What Kristi Noem Gets Wrong About Habeas Corpus
The legal principle safeguards civil liberties, protecting even unpopular people from the government.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem at a congressional hearing on Tuesday had a contentious exchange about habeas corpus, the constitutional right that allows people to challenge their imprisonment in court.
Sen. Maggie Hassan (D–N.H.): What is habeas corpus?
Noem: Well habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country—
Hassan: No, let me stop you ma'am—
Noem: —and suspend their right to, suspend their right to—
Hassan: Excuse me, that's incorrect.
Noem: President Lincoln used it.
Habeas corpus is a fundamental civil liberty: It effectively forces the state to justify why it is detaining someone. It is, by definition, a check on the government, not a right it possesses.
Noem is likely aware of this. The homeland security secretary told lawmakers at a different congressional hearing last week that immigration levels may justify suspending the protection. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, then, it's possible she meant to imply today that President Donald Trump needs to subvert that right in order to deport people. And perhaps that is also what she meant by her reference to former President Abraham Lincoln, who did not most famously "use" habeas corpus but rather suspended it during the Civil War without congressional approval—an action that was later found to be unconstitutional.
Viewing the exchange in a light most favorable to Noem, it generally comports with the administration's position. Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, said earlier this month that Trump is "actively looking at" suspending habeas corpus for migrants. "The president of the United States," Noem said later in the hearing today, "has the authority under the Constitution to decide if it should be suspended or not."
But that is highly constitutionally dubious, as Reason's Jacob Sullum wrote last week, for a few reasons. The first: The clause that allows for its suspension—"the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it"—is found in Article I of the Constitution, which governs Congress. The executive's powers are outlined in Article II.
That is in large part why Chief Justice Roger B. Taney of the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Merryman (1861) that Lincoln had violated the Constitution when he unilaterally suspended the right, which, in terms of the present-day debate, the Supreme Court has also confirmed applies to people in the United States unlawfully. (Congress ultimately approved Lincoln's suspension in 1863, about two years after his initial decree.)
Then there is the justification the Trump administration would have to invoke: that the U.S. is experiencing an "invasion," or that public safety is endangered so severely that it requires suspending a core constitutional protection. Whatever your views on immigration, the reference to invasion, as Sullum notes, has historically been understood (including in the courts) to reference literal warfare—a military attack, for example.
The "public safety" invocation would likewise be extremely tenuous, particularly when considering, for example, the Supreme Court's ruling in Boumediene v. Bush (2008), which affirmed that Guantanamo Bay detainees, who were also noncitizens, had the right to habeas corpus. If terrorism suspects are entitled to those petitions, then it stands to reason so should people like Rümeysa Öztürk, the Tufts student who was recently released from detention after a federal judge ruled the government had provided no evidence for her imprisonment other than that she co-authored a pro-Palestine op-ed.
Habeas corpus, and the Constitution broadly, protects unpopular people for a reason—and it protects them from the government. The president certainly has a prerogative to uphold the law. But that doesn't mean much if he and his administration engage in lawlessness to do so.
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“Their day in court”
Of course they do. How do you know if they are illegal if there is no adjudication?
So if a Mexican citizen approaches the border without a visa, we're required to send them to a US court to decide whether they can enter the country? Or do they get MORE rights after they break the law by entering illegally?
Migrants caught at the border fall into a different set of laws. They can be immediately deported. The issue at hand is those who were already here.
Why?
And how long do you have to be here to get this? 5 minutes or 5 days?
Catching someone crossing the border is one thing.
Catching someone that speaks Spanish or has skin color other than white is another.
No they dont.
Can you point me toward that different set of laws? Is it like a totally different US code or just a different section of the same code? And at what point do they take effect? If a migrant pushes past a border agent does that get them the totally new set of laws?
If you assault a border guard you'll be arrested in America, taken to an American prison, tried before an American court, punished in an American jail, and then be deported.
If they are already here and can not provide proof of legal entry they are by definition illegally here and subject to immediate deportation.
GFY
There is adjudication theough the administrative system as prescribed by law.
Do you think Trump still masturbates?
They are here illegally. Their standing in front of you is admission of guilt. They should be asked for proof of citizenship. If they have none then immediate deportation.
You ask them if they are a citizen or what is their country of origin. Pretty easy and something the Border Patrol does every day. If your caught illegally entering the country you better be prepared to prove your a citizen of America and even then you are going to be charged with entering illegally. The difference is you will not be deported. I actually had this happen to me when I did not clear customs correctly and the fine was $15,000 to my company negotiated down to a grand or so.
Molly, again if you actually like you know 'cared' this would have eaten at you like it did me while 10 million plus came over the border. Statistically, that means about about 8% or 800 000 bad bad guys. Now 8% is how many in US have a felony record but obviously Tren de Aragua , MS-13, human traffickers, rapists , terrorists etc will figure higher so my 800 000 is very conservative. I remember all those immigrants under Carter flooding Florida. All it gave us was years later the show "Miami Vice"
I will be charitable and say you are a PollyAnna, but a not very smart one. What Biden did sent warning shots to anyone with a brain and some experience.
Say whatever you want, but the courts have ruled you full of shit. Constitutional protections apply to anyone on US soil, regardless of citizenship or immigration status.
She spoke with JD Vance?
..unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it"—
They still can’t guess why trump won.
The United States is not being invaded.
There's no "invasion" or "rebellion". Trump won because there are a shitload of stupid people who are, sadly, entitled to vote, and because the Dems insisted on shooting themselves in the dick. I keep hearing that Donnie magically secured the border, so how can be invaded? Can't have it both ways.
Her initial comment betrays a staggering ignorance. As I said over at VC, there is not a poster here of any political stripe or DSM-5 condition who is as ignorant as this.
Later, she must have twigged what it meant - after Hassan's prompt - and was able to answer better as the questioning went on. She's still a bimbo. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Don't sell yourself short shrike. You're pretty fucking ignorant.
No ,she is right. If you look at the history of due process before the rather late-to-the-game Bill of Rights citation, she is clearly right
THere may be other experts but Prof Kurt Lash is known for his Due Rights and 14th Amendment scholarship
"and what they see in those words is some kind of statement of
So she has it hands down
that's a Reference that everybody knew referred only to a narrow, enclosed set of historically
recognized common law exceptions or also including Native American tribes. Well, that isn't
obvious from the text at all. Of course, you would only be able to come to that conclusion if you
investigate the history. And if you investigate the history of the clause, you find out that it wasn't
a term of art at all. That wasn't a phrase that everyone knew referred to a narrow set. "
And that I think is just inescapable when you look at the actual debates of the 39th
Congress. To be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States meant to have a sufficient or
requisite allegiance to the United States. And this was expressly declared by the Senate Judiciary
Chairman, Lyman Trumbull. What do we mean by subject to the jurisdiction of the United
States? Not owing allegiance to anybody else? That's what it means again. Now, where they got
that allegiance reading was not something they just came up with during the 39th Congress. This
reflects a citizenship tie to conditions of allegiance, which was long established under antebellum
American law. Again, that's something that Ilan has spent a lot of time establishing. And the
allegiance that they were looking for didn't have to do with the allegiance of the newborn. Who's
not going to say a pledge of allegiance to anyone. The key to the child's presumed allegiance had
to do with the allegiance of the parents to which the child was born.
[00:25:00.1 Kurt Lash: This is why that a child born in the United States to parents who were
ambassadors, diplomats, even though they're born in the United States, they were not born
subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because they were presumed to share the same
foreign allegiance that the parents did. This idea of the allegiance and the key allegiance being
tied to the parents was also echoed in the 39th Congress. You have the very important Ohio
Representative John Bingham, the drafter of most of Section 1, declaring in the middle of those
debates in the early months, every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States
of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your
Constitution, a natural born citizen. So they all knew what they were trying to do. They're trying
to craft a clause that would establish race-neutral natural born citizenship, but which would also
be keyed upon a reasonable presumption of allegiance on the part of the child.
She said habeas corpus is a right the president has to deport people. That is 100% wrong. Then she said the president can suspend habeas corpus, which is also wrong because that power is given to Congress.
Abe Lincoln says hi.
She got that wrong as well, implying it was a right that Lincoln exercised rather than suspended.
As democrats like to say, she just misspoke.
You would not accept that explanation from Democrats defending one of their guys, so why use that excuse here? Unless you're a cultist fuckwit, of course.
Who said I am defending it just because I'm calling it what the dems call it?
What explanation has she given for her mistake? She has to give one before I consider accepting it. I doubt I will accept it anyway because it was a bullshit statement.
""Unless you're a cultist fuckwit, of course.""
Check the mirror.
Lincoln did it so it must be good!
Blind hero worship is a folly. Lincoln did a lot of good things, but suspending habeas corpus wasn't one of them. Also there was a fucking Civil War going on. You know, that five-year war that killed 2% of the American population? I don't know if you've looked out the window recently, but nothing even remotely like that is happening outside.
I would hate to think that the President can suspend my Constitutional Rights because of circumstances he decides are dangerous but we just experienced that, didn't we
And Lincoln got slapped down by the courts until he got approval from Congress, as you'd know if you read the article instead of arguing with the voices in your head..
Lincoln susepended it without Congress and --- catch this--- Congress officially said later that Lincoln was in the right
And his decree only became legal when Congress approved it. Not that hard to understand.
Illegals have no rights. Period. Rights are not universal and protected by government. They are doled out by government. Government is the source of our rights. On this leftists (in the literal sense) and Trump defenders wholeheartedly agree.
Do illegals have a right to life? No. They are trespassers and criminals. It’s permissible to shoot trespassers who violate the law, and that describes illegals. That means their lives are all forfeit. And since they are not subject to the law or jurisdiction of the United States, murdering them is ok. They are outlaws, as in outside and not protected by the law.
So lock and load babes. It’s time to kill.
You once made fun of a trespasser getting shot.
Everyone in the US has the same rights. That is well established.
Um no they don't. A citizen cannot be deported with an administrative warrant. In fact they can't be deported...at all. Aliens can be. The fact that aliens do not have the rights of citizens is well established. You tiresome idiot.
Deportation is not an enumerated right in the Constitution.
This makes no sense. Non-citizens do not have the right to stay in the country without proper documentation.
"Deportation is not an enumerated right" implies that citizens do not have a right to deport others or something. Unless you're trying to say that the government does not have a right to deport anyone, but it in fact does have that right.
The "rights" are the ones in 1A-8A and 14A. Due process, free speech, no search without a warrant and such.
Due process for illegal immigration does not have to include a court case, such as what happens at the border every day.
Checking someone's passport for a valid visa IS the due process owed to potential immigrants.
I hate to tell you but people are turned around at the border all of the time without their "right" to be heard in court. All of the time.
If you'd like to claim a right to be deported I'll file an amicus brief in support of your motion.
So, they have the right to vote as well?
I hope you're just off your meds.
" all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
Poe’s law. Look it up
One of these days you'll figure out that looking like an idiot for laughs really just attracts idiots who think they are in good company, and if you do it long enough... they are.
Your apparent need to respond doesn't exactly speak highly of you, then.
She can habeas my corpus. Giggity.
Giggity indeed.
I use Melania’s nude photos…sometimes I use them several times a day! :0
No thanks. Stupidity and dishonesty is kind of a boner-killer for me. The only way it would work might be a double team. One guy has to have his dick in her mouth at all times. If he pulls out, the other guy has to immediately put his in. Otherwise she might start talking.
Honestly if half of your article is just quoting idiot boy Sullum I have no reason to take you seriously.
Nor have any of us a need to read it.
But she is still hot!
:I do not have a high opinion of my own taste in women, and I entirely agree with you.
Well you prefer girls shrike. Not women.
Noem got everything backwards. She has no idea what the law is.
And you don’t know what a woman is.
"Chief Justice Roger B. Taney of the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Merryman (1861) that Lincoln had violated the Constitution when he unilaterally suspended the right, which, in terms of the present-day debate, the Supreme Court has also confirmed applies to people in the United States unlawfully. (Congress ultimately approved Lincoln's suspension in 1863, about two years after his initial decree.)"
All right what the fuck are you trying to say here. The claim is that because the Supreme court found Lincoln's unilateral suspension of Habeas Corpus, that incidentally included illegal aliens, unconstitutional it creates a precedent that illegals forever have a a guarantee of Habeas? Are you serious? And then cite that congress found the suspension, including aliens, lawful? Really? This is your argument? Oh and the terrorists locked up at Gitmo defeat the Public Safety argument of alien criminals at large? I may be missing something here but if this is your logic it's the dumbest shit I've read in a long time.
That is different from defending Noem for saying that habeas corpus is a right that the president has, agreed?
The democrat term is misspoke.
The replicans merely "clarify".
I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy that when dems say something like this, they misspoke but when the other team does it it's a big deal.
That's kind of what "precedent" means, fuckwit. And Congress didn't "find" the suspension lawful, by voting for it they made it lawful.
There are 700 federal judges. There are 260 weekdays in a year. About ten million illegals entered the US during Biden's administration. If each judge saw one case per day, with no days off for holidays or vacation, 182,000 cases can be heard in a year. The whole 10,000,000 will take 54 years.
It has been suggested that we double the number of judges, so it will then only take 27 years to let them all have a day in court.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
“Hey man. See Steve over there? The one who’s been bowling spares all day? I think he’d be a great judge.
He knows what’s good for him.”
Seeing as most illegal immigrants* only need an administrative hearing, at most, the judges should be able to get through a lot more than 1 a day. Even at a pace of 8 per day though, it would still take 10 years to undo what the Biden administration foisted on America.
I would suggest that they move even faster than 1 per hour, but some people even bitched about them trying to expedite the process, so that probably wouldn’t fly.
*Personally, anyone caught having committed or committing a violent crime and anyone who has been deported more than once deserve fuck all more than getting dropped in the middle of nowhere with a weeks worth of rations.
"Noem is likely aware of this."
Hahaha. Please. Air Head Barbie?
A friend responded: "I know that it SEEMS as if she is an idiot, but that answer is not that of an ignoramus. It is too precisely the OPPOSITE of the truth, too conveniently the THEME OF AUTOCRACY, and too ominously an FU to anyone who any longer believes that our rights under the Constitution matter. It felt to me as if a Bannon or Miller wrote that reply for the idiots working for Trump to ruffle feathers and threaten most effectively anyone asking in naive earnest the meaning of habeas corpus."
My reply to him: I am not so sure. I doubt that anyone would voluntarily appear that stupid in public, least of all someone who must still have major political ambitions. A more Millerite (sic) response would have said that habeas corpus was the right of American citizens to have a hearing before being detained or jailed. Then the argument would be whether constitutional rights extend to non-citizens, which is very different and politically more effective.
But you con-fuse9 are certifiably a nobody. And you write and reason like a GED-er.Jealous of her maybe
Here's what you really, honestly, genuinely do NOT get Billy.
Americans don't care anymore. Habeas Corpus, Due Process, Equal Protection - you piss-sucking scumbags have weaponized that against Americans. And why: so that Jose Child Molesting Drug/Human Trafficking Wife Beating Border Jumping Gonzalez can serve your globalist great replacement anti-American goals.
I WARNED you about this.
You don't understand how close you are to this:
Billy Binion: "But you're wrong about habeas corpus!"
MAGA: "Habeas this corpus you literal piece of garbage" *executes an illegal* *executes Billy*.
Is this what you WANT Billy?
Because if you think you aren't helping drive people TO that, you're gravely mistaken. And when you piss your pants sobbing and wave a copy of the Constitution at them in hopes of being able to appeal to their better nature, you're going to enrage them further and they're going to make trophies out of your teeth.
Stop being an agent of Chaos. Get on Team Good, and start helping us expel these illegals. And do it before America TRULY loses faith in the rule of law, and takes matters into your own hands.
Because I promise you, the JoUrNaLiStS will NOT be spared.
"It's not our fault, you made us do it".
Stop being an agent of Chaos.
And you'd describe the current Trump administration as "anti-chaos"? What are you smoking and are you willing to share?
Get on Team Good
Nazis. That's all you people can ever come up with.
Simpletons.
Jesus fucking Christ. Republicans keep burning the Constitution. Not even giving lip service to it. Presidential authority knows no bounds.
""Presidential authority knows no bounds.""
The problem with nudging up against that line is that the next president is likely to expand on it. Trump's phone and pen is an extension of Obama's phone and pen.
I absolutely agree, which is why we should be pushing back, not enabling further encroachments.
shut up you hate-filled foul-mouthed fool
Nothing wrong with hating tyranny and lawlessness.
It occurs to me that this administration is so cavalier about ignoring peoples' rights ... because they don't actually know what those rights are.
How does someone who doesn't know what Habeas Corpus is ... get to be Homeland Security Secretary ? How was she a Governor of South Dakota ?
Logically that is only a question for you.And you are not HSS or Governor. You aren't even theoretically on her starting level unless you want to say the State university didn't realize what you realize : She obtained a Bachelor of Arts degree with a major in political science from South Dakota State University in 2012
So she acquired the least demanding version of the stupidest nothing degree after a BA in Psychology at a THE state university of... lol, South Dakota.
I'm going to put my money on "she sucked a lot of dicks, either literal or metaphorical".
Billy looks ultra foolish now. Knew it would happen
Noem Got Dem Senator to Accept Trump Suspending Habeas Corpus for 2 Years, And Dem Didn't Even Know It
https://www.westernjournal.com/watch-noem-got-dem-senator-accept-trump-suspending-habeas-corpus-2-years-dem-didnt-even-know/
Much like many commenters around here, the Western Journal almost but not quite manages to disguise just how dumb and dishonest they are. Whenever I read one of their headlines, I usually suspect exactly the opposite is true. When I read the article, it almost always turns out I was right.
Trump only appointed people who were blindly loyal to him. Thus they are all Constitutional ignoramuses, because to be loyal to Trump is to ignore the Constitution.
p.s. As a matter of charity, I assume they are ignorant, and am not assuming the are deliberately and maliciously unconstitutional.