Two Injunctions Against Trump's Citizenship Decree Expose the Weakness of His Arguments
Federal judges in Washington and Maryland say the president's attack on birthright citizenship flouts the 14th Amendment and 127 years of judicial precedent.

On his first day in office, President Donald Trump issued an executive order that purported to qualify birthright citizenship by limiting it to the children of citizens or lawful permanent residents. That decree, which contradicted the text of the 14th Amendment and 127 years of judicial precedent, ran into legal trouble three days later, when John Coughenour, a federal judge in Washington, blocked it with a temporary restraining order. It hit two more roadblocks this week.
On Wednesday, Deborah Boardman, a federal judge in Maryland, issued a preliminary injunction against Trump's order. The next day, so did Coughenour. Although Boardman was appointed by a Democrat (Joe Biden) and Coughenour by a Republican (Ronald Reagan), their reasoning is essentially the same, and it underlines the weakness of the legal arguments that Trump has deployed in defense of his attempt to restrict birthright citizenship by executive fiat.
The 14th Amendment says "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are "citizens of the United States." Trump argues that children of unauthorized residents or legal but temporary visitors are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction because their parents are not "domiciled" in the United States and owe "allegiance" to foreign governments.
The first difficulty with that argument is it has no basis in the text of the 14th Amendment. "In interpreting the text of the Constitution," Coughenour notes, quoting the Supreme Court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller, courts are "guided by the principle that '[t]he Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning.'"
The Trump administration "insinuates that 'subject to the jurisdiction' conditions citizenship upon the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States," Coughenour writes. "But the text of the phrase requires no such exclusivity; it requires only that the person born in the United States be subject to it."
The government "also contends that whether a person born in the territorial United States is 'subject to its jurisdiction' ultimately turns on the legal status of the person's parents and their allegiance to and domicile in this country," Coughenour notes. "But the words 'allegiance' and 'domicile' do not appear in the Citizenship Clause, or anywhere in the Fourteenth Amendment, and nowhere in the text does it refer to a person's parentage."
The clause "merely refers to 'jurisdiction,' and the word 'jurisdiction' is commonly understood in this context to be 'a geographic area within which political or judicial authority may be exercised,'" Coughenour says, quoting Black's Law Dictionary. "Thus,
anyone who answers to the political or judicial authority of the United States is 'subject to [its] jurisdiction.' That is the plain meaning of the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction,' and it unequivocally applies to children born in the territorial United States—regardless of the immigration status of their parents."
The second problem for Trump is that the Supreme Court definitively resolved the question of what "subject to the jurisdiction" means in the 1898 case United States v. Wong Ark Kim, which involved a man who was born in San Francisco to Chinese parents who were not U.S. citizens but were living in the city at the time. When he returned to the United States after visiting China, he was denied reentry under the Chinese Exclusion Act on the grounds that he was not a citizen.
"The question presented by the record," the Court said, "is whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who at the time of his birth are subjects of the emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the fourteenth amendment." The answer was yes.
Under British common law, the Court noted, "aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador, or of an alien enemy in a hostile occupation of the place where the child was born." That principle, the majority said, carried over to America, as reflected in colonial legislation, early judicial rulings, and the debate preceding the 1868 ratification of the 14th Amendment.
In addition to the longstanding exceptions for children of diplomats and foreign invaders, the Court recognized a third exception in the American context: Like those two categories, "members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes" were not subject to U.S. "jurisdiction" within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. Apart from those three exceptions, the Court ruled, anyone born in the United States automatically became a U.S. citizen.
"The amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States," the Court said. "Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."
The Trump administration "does not dispute that Wong Kim Ark is binding precedent," Boardman notes. "Nor does it argue that Wong Kim Ark was wrongly decided or should be overturned. Instead, the government claims that, under Wong Kim Ark, to be 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States, a person's parents must, at the time of the person's birth, be lawfully domiciled in the United States, and bear '"direct and immediate allegiance" to this country, unqualified by an allegiance to any other foreign power.' Nothing in Wong Kim Ark remotely supports the government's narrow reading of the decision." Under that precedent, "if a person is born in the United States and does not belong to one of the traditional classes of excepted persons, the person is born 'within the allegiance' of the United States and 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States."
Boardman also cites a long line of subsequent cases in which the Supreme Court took it for granted that children born in the United States thereby became U.S. citizens, even if their parents had entered the country illegally or had overstayed their visas. In the 127 years since Wong Ark Kim, she notes, "the Supreme Court has never questioned whether a child born in the United States" whose "parents did not have lawful status or were in the country temporarily" was nevertheless "an American citizen." She says "the government's only response to these Supreme Court cases" is its observation that "it is not unusual for the Supreme Court, after fully exploring a legal issue, to reach a conclusion that conflicts with earlier assumptions." As she notes, "That is no response at all."
Trump's position "is unavailing and untenable," Coughenour says. "It does not have the text or precedent to support its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause. And it rehashes losing arguments from over a century ago. Moreover, subsequent precedents have affirmed the exceptionally American grant of citizenship as birthright." Boardman likewise concludes that Trump's order "flouts the plain language of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, conflicts with binding Supreme Court precedent, and runs counter to our nation's 250-year history of citizenship by birth."
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This is the worst premise yet.
Democrat appointed judges have never overstepped. Lol.
Did you expect anything less retarded from Sullum?
He's paid to lie to us.
Click on his name at the top of the article, and then Ctrl-F "Trump."
lolololol
Trumpanzee fanboy grovel...
And Trump lies to us for free!
He is citing the judge who said any lawyer who drafted the EO should be disbarred and pre judged the case before the DoJ lawyer even spoke.
Sullum is an amazing form of retard.
Being bribed can make a man do many things.
So sullum is an evil cancer
It's pretty obvious that sullum is just trolling for clicks at this point. He has nothing legitimate to say.
Sullum is endeavoring, unsuccessfully, his particular TDS.
Of course Trump is very far from an ideal president (of human being) and his comprehension of trade economics is standard populist ignorance, but at least he speaks against the social pollution coming out of the political left.
Decent and wise people are not allowed to become president, so we have to put up with the likes of Biden, Harris, and Trump. The former two make the latter preferable if not desirable.
Christian National Socialist stranded in 1932 alongside Bert Hoover prohibitionists...
Here’s something that will really send Sullum and the gang into orbit…….
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/new-president-trump-bars-alvin-bragg-letitia-james/
FTA:
On Saturday, President Trump stripped the security clearances of at least 8 corrupt ‘antagonists’ who worked for Biden or targeted him for ruin over the last several years:
Former Secretary of State Antony Blinken
Former NatSec Advisor Jake Sullivan
New York Attorney General Letitia James
Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg
Biden’s Deputy AG Lisa Monaco
Corrupt prosecutor Andrew Weissmann
Deep State lawyer Mark Zaid
Norm Eisen – the man behind all the lawfare against Trump
President Trump told New York Post reporter Miranda Devine that Alvin Bragg and Letitia James are barred from entering federal buildings.
This means they would not be able to enter the US Attorney’s Office, federal courthouses, the New York FBI Field Office, federal correctional facilities and prisons.
Overstepped by interpreting 14A1 in the same way that it always has been?
False. As we've shown you many times.
I think the weekly posts on the issue demonstrate that you haven't proven anything of the sort but are desperately trying to convince the public otherwise simply by the sheer number of rants.
You might want to direct that to the delusional leftists like Sullum.
Yeah, noted, my error
Interpreted by whom? Victorious Republicans in possession of The Court declared that the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments together mean: FEMALES CANNOT VOTE. Modern citations gratuitously or otherwise inject "male" into the text where no such word exists in the original. Antislavery republicans--like braindead LP delegates bayoneted by the Jesus Caucus Anschluss--were deemed disposable after High-tariff Comstockists grabbed the pulpit. We are watching history rhyme again.
No, two injunctions mean democrats have found two district court judges disinclined to seriously read the 14th amendment and Wong Kim Ark. And why would they when they can thoughtlessly enforce their own personal preferences and receive accolades from equally ignorant press?
Trump is wrong on this.
But.
You can’t overturn a precedent without a test case.
You can’t have a test case without violating precedent.
What I see here is a group of MAGA cultists who think that their silly revision of obvious and long established constitutional law, for the purpose or supporting their racism, will be accepted by Libertarians, who have very little philosophical commonality with the MAGA Republicans. It is a far too common misconception that Libertarians and Conservatives are pretty much the same, but Libertarians know better. Republicans who have a shallow, knee-jerk conservative viewpoint without understanding classical conservatism have no understanding of the philosophy they pretend to espouse.
MAGA cultists... supporting their racism, will be accepted by Libertarians
Why don't you call the MAGA cult racists LatinX some more to further ingratiate into your beloved L party? You do know the dirt you were born on doesn't magically determine your race, right?
I don't know if it's more sad or funny that you guys can't figure out that people outside your own race or bubble don't consider racism to be inherently evil or bad, but they *still* consider your stupid shit to be unbearably insulting. And like the worst, most obliviously unapologetic, uneducated, backwoods racist, you dumb fucks can't help yourselves.
......their silly revision of obvious and long established constitutional law.....
Yeah, you mean like Dred Scott v. Sandfort, which I'm pretty sure all your legal scholars would say the exact same thing that was parroted before 3/6/1857 and after, even beyond 7/9/1868. Do you want to comment on Plessy v. Ferguson because it was "long established constitutional law" ??? Can we assume you then agree that when a pregnant woman, who is an illegal alien, breaks into your private residence, without your permission and delivers a child, they are legally entitled to 33% ownership of your land and abode, and can be raised in your domicile with all the rights, responsibilities and privileges because they were born on your property?
While on topic, please see Cruickshank v. U.S.. Scotus ruled that the Colfax Klansmen who murdered nearly 100 elected blacks in Louisiana were wrongly indicted. By freeing the perps it nullified 13A and relegalized vigilantes with guns hunting and killing nonwhites. To be sure, the guy who lost BOTH votecounts was installed as prez by way of compensation.
Trumplicans have never been fooled by the hair leader.
Guessing you missed the part informing you that Judge Coughenour was appointed by President Reagan? Or maybe you would be more inclined to listen to Trump appointee Judge Ho on the Fifth Circuit?
"Birthright citizenship is guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment. That birthright is protected no less for children of undocumented persons than for descendants of Mayflower passengers." https://greenbag.org/v9n4/v9n4_ho.pdf
Routine Upholding of Qualified Immunity Exposes the Weakness of Reason's Arguments
Haha, that’s good.
This rag should be renamed Absurdity.
It’s definitely UnReason at this point.
DoublePlus UnReason.
tReason.
Reason has a new YouTube channel, and it’s called (I shit you not)
reasonfreemedia.
Truth in advertising, I guess.
Parody just committed suicide.
Yes because what Politico charges usaid to do, reason does it for free
"This rag should be renamed Absurdity."
Either that, or rename it "La Raza, Anglo-style."
Liberteen Magazine.
Then why bother reading it? Go on to Fox News, or better yet Breitbart, if you want 24/7 hatred of anyone who isn't just like you. You'll find it there and you'll be much happier.
Or ‘Delusion’.
Go back to the Trump bauble...
Birthright citizenship is leftist.
Do humanity a service and end yourself,
So you’re taking an amendment meant to ensure the freedom of slaves would have citizenship and cancel the Dred Scott decision, and applying it to anyone and everyone who is here, regardless of who, what, and why.
The 14A didn't create jus soli. Justice Clarence Thomas will tell you there's no "Black Amendments" in the Constitution.
Yet Indians and slaves weren't citizens. Lol.
Freed slaves were legal, permanent residents. Illegal aliens are not. That’s why they’re illegal, just so you know.
So when we would have waves of white European immigrants...every single one of their children born here was automatically a citizen and nobody even questioned it. Why is that the case? Nobody was bitching about the Irish having dual loyalties to Ireland or the Pope [for irish catholics] and thus not having 'full allegiance' to the US.
The same goes for every other group that came. Germans came in droves and settled in the upper midwest. Were their kids' allegiance questioned like the commenters think the children of Mexican immigrants should be? Half the commenters would punish the kids as criminals for the crimes of their parents but that is not how criminal responsibility works in this country.
They want results orientated judges to rule in their favor - regardless of the rule of law- because they disagree with this particular law. But they don't want to simply change the law itself to fit the outcome [which in this case requires amending the constitution]. Its pretty stupid even for them and they won't admit this is what they are doing so are lying to themselves in addition to lying to everybody else. Its a good litmus test of principle and they are failing it. And will attack me ad hominem style for pointing it out.
You think locals were all welcoming of Irish, Italian and German immigrants?
White foreigners couldn't simply sneak into the country like illegals do today. Once they arrived in Ellis Island, they were screened.
Weak. More desperate crowd of ‘racism’?
No wonder you faggots lost.
"Nobody was bitching about the Irish having dual loyalties to Ireland or the Pope [for irish catholics] and thus not having 'full allegiance' to the US."
??
You are either catastrophically ignorant or blatantly lying; which is it?
Being a human with humanity is leftist.
Yeah, Stalin, Mao, Hitler. Truly the best of humanity.
Emotionally pandering lines like that make you a leftist. You feel morally superior for caring about the du jour group or individual and show zero compassion towards anyone negatively effected by them. Try constructing a logically coherent argument rather than emotional blackmail/pandering.
And you feel morally superior by showering contempt onto anyone who disagrees with you. You're just as emotional if not more so, except all of your emotions are negative.
Ok, dummy McFucknuts.
Where did MT claim that he was morally superior to Molly?
Pointing out the shallowness of one's moral superiority is not a claim that yours is a better version of it.
Being a human who cares more about rocks, whales, and other things outside of one's center as a performative act of kindness w/o having to actually do anything is what it means to be a leftist.
Cue The Heatmap.
No. As leftists are soulless, unclean things, just like you.
Clever!
Lefty Judges are willing to slap injunctions on the Trump Administration? This is a shocking development. I wonder if they all get upheld by higher courts, or if that is what Trump wanted all along
Explain to me why it is reasonable to grant extra favors to people who violate the law and our natuonal sovereignty.
Again, the text of the 14th does not support the birthright citizenship argument of open borders sycophants. The Ark case further supports the notion that lawful permanent residence is a requirement to attain birthright citizenship. Anchor babies are only supported by unreasonable people who are interested in replacing the nation's population.
How many 1 minute old babies do you know who have violated the law?
Their very existence is criminal.
How so? They are citizens.
Depends. We don’t grant that to embassy personnel. Why should it be granted to those transiting, visiting, or here illegally?
Because they are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Illegal immigrants and visa-overstays are required to register with selective service (males 18-26) and pay tax on their earnings.
Are they required to pay taxes if they work over seas? Can they petition a consulate if arrested in a foreign country? Can they apply for a Visa based on US jurisdiction?
You're an idiot on this topic.
"This topic"...
Jesse is kind. Far more so then I.
Ha Ha. A retard fight.^
No, they are illegal children of illegals. Illegal is a noun here. They are illegal. They are criminals by virtue of birth. They're not even human. They're just... illegal.
"Your not human unless you can claim 'home' by hanging your hat in other people's home.", sarc.
And anyone has to wonder why we don't want their kind in this country. It's bloody obvious. Self-entitled, criminal, and flat-out evil intentions.
“No one is above the law, except illegals.”
If my parents robbed a bank and put it into an account in my name 4 minutes after I'm born that doesn't make the money mine.
Why/how should/could a right be derived from an illegal action? Your rationale and that of Reason is logically unmoored from reality and dishonest.
Is there anything Trump could do or say that you would not defend?
Don't think 'MasterThief' defended Trump signing the Cares Act either.
But seems you've found your blame-shift object. Anytime you can't logically defeat saying something stupid you can always blame Trump right?
Hasn't sarc been saying the last few days the president can't stop Congressional spending? Yet here he is again blaming Trump.
Yeah, this argument has never happened on Reason until Trump showed up on the scene.
Planned Parenthood knows how to deal with minute old babies.
Sledgehammer?
Estimated at 600k a year.
This is so simple. In 1868 the children of all immigrants were citizens upon birth. Thus now children of all immigrants are citizens upon birth. Congress can not subdivide a group and declare that one subset of them now lacks Constitutional rights they already had.
Done. Muted. MollyGodiva is like Tony tried to hang himself in his garage and only ended with permanent brain damage and an instinctual need to keep posting at Reason.
Seriously. Too fucking stupid to justify any response.
It’s Tony.
I want to know how he survived his ruptured rectum. Was there a rectal ‘trans’ plant?
Yep, just another lifeless troll.
There are a solid dozen commenters that meet this bar. I don't know why anyone responds to any of them.
Maybe you're just a sensitive little bitch???
This is so wrong. You're a fucking retard. You've been given original discussions as well as court cases.
As SGT pointed out, before you bullied his pussy-ass into submission, that was what one person said and it did not make it into the Amendment. That's like saying the Federalist Papers supersede the Constitution. As far as court cases go, your just plain in the wrong there and you know it.
But you'll keep attacking and defending. It's your lot in life.
Facts and logical arguments are bullying to you. Make sense. Since you’re a worthless drunk who takes no reps for anything in life.
"This is so simple."
Yes, it is.
Molly.
Godiva.
Is.
A.
TDS.
Addled.
Lying.
Pile.
Of.
Slimy.
Shit.
JS;dr
JS has leaned left for years. Which is fine, though it does beg the question why he would be writing for a libertarian outlet. But now he's just Salon / WaPo / NPR propaganda. He doesn't even pretend to make the libertarian case anymore.
Hey, Reason: What the fuck are we doing here? Please name me the half-dozen MAGA acolytes who you employ to write fawning, right wing propaganda every other day. Or is only one objectively non-libertarian viewpoint welcome here?
In the years before Trump Sullum was actually my favorite writer here. In the early years of the Trump presidency I tried to wrap my brain around his increasingly incoherent screeds searching for any libertarian angle until I reached the inescapable conclusion that he had abandoned any pretense of libertarian principle and is driven only by pure animus of one man. He defended every deep state subversion of Trump. He defended all of the blatant lawfare state and federal. He defended the absurd impeachments and parroted every leftist slur. His TDS forced him into a corner where he was defending the most blatantly corrupt president in the history of the republic, Joe Biden. Sullum is so damaged I'm not sure the Bulwark would publish his rants but here he is at the "libertarian" Reason site. When I type out JS;dr it's true. I sometimes stop by to read the comments but Jacob's pathetic rants are just predictable horseshit. Not worth reading.
Good to see Reason hasn't learned a thing.
Two Injunctions Against Trump's Citizenship Decree Expose the Weakness of His Arguments - Federal judges in Washington and Maryland say
What the fuck is wrong with you, Sullum? Were you ever an actual libertarian or have you always been a Marxist shill? You are trying to gaslight the wrong readership base and you deserve to be kicked in the crotch. Repeatedly.
Wrong, as usual, Sullum.
If you enter our country illegally, the government has every right to expel you, not welcome you with debit cards, free housing, free medical care or anything else the taxpayers are paying for.
By the way, Sullum, how many illegal aliens are you housing, feeding and taking care of in YOUR house?
His housekeeper, gardener, and pool boy?
I'm not sure forcibly sodomizing the pool boy counts as "taking care of" him. Though I suppose it's feeding him something, even if it's starvation rations.
Maybe he lets the pool boy grill cats.
By the way, Sullum, how many illegal aliens are you housing, feeding and taking care of in YOUR house?
I know. He's not like all us pro-lifers that are adopting all the unaborted babies. I mean, I personally haven't, but I must be the only pro-lifer that hasn't (because I'm on the fence, so it's OK). Back me up, pro-life commentariat, tell us how many clumps of cells you adopted and you're caring for.
Come on Brix, those aren’t analogous situations.
Hi DesigNate. Thanks for the friendly warning that my comment is not connecting.
Analogous situations? Maybe not.
I think the arguments are comparable, though, and I'm trying to expose a weak argument.
I'd like to hear you out though. What's the flaw in my comparison? Would you say it's a fair criticism of someone opposed to deportation that they should house migrants but unfair to criticize a prolife person for not adopting "unwanted" babies?
Or maybe I'm taking Uncle Jay's critique too literally and I need to lighten up?
Have you tried adopting kids, especially if your race and the child's race are different?
Have fun for several years and untold amounts of money. Just to have the opportunity to raise that child.
That's a good point. That's probably why no one reponded in the affirmative yet. Just housing and financially supporting the child would be the equivalent.
So how many pro-lifers here are covering mom's medical bills and housing and child care expenses for former clumps of cells?
Just housing and financially supporting the child would be the equivalent.
So... people who do foster parenting? I suspect you might find a few of the pro-life crowd there.
I'm sure there'sat least a few. Very admirable people.
“Would you say it's a fair criticism of someone opposed to deportation that they should house migrants but unfair to criticize a prolife person for not adopting "unwanted" babies?”
I would actually. Because as we’ve seen time and again, a lot of people that hand wave away the concerns about illegal immigration tend to get touchy when it comes knocking on their doorstep (Martha’s Vineyard is a prime example).
Now, if the prolife person is actively encouraging people to have sex? I think that would be a more apt comparison to the open borders uber alles arguments.
(This of course doesn’t delve into the thought process behind most prolife stances that it’s literally killing one’s offspring which is quantifiably different than only wanting to let people immigrate here through the normal legal process, as onerous as that might be.)
I for one enjoy our conversations, even when we disagree. And to be fair, I think we could all lighten up a little bit!
Good point about favoring policies that are encouraging illegal immigration. I guess I was thinking from my own perspective, where I oppose immigrant welfare, etc.
I for one enjoy our conversations, even when we disagree. And to be fair, I think we could all lighten up a little bit!
I feel the same about both statements.
Sounds to me like Trump should suggest Congress amend the FRCP--specifically Rule 65--so that injunctions provide relief only to existent parties in a case, effectively stifling the sweeping judicial vetoes of activist judges.
Some SCOTUS justices are getting pretty pissed off about these nationwide injunctions. They will not be amused.
A most excellent point, let's hope President Donald J. Trump's legal team is crafting this legal directive to hand to Speaker Johnson!!!
JS;dr
Then what is the issue?
If it can't be done legally then it won't be done. The courts are deciding that.
Nobody really freaked out here when Biden was repeatedly and openly defying the court over student loans - when Trump openly defies the court then I'll start worrying.
Democrats did it first, that makes it ok.
But if Trump does it, you'll shit a brick. Got it.
More of your famous principles.
Sarc even said Biden recognized the constitution!
https://reason.com/2025/02/07/this-judge-tried-to-get-out-of-jury-duty-by-saying-everyone-appearing-before-him-is-guilty/
He must have been right because he said it.
They almost make it too easy.
"Judges are never wrong except when they are."
"Two Injunctions Against Trump's Citizenship Decree Expose the Weakness of His Arguments"
It takes a steaming pile of TDSS-addled shit like Sullum to assume the judiciary is impartial as regards Trump.
Eat shit and die, Sullum.
"That decree, which contradicted the text of the 14th Amendment"
Watch the Leftards make dishonest and blatant LIES as claims.
...because that's what leftads do. Day-in and Day-out. ZERO honor.
Just P.O.S. criminal mentality all the way through.
I noticed that the ACLU filed suits in the 2nd and 9th district courts, the two most overturned and progressive courts. Note the didn't file suit in the more conservative/originalist 5th district. These two cases were decided in the two district courts most likely to have their decisions overturned by the USSC, ergo, and these two decisions have not yet been heard by a panel of judges in these districts either. These two decisions don't portend how other courts will decide the cases nor how a panel of judges or the USSC will decide the case. The Ark case dealt with the son of legal residents, there hasn't actually been a court case decided on temporary visa holders nor on illegal aliens, furthermore, until the 1950s the idea of birthright citizenship was not widely held, in fact the federal government in the 1920s and 1930s deported Mexican citizens residing in the US illegally or temporarily and their children, including the ones born in the US and no one challenged it. So, no the Ark case doesn't apply, and no, birthright citizenship for illegal and or temporary visa holders is not a long held judicial precedence.
Js;tl;dr
Comments;tl;dr
How long before Sullum keels over from a stroke or heart attack while writing an anti-Trump screed? I say January 6, 2026.
I'm pretty certain he loads up on amphetamines before he turns on MSDNC and hammers out their same talking points as fast as he can in print.
So, probably pretty high. No pun intended.
Two Injunctions Against Trump's Citizenship Decree Expose the Weakness of His Arguments
Believing that CAN be true exposes the authors complete lack of ability to recognize an argument.
If an illegal immigrant is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.(e.g. required to appear in amnesty court, or arrested for robbing a bank or committing some other federal felony), then why wouldn't his child born in U.S. be similarly subject? If so, then why wouldn't clear language of the 14th apply?
FWIW, I always assumed they meant subject in the same sense as being subject to the crown (basically who do you owe allegiance to). Because even tourist are subject to our laws, but nobody would call them subjects.
Exactly.
If it meant "subjected to" US law there wouldn't be any purpose for even writing it down. Who isn't subjected too US law within the US?
Not to mention if the subject is breaking US Law how 'subjected to' can anyone even claim to be? They're 'subjected to' the law but are breaking it anyways?
Add the CRA of 1866 (14A basis) and the author himself saying 'of course it doesn't include illegal immigrants' and any argument just chalks up to purposeful self-interest deception, ignorance and twisting of the 14A.
It seems self evident to me as Lincoln and the north had just fought a war to bring the south and its citizens to heel, asserting that you couldn’t just decide to not be part of the union. Going so far as referring to us as “The” United States instead of “These” United States after the Civil War.
Foreign ministers were not subject to the law and at the time of the 14th amendment passage, various of the Indian tribes who the US entered into treaties with. They were more akin to separate/independent sovereigns and their children, though born inside the geographical borders of the US, were members of the tribe not the US. This latter group later was granted citizenship via statute. But that was some 60yrs after the passage of the 14th amendment.
Therefore the 14A's *and* exclusion excluded even Indian tribe members from this made-up "birthright citizen" BS so how is it illegal immigrants seem to claim it's in the 14A.
Being akin to a separate (i.e. foreign) sovereignty is exactly what the *and* exclusion means. As-if it's suppose to be some big puzzle with the CRA 1866 state "not subject of a foreign power".
Federal judges in Washington and Maryland
Let me stop you right there, Jakey Fakey.
That's territorial jurisdiction there's also personal jurisdiction which is the authority your home country has over you no matter where you are.
The 14th Amendment uses the phrase 'under the jurisdiction of' as lifted directly from the Civil Rights Act passed in 1866. That act further defines the phrase as 'not subject to a foreign power.' In 1872 the courts ruled that that meant that children born in the US of foreign diplomats and their staff were not citizens.
In 1898 the Wong Ark ruling said that Ark, born in the US of Chinese parents, was indeed a citizen as defined by the 14th Amendment, but limited the ruling to children 'born of lawful permanent residents.' There are indeed precedents on both sides and not only for citizenship granted to children born of illegal immigrants and visitors.
Congress can simply pass a law defining who is under the jurisdiction lawfully as they did in 1924 when they passed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to American Indians born in the US. If the law echoes the Wong Ark ruling it will deny birthright citizenship to illegal immigrants' children born in the US and to birth tourists.
Congress can simply pass a law defining who is under the jurisdiction lawfully as they did in 1924 when they passed the Indian Citizenship Act,
I don't think so. Congress can't undo an amendment by changing definitions. Otherwise they could redefine arms to not include guns and, poof, 2A is gone. The definition is locked in as it was understood when ratified.
Congress may be able to pass a law to give citizenship to others not guaranteed citizenship by the Constitution, but it cannot take away citizenship from those guaranteed citizenship by the Constitution.
Just as a judge, unelected in almost every case, can rule on what the meaning of an unclear law is, elected members of Congress can pass legislation clarifying the law. Precedents have already been made.
Yes, a judge can determine a definition. Congress can pass a law clarifying a definition, but that too is subject to the court review. If Congress redefines away a constitutional right, it should be overturned by the court. Otherwise the Constitution is useless.
Correct.
Your Constitution Right has an 'AND' exception.
Cherry-picking words and distorting a self-serving meaning doesn't make a Constitutional Right.
The definition is locked in as it was understood when ratified.
So suddenly what the people who wrote the amendment meant by it does matter? Because they did talk about it at the time.
What the people who wrote it meant is only as important as how carefully they chose their words; if they did a good job capturing their intent in writing. That is because the most important thing is what the people that ratified it would have understood their words to mean.
Do you really believes the majority of States that ratified it though it meant illegal immigrants from foreign countries who give birth on US soil are US citizens?
It was written to end slavery. It wasn't written with any intent on birthing a USA invasion. Something specifically enumerated as a job of the USA to prevent ... also in the US Constitution.
I think illegal immigrants were unknown to them, thus the amendment was written in such a way that it did not exclude illegal immigrants.
Or the amendment was written in such a way that it did not include illegal immigrants.
Right there in the Enumerated Powers....
Article I; Section 8; C4
"The Congress shall have Power To" ... "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"
There is no 14A grantee to birthright citizenship because there is an *AND* exception given. Thus the process resorts to being "Naturalized" by Congress.
The whole point is "guaranteed citizenship by the Constitution" for foreign subjects *is* "changing definitions".
"The definition is locked in" ... and the definition has an 'AND' exception.
How I read the law the "AND" exception does not cover illegal immigrants. The courts seem to agree with me, but we'll see what the supremes say.
Who does the 'AND' exception exclude then? Why is it even there?
'The clause "merely refers to 'jurisdiction,' and the word 'jurisdiction' is commonly understood in this context to be 'a geographic area within which political or judicial authority may be exercised,'" Coughenour says, quoting Black's Law Dictionary.'
OK, then it seems pretty clear that people residing in declared sanctuary domains, where immigration activists at least intend to deny federal authority, are not under federal jurisdiction. So any reproductive units achieved there do not qualify for citizenship.
The prior cases rely heavily on residence/domicile and allegiance to determine whether one is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, this is so whether two or twenty judges turn a blind eye to it.
Elk v Wilkins (1884) held that an Indian born of parents who were members of a tribe, and thus whose allegiance was to their tribe, was not “subject to the jurisdiction of the united state, and though born on US soil, would not be a citizen of the United States at birth as per the 14th amendment.
Later cases (Wong Kim Ark and Elg) developed the theory that children born in the United States of parents who were not citizens retained a “right of election” resulting from the 14th amendment which entitled them to claim citizenship when reaching the age of majority simply by proclaiming their allegiance and residing in the United States while taking on the duties of citizenship. Such persons did not need to be naturalized as they were born in the United States and demonstrated their allegiance when reaching age of majority.
It must be noted that this theory of a right of election, although said to be emanating from the 14th amendment, allowed that the right could be abrogated by treaty or legislation. Accordingly, children born in the USA, to parents present in the USA in violation of the laws or who are present only temporarily (not domiciled) within the USA, are not in the same situation as were Wong Kim Ark and Mary Elg, whose parents were domiciled (resided legally) in the USA at the time of their births. What the Supreme Court will decide is anybody's guess, but there is no conflict with precedent (in denying children of illegal immigrants and persons here only temporarily a right of election) despite the protestations of judges Coughenour and Boardman.
Correction, it was only Perkins v Elg that spoke of a right of election, though both cases relied on residence/domicile of the parents.
The 14 amendment was a reconstruction effort to provide citizenship and rights to slaves. A war was fought to settle such issues. Here's the entire opening line.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
You can tell the emphasis was on stopping STATES (south) from passing their own laws to continue discriminating against blacks. The south had to ratify this in order to rejoin the union. The left often claims that the framers of second amendment couldn't have foreseen today's automatic weapons - but given the nation defining events that led to the 14th amendment, you really have to stretch to argue that the framers of the 14th intended to give foreign nationals birthright citizenship.
Birthright citizenship is nonsensical in the modern world, where acquisition of territory or forcible impressment of people is rare (Ukraine and Gaza not withstanding). If Trump acquires or annexes some part of Africa, then all those black people and their kids would citizens be citizens, and individual states could not treat them any differently. That was the world that existed in the civil war era, one that made sense for the 14th.
Back when illegal immigration was just culture war, most Americans could just kick the birthright citizenship question down the road. Now that the notion of 2 million people coming to give birth here is more of a reality than a scenario, they will demand a resolution. The SC will probably uphold the outdated precedent. But fake arrangements to obtain citizenship is already illegal, and I expect trump to enforce it or introduce additional legislation.
Remember, it didn't have to be this way. Most Americans are moderate on immigration. The left could have compromised in good faith without calling people racist and xenophobes to avoid a crisis at the border. The left's advocacy for immigration is about identity, not humanity. They will argue for open borders and prevent Asians from enrolling at Harvard in the same breath.
"The left's advocacy for immigration is about identity, not humanity."
That deserves a repeat.
Part of the [WE] Identify-as RULES 'democracy' they champion.
And the #1 RULE is [WE] Gov-Guns get to STEAL from those 'icky' people for [OUR] Identify-as better life.
Gangland politics 101 ...
Maturing [Na]tional So[zi]alist ideology into a history of Genocide to boot.
The USA is NOT a 'democratic' [Na]tional So[zi]alist nation.
IT IS a *Constitutional* Union of Republican States.
I totally agree that persons born in the United States of America are citizens of the United States of America. Trump is wrong and the courts will eventually rule permanently against his assertions (I won't call them interpretations) but that doesn't solve the much more difficult problem: Trump clearly has the authority to deport persons who are present in the United States of America without formal permission but not to deport a child born in America or any other citizen of the United States of America (except, perhaps, extradition according to international treaties). So what happens to the minor citizens of the United States of America if their parents are deported? That has been an ongoing unresolved issue for a very long time - shame on Congress and the Courts for refusing to resolve it! My own opinion, of course, is that anyone who doesn't have a criminal record should be allowed to visit and remain in the USA and work for a living for as long as they want to as long as they don't commit a (real, not fake) crime while here. Issue resolved.
Agree all you want to VOID the 14A's 'AND' provision.
It is STILL there.
So, open borders, which will totally destroy the welfare state.
When parents of US citizen kids are deported, they can decide where the kids go. They can stay here with other relatives, but the better choice is for the kids to go with the parents, same as any kids whose parents move to another country. The kids can always come back anytime. Allowing the parents to stay creates yet another incentive for people to have anchor babies.
How about we see what Sen. Jacob Howard, author of the 14th amendment, said?
“This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”
But he did not put that into the actual text of 14A, which is what matters. Further, as Justin Amash pointed out in Reason recently: The construction of this sentence reveals that he is describing just one class of persons. Each word or phrase is clarifying the one before it: "foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." There is no "and." He is just describing foreign diplomats.
https://reason.com/2025/01/24/the-problem-with-trumps-birthright-citizenship-order/
", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," 14A.
"There is no 'and'.", Justin Amash.
Yep; Justin Amash knows how to make bold-faced LIES.
I missed the part of the Constitution that says LIES make RIGHTS.
Damn, comment section off the charts. The constitutional system is working as it should. Executive branch trying to interpret the 14th amendment in a way to push back on the immigration insanity of the last 4 years (in the opinion of many) and the courts initially saying no. Awesome. Trump is president not emperor. Let the system work.
Trump's cultists here don't want the system to work. They want Trump to be emperor (or king, as in, the king can do no wrong, a proposition disproved by Cromwell).
Cultists: we don't care what 14A says, we care about what Trump wants! So Sullum is wrong, the judges are wrong, 14A is wrong.
Your cretinous immaturity is a wonder to behold.
You can certainly make a respectable case that 14A should be amended to exclude children of illegal immigrants from birthright citizenship, but there is no respectable case either to ignore 14A or to interpret it to mean what it clearly does not say on its face.
And I note that not only is it very clear on its face but 150 years of history and tradition support the natural reading.
The 14A doesn't say ", and subjected to any US criminal law what-so-ever."
Keep blowing your self-serving VOID of the parts of the 14A you wish didn't exist.
Your usual hysterical bleating. If an illegal immigrant is subject to the jurisdiction of the US, their US-born children are US citizens. If the illegal immigrant is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, the illegal cannot be prosecuted for any crimes committed on US soil. This is a true dichotomy. There is no partial jurisdiction, or "jurisdiction except..."
"is subject to the jurisdiction of the US"
There NOT. They're subject to the jurisdiction they came from.
subjected to =/= a subject of
Needless to mention being 'illegal' wouldn't even fit 'subjected to'.
Even if you want to distort the meaning; even your own distortion fails to pass muster.
FFS; The 14A even excluded Indian Tribes being of their own sovereignty (yet still under US law) until they were Naturalized by Congress.
Your self-serving deceitful manipulation of the 14A is plain as day.
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The WSJ has an article supporting Trump's position. It's paywalled, but here is the relevant portion:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/why-trump-is-right-about-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment-citizenship-clause-f63df08a
Fine. Just have Drumphie rewrite 14A to read: Some persons born... So long as the "shall not be questioned" part about deficit spending and its perps remains intact, both the Fabian commies and Christian National Socialist lite crowd have little to fear. Eugenic racial collectivists on the other hand...