The FTC Has No Business Trying To Make Sure Social Media Are 'Fair'
Chairman Andrew Ferguson’s assault on "Big Tech censorship" aims to override editorial decisions protected by the First Amendment.

Many Americans, including me, have had frustrating experiences with content moderation on social media platforms. Andrew Ferguson, the Trump-appointed chairman of the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), wants us to know that such experiences are not just annoying or perplexing; they are "un-American" and "potentially illegal."
Ferguson, who began soliciting complaints about "Big Tech censorship" last week, touts his initiative as a blow against "the tyranny of Big Tech" and "an important step forward in restoring free speech." But like Brendan Carr, the Trump-appointed chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, Ferguson is flexing his regulatory powers in a way that undermines freedom of speech by meddling in private editorial choices.
Last July, the Supreme Court recognized that social media platforms, in deciding which speech to host and how to present it, are performing essentially the same function as newspapers that decide which articles to publish. "Traditional publishers and editors," Justice Elena Kagan wrote in the majority opinion, "select and shape other parties' expression into their own curated speech products," and "we have repeatedly held that laws curtailing their editorial choices must meet the First Amendment's requirements."
That principle, Kagan said, "does not change because the curated compilation has gone from the physical to the virtual world. In the latter, as in the former, government efforts to alter an edited compilation of third-party expression are subject to judicial review for compliance with the First Amendment."
That decision involved Florida and Texas laws that, like Ferguson's dubious assertion of regulatory authority, aimed to fight "Big Tech censorship" by restricting content moderation. Texas said its law was necessary to prevent "viewpoint discrimination," which is presumptively unconstitutional when the government does it.
"The innocent-sounding phrase does not redeem the prohibited goal," Kagan said. "Texas does not like the way those platforms are selecting and moderating content, and wants them to create a different expressive product, communicating different values and priorities. But under the First Amendment, that is a preference Texas may not impose."
Ferguson is attempting something similar by suggesting that social media platforms may be engaging in "unfair or deceptive" trade practices when they "deny or degrade" users' "access to services" based on "the content of users' speech." In practice, ensuring "fair" treatment of users means overriding editorial decisions that the FTC deems opaque, unreasonable, inconsistent, or discriminatory.
The challenge of making sure that social media are "fair and balanced" is illustrated by a 2004 FTC complaint against Fox News. Two left-leaning advocacy groups claimed the news outlet's use of that slogan amounted to deceptive advertising. Assessing that complaint, then-FTC Chairman Timothy Muris noted, would require "evaluating the content" of the channel's news coverage—a probe foreclosed by the First Amendment.
Ferguson's inquiry likewise treads on constitutionally protected judgments. His avowed goal is to increase the diversity of opinions expressed on social media. Like Texas, he wants platforms to offer "a different expressive product" that better fits his personal preferences.
Conservatives rightly objected when the Biden administration pressured social media platforms to suppress "misinformation" that it viewed as a threat to public health, democracy, or national security. They are rightly skeptical of laws that encourage platforms to crack down on "hate speech," a similarly amorphous category that, however you define it, is indisputably covered by the First Amendment.
Those conservatives should not applaud Ferguson as he tries to put the government's thumb on the scale in the name of fairness. If the FTC can second-guess editorial judgments to achieve what a Republican majority thinks is the right mix of opinions, a future commission controlled by Democrats can enforce a different agenda.
"Calling something censorship doesn't make it so, and framing content moderation as 'unfair or deceptive trade practices' does not magically sidestep the First Amendment," notes Ari Cohn, lead counsel for tech policy at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. "And as always, beware—authority claimed while one is in power will still exist when one is not."
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"The FTC Has No Business Trying To Make Sure Social Media Are 'Fair'"
ISWYTD. Social Media is plural in this headline.
SCOTUS has ruled that simply owning property doesn’t empower anyone to violate inalienable rights.
“ The more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”
Marsh v State of Alabama 1946
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/326/501
In order for social media websites to claim “publisher status”, they would have to demonstrate that every comment is submitted with the intent to increase the bottom line of the website.
Presumably this would require contracts with and paying every commenter a fair price for each and every comment.
Otherwise they are merely town squares receiving income from allowing the public to comment freely as guaranteed by the constitution.
I wonder how much they already owe us?
They should be given a simple choice.
1. They can be open forums that allow anyone to post anything, but are not liable for what is posted.
2. They can be publishers that chose what to post, and are liable for the content.
If they chose option 2, and allow someone to commit libel on their platform, I should be able to sue the site for libel.
SCOTUS has already ruled that as soon as any private website invites the public to “communicate” there, the rights of the public, particularly free speech, applies there.
Their “CHOICE” is to either promote communication between people, which is not publishing, OR to “publish” works under contract with creators.
The two are not the same.
If they want to be “publishers” the people being censored need to agree be told what to say. That is NOT the nature of communication.
A platform lives on advertising. If you can’t take out content that your think offends your advertisers and their customers to the extent that they may quit your platform, then you are ceding control of your business to random posters.
By accepting the government's definition of §230, and by letting Biden extort censorship from them, I'd say they are more concerned with sucking up to the administration in power than any kind of principled fair dealing. The administration changed, they need to change how the suck.I have little sympathy.
"content that your think offends your advertisers"
Haha, you idiots always tell on yourselves.
This doesnt make sense to you.
Do you realize how many customers would be offended at seeing atheist content or pro-Hamas content?
Which companies were banning those topics at the behest of government?
How many?
No problem. Just accept liability for the content of users' posts, and you can censor and curate all you like. On the other hand, if you accept the protection from liability for user content under §230, then the other side of that deal is that you accept restrictions on how much editorial control you have. We've been over this many times here. Do we have to keep repeating this?
Or simply enforce standard contract law and hold them liable for any violations of those terms. Hold them to contracts that can be changed on a whim by one side or conscionable terms.
"Just accept liability for the content of users' posts..."
I hope that YOU get punished for what I wrote!!! If sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds can SNOT learn ANYTHING about simple, plain justice, without being personally subjected to injustice... STUPID and EVIL fuckers!!!... Then BRING SHIT DOWN UPON THEM!!! Will they EVER learn?
Gibberish.
I hope that R Mack Who Eats Smack AND Rabbit Turds get punished for what I wrote!!! MAYBE someday Shit will LEARN about justice THAT way, or SOME way... IF shit will also eat enough "smart pills" from under the rabbit hutch!
(Get ban-hammered again, and then PLEASE go away, worthless, stupid, and PervFectly EVIL one!)
Agreed.
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one." ... 'Cause Power Pig said so!
Your large and ugly punishment boner is showing!!! Be decent, and COVER UP, will ya?!?!?
If you want to love animals, pamper your pets. If you love to eat meat, eat meat. Pick one, ONLY one!
You either love animals, or you eat meat… You can NOT do both! All pet owners who eat meat? Their pets will be slaughtered and their pet-meat distributed to the poor! Because I and 51% of the voters said so! And because we are power pigs, and LOOOOOVE to punish people!
“Why should sites that curate content be any different?”
To “curate content” is just to pick and choose. News reporters (of all kinds, and publishers of letters to the editor) do it all day every day. Shall we sue ALL of their socks off, for selectively reporting what OTHER people said? And if Trump gives an hour-long boring speech, and the paper (TV station, etc.) reports only 3 sentences of said shit, should we PUNISH them for that? Fucking power pigs, all of ye!
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one. When you exercise editorial control, you are a publisher."
I’ve heard this utter balderdash from an endless army of marching morons! Using the VERY simple principle of “speech is speech is also writing or any other method of idea conveyance”, then WHAT is “editorial control”? It is simply, picking and choosing what to repeat or report, and what to ignore!
Examples:
Der TrumpfenFuhrer goes on and on and ON AND ON for 2 hours, telling us all just HOW wonderful he is. In the middle of all this boredom, He says, “And voters should only be allow to vote “R”, and NOT for “D” or “L”, ‘cause ALL “D” and “L” votes are fraudulent!” … Now if the media reports ONLY the juicy excerpt from Der TrumpfenFuhrer’s endless blathering, they are clearly “editing”… So we can SUE them (the media) for quoting Der TrumpfenFuhrer said, right, right-wing wrong-nuts? Media LIED to us by omitting context!!!
Der BidenFuhrer goes on and on and ON AND ON for 5 hours, telling us all just HOW wonderful Hunter Biden’s artwork is. In the middle of all this boredom, He says, “And income taxes need to be set to 98% for EVERYONE!” … Now if the media reports ONLY the juicy excerpt from Der BidenFuhrer’s endless blathering, they are clearly “editing”… So we can SUE them (the media) for quoting (“out of context, edited”) what Der BidenFuhrer said, right, left-wing wrong-nuts?
Partisan POWER PIG bullshit all the way down!
Yes, for personal freedom to apply to YOU, you either love animals, and keep a pet or pets, or you HATE animals, and eat meat… You can NOT do both!
How do you not know this?
Honest question, because I've never really known a crazy person. When you're in your bunny ears jacking off on your electric train set, do you think to yourself, "Holy shit, I'm really fucking nuts. I should get some help."
I thought that You PervFectly grey-boxed me, liar!
Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!
Oh, so no then.
Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!
So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…
Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:
Hi Fantastically Talented Author:
Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.
At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.
Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .
Thank You! -Reason Staff
Spam flagged.
So, do you think that the NYT should be held liable for an opinion column by Alex Jones (should they ever run one)?
How about the Fox/Dominion lawsuit? Should they have been held liable for letting people talk on air?
A paid employee of Fox was paid by Fox, for supporting harmful lies about Dominion. So that is a different animal... Fox making money by spreading lies at the expense of Dominion.
No, hardcopy rags should have their own Section 230... It NEVER makes sense to punish a publisher or a forum-owner for lies of people who post or write editorials or letters to the editor! We badly need an S-230 for hardcopy rags!
Except Tucker Carlson never made the claims, his guest Sydney Powell did.
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/fox-news-media-tucker-carlson-part-ways-2023-04-24/
Relevant section: “Dominion Voting Systems alleged in its lawsuit that Carlson allowed debunked election-fraud claims about the voting-technology firm to air on his show,”
So he was literally the host for someone else’s speech and you think it’s okay to hold him liable for that?
AI says...
Based on the available information, Tucker Carlson's public statements on Fox News about Dominion Voting Systems were often at odds with his private communications, but he did not explicitly lie about Dominion on air.
Privately, Carlson expressed significant skepticism about the election fraud claims involving Dominion. He called the allegations "absurd" and "shockingly reckless," and stated that there wasn't enough fraud to change the election outcome5. He also referred to Sidney Powell, who was making many of these claims, as "lying" and a "nut"5.
However, on air, Carlson's approach was more nuanced:
He questioned Powell's claims, stating on November 19, 2020, that she had never provided any evidence to support her allegations against Dominion13.
He told viewers that while they didn't know anything about the software, there were "legitimate concerns" about election integrity5.
He described electronic voting as less secure than traditional hand counting, calling it a "real issue"5.
While Carlson didn't explicitly endorse the false claims about Dominion, he also didn't fully debunk them on air, despite his private doubts. Instead, he often framed the issue as an open question or a matter of concern, which could be seen as misleading given his private convictions5.
It's worth noting that Carlson's approach to the Dominion story was part of the broader context of Fox News' coverage, which led to the defamation lawsuit and subsequent settlement with Dominion Voting Systems17.
***NOTE*** this part!!! "He told viewers that while they didn't know anything about the software, there were "legitimate concerns" about election integrity5."
HE BLESSED THE LIES FROM SIDNEY POWELL!!!!
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fox-news-hosts-allegedly-privately-versus-air-false/story?id=97662551
What Fox News hosts allegedly said privately versus on-air about false election fraud claims
READ this! Tucker REPEATEDLY blesses the slamming of Dominion, on the air! Pay-day from Fox to Tucker, for telling "Team R" what they want to hear!!!
“but he did not explicitly lie about Dominion on air.”
Which is exactly what I said. So if you supported that lawsuit, which it seems you do because OMG don’t question the integrity of the 2020 election or voting machines that just 4 years earlier were being questioned, your opinion on this matter means fuck all.
Fucker Carlshit KNEW that Sidney Powell was a Big Fat Liar, Pants on Fire, butt supported Her Sacred Lies anyway, to get MONEY from his Fox-Masters!!! Tell "Team R" twat they wanted to hear, at ALL costs, including the costs of the LIES about Dominion! The jury heard the case (you and I did NOT) and decided to PUNISH Fox for it's money-hungry LIES!
Fucker Carlson KNEW that Sidney Powell was a Big Fat Liar, Pants on Fire, and said ass much, in private!!! In PUBIC, on Fox News, Fucker Carlson BLESSED the paranoid ramblings of LIAR Sidney Powell, so ass to PLEASE His Pay-Masters at Fox News!!! Follow the money!!! For THAT, Fox got hammered by the courts!!! And rightly so!
(Shit does SNOT pay ye, as a "news" media entity, to make money by telling the LIES that your viewers want to hear! Hoo-ray for the courts, in this case!)
Do we have to keep repeating this?
No, you can stop repeating your rejected idea. This government imposed dichotomy (1 say what the government allows or 2 be sued into oblivion) is not consistent with the 1st amendment or a culture of free speech.
Gibberish.
I agree. That’s why the Fox/Dominion lawsuit and the Alex Jones/Sandy Hook lawsuit were such utter trash.
Indeed
Alex Jones's lies led to death threats against family members, relatives of the dead. Those are some VERY real damages!
AI response below. Would links change Sea Lion's so-called "mind"?
Yes, several families of Sandy Hook victims were forced to relocate multiple times due to harassment and death threats resulting from Alex Jones' false claims about the shooting. Specifically:
Leonard Pozner, father of victim Noah Pozner, had to move about a dozen times to evade Jones' followers3.
Scarlett Lewis, mother of victim Jesse Lewis, stated she has not felt safe and had to keep a gun at her home for protection9.
Erica Lafferty, daughter of slain principal Dawn Hochsprung, testified that she has moved five times since the shooting due to harassment and threats10.
The parents of a Jewish Sandy Hook victim were forced to move seven times due to harassment5.
These families endured various forms of harassment, including death threats, in-person confrontations, and abusive comments on social media, which led them to repeatedly relocate for their safety2410.
I have much sympathy for the Sandy Hook families. I think Alex Jones' comments were despicable. But, freedom of speech comes with a cost.
Threats/assaults against the families should be prosecuted. But Alex Jones has the right to be lying assbag that profits from the suffering of others. The rest of us should speak up to defend those families, humiliate the offenders and offer help. But we should not weaken our freedom of speech.
This government imposed dichotomy (1 say what the government allows or 2 be sued into oblivion
Well, that's not a thing, so try again.
Just accept liability for the content of users' posts, and you can censor and curate all you like. On the other hand, if you accept the protection from liability for user content under §230, then the other side of that deal is that you accept restrictions on how much editorial control you have.
The platforms were shown to have been indicted by government through multiple channels to censor political or other content. The advertising graders were funded by USAID, FBI, and others to censor content they did not like.
In the ruling against TikTok the USSC made clear algorithms were not speech.
Funny how you and sullum miss these facts.
In the ruling against TikTok the USSC made clear algorithms were not speech.
I've read the decision. It says no such thing. It says that because Congress determined it to be a national security risk, a violation of free speech is justified.
Gorsuch makes this pretty clear:
First, the Court rightly refrains from endorsing the government’s asserted interest in preventing “the covert manipulation of content” as a justification for the law before us. Brief for Respondent 37. One man’s “covert content manipulation” is another’s “editorial discretion.” Journalists, publishers, and speakers of all kinds routinely make less-than-transparent judgments about what stories to tell and how to tell them. Without question, the First Amendment has much to say about the right to make those choices…Too often in recent years, the government has sought to censor disfavored speech online, as if the internet were somehow exempt from the full sweep of the First Amendment. See, e.g., Murthy v. Missouri, 603 U. S. 43, 76–78 (2024) (ALITO , J., dissenting). But even as times and technologies change, “the principle of the right to free speech is always the same.” Abrams v. United States
You quoted and bolded a passage without reading or comprehending it. So?
You didn't understand? I can sum it up for you.
The Supreme Court rejected the claim that TikTok's algorithms justify the forced sale. The reason is because those algorithms are editorial discretion and therefor protected by 1A even though the app is for online speech.
Lester75, thanks for your sensible, NON-Government-Almighty-Powers-based, NON-power-piggery post! Sensible posts are all too rare around here...
...he posted ironically...
Shit posted peevishly, stamping shit's tiny little peduncles...
Lester75, just FYI I (had a friend of mine ask) - asked my favorite AI "Perplexity" (I like it because it provides links) the below question, on associated matters, and see responses below. Nothing astounding here, just FYI. . .
What is the USA public perception of the reason.com web site and magazine? What about the perceptions of advertisers? Are there advertisers who refuse to advertise there, because of the nature of the very-lightly-moderated comments on that web site?
Based on the available information, the public perception of Reason.com and Reason magazine appears to be generally positive, though there are some nuances to consider:
Public Perception:
Reason magazine seems to have a good reputation among the public. NewsGuard, an evaluator co-founded by a former Wall Street Journal publisher, gives Reason a perfect score of 100/1002. This suggests that Reason is considered a trustworthy and credible source of information.
Advertiser Perception:
The perception of advertisers towards Reason is not explicitly mentioned in the search results. However, Reason provides a media kit for potential advertisers, which includes advertising rates for both print and digital editions6. This indicates that Reason actively seeks and accepts advertising, suggesting that at least some advertisers view it as a viable platform.
Content Moderation and Advertiser Concerns:
While there's no specific information about advertisers refusing to advertise on Reason due to lightly-moderated comments, the search results do provide some context on content moderation issues in general:
Social media platforms and websites that pride themselves on lax content moderation and minimal brand-safety measures may be less attractive to some advertisers3.
Some advertisers are cautious about platforms that allow content other sites might restrict, as it could be seen as riskier for brands3.
However, it's important to note that these points are not specifically about Reason, but rather general trends in digital advertising. The search results don't provide evidence of advertisers boycotting or refusing to advertise on Reason specifically due to its comment moderation practices.
In conclusion, while Reason appears to have a positive public perception and actively seeks advertisers, there isn't specific information available about advertiser refusals or boycotts related to its comment moderation practices. The general trend in digital advertising suggests that some brands may be cautious about platforms with minimal content moderation, but this cannot be directly applied to Reason without more specific evidence.
Based on the available information, there are no specific reasons mentioned for advertisers avoiding Reason magazine or its website. However, we can infer some potential factors that might influence advertisers' decisions regarding any media platform:
Audience mismatch: Advertisers may avoid platforms if their target demographic doesn't align with the readership12. If Reason's audience doesn't match an advertiser's ideal customer profile, they might choose not to advertise there.
Content concerns: Some advertisers are cautious about platforms that allow content other sites might restrict, as it could be seen as riskier for brands1. Reason's lightly-moderated comments might be a concern for some advertisers who prioritize brand safety.
Lack of relevance: Advertisers aim to create relevant ads for their target audience2. If they perceive Reason's content or audience as not relevant to their products or services, they might choose other platforms.
Competitive landscape: In highly saturated markets, some companies might opt for different strategies to stand out rather than adding to the advertising clutter3.
Risk aversion: Some companies, particularly those sensitive to brand image, may be cautious about advertising on platforms they perceive as potentially controversial3.
It's important to note that these are general factors that might influence advertisers' decisions and not specific to Reason. Without more detailed information about Reason's advertising relationships, it's not possible to definitively state why certain advertisers might avoid the platform.
More of the §230 nonsense. §230 is only necessary if you concede government has any business differentiating among platforms, publishers, and whatever other categories there are.
Once you accept §230, then you have to go by the government's definition of it; not mine, not yours, and definitely not Jacob Sullum's. The original justification was only to allow moderation of obscene, spam, fishing, and other off-topic comments. It was NOT meant to allow political filtering. Once Big Tech took the §230 bait, they were hooked on the government definition.
That definition, being political, was entirely up to the government and their government-friendly courts. Clinton and Bush and even Obama mostly ignored it, far as I can remember. Biden used it to censor. Trump is using it to undo the political filtering. Both are none of the government's business, but having taken the government bait to avoid being sued for libel, they are now beholden to swallow that bait and the hook it is on.
Sucks to be held accountable. I'd be playing my violin, but it's so small, I've misplaced it.
"It (S-230) was NOT meant to allow political filtering."
Says who? Do YOU want YOUR web site to belong to Government Almighty micro-management? WHO will define "political filtering"?
WHY should "political filtering" and its definition NOT be left to the free markets?
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
Yeah, gotta agree with SQRLSY here. Why shouldn't it include political filtering? How can you justify not allowing someone to to include or exclude political content on their own private service?
Biden used it to censor.
What do you mean by "it" in this statement?
"Yeah, gotta agree with SQRLSY here."
That should be a big red flag for you.
Pure grade-school tribalism!!! You icky-poo too!!!
(Shit's all Ye PervFectly have left, after losing the rational, data-driven arguments.)
Someone explain to me again how one has a civil right to post things on someone else's webpage.
Explain to me how someone has a civil right to publish things online without legal liability. This isn't about any "right"; it's about web platform providers living by the terms of a deal they agreed to.
I asked you first.
Let's consider what you require in order to use social media.
A communications device (computer + peripherals, cellphone, tablet, whatever).
Some sort of power source for it (battery, electrical grid, whatever).
An internet connection.
An internet service provider.
The proper hardware by which to connect to it.
A social media website (that you likely didn't create).
Do you have a right to all of that stuff?
You said, "This isn't about any right." That's not what I asked. I asked HOW one has a said right. The correct answer was one of two choices:
"[Explanation of how they have said right.]"
or
"They don't."
Care to try again?
No. No point in saying the same thing to an idiot twice if he didn't get it the first time.
Please explain how a platform can advertise itself as an open forum and public square and then exercise absolute editorial control over users posts and not be defrauding it's users?
See the Reason.com header up above... NO blank checks are offered there!!! And this is typical... WHO promised You a rose garden? Or YOUR personal micro-management of "YOUR" rose garden on THEIR property, power-hungry collectivist-Marxist?
"We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time."
Reason is an opinion magazine with a definite editorial stance. However, it generally does not moderate for content, despite the fact the staff vocally now largely despise the comment section.
Facebook, YouTube, et al advertised themselves as a vehicle for self expression, then when they came to dominate the market and drive competitors out, all of a sudden decides they have an editorial voice? That is not deceptive? Really?
Facebook, FacePoooo, etc., ALL similarly retain the power to take down posts and content, at will! Will Sea Lion take BACK it's shit if I find the FacePooo Disclaimer?
Then get to accept liability for the content that remains.
You can have unlimited editorial control or you can have liability protection. You cannot have both.
"You cannot have both."
Is this a law of gravity? Some other physics? Chemistry, or mathematics? Or... Just because Marxists and other Power Pigs say so?
Marxist?
Are you brain damaged?
Marxists and other collectivists do SNOT believe in private property rights! My web site, my rules? Marxists and other collectivists LAUGH at me, just ass Mickey Rat LAUGHS at me and my so-called "private property rights"!
If the foe shits, wear it!!!
By current law, newspapers and tv stations do not get to have both….
This is why we need a "Section 230 for hardcopy rags"!
Arguing otherwise is like...
SOME people here have argued that, since there has been at least one (several?) case(s) of hardcopy rags (newspapers) sued FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS, namely letter-to-the-editor writers (it was all well and good to authoritarians that SOME people got punished for the writings of OTHER people), then the proper fix MUST be to perpetrate / perpetuate this obvious injustice right on over to the internet domain!
This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”!
NY Times (NYT) can be punished for what someone ELSE wrote in a letter-to-the-editor in their hardcopy rag! An injustice, to be “fixed” by punishing Facebook for the same kind of offenses! Hey: Tear down Section 230 to “fix” this? Or REALLY fix it by adding a “Section 230 for hardcopy rags”?
In 1850, I imagine that perhaps some people in the USA were saying it isn’t fair that white folks hold black folks as slaves. Let’s “fix” it by having a bunch of black folks hold white slaves, too!
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind? HOW does this “fix” ANYTHING?!?!
We can remove any content or information you post on Facebook if we believe that it violates this Statement or our policies.
https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms/previous
PLUS you can ALWAYS ask for your $0.00 back, collectivist property-disrespecting MARXIST!!!
You the constantly shifting policy goalposts and the refusal to explain how a post might violate whatever the TOS is this week?
Ask for Your PervFect money back! If ye do SNOT get Your PervFect money back, take shit to court!!! That's ONE of our services that Government Almighty offers us, for our tariff-taxes!!! You HAVE Your PervFect Solution at hand already!!!
Same way I can build a platform (literally, a wooden stage) on my front lawn (screw you HOA) and offer it as a free and open forum and a public square.
Until a communist or a LGBT pedo or a nazi or a gaia cultist gets up there - at which point I say, "Get the hell off my property."
It's my lawn dude. Just because I offer it for public use doesn't mean I can't condition that use however I darn well please, or change those terms on a whim. Especially if the users are misusing or exploiting it for things I didn't intend.
It's essentially claiming that once something is "advertised" (not sure if that's quite the right word) as "public" - the owner loses all interest in or control over it. Nonsense.
Under Biden, the government censored social media, by actively interfering. Explicitly saying that social media should do the opposite is a clever way to keep the government from doing this again--it's a lot harder for deep state people to put pressure on you to do X when there's an explicit rule telling you to do not-X.
This alerts people to the Zuckerberg phenomenon. I just want the people in power to know that I was forced before to do what the people in power wanted and now, guess what? I WILL DO WHAT THE PEOPLE IN POWER WANT
When social media are working as an arm of the DNC and pushing propaganda and censoring the shit outta Right Wingers - while gaslighting that it’s ‘just your imagination we’re banning Conservatives’ (like Vijaya Gadde vs Tim Pool Joe Rogan #1258) or Twitter, or Facebook, or Snopes, or Wikipedia changing definitions - it goes beyond opinion and needs addressing.
George Soros taking 'shortcut' to buy 200 US radio stations ...but htat is okay because he hates Trump? Free Speech if you can afford to buy it !!!!
Free Speech if you can afford to buy it !!!!
That has always been the case. You can't afford to buy a newspaper company.
1/8 Greybox Breakdown
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Early - give it time.
Maybe reddit is more you intellectual level.
LOLZ!
That’s gotta be the most embarrassing Boomer-sounding comment I’ve read in a while.
It’s like someone 20 years ago saying ‘you sound like someone who gets their news from tHe iNtErNwEbs!’ believing it to be a pejorative.
If you don’t Reddit, and TheWorldWatch, and YouTube and ALSO Reason.com, you’re missing most of the internet salad bar.
The internet is like a house you live in with many rooms; you can’t really understand the layout of the house if you stay in one room. Yet you yelling at someone to close the closet door you’re in.
Thanks for the chuckle!
It’s like someone 20 years ago saying ‘you sound like someone who gets their news from tHe iNtErNwEbs!’ believing it to be a pejorative.
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The internet is like a house you live in with many rooms; you can’t really understand the layout of the house if you stay in one room. Yet you yelling at someone to close the closet door you’re in.
LOL. This is OG-OBL-level of parody except you seem to be earnest.
Are you going to chastise JesseAz's outdated Boomer thinking for not being able to conceive of the internet as a highway for information or as a series of tubes next?
JS;dr
So if a social media platform advertises itself as an open forum and the new public square but then "curates" their users' opinions, how is that not consumer fraud?
Seeing social media as "curated" forums is directly against the free speech of the individual into a handful of decision makers who can be bullied by governments into censorship. We have seen how this is a threat to a culture of free speech by the Democrats jawboning social media platforms, we see it with the EU and UK passing hate speech laws demanding increased "moderation" by social media.
If a platform wants to have absolute editorial control of its users content, then it must give up liability protection for that content. If not, Section 230 becomes a vehicle for strangling free speech culture. If Sullum and Reason, as a whole, cannot see this then they can be damned.
IT is a public carrier (roots in DARPANET, right?) All that early Internet technology was from the government
Agreed that giving total control to the carrier is the essence of ANTI-1A
This is mostly about the globalists' desire to establish planet-wide institutional control of speech that criticizes their Brave New World operations. The EU's Digital Services Act, for example, is framed as "protecting children," but that's a load of bullshit. It's explicitly designed to provide cover for the globalists to censor populist and nationalist criticism of their actions.
It makes a lot more sense when you realize all these complaints from our so-called "democratic" leaders are ultimately just a vehicle for them to justify an institutional censorship complex that they frame as a Ministry of Truth, and anything criticizing them is "misinformation."
If they say anything is "misinformation," that actually means "Yeah, this is the truth, but it's going to undermine our authority so we have to shut it down." Globalist shitlib tools like Katherine Maher have flat-out admitted it.
Correct, and well said.
Reason.com ‘but muh sec 230’ is either knowingly or unknowingly running cover.
The gigs up: we all have the internet and can see the plays.
That’s why they (like the MSM) are flailing so wildly to keep control of the information.
They.
Must.
Control.
It.
To attempt control people, because;
“Fear is the language of control.”
And
“ When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘***which is to be master*** — that’s all.”
how is that not consumer fraud?
Whos being defrauded? And by how much actual money?
Anything violent, grossly immoral, or harmful to minors is NOT FAIR>
I might use this column in my class , it is so partisan and illogical.
Just because speech is involved does not make it ipso fact a 1A case.
You go, FTC.
You should.
Your students will silently and internally laugh at how out of touch you are.
This is like when Sullum raged against Texas and Florida for putting the individual right to not be vaccinated over the rights of corporations pressured by Biden to force vaccinations.
Does anyone remember the lawsuit against eHarmony?
https://reason.com/2008/11/20/eharmony-forced-to-create-a-da/
Those conservatives should not applaud Ferguson as he tries to put the government's thumb on the scale in the name of fairness. If the FTC can second-guess editorial judgments to achieve what a Republican majority thinks is the right mix of opinions, a future commission controlled by Democrats can enforce a different agenda.
It's painfully obvious that "Me today, you tomorrow" means absolutely nothing to Trump defenders.
We have rhetoric from the Left that speech and opinions from the political right are suspect and should be suppressed, and have achieved a great deal of success in implementing that, such a the Democrats jawboning, Germany making dissenting speech outright illegal, the UK trying to extend control of social media for content.
The Right is the only side that really supports a culture of free speech. The Left is openly hostile and has been for at least a decade since they lost their minds over Citizens United.
Yes, yes, I know. When the left does it it's censorship and when the right does it it's fairness.
Is the Right asking for Leftists to be deplatformed?
You might want to check your premises about whether these things are functionally the same.
How is "fairness" enforced?
Answer my question. I asked first.
Exactly the same, no. However if the left has to be careful about what they say out of fear of being sued by the president or FTC for offending his royal orange majesty, then the result will be quelled speech.
"Careful what you say or I'll deplatform you" and "Careful what you say or I'll sue you into oblivion" are functionally equivalent. One is direct and the other is indirect, but they're both censorship.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/twitter-suspending-more-people TWITTER UNDER "FREE SPEECH ABSOLUTIST" ELON MUSK IS ACTUALLY SUSPENDING WAY MORE PEOPLE THAN BEFORE. . .Twitter-in-the-Shitter under Elon Musk of the Elongated Tusk now follows in the shit-steps of “Parler”!!! Twat and UDDER slurprise!!! Parler censors liberals per Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/parler-shuts-down-as-new-owner-says-conservative-platform-needs-big-revamp/
Parler shuts down as new owner says conservative platform needs big revamp
Parler sold to firm that says conservative Twitter clone isn't a "viable business."
The free market has spoken, and says that shit doesn’t like cuntsorevaturd CensorShit either!!! Are You Deeply and PervFectly Butt-Hurt? If so… Start up Your Own PervFect web shit-site!
It's painfully obvious that sarcjeff is 1 brain cell away from being an inanimate object.
I would probably take this assertion about not regulating Big Tech censorship more seriously if the Deep State from the Defense Department to the CIA hadn't spent a decade running a "whole of society" psyop, both domestically and internationally, that employed Big Tech as part of an information control complex that included a spiderweb of NGOs and mass media organizations, taking American taxpayer money to do precisely that.
Well said.
Looks like someone also listened to JRE #2237 - Mike Benz (pre-DOGE) exactly calling all this.
I listened 7-8 times though (again, pre-DOGE) just to wrap my head around it, as it explained so, so much.
Then DOGE happened, and everything he said was proven.
And we still have Reason.com over here like ‘yeah, but, but, but sec230 guys’ like we don’t have The Internets worth of other info corroborating our suspicions that something’s been very ‘off’ about how things have been going.
It’s stunning what’s been done.
Yeah, it's completely missing the forest for the trees. This stuff about Section 230 protections isn't happening in a vacuum, it's quite literally tied to how these bureaucracies both here and abroad have exploited online discourse as an explicit information management and propaganda system.
The days when people were saying that "the internet provides people with the freedom to share information" stopped right around the time the Obama administration and especially the Deep State discovered that they could use the nation's surveillance network to deliberately shut down their political enemies.
If they want to exercise editorial control over content like any other publisher, let them accept the ordinary publisher-level legal liability for the content they so control.
If they want to exercise just the discretion over content exercised by a distributor, let them accept the ordinary legal liability other distributors -- bookstores, newsstands, libraries, video stores -- always had.
If they want the common carrier level of immunity that Section 230 (as misinterpreted by the courts) has given them, let them be held to the common carrier standard of having to carry all lawful content, no matter how awful or how much it drives away advertisers.
Let each platform freely choose its own role, and then apply the utterly ordinary, completely constitutional legal standards that apply to that role, as it was before the Communications Decency Act was passed with the purpose of enabling censorship.
Repeal Section 230.
So if the Catholic Nuns Who Love to Raise Rabbits Society puts up a web site (concerning THEIR interests) that accepts comments, they shall be FORCED to accept anti-Catholic, pro-abortion comments, so long as the comments are "legal"?
Twat kind of fascist ARE ye anyway?
A website dedicated to particular subject is not a social media platform. You are comparing apples to oranges.
WHO gets to decide if shit is an apple, or an orange? The Orange Emperor and-or It's Minions? HOW does one code this into objective law-language? Why not allow media-owners and the free market decide, instead?
"Twatever I say, goes" is twat BOTH parties lust after, clearly! NO objective law-language here! THIS is why we need to KEEP Section 230!!!
No, of course not, you utter moron.
Your nuns can exercise 100% of the editorial control over comments that any newspaper has over their letters section -- if they accept the exact same legal liability for the content of those comments as a newspaper has for the content of the letters they publish. (If you don't know what that is, consult a lawyer; it's well-documented First Amendment law.)
Or your nuns can exercise all the discretion over what comments they allow that a bookstore has over what books it carries -- if they accept the same legal liability for the content of the comments that a bookstore has for the content of the books. (And if you don't know what that is, again, consult a lawyer; it's, again, well-documented First Amendment law.)
Only if your nuns want the zero liability for the content that they redistribute, same as the operators of telephone and telegraph systems had for the content they redistributed, would your nuns have to accept the same responsibility to carry all lawful content that the telephone and telegraph systems had.
Three options, not one. With the nuns perfectly free to choose whichever option they want. They could even start three different websites, and use a different standard for each.
All of which should have been crystal clear to anyone of even approximately human intelligence reading my original comment, you fucking dimwit.
(And if you're just a disingenuous ass who wants to claim that somehow only the zero liability option is viable in our litigious culture, then you have to explain how it is that non-Internet publishers and distributors are both clearly able to exist under the other liability standards.)
Fascists gonna be fascists, I got it... Power Pigs LOVE to punish people for violating THEIR made-up rules!
"Publisher. Platform. Pick one." ... 'Cause Power Pig said so!
Your large and ugly punishment boner is showing!!! Be decent, and COVER UP, will ya?!?!?
If you want to love animals, pamper your pets. If you love to eat meat, eat meat. Pick one, ONLY one!
You either love animals, or you eat meat… You can NOT do both! All pet owners who eat meat? Their pets will be slaughtered and their pet-meat distributed to the poor! Because I and 51% of the voters said so! And because we are power pigs, and LOOOOOVE to punish people!
I don't like the idea of giving the government control to enforce fairness. That's a recipe for disaster.
However, we have to acknowledge that this is precisely what has happened over the past several years. Soft government control of social media and traditional media. After all, a polite request from a senator has the force of a command, and a suggestion about the possibility of displeasing the president bears the weight of the crown.
I think the better solution would be to stop it further up. Make it illegal for any government official to request media companies censor information. Not even threats, but even requests will have to go through proper, public channels through the courts in defamation suits.
If we remove the power to coerce, then we just have to work with competing media moguls vying for power. That's normal, and we can decide for ourselves between them.
After all, a polite request from a senator has the force of a command, and a suggestion about the possibility of displeasing the president bears the weight of the crown.
And even then, it wasn't always framed as a "polite request." Zuck talked about how Biden admin officials would call up people at Facebook to scream at them that they weren't doing enough to shut down wrongthink, er "misinformation." The whole complaint from that fake-ass Deep State asset "whistleblower" Frances Haugen was that Zuck decided the censorship apparatus wasn't needed anymore after Trump lost in 2020. She was saying, as a Deep State proxy, that it needed to be going full-blast again.
The authoritarians can't help themselves: "If you get free speech here, you can't have it there".
Other parties didn't allow free speech, in our PervFected Eyes... Now shit's OUR turn to SNOT allow free speech!!!
"Traditional publishers and editors," Justice Elena Kagan wrote in the majority opinion, "select and shape other parties' expression into their own curated speech products," and "we have repeatedly held that laws curtailing their editorial choices must meet the First Amendment's requirements."
So social media will bear the same liability as traditional media right? Right?
This is why we need a "Section 230 for hardcopy rags"!
Arguing otherwise is like...
This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”!
Yes. The 'government' censorship *is* the Problem.
And the 'government' should stay focused on WHERE the problem is.