Keep Trump, and Every Other President, Out of the Fed
If a central bank has to exist, it has to be independent.

The main job of a central bank is to maintain the purchasing power of the currency, yet the U.S. dollar has depreciated about 97 percent since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. The Fed has done a profoundly bad job, especially in recent history. Having 19 unelected bureaucrats in charge of the most important price in the economy—the price of money—is a bad idea. If the Federal Reserve were abolished tomorrow, the markets would do a serviceable job of determining the path of short-term interest rates and allocating capital efficiently.
But we're stuck with the Fed for now. To the extent a central bank is necessary, you want it to be free from political influence. Studies show a strong negative correlation between central bank independence and the rate of inflation. The more independent a central bank is, the more likely it will be willing to do the hard thing and raise interest rates to stop inflation. When politicians have influence over the central bank, invariably, there is pressure to lower interest rates because it speeds up the economy and reduces unemployment—things that politicians like. But as you can see from a couple of contemporary examples (like Turkey and Argentina before President Javier Milei took office) political influence on monetary policy is a very bad thing.
Enter Donald Trump, who wants to have direct influence over monetary policy. You might recall that he spent most of his first term haranguing Fed Chairman Jerome Powell (whom Trump nominated in November 2017) to lower the federal funds interest rate to zero or negative. Trump is looking at this from the perspective of someone who is a real estate developer and borrows a lot of money. Naturally, he wants lower interest rates. He also thinks people should be able to buy cars and houses with easy money. Prior to the election, Trump's team was circulating some ideas on how to constrain the Fed's monetary policy authority, up to and including giving the president himself a seat at the Federal Open Market Committee. Trump has had some bad ideas in the past, but this is the most alarming and arguably the worst.
Economists look at this in terms of real interest rates. The real interest rate is the nominal interest rate (the actual rate) minus the rate of inflation. At the moment, the nominal interest rate is 4.5 percent, and inflation is currently at 2.9 percent, so the real rate of interest is 1.6 percent. Real rates have mostly averaged between 1 percent and 2 percent throughout history. When they are low, monetary policy is loose, and when they are high, it is restrictive. But in the 2010s and early 2020s, we had negative real interest rates, where the nominal interest rate (usually at zero) was below the rate of inflation. Negative real interest rates caused asset prices to rise, like stocks and real estate, and as a result, stocks and real estate are now unaffordable. That long period of negative real interest rates was also partly responsible for the great inflation of a few years ago. If the market were in charge of setting interest rates in 2010, they would have been materially higher, and we would not have experienced the inflation or asset price distortions that we did.
The bonkers part about all of this is that there are some prominent intellectuals on the right who think that giving Trump some power to set interest rates is actually a good idea. Luminaries such as Stephen Moore and Art Laffer have openly criticized the Federal Reserve's rate hikes to stop inflation during the last rate hike campaign in 2018, with Laffer preferring some involvement from the executive branch. Moore was actually floated as a potential member of the Fed's Board of Governors but withdrew under bipartisan opposition. The Fed is very protective of its independence, and for all of Biden's faults, he almost never commented on monetary policy during his tenure. It should be pointed out that political donations from Fed employees skew heavily Democratic, and it is possible Trump thinks they will try to undermine his presidency.
Powell is on his second term as Fed chairman, expiring in 2026. Powell has stated he will not resign if asked to by Trump. While Trump has said he will not move to replace Powell, it seems unlikely he will wait until 2026 to try to make changes at the Federal Reserve, though it's unclear what he might try. The danger is that Trump appoints a factotum to be Fed chairman in 2026, and subsequently, the Fed as an institution will do his bidding.
If Trump is successful, expect a return of high inflation in the second half of his term, and the dollar, which is extraordinarily strong right now, will weaken significantly. If interest rates are held below equilibrium, housing prices will appreciate even faster than they have in the past four years, which will benefit current homeowners at the expense of potential homeowners.
As Milei's experience in Argentina has taught us, we should all be naturally suspicious of the motivations of the central bank—but giving the president the ability to set interest rates is not the answer.
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Since we don't need a central bank, I ask what is the purpose of this article. Since the Fed has done a remarkably bad job of stabilizing and maintaining the value of the dollar, whether interfering with it is a good thing or not depends on how the President interferes with it.
The purpose of the article (which I haven't read) is to prove privilege is better in the hands of those who'd rule over us, than in the hands of the ruled.
Yeah I found the logic here a little odd. The independent FED has done an abysmal job of protecting the currency but we're for some reason stuck with it and God help us if it can't independently continue to fuck things up. How about we End The FED and be done with it?
We have a central bank, like it or not. That's the reality we live in.
The purpose of the article is to warn us about what is likely to happen if Trump gets his way and replaces the head of the Fed with a loyalist who will do his bidding. It's what His defenders would call leftist propaganda because it doesn't praise their political messiah and blame everything on Democrats.
Do you even libertarian, dudette? Whatever happened to “end the Fed”?
He doesn’t care. It’s all about ‘end Trump’ with him.
I say go for it! It's hard for me to see how a Trump toadie could do a worse job than the last sixteen Fed chairs. But maybe you see something worse that I haven't imagined?
RTFA
Why should he? You didn't.
How does that maple whine taste, Canadian anthropologist major? What kind of useless job do you get with that useless major? Starbucks? I assume they have Starbucks in Canukistan. And did you pay for that useless schooling, or was your useless schooling on the tab of your socialist government, Canadian?
"Hurr durr ad hominem i'm principled just ideas"
Ha ha, you're such fucking garbarge.
Drink more.
Really, that's your retort, after you've downed god knows how many 40s of Colt 45 today?
Sarc is incapable of forming an original thought.
He just repeats what others have said to him.
Why? You single handedly consume the daily alcohol quota for every commenter already.
We're going to make you use this money.
.....Do I get any say in the details?
No, because history shows the money's worth more if you have no say in its creation.
.....That's not surprising, but why is it better for the money to be worth more, if we have no say in its creation?
That's what the experts say.
.....Like they've decided about the viruses we have to circulate?
It should be noted that the Bank of England succesfully brought down a British Prime Minister less than 3 years ago.
Timeline :
1. New Prime Minister's team announces new Budget including shockingly right wing ideas like ..... tax cuts
2. Yuuuuge tut-tutting from the establishment
3. Bank of England abruptly ends long standing intervention in the money markets designed to stabilise interest rates
4. Interest rates go up !
5. Omigod - those crazy tax cutters made interest rates go up !
6. New Prime Minister out of the door within 50 days of coming in
7. Replacement Prime Minister (super double plus establishment guy who had just lost the party leadership election to the PM who the Bank of England got rid of) installed. Order restored.
A Central Bank in a fiat currency world is waaaay too politically powerful to remain outside the control of elected politicians. No doubt the elected politicians will abuse their power. But so will the cental bankers.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?
The voters.
The Bank of England effectively launched a coup against Liz Truss.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?
The voters.
Then when it comes to a central bank, they will vote for 0% inflation, 100% employment, and printing money to pay for free ponies for everyone.
Once or twice maybe. But after the first hyperinflation they’ll be happy to vote to go back to the gold standard.
Libertarians for a unelected 4th branch?
The only purpose of the Fed was to make it easier for the government to spend money.
Fuck the Fed, and fuck Jared Dillian, founder and principal of Jared Dillian Money. This is the second time I've seen his byline. The last one was that hit piece on Janet Yellen for not managing the national debt the way he wishes she had. In particular, he accused her of intentionally locking in Treasury sales at high rates instead of the low rates he claimed she should have. I have no more use for Janet Yellen than any other Fed bureaucrat, but he left out important information, like what other choices she had or how Fed bonds work, and basically accused her of intentionally locking in high interest rates when low interest rates were available.
Sorry for the rant, especially in defense of a Fed official, but his conspiracy theory didn't pass the smell test. And here he is again, once again pushing his pet wish list as if he's the smartest man in the room.
Jared Dillian, founder and principal of Jared Dillian Money, is not the smartest man in the room.
You're getting really good at dismissing articles by attacking the author and ignoring everything they said. Bravo.
Oh, you didn't RTFA then. Here's the very first sentence:
I responded with:
You responded with:
He's not even trying anymore.
Your supposed response was just something I bet you say any time anyone mentions the Fed. Not saying it was wrong, but there's no way you can, with a straight face, claim that was a response to the article. That was just a standard, run of the mill, gripe against the Fed. Even if it was (which I do not believe), the rest of your comment is just an attack meant to dismiss whatever the author said by attacking him, not the article. There's a term for that.
Now if you read past that first sentence you'd get to the second one.
So the author is not praising the Fed.
The author's point is that while the Fed sucks, it would suck even worse if it had to answer to politicians instead of being independent. I think that's a valid point. Do you have a response to the point, or just more attacks like your mentor Jesse?
In other words, your first comment was a lie, and now you've deigned to read one sentence of it to change the subject. Of course the Fed's been doing a lousy job. That was not my comment. My comment was that this author stated the wrong purpose of the Fed, and I was calling him out.
I didn't call him out for how well the Fed was doing it's job.
I didn't call you out for telling the truth.
I didn't call out the Easter Bunny for not wearing a tutu.
So burn your straw somewhere else. Sherlock Holmes could use some in Norwood, I hear tell.
Do you have a response to the point, or just more attacks like your mentor Jesse?
You could have saved yourself some useless typing and just said "Nope, no response, just attacks like my bro Jesse."
Nice ad hominem attempt. Are these the illustrious ideas you speak of, Sarc?
Two ad homs in one sentence. I don't know if that's progress or not.
Your not even trying to sound sober any more, huh?
Fucking drunken douchebag liar.
My comment doesn't sound sober when read out loud by a drunk Canadian? Yeah, no shit. By the way, those blurry bits? They're called "words".
Is this a case of "I'm rubber, you're glue", Sarc? It isn't working.
In other words, your first comment was a lie
No it wasn't, and I explained why. Your post was a standard gripes plus attacks on the author. You weren't responding to anything the author said. You were just being a bitch. You still haven't responded to his main point, and you won't. Because you know he's right, and you can't admit that now that you've gone on the attack against me to impress the Trump defenders. At this point you're just saving face with the Trump defenders like the kiss-ass that you are. I actually thought you were serious about freedom and limited government for a little while. But you're not. You're pathetic.
Fed = profoundly bad.
Politicians/Trump influence over Fed = super duper profoundly bad (you know, because Turkey).
So, we should shoot for profoundly bad.
Does that sum up the article about right?
Introduced in the House as H.R. 7837 by Carter Glass (D-VA)
signed by Woodrow Wilson[D] and the 63rd United States Congress [D]-trifecta.
Every CURSE of this nation was sold by [D]-trifectas.
While mostly true, there is the glaring exception of the Patriot Act. That was a GWBushpig proposal, signed by both parties in a R-controlled House and Sentate.
So True and it baffles me the ?Patriot? Act TURD is still floating 25-years later.
I swear nothing gets repealed in D.C.
Screw this. Just END THE FED! And be done with it.
delenda est Carthaginem
Then go whole hog and say that Janet Yellen should not say what she in fact did say, that we need at $3 TRILLION/ year for climate change. Of was that just an anti-Trump comment poorly disguised
Trump should have no control over the Fed nor over monetary policy. Under no reading of the Constitution does the president have any such power, and Trump lacks any relevant knowledge.
I doubt those of you calling for abolition of the Fed have much of a clue about how the banking system works. I also wonder how many of you who want the Fed to be abolished are in favour of a gold standard.
Where in the Constitution is the federal government authorized to create the Fed or any central bank?
It is at least implied authority, taking Art 1 S8 as a whole.
Do you insist that what isn't explicitly in the text isn't a power of Congress or the Executive?
Yes. Read the 10th Amendment.
I have done.
So you agree that the USAF is unconstitutional, Congress has no power to raise money for it, nor has the president any authority over it, etc.
Or are you going to say, but that's different because...?
So you're doing a WhAtAboUtism to some other topic because you recognize that the Fed is unconstitutional?
And to play your game, there is a good argument to be made that standing armies (or AF) during peacetime is also unconstitutional.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; . . .
One could easily argue that it is both necessary and proper to setup some sort of system/entity to monitor and manage this.
Article I, Section 10, Clause 1:
"No State shall" ... "make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"
And they could argue even MORE-SO that gold and silver coin is the only Constitutional basis of Money to regulate.
I'm definitely in favor of Gold/Silver coinage.
While not directly demanded in the US Constitution it is definitely inferred by State-Tax collection.
And sticking to it sure would've saved this nation from bankruptcy and the Nazi-Empire that literally built itself upon 'armed-theft' scams revolving around FAKE-Fiat.
I'm definitely in favor of Gold/Silver coinage.
Of course you are, because in economics you're a moron.
Got to be carful of that too.
1st. Take the gold confiscation of 1933 (Executive Order 6102) as a good warning example.
2nd. The US standard of living wouldn't be anything close to what it is today if the US Dollar was not the so call world currency. That is a privilege that is very much worth trying to hold on to.
LOL... "Gold confiscation" is literally part of the Nazi-Empire today (IRS).
The privilege of government STEALING all you labors through inflation?
No matter how many accounting ledger games you want to play the median of value isn't the value itself and it's never going to be.
Printing $ doesn't create wealth.
1. This is fair.
2. The Fed still needs an audit.
3. This would be more acceptable if the federal government didn't actively suppress alternative monies.
The one thing worse than a central bank accountable to elected officials is a central bank NOT accountable to elected officials.
Claiming the Fed must be independent is intellectually dishonest at best.
As I said, How can you defend comments by Janet Yellen that we need to spend at least $3 TRILLION/year on climate change.
Does she know clmiate science whereas Trump supposedly knows nothing about money, a billionaire and real estate expert
"Independent" meaning "independent of citizens' welfare."