Brendan Carr and Ted Cruz Don't Think Charlie Kirk's Murder Justifies Speech Restrictions
Rand Paul, who called for "a crackdown on people" who celebrated the assassination, was less careful in distinguishing between private and government action.

Since President Donald Trump appointed him as chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Brendan Carr has deviated from his avowed commitment to the First Amendment in several notable ways. So it is surprising but encouraging to see Carr throw cold water on the notion that the government should try to suppress negative online comments about conservative activist Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination last week.
"I think you can draw a pretty clear line, and the Supreme Court has done this for decades, that our First Amendment, our free speech tradition, protects almost all speech," Carr said at Politico's AI and Tech Summit on Tuesday. While the Court has said incitement to violence can be punished in certain circumstances, he noted, that's "a relatively small category of speech," and there are "existing laws on the books that deal with that."
Carr has previously suggested that the FCC might try to limit liability protection for social media platforms under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. But when Politico's Alex Burns asked him whether such interpretive regulation seems "more urgent" in light of Kirk's murder, Carr said his main concern is not excessive tolerance for inflammatory rhetoric but the opposite: heavy-handed content moderation, which he sees as a threat to freedom of speech.
"Over the years," Carr said, "we saw a lot of abuses. We saw individual Americans participating in the digital town square that were getting censored purely for protected First Amendment speech, for diversity of viewpoints on religious or medical issues." He added that he was "pleased to see" a "course correction within the social media community," including policy changes at X and Facebook, that has "embraced, or re-embraced, the idea of free speech online."
Carr, in short, is still loath to acknowledge that the First Amendment protects the editorial discretion of social media companies, which he has erroneously portrayed as a threat to Americans' constitutional rights. But he at least seems to be applying his preference for less moderation even-handedly, which in the current debate about online speech and political violence means tolerating the "radical left" rhetoric that Trump claims is "directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today."
At the same conference, another Trump ally, Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas), likewise defended the First Amendment rights of his political opponents. "We have seen…far too many people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder," he said, adding that teachers and professors who have done that "should absolutely face the consequences for celebrating murder." But those consequences, he said, should take the form of "naming and shaming," which he described as "part of a functioning and vibrant democracy." The First Amendment "absolutely protects hate speech," he noted. "It protects vile speech. It protects horrible speech. What does that mean? It means you cannot be prosecuted for speech, even if it is evil and bigoted and wrong."
That much may seem elementary. But it is a welcome reminder in a political context where even the attorney general seems confused about the constitutional status of "hate speech."
In a Fox Business interview on Tuesday, Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) alluded to the distinction between private and government responses to offensive speech, but his comments were ambiguous enough that an uncharitable viewer could easily interpret them as approval of the latter. "I was assaulted six, seven years ago, attacked from behind, had six ribs broken and part of my lung removed, and still online, on a daily basis people say they wish that it would happen to me all over again," he said, referring to a 2018 attack by an irate neighbor. "And by sort of making light of what I suffered, they are encouraging other people to do it. That ought to be taken down, and social media ought to be able to take that down."
Paul also noted that people who endorse violence against their political opponents could lose their jobs. "People say, 'Oh, people have a right to say things,'" he said. "Well, actually they don't necessarily have a right to say things. Many people have in their contract what we call a morals clause…or a conduct clause." And "if you're in the military, you have a conduct code that you have to adhere to in your speech and the way you present yourself to the public." Paul added that "I think it is time for this to be a crackdown on people," which he said would be "perfectly legal and legitimate, particularly if it's part of the contract process."
Paul's comments are not a model of clarity. But contrary to what some of his critics claim, I don't think they amount to a repudiation of the First Amendment.
Saying that certain inflammatory posts "ought to be taken down" and that social media platforms should be free to do so is not the same as saying the government should mandate that result. Nor is Paul's endorsement of professional penalties, which he emphasizes would be "legal and legitimate" if done under applicable contract clauses, tantamount to recommending legal punishment, although it may be hard to reconcile with conservative complaints about "cancel culture." The same goes for his statement that "these people need to be shunned."
More problematically, Paul referred approvingly to university codes of conduct that might be violated even by constitutionally protected speech. He did not acknowledge the First Amendment constraints on state-run universities that punish students for violating such rules.
Paul did eventually mention potential First Amendment concerns, saying, "We have to be wary of where it leads to, so it doesn't lead to speech problems." He nevertheless could and should have made it clearer that the "crackdown" he has in mind does not entail the sort of government restrictions that Carr and Cruz rightly rejected.
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If you think the 1A applies to people who celebrate this murder then you're a leftist Marxist with TDS.
If you think the 1A protects you from the wrath of your employer, you might be a pickle brain drunk.
Not really. There are certain situations covered under the U.S. Constitution and our Bill of Rights for which you cannot be persecuted, dummy.
You’re free to hire those people at the business you own.
“Those people”? Who are you referring to, fat dummy?
You’re the rapist, the business you own can hire the folks recently unemployed due to their former employers not wanting people like that representing their brand. You’re talking with me, not obese and obtuse jeff.
We’re talking about your claim employers can violate an employee’s Constitutional Rights, you horrendously ignorant bigot.
Who is we? The imaginary voices in your head?
Constitutional rights protect people from government, not from businesses.
You’re really bad at this.
I regularly hire people at work . Is it ok with you if i fire them if i find out they’ve been making transphobic comments outside of work? Let me know.
LOL, the local bums giving you blowjobs for fent doesn't count, KAR.
It appears to me that Charlie Kirk was an apologist who defended genocidal Zionist pedo tyrants but that his perspectives of late were evolving in what I personally believe might be in a position direction as it relates to common sense and a respect towards humanity.
I could be wrong about that but he certainly didn’t deserve to be murdered.
Funny thing is, you can't throw a rock at your kind without hitting a pedo.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15104765/george-zinn-child-porn-charlie-kirk.html
What is my “kind”, dummy? Do you have anything specific?
If you question Trump then you're a leftist Marxist with TDS.
(Yeah, I know but when you’re workin with dumb-dumbs you have to keep the parameters simple and make them have to examine their baseless claims).
It’s probably not the questioning Trump and more the ridiculous shit he says like “defended genocidal Zionist pedo tyrants” in his post that elicited the response he got.
Just sayin.
What, you can't read a simple link, you waste of carbon molecules?
I look forward to the outrage when Trumpians discover that companies receiving federal money were quietly told to fire people with unpopular opinions.
Haaaa ha ha ha! Just kidding.
Because right and wrong are determined by who, not what, Trumpians will say it's like totally different from when the Biden administration influenced Twatter and Facederp.
Apparently, you are under the mistaken impression that our government cares about a cessation in the production, procuring, and/or trafficking in dangerous or potentially dangerous drugs. Heck, as a nation and people we no longer even care about funding or even participating in genocide let alone other horrendous behaviors like the theft of wealth or life and liberty.
JS;dr
Don’t be stupid, fat dummy. Use your words.
I muted the clown. Between shitty puns he just calls people names and tells lies. He used to make salient points and have civil conversations, but now he's reduced to being a Jesse clone with a shitty sense of humor. He's best unread.
Poor sarcles gets sad when his lies and bullshit are called out. Maybe some hot takes sparcles:
“The Dems did it first!”
“It is the who and not the what!”
“Trump MAGA arrrrgggghhhhh”
Welcome to The List.
#MeanGirls
Funny how someone being such a disgusting human being that I put them on mute is considered to be a badge of honor.
I used to believe that everyone was redeemable. These comments showed me just how wrong I was.
You’re the rapist, your batting average is zero. Keep swinging and missing.
Well, at least you’re trying to use your words now, meathead chumbucket. We’ll consider that progress but keep in mind we’re keeping our standards low. Don’t want you to give yourself alcohol poisoning tonight in a fit of depression.
“We’ll” = more voices in your head?
JS;dr
Well, the retarded gryoper theory is dead. All the retards here including many writers fell for it. Many of those retards in this very thread.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/09/wink-wink-kirk-murderers-bragging-texts-abc-gushed/
But Blue Sky reported it!
Wait what?
Christian Britschgi just wrote a whole article about all the 'cancel culture' being conservatives fault.
Guess Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Carr are all Liberals now?
Same style of argumentation as Destiny. What a fucking psycho.
Let’s do what Charlie Kirk would have wanted. We need to hunt down the millions of people who have expressed anything more than a cautious ambivalence about his death and put them into concentration camps. It’s what he would have wanted.
https://jacobin.com/2025/09/kirk-posobiec-political-violence-far-right
Don't worry, folks. Joe Biden will be dead sooner rather than later. We will then see how seriously Team Red is opposed to "celebrating someone's death".
Leftard Self-Projection.
What you don't seem to get and probably never will is that 'Team Red' doesn't personally care enough to personally hate Joe Biden. It is the government abuse/theft Biden favors that 'Team Red' hates. 'Team Red' doesn't like government oppression.
It's an equation of WHAT; not WHO. Something the left has a hard time comprehending because their entire party-platform is all about [WE] Identify-as gang-building.
'Team Red' doesn't personally care enough to personally hate Joe Biden.
lol were you asleep for the past 4 years?
Your perspective of the past 4-years is nothing but a reflection of your own personal-bias canvas. ...because the left sees everything as 'Gang' oriented instead of Individual oriented. Precisely why they, the left, lobbies for everything 'Gang' (i.e. collective) oriented.
the left sees everything as 'Gang' oriented
psst: they're not the only ones
Fair enough; just packing the largest bag of it by far.
The religious right also packs a lot of 'Gang' orientation as well.
Too many religious fanatics forget the right and the very foundation of the USA is about Individualism.
"the attorney general seems confused "
She isn't confused. She is a Trump puppet.
Hate speech against the Right is no longer constitutionally protected. Because Trump says so. Bondi would be fired if she disagrees.
It is remarkable that Carr has disagreed. He will probably end up the same as Susan Monarez did.
Amazing how everyone is a 'Trump puppet' yet Trump has caught more static from his-own side than any other Republican.
...and that my friends; is how you know it is nothing but leftard Self-Projection.
"'Team Red' doesn't personally care enough to personally hate Joe Biden."
Either you have been living in a cave for the past five years, or are on Putin's payroll, or are a Useful Idiot.
Tell us again how many witch-hunt legal cases Biden was dragged through? How many murder attempts on his life was carried out?
You've got nothing but 'useful idiot' imagination going on.
Biden is 82 and will likely die from some end of life disease after having lived a full life. That is totally the same as being struck down by an assassin’s bullet at age 31.
When Jimmy Carter died, this was the story:
https://reason.com/2024/12/29/rip-jimmy-carter-the-passionless-president/?comments=true#comments
Didn’t see anyone celebrating that Carter had passed much less to the levels that some have displayed on social media regarding Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
Check out dol, shrike, m4e and others here.
https://reason.com/2020/07/30/herman-cain-former-presidential-candidate-dies-from-coronavirus-complications/?comments=true#comments
Open Society’s best?
Funny that you post that comment thread. There were WAY more comments along the lines of "now it's time for the libs to demonstrate how insensitive they are by mocking a dead man!!!" than there were actual comments mocking him.
You’re calling out that commenters correctly predicted that libs posted horrible things about Cain right after he died?
I'm pointing out that the demand for mocking commentary far outstripped the supply.
People accurately predicted that team blue would mock Herman Cain just after he died, team blue did that, and you are taking exception not to the team blue commenters that mocked a man that just died but instead the people that correctly called that?
Want to place bets right now on conservatives dancing and cheering about Biden's eventual passing?
It ain't gonna happen.
I absolutely do think that you will see conservatives "celebrating" Biden's death, in exactly the same way that many of you label some people "celebrating" Kirk's death: not really celebrating, just pointing out many of the terrible policies that each man held.
In fact, I will confidently state that you all will go even further: when Biden does die, you will demand that not only should every person of good moral character denounce his terrible policies, but that FAILING to do so means attempting to whitewash his terrible legacy. You will bash the media for fawning tributes without ever once mentioning how he censored people online, how he bungled the Afghanistan exit, how he tried to get people fired for not taking the COVID vaccine, etc. You'll accuse anyone who doesn't think like you on the matter as being a "leftist" in league with America's enemies and out to destroy you.
Leftist [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] *is* an enemy of the USA (i.e. America's enemies).
I have have ZERO shame in realizing that because I'm a US Patriot not a Treasonous Traitor.
Approximately what percentage of Americans do you believe deserve the label "leftist", and why?
Democrats ... because Democrats support Socialism.
Why are you trying to make this harder than what it is?
Do you think Democrats are Nazis (National Socialists)?
Yes. That *is* exactly what they 'believe in'.
From Security for Socialists, Socialist Healthcare, Socialist Banking, Socialist Housing, Socialist Grocery Stores, Socialist Education, Socialist Basic Income, Socialist ?science? etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......
Where you under some impression that isn't what the left is all about?
Perhaps you need a refresher by reading the DNC platform.
Or a quick kick in the head to wake you up to reality.
So you believe half the country are Nazis. Which is the mirror image of what the left-wing radicals believe. Congratulations, you're a mirror image of the Nazis that you hate!
Few Democrats are actual socialists. Even the ones that claim to be aren't really socialists unless you change the definition of the term. Are you part of the Ministry of Truth?
LMAO... "the ones that claim to be aren't really socialists"
..and hell is just a suana. /s
TJ is proud of his ignorance. Especially on topics like economics, history, math and logic. He has made it clear that learning is leftist, because leftists control the places of learning. Therefore he refuses to learn anything, out of fear that knowledge will turn him into a leftist. He's a truly special case of retardation that I've never seen before. Any effort to cure him of his ignorance is a waste of time and effort. He considers it to be he greatest strength. So much so that he doesn't understand the reference, and never will.
"If you won't worship leftist BS-Indoctrination you won't ?LEARN?", sarc 'smarts' 101.
“not really celebrating, just pointing out many of the terrible policies that each man held.”
Yeah, that’s not what most people are doing.
Edit: and if anyone demands “ that not only should every person of good moral character denounce his terrible policies, but that FAILING to do so means attempting to whitewash his terrible legacy” it might be because he was in political power for 50 fucking years. Vs Charlie Kirk being a regular citizen so his policy preferences meant fuck all to the rest of us (just like policy preferences or your policy preferences).
But yeah, totes the same.
You've pushed the assasin was a groyper/maga for 5 days now. Any regrets you're a moron?
Correction: I've posted that the shooter's motives are, at this point in time, murky. He could be a left-wing radical, he could be a Groyper, he could be a gay militant, he could be just a disturbed guy seeking fame by taking bad advice from the darkest corners of the Internet. We really don't know.
You, on the other hand, assumed from the start that this was an attack orchestrated by The Left and haven't let any amount of evidence change your mind.
They aren't murky.
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1968021136811364746
We have transcripts released about his chats where he explains the exact reasons and motivations.
You, on the other hand, assumed from the start that this was an attack orchestrated by The Left and haven't let any amount of evidence change your mind.
What evidence, and what would convince you? Because it's VERY much not going your way.
https://notthebee.com/article/officials-detail-new-disturbing-messages-between-suspect-in-charlie-kirks-assassination-and-his-trans-lover
LOL, no one's going to give a shit or be surprised when Biden passes away. The guy is old as fuck and has clearly been in the throes of dementia for at least 5 years. The meanest thing that will be said about him is that he stayed way too long in politics and spent his entire time on office grafting just like every other politician that stays in for multiple decades, and that the Democratic Party committed blatant elder abuse by indulging his thirst to be President.
So, a participant at one of Kirk's events actually asked him: "When do we get to use the guns?" That is, when does Kirk think it is okay for conservatives to literally start shooting at the liberals that the participant thinks are oppressing him?
Kirk's answer here is interesting. He doesn't agree with the question, and he doesn't endorse using guns to shoot liberals. But his justification is NOT that he thinks it is morally wrong. He never invokes a moral or ethical reason against shooting liberals. Instead his response is about strategy and tactics. Kirk stated that it would be wrong to start shooting liberals because it would only provoke them to oppress harder. He said it would be wrong to start shooting liberals when there were other, peaceful avenues available to try to get their way.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/pushing-election-lies-tpusa-audience-member-asks-charlie-kirk-when-they-can-use-guns
So the implication here is clear: when the peaceful avenues are foreclosed, then according to his own logic, it's time to start shooting.
So I guess you can also put Kirk himself down as justifying political violence, at least in certain circumstances.
It is very telling that a man who supposedly had such a strong Christian faith never invoked God or the Bible to condemn shooting liberals.
So I guess you can also put Kirk himself down as justifying political violence, at least in certain circumstances.
No, what he said was, paraphrasing, if there are other, more peaceful means to oppose, then the violent path is wrong.
And seriously, Media Matters?
if there are other, more peaceful means to oppose, then the violent path is wrong.
That's what I said. So what if there AREN'T other, more peaceful means to oppose?
Also, isn't it interesting that his answer here is all about strategy and tactics, and he never states that it would be morally wrong to start shooting liberals?
Do you even KNOW what the NAP is?
Did Charlie Kirk give a response to that question based on the NAP?
Did he give one consistent with the NAP?
I'm talking about how Charlie Kirk defended his own position, not how some other person might have imagined he could have defended his position. He didn't invoke the NAP. He didn't invoke any moral argument at all. He didn't even invoke a libertarian argument. He didn't say "don't shoot them because it would violate their rights". His argument was purely based on strategy and tactics. There wasn't even a faith-based component to his argument, weird considering how big of a Christian he was (supposedly).
I've never heard the guy argue, but Antony Davies at Words and Numbers said good things about him. And I trust them a lot more than I trust you.
The thing is, the guy was out making dialog and confronting people with speech, trying to convince people that his position was either correct or at least reasonable. Which we need more of, whichever side of the argument you find yourself on for a particular topic.
He didn't commit any violence or advocate for it. I didn't follow him at all, but I was aware of him, and from what little I saw, he was not an 'Own the libs' guy - other than trying to prove them wrong, he wasn't actually trying to disparage or insult them, the vast majority of the time.
I would rather be proved (and convinced) that I was wrong about something, so that I stop being wrong about it, rather than ignorantly continuing to be blissfully or deliberately unaware.
I don't know who this Davies guy is, but it may be worth a look. I'm always up for reasonable contrary opinions.
He didn't really "debate". He punched down. He "won" debates against poorly informed C+ students at community colleges. Yay him! He wasn't really interested in dialogue for the sake of dialogue. He USED these performances to generate a "Free Speech Brand" about him. That's all it was, a "brand". Not a principled conviction.
So your defense is that the students debating him were intellectually stunted?
It's a bold move, Cotton, let's see how this plays out.
I'm still unclear how that justifies shooting him. It doesn't necessitate violence when you're outwitted in a political argument - for most people.
He didn't really "debate". He punched down. He "won" debates against poorly informed C+ students at community colleges.
LOL, holy shit, this is absolute nuclear level cope.
Hey jeff. Do you remember this comment?
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If the Right stopped spreading dangerous conspiracy theories, they would have no need to censor anyone.
Thats your full unedited comment by the way.
Funny how you don't provide a URL to this comment.
Do you believe that he made up the quote? Doesn't have a link?
You seem to be flailing.
If he made it up and it's not real, I promise that I'll be the first person to call him out. If it's a real quote, what will you do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVzAk4kcFCQ
A NAP is what he takes after fourth breakfast.
His job here is to convince ignorant morons like sarc here that the NAP means to bow down to the left and never fight back.
Doesn't sound like Sarc is buying it.
Holy hell, you're citing Media Matters and attacking Kirk about what a person at his event asked?
Are you THAT devoid of sense?
Remember how jeff always claims he only uses valid and trustworthy sources? Never left wing.
One of your allies on Piers Morgan said every conservative should fear being shot for speaking out. Discuss.
Why are they quoting a Texas DOT worker? That one guy was painting an overpass recently. Almost sure of this.
Man, I thought Ted Cruz was literally worse than... literally worse than... I don't remember where he fit into the spectrum, w/Donald Trump at #1 and Elon Musk at the bottom, right below Josh Hawley. Doesn't seem worse than Elon Musk, maybe not worse than Josh Hawley, seems like he might be a close tie with Ron DeSantis.
Charlie Kirk's murder broke the Maryland Dad of commenters, that is all. G'night folks, gonna eat dinner and not think about assassins and dead refugees from Ukraine.