A Federal Court Just Blocked Trump's Tariffs
The Court of International Trade ruled that Trump's emergency economic powers do not include the authority to impose tariffs on nearly all imports.

The U.S. Court of International Trade on Wednesday evening struck down President Donald Trump's use of emergency executive powers to impose tariffs on nearly all imports.
The ruling includes an injunction that immediately blocks the collection of tariffs Trump imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) of 1977. The Trump administration had used that law as the legal basis for tariffs imposed in February on imports from Canada, China, and Mexico, then used it again as the basis for the so-called "Liberation Day" tariffs announced on April 2 and applying to nearly all American imports.
The court ruled that Trump had overstepped the authority granted by IEEPA, which had never previously been invoked to impose tariffs.
"The court holds…that IEEPA does not authorize any of the Worldwide, Retaliatory, or Trafficking Tariff Orders," a three-judge panel on the court wrote. Those orders, the judges wrote, "exceed any authority granted to the President by IEEPA to regulate importation by means of tariffs."
"The challenged Tariff Orders will be vacated and their operation permanently
enjoined," they concluded.
The ruling combines two cases that challenged the legal authority of Trump's tariffs. One of those cases was brought by the Liberty Justice Center on behalf of several American businesses that depend on imported goods. (Reason interviewed one of the plaintiffs in the case shortly after it was filed in April.) The other was filed by several state attorneys general.
The court's ruling is a sweeping one that covers all imports. "There is no question here of narrowly tailored relief," the three judges wrote in their ruling. "If the challenged Tariff Orders are unlawful as to Plaintiffs they are unlawful as to all."
The ruling is a welcome blow to the Trump administration's freewheeling use of IEEPA in ways that seemingly ignored the plain text of the law—which authorizes executive action only in response to "unusual and extraordinary" threats to the United States. Ordinary imports to the country do not meet that standard, the plaintiffs argued in the case. Additionally, the plaintiffs argued that Congress could not constitutionally delegate such sweeping tariff powers to the executive branch.
In its ruling on Wednesday, the Court of International Trade seemed to agree on both points.
"We do not read IEEPA to delegate an unbounded tariff authority to the President," the judges wrote. "We instead read IEEPA's provisions to impose meaningful limits on any such authority it confers."
The Trump administration will almost certainly appeal the ruling and request a stay of the injunction on the tariffs. It's impossible to say how those things will turn out.
For now, however, this is a huge win for free trade—and, perhaps more importantly, Wednesday's ruling is a win for the rule of law and the separation of powers.
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Libertarians for globalist rule?
The judges are in charge.
That’s what democracy is, right?
Looks like threatening war is the preferred way to get better trade deals.
I thought we had a constitutional republic.
Where have you been?
Posting his incorrect predictions.
Oh Jesse, you slay me! Still unclear on the distinction between past data and future predictions, are ye? Well, you'll figure it out someday, and aye, there's another prediction based on past data, because you haven't figured it out yet.
Is that you sarc?
Judges are supposed to see that the Executive Branch follows the law as written. The Republicans in Congress can override this decision by enacting a law. They could even add it to the One Big Beautiful Bill.
Which written law are you referencing?
The one that was illegally ratified in 1787 or so.
The judges are making their own rules. There's a constitutional crisis going on all right and it's not Trump who's causing it.
Can you cite what in the constitution or the IEEPA gives the president the authority to issue tariff edicts?
He has never read the Constitution.
District court judges have no judicial authority over tariffs. Dumbass.
Are you illiterate or were you just too lazy to read the article?
We are seeing the rise of judicial tyranny. Israel has a huge problem with that.
The court of... what?!!
Court location: new york.
Strike 1.
In 1956, the U.S. Customs Court was reconstituted by Congress as an Article III tribunal, giving it the status and privileges of a federal court.
Established by judicial decree.
Strike 2.
The court's subject matter jurisdiction is limited to particular questions in international trade and customs law, though it may also decide any civil action against the U.S. government, its officers, or its agencies arising out of any law connected to international trade. As an Article III tribunal, the U.S. Court of International Trade can decide controversies in both law and equity, and is thus allowed to grant relief in virtually all means available, including money judgments, writs of mandamus, and preliminary or permanent injunctions.
Particularized. Not broad base policy.
Strike 3.
The court possesses limited subject matter jurisdiction, meaning that it may hear only cases involving particular international trade and customs law questions. For example, the court hears disputes such as those involving protests filed with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, decisions regarding Trade Adjustment Assistance by the United States Department of Labor or United States Department of Agriculture, customs broker licensing, and disputes relating to determinations made by the United States International Trade Commission and the Department of Commerce's International Trade Administration regarding anti-dumping and countervailing duties.[12]
Again. Particularized, not broad policy.
Oh my. Not more than 5 shall be from the same party.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title28/part1/chapter11&edition=prelim
Currently 10 are.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_International_Trade
Shocked Pikachu face.
That means this ruling was made by an illegitimate court.
...the U.S. Customs Court was reconstituted by Congress...Established by judicial decree...
Huh?
Particularized. Not broad base policy.
Why is that a problem?
Oh my. Not more than 5 shall be from the same party.
*shares linke that says:*
10 of 9 are from the same party?!
Currently 10 are.
*shares linke that lists 16 judges, 9 of which were appointed by dem presidents:*
You didn't detect a problem there?
The 3 judges in this case were appointed by Obama, Trump and Reagan. The decision was unanimous.
8 out of 10 links shared by Jessica now say the opposite of what she claims. I don't think that was always the case, and even her lexical style seems to have changed. When you take that along with the overall volume of comments on almost every article, replies within seconds, and the same 5 or so handles responding to everything they post, it does give one and intriguing puzzle. Bot, loon, or deadbeat asshole?
The nerve of this unconstitutional court striking down unconstitutional taxes! So un-American for a court to dictate tax law, those are Article 1 powers, god damnit. They belong in the hands of the President!
They belong in the hands of the President!
Once again.
Congress, at any point, could've addressed theft and trade imbalances. The courts, at any point, could've weighed in even before Trump took action. The fact that they're weighing in now says more than any/all lamentations about who *should* be wielding the power and taking the action. You, they, didn't care to maintain a working system when it was running well. Now that it's broken and someone is doing whatever it takes to keep it running, even for them, you're, like a good Union-compliant, protectionist laborer, standing athwart them saying, "You're not authorized to make these repairs." And you are absolutely right, they aren't.
Article I is about the powers of Congress, not the President.
OK. Are they wrong? What's the emergency? There is definitely plenty that is fucked up about the current international trade regime, but that's been the case for decades. Something that has been going on for decades is not an emergency.
"And the comment sections were filled with the wailing and gnashing of teeth..."
Matthew 13:50 Probably
The Ten Cummandments of The Ruthugglican Church SHALL be posted in skuuls everywhere!!!
‘1) Thou Shalt Hang Mike Pence!
‘2) Thou Shalt Execute General Milley!
3) Thou Shalt Honor the (metaphorically true) LIES about illegal sub-humans eating Our Precious Pets!
4) Thou Shalt threaten the lives of judges, their families, and of their pets, if Dear Leader doesn’t LIKE the judges that hear His Cases!
5) Thou Shalt beat up peaceful protestors at Dear Leader rallies!
6) Dear Leader Shall then offer to pay the legal expenses of the beaters uppers.
7) Neither the Number Six above, nor the Sick-Sick-Sick Number of the Beast, shall be construed in ANY way, to mean that the Ten Cummandments are to be applied to The Supreme Dear Leader Himself! We’re SOOO sorry, Dear Leader, if SOME fools accuse us peons of telling YOU twat to do!
8) All the Days of your lives, thou shalt humble thyself, and HONOR The Chosen One, which is Dear Leader.
9) Thou Shalt have NO other Dear Leader, other than THE Chosen Dear Leader!
10) In your times of troubles, Thou Shalt not despair, butt remember that Government Almighty (of the Rethugglican Church; NOT of the impostors, the Demon-Craps) LOVES you and yours! In times of despair, Thou Shalt recall the Uplifting Words of Dear Leader…
“I come unto ye to bring messages of Joy and Peace! Do NOT be confused by the lamestream media, nor by the Demon-Craps, who speak of many strange wonders! They speak of many YUUGE lies, and of half-truths! Some say that I am the Son of God! Some say that I am the Son of Man! Some say that I am the Great White Father! Or the Great Pumpkin! Or the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Feather-Father! But I am none of those things! I come to be before you, as an Humble Man, with MUCH bigness to my humbleness… You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-Crap ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”
And the 11th Cummandment shall be…
’11) Thou Shalt remember, all of the Days of Your Lives, that twatever BAD shit is at hand, that the Demon-Craps have ALWAYS done shit first! So then YOU can do shit EVEN MORE, since THEY did shit first! So long, that is, if’n ye faithfully Worshit Dear Leader. And Dear Leader Himself? HE can ALWAYS do shit! Without ANY ifs, ands, or butts!!! TWATEVER HE WANTS!!!
‘1) Thou Shalt Hang Mike Pence!
When are you going to stop repeating debunked lies, Shillsy?
‘2) Thou Shalt Execute General Milley!
Did Milley brag about telling a Chinese general he would pass classified information and war plans to him and refuse to obey the Commander in Chiefs orders, or did he not?
What's the legal penalty for that, Shillsy?
I think a treason trial could sort out #2.
Not debunked at all.
He also wanted to execute General Milley and the Exonerated Central Park Five.
Gen Milley did pretty blatantly commit treason. Constitution spells out the punishment.
Gen Milley is now duly convicted by a jury of ONE = = Damned-and-Sick!!!
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to severely constrict these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
(And Asshole Extraordinaire will NEVER take back its' totalitarian bullshit!!!! 'Cause Asshole Extraordinaire is already PERFECT in every way!!!)
This (above damikesc quote) is a gem of the damnedest dumbness of damikesc! Like MANY “perfect in their own minds” asshole authoritarians around here, he will NEVER take back ANY of the stupidest and most evil things that he has written! I have more of those on file… I deploy them to warn other readers to NOT bother to try and reason with the most utterly unreasonable of the nit-wit twits around here!
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
China wasn't an enemy of the United States. Trump was on China's payroll!
Milley told China that in the event of Trump ordering an attack on China, he would notify China ahead of time. Milley didn't commit treason, he just promised to commit treason if a war did break out with China in the last couple month's of Trump's first term.
I don't care if you think Trump is evil or stupid. If you think the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs pledging to commit treason and communicating that to an enemy nation, in the event of a war occurring, is no big deal, then you're either a traitor yourself or your TDS is terminal.
"...in the last couple month's of Trump's first term."
No, that's a lie... Shit was only in the waning days of the short lame-duck session of Trump's Rule and Drool and Trump was threatening to go rouge on the USA Constitution, and become a self-declared Dick-Tater! Where is the loyalty of the USA military supposed to be directed towards, towards the USA Constitution, or towards Dear Leader? Who do they swear allegiance to?
I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you, as you can't go one sentence without your retarded, middle-school word substitutions--and you're at least in your 60s.
But, here goes. I don't care if it was the last day of his admin or the last month. Trump hadn't issued a strike on China. He wasn't going to do so. But even if he were considering it, it's not the place for Milley to tell a hostile nation that he would inform them of any plans if Trump did decide to do so. Holy fuck, how are you this broken that you don't see a problem with that? If Trump had ordered a strike, and Milley found it to be an illegal order, he could not follow it (he'd have to defend himself later in a court martial) or resign. If a top general decided in the end stages of the war in Afghanistan to warn the Taliban about an American strike, I think you'd find that treasonous, even if you didn't want the US fighting in Afghanistan (as did I). Do the generals get to veto the Commander in Chief if they don't like the President's military plans? If a top general said he would warn the Taliban of a strike if it were to occur, would you have been okay with that?
"Trump hadn't issued a strike on China. He wasn't going to do so."
Your tin-foil mind-reading hat KNOWS that FOR SURE? Other than hindsight? Did You Pervectly KNOW that at the time? If this is true, then General Milley was warning China about something that all of the PervFected People already KNEW was a total lie! Is shit a crime to deceive the (undeclared) "enemy"? Good (and GREAT Generals trick the enemy ALL of the time, and are PRAISED FOR IT! So where, then, logically, is Your PervFect PRAISE for the enemy-deceiving GREAT General Milley?
More realistically, Milley was telling the Chinese to take shit easy, and that no pre-emptive nuclear strike on the USA, to thwart a gone-mad Dick-Tater-Wannabe was needed... I, for one, would rather have someone thwart a gone-berserk Cummander in Chief, than for the human race to go extinct in a nuclear war!
https://time.com/5388648/watergate-nixon-anonymous-op-ed/
An Anonymous Trump Official Claims Insiders Are ‘Thwarting’ Him. That May Have Happened to Nixon Too
One of these days, a madman will SNOT be stopped by the sane people, and we will ALL be dead! Ass we all die, we can THANK GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY that at least the madman's cummands were faithfully obeyed and executed, and that we may ALL be faithfully (even if very painfully) executed!
"Trump hadn't issued a strike on China. He wasn't going to do so."
Your tin-foil mind-reading hat KNOWS that FOR SURE?
You seem to have missed the part where I said, "But even if he were considering it, it's not the place for Milley to tell a hostile nation that he would inform them of any plans if Trump did decide to do so."
Your approach seems to be that the President of the US isn't the Commander in Chief, per the US Constitution. If unelected generals disagree with foreign policy, they can just do whatever they want. That is how you get a banana republic or a military dictatorship. I don't think you'd have this position if it were a different president in office.
I served in the Army. I wasn't anything close to a general. But if I were given an order that I believed strongly was illegal, it would be my duty NOT to obey the order. I'd have to defend my decision under UCMJ. But I wouldn't be able to defend my decision to not follow the order AND tell the enemy what the plans were.
You can spin Milley's actions however you want, but what he did was promise to the Chinese to commit treason if Trump did decide to attack. And, no, Trump wasn't going to attack China in his last month. It doesn't take a mind reader not to believe anonymous and unverified sources, especially when the legacy media had previously cited anonymous sources to push every Trump conspiracy.
"If unelected generals disagree with foreign policy, they can just do whatever they want."
That's nowhere even CLOSE to what I believe! I believe that when nuclear war is threatening, and we have a madman in power who might just go right ahead and push that metaphorical Big Red Button, that the survival of the human race outranks EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE!!! Schlesinger saw that clearly years ago, as did Milley after him.
Trump has repeatedly demonstrated clear disobedience to the voters and to the Constitution at that point, cuntspiring to use "stolen erections theories" to steal the orifice of the POTUS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
THIS is the Cummander in Chief that Milley had to deal with... One who disrespected the voters AND the Constitution which He had sworn to defend! One who WAS eminently capable of pushing the Big Red Button for spiteful reasons having NOTHING to do with the welfare of the USA, or of the human race!
You don't like Trump, so anything goes to undermine him, even the CJCS promising to commit treason.
News flash! Trump didn't stay in office after Jan 20, 2021. This happened in his last month in office. You can justify it to yourself that Trump was going to plunge the world into nUcLeAr WaR on his way out, but I'll ask you your own question: "Your tin-foil mind-reading hat KNOWS that FOR SURE?"
Especially since Trump didn't plunge the world into nuclear war on his way out, nor did he attack China.
That's nowhere even CLOSE to what I believe!
Yet your justifications for Milley promising to commit treason show otherwise.
I'm GLAD that Milley committed "treason" (by whatever name), and that we are NOT yet ALL dead in a nuclear suicide of the human race! General Milley deserves a LOT more credit for that, than trouble-making, belligerent, arrogant, loud-mouth, undiplomatic, bratty, Constitution-disrespecting, voter-disrespecting, elections-disrespecting, democracy-disrespecting Trump EVER will!
You say you don't believe generals can decide to make their own decisions contrary to the orders of the CiC, but then go on to say it was not just okay, but good, that Milley did just that because Trump would have caused a nuclear holocaust. I guess your tinfoil hat works really well.
I'm done with this conversation. It was pointless to try to reason with you. I'll let you have the last word, if you want to reply.
I can and do say I believe generals can and should decide to make their own decisions contrary to the orders of the CiC, when the Cummander in Chief looses contact with reality... Realities to include THAT TRUMP LOST "HIS" ERECTIONS!!!... And hence the Cummander in Chief is in danger of causing nuclear mega-death!
Shit is a fantasy to think that Trump could have ordered a nuclear strike, with all of the (unknown but highly likely to be powerful) advance word that the Chinese would have gotten, technical or otherwise, and then that Milley could have somehow counter-manded AFTER the USA Big Red Button had been pushed, in time to avert a nuclear (semi-pre-emptive) counter-strike from the Chinese. The time to avert these hair-trigger responses is well BEFORE the madman does His Mad Thing!!! SANE people like Milley are our ONLY hope in the face of madness!!! BLIND WORSHIT OF THE CUMMANDER, no matter HOW bonkers He may go, isn't going to help us one iota!
None are so blind ass those who willfully refuse to see!
Oh Willfully Blind Great Servant and Serpent of the Evil One, Who Cuntstantly Repeats Big LIES Butt Has NO Cites...
https://www.umass.edu/news/article/republicans-blame-democrats-antifa-and-us
REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS, ANTIFA AND U.S. CAPITOL POLICE FOR JAN. 6 MAYHEM, ACCORDING TO NEW UMASS AMHERST/WCVB POLL
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
Ass to Your PervFected Death-Lusting preference for BLIND OBEDIENCE of The Cummander (even when the Cummander has gone clearly nuclearly MAD!) over preventing mass human-species suicide in a nuclear war... Read the below!
So madmen (mad, mentally unstable POTUSes) in power MUST be OBEYED, and this is FAR more important than averting a human-race-destroying nuclear war, then, in Your PervFected, mind-infected, and neglected mind, then?
This shit (threat) has happened before! Would we all be better off DEAD from NUKES, Death-Loving Wonder Child?
From "Perplexity", my fave AI...
There are accounts suggesting that Defense Secretary James Schlesinger, during the final days of President Richard Nixon's administration, gave orders to the military to disregard potentially dangerous or unauthorized commands from Nixon, particularly concerning nuclear weapons. Here are the key details:
Schlesinger reportedly instructed the Joint Chiefs of Staff that any emergency orders from Nixon, including those related to nuclear weapons, should first be cleared by him or Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. This was due to concerns over Nixon's instability during the Watergate crisis, as he was under immense strain and reportedly drinking heavily
These actions were precautionary and aimed at preventing any rash or unauthorized decisions. Schlesinger's concerns were amplified by Nixon's own remarks about his power over nuclear weapons, such as his statement that he could pick up the phone and cause massive destruction in a short time
While these measures were widely reported, Schlesinger had no legal authority to override presidential orders. It remains unclear what would have happened if Nixon had issued a direct nuclear launch order
These events highlight the extraordinary steps taken by senior officials during a period of political turmoil to ensure stability and prevent catastrophic decisions.
https://time.com/5388648/watergate-nixon-anonymous-op-ed/
An Anonymous Trump Official Claims Insiders Are ‘Thwarting’ Him. That May Have Happened to Nixon Too
Good. Of course, now all the Trumpies gloating over the miraculous booming economy from these stupid tariffs will immediately switch overnight to wailing and gnashing of teeth*.
That's good too.
* I swear I did not see Use the Schwartz's comment before posting mine.
Fuck off, Sarcasmic, if you're just going to troll.
Nah. This will get straightened out. Until we exterminated the democrat party there will be a certain amount of this treasonous bullshit.
It’s what democrats do.
So, by your own claims, the economic doom you and Reason predicted failed to come to fruition and, now, The Consitution-ending WWIII nuclear holocaust of trade wars won't obliterate all mankind worse than global lockdowns ever could unchecked. And this is after four prior years of the walls closing in and the ascendance of Hitler II...
...and, somehow, it's the Trumpies who are crying out their uncontrollable angst against the wailing wall.
You continue to beclown yourself.
TACO. Trump Always Chickens Out. So of course the bad consequences were always avoided.
Again... Particularized. Not broad band setting of policy.
The CIT possesses limited subject matter jurisdiction. It may hear only cases involving particular international trade and customs law questions. For example, the CIT hears disputes involving determinations made by the U. S. International Trade Commission and the Department of Commerce’s International Trade Administration regarding anti-dumping and countervailing duties (imposed when a foreign producer sells a product in the United States at a price that is below that producer’s sales price in its home market), protests filed with U.S. Customs and Border Protection regarding classification of goods and imposition of duties, decisions regarding Trade Adjustment Assistance by the U. S. Department of Labor or U.S. Department of Agriculture for workers and sectors injured by increased imports, and customs broker licensing. An exception to the CIT’s jurisdiction arises under the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement, whereby in cases involving antidumping and countervailing duties imposed on Canadian or Mexican merchandise, an interested party can request that the case be heard before a special ad hoc binational panel.
https://bostonbar.org/journal/the-united-states-court-of-international-trade/
So libertarians for judicial supremacy beyond scope of powers?
Ah poor baby.
And here is where you show your ignorance and inability to comprehend the coequal branches.
You believe a lower court has precedence over elected political offices. That they can overrule an article 2 branch despite being outside of the scope of their jurisdiction.
You are a sarc like retard. =)
You believe elections rule everything, aka a mob rule democracy. Yet when Biden was abusing his elected office, you were full of "It's a Republic not a Democracy!" Nothing like consistency to ruin your day, eh?
Well, just for fun, here's a refresher on Trump's tariff inconsistency, which you have still not rebutted. Maybe it slipped your mind.
Trump doesn't know what tariffs are and he doesn't know what he wants to do with them.
* He wants to protect domestic industry; onshore it. That requires raising tariffs so high that no one buys imports, and never lowering them.
* He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.
* He is using high tariffs as a bargaining weapon to force reciprocal tariffs. That requires the possibility of lowering tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.
* He is using high tariffs to force trade deals with zero tariffs, which prevents blocking imports to protect domestic industry.
Wow. Lots of ignorance and sarc like redirection.
Now. Do you have an intelligent argument? Maybe some failed predictions?
I'm sorry you've looked like a retarded fool the last few months. Take a moment and reflect that maybe economics can't be described by a first order linear model. Once you realize that, let's chat. Until then... lol.
Can't rebut, once more. Never have, never will. Trump is always right, no matter how incoherent and inconsistent he is.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
And all the MAGA trolls would have believed it.
Wut?
Trump isn’t abusing his office. Try again. Or just stop.
He had no authority to impose these tariffs. That is abuse. No, it isn't abuse, it is dictatorship.
And his attempt to force private businesses to do what he wants is literally what Mussolini did.
The law, and the courts, say otherwise. Funny how you never didn’t say anything when Biden was issuing tariffs.
Bit that’s (D)ifferent, right fag?
He wants to replace the income tax with tariff revenue. That's impossible if tariffs are high enough to block imports to protect domestic industry.
And that one would also require actually cutting the size of government by a lot.
LMAO. Republicans for Executive Order Taxation are complaining about judicial overreach is just too fucking hilarious. Live by the living constitution theory, die by it.
Live by the living constitution theory, die by it.
Just like a Democrat to whine about how their head or their business is on the chopping block on the one narrow issue in their one narrow supply chain pet issue, and then make a statement like this as though they're completely oblivious to the fact that they were *just* whining about being lined up to be shot first.
Living or dead letter doesn't say shit about your business either way. One way gets you (and everyone else) compulsory diversity hires, efficiency regulations that your customers can't afford or won't buy/pay for, you and your laborers paying for other peoples' college education, illegal immigrants undercutting all of it while (allegedly) voting for it, the other one marginally increases costs and reduces supplies of some raw materials temporarily and mostly as a reactionary measure.
Whether being killed by a living Constitution, the fading of the dead letter, or dereliction of duty, The Republic is dying, and you're cheering against the side that doesn't overtly *want* to castrate children, malign girls and women, lock people in their homes as foregone conclusion or SOP, and eat the rich and give their property and businesses to the people they know will mismanage it in the name of equity.
And this isn't overreach at all. This is a legitimate court acting within its statutory jurisdiction.
For us normal folk, a sensible and predictable decision that understands the purpose and text of the IEEPA correctly (i.e. having *some* power to do *certain* things does NOT mean do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-in-perpetuity).
For the Church of Trumpology, though - whoa boy.. I mean, we know these no-nothing Judges are totally rogue and definitely Libtards. But what other ways is the system failing poor Trump?
Ironic since the legislation establishing the court gives them limited and particular jurisdiction.
But you're a leftist. So you dont care.
And you're a Trumpie and don't care about anything else.
He’s pretty dumb too.
Those three judges were two Trump appointees and one Reagan.
What really surprises me is that there are FORTY FIVE currently active states of emergency under that IEEPA - 11 by Trump. The law requires that each of them be reauthorized every 6months or they expire. Only 17 declared IEEPA emergencies have been allowed to expire in the 50 years of this law. A law which was intended to give Congress more oversight over what was then four unauthorized but still active emergencies (under the 1917 Act).
Congress needs to be held accountable with bullets in the head. By definition, no emergency should ever be allowed to stretch beyond the sitting Congress it was issued in. The provisions should either be normalized or ended. If it is unconstitutional to normalize them - which probably is the case for all the sanctions stuff - keeping them as unconstitutional emergencies doesn't make them constitutional
The SC should terminate every one of these old emergencies.
But it won't.
Trump is expertly unmasking the tyrants. It is obvious that these unelected ideologues in black robes truly believe they have the power to tell the chief executive how to run the executive branch of government. I suspect that Trump is just baiting the trap and these fools are taking the bait. Every thing he is doing is by design.
It has already been appealed.
It’s all part of his plan to reveal the corruption masquerading as the rule of law within the judiciary.
This isn't "running the executive branch" it is levying taxes not approved by Congress.
Do you even know which laws the Trump administration invoked?
He doesn’t know and wouldn’t understand if he read them.
Cite?
Trump violated the law. It is the duty of judges to stop the administration from violating the law. This is not judges telling Trump how to run the EB, this is Congress telling the president how to run the EB and the judges enforcing that.
I asked Charlie. Which law do you think he violated. Did you read the law?
You know what? You're both retarded. So cite what was violated.
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618
You, who never answer anybody else, think you deserve an answer to your own questions?
How dare you!
Nah. You’re just mad that he’s right.
But feel free to pout.
Read the decision. They say what laws were violated.
MAGA trolls are illiterate.
Maybe Tony will bottom you if you keep trying to reinforce his gibbering.
Are you attempting to defend Trump's use of that law to impose a tariff on imported iPhones?
It was the job of lawyers defending Trump's actions (and you, since you seem to be defending his actions here) to point out the parts of the law that authorized those actions. It was not the job of the plaintiffs (or anyone posting here) to identify the parts of the law that explicitly deauthorizes such actions.
IMVHO no libertarian or enemy of authoritarians would base their argument on a premise that an authority is authorized to do literally anything not explicitly disallowed.
It is fascinating how what is supposed to be a Libertarian site is now a center for people promoting policies that are remarkably similar to those of Mussolini.
Yes, and remarkably similar to those of Shitler ass well!!!
I wasn't going to go there, but yes, especially with his plans to strip tens of millions of Americans of their citizenship.
YOU favor policies similar to Mussolini. Democrats are the epitome of the far left.
This is some embarrassing cope.
Funny that the pundits who have been the most embarrassingly wrong about the effect of the tariffs (like Boehm) are the happiest about this
Notice they’ve stopped talking about Trumps polling as well.
If you want change, you have to demand the status quo. - Reason.
Reason: “It’s pure happenstance that every position we take aligns with the Democratic Party.”
Turns out they really wanted the 'Clean and Articulate' Hope and Change of a 'the most important thing' President.
Actual meritorious change and broad, wide prosperous diversity aren't just something they don't want, just acknowledge can exist and refuse to accept, but they don't even really believe can or should exist.
Not wrong. Trump has always backed off the worst tariffs thus the situation that the pundits spoke about has not happened. TACO.
This is cope.
Those of us paying attention have been saying that this is exactly what Trump would do. And now that it's come to pass pretty much exactly as we've predicted, somehow you idiots were right and we were wrong, lol.
Correctly predicting that Trump would throw world trade into chaos without thought only to reverse himself every week is not the achievement you think it is.
You never read his book, did you?
"Additionally, the plaintiffs argued that Congress could not constitutionally delegate such sweeping tariff powers to the executive branch."
Well HELLO!!!! It's about time .... After 100 F'EN YEARS to finally get it right.
Now why am I concerned this has everything to do with Blockading Trump and nothing to do with that statement of concern ... like that BS precedence will return automatically the day Trump leaves office?
Oh maybe it's because it's taken 100 F'EN YEARS to say it. I hope this order does hold-up on those grounds alone and that they are upheld Post-Trump as well. It's time to STOP the BS. Perhaps the best thing that will come from the Trump Administration is Nazi-Democrats destroying all the Power-madness they PUT THERE.
That is one possible outcome, finally freaking out Democrats so much that they actually want to reduce executive power. But!
* They're out of power now, so they can't do anything about it.
* Next time they get in power, they'll change their mind and not want to do anything about it.
So I'm a pessimist on much actually changing.
* Next time they get in power, they'll change their mind and not want to do anything about it.
Definitely. We've seen that pattern repeat countless times.
If this decision stands, and I think it will, we will be saved from the worst effects of these tariffs. Trump has probably tainted his name beyond repair for the general public, but the GOP can be salvaged.
They're not our friends, but at least better on many issues and the chances of a Newsom or AOC as next pres just went down a little.
This is pretty much where I’m at. I’m not fond of the lawfare. In many cases it’s absolutely absurd. But I also don’t think the executive has, or should have, the power to levy tariffs how he pleases, particularly when done as haphazardly as Trump has done it.
I also see many of the problems Trump sees in international trade, and I don’t mind the idea of using tariffs as a very blunt political instrument on a short term basis. It’s far better than many of the alternatives. But even if that’s the intention, the amount of economic disarray the fucked implementation has caused shows exactly why one person shouldn’t wield that sort of power.
This is a job for Congress, even if we all know they won’t do shit.
We need to concentrate on building up American businesses, not tearing down foreign ones.
The foreign businesses aren’t the problem, it’s the foreign governments.
I hear foreign women have stinky vaginas! Except women from Slovenia.
I hope this order does hold-up on those grounds alone and that they are upheld Post-Trump as well. It's time to STOP the BS. Perhaps the best thing that will come from the Trump Administration is Nazi-Democrats destroying all the Power-madness they PUT THERE.
THANK YOU! Couldn't agree more. End the imperial presidency!
Actually 91 years. The Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act gave FDR the power to reduce or increase tariffs for three years. It somewhat countered the horrible consequences of the Smoot Hawley law. Congress even then didn't have the guts to reduce tariffs on its own -- too many pigs at the trough.
The SC should reset every tariff set after 1933 to zero because they were not enacted by Congress.
If you really want to be a stickler about federal laws, then Medicare, SS, am pretty much every entitlement program should be immediately canceled. As they ar win no way authorized by the constitution.
So you’re for that too?
Well said, TJJ.
So now all the countries that tariff our exports can do so with impunity?
Why not? Decriminalizing shoplifting worked out so well.
"Now"? Seems like that's been going on for a long time. Congress has had plenty of time to do something or even make a law that actually delegates the power to the executive.
And taxing imports really is not parallel to petty theft (except, of course, in the taxation is theft sense, but that's always been legal and applies to all taxes).
Hey Ye Esteemed Greasy-Pants!!! Protectionism does SNOT work at ALL!!! Just 'cause Emperor Xi tariff-taxes HIS peasants... Emperor TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer should tariff-tax the shit out of HIS peasants and peons ass well??!? WTF, tariffs-taxes lover-fucker?!?!?! He who taxes HIS peasants the MOIST, wins? Is THAT Your PervFected Message? Are we peasants even to be ALLOWED some Vaseline during this process?
https://reason.com/2020/01/22/trump-campaigned-on-saving-factory-jobs-but-u-s-manufacturing-just-went-through-a-year-long-recession/
Clear-cut case below, showing the UTTER FAILURE of protectionism in general, and Trumpist protectionism specifically:
Meanwhile in the real world…
https://reason.com/2019/04/22/trumps-washing-machine-tariffs-cleaned-out-consumers/
Trump’s Washing Machine Tariffs Cleaned Out Consumers
A new report finds the tariffs raised $82 million for the U.S. Treasury but ended up increasing costs for consumers by about $1.2 billion.
PROTECTIONISM DOESN’T WORK!!! DUH!!!
Protect American washing-machine makers from Chinese competition? The FIRST thing that American washing-machine makers do, is jack UP their prices… AND the prices of dryers to boot, too! To SOAK the hell out of all of us consumers!!!
From the above-linked Reason article about washing machines…
“All told, those tariffs raised about $82 million for the U.S. Treasury but ended up increasing costs for consumers by about $1.2 billion during 2018 … (deleted). Although the trade policy did cause some manufacturers to shift production from overseas to the United States in an effort to avoid the new tariffs, the 1,800 jobs created by Trump’s washing machine tariffs cost consumers an estimated $820,000 per job.”
Summary: Nickels and dimes to the USA treasury; boatloads of pain for consumers. USA jobs created? Yes, at GREAT expense! Putting these 1.8 K workers on a super-generous welfare program would have been WAY better for all the rest of us! Plus, you know the WORKERS don’t make super-huge bucks (no $820,000 per job for THEM); the goodies flow to the EXECUTIVES at the top of the washing-machine companies! The same ones who play golf with The Donald, and join him for gang-banging Spermy Daniels! Essentially at our expense!
If other countries want to impoverish themselves with high taxes, that just makes the US more prosperous by comparison.
The EU is protectionist, and also imposed austerity policies at the behest of Merkel. Decades ago, the EU was as wealthy as the US. As late as 2008, the US had a per capita GDP that was 31% higher than that of the EU. By 2023 it was 100% higher. Almost all of that increased margin was during the Obama and Biden Administrations. Expect that the gap will narrow under Trump and not because the US is going to have a growth spurt.
Cool story bro. Did MSNBC tell you to say that?
And we know how important this is because lower courts are never being slapped down and overturn by appellate courts when it comes to Trump's policies.
This court has the status of an Appeals Court. The appeal will be directly to the Supreme Court. It can ignore the text of the law to overturn the decision.
I suspect this means the Feds are going to have to pay back the collected tariffs. That will be quite interesting. As a guess, I think the amount is over $30 billion.
The MAGA Cult will complain about an increased budget deficit.
No. They will defend it by attacking anyone who points it out of opposing tax cuts and wanting higher taxes (while they demand tariffs out of the other side of their mouth) as well as defend it by attacking critics of not criticizing Democrats (which makes whatever Trump does ok).
Your kind love huge deficits.
"Also, you have to undo all the trade deals that have resulted from them. Also, we're going to need you to apologize to China and tell them how much we love their slavery. On your knees."
The federal courts are honestly just begging for their own destruction at this point. This isn't checks and balances. This is.... don't even know what this is.
Actually, I take that back. I know exactly what this is. This is what I said was so dangerous about politicizing the word "emergency." Arguing about what color drapes fit best with the wallpaper is an "emergency," but the fact that the house is on fire is not. The cult of relativism strikes again.
We really need to kill those guys. It's an emergency.
On the plus side, it's going to end the Democrat Party forever. Everybody can see what's happening here, as clear as they can see what was happening with Joey Senility. If the Democrats see the Presidency again in my lifetime, or the lifetime of the next generation, I'll be genuinely shocked.
Two of the three judges were Trump appointees. The third was Reagan.
Devious D's
You'll notice I didn't say anything about Trump or who appointed who or any of that nonsense or blah-de-blah-de-blah.
You are a politicized clown, JF. You can only see things through that simpleton binary dynamic. The fact that you even think that "Trump/Reagan appointed them, therefore they should be on their side" is proof enough of that. You're a useful idiot and nothing more. You and everyone like you have enraged a significant part of American society. And yea, they're not much different from you in so far as their paradigm.
But they're much more pissed. I don't support their decisions, but I support their belief that people like you absolutely have what's coming to you. They intend to crush you under their heel, and you have no meaningful response or defense to it - just hearkening back to the mindless partisanship believing its collectivism will save you. Maybe you think the media will save you, lol. Or, lmao, that "you'll be on the right side of history."
Your death will be a whimper, JF. There will be no bang.
You complained about a nonexistent Democrat Party.
You’re correct that the democrat party should not be allowed to exist.
I was just pointing out that they'll be the ones to bear the brunt for the Courts thwarting Trump's heavily supported efforts. That's why I said it doesn't really matter who nominated who. At the end of the day, the American people said by an overwhelming margin that they want the illegals out, they want other nations forced back to the table for trade negotiations, they want the DEI crap out of any place that gets a tax dollar, they want the rainbow cult child mutilation stopped, and they social experimentation in the military stopped and them turned back into trained killers again.
They're not getting any of that. Not from lack of effort on the Administration, but because all those things that America wants are being frustrated for pretty obviously specious and partisan reasons. (Constantly calling the Administration and its supporters names doesn't help either.)
And don't think it stops with the judges and the leftist bureaucracy. Whole lotta people who are all kinds of pissed about Congress taking a nap instead of codifying DOGE's efforts. GOP Primary's ought to be real interesting this time around.
All that's happening is that the core pillar of America - justice - is eroding and people are starting to wonder if their vote even matters anymore.
I, for one, have my suspicions that's a feature not a bug in what these leftists are doing.
Nothing real,y gets fixed until the left is exterminated in this country.
If the trade deals haven't been approved by Congress they are null and void.
Flagged for call for violence.
AT calling for violence and murder? There's a first.
I’m calling for you to harm yourself. So flag that, you retarded pinko.
Gay.
Nobody likes a tattletale. Especially ones that intentionally misunderstand to justify the tattling.
Arguing about what color drapes fit best with the wallpaper is an "emergency," but the fact that the house is on fire is not. The cult of relativism strikes again.
Several plumbing leaks are rotting the structural members and washing out the foundation, but the whole house isn't going to collapse *tomorrow*. The real emergency is that the guy trying to do something about some/any of it isn't a/the certified plumber!
I think you nail it with the abuse/politicization of emergency. If emergency laws do allow this, they are badly written. If "emergency" is up to the executive to define, then it's basically an enabling act, not emergency powers. Not all bad situations are emergencies.
Trump is trying to do what no English monarch had tried to do since Charles I: levy taxes without legislative approval. Charles I literally lost his head for doing that.
Yet Trump defenders still believe it's ok for one man to issue taxes on us by diktat. They are a disgrace.
+1
Never-mind it is a blatant TDS lie.
As-if E.O. Tariffs never happened before Trump... /s
You and Sarc are literally the definition of party-partisan gangsters.
Course that's as intelligent as Democrat SFB gets isn't it.
It's all about [WE] Identify-as packing Gov-Guns of entitlement against those 'icky' characters.
The difference between a principled person like myself and a Trump bootlicker like you is that I say a president unilaterally imposing taxes is terrible and unconstitutional no matter which party they belong to. Whereas unprincipled sycophants like you will rightly condemn Democrats, but then defend and praise Trump.
You're not a libertarian. You're not a conservative. You don't support limited government. And you certainly have no principles.
You're just an empty shell who hates Democrats, and then takes on and defends the beliefs and policies of anyone who feeds that hatred.
Who's the "Trump bootlicker" ... Sarcs principles (Self-Projection 101).
"Look an elephant!" ... Charliehall (Avoids the topic).
U2 will never stop your childish games because it's about gangster affiliation and nothing else.
It is a lie that Charles I lost his head? Did you ever take Modern European History?
Flagged for calling to assassinate the president!
"Tariffs are taxes!" *drink*
We have a problem with over zealous Lower Court Judges, an over active Executive Branch, with the Legislative Branch and Supreme Court asleep at the wheel for the most part.
+1
And that's just internal to our own government. And the people shouting "OMG! Can you believe what *this* overactive Executive tried to do *today*!" the loudest, intentionally or not, aren't serious about any of it.
This court has the status of an Appeals Court.
An Existential Battle
These United States have drifted far from the sacred shores of the Founding Fathers' vision for their creation. We have reached the point of an existential crisis to maintain the American Empire.
We have inflicted the damage upon ourselves — damage to all four cornerstones of any society; namely, government, law, education, and medical delivery. Like every great nation before us, we are committing suicide.
“An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.” -Arnold Toynbee (1889-1975)
So, is there a solution? Yes. What?
Mr. Trump's theatrical approach to the battle is a series of fluctuating, often self-contradictory tactics and no strategy. No strategy, no victory.
Mr. Trump needs a comprehensive, cohesive strategy such as the scientifically-based one offered in the novel, Retribution Fever, advertised in The Epoch Times and in the hands of the ten people closest to the President. Will they avail themselves of that strategy? Do any of them offer a viable alternative?
damage to all four cornerstones of any society; namely, government, law, education, and medical delivery
The fuck? You are not a serious person. Not even academically or in the abstract.
You may as well have said, "all four cornerstones of any society; namely, social contract, criminal punishment, Ferrari sports cars, and pink unicorns".
But "scientifically based" government always works out so well.
I think he cut and pasted that. In any event, it’s bullshit.
These United States have drifted far from the sacred shores of the Founding Fathers' vision for their creation. We have reached the point of an existential crisis to maintain the American Empire.
Sentence 1: Reference the "Founding Fathers' vision" for the United States.
Sentence 2: Say that there is a crisis in maintaining "the American Empire."
Why didn't your head explode from extreme cognitive dissonance?
"Mr. Trump needs a comprehensive, cohesive strategy "
See, the problem is that you're playing checkers. Your mind cannot grasp the comprehensiveness.
This is a game. Yes the court has, correctly, ruled that Trump does not have these powers under IEEPA. Congress DOES have the power to give Trump a 'negotiating authority' for a tariff/tax. If what Trump is arguing is that tariffs/taxes should be part of an international negotiation. Rather than the direct constitutional role where tariffs/taxes are purely legislation from Congress.
It's called fast track authority. Congress passed that multiple times - from 1975 to 1994, from 2002 to 2011, and from 2015 to 2021. It allows Congress to work WITH the Prez to negotiate the particulars of trade agreements and in exchange the final result gets an up/down majority vote with no amendments.
But apparently Congress is, as usual dead, until it can find a corrupt angle to act on and get paid for. Trump and MAGA only want a dictatorship authority not a constitutional authority. And that final 2015-2021 authority was pissed on by R's since it was part of what would be called a Trans Pacific Partnership and R's/Trump have decided that ALL multilateral trade agreements are no longer possible and having Congress pass fast track authority for 200 or so different countries/penguins involves, well, work rather than simple posturing - so not possible.
What a dilemma.
Since Trump is at core authoritarian, he will instead invoke the Trade Act of 1974 (which created the fast track authority). Where different sections of the law can be used - 122, 301, 232, etc - for very specific purposes/authorities.
He will claim that that gives him the authority to do whatever he wants. Congress will, of course, bobble their head. And after creating chaos for another 100 days or so, a court with more balls than Congress will rule that Trump's interpretation is not constitutional.
And in the end, another 100 days of bullshit and chaos and uncertainty will stick a permanent stake in the ability of American businesses to respond to anything anywhere anytime. It will all be about paying attention to whatever Trump tweets so he will have the rapt attention of all Americans on him. Foreign companies will just ignore anything about the US from now on and go on with whatever business they can conduct globally that doesn't involve the use of the dollar.
I think that this is the right angle to argue all of this with Trump defenders. The Republican-controlled Congress could end all of this back and forth in the courts with legislation.
Of course, there are reasons why they aren't doing that.
1) Enough GOP members of Congress know that it would be utterly stupid to give any President this kind of power to disrupt international trade and U.S. investment markets, let alone give that kind of power to Trump. And that is true even if they were to write something into such a bill that tariffs set with that authority would need to be approved with majority votes after X amount of time.
And that leads to:
2) The manner in which Trump is using tariffs and threats of tariffs is too chaotic for the short-term damage caused by the uncertainty to be worth the potential benefits. Not compared to the benefits of doing the hard work of negotiating trade agreements in an intelligent fashion, for sure.