Immigrants Are a Boon to the U.S. Economy
Studies have continuously shown that migrants create more jobs than they destroy.

President Donald Trump is deporting immigrants—11,000 last month.
Some people are unhappy about that.
Last week a judge ordered a stop to Trump's removal of Venezuelan nationals. (Deportation happened anyway.)
I definitely want immigrant criminals deported.
Trump says migrant crime is "happening at levels that nobody thought possible!"
But that's not true.
Researching my new video, I learned that immigrants are actually less likely to get into trouble than native-born Americans.
Texas, the only state that tracks immigrant crime, compares convictions per 100,000 Americans. Score: illegal immigrants, 782; legal immigrants, 535; native-born Americans, 1,422. It's the opposite of what most of us have heard.
But even if immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, there are other reasons to object to immigration:
1) Immigrants take jobs away from Americans.
2) They freeload off our welfare system.
3) They threaten our culture.
I'll take them point by point.
Tucker Carlson complains, "These new rivals compete primarily with the very Americans most likely to have lost their jobs."
He's right. Migrants take jobs from some Americans, and some Americans are out of work. But unemployment is relatively low: 4.1 percent. It was 8.8 percent when I was first hired by ABC.
Today, companies complain that they can't find enough people willing to show up on time and work.
In addition, "Every serious economic study," says Yaron Brook of the Ayn Rand Institute, shows immigrants "create more jobs than they destroy. You might lose your job, but you live now in a society that has…more opportunities, because many immigrants are entrepreneurs."
They sure are. Immigrants started SpaceX, eBay, Instacart, Uber, NVIDIA, SanDisk, etc.
"We benefit enormously from our interaction with immigrants," says Brook. "Who has the right to stop us from that interaction?!…It's like saying: 'I have a right to stagnate and to force all of you to stagnate with me.'"
What about the second point? Immigrants freeloading off welfare? Illegal immigrants actually don't qualify for most benefits, but some politicians give tax money away anyway. Some give migrants credit cards. Also, immigrants' kids often attend public schools, hospitals treat them for free (seems cruel not to), and they benefit from public services available to everyone in America.
"The way to deal with that is not to restrict immigration," says Brook. "Deal with that by restricting the goodies."
Why not restrict immigration?
"Immigrants are a massive benefit to Americans," he says.
It's true.
Trump says, "Legal immigration. I like it. We need people."
But even illegal immigrants are a net gain. Not just because they harvest our food, do construction, etc., but also because Social Security and Medicare taxes are deducted from their paychecks. That's money they never get back because they're not legal.
As a result, undocumented immigrants pay more into our economy than they get back.
Some Americans say, "I support immigration, but migrants should get in line and obey the laws."
But for most migrants, that's almost impossible.
Under our current rules, many would have to wait more than 100 years!
"Legal immigration is unbelievably complicated," says Brook. "It's almost impossible to come here."
Trump proposes selling a type of green card for $5 million.
Maybe that's a good idea.
Brook says, "Let in anyone with a job offer." That's a good idea.
But then there's concern number three: "We are bringing in peasant cultures," complains pundit Ann Coulter.
Brook replies, "There are good people in every culture. When [the] Irish came, they were accused of being barbarians. Every wave of immigrants has been accused of the same thing. The fact is…they assimilate quite well, no matter where they come from."
I push back, "Some are Muslim fundamentalists who bring in ideas we don't like. Some are socialists."
"Yes," Brook answers, "But if we are confident in the ideas that we have, individual rights…capitalism and liberty, we should fight for those ideas. It's Americans who teach at our universities that the Founding Fathers were terrible human beings."
By contrast, most immigrants like America!
Let more in.
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Start by consciously differentiating between legal and illegal immigration.
We naturalized over 900K citizens last year alone, so the argument that this nation is 'anti-immigrant' is ludicrous.
Try reading more than the title.
“Just ignore our lies!”
Try having the nuance to understand the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens, dip.
The United States issues about a million green cards per year. The foreign born population of the United States is about 13.7% or over 45 million.
Those are not numbers that indicate immigrating to the US is impossible, except maybe compared to demand for immigrant status. How much of the entire world population are we required to stuff within our borders? Are there really no diminishing returns on immigrants or other social problems with significantly increasing immigration above current levels?
It's not impossible. Just very difficult.
https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf
Are we required then to open up enough immigration slots to satisfy the world demand? How many would that be?
I'm all for letting in anyone who wants to work. Work. Not go on welfare, but work. Not asylum seekers, job seekers. Not criminals or deadbeats. Workers. As long as they're working and paying taxes, what's the problem? Besides, the government Ponzi schemes that neither party are willing to cut need fresh meat, and we're not reproducing fast enough.
I'm all for letting in anyone who wants to work. Work. Not go on welfare, but work.
Well, we've already failed that low bar, so what now?
That's not even remotely true. Letting in people who want to work would look like Ellis Island, not a decade long process with no guarantee. We have not tried that at all, despite what politicians and the liars who defend them say.
As it is we've got low fences and narrow gates. I want high fences and wide gates.
And again, the gates are only "narrow" relative to the demand.
So you do not have any idea what that actually means in terms of numbers?
No, I do not. And anyone who says they do is probably lying.
If at 1 million green cards a year makes it "impossible", then for it to not be "impossible" would have to be considerably more, if not by multiples.
I don't know. We don't know how many people enter the country illegally to find work. There are estimates, but they're just guesses. I would imagine the number would be roughly the number who come here legally to work plus the number who come here illegally to work plus the number who want to but don't take the risk. Whatever that is.
""I'm all for letting in anyone who wants to work. ""
But the law has a process for that. They need to follow the law.
Sometimes the law is bad or the process sucks. Need to consider that too.
And do you follow absolutely every law to the letter? I know I don't.
We already get more than 1/2 of all world immigrants
It's not that difficult for some. Some people whose names shall not be mentioned are often mysteriously fast-tracked for green cards while other 'normies' wait years.
One million immigrants a year says otherwise.
The problem with 900K "green cards" in USA is that they mostly go to family members of US citizens. Only 120K greencards an year are issued to people based on skills/employment. So around ~10% are going to high skilled people who we know to possess skills the country would appreciate.
There is no reasonable path to greencard for a Phd Indian student or Chiense student these days. Two of the largest countries producing a lot of high quality human talent.
There's a difference between open borders —
* willing
* voluntary
* want to be here
* work hard
* adapt to the culture
* expect no handouts
— and open boarders
* enticed by the free handouts
* intend to take advantage of all that they can
* criminals escaping justice at home and looking for fresh victims
* refugees almost kidnapped and brought here without knowing anything about the place
* contempt for the existing culture
* think they are entitled because of their hardships
— these are not the same. No one seems to care about the difference. The xenophobes pretend they are all an evil drain on society. The do-gooders see no evil, whether from blindness or having kicked the immigrants down the road to be somebody else's problem.
I don't really gave a hoot if they jumped the fence or followed all the idiotic rules. I do care why they are here and what they are doing. Work your ass off and act like a guest until you blend in; or steal, rape, and murder: their choice.
The parents of Laken Riley would voice their opinions.
Liberals, on the other hand don't care.
"But if we are confident in the ideas we have..."
Look at what happened when the Hamtramck MI city council went super majority Muslim. They dropped the pieties of their former social liberal allies like a hot potato because they no longer had a use for them.
You undermine your values when you import a population that does not share them and you reject assimilation. You are not defending your political culture doing that.
Why aren't they a boon to their own nations' economies?
They don’t have magic dirt there.
It's not magic dirt, it's magic economic freedom (to the extent that that still exists).
...to the exent it still exists....
If I move to another country and come back here later, does that give me a 2x modifier to my economy boon powers? If I do it again, is that 4x? I want to help my country as much as I can.
That's a pretty good question, and I have never heard any of these people ASK it, let alone answer it. Given that most of Central America has every natural resource a country could possibly pray for, including loads of hard-working people, the answer has to be "their culture fucking sucks." So sorry, but I don't want it here. Come (legally) if you want to ASSIMILATE. Fuck off if you don't.
ICE detention centers practically pay for themselves!
That's really not a difficult question. A lot of countries' economies are terrible and unproductive because of socialist bullshit, too much "help" from outside, or just plain corruption and theft. Can't blame people for wanting to go somewhere where they can make a living and make a better life for their children.
About 10 million foreigners enter the US every year for business, visiting family, or vacation. That establishes that there is a capacity to get 10 million into the country every year. About 2 million have been crossing every year as well, but illegally.
How is 12 million immigrants coming to the country every year anything but a disaster? Prior to Biden proponents of unlimited immigration would have said 2 million illegals per year was an unrealistic scare tactic.
. . . Texas, the only state that tracks immigrant crime, compares convictions per 100,000 Americans. . .
Number of convictions does not equal the number of crimes. Many crimes go unreported, especially in the underground communities. Drug dealers don't report getting robbed. Prostitutes don't report getting beaten. Illegal aliens don't report getting victimized by illegal aliens...
Number of convictions is almost meaningless for measuring crime rates.
I actually don't see Johns link here. It is probably the CATO study that based convictions based on immigration status known at arrest. Which CATO later admitted used flawed data as status wasn't determined at arrest.
But even the numbers John gives here doesn't match the most recent arrest numbers for illegals that John used. In fact it looks like he is using numbers for just legal immigrants, and ignoring illegal immigrants.
Very few crimes end see people get arrested, let alone convicted. About 60% for murder, 25% for rape.
And those are primarily reported crimes. It lacks the unknowable quantity of unreported crimes.
And further supports my assertion that convictions are not a meaningful metric of crime rates.
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This is always the argument they make despite the fact that it's utterly wrong and completely proximity biased. If someone who doesn't live around you and you've never seen before commits a crime you're less likely to report it *and* it's less likely to be solved than if you see your neighbor committing a crime.
The fact that they keep using it despite the obvious flaw(s) is unimaginably stupid. It's like the argument that we should repeal The Jones Act so that shipping between AL and LA can be as free as the shipping between Germany and France.
Illegal aliens don't report getting victimized by illegal aliens...
Unless it's politically convenient that their 10 yr. old daughter be able to get an abortion without anyone asking any questions. Then it skips all the usual channels that would handle such a criminal mess and goes straight to the Chief Hand Puppet.
Is there good evidence that non-reporting of crime is higher for crimes committed by immigrants than by citizens? There are plenty of citizens who live in underground/informal situations, deal drugs, are prostitutes, etc. And there are plenty of citizens victimized by illegals who don't have the incentive not to report the crime. It may well be that more crimes committed by illegals go unreported than those committed by citizens or legal aliens. But I haven't seen anything that convinces me of that so far.
good point
Trump complained last term that so many immigrants come from s**thole countries and asked why there aren't more immigrants coming from Norway. It seems, like Ann Coulter, he wants to avoid peasant cultures, or have more immigrants on the upper end of the Family Guy "OK" scale:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2626870/mediaviewer/rm3592634368
Who said immigrants (legal or illegal) "destroy" jobs?
But even illegal immigrants are a net gain. Not just because they harvest our food, do construction, etc., but also because Social Security and Medicare taxes are deducted from their paychecks. That's money they never get back because they're not legal.
That makes a whole 900 page novel of wishcasting assumptions.
1. It assumes they're being paid over the table.
1b. It presumes they're using a stolen or false SSN that isn't being caught by the system.
2. It assumes they're magically unable to draw social security with their fake SSN that wasn't caught by the system for the years that they were working, but will magically catch when they're eligible to draw SS benefits.
3. It assumes they won't draw SS benefits such as disability-- which can happen long before retirement.
5. It only discusses the federal benefit of social security, saying nothing about the state benefits such as free healthcare which they're legally entitled to, regardless of their identification status: Real or fake.
Looks like someone has never heard of something called an ITIN. Look it up.
Never said it did. Just saying that that's what's used by people who don't have an SSN.
These are the government services and assistance we are REPEATEDLY told are either not available or they're not taking advantage of.
These are the government services and assistance we are REPEATEDLY told are either not available or they're not taking advantage of.
Strawman alert! No one is saying that. What people actually are saying is that the vast majority of illegals (that doesn't mean asylum seekers and others who have legal status despite what liars say) just keep their heads down and work. Yes the system is abused by some. The only ones who deny that are the strawman Trump defenders argue against. What those of us who want to make it easier for people who want to work to come here and work actually say, and it's even in the video of you bother to watch it, is that they should not have access to freebies. If they're here to work then they need to work.
""But even illegal immigrants are a net gain. ""
I really don't think NYC has received more money that they paid out to illegal immigrants.
I'd say the main problem there is the paying out. Don't subsidize them and there will be fewer.
But unemployment is relatively low: 4.1 percent. It was 8.8 percent when I was first hired by ABC.
So all those homeless people in the tents at the bottom of my hill are currently part of the 'unemployment' statistic? Or might they be part of the 'workforce participation' statistic?
Or "victims of capitalism".
In addition, conveniently ignoring the recent statistic that the vast majority of new employment this past year was among immigrants legal and illegal. Yes, they are taking American jobs. Yes, they are suppressing wages. Yes, housing is short due to a high influx of immigrants.
Oh, and this is the last I'll say on this, I don't take issue with his headline: Immigrants are a boon to the US economy.
That statement, without context and in a vacuum is probably true.
Yeah, kind of like claiming "Chemicals are good for your health." It sort of depends on which chemicals we're talking about.
but also because Social Security and Medicare taxes are deducted from their paychecks.
Stoss, you may not want to overstate that. Certainly some do, but many are 1099'd with no withholding taxes held.
Explain the value the Venezuelan drug gangs bring in, Stossel.
Explain to the people who are extorted how great it's going to be for other people in a decade with all the great economic growth some other illegal immigrants will provide someone else somewhere else.
Also, are we seriously still conflating legal and illegal immigration?
>but also because Social Security and Medicare taxes are deducted from their paychecks.
Why does the argument for more immigration always devolve into 'we need an permanent underclass to support us?'
The Democrats have always been the party of slavery.
nobody needs to white knight the immigants, Stossel we're already aware of the blueberries
... compares convictions per 100,000 Americans. Score: illegal immigrants, 782; legal immigrants, 535; native-born Americans, 1,422. It's the opposite of what most of us have heard.
All well and good but is it reality? I see it says "convictions per 100,000 Americans" but doesn't define Americans? Is that citizens, citizens + green card holders, all legal residents (including H1B and other visa holders without a green card), or all and sundry?
Either way it doesn't really matter but it certainly shows the disparity of counting properly. Let's just say if the "native-born" category consists of 80% of the country, "legal immigrants" make up 15%, and "illegal immigrants" just 5%. In that case those numbers mean that nearly ~52% of crime is commited by the 80% of "native", ~19.5% is commited by the 15% of "legal", and ~28.5% of all crimes is due to the tiny 5% of "illegals". Feel free to dig around and substitute more accurate numbers, I'm just guessing here.
Seems to me that the only category whose representation of crime conviction rate is lower than their actual representation in the population is "native-born Americans" so perhaps we should be rather particular about who we open the doors to.
Even taken at face value and good faith there's a proximity and information or survivor bias issues.
If your neighbor (or ex or SO's ex or ex's Brother...) breaks into your house, you call the cops and say "My neighbor (or ex or SO's ex or ex's Brother...) broke into my house." and the cops go next door, where he lives, and they pick him up.
If someone whom you've never seen before breaks into your house, you call the cops and say "Someone broke into my house." and the cops ask for a description. If the description is so vague that they don't think they could possibly find the guy, they assess the damage done to decide if charges get filed and they will engage in a fruitless pursuit and/or advise you to contact your insurer.
Good point. I believe statisticians call Mr. Stossel's error a "Fallacy of Composition."
Oh come on, Reason. Immigrants are not a "boon" to the economy. They are scum, vermin, roaches who infest the country and transform it into a shithole. They need to be driven out by any means necessary. They don't have any rights, only citizens have rights! The only reason migrants aren't murdered on the spot by the government is because the government is *merciful* to them. Well, that mercy is running out now that Big Boss Trump is in charge. Time to kick them out using the very rigorous due process standard of "because I said so". And if you don't agree you aren't a real patriot. USA! USA! USA!
Yes Jeff we get it, you're a tren de aragua stan.
Open Borders policies didn't work too well for the Romans, the Chinese Song dynasty, or Native Americans.
In fact, the only people who seem to benefit are the new arrivals and a few wealthy natives who manage to exploit pretty much anyone involved.
"I definitely want immigrant criminals deported."
Oh, so the illegals who hopped the border and cut in front of people fleeing African hellscapes should be deported? Good, we agree. Kick 'em all out.
"Researching my new video, I learned that immigrants are actually less likely to get into trouble than native-born Americans."
Hey, look at that canard! You mean the same shit you open-borders folks have been claiming for decades came as a surprise to you just now, John? First off, I don't believe the statistic, which is impossible to verify and is collected by people who have an agenda at work. And secondly, even if it were true, who the fuck cares? If some freak breaks into my house, smashes the television and shoots my wife, what should my response be? "Well, statistically the majority of household shootings and TV smashings are caused by legal occupants, so we should all welcome more invaders into our homes."
Fuck that and fuck you, Stossel. You are too smart to be writing this rudimentary xenophelia on accident, so shame on you.
I don't disagree John.
The problem is the minimum wage. We've shoved so much artificial overhead on American producers, that it's not worth it to hire Americans. The job itself just isn't worth what the bureaucrats demand be paid.
Illegals are exploiting that market by working for what a job is actually worth.
But the point isn't that "illegals create jobs" - it's that jobs are created when human resources are paid their ACTUAL value.
Researching my new video, I learned that immigrants are actually less likely to get into trouble than native-born Americans.
And Ron Bailey just learned that the COVID vaccines are 100% safe and effective, with no downsides too! What a coincidence!
Once again, the issue with corruption isn't the cost of the corruption itself, it's the sacrifice of all the non-corrupt means by which the same expenditure could've been utilized. Repeating the slanted narratives doesn't make them more true or more believable, it just undermines credibility in journalism and scientific empiricism and, as indicated, is only made worse by the compounding of the dishonesty. Just look at the climate movement.
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
Legal vs illegal. Good gods so many retards.
If you call legal immigrants migrants, everything you say is BS.
Riddle me this - if they are such a boon to the economy, why are their source countries all such an economic mess?
BTW, the Texas study was flawed.
https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality
The government does a very good job of enabling/encouraging able bodied citizens to not work with so many overly generous entitlement programs.
Indeed. Thanks to LBJ/Lying Bastard Johnson, who created the welfare ,warfare state as we know it today.
The democrats have expanded it to the point of bankruptcy all for the future votes of illegal aliens.
Living in the Golden State, I can say with first hand knowledge that this is all poppycock.
Come take a look for yourselves. Visit schools (ESL programs), construction sites or hospital emergency rooms. Almost anything agriculture (my family's background). Or, just the streets of San Jose or Los Angeles.
Multiculturalism is just as big of a lie and failure as these euphemisms for illegal immigration.
Even those of Mexican decent but have generations of U.S. citizenship, like to tell us whitey's that, Mexico may have lost the war in 1848, but they're taking over now.
One of these days, libertarians may figure out that what's good for the economy isn't necessarily good for us.
Whenever you hear a bad idea being justified as "good for the economy", ask yourself, "Would I want this thing if not for the economic benefit?".
Bad ideas with economic benefits are still bad ideas.
Well said. I'm sure that Stossel and his economist buddies will soon be arguing that we should outsource the U.S. military to China because of "economic benefits."
I would also add that Economists have a pretty bad track record: They have missed the last two big recessions, tried to convince us that the last bout of inflation was transitory, that $Trillions in handouts wouldn't cause inflation, and that 15 years of Federal Reserve Quantitative easing was a really good idea.
Sure, that's why California has a $6.2 billion shortfall in its Medi-Cal budget. Also, this:
budget.house.gov/download/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-to-taxpayers
"Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than they pay in taxes."
"...the tax payments of illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create."
congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117257/witnesses/HHRG-118-BU00-Wstate-KirchnerJ-20240508.pdf
"Our estimate, which is a conservative one, is that Americans now pay $150.7 billion dollars annually due to illegal immigration. This figure represents a net cost. In terms of gross expenditures due to illegal immigration, we estimate that Americans pay $182 billion. Approximately $31 billion is received from illegal aliens in taxes, only 17 percent of the costs they create."
Looks like we need to have David Schultz introduce Stossel to reality again.
What does that 180 billion get spent on? How much of that needs to get spent? The spending is up to US politicians, not illegal immigrants.
I don't have a problem with the argument that we can't have both open immigration and a big welfare state. But these costs are not a necessary consequence of illegal immigration. Americans (or their so-called leaders) made the decision to take on those costs.
Illegal Alien is an illegal alien and needs to be deported. Those who commit crimes end up in prison, then deported.
End of argument.
ILLEGALS come here and work for dirt cheap wages and drive wages down for lower income Americans. Big business loves to exploit these people for cheap labor instead of paying Americans a market wage.
That they pay a shit-ton of SS taxes instead of working for cash is naïve. For the ones who do pay SS, they are engaging in identity theft since they shouldn't be able to get a SS # while being illegal, right? That's fraud, no?
Also, acquiescing to illegal immigration despite our LAWS promote lawlessness. Why are illegals exempt while the rest of us must follow them? Reason folks love to bitch about Trump not following the law while advocating for lawlessness in this one area that benefits big corporations the most.
Plus, importing a bunch of low-skilled, non-native language speakers into an area is BAD for that area. A few here or there is fine, but as a country we shouldn't be importing a bunch of basket-cases from shit-hole countries to drain our public resources and radically alter our culture.
John Stossel is right but that hardly matters these days. People believe their own truths regardless of facts.
Amazing how "the facts" never include the $36.7T debt.
Such a boon to the economy the economy is literally bankrupt.
I think it's a kind of hypocrisy. Do you think that big business treats its citizens more humanely? Why go far? Just google how people work on Amazon. Everything will become clear to you right away. I'm not surprised that more and more people are choosing online work like 1xBet apk India. Yes, there are risks and there is no social support like in a regular job, but... it saves time and nerves, which also means a lot.
"Studies have continuously shown that migrants create more jobs than they destroy."
Proving loud and clear that immigrants TAKE more than they GIVE.
You can't logically spin the story both ways at the same time.
Not as-if every study doesn't show exactly that.
51% immigration versus 30% native use Gov-'Gun'em down Commie safety nets.
You just as well be a stupid Democrat and tell everyone MORE Gov-Gun THEFT is a boon to the economy.