanity.

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    1. NoVaNick   45 minutes ago

      Up until the 1970s, conversion therapy for gay teens was electroshock (Lou Reed had this done to him). This was also the conversion therapy for trans teens until fairly recently. I suspect that counseling a kid now whose family or themself might be uncomfortable with their sexuality or gender is a bit different despite what the left would like you to believe.

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      1. mad.casual   20 minutes ago

        This is a categorically retarded, dishonest retcon. It's like saying "Up until the 1970s the primary means for automechanics to treat leaded emissions from a three-cylinder engine was to forcibly add fuel injection and this was also therapy for rotary engines until fairly recently."

        Straight (or non-sexual) women were electroshocked and even lobotomized more often than homosexual men and, frequently and anecdotally even in Lou Reed's case, the treated gay men (and women) were treated for other psychological reasons and homosexuality or sexual deviance was just incidental (if it was even known to the patient at the time). To wit, Lou Reed had a mental breakdown of his own accord and was, nominally, treated for that while, e.g., Rosemary Kennedy likely had an intellectual disability and was electroshocked *and* lobotomized for that.

        Why do you hate straight, gay, trans, the otherwise mentally infirm or unstable, the medical community then and now, the intervening progress between then and now, the people who lived then, ... everyone... to torture them with such dishonest horseshit?

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    2. Uilleam   28 minutes ago

      "The state banning conversion therapy is no different than the state banning counselors to recommend suicide."

      I'm really glad that you're not part of the decision making process.

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   15 minutes ago

        Recommending suicide is required in Canada.

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