The Standard for 'Vicious' Speech Trump Laid Out After Kirk's Murder Would Implicate Trump Himself
Freedom of speech cannot reliably protect conservatives unless it also protects people they despise.

In a video released on Wednesday night, President Donald Trump said "radical left" rhetoric "is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today," including this week's assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk at a college in Utah, and "it must stop right now." Trump vowed that "my administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country."
Trump also expressed devotion to "the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died," including "free speech." Yet that value seems inconsistent with Trump's claim that hateful rhetoric "directly" causes violence and his promise to "find" anyone who "contribute[s]" to that problem, apparently including "radical left" people who make inflammatory statements about their political opponents. As Trump put it on Fox News this morning, "The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy."
The solution that Trump is contemplating seems to go beyond urging self-restraint. The Trump administration is developing a "comprehensive plan on violence in America," including "ways that you can address" what "can only be called hate groups," which "may breed this kind of behavior," White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles said on Thursday. "It will not be easy. There's layer upon layer upon layer, and some of this hate-filled rhetoric is multigenerational, but you've got to start somewhere."
Like Trump, Wiles noted "the importance of free speech." But it is impossible to reconcile that principle with any government plan that entails targeting "hate groups" because they are "vicious" and "horrible" or because they engage in "hate-filled rhetoric."
What sort of rhetoric does Trump have in mind? "It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree," he said in the video. "Day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible for years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals."
Such rhetoric is indeed "hateful" and "despicable," but it is also constitutionally protected. It is hard to imagine how the government, consistent with the First Amendment, could try to suppress the speech that Wiles says "may breed" political violence.
This is not to say there is no connection between the sort of demonization that Trump describes and appalling crimes such as Kirk's murder. Spencer Cox, Utah's Republican governor, says Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old man police have identified as Kirk's killer, inscribed his rifle cartridges with messages such as "Hey fascists! Catch!" But while demonization may be a necessary condition for such violence, it is obviously not sufficient. If it were, we would see a lot more political murders.
First Amendment law recognizes that distinction between words and actions. Hyperbolic analogies like the ones that Trump cited clearly fall into the former category. And under the test established by the Supreme Court's 1969 ruling in Brandenburg v. Ohio, even advocacy of illegal conduct is protected by the First Amendment unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to have that effect. Comparing your political opponents to Nazis, however "hateful" and "despicable" that may be, plainly does not meet that test.
Trump himself has relied on the Brandenburg test in arguing that he should not be held civilly liable for his role in provoking the 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol. He insisted that he did not intend to cause a riot, noting that he never explicitly advocated anything more extreme than peaceful protest. Yet his pre-riot speech, which was full of invective against the "radical-left Democrats" who supposedly had rigged an election and dark warnings about what would happen if an alleged usurper were allowed to take office, easily meets the standard that Trump applies when he says anti-conservative rhetoric is "directly responsible" for "terrorism."
So does the demonizing rhetoric that Trump routinely deploys against people who irk him. As he tells it, his political opponents are not merely wrong. They are "sick, sinister, and evil people" who are "trying to destroy our country" because they "hate our country." They are "communists," "Marxists," "fascists," "radical left lunatics," "sick people," and "vermin." They are "the enemy from within."
Although Trump condemns "those who go after our judges," he reflexively tars judges who rule against him as corrupt actors who deserve to be impeached because they are perverting the law in service of an extreme ideological agenda. When a judge disagrees with Trump about statutory or constitutional interpretation, according to the president, he must be a "Radical Left Lunatic of a Judge, a troublemaker and agitator" bent on obstructing Trump's agenda for political reasons.
One could plausibly argue that such rhetoric fosters attitudes that, at their most extreme, encourage violence against politicians and judges. But that would not make Trump "directly responsible" for such crimes. The only person "directly responsible" for political violence is the person who decides to commit it—a point that even the Brandenburg test obscures by gliding over the moral autonomy of listeners who choose to engage in "lawless action."
The point is not that Trump is a hypocrite, although he clearly is. The point is that the freedom of speech he claims to value cannot protect him unless it also protects people he despises.
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don't be a pedantic douche people are raw right now.
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I'm also thankful for this forum. It is one of the few places that isn't 100% dominated by one tribe or another.
And that just chaps your ass, you fifty-centing politruk.
You're all "all-voices" until the second you think the DNC voice is 50+1 and then it's bullets to the neck again for those who dare disagree.
Sadly, Trump cups the balls and swallows the gravy of genocidal Zionist Israelis and pedophiles.
Way to tone down the rhetoric…wow!
Stop samefagging your own posts.
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The award goes to Chumby for predicting Sullum would blame Trump. Half points because there was no mention of tariffs.
Giving Chumby an award for predicting Sullum would blame Trump, is like awarding someone for predicting that the sun will rise.
If Sullum didn't blame Trump, I'd worry that the world was ending.
If Trump wanted to be true to Kirk's free speech stance, he wouldn't threaten visa holders for mocking Kirk or revoke green cards for speaking in support of Palestinians.
Shrike doesn't think foreigners should be held to the requirements of contracts they willingly signed. They are just better people.
More undocumented boys in the nation means more potential outlets for his surges of urges.
If I told you that in 1952, a permanent resident alien was deported for past membership in the Communist Party, would you believe me?
Again, in 2012 Biden said Mitt Romney would put black people back in chains. The heated rhetoric did not start with Trump. The idea that it was OK to "punch a Nazi", with the progs deciding who qualifies as a Nazi. The Left has been advocating, using and celebrating political violence for decades now while seeking to stifle the speech of their opposition. They still advocate for it where they still hold power in the blue states, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Calling someone "far right" is reason for them to be deplatformed and debanked, without any further explanation.
Trump is an aspect of the reaction to all this.
Trump is an aspect of the reactionary pro-political-violence stance!
"Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"!
Twat a SHINING Example to us peons!!!
Who siad, "Hang Mike Pence"?
Also, no word about the DC pipe bomber?
Trump said shit! Documented on captured audio no less!
Oh, so THAT is why sore-in-the-cunt cunt-sore-va-turds shout down “wrong” ideas, and go all ape-shit-Trumpanzee at pro-mobocracy, anti-democracy “mostly peaceful” Demonstrations, hissy fits, and violent temper tantrums?
And then they blame the Demon-Craps!!!
https://www.umass.edu/news/article/republicans-blame-democrats-antifa-and-us
REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS, ANTIFA AND U.S. CAPITOL POLICE FOR JAN. 6 MAYHEM, ACCORDING TO NEW UMASS AMHERST/WCVB POLL
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
Trump says execute General Milley… https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/milley-donald-trump-execution-comment/index.html
Milley says Trump disrespected US military with execution comment
Was this, too, all made-up bullshit from the FBI and the Lizard People, perhaps?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/25/trump-hang-mike-pence-chant-jan-6
With photo of a makeshift gallows set up by Trumpanzees gone apeshit! All are the works of the Lizard People?
DC pipe bomber? OJ Simpson? Twatabout the Twatabouts? Did YOU personally shout about the Twatabouts?
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Twatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
The Left has been advocating, using and celebrating political violence for decades now
I agree that there are *some* elements on the left that have been "advocating, using and celebrating political violence" for a while. Do you agree that there are *some* elements on the right that have also been "advocating, using and celebrating political violence" at least in recent years?
No
I cannot say that absolutely does not not exist on the Right, but it is not in any way to the same extent. What has been seen in Left leaning media and social platforms over the past couple of days proves that.
I disagree. Every single day in these forums there are commenters demanding the deaths of progressives. And that was before Charlie Kirk's murder. It is the right that has discussed civil war for years and years now.
I think your social platforms are designed to give you the news that you want to see. They are engineered to deliver you stories about liberals behaving badly no matter how out-of-mainstream those stories are. And it is the same for everyone.
The Right has not joyously discussed civil war. We do not have any desire for it, but do not see an off-ramp.
Noting it is likely coming is not hoping it does.
I am trying to think of a murder of a leftist where conservatives applauded or cheered it on.
https://newrepublic.com/article/200410/trump-issued-unnerving-threat-liberals
From there (below), plenty more there, Trump is Slurping Shit Right Up from ALL of His Slurpporters, to blame ALL of this shit on... The evil libs!!! Twat else do ye expect from Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the peons?
“I couldn’t care less” about radicals on the right, Trump explicitly said, declaring straight out that right-wing extremism is justified as a response to the alleged extremism of the left.
That is likely to be received as a clear message by radical right-wing forces across the country. Kirk’s assassination has triggered many on the right to call for full-scale violent civil conflict. “Charlie tried to have conversations with you on the left, and you killed him for it,” seethed influencer Matt Walsh, calling on the right to “fight back” in response. Libs of TikTok screamed: “THIS IS WAR.”
Also...
Put another way: No amount of reasoning about who actually has waged political violence and who has not—or about who has actually been victimized and who has not—can make headway against that push. The entire point of it is to fake-justify the targeting of innocents.
Trump’s wording in this prewritten speech is deliberate: He says his administration will target everyone it can find who contributed to the assassination of Kirk. The clear message is that anyone who can be blamed for Kirk’s death even speciously and pretextually is now subject to retribution by the full force of the government and Trump’s security services. Note that this includes liberal-left “organizations” as well.
It shouldn’t escape notice that Stephen Miller recently called the entire Democratic Party a “domestic extremist organization,” or that Miller is a close ally of FBI Director Kash Patel. One imagines that Miller is whispering in Trump’s ear that Kirk’s assassination frees him to defy the courts with abandon and is conspiring with Patel to draw up plans for going after “domestic extremist” Democrats in what could look like a revival of the FBI domestic political spying of the 1960s.
From same source as listed above:
Pape says Trump’s statement on Fox represents something new. “There’s never been a president in our lifetimes who has excused political violence on his own side,” Pape notes, adding that Trump should instead “restrain extremist responses to the assassination of Kirk.”
Unfortunately, that’s not what Trump is doing at all. At a time when some of his most prominent supporters are calling for open season on liberals and the left, he’s functionally saying: Go for it. The MAGA-captured American state has your back. We’re behind you all the way.
SQRLSY says... THIS Shit from Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the peons, is pure Evil-One-Worshit, and leads to HELL; snot Heaven in ANY way! This for a Pervfected One who could SNOT fight in Vietnam, because of (?) boner splints in His feet? Or His Pervfected addiction to Queen Spermy Daniels? I can't keep shit all straight, in the defaced face of ALL of this crookedness!
Only retribution.
The left has been squawking about oppressed people and saying it justifies any and all behavior. All the while, the left was oppressing/vilifying conservatives, as Mickey truthfully stated.
So it's okay when Gazans murder oppressors but oppressed/vilified conservatives should just sit down and shut up? You don't get it both ways.
More victimhood complex.
I don't think conservatives *as a group* are "oppressed" in any meaningful way in this country. Certainly not to the extent that Palestinians are oppressed in Gaza.
Every single example that I have seen of "conservative oppression", has either been wildly exaggerated, or ordinary treatment in which conservatives as a group were not treated especially poorly.
The examples that I have seen include:
1. "Online censorship pertaining to COVID and vaccines" - however wrong that censorship was, it was not directed *at conservatives* but at specific people spreading those particular viewpoints. It was not directed against conservatives spreading conservative opinions broadly.
2. "Treatment of Jan. 6 prisoners" - again they were treated the same as other prisoners who were similarly situated. One can argue that none of them should have been treated that way, and I would tend to agree. But the Jan. 6 prisoners were not specifically targeted.
3. "Targeting of school board protesters" - again if you look at what ACTUALLY happened, not all of the hysteria, the FBI conducted a grand total of 3 interviews as a result, one of which had nothing to do with protesting parents, no one was even investigated let alone charged or jailed, and the entire matter was dropped. If this is "oppression" then it is the lamest example of oppression ever existing.
Do you have others that you wish to share?
You don't accept that conservatives have been oppressed. The shit you posted is Lying Jeffy propaganda. You are deflecting and making excuses.
And you ignored EVERYTHING Mickey said. More deflection.
Again, in 2012 Biden said Mitt Romney would put black people back in chains. The heated rhetoric did not start with Trump. The idea that it was OK to "punch a Nazi", with the progs deciding who qualifies as a Nazi. The Left has been advocating, using and celebrating political violence for decades now while seeking to stifle the speech of their opposition. They still advocate for it where they still hold power in the blue states, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Calling someone "far right" is reason for them to be deplatformed and debanked, without any further explanation.
You don't accept that conservatives have been oppressed.
I gave you three examples that have been commonly cited around here of so-called "conservative oppression" and I showed how those claims were false.
I don't consider speech alone to be a type of oppression. Do you? Is speech violence now?
Can you give me one specific example where you believe conservatives *as a group* were oppressed *for their conservative beliefs*?
Calling someone "far right" is reason for them to be deplatformed and debanked, without any further explanation.
What happens in Canada and the UK is not relevant in the current discussion. Do you have an example of a conservative who was deplatformed and debanked SOLELY because that conservative was called "far right", "without any further explanation"?
Palestinians are oppressed in Gaza BY HAMAS, unable to leave or move freely, used as human shields, prevented from obtaining food, etc.
Their lives would be infinitely better without Hamas.
Truth never mattered to obese socialists.
Oh but let's talk about "vilifying" conservatives. I would suggest, try getting thicker skin. Yeah there are lots of people who don't like conservatives and think that they are bad people. So what? There are lots of conservatives who don't like liberals and think they are bad people too.
If your position is "I don't think anyone should be vilified for their beliefs", then fine that is a completely defensible position. But you seem to be saying "I don't think *MY TEAM* should be vilified for *OUR* beliefs" while tacitly or overtly approving of vilification of the other team. That's not really defensible.
I would suggest, try getting thicker skin.
Thicker skin doesn't stop leftists' bullets. Kirk is the latest example.
Thicker fingers also doesn't stop jeff from throwing tons of food down his throat.
Thicker skin does not help where the Left says Conservatives do not deserve tge benefits of civil society and should have no say in it.
“You get used to it “.
Are leftists supposed to develop thicker skin when individuals in these forums suggest progressives should just kill themselves, or that they should be arrested en masse and declared a terrorist organization?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
We had to when the VICE-PRESIDENT accused a milquetoast Republican of trying to reinstitute slavery or that he killed a woman with cancer.
the Left says Conservatives do not deserve tge benefits of civil society and should have no say in it.
Do you mean that liberals advocate for conservative politicians to be defeated? Gee, that's a shocker. Is it your claim that it is a type of oppression for liberals to advocate against the election of conservative politicians?
Do you mean that liberal advocacy for different cultural values than conservatives tend to hold is a type of oppression? This implies that it is somehow wrong for other people to believe something that conservatives don't believe. Is that what you think?
And before you bring up "they tried to kick Trump off the ballot" - yes, but that was because of his specific actions on Jan. 6, not because he was a Republican generally.
He made no actions on 1/6. He gave a speech. A less hostile speech, mind you, than Biden's ode to Nuremberg during his Presidency.
Fuck off with both sides shit Jeff. The left spent all summer of 2020 burning the country down, two failed failed assassination attempts on Trump, years of lawfare, and now the murder of a political commentator.
And of course, years and years of violent rhetoric, labeling of fascist and Hitler, calls for assassination, and the worst that the right has done was a riot on J6. A riot that was blown well and truly out of proportions with the only people who died being the "rioters". So no and fuck off.
Trump reacting live when hearing of Ginsburg’s death:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EGzo-sAnevk&pp=
Sullum couldn't even wait 2 days to start attacking trump for the assassination.
A chaff and redirect away from Welch’s tweet.
We've been talking about the killers motives for a couple days now. I'm less concerned about Robinson than I am about the leftist cheering and celebrating. Those are the motives that concern me. They want conservatives dead. They say it with a smile and the media covers for them.
Who radicalized the right? It wasn't Trump, it is self-preservation from the left.
"Who radicalized the right? It wasn't Trump, it is self-preservation from the left."
Trump? Ya kiddin' me fer Chrissakes!?!? "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"! Own shit, right-wingers!
"self-preservation from the left" radicalized the (Far) right? The left preserving and protecting itself, self defense, is now objectionable to the FAR right, for some treason? Your writing is scum-stained and incumprehensible!
Is the left allowed to defend itself any more or any less than the right is allowed to defend itself, in twat way(s), and why? Did anyone ever try to teach you how to write clearly?
When did Trump say, "Hang Mike Pence"?
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
More detailed response of mine (where this came from) elsewhere here in these cumments right here...
Probably on the toilet, once in a while...
Implicate Trump? Unpossible.
Fatass Donnie has immunity. SCOTUS ruled he is above the law.
Unlike a real democracy like Brazil where Donald J Bolsanaro got 27 years for orchestrating his coup.
Have you purchased your ticket?
If I need to I’ll just gift Donnie a gold-plated buttplug to buy into the club.
I for one would dearly LOVE to purchase tickets to see the sentencing of Dear InsurrectionShit Leader (Bleeder of the peons), to 27 years for orchestrating His Pervfected, Mind-Infected, Butt-Fortunately-Deflected, coup! Sign me up!!!
(More honestly, I would rather just see Him being punished by people WISING UP, and SNOT Slurpporting His PervFected Shit, ANY longer! No other punishment is really warranted, yet. Unlike SHITLOADS of assholes that I know, I am SNOT addicted to excessive, severe punishments!)
When was there a coup?
If I shoot 1,000 bullets at Michael Ejercito, and all of the bullets MISS Michael Ejercito, swill Michael Ejercito then simply say, "OK then, no harm, no foul"? All should then be forgiven, right, right-wing nutter-butter?
You failed to answer the question.
1963.
Trump stated that George Soros and his entire network of NGOs in the USA will be subjected to a federal investigation under the RICO law. This law was enacted under Nixon in 1970 and is aimed at combating organized crime (the mafia) and corrupt officials connected to it. Essentially, Trump equated Soros's entire network to a huge criminal organization. Kirk's murder gives him certain opportunities to act more decisively against his enemies.
- Slava Z
‘Bout time.
No shit.
There's a pretty clear comparison to be made between the left's responsibility for this event and the right's responsibility for the Oklahoma City bombing. In the Oklahoma City bombing critics asserted the right's general anti-government rhetoric caused McVeigh to become unhinged and led to the bombing.
Why are these same people claiming linking this assassination (and that of the NFL office killer, and the Healthcare CEO) to demonizing rhetoric on the left is illegitimate? If anything there is a stronger link in the current events.
I don't remember the right celebrating the Oklahoma City bombing. I do remember the silence on the left when Clinton signed off on the burning of women and children alive at Waco for purported illegal gun possession.
I don't remember the right celebrating the Oklahoma City bombing.
True. That's one tell the link in that event is less strong. In fact the right's revulsion to OKC destroyed the militia movement which went from millions of members to a few tens of thousands virtually overnight. That's similar to the left/right difference between the BLM riots and J6. After the first BLM riot more leftists joined the following riots. After J6 the already planned protests at state capitals had literally zero participation. That shows us the left understood rioting as a continued plan and the right understood rioting as a horrifying mistake.
McVeigh’s bombing of the federal building had less to do with anti-government rhetoric than with what he saw as the gross injustice at Waco, courtesy of the Reno-backed feds.
The OK bombing was his retribution, much as it reflects his exaggerated sense of justice. He even timed the bombing on the second anniversary of Waco.
But it was the slaughter of some 80 Branch Davidians, including @30 kids, by ATF and the FBI that fueled his actions.
Not rhetoric.
80 people burned to death. Americans. By a Democrat administration. I don't know how you rhetoric that away.
You ignore facts and reality and substitute your own.
Yep, as opposed to Tyler having his feelings hurt-oh, wait, triggered-by Kirk’s micro-aggressions.
If Trump is serious about punishing those whose social media communications threaten the American way of life he can start by rounding up most regular commenters on Reason. Your fake identifiers won't save you, although the First Amendment might.
Democrats did it first blah blah blah
Trump celebrated the murder of culture war opponents?
"Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley"! Own shit, snot-so-bright right-wingers!
What do those have to do with Trump?
Trump said those things!!! Ass an advocate for political violence, He presents a TERRIBLE, even evil, examples for us peons!
When did he say those things?
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
Trump says execute General Milley… https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/milley-donald-trump-execution-comment/index.html
Milley says Trump disrespected US military with execution comment
Was this, too, all made-up bullshit from the FBI and the Lizard People, perhaps?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/25/trump-hang-mike-pence-chant-jan-6
With photo of a makeshift gallows set up by Trumpanzees gone apeshit! All are the works of the Lizard People?
"Trump said those things!!!"
Well there's a giant fucking lie. Trump absolutely did not say "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley".
Nor did his political allies as the whole "Hang Mike Pence" thing was another giant fucking lie from your party, and it was Milley himself who told everyone he committed treason. Not Trump.
And I know that you know this, as I linked you to the video and Milley's book several times now. So the only reason I can think that you're lying like this is because you want to work up your compatriots into killing more people.
Seems like the glowies here need to subpoena Reason again and have a talk with him.
If Trump thinks the left is "politically savvy" than he is dumber then ever.
See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/trump-fox-friends-charlie-kirk-shooting as a worthy read...
In Friday’s comments, he threatened the philanthropist George Soros with a Rico investigation of the sort normally reserved for organised crime. He accused Soros of funding “professional agitators” who were engaging in “more than protest, this is real agitation, this is riots on the streets”.
In an Oval Office address delivered hours after Kirk was pronounced dead, Trump made menacing remarks indicating he would seek revenge against “organizations that fund and support” political violence. He laid blame for the current plight entirely on what he called the “radical left”.
Such rhetoric is indeed "hateful" and "despicable," but it is also constitutionally protected.
And we're done letting you weaponize our virtues against us.
Carve out your hole, Jacob. I can tell you're scared now. You're hiding behind the Constitution like a jihadi does a child.
You Democratic Party assholes have been calling Trump 'Orange Hitler', 'fascist' and a 'tyrant' on national TV since 2016.
You don't get to pretend that when he claps back he's breaking some sort of new ground, Sullum.
Biden's red speech called half the nation a danger to democracy and inferred they were all fascist, and you didn't say a peep. But Trump returns insults and it's somehow causing Democrats to kill.
This was the fruit of dishonest articles like yours, Sullum. You don't get to pretend that your hands are clean.
Biden was right. MAGAs are fascists and a threat to the US as a free country.
You are as sharp as Biden’s tack.