The Standard for 'Vicious' Speech Trump Laid Out After Kirk's Murder Would Implicate Trump Himself
Freedom of speech cannot reliably protect conservatives unless it also protects people they despise.
In a video released on Wednesday night, President Donald Trump said "radical left" rhetoric "is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today," including this week's assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk at a college in Utah, and "it must stop right now." Trump vowed that "my administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country."
Trump also expressed devotion to "the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died," including "free speech." Yet that value seems inconsistent with Trump's claim that hateful rhetoric "directly" causes violence and his promise to "find" anyone who "contribute[s]" to that problem, apparently including "radical left" people who make inflammatory statements about their political opponents. As Trump put it on Fox News this morning, "The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy."
The solution that Trump is contemplating seems to go beyond urging self-restraint. The Trump administration is developing a "comprehensive plan on violence in America," including "ways that you can address" what "can only be called hate groups," which "may breed this kind of behavior," White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles said on Thursday. "It will not be easy. There's layer upon layer upon layer, and some of this hate-filled rhetoric is multigenerational, but you've got to start somewhere."
Like Trump, Wiles noted "the importance of free speech." But it is impossible to reconcile that principle with any government plan that entails targeting "hate groups" because they are "vicious" and "horrible" or because they engage in "hate-filled rhetoric."
What sort of rhetoric does Trump have in mind? "It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree," he said in the video. "Day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible for years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals."
Such rhetoric is indeed "hateful" and "despicable," but it is also constitutionally protected. It is hard to imagine how the government, consistent with the First Amendment, could try to suppress the speech that Wiles says "may breed" political violence.
This is not to say there is no connection between the sort of demonization that Trump describes and appalling crimes such as Kirk's murder. Spencer Cox, Utah's Republican governor, says Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old man police have identified as Kirk's killer, inscribed his rifle cartridges with messages such as "Hey fascist! Catch!" But while demonization may be a necessary condition for such violence, it is obviously not sufficient. If it were, we would see a lot more political murders.
First Amendment law recognizes that distinction between words and actions. Hyperbolic analogies like the ones that Trump cited clearly fall into the former category. And under the test established by the Supreme Court's 1969 ruling in Brandenburg v. Ohio, even advocacy of illegal conduct is protected by the First Amendment unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to have that effect. Comparing your political opponents to Nazis, however "hateful" and "despicable" that may be, plainly does not meet that test.
Trump himself has relied on the Brandenburg test in arguing that he should not be held civilly liable for his role in provoking the 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol. He insisted that he did not intend to cause a riot, noting that he never explicitly advocated anything more extreme than peaceful protest. Yet his pre-riot speech, which was full of invective against the "radical-left Democrats" who supposedly had rigged an election and dark warnings about what would happen if an alleged usurper were allowed to take office, easily meets the standard that Trump applies when he says anti-conservative rhetoric is "directly responsible" for "terrorism."
So does the demonizing rhetoric that Trump routinely deploys against people who irk him. As he tells it, his political opponents are not merely wrong. They are "sick, sinister, and evil people" who are "trying to destroy our country" because they "hate our country." They are "communists," "Marxists," "fascists," "radical left lunatics," "sick people," and "vermin." They are "the enemy from within."
Although Trump condemns "those who go after our judges," he reflexively tars judges who rule against him as corrupt actors who deserve to be impeached because they are perverting the law in service of an extreme ideological agenda. When a judge disagrees with Trump about statutory or constitutional interpretation, according to the president, he must be a "Radical Left Lunatic of a Judge, a troublemaker and agitator" bent on obstructing Trump's agenda for political reasons.
One could plausibly argue that such rhetoric fosters attitudes that, at their most extreme, encourage violence against politicians and judges. But that would not make Trump "directly responsible" for such crimes. The only person "directly responsible" for political violence is the person who decides to commit it—a point that even the Brandenburg test obscures by gliding over the moral autonomy of listeners who choose to engage in "lawless action."
The point is not that Trump is a hypocrite, although he clearly is. The point is that the freedom of speech he claims to value cannot protect him unless it also protects people he despises.
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don't be a pedantic douche people are raw right now.
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Best plain text chat room on the interweb.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
We all know your favorite place to chat is on your local NAMBLA boards. Which is also where you arrange to trade your child rape videos.
I'm also thankful for this forum. It is one of the few places that isn't 100% dominated by one tribe or another.
And that just chaps your ass, you fifty-centing politruk.
You're all "all-voices" until the second you think the DNC voice is 50+1 and then it's bullets to the neck again for those who dare disagree.
you know - I confess when i saw the comment ostensibly from 'shrike' i read the comment first and 100% agreed. and the one from chemjeff was also 'on' but would have benefited from a nuance more focused on ideas rather than tribes. Tribal arguments are a valid starting point for some arguments.
It is the open text chatroom aspect that allows not just tribal ideas but ALL ideas and unsparing lenses on the writers and the commenters that I have oft times mentioned that I appreciate here. I know these two have earned your derision in the past but the actual comments were not out of line.
To chemjeff I'd just say - - maybe there is a reason the last line of Mother's comment is "You're all "all-voices" until the second you think the DNC voice is 50+1 and then it's bullets to the neck again for those who dare disagree." And I know that could spawn a devolving augment about who went there first. I really dont care about that.
I truly love the disagreements here for their ability to bring out underlying arguments rather than just invective. Sometimes the invective is entertaining [ 😉 ] and cathartic, mind you. Maybe if everyone wasn't so almighty triggered by each other the tone could settle down just a bit. I wouldn't want to lose ALL the bile but perhaps give the outrage gland a break once in a while.
Sadly, Trump cups the balls and swallows the gravy of genocidal Zionist Israelis and pedophiles.
Way to tone down the rhetoric…wow!
Stop samefagging your own posts.
Sam, in the face of genocide you want ME to tone down the rhetoric?
I can't disagree with that.
FFS, there is no evil Jewish plot. And if there was, there are less than twenty million Jews worldwide. Os it’s not like they could take over of they wanted to.
Maybe you should focus you concern on the two BILLION Muslims, and the hundreds of millions of them who are either involved in international terror, or support it.
But no, Mel Brooks is the problem, right?
Mister/Missus Scrotum, It’s not a “Jewish plot.” It is an effort being conducted by genocidal Zionist pedos to hijack the Jewish people/faith and Israel and create a “Greater Israel” wherein they may perpetuate an evil Zionist empire. Fuck em! It won’t happen if THIS JEW has any say!
Were you born a Nazi shitbag, or did you study long and hard to become one, asswipe?
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Hey Scumby... You scapegoat-Raping-Hellfugee peace-and-prosperity-murderer...
Scumby is PROUD of being ignorant!!!! Twat an UDDER Slurprise, that Scumby Slurpports ignorance, and then BRAGS about shit!
Don't ALL of Ye PervFectly KOOL Kids want to be JUST LIKE Scumby? And think that Ye are ALSO PervFected HEROES, when Ye PervFectly dogpile the people who do SNOT brag about their ignorance?
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turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
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The award goes to Chumby for predicting Sullum would blame Trump. Half points because there was no mention of tariffs.
Giving Chumby an award for predicting Sullum would blame Trump, is like awarding someone for predicting that the sun will rise.
If Sullum didn't blame Trump, I'd worry that the world was ending.
Speaking of predictable things……..
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
Big surprise, right?
Does sexual deviancy cause leftism, or is it the other way around?
The left, and currently the democrat party, is attractive to deviants because no matter how weird, sick or malignant the deviancy may be, they will always find a home there.
For example, the democrats are incrementally becoming openly accepting of pedophiles, and have begun to make accommodations for them, and it will go downhill from there.
Other way around. Leftism (at least in its currently morally unanchored form... its 'anchored' in social-pseudoscience) creates the nurturing environment for deviancy.
Which leads one to believe he was a closeted gay guy that was self loathing, since at least one of his casings denigrated gay people.
That's a bizarre choice for a guy that willing chose to live with a guy that thinks they are a Japanese girl.
The United States has been fostering cultural narcissism, and it wouldn't surprise me if this guy thought he was just pulling off the ultimate troll. I imagine a few years in prison before being executed may make him realize the severity of his retardation, but it just drives home the point that being always online makes you an idiot.
So much for the grand theory that the internet would be a great unifier. It's done the exact opposite of that.
I’m not sure how closeted he was, but he is definitely a sick piece of shit.
If Trump wanted to be true to Kirk's free speech stance, he wouldn't threaten visa holders for mocking Kirk or revoke green cards for speaking in support of Palestinians.
Shrike doesn't think foreigners should be held to the requirements of contracts they willingly signed. They are just better people.
More undocumented boys in the nation means more potential outlets for his surges of urges.
If I told you that in 1952, a permanent resident alien was deported for past membership in the Communist Party, would you believe me?
You beat me to it. Shrike supports open borders because Soros promised him the flesh of little brown boys in return. Shrike is like a child raping Renfield to Soros’ Dracula.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Again, in 2012 Biden said Mitt Romney would put black people back in chains. The heated rhetoric did not start with Trump. The idea that it was OK to "punch a Nazi", with the progs deciding who qualifies as a Nazi. The Left has been advocating, using and celebrating political violence for decades now while seeking to stifle the speech of their opposition. They still advocate for it where they still hold power in the blue states, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Calling someone "far right" is reason for them to be deplatformed and debanked, without any further explanation.
Trump is an aspect of the reaction to all this.
Trump is an aspect of the reactionary pro-political-violence stance!
"Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"!
Twat a SHINING Example to us peons!!!
Who siad, "Hang Mike Pence"?
Also, no word about the DC pipe bomber?
Trump said shit! Documented on captured audio no less!
Oh, so THAT is why sore-in-the-cunt cunt-sore-va-turds shout down “wrong” ideas, and go all ape-shit-Trumpanzee at pro-mobocracy, anti-democracy “mostly peaceful” Demonstrations, hissy fits, and violent temper tantrums?
And then they blame the Demon-Craps!!!
https://www.umass.edu/news/article/republicans-blame-democrats-antifa-and-us
REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS, ANTIFA AND U.S. CAPITOL POLICE FOR JAN. 6 MAYHEM, ACCORDING TO NEW UMASS AMHERST/WCVB POLL
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
Trump says execute General Milley… https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/milley-donald-trump-execution-comment/index.html
Milley says Trump disrespected US military with execution comment
Was this, too, all made-up bullshit from the FBI and the Lizard People, perhaps?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/25/trump-hang-mike-pence-chant-jan-6
With photo of a makeshift gallows set up by Trumpanzees gone apeshit! All are the works of the Lizard People?
DC pipe bomber? OJ Simpson? Twatabout the Twatabouts? Did YOU personally shout about the Twatabouts?
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Twatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
The Left has been advocating, using and celebrating political violence for decades now
I agree that there are *some* elements on the left that have been "advocating, using and celebrating political violence" for a while. Do you agree that there are *some* elements on the right that have also been "advocating, using and celebrating political violence" at least in recent years?
No
I cannot say that absolutely does not not exist on the Right, but it is not in any way to the same extent. What has been seen in Left leaning media and social platforms over the past couple of days proves that.
I disagree. Every single day in these forums there are commenters demanding the deaths of progressives. And that was before Charlie Kirk's murder. It is the right that has discussed civil war for years and years now.
I think your social platforms are designed to give you the news that you want to see. They are engineered to deliver you stories about liberals behaving badly no matter how out-of-mainstream those stories are. And it is the same for everyone.
The Right has not joyously discussed civil war. We do not have any desire for it, but do not see an off-ramp.
Noting it is likely coming is not hoping it does.
I am trying to think of a murder of a leftist where conservatives applauded or cheered it on.
https://newrepublic.com/article/200410/trump-issued-unnerving-threat-liberals
From there (below), plenty more there, Trump is Slurping Shit Right Up from ALL of His Slurpporters, to blame ALL of this shit on... The evil libs!!! Twat else do ye expect from Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the peons?
“I couldn’t care less” about radicals on the right, Trump explicitly said, declaring straight out that right-wing extremism is justified as a response to the alleged extremism of the left.
That is likely to be received as a clear message by radical right-wing forces across the country. Kirk’s assassination has triggered many on the right to call for full-scale violent civil conflict. “Charlie tried to have conversations with you on the left, and you killed him for it,” seethed influencer Matt Walsh, calling on the right to “fight back” in response. Libs of TikTok screamed: “THIS IS WAR.”
Also...
Put another way: No amount of reasoning about who actually has waged political violence and who has not—or about who has actually been victimized and who has not—can make headway against that push. The entire point of it is to fake-justify the targeting of innocents.
Trump’s wording in this prewritten speech is deliberate: He says his administration will target everyone it can find who contributed to the assassination of Kirk. The clear message is that anyone who can be blamed for Kirk’s death even speciously and pretextually is now subject to retribution by the full force of the government and Trump’s security services. Note that this includes liberal-left “organizations” as well.
It shouldn’t escape notice that Stephen Miller recently called the entire Democratic Party a “domestic extremist organization,” or that Miller is a close ally of FBI Director Kash Patel. One imagines that Miller is whispering in Trump’s ear that Kirk’s assassination frees him to defy the courts with abandon and is conspiring with Patel to draw up plans for going after “domestic extremist” Democrats in what could look like a revival of the FBI domestic political spying of the 1960s.
From same source as listed above:
Pape says Trump’s statement on Fox represents something new. “There’s never been a president in our lifetimes who has excused political violence on his own side,” Pape notes, adding that Trump should instead “restrain extremist responses to the assassination of Kirk.”
Unfortunately, that’s not what Trump is doing at all. At a time when some of his most prominent supporters are calling for open season on liberals and the left, he’s functionally saying: Go for it. The MAGA-captured American state has your back. We’re behind you all the way.
SQRLSY says... THIS Shit from Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the peons, is pure Evil-One-Worshit, and leads to HELL; snot Heaven in ANY way! This for a Pervfected One who could SNOT fight in Vietnam, because of (?) boner splints in His feet? Or His Pervfected addiction to Queen Spermy Daniels? I can't keep shit all straight, in the defaced face of ALL of this crookedness!
The difference is that any such demands are in response to the endless murders and rapes you people commit. You are the problem Pedo Jeffy, not us.
I know exactly zero white supremacists, and I'm from south Texas and know a whole bunch of red necks. If any of them are racists, they surely aren't outspoken about it at all.
I know a whole lot of rich racist white progressives from my time in Dallas, and they proudly tell you all about how racist they are.
The thing people need to understand about actual racists is that they usually don't think they are racist, nor are they shy about their views, they are just 'telling it like it is'.
Only retribution.
The left has been squawking about oppressed people and saying it justifies any and all behavior. All the while, the left was oppressing/vilifying conservatives, as Mickey truthfully stated.
So it's okay when Gazans murder oppressors but oppressed/vilified conservatives should just sit down and shut up? You don't get it both ways.
More victimhood complex.
I don't think conservatives *as a group* are "oppressed" in any meaningful way in this country. Certainly not to the extent that Palestinians are oppressed in Gaza.
Every single example that I have seen of "conservative oppression", has either been wildly exaggerated, or ordinary treatment in which conservatives as a group were not treated especially poorly.
The examples that I have seen include:
1. "Online censorship pertaining to COVID and vaccines" - however wrong that censorship was, it was not directed *at conservatives* but at specific people spreading those particular viewpoints. It was not directed against conservatives spreading conservative opinions broadly.
2. "Treatment of Jan. 6 prisoners" - again they were treated the same as other prisoners who were similarly situated. One can argue that none of them should have been treated that way, and I would tend to agree. But the Jan. 6 prisoners were not specifically targeted.
3. "Targeting of school board protesters" - again if you look at what ACTUALLY happened, not all of the hysteria, the FBI conducted a grand total of 3 interviews as a result, one of which had nothing to do with protesting parents, no one was even investigated let alone charged or jailed, and the entire matter was dropped. If this is "oppression" then it is the lamest example of oppression ever existing.
Do you have others that you wish to share?
You don't accept that conservatives have been oppressed. The shit you posted is Lying Jeffy propaganda. You are deflecting and making excuses.
And you ignored EVERYTHING Mickey said. More deflection.
Again, in 2012 Biden said Mitt Romney would put black people back in chains. The heated rhetoric did not start with Trump. The idea that it was OK to "punch a Nazi", with the progs deciding who qualifies as a Nazi. The Left has been advocating, using and celebrating political violence for decades now while seeking to stifle the speech of their opposition. They still advocate for it where they still hold power in the blue states, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Calling someone "far right" is reason for them to be deplatformed and debanked, without any further explanation.
You don't accept that conservatives have been oppressed.
I gave you three examples that have been commonly cited around here of so-called "conservative oppression" and I showed how those claims were false.
I don't consider speech alone to be a type of oppression. Do you? Is speech violence now?
Can you give me one specific example where you believe conservatives *as a group* were oppressed *for their conservative beliefs*?
Calling someone "far right" is reason for them to be deplatformed and debanked, without any further explanation.
What happens in Canada and the UK is not relevant in the current discussion. Do you have an example of a conservative who was deplatformed and debanked SOLELY because that conservative was called "far right", "without any further explanation"?
You are the source of all the violence and strife we experience in the US Jeffy. Then you come here and spew leftist propaganda just like Molotov, or Goebbels. You at of them.
Your Marxist messiah Obama debanked my nephew because he owned a hydroponics store. Or have you memory holed Operation Chokepoint?
You’re such a lying shitweasel.
Palestinians are oppressed in Gaza BY HAMAS, unable to leave or move freely, used as human shields, prevented from obtaining food, etc.
Their lives would be infinitely better without Hamas.
Truth never mattered to obese socialists.
Oh but let's talk about "vilifying" conservatives. I would suggest, try getting thicker skin. Yeah there are lots of people who don't like conservatives and think that they are bad people. So what? There are lots of conservatives who don't like liberals and think they are bad people too.
If your position is "I don't think anyone should be vilified for their beliefs", then fine that is a completely defensible position. But you seem to be saying "I don't think *MY TEAM* should be vilified for *OUR* beliefs" while tacitly or overtly approving of vilification of the other team. That's not really defensible.
I would suggest, try getting thicker skin.
Thicker skin doesn't stop leftists' bullets. Kirk is the latest example.
Thicker fingers also doesn't stop jeff from throwing tons of food down his throat.
The several hundred tons of Ben & Jerry’s he’s consumed are proof of that.
Thicker skin does not help where the Left says Conservatives do not deserve tge benefits of civil society and should have no say in it.
“You get used to it “.
Ah, yes, QB's version of 'lie back and think of England'.
Are leftists supposed to develop thicker skin when individuals in these forums suggest progressives should just kill themselves, or that they should be arrested en masse and declared a terrorist organization?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
We had to when the VICE-PRESIDENT accused a milquetoast Republican of trying to reinstitute slavery or that he killed a woman with cancer.
“Are leftists supposed to develop thicker skin when individuals in these forums suggest progressives should just kill themselves,”
Yes, because that is speech for the individual to take individual action.
“or that they should be arrested en masse and declared a terrorist organization?”
Antifa is definitely a terrorist organization. They literally “use or threaten violence to create widespread fear and achieve political, religious, or ideological goals” as is amply demonstrated in hundreds of videos around the internet. However, I would argue that they should only be arrested if they engage in such acts.
They should be designated a terror organization. Just like Hamas.
You support very pro groomer and pro pedophile position. You should kill yourself.
the Left says Conservatives do not deserve tge benefits of civil society and should have no say in it.
Do you mean that liberals advocate for conservative politicians to be defeated? Gee, that's a shocker. Is it your claim that it is a type of oppression for liberals to advocate against the election of conservative politicians?
Do you mean that liberal advocacy for different cultural values than conservatives tend to hold is a type of oppression? This implies that it is somehow wrong for other people to believe something that conservatives don't believe. Is that what you think?
And before you bring up "they tried to kick Trump off the ballot" - yes, but that was because of his specific actions on Jan. 6, not because he was a Republican generally.
He made no actions on 1/6. He gave a speech. A less hostile speech, mind you, than Biden's ode to Nuremberg during his Presidency.
damikesc, if you merely compare speeches, you're missing the point. You might try reading the SCOTUS decision Brandenburg v. Ohio. Speech can (and should) be punished when it "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." That fits Trump's heavy hand (including on Jan. 6) like a glove.
For that matter, regarding summary political executions, it is well worth noting that Trump set a terrible example just a week before last week's summary execution. If any good comes from the summary execution (without due process of law) of Charlie Kirk it might be the reminder of the reason we all should oppose summary executions, summary imprisonment and other summary punishments.
Trump and Hegseth recently publicly admitted that they summarily executed 11 people on a boat off the coast of Venezuela recently. We still don't know any such person's identity, citizenship or reason for being on that boat. Those people obviously were murdered by Trump and Hegseth for obviously political reasons. And Trump, Hegseth and Rubio publicly insisted we all should accept such murders as acceptable.
In a fairly famous SCOTUS decision, Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966), SCOTUS stated a warning about how and why crime is contagious. The Miranda opinion quoted the wise and great Justice Brandeis (joined by the wise and great Justice Holmes) dissenting in Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438 (1928)). This warning was first offered just before SCOTUS (finally) started enforcing our First Amendment rights almost 100 years ago.
"Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."
Except he did not incite a damned thing.
Democrat gives the identical speech, verbatim, and the exact same thing happened --- you'd not be saying the same.
And, not going to mourn the death of drug runners. Sorry, not sorry.
We all know you’re not that obtuse. Stop play acting like you don’t know what he was actually referring to.
We only have the truth. MAPedo Jeffy only has his lies.
Thicker skin? You democrats ASSASSINATED Charlie Kirk. You shoot up Catholic schools, firebomb federal buildings, assault and rider federal officers just tying to uphold decades old laws, amd so much more.
Why should we allow you to live among us? You’re an existential threat. Therefore you have no right to exist. Nor does any Marxist.
Blaming a whole political party for the crimes you indicated tells the rest of us you need to be incarcerated for a VERY LONG time in either a prison or a mental hospital Mr/Ms Scrotum, you genocidal Zionist pedo sick fucker.
Fuck off with both sides shit Jeff. The left spent all summer of 2020 burning the country down, two failed failed assassination attempts on Trump, years of lawfare, and now the murder of a political commentator.
And of course, years and years of violent rhetoric, labeling of fascist and Hitler, calls for assassination, and the worst that the right has done was a riot on J6. A riot that was blown well and truly out of proportions with the only people who died being the "rioters". So no and fuck off.
Trump reacting live when hearing of Ginsburg’s death:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EGzo-sAnevk&pp=
juxtapose that with AOC's reaction or msnbc commentator reactions to Charlie Kirk assassination. But mean tweets, right?
Do you really believe that our society treats both sides the same?
If you are someone who spews actual right wing hatred you are not accepted outside of your neo-Nazi circle.
If a teacher made posts ghoulishly cheering on the assassination of AOC or Mamdani with comments like "1 commie down" would they continue to teach children?
Do you think if a music artist made a song about killing sex change surgeons or abortion doctors like some have made songs about killing cops that it would be accepted?
I don't believe that taking legal action that restricts the first amendment is the right answer, but "what about the right" is a false equivalence. The right has societal checks in place. They need to be here for the left too.
Got it. You’re an extreme far left dell rat that wants no restrictions on extre far left democrat criminal activity.
And for the record, fascism and nazis are far left, not far right.
Sullum couldn't even wait 2 days to start attacking trump for the assassination.
A chaff and redirect away from Welch’s tweet.
They should understand that no one will let that go.
We've been talking about the killers motives for a couple days now. I'm less concerned about Robinson than I am about the leftist cheering and celebrating. Those are the motives that concern me. They want conservatives dead. They say it with a smile and the media covers for them.
Who radicalized the right? It wasn't Trump, it is self-preservation from the left.
"Who radicalized the right? It wasn't Trump, it is self-preservation from the left."
Trump? Ya kiddin' me fer Chrissakes!?!? "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"! Own shit, right-wingers!
"self-preservation from the left" radicalized the (Far) right? The left preserving and protecting itself, self defense, is now objectionable to the FAR right, for some treason? Your writing is scum-stained and incumprehensible!
Is the left allowed to defend itself any more or any less than the right is allowed to defend itself, in twat way(s), and why? Did anyone ever try to teach you how to write clearly?
When did Trump say, "Hang Mike Pence"?
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
More detailed response of mine (where this came from) elsewhere here in these cumments right here...
Probably on the toilet, once in a while...
And when did kamala harris say anyone should shoot Charlie Kirk?
It’s hard to say, given her incoherent babbling and word salad.
Michael, the issue isn't merely what Trump actually said. The issue is as much what Trump would not say. He ignored repeated requests that he instruct his supporters to stop what they were doing on Jan. 6. Federal law required Trump to say something to such effect, but Trump just would not do it.
Now, Trump gleefully sends U.S. Armed Forces or National Guard into American cities, but on January 6 he would not do so even though that was his duty under federal law and the U.S. Constitution. See 10 U.S.C. § 253:
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it . . .
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
See also 10 U.S.C. § 254:
Whenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.
"Michael, the issue isn't merely what Trump actually said. The issue is as much what Trump would not say. He ignored repeated requests that he instruct his supporters to stop what they were doing on Jan. 6. Federal law required Trump to say something to such effect, but Trump just would not do it."
He didn't incite anything and he is under zero obligation to ask anybody to do or not do anything. He recommended and offered bringing in the National Guard and was turned down (one of the many reasons why he did not wait for requests this time). He did his part.
classy jazzy crock-o-@#$$@
for some reason the link is very slow... here's the headline:
WATCH: Trashy Rep. Jasmine Crockett Says She’s Not ‘Necessarily’ Encouraging Her Supporters to Hurt Republicans in Wake of Charlie Kirk Assassination, White House Responds | The Gateway Pundit
Well, Sullum is a slimy pile of TDS-addled shit who needs to fuck off and die.
Implicate Trump? Unpossible.
Fatass Donnie has immunity. SCOTUS ruled he is above the law.
Unlike a real democracy like Brazil where Donald J Bolsanaro got 27 years for orchestrating his coup.
Have you purchased your ticket?
If I need to I’ll just gift Donnie a gold-plated buttplug to buy into the club.
turd, the shit-stain of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Bullshit. We all know that any disposable cash you have goes into kiddie porn.
I for one would dearly LOVE to purchase tickets to see the sentencing of Dear InsurrectionShit Leader (Bleeder of the peons), to 27 years for orchestrating His Pervfected, Mind-Infected, Butt-Fortunately-Deflected, coup! Sign me up!!!
(More honestly, I would rather just see Him being punished by people WISING UP, and SNOT Slurpporting His PervFected Shit, ANY longer! No other punishment is really warranted, yet. Unlike SHITLOADS of assholes that I know, I am SNOT addicted to excessive, severe punishments!)
When was there a coup?
If I shoot 1,000 bullets at Michael Ejercito, and all of the bullets MISS Michael Ejercito, swill Michael Ejercito then simply say, "OK then, no harm, no foul"? All should then be forgiven, right, right-wing nutter-butter?
You failed to answer the question.
There was no coup, You PervFected Nit-Picking Twat-Twit-Shit! There was an ATTEMPTED coup, which FAILED!
That shit doesn't bother authorShitarian Assholes, though, DOES shit? So long ass the coup-attempters are of the RIGHT Tribe, Right?
1963.
A coup or not a coup is not the standard under our law and our Constitution. See, e.g., 10 U.S.C. §§ 253, 254, above. The president's first, foremost and constant duty was (on Jan. 6) and is to "preserve, protect and defend [our] Constitution" to "the best of [his] Ability." Trump, himself, has acknowledged that duty at least twice (by expressly stating the oath of office in Article II) each time he was inaugurated.
Trump violated his oath by inciting his supporters to interfere on Jan. 6 with the count of ballots at the Capitol by the VP (the President of the Senate) and the House Speaker on Jan. 6. Trump did so by calling on his supporters to "march on the Capitol" and "fight like hell" to "Stop the Steal!"
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
Proven lies. You should GTFO now.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You remain the dumbest motherfucker to post here, shrike.
Amd an even bigger pedo than Jeffy.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Trump stated that George Soros and his entire network of NGOs in the USA will be subjected to a federal investigation under the RICO law. This law was enacted under Nixon in 1970 and is aimed at combating organized crime (the mafia) and corrupt officials connected to it. Essentially, Trump equated Soros's entire network to a huge criminal organization. Kirk's murder gives him certain opportunities to act more decisively against his enemies.
- Slava Z
‘Bout time.
No shit.
Trump also needs to have antifa and other violent Democrat down line groups as terror organizations.
Time to start tightening the noose on democrat terrorism.
There's a pretty clear comparison to be made between the left's responsibility for this event and the right's responsibility for the Oklahoma City bombing. In the Oklahoma City bombing critics asserted the right's general anti-government rhetoric caused McVeigh to become unhinged and led to the bombing.
Why are these same people claiming linking this assassination (and that of the NFL office killer, and the Healthcare CEO) to demonizing rhetoric on the left is illegitimate? If anything there is a stronger link in the current events.
I don't remember the right celebrating the Oklahoma City bombing. I do remember the silence on the left when Clinton signed off on the burning of women and children alive at Waco for purported illegal gun possession.
I don't remember the right celebrating the Oklahoma City bombing.
True. That's one tell the link in that event is less strong. In fact the right's revulsion to OKC destroyed the militia movement which went from millions of members to a few tens of thousands virtually overnight. That's similar to the left/right difference between the BLM riots and J6. After the first BLM riot more leftists joined the following riots. After J6 the already planned protests at state capitals had literally zero participation. That shows us the left understood rioting as a continued plan and the right understood rioting as a horrifying mistake.
It’s 2025…how old are you??? WTF??
McVeigh’s bombing of the federal building had less to do with anti-government rhetoric than with what he saw as the gross injustice at Waco, courtesy of the Reno-backed feds.
The OK bombing was his retribution, much as it reflects his exaggerated sense of justice. He even timed the bombing on the second anniversary of Waco.
But it was the slaughter of some 80 Branch Davidians, including @30 kids, by ATF and the FBI that fueled his actions.
Not rhetoric.
80 people burned to death. Americans. By a Democrat administration. I don't know how you rhetoric that away.
You ignore facts and reality and substitute your own.
Yep, as opposed to Tyler having his feelings hurt-oh, wait, triggered-by Kirk’s micro-aggressions.
If Trump is serious about punishing those whose social media communications threaten the American way of life he can start by rounding up most regular commenters on Reason. Your fake identifiers won't save you, although the First Amendment might.
The most hilarious part about the retardation of this statement is that this has been tried once before, except it wasn't Trump, plenty of the 'most regular commenters on Reason' were here, and that the 1A didn't effectively defend the commenters.
It is interesting though, that you have to hide behind Trump to say out loud that you don't necessarily think the 1A should protect us.
Democrats did it first blah blah blah
Democrats are the only ones assassinating people, fire bombing federal buildings, attacking federal officers, and aiding abetting violent criminal illegals.
Crooks was a bitter clinger MAGA Republican—a true DEPLORABLE!!
False
Thanks for responding for me, the shit. eating squirrel is one of two commenters I block. Saves a lot of scrolling.
Trump celebrated the murder of culture war opponents?
"Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"! Own shit, snot-so-bright right-wingers!
What do those have to do with Trump?
Trump said those things!!! Ass an advocate for political violence, He presents a TERRIBLE, even evil, examples for us peons!
When did he say those things?
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
Trump says execute General Milley… https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/milley-donald-trump-execution-comment/index.html
Milley says Trump disrespected US military with execution comment
Was this, too, all made-up bullshit from the FBI and the Lizard People, perhaps?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/25/trump-hang-mike-pence-chant-jan-6
With photo of a makeshift gallows set up by Trumpanzees gone apeshit! All are the works of the Lizard People?
So he didn’t actually say either of those phrases.
Great job sport.
"I Slurpport My Slurpporters who Slurpported 'Hang Mike Pence'", then, PervFected Nit-Picker.
Twat difference does THIS nit-picking shit make? The SEVERELY CRAPPY pro-political-violence footsie-games remain an EVIL influence on us peons! We should erect better LeaderShit!!!
If you’re going to say someone said something, in quotation marks, it helps if you quote their actual words and not the words you wanted them to say.
Also, I’ll note that even if he had said exactly what you accused him of, both of those men are still very much alive. So you failed to answer the initial question: When did Trump celebrate the murder of a culture war opponent? And of course the answer is never.
Trump used a shitload of hardly-ever-ending blather to essentially Slurpport and AGREE with His Pervfected (Mind-Infected) Worshitters WHO CHANTED LOUDLY, "Hang Mike Pence", and even put up make-shit gallows for doing so!
Do YOU PervFectly DENY that, and if so, WHY?
WHY, Satan Claus, WHY? (To semi-quote Little Cindy Lou Who, Who was No More Than Two.) The rest is... Shit-picking!
PS, Dear Orange Leader (Bleeder of the peons) just days ago, snot only celebrated the murder of "culture war opponents" (11 of them to be precise), but actually and factually CUMMANDED those murders, in international waters near Venezuela, for the supposed "crime" of driving a speed-boat! While said peaceful travelers were trying to flee back to Venezuelan waters! THIS WAS A WAR CRIME, according to most war-related lawyers in the USA today! NO attempt was made to gather data, let alone arrest these non-threatening sea-farers! Just a summary execution based on unverified assumptions!
"Trump said those things!!!"
Well there's a giant fucking lie. Trump absolutely did not say "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley".
Nor did his political allies as the whole "Hang Mike Pence" thing was another giant fucking lie from your party, and it was Milley himself who told everyone he committed treason. Not Trump.
And I know that you know this, as I linked you to the video and Milley's book several times now. So the only reason I can think that you're lying like this is because you want to work up your compatriots into killing more people.
Seems like the glowies here need to subpoena Reason again and have a talk with him.
Your PervFected lies remain lies no matter HOW often You PervFectly re-slut them, Ye PervFected Servant, Serpent, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One!
"I Slurpport My Slurpporters who Slurpported 'Hang Mike Pence'", then, PervFected Nit-Picker.
Twat difference does THIS nit-picking shit make? The SEVERELY CRAPPY pro-political-violence footsie-games remain an EVIL influence on us peons! We should erect better LeaderShit!!!
(Butt of course, PervFected YOU Slurpports the EVIL violence-lusters, so long ass they are evil for the RIGHT Tribe! Twat a PervFect Slurprise!!!)
If Trump thinks the left is "politically savvy" than he is dumber then ever.
See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/trump-fox-friends-charlie-kirk-shooting as a worthy read...
In Friday’s comments, he threatened the philanthropist George Soros with a Rico investigation of the sort normally reserved for organised crime. He accused Soros of funding “professional agitators” who were engaging in “more than protest, this is real agitation, this is riots on the streets”.
In an Oval Office address delivered hours after Kirk was pronounced dead, Trump made menacing remarks indicating he would seek revenge against “organizations that fund and support” political violence. He laid blame for the current plight entirely on what he called the “radical left”.
MG thinks having a second brain cell might be dangerous.
Fuck off and die, asswipe
I’m sick to my stomach that Crooks and Mangione and Kohberger and Robinson are all MAGA murderers! We need to do a better job of keeping MAGA in line and I’m going to lead by example!! I’m 100% MAGA but I’m going to start voting Democrat and I’m going to melt down my guns and knives and I’m going to convert to Islam and I’m even going to date a trans woman!! Let’s do better, brother! #MAGA!
Old “New Thang” MAGA make way for the NEW New Thang!!! MAGA meet MANGABA, Making Almighty NEW Government Almighty Bigger Again!!! All Hail MANGABA!!!
(Shit will also stimulate the economy by giving regulators, judges, and lawyers LOTS of NEW shit to fight about!!!)
AKA MANGEE… Making Almighty NEW Government Expensive and Expansive!!!
As a proud MAGA American I promise to do outreach to the trans community by dating one…but as a good Christian I am waiting until marriage! Why buy the bull when you can get the semen for free???
I do SNOT buy the bull, Sir!!! Sam-I-Am, I do SNOT like to eat PervFected and Mind-Infected Orange Eggs and Spam! I do snot like them here or there, I do snot like them... Anywhere!
(Rocky Mountain Oysters, I have tried twice... Once OK, once under-cooked. Trying or buying the bull, I cuntsider to be WAAAAAY the Hell under-cooked and over-crooked!)
I see those two feral retards are gibbering at each other.
Such rhetoric is indeed "hateful" and "despicable," but it is also constitutionally protected.
And we're done letting you weaponize our virtues against us.
Carve out your hole, Jacob. I can tell you're scared now. You're hiding behind the Constitution like a jihadi does a child.
Is that how Trump ended up killing that little American girl and 9 of her little friends in his first military order in 2017?? Oops.
If one cannot hide behind the Constitution, then what is the Constitution for?
we're done letting you weaponize our virtues against us
In saying that, you reveal you have no virtues left to defend.
Come back when you're sober please. I welcome you to try again, but only if you're sober.
You Democratic Party assholes have been calling Trump 'Orange Hitler', 'fascist' and a 'tyrant' on national TV since 2016.
You don't get to pretend that when he claps back he's breaking some sort of new ground, Sullum.
Biden's red speech called half the nation a danger to democracy and inferred they were all fascist, and you didn't say a peep. But Trump returns insults and it's somehow causing Democrats to kill.
This was the fruit of dishonest articles like yours, Sullum. You don't get to pretend that your hands are clean.
Biden was right. MAGAs are fascists and a threat to the US as a free country.
You are as sharp as Biden’s tack.
When's the last time one of them assassinated a civil rights leader?
He didn’t just say MAGA, doc.
Crooks and Mangione and Kohberger and Robinson are bitter clinger MAGA Republicans—true DEPLORABLES!! STOP the MAGA Madness!!
I’ve changed my mind on this sock. You’re a laugh riot.
We better send the FBI your way. You likely incite people like Kirk’s assassin, and belong in prison.
Desperate to look everywhere but in the mirror.
This isn't blame, it is the human condition. Tribalism isn't something you can escape, or rise above, it is who we are.
True enough. Now talk scale.
We should be more tribal while following politics less. You can’t change anyone’s mind so in your 20s join the party that best reflects your values and don’t waste 25 years of your life following politics like I did!!! Politics as a hobby is a huge waste of time.
"Freedom of speech cannot reliably protect conservatives unless it also protects people they despise."
Freedom of speech cannot reliably protect conservatives unless it also protects people WHO DESPISE THEM."
Both TRUE statements. Any wonder which one came from Sullum?
So, is the pot calling the kettle black?
In truth, it's a massive kettle calling a small pot black, and daring the pot to respond in kind, so the kettle can then scream "BOAF SIDEZ!"
Remember the teachings of Saul Alinsky, "Always accuse your opposition of that which you are doing."
In other words, accuse conservatives of hate speech when in truth, the leftists have been far more guilty of hate speech than those on the right. Not just hate speech but outright threats of violence.
Conservatives have been forced to tiptoe on social media while the left rants, raves and calls for violence against any and all who dare oppose their agendas. And they get away with it.
Trump is simply reminding Americans as to who is truly guilty of hate speech.
The First Amendment was written for those whose speech you would find abhorrent, even those with which one would disagree with.
It works both ways.
The First Amendment does not protect those who advocate violence or threats to other persons. And yes, it does protect what people would consider speech.
Jesus wants Planned Parenthood clinics in inner city Baltimore!
WARNING! GRAPHIC CONTENT:
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs Crazy quotes by Charlie KKK…
Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’
The far-right commentator didn’t pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events
Charlie Kirk, the far-right commentator and ally of Donald Trump, was killed on Wednesday doing what he was known for throughout his career – making incendiary and often racist and sexist comments to large audiences.
If it was current and controversial in US politics, chances are that Kirk was talking about it. On his podcasts, and on the podcasts of friends and adversaries, and especially on college campuses, where he would go to debate students, Kirk spent much of his adult life defending and articulating a worldview aligned with Trump and the Maga movement. Accountable to no one but his audience, he did not shy away in his rhetoric from bigotry, intolerance, exclusion and stereotyping.
Here’s Kirk, in his own words. Many of his comments were documented by Media Matters for America, a progressive non-profit that tracks conservative media.
On race
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024
If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022
Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024
If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
Charlie Kirk in his own words: 'Prowling Blacks go around for fun to target white people' – video
Charlie Kirk in his own words: 'Prowling Blacks go around for fun to target white people' – video
On debate
We record all of it so that we put [it] on the internet so people can see these ideas collide. When people stop talking, that’s when you get violence. That’s when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.
– Kirk discussing his work in an undated clip that circulated on X after his killing.
Prove me wrong.
– Kirk’s challenge to students to publicly debate him during the tour of colleges he was on when he was assassinated.
On gender, feminism and reproductive rights
Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.
– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025
The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.
– Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024
We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024
Charlie Kirk in his own words: 'A Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic' – video
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Charlie Kirk in his own words: 'A Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic' – video
On gun violence
I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
On immigration
America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025
The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024
The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024
On Islam
America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025
We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don’t care, that’s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025
Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.
– Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025
On religion
There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022
You missed Kirk's words most relevant to Kirk's killing:
"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023
And this further proves that it’s time to turn up the heat on these Democrat criminals. It’s likely that America and many other democrat down line groups will be designated as terror organizations. Which will make it much easier to go after you people for your violence and your treason.
How about the Republican criminals who murdered Melissa Hartman and tried to murder Josh Shapiro?
Mussolini did pretty much the same thing you are calling for. Yet you object to us accurately calling your beliefs Fascist.
Trump's rabid response to this incident should be seen as evidence against Trump regarding another recent summary political execution--by Trump and Hegseth of 11 people on a boat off the coast of Venezuela. Trump just makes up whatever he wants to make people think what he wants them to think. That includes when wants to incite violence and even when he purports to justify murder that he admits to committing.
His response was restrained. Perhaps too restrained.
It’s time to go after you people. Enough is enough.
What would you recommend Trump do to "go after" people like me (people who write what I write)?
Are you involved with antifa or related groups? That won’t go well for you, given that it’s very likely they will be designated as terror organizations. Do you donate to them? And if posting any pro assassination screeds, you’re likely to get canceled anyway.
That will be the first layer of the democrat onion to be peeled. Then it will go from there. You people are showing the world what you really are.
Freedom of speech cannot reliably protect conservatives unless it also protects people they despise.
Sullum, you retard, you realize that Charlie Kirk is dead, right? That neither freedom of speech nor the RTKBA reliably protected him, right? When you begin your premise with false if-statement, you can be as retarded and dishonest as you like with the predicate without making the least bit of sense.
It didn't protect Melissa Hartman either.
Hang Mike Pence
Execute General Milley
Death Penalty for the [exonerated] Central Park Five
The Trumpists ignore the source of some of the worst pro-violence rhetoric.
I crossed my fingers and I tried to keep an open mind about Trump after he was elected again but it turns out he is going to once again be as big a wannabe tyrant dumbass as his predecessor.
hey also have a lovely weekend all thanks for the free forum @Reason
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So Reason is now arguing that it is okay to call for violence against people you don't like. Freedom of speech was always about the free exchange of ideas even hateful ideas but never did it protect calling for violence and those who do should be prosecuted. starting with both Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden for saying they want to punch Trump.
Here's Sullum doing exactly what got Charlie Kirk murdered.