Since Immigration Is an 'Invasion,' a Top Trump Adviser Says, the President Might Suspend Habeas Corpus
Stephen Miller's understanding of the Constitution is dubious for several reasons.

The writ of habeas corpus, a right deeply rooted in English common law and recognized by the U.S. Constitution, allows people nabbed by the government to challenge their detention in court. That complicates President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown. Last month, for example, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that foreign nationals who allegedly are subject to immediate deportation as "alien enemies" have a right to contest that designation by filing habeas petitions. And foreign students have used the writ to challenge the claim that they are "subject to removal" because their political opinions undermine U.S. foreign policy interests.
Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, has a potential solution to this inconvenience. Last Friday, he told reporters that Trump is "actively looking at" suspending habeas corpus to facilitate the deportation of unwanted foreigners. "The Constitution is clear," Miller said. "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion."
There are a few problems with Miller's reading of the Constitution. The clause to which he refers says "the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." Although President Donald Trump views unauthorized immigration as an "invasion," judges have been appropriately skeptical of that description. And while Trump might believe judicial review in this context is inconsistent with "the public safety," that assessment is likewise controversial. Finally, the power to suspend habeas corpus has long been understood as belonging to Congress, not the president.
To justify his March 15 proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) against suspected members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, Trump averred that their illegal entry and criminal activities constituted an an "invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States." In a May 1 decision rejecting that interpretation of the 227-year-old law, Fernando Rodriguez Jr., a Trump-appointed federal judge in Texas, said "the historical record renders clear that the President's invocation of the AEA through the Proclamation exceeds the scope of the statute and is contrary to the plain, ordinary meaning of the statute's terms." Five days later, Alvin Hellerstein, a federal judge in New York, agreed that the AEA "was not validly invoked by the presidential proclamation."
Both judges noted that Trump's understanding of "invasion or predatory incursion" is inconsistent with the law's historical context and with contemporaneous usage, including the definition of "invasion" reflected in dictionaries, correspondence among the Founders, and the Constitution itself. The Constitution "references 'invasion' on two occasions, each time in a military context," Rodriguez noted.
Article IV, Section 4, "requires the United States to 'protect each of [the states] against Invasion," and "at least one court has concluded that 'invasion' under this
provision requires 'armed hostilities' and does not include mass immigration," Rodriguez wrote. "Article I, Section 9 prohibits Congress from suspending the writ of habeas corpus, 'unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.' Although courts have not had to define what constitutes an invasion supporting the suspension of the writ, the use of 'Rebellion,' which refers to an armed uprising, suggests that both terms refer to a military attack, either from within or without. In addition, the Constitution in Article I, Section 10, Clause 3 also provides that a state may not 'engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.' This use of the related term, 'invaded,' expressly concerns warfare."
George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin highlights "an additional reason to conclude that [Trump's] broad interpretation of 'invasion' is at odds with the original meaning of the Constitution": "If illegal migration and cross-border drug smuggling are 'invasion,' that means we are in a state of invasion at virtually all times, since these activities have been ubiquitous for so long as we have had the War on Drugs and significant migration restrictions….Given the importance that the Founders assigned to the writ of habeas corpus (British violations of the writ were among the major grievances that led to the American Revolution), they would not have created a system where the federal government could suspend it at any time."
If equating "mass immigration" with an "invasion" is dubious, so is the argument that it poses a threat to "the public safety" that "require[s]" suspension of the right to habeas corpus. That part of the Suspension Clause is "not just window-dressing," Georgetown University law professor Steven Vladeck writes. "The whole point is that the default is for judicial review except when there is a specific national security emergency in which judicial review could itself exacerbate the emergency. The emergency itself isn't enough."
Even if Trump's judgments were arguably correct, the Suspension Clause's placement and history strongly suggest the call is not his to make. "It is ultimately up to Congress whether the writ should be suspended (at least during times of peace)," says Case Western Reserve University law professor Jonathan Adler. "This is clear from the Constitution's text and structure. The suspension clause is in Article I, section 9, [which includes] several enumerated constraints on legislative power. It is an interesting question whether Courts can review a legislative suspension of the writ, but I think it is relatively clear that the Executive cannot do so unilaterally."
Abraham Lincoln's unilateral suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War was highly controversial, although Congress ultimately ratified it. Aside from that episode, the National Constitution Center says, the writ has been suspended just three times, in all cases by Congress: "in eleven South Carolina counties overrun by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction; in two provinces of the Philippines during a 1905 insurrection; and in Hawaii after the bombing of Pearl Harbor." Although the Suspension Clause "does not specify which branch of government has the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ," the center notes, "most agree that only Congress can do it." Vladeck calls that position "the near-universal consensus."
In the 2004 case Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, Adler notes, "there was unanimous agreement that Congress had not suspended the writ," so "the question was whether the federal government could detain [Yaser Esam] Hamdi (an American citizen alleged to be an enemy combatant captured in Afghanistan) in the United States without putting him on trial." In a dissent joined by Justice John Paul Stevens, Justice Antonin Scalia (whom Trump has described as his model for Supreme Court appointments) said the answer was no.
"Where the Government accuses a citizen of waging war against it, our constitutional tradition has been to prosecute him in federal court for treason or some other crime," Scalia wrote. "Where the exigencies of war prevent that, the Constitution's Suspension Clause, Art. I, § 9, cl. 2, allows Congress to relax the usual protections temporarily. Absent suspension, however, the Executive's assertion of military exigency has not been thought sufficient to permit detention without charge."
While the other justices "did not agree with Justice Scalia on the merits," Adler adds, "a majority of the justices indicated that they too believe[d] it is for Congress to determine whether the writ should be suspended." Consider what Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said in the plurality opinion:
All agree that, absent suspension, the writ of habeas corpus remains available to every individual detained within the United States. Only in the rarest of circumstances has Congress seen fit to suspend the writ. At all other times, it has remained a critical check on the Executive, ensuring that it does not detain individuals except in accordance with law….Unless Congress acts to suspend it, the Great Writ of habeas corpus allows the Judicial Branch to play a necessary role in maintaining this delicate balance of governance, serving as an important judicial check on the Executive's discretion in the realm of detentions.
In short, Adler says, "unless Congress suspends the writ, it remains a check on the Executive." That claim, he notes, "would be nonsensical if the Executive could suspend the writ unilaterally."
Miller did not say Trump would definitely try to do that. "It's an option we're actively looking at," he said. "A lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not." In other words, Trump may be willing to abide by judicial review as long as it poses no obstacle to his agenda.
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Get fucked. The previous administration enabled an invasion that included large populations of criminals from other countries. You support extreme lawfare to prevent them from being sent back to their own countries. As has been said many times before, you can't break the law and then go to extremes to stretch the law in order to keep the initial illegal actions in place. It's similar to the bullshit rationale that one president can make an EO but the next one can't reverse it. This is the ratchet of progressivism and Reason supports its continued one-sided advancement.
Our brains are being invaded by Trumpanzees gone Apeshit!!!! This, too, justifies the suspension of Hideous Dorkishness!!!
ALL POWER to the Demon-Craps to fend OFF the invasions of the Trumpanzees gone Apeshit!!!! After the sea change in the voters... Brought about by endless, senseless, udderly harmful, unprovoked trade wars and wars on illegal sub-humans... We will meet the swinging pendulum yet AGAIN, and meet the REVENGE of the Demon-Craps!!!
Butt the Deeply Devout Tribalists are TOTES un-swilling to see THIS, or ANYTHING that cuntradicts or busts Their Sacred Bubbles!
It makes sense that the same conservatards who keep mocking liberals for "not knowing what a woman is" also think that "invasion" can mean whatever they want. They have no principles, they're just stupid hypocrites.
America has not been invaded, no country has declared war on it and sent an armed force of soldiers to attack it. Its border has been secure for decades, because people coming here to look for work or safety are not a security threat. On average they are more law-abiding than American citizens. Trump had to lie and say the people he rounded up were in MS-13 to justify deporting them.
What is your definition of invasion?
As mentioned in the article, it requires a military element.
Pudding-Head isn't getting enough penguin meat, or any other decent source of proteins in Pudding-Head's diet, so shit's "brains" don't work well enough to actually read for comprehension.
"it requires a military element"
I'm not surprised you don't know what definition means. And you're also wrong.
“America has not been invaded, no country has declared war on it and sent an armed force of soldiers to attack it”
No one said that has happened. The definition of invasion isn’t that narrow, you just want to be because you love open borders, and hate Trump.
Here is the Merriem-Webster’s definition of invasion…….
invasion
noun
in·va·sion in-ˈvā-zhən
Synonyms of invasion
1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
(Drops mic)
By the second, loose definition, if "invasions" by peaceful immigrants should be met with military forces, per violence-lusting Trump and Trumpanzees, then we can ALSO, equally validly, say that the peaceful, benevolent, and tolerant Spirit of Our Nation is being "invaded" by the self-righteous, malevolent Spirit of Trumpism! What limits, if any, do Trumpists see on what we should do to repel the "invaders"? Are Trumpists willing to accept these same non-limits to what should be done to prevent THEIR invasions of what USED to be a Great Nation?
(Drops mic)
“the bullshit rationale that one president can make an EO but the next one can't reverse it”
Unsurprisingly, this only applies when a (D) writes the EO and an (R) tries to reverse it.
No, Sullum. Illegal immigration to the tune of 15 million people violating our national sovereignty and breaking our immigration laws in a four year period is an invasion. Legal immigration from all parts of the globe for people who want to come here and go through the legal process and eventually become productive citizens and contributing members of American society are welcome, and has always been welcome.
Stop intentionally conflating the two to push your leftist agenda - those of us who know how to actually think and use logic (translation: not leftist useful idiots) are fucking sick and tired of the lies. We've always been able to see right through them, so don't even fucking try on these pages - your audience is way too smart for this form of brainwashing.
Yeah, it sucks a record number of apartments and hotel rooms were delivered the last several years. And I’m sure the illegals can afford a $700k house in DFW that costs $2k a month in property taxes and insurance and utilities…or maybe they will take their dollars and go back to Mexico which has much better weather than Texas and it’s cheaper!
Reason has joined the left in preferring illegal immigrants to legal ones. See their reaction to the 50 south Africans.
It doesn't matter Trump has actually said he wants MORE legal immigrants. To reason borders dont exist. And please ignore the hundreds of billions spent on illegal immigrants.
Haven't seen that one yet, but I'm curious if they address the legitimate threat those people are facing and that they're following the proper procedures. I hope Reason isn't so bad as to join the lefty chorus making it about white people.
Yesterday's Roundup from Liz:
"The Trump administration is going to bring the first group of white Afrikaner refugees from South Africa into the United States on Monday," per The New York Times. This is very odd refugee policy, given that the administration has not been keen on letting very many folks in."
I hope it's complete ignorance, which is pretty bad. If not it's evil.
Cumplete ignorance displayed towards Trump's clear and oblivious racism-based preferences is indeed scary! You could WORK on that!
Shit seems that being from "shithole nations" is OK by Trump, butt only if ye are WHITE, and-or, ideally, a young white Beauty Queen willing to join His Harem!
“ Illegal immigration to the tune of 15 million people violating our national sovereignty and breaking our immigration laws in a four year period is an invasion”
There aren’t even 15 million illegal immigrants, total, in the US. Never mind 15 million in four years.
Bullshit. The total is probably more like 30 million.
Never underestimate a leftists ability to lie.
They told you Joe Biden wasn't senile for half a decade.
"Invasion is an operation of war. To protect against invasion is an exercise of the power of war. A power therefore not incident to war, cannot be incident to a particular modification of war. And as the removal of alien friends has appeared to be no incident to a general state of war, it cannot be incident to a partial state, or a particular modification of war." ~ James Madison (a guy who knew a little bit more about the Constituition than all the commenters on Reason combined)
And yet the AEA was written in response to fear of foreign nations fomenting rebellions by American Indians. Same issue was addressed in the DOI. Indians were neither citizens nor immigrants. Would Madison consider Tren De Argua alien friends?
It was also written...after the Constitution, which makes the self identified martyr's (wtf is up with than anyway?) comment irrelevant.
Well I'm glad foreign gangs never use weapons. Never commit assaults.
That’s not what invasion means.
invasion
noun
in·va·sion in-ˈvā-zhən
Synonyms of invasion
1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
(Drops mic)
My God; you will fall for anything, won't you?
Yes! Trumpanzees gone Apeshit SWILL fall for anything, especially if there is the VAGUEST vaginal GLINT of a hint that Dear Orange Leader will allow them "access" to Queen Spermy Daniels, ass a reward for their loyalty to Our Royal Orange Leader!
(They know snot twat they do; there ain't a bat's chance in HELL that Dear Orange Leader will allow them ANY such "access", butt, twat can we say, udder than, stupid people will be stupid?)
Are you going to post anything worthwhile or has the mescaline kicked in already?
I don't see twat Ye Pervfectly See, which justifies Your Trump-Worshit. How much mescaline do I need to take, to see this shit?
What a crazy response to someone that didn't say anything about Trump.
I can smell a brainless Trumpanzee Gone Apeshit from thousands of miles away, via the inter-tubes! They ALL smell horrible!
You should tell the staff you're having olfactory hallucinations.
Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!
You're right, I was just joking.
You should go talk to the staff about who you can smell from thousands of miles away. They'll find it very interesting!
Mix in some of your best jokes!
"Smell" = = loose term for "detect".
If hateful xenophobes can call peacefully walking around and crossing Magic Lines in the Sand = = "invasions", then I can "smell" and detect their UDDER BULLSHIT and report their shit RIGHT HERE!!!
JS;dr
Gears Grimy and Stripped; SNOT worth reading! Shirley snot worth heeding either!
JS;dr
Once basic concepts of constitutional rights, such as habeas corpus is eliminated for one group of people, it is eliminated for every one. We must stand up strong for the rights of those who deserve them the least.
Too bad you weren't here during the Civil War to protect the slavers. They'd have loved you.
The "Civil..." what? You fucking retarded bot.
Are... are you retarded scottie? What are you struggling with here? Did you fail 5th grade civics?
War of Secession would be a more accurate description, but that was still a pretty retarded response by scot.
Why not go full Lost Cause and call it the War of Northern Aggression?
That’s something more in line with you democrat filth.
Cute.
Were you calling him a fucking retarded bot because it was technically a war of secession?
Thanks for asking, samefag. Appreciate the data.
You're welcome, slimy pile of shit, especially for your bigotry.
Fuck off and die, asshole; make your family proud.
Hey fag, maybe you should just fuck off put of here.
"Once basic concepts of constitutional rights, such as habeas corpus is eliminated for one group of people, it is eliminated for every one."
How many times have you had to repeat G6?
Does he need to have the FBI bring a cover sheet titled "Invasion" for you to believe it Jacob? Or does that only count for you when it's a D committing such frauds?
Demon-Craps did shit first and worst! Therefor we must accept TWATEVER TRUMP AND TRUMPISTS WANT TO DO!!!!
(Shit is only FAIR and balanced!)
The Leader can never be questioned.
Dear Orange Leader ***IS*** Government Almighty, which LOVES us ALL, more than we can ever know!!!
(He is Righteously Without Sin! I read that EVERY DAY, right HERE, in these that them thar Far-Right Cumments!)
Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers
Government loves me, This I know,
For the Government tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
My Nannies tell me so!
GAWD does love me, yes indeed,
Keeps me safe, and gives me feed,
Shelters me from bad drugs and weed,
And gives me all that I might need!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
My Nannies tell me so!
DEA, CIA, KGB,
Our protectors, they will be,
FBI, TSA, and FDA,
With us, astride us, in every way!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
My Nannies tell me so!
Ask Riley's or Nungaray's mothers if mass migration is a threat to public safety.
The native-born are ALSO threats to the Sacred Pubic Welfare! Some of them DO cummit murders!!! Send them ALL, these DIRTY invaders, back UP the birth canals that they came from!!!
Shit never ceases to amaze me, how the "logic" of the brutal cave-dwellers justifies just about ANYTHING that they want to do! Hey... Timmy McVeigh was a mass murderer and A WHITE DUDE!!! Therefor, let us send to El Salvador, without trial, for duly deserved TORTUROUS PUNISHMENT, all of the white dudes!!!
If you are indeed a Libertarian, then how do you expect to preserve Libertarianism with open borders? (Hint: 60% of Latino men voted for Trump last November)
Udder Worshit of Sacred Lines in the Sand is hardly Libertarianism... Get rid of Government Almighty forced charity choices (AKA welfare), and open the borders, FAR more open than they are now!
Allow more Hispanics here, and let them vote, and they will VERY SOON know better than voting for Trump, and unprovoked wars on free trade and on illegal sub-humans! PAPERS PLEASE, Cumrade! Shit is the "Libertarian" way!
So, you admit you're a leftist who wants open borders to create a permanent Democrat Party majority in the entire country. Thanks for outing yourself - now I know not to waste my time trying to "reason" with you.
Parting shot: It didn't work. Again, 60% of Latino men voted for Trump. I had to repeat that because you're below-average brain didn't catch the meaning of it the first time. Let me know if you need me to explain it to you.
So, you admit that You're a Satanic, Evil-One-Worshitting Necrophiliac who PervFectly Lusts after torturing, killing, and drinking the blood of all of the Christian new-born babies, especially if they are illegal sub-humans, or might grow up to be Drag Queens or Trump-disrespecters.
Thanks for clarifying that for me!
Please ask the nurse for a PRN.
That's a spastic lying pile of shit asshole, NOT a libertarian.
“ Ask Riley's or Nungaray's mothers if mass migration is a threat to public safety.”
Some illegals are murderers. So? That can be said about any group. Illegals aren’t inherently criminal. Quite the opposite.
They’re literally committing a crime by just being here you dumb bitch. They are inherently criminal. And they’re a group THAT ISN’T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
Are you really this stupid?
Much like war, rapid actions demand rapid response.
And congress is anything but rapid.
It is weird that the same guy who for years cried the J6 was an invasion or Insurrection claims here 10s of millions of illegals causing crimes, costing tens of billions, etc is not.
No one here claimed J6 was an invasion. An insurrection, yes.
Yet no one was ever charged with that. Is it just perhaps that you democrats are power hungry Marxist cunts that lack even a shred of integrity and decided to terrorize your political opponents?
Crime rates are unironically lower now than at most points in American history. If it is a "war" now enabling the suspension of habeas corpus, why didn't they suspend it during the previous eras?
Just stop with this pure retardation. Just because crime isn't as bad as the 70s doesn't mean the current uptick that you window lickers caused is acceptable.
So "unacceptable" means "shut off habeas corpus"?
"Unacceptable" means to the people victimized by the crime that you are a slimy pile of TDS-addled shit who should fuck off and die.
It wouldn't be necessary if your President Weekend at Bernie's before Trump hadn't let the hordes in unabated and illegally in the first place.
Are people really this stupid?
So you don't oppose the suspension of habeas corpus outright, you just oppose the suspension based on "crime rates". What exact rate of crime do you authoritatively declare to be acceptable for the suspension of habeas corpus? If you don't have a rate because you're principally opposed, then why did you invoke the rate? If you do have a rate that you consider to be authoritatively correct, why would anyone regard you as anything different than Trump aside from your authority being less democratically (il)legitimate?
I could go further to point out how, repeatedly, the crime rate numbers have been fudged and under reported. Even further to point out how the system itself has been wielded against private individuals effectively converting crimes committed, corrosion of social cohesion, into 'pillars of democracy and free society'. I could go *even further* to point out that anybody dimly aware of family values or market forces or social networks would realize that one narrow metric is an exceptionally stupid means by which to judge the robustness or stability or overall health of any complex system. However, really, between either of your answers, the real reason you're invoking crime rates is evident. You aren't here to defend habeas corpus.
Good Grief ... Stiiilllll beating this D E A D horse?
The Senate confirmed the use of the Aliens Enemy Act.
Congress is Constitutionally authorized to set border control.
You lost. Deal with it.
The Senate has no say in the matter. And the whole point is that Trump is not following the law as Congress passed.
Does it escape your tiny-brain that the Senate is not only half of congress but the very arbitration body of Congress?
Arbitration body? Where did you get that?
By thinking, ass-wipe. We know that is a mystery to you: Fuck off and die.
Its constant confirming (appointees, impeachments, etc, etc) duties in the US Constitution.
Keep digging for your 'needle' in the haystack that somehow magically, against common-sense, grants uninvited squatters rights-to this nation.
Here's a big-fat needle your party-partisan blinders will never acknowledge for you. Maybe DEMOCRATS should've never written, pushed and passed the Alien Enemies Act and handed the Executive sole authority over immigration?
It's been Democrats all along F'ing up the very definition (i.e. US Constitution) of this nation. Blaming Trump for what THEY THEMSELVES have done is 100% Leftard Self-Projection.
I am pretty good about following MAGA BS logic. But you lost me.
Democrats passed the UN-Constitutional Aliens Enemy Act legislation.
If you don't approve of executive immigration control (and an endless list of other UN-Constitutional Acts) you should never vote for a Democrat.
No, you are incapable of following anything like "logic", steaming pile of lefty shit. Fuck off and die.
No Tony, you’re too retarded for that. You’re a vapid, raving faggot. A living stereotype.
WRONG!
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/aea-venezuelans-gangs/2025/05/13/id/1210819/
“A federal judge ruled Tuesday that President Donald Trump has the authority to invoke a wartime law to deport members of a Venezuelan gang he designated a terrorist group, deepening a judicial divide and prompting calls for swift Supreme Court intervention, The Hill reported.
Trump can use the Alien Enemies Act to deport members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, a federal judge ruled Tuesday, breaking with several other courts that have blocked the administration's actions under the 18th century law.”
Too bad, so sad. Trump is right, and you are wrong.
The best use of this bald fuck is as a dildo up Trump's ass. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is already the case.
Whatever turns you in on.
"First judge approves Trump invoking Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelans"
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5298369-trump-alien-enemies-act-venezuelans/amp/
"A federal judge ruled Tuesday that President Trump can invoke the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) to remove Tren de Aragua members but determined the administration has provided insufficient notice before carrying out the deportations. "
Judge still added her own term of 21 days not found in the act.
MAGA uses "invasion" to mean nonviolent immigration they don't like, the same way that wokists use "violence" to mean speech they disagree with. They're basically the same at this point.
So peaceful mice in your house isn't an invasion? /s
What-ever kind of BS it takes to make-up rights for visitors...
I'll ask again, what is your definition of invasion?
Military has to be involved.
Uninvited Squatters can't invade a house unless they have a MiLiTaRy! /s
Is this the ... How many BS excuses can you pull out of your *ss game?
"MAGA uses "invasion" to mean nonviolent immigration they don't like, the same way that wokists use "violence" to mean speech they disagree with. They're basically the same at this point."
1) You are an ignoramus.
or
2) You are pitching an agenda and willing to lie in order to do so.
Off hand, I'm guessing the later; prove me wrong. Or STFU.
You really don't get it, do you Jacob.
The Democrats are not going to see Executive power again for at least a decade. And the MAGA types are all too happy to fight "fire with fire."
So, if I'm Trump, and I'm talking to my MAGAs, here's what I say:
"Guys, I've tried everything and you can see I'm being stymied at every step. So, I'm not saying I want you all to just start killing the illegals - but... hey, if you're accused of violent crimes against non-citizens, let's just say that the DOJ will treat you the way the Biden Admin treated BLM and Antifa. And I have it on good authority that many governors and prosecutors will take the same approach. A perfunctory court hearing, a release on minimum bail, maybe an ankle monitor at worst. Y'know, real revolving door court type thing. But... y'know, best behavior, OK? *wink*"
Worst case scenario, border jumping criminals become an exclusively blue state problem. (Which, honestly, is a fair compromise on the illegal aliens issue.)
But as a Catholic and a Conservative and a GDI, I am pleading with folks like you and all the border jumper criminals and visa abusers you're going to bat for:
Illegals, go home. Now. We're even offering you free flights out at this point. Get out, because the Trump Administration - and worse, MAGA - is promising AND CAN DELIVER on much harsher actions than you even think you're facing right now.
You DON'T get it Jacob. This is the ONLY message you should be sending: "Get out. Go home. Leave now. Or else a world of pain is coming, and nobody who can do anything about it will feel sorry for you."
Because that's what Donald is promising, and what MAGA is REALLY promising if DJT can't deliver. If you care even slightly about these border jumping criminals and these visa exploiting agitators and terrorists, you'd be doing what I'm doing.
Urging them, with every compassionate and life/liberty-respecting bone in my body, to GET OUT NOW before the MAGA axe really comes down. They don't have any right to be here, nobody is going to save them, and Trump - to his credit! - has actually been very magnanimous in his dealings with them so far. He's given them an exit plan that the taxpayers will accept.
But if they don't.... if they keep pushing their entitlement and arrogance...
Because the MAGA-right is pissed, and they're the majority now. There is no stopping this for the foreseeable future.
The TDS-addled slimy pile of shit Sullum's understanding of reality is non-existent.
Get fucked with a barb-wire wrapped broomstick and go off to bleed to death, ass-wipe.
Trump defenders see waves of genetic Democrats displacing good white people. These vermin Californize wherever they go.
So it’s best to say no. Fuck you. Stay home brown people. Trump defenders aren’t racist. They hate your politics. Not your skin color.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of steaming lefty shit.
The bleeding means you need to use more lotion or lube. Considering your propensity for buggering, I’ll toss you the lube. Use it up. If I need any I’ll steal it from SGT.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lying lefty shit.
BTW, the 'bleeding' is from your ass as Biden twits stick that barb-wire wrapped broomstick up there, steaming pile of lying lefty shit.
Lizard Cheney strapped on a big black dildo and went to town on your butthole!! Btw, using a black dildo is cultural appropriation so not only did you take it up the butthole but you will get cancelled!! Lizard Cheney is doing just fine living in Jackson Wyoming where you can’t even afford to get within 200 miles of the town! 😉
"They hate your politics" ... of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
"Not your skin color."
TRUE!!! Again!!!
It's amazing how wise you get when you think you're poking fun at someone.
Two things, neither of which are really commentaries on this particular possibility.
1. He wouldn’t even be the third President to do so. That’s fucking wild.
2. Some of you may want to check a dictionary on the multiple definitions of “invasion”. (Pro tip: not all of them have to do with a military.) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/invasion
They know they're using bullshit semantics. "Military invasion" would be a redundant term if they actually believed invasions can only definitionally involve foreign government constructed and directed armed forces
JS;dr
This is such a dishonest thing to complain about right now. The bottom line is if you're here illegally then you need to gtfo and the government has the right to force it if you refuse to comply. The Trump administration has decided to focus on deporting violent criminals first because that should be easier and has more public support. Despite that, Reason and the left have still made a big deal about getting rid of foreign gang members and other violent criminals. It seems like the consistent principle is pro-illegal and pro-criminal and these arguments of due process are just a cop-out in support of bad actors.
I really doubt that many people have a problem with deporting violent criminals. The problem that people have is with the manner in which it is being done. Emergency powers are being activated under false pretense to allow federal agents to disappear people off the street and send them to foreign torture prisons without any due process. That's not what America stands for, and that is what people have a problem with. Honest people understand this. Liars claim that the problem is with deporting violence criminals, not the manner in which it is being done. I expect that from pieces of shit like Jesse. I guess you're a skid mark on the underwear of society as well.
It seems like the consistent principle is pro-illegal and pro-criminal and these arguments of due process are just a cop-out in support of bad actors.
And this is the attitude that separates libertarians from conservatives.
Libertarians: I will defend your rights to do things that I disagree with.
Conservatives: If you do things that I disagree with, that means you are a 'bad actor' and therefore don't deserve rights.
Jeffy defines crime: "doing things I don't agree with". If you want criminals deported or prosecuted, you're intolerant and not a Jeffy Libertarian.
Some Libertarians: The government should be as small as possible, defending the common border and the rights of its citizens.
Some other Libertarians: Borders shouldn’t exist and you’re a conservative if you disagree with me.
MasterThief - The question here is: how do you know they are violent criminals? How do you know the person you arrested is here illegally? And what about the students who are here legally? Habeas corpus protects your right to remain free while the "due process" of criminal charges, trials, verdicts and sentencing take place. The habeas corpus hearing itself is "due process" and the judge has the option of denying bail if the suspect is a serious threat. Are you simply taking Trump and his minions' word for it? If so, you're a fool who does not deserve citizenship.
It’s hard to get convicted when DA’s around the country are specifically not charging people due to their race/immigration status. Just saying.
Just saying ... what, exactly? What does that have to do with suspension of habeas corpus, due process or serious mistakes by law enforcement officers?
As yet, I have seen nothing about that word "suspending".
Is it not reasonable to argue that the accused retain their right to habeas corpus, only delayed until the extreme emergency has passed? While time is thus frozen, the government would be allowed to hold them in humane detention, but under a presumption of innocence, since not proven guilty.
Surely the idea of suspension does not obviate the need to file charges, permit a presumption of guilt, or allow for sentence to be carried out.
More rule by emergency powers! That hidden enumerated power that rules all.
Since when has the government abided by the Constitution?
Now would be a good time to start. If Trump actually intended to eliminate unconstitutional laws, regulations, spending and Federal departments he could have done so in the first week with or without Musk and DOGE. Since he scoffs at the rule of law and since the Constitution has been repeatedly and systematically bypassed over many decades, he certainly had the excuse to do it that way. But, no ... he's only interested in deporting aliens and financially punishing our trading partners unconstitutionally.
While discussions of original intent and legal definitions are certainly interesting and pertinent, the REAL question here is: WHERE IN THE HELL IS THE SUPREME COURT?! Some of us were taught way back in grammar school that the Judiciary's main purpose was to apply and interpret the Constitution of the United States of America. Lately the Supremes seem to be absent without leave ... and even when we hear from them on these crucial issues, it's usually to hand down a no-nuts, evasive, incomplete and grossly unsatisfying wishy-washy ruling instead of taking a stand, doing their jobs and asserting the rule of law. One might have thought that an impending Constitutional crisis would be an appropriate time for them to stop lurking and cowering, but one would be wrong. Shame on them!
you lost on the Alien Enemies Act yesterday
As sane a course of action as can be imagined. Current naysayers said nothing as millions came across the border, were lost track of, and had no path to citizenship. So ask them and not Trump. THis is Biden 100%. I am not a Trumper but Kamala made me see the light
After 3 years on her assss she said
"We are very clear, and I think most Americans are clear, that we have a broken immigration system and we need to fix it," Harris said in March of this year.
So she knows but did and does NOTHING.
"Do not come. Do not come. The United States will continue to enforce our laws and secure our borders," Harris said in a speech from Guatemala.
"If you come to our border, you will be turned back."
Who can disagree : "Kamala Harris is one of two things: 1. The architect of the TEN MILLION illegal alien invasion into America... or 2. The total and complete failure who couldn't secure the border. The first is treason. Both are disqualifying."
Current naysayers can speak for themselves and we said LOTS of things as illegals flocked across the borders over the years. For example, we said repeatedly that the immigration quotas were stupid and set up to fail. We said that we should let anyone who wants to come here in legally, let them support themselves while they're here and concentrate on the few who cross the borders with criminal intent. That would totally eliminate 99.99% of the problems we face now. There is zero evidence of a crime wave perpetrated by illegal immigrants, the vast majority of whom came here to work and have been contributing to our economy greatly ever since. If you object to local or state expenses due to welfare for immigrants, take it up with your state officials.
I object to welfare and taxation. Eliminate the last and the welfare will be charity, like it used to be. Keep taxes and rights are not protected, especially "property" (assets). Violate one right, all are violated, in principle, but the U.S. govt. has been steadily losing all principles since inception. It is relying on its mandate from voters to use coercion, deadly threats, fraud.