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Reason Roundup

An End to Tax on Tips

Plus: Lab-grown meat fears, DOJ inquiry into Cuomo, Kristi Noem's polygraphs, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.21.2025 9:30 AM

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Passed the Senate: Yesterday, the Senate passed the No Tax on Tips Act 100–0, which "creates a federal income tax deduction of up to $25,000 a year for certain types of cash tips for eligible employees," per The Washington Post. ("Cash tips" include tips given not just in cash but also via credit and debit cards.) This applies to employees earning $160,000 or less annually.

Waiters, bartenders, delivery drivers, strippers, taxi drivers, and many others stand to benefit from this. But isn't the obvious outcome customers simply tipping less, realizing that the workers they were tipping now get to keep more of what they earn (if they were reporting it as taxable income at all in the first place)?

Other fun ideas here:

No Tax on Tips Act has passed the Senate

Want to give both you and your buddy a $25,000 deduction for the year? Both of you sign up to deliver on DoorDash, order a Starbucks latte that your friend delivers for you, and generously thank each other with a $25k tip! pic.twitter.com/lLjlSi5wtw

— Jay???? (@jayluxeed) May 20, 2025

If you actually wanted to help the household budgets of working-class people, the best thing you could do is refrain from imposing 10 percent across-the-board tariffs (and more for goods imported from China). It's not clear to me that no taxes on tips, though President Donald Trump touted it repeatedly from the campaign trail, will do all that much, or that there was a ton of accurate tip-reporting happening in the first place.

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But it makes sense that Trump—always politically minded—pursued this: "Trump is right to want to get rid of taxes on tips, primarily because it's a heavy paperwork load and it generates practically no revenue," writes Jared Dillian for Reason. "Promising to get rid of it was a downright genius political move because it appealed to the 4 million workers in tipped occupations, and he was buying those votes for practically nothing." But it also creates an opportunity for people to try to categorize their normal income as tips, and how much they can now get away with remains to be seen.


Lab-grown meat discourse: Please forgive me, it's all playing out on X, and I'll attempt a synopsis—with heavy excerpting—here, because I think discussions of lab-grown meat bans sometimes fail to convey the deeper fears present.

"RWers in red states are banning lab grown meat because it will be used as a a cudgel against them in the future," wrote an anon on X. "There is no faith that lab grown meat will be on an even playing field in the market. It will be used for Dekulakization if the opportunity presents itself." You can't ban beef cow farmers, he adds, but you could do carbon emissions offsets, mandate more humane treatment of animals raised for slaughter, or harass farmers in a bunch of other ways so that their old models are no longer economically viable. And the alternative is right there! "Lab grown meat is just *slightly* worse," he adds. "Just a tiny tiny bit. How can you assure me this isn't the food version of shutting my engine off at the red light, of making my dish washing machine/washing machine/dryer just slightly worse?"

It's true: Under the guise of environmentalism, we've been forced to accept slightly worse alternatives—paper straws, those crappy coffee-cup lids that don't actually work, paper bags in lieu of plastic, A.C. mandates (mostly in European countries) that force businesses and public buildings to be kept just a little hotter to reduce energy consumption—in blue cities and states especially. It's never too big of an imposition for people to revolt, but it makes life marginally worse.

"This is a really good thread of why people are disinclined to permit lab-grown meat," writes PoliMath. "It feels like a back door to banning real meat and people are really sick of being tricked and forced into accepting shitty things they don't want."

But this is classic conservatism, counters The Atlantic's Derek Thompson, who summarizes the PoliMath position as "I'm afraid that the emergence of new things will mean I won't be able to enjoy my old things."

"'If we allow this new thing to develop, the state will eventually ban this old thing I like, so we have to smother the infant tech in the crib' is a very very anti-progress position to take, in any field," adds Thompson. "You're basically endorsing incumbent bias as a first principle because of a make-believe fear that Democrats are on the verge of banning steak." PoliMath counters that the fear isn't make-believe, that eradicating the meat industry is the explicit, stated goal of pretty much every lab-grown meat company, and that people who seek to ban lab-grown meat aren't unreasonable to fear that wholesale replacement of the meat industry is the ultimate goal—something they'll be forced to accept for the greater good.


Scenes from New York: The Justice Department, having closed its inquiry into Mayor Eric Adams' possible corruption, has opened an inquiry into Adams' mayoral race opponent (and current frontrunner), Andrew Cuomo, for his handling of COVID as governor. Some people are criticizing this as "election interference," but it's worth asking: Do we actually have any indication that this hurts Cuomo's chances with likely voters? (Or that it's even considered relevant at all?)

All this aside, the mayoral field is mighty weak this time around. It's like we get the honor of picking between bad, big government, corrupt mayor No. 1, bad, big government, corrupt mayor No. 2, or a legit socialist who wants government-run grocery stores. I'll sit this one out, thanks.


QUICK HITS

  • "I don't think Thomas Massie understands government," said President Donald Trump to reporters, calling himself a fiscal hawk. "I think he's a grandstander, frankly. He'll probably vote [no]—we don't even talk to him much. I think he should be voted out of office. And I just don't think he understands government. If you ask him a couple of questions, he'll never give you an answer, he just says 'I'm a no.'" This is an amusing take on Massie because—of all the politicians we've interviewed on Just Asking Questions—Massie has, in my experience, been the most likely to actually give in-depth reasoning for his no votes.
  • Maricopa County taxpayers are still paying for Sheriff Joe Arpaio's immigration crackdown, eight years after he left office.
  • Polygraphs don't really work, so why is Homeland Security head Kristi Noem using them?

Kristi Noem is hooking up her employees to polygraph machines to try and find out if they're leaking to the press, per the WSJ pic.twitter.com/NExGaKanRO

— Sam Stein (@samstein) May 21, 2025

  • Tim Walz says, "We had the most qualified person who'd run for president in this country's history at the top of the ticket."

The Rehearsal: Kamala Harris used aides as actors in a "mock soiree" to practice mingling authentically. pic.twitter.com/vQsDYNy5yB

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Yesterday, the Senate passed the No Tax on Tips Act 100–0...

    They don't want their food spat in.

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    1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

      I don't tip - Mr. Pink

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4sTSIYzDIk

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    But isn't the obvious outcome customers simply tipping less...

    This is one unintended consequence I don't really see coming to fruition. People are either generous tippers, "fair" tippers or stiffers. I'm not expecting a lot of movement. PROVE ME WRONG.

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      The women I’ve dated always referred to me as a “stiffer”.

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      1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

        Just a tipper.

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      2. yet another dave   2 days ago

        A generous stiffer was my nick name in remedial school

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    2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      "I should tip more because they pay taxes on this", said no one ever.

      Jesus Christ, Reason gets more pathetic every day.

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      1. Zeb   2 days ago

        No, but with the publicity around this, people might think about it. I doubt most people will change their tipping habits in the end though. The really cheap people are already tipping minimally.

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        1. Minadin   2 days ago

          Yeah this is not going to change my tipping habits.

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          1. HorseConch   2 days ago

            If anything, I may become more generous.

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      2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

        Orangemanbad>>>>>commonsense

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      3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

        Yeah I have to assume that Liz has zero experience in service work and zero exposure to the people who make a living that way. I always tip in cash and always have specifically because I don't want working people to pay taxes on my gift to them. Once again Liz reveals her bubble world elitism. I seriously doubt anybody except a total asshole is going to pull out a calculator and deduct the tax from a tip.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          I seriously doubt anybody except a total asshole is going to pull out a calculator and deduct the tax from a tip.

          Sarc doesn't tip or own a calculator.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

            Sarc probably didn’t get tips anyway. Would you expect someone who burns a steak out of spite to receive tips?

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          2. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   1 day ago

            I’ve seen assholes like Sarc in bars. Everyone hates them, amd on an unrelated note, they’re always missing teeth.

            I’ll bet Sarc has lost most, if not all, his teeth over the years of running his mouth.

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        2. DesigNate   1 day ago

          I always tried to tip in cash so they didn’t have to report all of it too. I might make my life easier and just add it on the card, but I’m definitely not tipping less.

          This is a horrible take from Liz.

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      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 days ago

        I do tip in cash instead of adding it to the bill so the server can choose to report it or not.

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    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      I'm seeing that people in Seattle, where workers are paid a "living wage" of $20/hr, are tipping less and less. Since reportable wages are WAY above the $2.65 or whatever it is federally, the whole "These people are living off of tips" argument falls flat.

      I don't go out much anymore, but when I do I'm a pretty generous tipper. I'm inclined to consider that tips are going to be tax free income now and maybe knock a 25% tip down to 20% or 20% down to 15%.

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      1. Zeb   2 days ago

        I would probably tip less there. The reason tipping is effectively obligatory in restaurants is because that is how servers get paid. If they are making $20/hr, they are no longer relying on tips to have a worthwhile income.

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        1. HorseConch   2 days ago

          I would imagine that $20/hr servers are quite a bit worse than $2.65/hr servers, but I'm yet to encounter any in the wild to prove that point.

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      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        In my years from high school to my mid-20s working in various restaurants, I got to watch in real time as the expected tip went from about 12% to 20%. These were years that inflation stayed pretty low, too. A big reason it's so expensive to eat out now is because 20% on inflated meals means a family of four is probably paying about $60-70 even at low-scale franchises like IHOP.

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        1. Eeyore   2 days ago

          Last time I went to a diner for breakfast with a party of 4 the bill with tip was $120.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

            EGGS!!!

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        2. HorseConch   1 day ago

          It costs $50-60 to feed four of us at KFC.

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    4. Zeb   2 days ago

      I would agree. I also generally assume that servers are declaring as little of their tip income as they can get away with already.

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      1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

        Yep, I worked a tipped job once. Cash tips are NEVER reported. Or so I was told.

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        1. Longtobefree   2 days ago

          "Sorry, my tip records got lost in a boating accident".

          But of course, the IRS assigns you a tip income based on a percentage of sales, so it really doesn't matter.

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          1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

            Valet parking - no sales and especially no credit card receipts.

            We were taxed automatically @ 15%. Tips were likely 50% of hourly wage.

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      2. Minadin   2 days ago

        Our 'rule of thumb' back in the day was to declare a minimum of 10% of your total sales for the evening. Which, if you averaged 15% per customer, and you're tipping out bus boys and bartenders and food runners, seems reasonable enough that it's not going to flag the IRS.

        But if that's not less than what you actually made, you were doing your job pretty poorly.

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        1. Zeb   2 days ago

          That's why I like the tipping system for restaurants, even though tipping otherwise just annoys and confuses me. It weeds out people who are bad at the job. Good servers can make good money. Bad ones usually figure out pretty quickly that the job isn't for them.

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        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

          That's pretty much how we did it at the places I worked, too. I don't ever recall anyone getting hit by an audit, so it seems to have been the best system for reporting income.

          My tax returns back then were pretty miniscule; I usually got back around $500 and my income was pretty low like it is for a lot of servers, so there wasn't ever anything to set off alarms.

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    5. Randy Sax   2 days ago

      When I go out, most of the time it's on company dime. I just stick to the 15%-20% and call it a day.

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    6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

      Thanks, Here’s 85% of a $20 bill.

      Or, can you give me a couple of ones back to offset your not paying FICA?

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    7. Overt   2 days ago

      Yes, Liz is not thinking this through. People have already expressed their willingness to spend X% on tips. They- today- are paying that fee, in order to get what they want (food, service, etc). On the margins, some people may feel like their "purchase" with a tip doesn't have to be as high, but for most intents and purposes, the preferences have been revealed.

      This is like people who were dismayed that when cable "decoupled" channels from internet, their overall monthly bill didn't change much. Sure, they didn't have to pay for all the channels they never watched, but now they have to carry $40/mo subscriptions for the shows they DO want to watch. These people didn't understand that regardless of how the product was packaged, their revealed preference was, "I will spend $250/mo to watch the entertainment I want." And so, most peoples' bills didn't change too much when they cut the cord. Again, on the margins there may have been some changes, but by and large these revealed preferences stuck.

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        That is an absolutely brilliant analysis of the cable bundling issue. It is something I have been saying, although not quite as well as you say it, from the beginning. There are two concepts that are beyond most people; marginal decision making and revealed preference. Allegedly "smart people" are forever failing to understand these two concepts and making really stupid predictions and advocating really stupid policies as a result.

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    8. MasterThief   1 day ago

      The ones who are concerned about taxes already tip in cash.

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  3. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

    .. (if they were reporting it as taxable income at all in the first place)?

    Probably not, but at least now they won’t have to fear the IRS breaking down their door in the middle of the night.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    If you actually wanted to help the household budgets of working-class people, the best thing you could do is refrain from imposing 10 percent across-the-board tariffs...

    Yes, we know you hate all factory work and don't want Americans doing it. But you weren't alive for the years when auto workers made as much as the Pope. They were the heady days of union labor with a shiny bass boat in every garage. LET THE PRESIDENT COOK.

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    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

      Factory work to the Reasonistas always means sewing Nikes and never aircraft or automotive manufacturing.

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        And most definitely not processor or microchip manufacturing.

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      2. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

        That seems to be the leftist argument.

        They'd shit themselves if they saw what happens in the logging industry, including the "automated" lumber mills.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

          Yep. It’s not Paul Bunyan any longer.

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          1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   1 day ago

            Or this…….

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRdur8GLBM

            Or maybe it is under the democrats?

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Reason, and some who agree with them, think tariffs are passed along to cost on a 1:1 basis. They are not.

      Meanwhile they advocated paying more income taxes to help pay for welfare and food stamps at a much higher cost. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

        Double straw man.

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        1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   1 day ago

          It isn’t. Boehm pushes that narrative here daily.

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      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

        It's kind of like saying that every time diesel goes up 10% everything on the truck costs 10% more. It don't work that way.

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        1. Overt   2 days ago

          For fucks sake, no one is saying that.

          If you increase the cost of diesel then you are increasing an input cost for industry. Either prices will go up for consumers (if they will bear it) or the costs will be expressed in other ways (reduced service features, layoffs, or reduced expansion plans). The exact expression will vary across industries depending on the elasticity of demand and other variables in each organization.

          When Trump's steel tariffs in 2017 (?) hit, I was just able to get a BBQ before the prices shot up by 25%. But other goods that rely less on steel (or could switch to alternatives) did not pass on the same cost increases. Nobody is insisting otherwise, and trying to nitpick and caricature the arguments against tariffs does not do your side any good.

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          1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            When Trump's steel tariffs in 2017 (?) hit, I was just able to get a BBQ before the prices shot up by 25%

            I will take "Things that Never Happened for $500, Alex".

            Bullshit. Show me the proof that the cost of barbeques went up 25% because of steel tariffs. Doesn't your ass ever get sore from you pulling so many things out of it?

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

              And agree. This entire statement did not happen.

              I work in a business that utilizes a shit ton of various minerals. Steel, titanium, aluminum. At no time did costs jump 25%

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          2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

            Eric Boehm is literally implying that in almost every article be pushes. When he does use numbers, he does cost of tariffs by multiplying import totals by tariffs percent.

            Corporate news is also doing that.

            So don't lie and say nobody is doing that. Sarc and STG do it as well.

            This is why they have been wrong with every news report.

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            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 day ago

              “..,,and STG do it…”

              Dude, are you dyslexic? I think the guy is kind of a drama queen myself, but I don’t get the purposeful rearrangement of those letters every single time. Is that supposed to be a dis?

              I don’t get it.

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              1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   1 day ago

                Autocorrect?

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      3. Overt   2 days ago

        "Reason, and some who agree with them, think tariffs are passed along to cost on a 1:1 basis. They are not."

        There is a cost to every tariff, otherwise they would be useless as a political tool. Sometimes that cost is a 1:1 increase in the price of goods to the consumer. Other times it is an unseen cost, like the importer laying off staff, reducing features in their products, or reducing expansion plans. Usually it is a mix of multiple reactions. But there is always a cost.

        What really bugs me is how often the Right undermines their own moral foundations just to get a tactical win. Make no mistake: The principles of economics favor the economic freedoms that were typical of the right through the 80s and 90s. We won the cold war because leftist economics DO NOT WORK- because the left regularly ignored unseen costs and underestimated the power of dynamism in free markets.

        I get it- sometimes, in rare cases, the tradeoffs of this dynamism and freedom may result in problems- especially when belligerents (e.g. China, corrupt government) use the power of free markets to strengthen their position as oppressors. In those cases it is perfectly reasonable to make the argument that "In this case, the costs of infringing the markets is acceptable to stop this belligerent."

        But that isn't what the right is doing here- they are instead undermining one of their greatest assets in the war of hearts and minds. Instead of making arguments on the merit ("Yes, there are economic costs but they are worth it..."), they give the left a strategic victory for this tactical win. This ALWAYS benefits the left, who will use the rope doled out by the right to hang them later. The right sold out its soul to create the Patriot Act, and create the template of Obamacare. And now they are abandoning the bedrock principles of economics for their next win. It will not end any better.

        These are basic axioms. Denying them is EXACTLY what the left does when they insist that there aren't costs for increasing the Minimum Wage. "It doesn't increase costs to the consumer! It doesn't cost jobs!" When calculating production costs, minimum wage and tariffs are economically the same. And the people on the right insisting that economics doesn't apply to increasing the costs of foreign goods are only undermining principled foundations- allowing the left to make the same arguments about unions, minimum wage, and carbon taxes in the future.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

          Make no mistake: The principles of economics favor the economic freedoms that were typical of the right through the 80s and 90s.

          And here is where you have fallen for the lies of what actually occurred over those decades. It was managed, not free. Large trade bills discussing caps, tariffs, regulations, etc. Sure people screamed free trade. It was not.

          During that time you saw countries take advantage theough these deals. Some worked out for the US, some disadvantages them.

          Until you realize that what you claim is economic freedom you won't be able to have a real discussion om the topic.

          During this very time we saw trade embargoes. Large tariffs against countries like India. Defense of industry against Japan.

          You're pushing a lie.

          You're doing exactly what you accuse me of. Ignoring the costs of your ideals, just demanding they were better and more free, absent any and all actual analysis.

          In the time you're so fond of welfare jumped significantly. Jobs were offshore causing the impetus of this. Import poverty, offshore industry. Leading to dependency of the population and the country. While other countries fought for advantage through trade agreements.

          You're literally accusing others of acting one way while doing the same exact thing.

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  5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'If you actually wanted to help the household budgets of working-class people, the best thing you could do is refrain from imposing 10 percent across-the-board tariffs (and more for goods imported from China).'

    Liz, I assume that when we get into a shooting war with China, you will be the first to enlist.

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    1. Zeb   2 days ago

      Not sure how that follows.

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      1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

        China attempting to collect unpaid bills.

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      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        China has openly discussed their desire to end western manufacturing to impost a dependency they can use for political power.

        Also given historical estimates customers will at most see 0.5% of a cost increase. Atl fed estimates only 5% of tariffs get passed to consumer.

        This repeated narrative is done dishonestly.

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        1. Dillinger   2 days ago

          is it dishonest or free minds, free markets if you're accepting money to repeat the narrative?

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        2. HorseConch   2 days ago

          It will upset their benefactors, but tariffs on most of those goods will just decrease margins. Consumers are only going to pay so much for an iPhone or a pair of Nikes that are probably 70-80% gross margin items. Most of the Chinese manufacturing comes with obscene margins that will erode before consumers accept gawdy pricing.

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        3. Zeb   2 days ago

          Still not sure how that leads to an assertion that people who think tariffs are bad for consumers should be eager to enlist for war with China.

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          1. Dillinger   1 day ago

            not that difficult to slope-out the theory

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          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

            Are you dim. Let me explain in small words.
            1. People buy lots of stuff from China.
            2. China gets lots of money.
            3. China spends the money on their military.
            4. China uses military power and eventually starts a war with us.
            5. People who helped cause the war should take responsibility.

            I know modern liberal-tarians struggle with responsibility, but FAFO.

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            1. Zeb   1 day ago

              And which of us does not buy stuff from China? It's only liberals and liberaltarians that do? I suppose you are entirely unsullied by Chinese goods and are completely innocent in all of this.

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          3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

            We're already in an economic war with China. Have been for decades. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            They steal and manipulate the markets at much higher costs than these tariffs as well.

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  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    ...I think discussions of lab-grown meat bans sometimes fail to convey the deeper fears present.

    THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR BEEF CATTLE. This is no joke. Have you seen Yellowstone? Salt of the earth, and the elite are trying to make us all eat the test tube cockroaches instead of good, healthy red meat, the way God intended.

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    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

      A pox on the eggheads. They know what they're doing with this. They're trying to solve a problem they invented, not one the rest of us suffer.

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        You can't hate intellectuals enough.

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      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        At least their solution is only 50% costlier without even having to use a tariff.

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      You vill eat zee bugz and like it

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    3. mad.casual   2 days ago

      Liz, doing her best to handle it at arms' length, still keeps saying "back door" like lab-grown meat is the camel's nose in the tent rather than the hump. CA and other places already regulate meat production and consumption via the mechanisms stated and for the reasons stated. It's not like it's a secret. It's overtly stated as the plan.

      The "back door" is the part that Thompson and PoliMath continue to hide: lab-grown meat is far more expensive and resource intensive than naturally-occuring meat *and* other meat and protein sources and required/requires government intervention to even exist, let alone be feasible even 50 yrs. down the line. The fact that it is more resource intensive will be used as further justification for further seizure/control of *other* resources (under the same guises by which meat and oil are already being seized and regulated out).

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      1. Jefferson Paul   1 day ago

        I'm not a fan of lab-grown meat in general, but especially if it is going to lead to government bans on real meat production, or even subsidies to spur it on. And as you say, it's way more expensive and resource-intensive, now. That being said, if left alone, and there is a market for it, I imagine the cost to produce the lab-grown meat will drop, as almost all technology costs tend to go down over time, especially with market forces.

        Still, I want no government interference in the meat industry to promote lab-grown, and any attempt to prop it up, or worse, mandate it, is entirely un-libertarian.

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    4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      First Taylor Sheridan came for your lab grown meat in Yellowstone, then he came for your clean energy in Landman. What damage will he do next?

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      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

        He’s been pretty rough on CGI apex predators in 1923

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      2. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

        I keep forgetting that I need to watch Landman.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          It is good. Also watch Mayor of Kingstown. At least first season.

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        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

          Personally, I thought it was just a glorified soap opera, but it's still worth the watch to see Billy Bob Thornton chew Sheridan's writing like a $10 steak, while Ali Larter is fully into the MILF stage of her career at this point. If Sheridan doesn't put her in a whipped cream bikini for Season 2 as a Varsity Blues callback, I'll be disappointed.

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          1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            Larter is 49 years old. Holy shit does she punch above her weight class.

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            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 day ago

              Yeah, it was a bit disconcerting watching the show to realize that she really is old enough to have had kids who are in their 20s, even though in real life she didn't have them until she was in her mid-late 30s.

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

                If you use The Formula (half your age plus 7), 49 is not that far out of sync for some of us.

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          2. Jefferson Paul   1 day ago

            Was Ali Larter the hot chick in the series Heroes? That actress was on fire! (trying to keep my comment PG).

            Also, what a disappointment that show was. Started out great, with a fantastic premise, only to progressively get worse and worse.

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            1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

              Yes she was. Larter is a smoking hot blond.

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              1. Dillinger   1 day ago

                Final Destination

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            2. DesigNate   1 day ago

              It suffered at the hands of the Writers Strike coupled with the JJ Abrams crews success of doing an awesome 1st season for any show only to completely squander it by the third.

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            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 day ago

              Yeah, that was her. Dania Ramirez was the other luscious thang in the show.

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              1. Jefferson Paul   1 day ago

                She certainly was a "luscious thang" in that show, but not on Larter's level of hotness.

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  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'But this is classic conservatism, counters The Atlantic's Derek Thompson, who summarizes the PoliMath position as "I'm afraid that the emergence of new things will mean I won't be able to enjoy my old things."'

    Is that the same Atlantic cunt who supports all sorts of government mandates for all human behavior? "New things" uber alles, right?

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      I do believe so. Of course, if it works for the Atlantic, it’s probably a major progtard to begin with.

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      1. Mickey Rat   2 days ago

        Yes, someone who might be anywhere on the right sends their staff into paroxysms of sheer terror.

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    2. THX1138   2 days ago

      "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

      How'd that work out?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        "If you like your bathroom, you can keep your bathroom"?

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        1. Roberta   2 days ago

          If you like your excreta, you can keep your excreta.

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  8. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

    Tim Walz says, "We had the most qualified person who'd run for president in this country's history at the top of the ticket."

    Tim Walz is an ignorant putz...evil bitch that she was, Clinton was SO MUCH MORE QUALIFIED than cackling Harris, who qualifications seem more in line with Monica Lewinsky's than Hillary Clinton's.

    Not sure Obama was right, but comparing Clinton to Harris, it's a no-brainer.

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    Obama says Clinton is the most qualified presidential candidate ever

    Obama hailed his former secretary of state as they stood beside each other at their first joint campaign event in 2016, calling Clinton the most qualified man or woman to ever seek the White House.

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    1. Zeb   2 days ago

      In some sense (a very bad one) she probably was, or close to it.

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      1. damikesc   2 days ago

        Somebody super qualified to be President is, likely, the last person you want to be President.

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      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Well, Clinton probably was the most qualified to run a globalist-DNC-WEF Neo-socialist DEI administration.

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        1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

          Yeah, how many Ruby Ridges and Wacos under HRC would we witness?

          Obama had his chance to mass murder Americans with Cliven Bundy, but too many men with cameras and guns showed up. Hillary is smarter than that.

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      If Tim Walz claims Kamalalalalala was the most competent candidate ever, then what does that say for how smart and intelligent Walz actually is? Is he sub-Sarc or sub-Pluggo in intelligence?

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      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 days ago

        He went full-shrike.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

          Oddly relevant if the allegations from that high school in Nebraska are to be believed.

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    3. damikesc   2 days ago

      I'd argue that Tim Walz being on the ticket at all disproves that the person at the top of the ticket was super qualified to do anything.

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      1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

        Qualified to stock the boy's room with tampons maybe.

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    4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Buzz Patterson who worked in the Clinton WH has been dropping some bombs on them.

      https://x.com/BuzzPatterson/status/1925008455204757750

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        Slick Willie liked to play grabby paws with a lot of the female staff, it seems. Any other job, and he would’ve been stripped of his position and charged.

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        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

          The reality is that #MeToo and Trump as President never would have happened if Clinton had been jettisoned as a candidate for being a poonhound back in 1992. These people were willing to overlook and be apologists for all of that because they knew Bill would advance their political agenda. The whole "character counts" thing became a joke, and the GOP voters ultimately decided they weren't going to give a shit about Trump's pussy-chasing either, because they knew he would work to advance the political agenda THEY supported.

          "He said that he could grab them by the pussy!"
          "Yeah, well, it's just about sex, don't be such a prig."

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          1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            Note that he never said he just grabbed them by the pussy. Indeed, if he had actually done that, we would have heard about it by now and the left would have a lot of credible witnesses against him rather than the absurd E. Jean "I can't remember when or how it happened, but I am sure Trump Raped me" Caroll. What Trump said was "this is how it works". When you look at things like Matt Lauer and his rape office, it is pretty clear Trump knew what he was talking about.

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            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

              I think what really bothered a lot of people about that was Trump laying out the reality that women are willing to prostitute themselves to be in the same orbit as celebrities. For fuck's sake, even leaving aside the long-known reality of the casting couch, in the last generation we've had girls at "yacht parties" using sex to get roles or modeling gigs (or in Markle's case, hook Prince Harry). Diddy wouldn't have been able to get away with his degeneracy for as long as he did if he hadn't had willing participants.

              It's the cognitive dissonance that takes place when feminists advocate for the sexual revolution and "slut walks," while simultaneously complaining about celebrities analizing hoochies in the Playboy grotto years after the fact, or Trump supposedly assaulting some hawk-faced socialite with Upper West Side rape fantasies.

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              1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

                Both the Howard and the Bolyn families happily whored out their teenage daughters to Henry VIII for wealth and power. Same as it ever was.

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                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

                  Like Lot and his daughters.

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    5. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

      I assumed he meant their opponent, who had already been POTUS once before

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    6. Moonrocks   2 days ago

      Kamala is more qualified when considering DEI requirements.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

        And compliance with the WEF.

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  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    The Justice Department, having closed its inquiry into Mayor Eric Adams' possible corruption, has opened an inquiry into Adams' mayoral race opponent (and current frontrunner), Andrew Cuomo, for his handling of COVID as governor.

    Oh, hell yes. The layers contained in this are glorious.

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    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

      Also, a hardy FU to NYC for making Cuomo the frontrunner (if he actually is and it's not something manufactured by the pollsters).

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        New York leftists love murdering old people.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          How else are you gonna get a nice rent-controlled apartment?

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  10. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

    Tim Walz says,

    That’s where i stopped reading.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Further than a Sullum article.

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        That’s a low bar.

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    2. Dillinger   2 days ago

      whatever he's saying he's thinking about eleven year-old boys.

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  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    "I don't think Thomas Massie understands government," said President Donald Trump to reporters, calling himself a fiscal hawk.

    Trump's the fiscalest of hawks. Everyone says it.

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    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

      A big beautiful hawk. You've never seen a better hawk. Everyone is saying it.

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      1. DesigNate   1 day ago

        These comments don’t exist. Nobody pokes fun at Trump.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   1 day ago

          Just ask Sarc.

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Maricopa County taxpayers are still paying for Sheriff Joe Arpaio's immigration crackdown, eight years after he left office.

    How much did they have to borrow for those pink jumpsuits?

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    1. Zeb   2 days ago

      I don't know, but they got a hell of a deal on the green balogna.

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    2. damikesc   2 days ago

      I wonder what those costs are in comparison to what they spend to take care of massive numbers of illegals.

      It might be relevant.

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  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Polygraphs don't really work, so why is Homeland Security head Kristi Noem using them?

    She had a crush on F. Lee Bailey.

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    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

      WHO HERE IS OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW?

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      1. damikesc   2 days ago

        Sam Stein? She quoted Sam Stein? Seriously?

        Do we need to look over the political coverage in the Daily Beast, the part of the useless rag that he is specifically in charge of?

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    2. SRG2   2 days ago

      Or because she's a stupid and ignorant, albeit highly shtuppable, bimbo.

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  14. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

    Imported consumer goods account for 11% of consumer spending. So, when you are talking about the horrors of tariffs, you are talking about a tax on 11% of overall spending. The Reason claims that this is going to kill the middle class, you know the people that the reason staff normally hates with a purple passion but are now suddenly so concerned about, is really one of the more outrageous of the many lies reason tells.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Yeah. Have pointed that out before. So even assuming the lie Eric pushes of all tariffs pushed to consumers, it is 1% of consumer spending. A signal that would be buried in the random noise or even the intended 2% inflation of the fed.

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    2. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

      Did you account for dead weight losses; negative feedback of down-turned economy; that US-made products contain imported components; job losses, etc.?

      Jesse will be here any second to tell you your model is too simple for the complex...oh wait...

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        We are talking about 11% of consumer spending. If you have some Rube Goldberg contraption that will explain how a few percent tax on that 11% will wreck the economy, feel free to explain. In the meantime, you are not getting away with unsupported assumptions that it will.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Reality doesn't matter to a narrative.

          I've often listed the much bigger sources of costs that get pushed to consumer costs, but the outrage is solely focused on what is essentially a minor additive cost at best.

          They dont care about reality, just the narrative. The narrative is easy. It doesn't require looking past a bumper sticker.

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        2. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

          Here:

          the Yale Budget Lab reported that the cost of Trump’s trade war will be high. Climbing prices will reduce the purchasing power of the average household by $2,800. Shoe prices will rise 15% and clothing 14%. The tariffs will shave 0.7 percentage points off U.S. economic growth this year and increase the unemployment rate — now a low 4.2% — by nearly 0.4 percentage points.

          https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/economists-say-trumps-tariffs-are-unpredictable-and-still-working-their-way-through-the-system

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          1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

            Yet, wholesale prices are declining. Sorry but predictions that have not come true are unpersuasive. Literally nothing the Yale Budget Lab, whoever they are, predicted has come to pass. It is almost like they were lying or something.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

              Hence it turning into climate science at this point. Models over measured data.

              Getting ridiculous.

              They are just as virtue signaling as the climate alarmist class as well.

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          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 day ago

            “….economists say trumps tariffs are unpredictable…..”

            Lol. The entire italicized text from the link looks remarkably like…… predictions.

            Negative ones too! Didn’t see that coming…. Haha.

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            1. Quicktown Brix   19 hours ago

              I can see why the MAGAs are trying to reject predictions (despite the fact that the whole point of politics is controlling the future) and declaring victorybefore the effects are even expected. That is because economic predictions are 100% saying this will be economically damaging and hurt US consumers.

              Enjoy the buzz now, the hangover won't be fun.

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              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   11 hours ago

                Lol. I really don’t care, Margaret. I’m just mocking the contradiction.

                The fact that you’re using links like this to peddle doom is amusing. Carry on.

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        3. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

          Four of five estimates by groups with varying political ideologies range from $3,100 to $4,900 a year;
          Center for American Progress: The liberal group estimated an average loss of $4,600 annually.

          American Action Forum: The centre-right think tank told PolitiFact that its pre-April 9 estimate of $3,900 loss per household remains a solid guess even though it was calculated using a 60 percent tariff on China, rather than the current 145 percent. Jacob Jensen, the group’s trade policy analyst, said tariffs as high as 145 percent curb consumer purchases so much that they tend to bring in less revenue than tariffs that are set at lower rates.

          Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center: The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated that the average household loss would be $3,100.

          Tax Foundation: The centre-right Tax Foundation put the average loss lower than the other four, at $1,243.
          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/6/how-much-will-donald-trumps-tariffs-cost-us-families

          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/6/how-much-will-donald-trumps-tariffs-cost-us-families

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          1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

            Prices are falling not rising. You are just giving more predictions that haven't come true. Even if they were true, the numbers when put into the perspective of the entire economy are pretty small. There are 131 million households in this country. That means if each of them pay $3000 more, that is a total of $433 billion. That sounds like a lot until you realize US GDP is $28 trillion dollars. Even by your estimates, the total cost of this amounts to around 1.5% of GDP

            You just made my case for me. Thank you much. We are talking about 1.5% of the economy at most. Hardly the great depression.

            Thanks again for you help doing my homework here.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

              And it is a false estimate by first months receipts of just... 16B. Again. They refuse to look at data.

              It is amazing watching the people who pound the table now originally understood inflation is a monetary issue. But now give up that understanding completely to pound the table here.

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        4. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

          Many trade models fail to capture the full harm of tariffs. PWBM projects Trump’s tariffs (April 8, 2025) will reduce long-run GDP by about 6% and wages by 5%. A middle-income household faces a $22K lifetime loss. These losses are twice as large as a revenue-equivalent corporate tax increase from 21% to 36%, an otherwise highly distorting tax.

          https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2025/4/10/economic-effects-of-president-trumps-tariffs?

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          1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

            Many trade models fail to capture the full harm of tariffs. PWBM projects Trump’s tariffs (April 8, 2025) will reduce long-run GDP by about 6% and wages by 5%. A middle-income household faces a $22K lifetime loss. These losses are twice as large as a revenue-equivalent corporate tax increase from 21% to 36%, an otherwise highly distorting tax.

            Are you familiar with the concept of a tautology? Or to use simpler language, begging the question? This assumes these models are right, which is basically assuming you know the answer to the question. Just stop it.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

              All models are wrong, some are useful. George Box.

              A non predictive model is generally not useful. Except to push their narratives.

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              1. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

                Find a model or any study/economist that predicts no price increases.

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        5. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

          From ChatGPT:

          Economic Analyses of Trump's 2025 Tariffs
          1. Tax Foundation

          Economic Output: A proposed 20% universal tariff combined with a 50% tariff on Chinese imports could reduce long-run economic output by 1.3% before considering any foreign retaliation.

          2. Yale Budget Lab

          Price Level Increase: The 2025 tariffs are expected to raise the overall price level by 2.3% in the short run, translating to an average per-household consumer loss of $3,800 in 2024 dollars.

          GDP Impact: Real GDP growth is projected to be 0.9 percentage points lower in 2025 due to the tariffs, with a persistent 0.6% reduction in the long run.

          Employment Effects: The unemployment rate is anticipated to rise by 0.6 percentage points by the end of 2025, with payroll employment decreasing by approximately 740,000 jobs.

          3. Harvard Business Review

          GDP Growth Reduction: The April 2 tariffs, which increased the average effective tariff rate to around 23%, are expected to lower GDP growth by 1.4% in 2025 compared to previous expectations.
          Tax Foundation+2Harvard Business Review+2The Budget Lab at Yale+2

          4. PBS NewsHour

          Consumer Impact: The tariffs are projected to reduce the purchasing power of the average household by $2,800.

          Price Increases: Shoe prices are expected to rise by 15%, and clothing prices by 14%.

          Economic Growth and Unemployment: The tariffs are anticipated to shave 0.7 percentage points off U.S. economic growth in 2025 and increase the unemployment rate by nearly 0.4 percentage points.
          PBS

          5. Center for Economic Policy Research (CEPR)

          Global Trade Impact: The tariffs have significantly affected global trade, with trade flows contracting by between 5.5% and 8.5% relative to the pre-shock economy.

          Global Value Chains: Trade flowing through global value chains has shrunk by approximately 2 percentage points more than direct bilateral trade.

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          1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

            1.3%, assuming only costs and no benefits. Shut the fuck up about this being the end of the world or having anything other than a small effect on the economy, even if you buy every bullshit globalist argument, which no reasonable person does.

            You win the prize for the own goal of the year.

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            1. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

              Find where I said it was the end of the world. My claim is that it will cause prices to rise, a downturn in the economy and job loss.

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              1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

                And prices are not rising. They are going down. It would appear there is more to this than you think there is.

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                1. Jefferson Paul   1 day ago

                  Are you claiming that the tariffs caused the prices to go down, or that something else caused prices to go down, which more than offset whatever price-raising effect the tariffs have or would have caused?

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                2. Quicktown Brix   1 day ago

                  And prices are not rising. They are going down

                  We are in deflation?
                  Who is this guy?

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  15. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Tim Walz says, "We had the most qualified person who'd run for president in this country's history at the top of the ticket."

    She seemed to know her way off a stage, so I can see why he would say this.

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  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Taiwanese Parliament member reportedly stole a bill and ran away with it to stop it from being passed

    This is the way.

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      Did he pull a fire alarm as well?

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    2. Eeyore   2 days ago

      My kind of thinking.

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      1. Fist of Etiquette   1 day ago

        LET ME FINISH. This is the way Congress can stop Trump from taking away our precious USAID. Ha!

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  17. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 days ago

    "I don't think Thomas Massie understands government," said President Donald Trump to reporters, calling himself a fiscal hawk. "I think he's a grandstander, frankly. He'll probably vote [no]—we don't even talk to him much. I think he should be voted out of office. And I just don't think he understands government.

    MOST LIBERTRIAN PRESIDENT EVER!

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      At least since Andrew Jackson.

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      1. Jefferson Paul   1 day ago

        Silent Cal says hi remains silent.

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      Remember the time you managed to get your original account permanently banned here for posting dark web hardcore child porn links?

      Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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    4. DesigNate   1 day ago

      It’s a really low bar since Calvin Coolidge. Like on the ground low.

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  18. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

    https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2025/05/20/canada-might-begin-euthanizing-kids-without-parental-consent-n4939990

    Canada now plans to murder children. No kidding. Whenever the left or their libertarian useful idiots advocate for something, take the absolute most outrageous negative predictions about it, then imagine something even worse, and that is what you will have within a few years of enacting it. I think even the biggest paranoid would not have thought state sponsored euthanasia, a favorite hobby horse of Libertarians, would end in state sponsored murder of children. Yet here we are. It is just like acceptance of adult trans would never end in autistic children being talked into castrating themselves.

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    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 days ago

      CLUB EM IN THE HAED LIKE A BABY SEAL!

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        Yes, you are murderous pedophile piece of human garbage. All leftists are. You don't need to remind us.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Buttplug is just upset about wasting perfectly good fuck toys.

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        2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Shrike doesn't want the victims of his desires left alive. So he is for this.

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      2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

        That's how Buttplug ends his victims when he's done "playing".

        I can hardly wait for the day that the cops dig up your basement floor, Plugly.

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      3. yet another dave   2 days ago

        Funny isn't it? When the method of the killing is couched in terms like "medically assisted" I think the person should be able to choose their doom, say like a guillotine, so they can spend their last few moments enjoying everyones horror at their grisly demise.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          Allowing doctors to murder their patients could never end badly. Nope. It is all about the person's right to want to be murdered or something.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            "Allowing" or "incentivizing"?

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          2. damikesc   2 days ago

            Well, we have seen "MAID" become "cost savings for the horrid Canadian health care system" in very short order.

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              You mean the whole thing is really just an excuse to kill the sick and the weak? I was assured this was all about "freedom".

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              1. damikesc   2 days ago

                The" freedom" for the government to MAKE IT RAIN, BITCHES!!!

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              2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                Like racism, the left never gave up on eugenics.

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      4. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 days ago

        How many times did this happen to you as a child?

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

          It happened to his original account here.

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      5. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        Remember the time you managed to get your original account permanently banned here for posting dark web hardcore child porn links?

        Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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      6. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

        turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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    2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

      My issue with this argument is where you draw the line between personal liberties and coercion and abuse. Children absolutely cannot consent to changing their gender. But if a 50 year old man wants to wear a dress in his free time without bothering anyone or harassing children that doesn't bother me. Saying that "personal free act x" always leads to "coercion and abuse act y" so we must restrict "personal freedom act x" is dangerous because I don't see a limit to it. Where is the line?

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        The problem is that that logic goes the other way. "We must let this person behave in this way" quickly becomes "we must force everyone to accept this" which then becomes "we must let children do this and parents have no ability to stop it". Once you have given up on the argument that some things are wrong and need to be if not prohibited shunned by society, then you have no argument left to say people shouldn't be forced to accept it and slide down the other side of the slope. Libertarians never get this and never understand how the left uses the promise of freedom as a means to advance slavery and murder.

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        1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

          "We must let this person behave in this way" quickly becomes "we must force everyone to accept this" which then becomes "we must let children do this and parents have no ability to stop it".

          I understand many, especially on the left argue this way, however I still think there is room for "We must let I don't mind if this person behaves in this way"* and then stop there. Never get to the "we must force everyone to accept this" part.

          *As long he isn't bothering anyone or committing crimes, NAP, etc.

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          1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            There is room for saying "this is deviant behavior but prohibiting it by law is counterproductive." There is room for that. Once you buy into the left's assumption that the behavior is acceptable, then you are going to end up falling right down the slope they are pulling you down.

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            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

              I will support your freedom to be as stupid as you want as long as you support my freedom to ridicule you for it. And do not demand that I save you from your consequences.

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    3. Michael Ejercito   2 days ago

      I am old enough to remember when this was advertised as a service for those who hurt kids.

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    4. damikesc   2 days ago

      Holy shit! Really? I honestly cannot think of a country ever that even considered that a remote option.

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      1. damikesc   2 days ago

        I mean, the f'n Soviet Union would not have considered murdering children with their parents not knowing.

        Should that ever become a law, I would hope to see a massive uptick in the killing of Canadian doctors and Parliament members.

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        1. Michael Ejercito   2 days ago

          How did this evolve, how did this mutate from "helping pedos off themselves" to "killing children without parental consent"?

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      2. Eeyore   2 days ago

        California and Colorado will probably follow suit a year later and make it a crime for the parent to try and stop it.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   1 day ago

          I’ll wager Illinois will beat them to the punch.

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    5. MollyGodiva   2 days ago

      As expected thr headline is bunk. Canada is debating allowing older minors to access the assisted suicide program.

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        Canada is debating allowing older minors to access the assisted suicide program.

        Canada is allowing doctors to kill minors without even their parents' knowledge. Jesus fucking Christ what the fuck has to be broken in your head to think that a minor has the capacity to choose suicide?

        You people never fail to disgust me.

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      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 days ago

        The headline is bunk how?

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      3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        "Older minor" lol.

        You're either age if minority or age if majority. It is binary in law.

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      4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

        MG.
        Is.
        Full.
        Of.
        Shit.

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      5. damikesc   2 days ago

        Holy shit, there is nothing "too far" for progressives to support.

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      6. Uilleam   1 day ago

        Evil mf

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      7. Uilleam   1 day ago

        You know that the number one killer of people throughout human history is government 'peacetime' programs. You are an evil ghoulish tool.

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      8. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

        Speaking of suicide, you should do it.

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      9. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   1 day ago

        "older minors"

        How many demons do you guys think operate the Molly sock?

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    6. Roberta   1 day ago

      OK, now justify an arbitrary age cutoff rather than objective individual determination of majority for permission to do things.

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      1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

        There is no such thing as an "objective individual determination". The individual making the determination is necessarily not going to be objective.

        Beyond that, you are talking about children killing themselves. WTF is wrong with you people?

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        1. Roberta   1 day ago

          Every time somebody takes somebody else to court, they're looking for an individual determination. It can't be objective, but it's the best we got.

          Sure, I'm talking about children killing themselves rather than being forcibly kept alive. Sometimes all choices are bad, but one is less bad than the other.

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          1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

            Yeah and it isn't ever objective. It is the best we have. It is often mistaken. This is why so many people object to the death penalty and why nearly everyone objects to applying it to minors.

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  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'Tim Walz says, "We had the most qualified person who'd run for president in this country's history at the top of the ticket."'

    If anyone know how to judge competency, it's a beta male dedicated to a party that despises competency.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Leftists seem to never tire of humiliating themselves for the party. He doesn't believe that. No one believes that. Saying it is just a way to debase and humiliate himself to show is loyalty to the party.

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      1. damikesc   2 days ago

        There is no evidence that he is intelligent enough to fake his beliefs. He really does believe it.

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  20. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'Maricopa County taxpayers are still paying for Sheriff Joe Arpaio's immigration crackdown, eight years after he left office.'

    Meh. How many people in Maricopa County would pay more today for more immigration crackdown? (And make Reason sad.)

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  21. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

    I appreciate reasons commitment to "the only thing that raises prices is terrifs" line. It shows a true commitment to retardation that I could never achieve

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      Did they get bored with open borders, free weed, and ass sex?

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        They also want cheap shit made by slave labor and food trucks.

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    2. Zeb   2 days ago

      Where are you getting "the only thing?" There's plenty to criticize without making shit up.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Don't be like Mike. They talk about tariffs most of the day, in a very dishonest manner. When was the last article about the costs of regulations, welfare, etc?

        Boehm literally had an article putting words into Subarus mouth yesterday for fucks sake.

        Stop defending this shit. Make honest arguments of this no tariff is the principle. But admit to the other shit being ignored for it.

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        1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

          Make honest arguments

          Heed your own advice. Zeb doesn't need it.

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        2. Zeb   1 day ago

          Defending what? I just want people to make honest arguments on both sides. If you think Reason is making too much of tariffs and not enough of other things, make that argument. It's a pretty easy case to make without mischaracterizing their position.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   1 day ago

            You are not asking it of both sides. Just the ones you disagree with. Did you make a comment in Eric's article yesterday?

            Ironically one side is pointing to the actual measured data. The other side keeps pointing to failed predictive models. But I've only seen you comment against the prior.

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            1. Zeb   1 day ago

              Believe it or not, it is not my primary focus in life to comment on every single thing on the Reason website. I explicitly said there was plenty to criticize about their coverage. I may broadly agree with them on tariffs, but they cover it in a very shallow way and there are other points of view that deserve some space.
              I mostly try to stay out of the whole fucking mess and engage on matters of substance (or humor), but occasionally I get slightly fed up with the constant caricaturing and mischaracterization of the positions people you disagree with take. I'm not going to argue if you say that Reason should acknowledge more when their predictions fail, or that they should publish a more diverse cross section of libertarian thought, because I agree with that. My objection was only to the ridiculous "hurr durrr, Reason says the only cause of inflation is tariffs" which is just as false as claiming that you worship Trump as a god and will defend absolutely anything he does simply because he does it.

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        3. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 day ago

          When was the last article about the costs of regulations, welfare, etc?

          Headline: How To Fix California's Self-Inflicted Homeowner's Insurance Crisis

          Excerpt: It's a foreseeable outcome of state residents voting themselves discounts at the expense of insurance companies, and of politicians catering to the public's desire to pay what they want rather than market rates.

          - JD Tucille

          Published today, 2 hours before the roundup. Covers welfare and the cost of those regulations.

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  22. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

    But this is classic conservatism, counters The Atlantic's Derek Thompson, who summarizes the PoliMath position as "I'm afraid that the emergence of new things will mean I won't be able to enjoy my old things.

    The only point behind lab grown meat is to end animal slaughter. That's it. Nothing else.

    Who the hell does the Atlantic's politruk think he's kidding.

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      Is lab grown meat organic?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        And free-range?

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      2. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        Better question: is it vegan?

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  23. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

    Trump’s shipbuilding agenda is sinking.

    Excerpts:

    Friday marks 45 days since the president signed the Executive Order mandating a full shipbuilding review in 45 days. So far, only one Cabinet Secretary has shown any urgency, and only in the past few days.

    I pray I’m missing something, but sources inside every relevant department say otherwise. There’s no indication @SecDuffy, @KristiNoem, or @SecDef are prioritizing this effort.
    …
    The acting head of MARAD is a West Point classmate of Mark Esper—yes, the same Esper who helped auction off the Army’s watercraft fleet. Sources claim he’s undermining both Trump’s and Esper’s maritime goals.
    …
    On the Navy side, there’s no serious effort underway to reorganize the 83,000-person shipbuilding & repair enterprise. The critical SUPSHIP AGM role is still up in the air.

    No admirals have been fired. No CNO appointed. The acting CNO is offering nothing but bureaucratic word salad.
    …
    No one with real, hands-on experience building commercial ships at world-class yards has been hired.

    Finally, after a promising bipartisan start, several top maritime leaders are breaking ranks publicly voicing concern about last-minute changes made to the bill and there are rumors that Mark Kelly’s strong anti-Trump rhetoric could sink the effort.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      I think 45 days is a bit early to make any judgement about this program.

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      1. damikesc   2 days ago

        Perhaps, but it is one of those things where you cannot wait to have it happen. If the military is not following orders, everybody must be court martialed until that ends.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          I agree. I also think Hegseth is totally unqualified for the job. So, I don't have much faith in him getting this done.

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    2. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      RESIST!

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  24. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqs8D3xfxsc

    Behold the story of Malcolm Caldwell. Caldwell was a committed Marxist, "expert" on Southeast Asia and a respected professor in London. In 1978, the Pol Pot government in Cambodia invited Caldwell to tour the country. Caldwell unsurprisingly was a great admirer of Pot and believed that the Khmer Rouge had finally created the communist state he had been dreaming of his entire career. After a whirlwind tour of Cambodia, Caldwell was granted an audience with the great man Pol Pot. During the audience, Caldwell praised Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge but made a couple of minor criticisms of Pot. This angered Pot. So, Pot had Caldwell shot shortly after the meeting.

    Some shit you really can't make up.

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      So he got to visit the killing fields after all.

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        Yes, he did. He didn't just visit. He got to fully experience it like the locals do. Caldwell was ahead of his time as an adventure tourist.

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    2. damikesc   2 days ago

      One would have to have a heart of stone to read the story and not laugh.

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        I would love to know what the last thought that went through his head before the bullet was.

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        1. Roberta   1 day ago

          Where's the bathroom?

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  25. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

    Lab-grown meat discourse:

    Be better if both sides just realized the real enemy was the FDA, USDA, EPA and DOE. The EPA will fuck with a rancher over irrigation (navigable waters) just as much as the lab guys trying to build their facility (environmental review). Why Biden's Build Back BS failed even by progressive standards; can't build back better if the regulators won't allow you to break ground.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      The goal of build back was to create a centralized global Marxist goverment, not to make anything better

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

        Well, it was better…for them, just not for us.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Why do you hate watermelons?

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    2. damikesc   2 days ago

      Trump's new policies on regulations could be huge for that.

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        Hopefully he gets something through Congress on that front.

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  26. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

    All this aside, the mayoral field is mighty weak this time around. It's like we get the honor of picking between bad, big government, corrupt mayor No. 1, bad, big government, corrupt mayor No. 2, or a legit socialist who wants government-run grocery stores. I'll sit this one out, thanks.

    There’s always another option, Liz, it’s called getting the hell out of New York City to someplace nicer and saner.

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  27. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

    Do we actually have any indication that this hurts Cuomo's chances with likely voters? (Or that it's even considered relevant at all?)

    Cuomo killed hundreds/thousands with his policies is all that matters. Should be investigating all those who spent trillions on this bullshit, though. Every last penny spent on any illegal payments should come out of the politicians pay or pensions. Garnish their wages.

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  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    Meanwhile, in Colorado:

    People convicted of first-degree car theft in Colorado will be unable to have a firearm under a new law signed by Gov. Jared Polis on Monday.

    House Bill 25-1171 adds the offense to the list of crimes covered by the Possession of Weapon by Previous Offender statute in the state. POWPO makes it illegal to own a firearm for people with one or more of the listed convictions on their record.

    “From now on anyone convicted of first degree motor vehicle theft (is) ineligible to possess a firearm, keeping guns out of the wrong hands and protecting our communities,” Polis said in a statement. “I am proud of our work to improve public safety in Colorado, and with this bill signed into law, I look forward to continuing our bold progress to protect Coloradans and our communities.”

    Still dreamy?

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      Up next in Colorado: Everyone is guilty of first degree car theft.

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    2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Polis loves abortion, illegal aliens, and drugs. Polis remains Reason's dream candidate, because abortion, drugs, cheap slave labor and ass sex are all they care about.

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    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

      People convicted of first-degree car theft in Colorado will be unable to have a firearm under a new law signed by Gov. Jared Polis on Monday.

      I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this law will only apply to white people in Colorado, not the mass of Central American illegals that have flooded the Denver metro over the last 25 years.

      Also, this is completely fucking redundant. First degree vehicle theft was already a felony.

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  29. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

    Who is paying $40,000 in state and local taxes?
    It’s not your average voter.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      DON'T YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE EARNING $400,000 IN NYC ARE POOR?

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    2. damikesc   2 days ago

      True: But it is the people who FUND candidates.

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    3. Longtobefree   2 days ago

      Yep.
      No one is continually calling out the left for wanting both "TAX THE RICH" and "DEDUCT STATE AND LOCAL TAXES" (only the uber rich pay that much in state and local taxes.

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  30. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

    "I don't think Thomas Massie understands government," said President Donald Trump

    He knew enough to stand up to your BULL SHIT, the last time you called him a grandstander. When you were pushing for trillions to be pissed away on the Cares Act.

    Fuck You, Donald Trump and your lockdowns.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Rember when Donald Trump dissolved all the state governments and enforced a nationwide lockdown? It was terrible.

      Do they just not teach civics in schools anymore or are you dumb motherfuckers just too stupid to understand how the federal system works?

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        I remember when he declared that only he could lift lockdowns not govenors. While that is factual incorrect, it goes to show he was all for them.

        I remember when Kemp and DeSantis had enough, he said it was too soon.

        But mostly I remember him signing the trillion dollar Cares Act that pissed away trillions so the governors could pay to shutdown the economy. Which in my mind is no different then a wife hiring the hitman to kill her husband. She's still a murderer.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          Noem never put them in. The states have all the power when it comes to public health. The governors are the ones who had the power and are the ones ultimately responsible. You can buy the "but Trump made me do it" bullshit all you like. The reality is and will remain the opposite.

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          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

            Good for Noem and South Dakota - you'll never hear me say she did bad during Covid. And I mean that, she was one of a few who didn't screw the pooch.

            Doesn't change the fact Trump negotiated the Cares Act, championed it, attacked Rs who were against and signed it into law. Why send trillions to the states if not to lockdown? He bought it hook line and sinker. Did he make sure there was any civil liberties protections in what he bought? Did he send in the national guard to protect our liberties? Did he tell the treasury to stop funding states that abused their citizenry? Did he fire Fauci, Birx, or Witkofsky? Did he end National Emergency he declared?

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            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   9 hours ago

              “….,.she was one of the few who didn’t screw the pooch.”

              Haha. Welllll…..

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          2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

            The first symptom of TDS seems to be failure to recall basic civics.

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            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

              Question:
              Does TDS make someone a raging, imbecilic lying pile of shit, or do you start by being one and then contract TDS?

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                Honestly it seems to be mainly driven from:

                A) it is easy, just blame the one person instead of understanding the system
                B) hatred for the person

                We often see this with the left as well as they go up the chain of blame until they find the first conservative.

                In the case of SOGN it seems it is mostly A. No required inspection into the causes for blame, just like he refuses to blame congress on spending. With a bit of B thrown in.

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                1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                  C. Hold accountable our elected officials for their deeds.

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            2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

              For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue,”

              - Donald Trump

              Donald Trump has TDS.

              - JessieAOC.

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          3. Zeb   1 day ago

            No he didn't do the lockdowns, or make states do it. But he did participate in enabling it (and enormous amounts of fraud) by funding it through the Cares act. The states who did the most damage with their insane policies couldn't have sustained it without the federal funding. I don't see why we shouldn't acknowledge that. Nobody's perfect. And this isn't an attempt to paint Trump as the worst thing ever. The rest of the covid years would have gone a lot better had he been re-elected in 2020. That doesn't mean we shouldn't point out where he could have done better.

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            1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

              No one is saying we shouldn't acknowledge the fact. That however doesn't make the governors the ultimate authority and responsibility. Also, Trump turned against the lockdowns by the summer of 2020. They continued and the school closures continued until well into 2021 in some states. You can't blame any of that on Trump, yet people continue to act as if what Trump advocated was the same as what happened in places like New York and Michigan.

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        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

          I mostly remember slimy piles of lying TDS-addled shit making up stories.
          Fuck off and die, asshole.

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      Trump did no lockdowns. Place blame where it belongs with people like Cuomo, Whitmer, Murphy, Newsom, Pritzker, et.al. The governors did lockdowns, especially the Democrat governors.

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      1. mad.casual   2 days ago

        Beshear, no matter how loud Massie, Paul, *or* Trump shout "No!", in the relevant case.

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      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        Pay for the hitman, get charged along with the hitman.

        Also take it up with Donald Trump:

        For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue,”

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          Sure. He was wrong. It is that simple. He didn't have that authority and he never exercised that authority.

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

            TDS-addled lying piles of shit do not deal with facts.

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          2. mad.casual   2 days ago

            Once again, "Blowhard, authoritarian President simultaneously guilty for not doing more to defy the governors he's in league with *and* trying too hard to punch above his weight to get the governors to stop oppressing their citizens."

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            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 day ago

              I'd settle for the headlines:

              "Donald Trump ends negotiations on covid bill, tells Republicans to vote no"

              "Donald Trump vetos Cares Act, calls it the biggest fraud ever"

              "Donald Trump fires Fauci, calls mask lie unforgivable"

              "Donald Trump sends Navy Seals to CA, frees paddle boarder and arrests Newsome"

              Last one might be a stretch. But can you give me one concrete action Trump took to protect the citizenry from the Covid mongers?

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    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

      "Fuck You, Donald Trump and your lockdowns."

      Fuck YOU, TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit.

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        Fuck YOU, BRANCH COVIDIAN lying pile of steaming shit.

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        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

          Get reamed with a barb-wire wrapped broomstick, you pathetic pile of lying shit.
          We can hope that TDS is an extremely painful, long-term fatal disease; you deserve it

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          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

            Get reamed with a Fauci's shriveled cock, you pathetic pile of lying shit.

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            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

              As an imbecilic pile of lying TDS-addled slimy shit, you somehow, in your raging stupidity, think I have anything but distain for Fauci? He's very close to your equal, ass-wipe.

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              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                Get teabagged by Dr. Birx.

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                1. Dillinger   2 days ago

                  doesn't that work the other way?

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                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 day ago

                    20 years ago maybe. Get with the times. A lady doctor can teabag just as much as a male doctor.

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                    1. Dillinger   1 day ago

                      I see ... my bad lol

  31. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

    so why is Homeland Security head Kristi Noem using them?

    Because Congress exempted Fed, State and Local governments from the Polygraph Protection act of 1988? Because everyone with security clearance have to take them?

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      It might not work, but it’s all we got!

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        My favorite growing up was the Feds would go down my street asking about this neighbor or that neighbor. I always thought it was a bit off but what are going to do when a few G15s and up and a Colonel lives on the street.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          They still do that.

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  32. mad.casual   2 days ago

    This is an amusing take on Massie because—of all the politicians we've interviewed on Just Asking Questions—Massie has, in my experience, been the most likely to actually give in-depth reasoning for his no votes.

    Liz, you're a journalist. Trump is The President. He doesn't have the luxury of taking in all 535 in-depth opinions as to any given vote. He just knows that "No on everything." isn't a very pragmatic approach. And this is a very cogent point that some in the LP *continue* to fail to learn; not every answer needs to be a "No." some answers can/should be "Not unless..."

    "Dr. No" is a cool moniker and I've voted for it. But that doesn't mean Trump is wrong, with both a Libertarian-leaning Senator and a Libertarian-leaning Congressman in the same State, the State still isn't able to avoid some of the most grotesque and oppressive/abusive over-reaches of both the FedGov and it's own Governor.

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    1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   2 days ago

      Liz, you're a journalist.

      Not certain.

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      1. mad.casual   2 days ago

        "Talking head" may've been more appropriate.

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    2. Dillinger   2 days ago

      >>Liz, you're a journalist.

      wrongest thing you've ever typed.

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  33. Randy Sax   2 days ago

    Lab-grown meat discourse

    Anyone ever tried it? I have not. I did have of bite of an impossible burger once. The taste wasn't horrible. It wasn't like exactly like beef, but not terrible. However, the texture was pretty awful. Just mush. Like it had been in a blender and I was supposed to slurp it through a straw.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      Basically, it’s almost, but not quite entirely unlike tea.

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

      I had an impossible burger. Once.
      Why would you pay a premium for something not as good as the real hamburger?

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    3. mad.casual   2 days ago

      Anyone ever tried it?

      Not that it's your implication, but:

      I've never driven a Soviet Era Lada either. I've driven plenty of vehicles where I didn't fit in the driver's seat, where things could fall through the floorboards in front of the tires, vehicles without air conditioning that were broken such that the heat was pumped into the cabin in the summer, hydraulically-steered vehicles with sketchy/broken hydraulics, as part of a HS project I've driven a 2-stroke 'go-kart' that got over 150 mpg. I've even driven a four-wheeled vehicle that only had 3 wheels on it for between a quarter and a half-mile... all without experiencing the "entertainment" of driving a Soviet-brand vehicle.

      Similarly, I've eaten/drank all kinds of ultra-purified water and cross-flow filtered, ion exchanged protein mixtures sweetened with all the modern carcinogens you can imagine. I've had ice cream, egg, and tuna milkshakes; dehydrated foods and agar suspensions of all kinds; soy burgers and bean burgers. About the only thing I've had that I recall being unable to eat/finish was a granola bar from Aldi. I don't think I'm missing anything not eating lab food sponsored by European/WEF eco-Nazis.

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    4. Eeyore   1 day ago

      The impossible burger still didn't qualify as lab grown. There were no animal cells in it, just some compounds found in blood made artificially.

      Even without a few states banning lab grown meat - I'm confident they will fail. They cost more. Use more resources. Are more vulnerable to food poisoning. Still use animal products as inputs - so they aren't technically vegetarian. Garbage. The only way they will succeed is by lobbying the government to make natural beef more expensive through regulations.

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  34. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

    https://www.firstpost.com/world/original-sin-new-biden-book-co-author-calls-hunter-unethical-sleazy-prone-to-horrible-decisions-13890364.html

    Jack Tapper discovers that the Biden family may have been corrupt. I thought that was just Russian misinformation? Now that Biden is of no use to the Democratic Party, the truth can be told.

    Fuck these people. You can't hate them enough.

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  35. TJJ2000   2 days ago

    MORE Tax-Cuts for US Citizens by the Trump Administration! Excellent!

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  36. mad.casual   2 days ago

    But this is classic conservatism, counters The Atlantic's Derek Thompson, who summarizes the PoliMath position as "I'm afraid that the emergence of new things will mean I won't be able to enjoy my old things."

    And this is classic pseudo-intellectual Progressivism. The idea that everyone who opposes [new thing] must be Amish, Luddite, and/or racist rather than objectivists who actually do hold degrees in and perform "modern" food production and can see and remember what was done with vaccines and see the dishonest "science" of climatology that is motivating lab-grown meat production and call it for what it is. They know it because dishonest actors like Thompson and Bailey say things like "With the proliferation of fake meat, we'll be able to return ranch land to nature." the way they do with the "Once we have EVs, carbon emissions will be a thing of the past." rather than acknowledge the reality that, even if you supplant one with the other in good faith, unless you're commanding the market it will make the former more cheap and abundant.

    FFS, Monsanto and Roundup Ready is over 20 yrs. old. Something north of 90% of soy produced in the US is glyphosate-resistant. These people aren't worried that they'll lose their old soybeans for the new ones, they know the deliberately disruptive and protectionist (on the part of other nations and producers) shit that's baked in.

    Once again, it's the same oblivious stupidity as "All those people (who previously voted for Obama) are racist because they voted for Trump."

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      See also self driving cars. "They won't ever ban people from driving cars". That will turn into "of course they are going to ban human drivers and it is a good thing".

      Of all the reason staff, Bailey may be the most dishonest.

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      1. mad.casual   2 days ago

        Of all the reason staff, Bailey may be the most dishonest.

        Disagree. Since Shikha left, ENB hands down. Sullum within 1 length at second, the rest of the B-Team, with Bailey in the mix, half a length behind that.

        Even before Trump ENB was pretty messed up Libertarian-wise; defending violent rapists of infirm old women and mothers who drowned their own 3-yr.-old sons because the zealous prosecutor was subsequently, and unrelatedly, caught creeping around his mistress' house.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          ENB is pretty bad. I guess Bailey bugs me more because he is just smart enough to make you expect more of him. ENB has always been just a half wit.

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          1. Don't look at me! (I’ll post my list if you post yours)   1 day ago

            I guess Bailey bugs me more because he is just smart enough to make you expect more of him.

            More testing needed.

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      2. Roberta   1 day ago

        So does everything have to be either illegal or mandatory?

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        1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

          Because people like you exist in large numbers, yes it ends up being that way every single time.

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  37. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

    SCOTUS tells TDS-addled district judge to stuff it:
    "Supreme Court allows Trump to strip legal protections from 350,000 Venezuelans who risk deportation"
    [...]
    "The court’s order, with only one noted dissent, puts on hold a ruling from a federal judge in San Francisco that kept in place Temporary Protected Status for the Venezuelans that would have otherwise expired last month. The justices provided no rationale, which is common in emergency appeals..."
    https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-venezuelans-deportation-trump-5589f17e0ecd5d33bfb220e15720f88d

    How long is "temporary"? And the Venezuelans voted for those dictators. Go back and fix it.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      This reply from a 5th circuit judge directed to Roberts made me laugh.

      https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2025/05/20/this-is-a-district-courtnot-a-dennys-5th-circuit-responds-to-scotus-in-tda-case-and-hoo-boy-n2189368

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      1. Dillinger   2 days ago

        ya beautiful.

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      2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 day ago

        SCOTUS deserved that and worse, 'gang members are entitled to notice and review when the ACLU demands it in the middle of the night and we have no idea what notice or review are required but we know what they got isn't enough'. That's some pretty impressive judging right there.

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  38. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

    https://www.rvmnews.com/2025/05/snl-powerhouses-son-accused-in-bloody-manhattan-bar-stabbing-spree/

    According to a criminal complaint obtained by TMZ, the incident occurred around 3:30 a.m. when Willner allegedly approached a group outside the establishment and asked to buy cocaine.

    After being told, “this was not the place for that,” police say he pulled out a knife and slashed three individuals.

    Holy shit, dude you may have a drug problem and impulse control issues.

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    1. Dillinger   2 days ago

      reads like the first episode of MobLand

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      1. mad.casual   2 days ago

        The first photo in the body of the news article was surprisingly offbeat. Normally, news outlets try to obfuscate such details from actual scene photos for both accuracy and popular appeal rather than, uh, [rising intonation] pulling such images from their stock?

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        1. Dillinger   2 days ago

          the first pic in that story looks suspiciously like my loss to an avocado pit last summer.

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  39. MollyGodiva   2 days ago

    This is wrong. There is no reason why somone making the same push as another should have less or more tax due to tips vs wage. Non tipped workers deserve the same tax break. And the $160 k limit is nuts.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcs Kampf mit der Realität)   2 days ago

      So you’re making the argument we should abolish the income tax, the IRS, and repeal 16A? Works for me.

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    2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      How about just no taxes on any income below 160K except for SS taxes? You actually make a reasonable point. Why should waiters get tax free income but ditch diggers and janitors not?

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    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

      Mollygodiva.
      Is.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

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      1. Zeb   1 day ago

        True. But in this case is accidentally correct.

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    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

      LOL, stop acting like you're against this just because of the blue-collar tax break.

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    5. Uilleam   1 day ago

      You're ok with the government murdering children. Go fuck yourself.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

        Will Murder Your Kids for Tips

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  40. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>I think discussions of lab-grown meat bans sometimes fail to convey the deeper fears present.

    you can put whatever you want in your mouth & call it food but that is not meat.

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  41. Roberta   2 days ago

    It's not unreasonable to fear that legalizing one thing will make it politically feasible to illegalize another thing that's politically disfavored. The only questions involve judgment about political forecasting.

    We see here for instance fear that legalizing some housing alternatives will lead to illegalizing others; that legalizing some activities via licensure will lead to increased enforcement against unlicensed practice that may hitherto have operated illegally via benign neglect; that legalizing some business will lead to licensure and strict regulation, when reduction in penalties had been an alternative that becomes politically infeasible thereby; that progress in and legal recognition of money alternatives will lead to illegalization of cash transactions.

    These fears will never go away as long as anyone has the power by any means to interfere with someone else's life. Abolishing the state won't do it, because as long as there's more than 1 person in contact, it can always be brought back. Limiting government doesn't do it as long as there are legal ways to abolish those limits — which there must have been to establish them in the first place. Revolution doesn't work because further revolutions are always possible. Unless you're the last person standing, there's always a threat.

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  42. I, Woodchipper   2 days ago

    It's not clear to me that no taxes on tips, ... will do all that much, or that there was a ton of accurate tip-reporting happening in the first place.

    Almost the next sentence:
    "Trump is right to want to get rid of taxes on tips, primarily because it's a heavy paperwork load and it generates practically no revenue,"

    This is the big one. It's an onerous burden on small business owners and average working people to even track and report this and it generates almost no revenue to do so.

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  43. Longtobefree   2 days ago

    Just for the record:
    If it's from a lab, it ain't meat.

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    1. Dillinger   2 days ago

      I suppose if they're slaughtering cattle in the lab it could be lab meat

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      1. Eeyore   1 day ago

        After the shaved cats they use to test cosmetics are euthanized they can sell the cat burgers and call it lab meat.

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        1. Longtobefree   1 day ago

          Like I said - - - - - -

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  44. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>Massie has, in my experience, been the most likely to actually give in-depth reasoning for his no votes.

    I want to think he's principles > principals but he wants to be both sides of the equation

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  45. I, Woodchipper   2 days ago

    we need 535 Massie-like members in the congress.

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    1. Dillinger   2 days ago

      dammit I didn't mean to reply with a totally different response. so I'll edit-reply I would like that too but only one Massie kinda sucks.

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  46. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>If you actually wanted to help the household budgets of working-class people, the best thing you could do is refrain from imposing 10 percent across-the-board tariffs (and more for goods imported from China).

    your one-note flugelhorn is whiny.

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  47. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>Polygraphs don't really work, so why is Homeland Security head Kristi Noem using them?

    because the don't really work part of the above is limited in scope

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  48. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>But isn't the obvious outcome customers simply tipping less

    to a pessimist New Yorker who may or may not have worked for tips, totes.

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  49. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 days ago

    Taiwanese Parliament member reportedly stole a bill and ran away with it to stop it from being passed

    Damn, but that's just f'n hilarious.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      The Taiwanese Parliament is fucking awesome. They routinely have straight up fist fights and even riots in well of Parlement.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRoGhRvxdHM

      Google "Taiwanese Parliament fight" and you find example after example of this. They don't fuck around in Taiwan.

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      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 day ago

        I think I've seen that one before. Almost looks insurrectiony. Hope no one got shot in the face.

        Was hoping to find some where everyone was Kung Fu Fighting but I thought this one was entertaining...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uephkhhpmc8

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        1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

          There is just such a refreshing honesty to the whole thing. They don't pretend to like each other or that the whole process of government is anything other than the tawdry and nasty business it is. I love it.

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    2. Eeyore   1 day ago

      Personally I think the majority and minority leaders should duel to the death to decide if a new bill should make it to the floor - but I'm in the minority on this position.

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  50. Moonrocks   2 days ago

    why is Homeland Security head Kristi Noem using them?

    The government uses them to grant top secret clearances, so it's not unprecedented.

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  51. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 days ago

    Tim Walz says, "We had the most qualified person who'd run for president in this country's history at the top of the ticket."

    Has this guy not even heard of Chase Oliver?

    -jeff

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    1. I, Woodchipper   1 day ago

      Not a single person voted for Kamala in the primaries.

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      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 day ago

        No one votes for qualified people in primaries.

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  52. Incunabulum   1 day ago

    >But isn't the obvious outcome customers simply tipping less, realizing that the workers they were tipping now get to keep more of what they earn (if they were reporting it as taxable income at all in the first place)?

    Is this a bad thing?

    1. Tipping is out of control. 20 percent? Fuck right off.

    2. They still get the same amount of money - I just have to lose less to tipping.

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    1. Sun Wukong   1 day ago

      No one makes you tip anything sweetheart.

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  53. DesigNate   1 day ago

    “I'm afraid that the emergence of new things will mean I won't be able to enjoy my old things."

    Because that’s been everyone’s experience for like 100 years you daft cunt!

    (Note: obviously referring to the guy Liz quoted, not Liz herself.)

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  54. DRM   1 day ago

    How many people died because Andrew Cuomo sent COVID patients into nursing homes instead of using the excess beds available at the Javits Center and on the USNS Comfort? Anybody know of a good estimate?

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    1. Longtobefree   1 day ago

      All of them?

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      1. Eeyore   1 day ago

        Yes. Also, 100% of all fatalities in 2020 were covid. It cured all other causes of death.

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        1. jagjr   2 hours ago

          wasn't a cure. it was a business decision. COVID deaths were directly tied to more funding from uncle sugar.

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  55. jagjr   2 hours ago

    "Polygraphs don't really work, so why is Homeland Security head Kristi Noem using them?"

    same reason that the entire federal government uses them. no idea what that reason is, since they are well documented to be junk science, but there is unshakeable groupthink in govt circles that they are needed. it's insane.

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