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Tobacco

Let Freedom Zyn

Plus: TikTok bans, weak cigarettes, and more...

Christian Britschgi | 1.17.2025 9:31 AM

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Let freedom ryng: On Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the marketing of 20 Zyn nicotine pouch products, allowing them to be legally sold by tobacco retailers nationwide (barring any additional state and local restrictions).

Fellow Zyn users might find the news that the sale of their daily fix is now officially legal somewhat surprising given that it's already readily available at almost every gas station and tobacconist in America.

The fact is that the sellers of Zyn and countless other nicotine pouches, vape products, and other tobacco substitutes, have been operating in a darkly shaded gray regulatory environment for years.

The 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act requires that "new tobacco products" not on the market as of 2007 receive "pre-market product authorization" from the FDA before they can be legally sold.

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That requirement effectively meant that all vapes, heated tobacco products, nicotine pouches, and other new substitutes for traditional combustible cigarettes and cigars needed the agency's approval before they were legally allowed to be sold.

Much to the chagrin of both the sellers of these products and anti-nicotine groups, the FDA has been exceedingly slow at creating a regulatory process for granting that pre-market authorization.

The FDA's foot-dragging eventually prompted a lawsuit from anti-nicotine groups, which in turn promoted federal courts to set some deadlines. New tobacco product makers had to submit pre-market authorization applications to the FDA by September 2020 and those products needed to receive that authorization by September 2021 in order to be sold legally.

Receiving the FDA's pre-market authorization turned out to be a high bar. Companies hoping to sell their innovative, stimulative, flavorful wares must show to the agency's satisfaction that the legal availability of their product makes people less likely to consume tobacco products they're currently using, without encouraging non-users to start.

Individual flavors and nicotine levels also require separate FDA approvals. (The 20 Zyn products approved by the agency yesterday cover ten of the brand's flavors offered in the three- and six-milligram nicotine doses.)

The result was that the September 2021 deadline came and went without the agency granting pre-market authorization to almost all manufacturers who'd applied for it.

At the same time, the agency had not explicitly denied the vast majority of those applications either.

This left Zyn, Juul, and your local vape shop in the uncomfortable position of selling products that lacked explicit legal FDA approval but had yet to be explicitly denied that approval by the agency.

It's only been the agency's lack of resources and discretion that's stopped every non-authorized product from being pulled from store shelves and sellers hit with heavy fines.

Republicans in Congress have pointed out the absurdity of the current regulatory environment where illegal vape products are being sold just miles from the FDA's own headquarters.

Yesterday's decision by the FDA will allow the makers of Zyn (Phillip Morris International subsidiary Swedish Match) to sleep more soundly at night—provided they haven't consumed too much of their own product right before bedtime.

Tik as I do, not as I tok: Speaking of bans that the federal government lacks the balls will to enforce, outgoing President Joe Biden said Thursday evening that his administration does not intend to act on an effective ban of the social media app TikTok.

In April, Biden had signed into law a bill requiring that TikTok's Chinese owner ByteDance sell the company. If they didn't, American app stores and internet service providers could face fines for allowing access to the app.

The deadline for compliance is Sunday. ByteDance has yet to sell its massively popular app and TikTok has a challenge of the forced divestiture of its parent company pending at the Supreme Court (which appears likely to rule against the company).

That law gives the federal government some very limited leeway in delaying enforcement of the effective ban on TikTok. Per ABC News, the company must show that "it's on a 'path to executing' a divesture from its Chinese owner; there must be 'evidence of significant progress' toward a sale; and that progress must be sealed with 'relevant binding legal agreements.'"

TikTok has not met those requirements. Nevertheless, the Biden administration said it won't seek to enforce the new law on its last day in office.

President-elect Donald Trump has promised to "save" the app from Congress' effective ban. TikTok's CEO will attend a Trump victory rally this weekend in Washington, D.C.

Even some lawmakers who voted for legislation that included the forced ByteDance sale of the app appear to be having second thoughts.

Sen. Ed Markey (D–Mass.) has said he'll introduce a bill to delay the deadline for ByteDance's sale of TikTok. The senator, and a few others who voted for the effective TikTok ban, still reportedly use the app.

A list of the people who voted YES on the Tiktok ban, who coincidently still use Tiktok.@CoryBooker @SenSherrodBrown @SenBobCasey @JohnFetterman @gillibrandny @SenMarkey @PattyMurray @SenOssoff @SenatorWarnock @JeffJacksonNC

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— Jo Jorgensen (@JoForLiberty) January 15, 2025

Do as I say, not as I do, apparently.

He taketh a drag away: Even as the Biden administration legalizes one nicotine product, it proposes the prohibition on another. On Wednesday, the White House produced harsh reductions in the amount of nicotine that would be allowed in conventional cigarettes.

The proposed levels would amount to an effective ban on the current cigarettes on the market. As Reason's Jacob Sullum writes:

The FDA's proposed rule covers cigarette tobacco, pipe tobacco (except shisha for waterpipes), and cigars (except for "premium" cigars). All of those products would be limited to 0.7 milligrams of nicotine per gram of tobacco. That cap technically complies with a federal law that bars the FDA from banning tobacco products or "requiring the reduction of nicotine yields of a tobacco product to zero." But the negligible amount of nicotine allowed under the rule would amount to both in practice.

Sullum reports that the first Trump administration considered a similar policy, but abandoned it after consideration of the likely fact that smokers would inhale more deeply and more often in an attempt to consume the same amount of nicotine.

In its last few days, the Biden administration seems less concerned with such petty, practical concerns.


Scenes from D.C.: To celebrate the newly official legal status of Zyn, I popped into a local retailer to buy a fresh tin of the stuff. As it happens, they were offering many of Zyn's FDA-approved robust flavors—all of which are technically illegal to sell under the District's flavored "tobacco" ban.

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It felt a little dirty to walk away with a few of the brand's spearmint-flavored pouches. Any of the guilt I felt about the illegality of the purchase was assuaged by the fact that the "smooth" and "cool" Zyn cans I had been buying previously (to say nothing of even more affordable on! pouches) were just as illegal. A pouch (and a glass of wine) helped me complete this newsletter on time (and in good spirits) for the morning editor.


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  • Are you seeing red? Well, neither am I. The FDA has banned Red Dye No. 3. We'll see how well this agency prohibition sticks.
  • Is there a spiritual case for acquiring Greenland? Politico has the scoop.
  • The FBI is no longer DEI.
  • Israel and Hamas appear on track for a ceasefire.
  • Trump is ready to bypass Congress on the border and tariffs, reports The Wall Street Journal. Let's hope he doesn't think of a third thing to abuse his executive authority over.
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  1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    The FDA has banned Red Dye No. 3. We'll see how well this agency prohibition sticks.

    Better dead than red.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      Ban a commie dye for mommy.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Meh. Democrats have been trying to ban Red Team people and politics for the past few decades.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Is there a spiritual case for acquiring Greenland?

    Buy it and move our federal agencies there.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      Why do you hate Greenland?

    2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      Spread them out well, so Greenland doesn't capsize. Wait, no, put them all together, somewhere very cold. Or on an ice shelf that will collapse while they're in session.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        In session? How dare you. I said agencies not our precious elected leaders.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    The FBI is no longer DEI.

    They were having difficulty staffing Patriot Front.

    1. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      Ok, that is effin' funny. 🙂

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        I agree.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          #metoo since you can't second your own motion.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            I thought under Me Too! rules you can be your own witness, prosecutor, judge, and jury.

            1. Dillinger   5 months ago

              I think the judge & jury are the other posting harpies but yes

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Now what's America going to do for racists? Will ordinary American citizens have to start being white supremacists if the government no longer will?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        They’ll have to find the blackface and brown face of white supremacy to fill those voids.

      2. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

        Perhaps we'll have to fill those jobs (Patriot Front) with immigrants who will do the jobs Americans don't want to do.

    3. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Finally free to roll all their inclusivity policies back to the days when they didn't have to consider every light-skinned Asian and Hispanic with a European last names to be White when looking for serial killers and terrorists.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Did they require recruits to buy their own khaki pants?

  4. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

    Only 74.5 hours before the Brain Damaged Biden leaves office. Can't happen soon enough. Good riddance.

    (although, he did the right thing in supporting Israel...showing that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn)

    How much more can he fuck up on the way out the door?

    1. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      I am genuinely surprised he wasn't pressed to resign so we could have our first female POTUS. He still has 74 more hours.

      1. Moonrocks   5 months ago

        I'm still expecting it to happen. Biden resigns, the Kamala is sworn in and immediately issues Biden a pardon.

        1. tracerv   5 months ago

          President Jill despises Vice President Word Salad. Not going to happen.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

            Seems she's despised by nearly anyone who knows here (and many who don't).

            1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

              You see, that just shows how misogynist this country is. There is no reason other than her being a woman to despise Dr. Jill.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

                Learn to intersectional! Harris' brown(ish) middle class beats Biden's AWFL every time.

    2. mad.casual   5 months ago

      How much more can he fuck up on the way out the door?

      While I agree, there's still a big part of me that is even more abhorred by what the DNC did to him and the rest of us.

      If he'd quit at VP, he could've lived a quiet life into dementia-addled obscurity. Instead, this is his legacy, America's Nero, and it will never be entirely clear as to whether he stepped up to it with a clear mind and conscience or not.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        There's certainly no contradiction in noting what a fuck-up he is, while still having sympathy for how he was unceremoniously pushed out the door after the DNC and the very same oligarchs he bitched about in his speech went all-out on the swing-state ballot stuffing to get him in office.

        1. Incunabulum   5 months ago

          There is no reason to have sympathy for him for being pushed out the door.

          He spent his life in politics - in the Democratic Party. You are either a useful tool or you are out on your arse and he knows it. He stopped being a useful tool so being put out on his ass should have been entirely expected by him. These are not people who feel gratitude.

          He got exactly what he's been giving for 50 years.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Israel and Hamas appear on track for a ceasefire.

    The art of the deal.

  6. Super Scary   5 months ago

    Oh man, he uses a mason jar as a cup. You're so hip and with it, Christian.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Celebrating our traditional American roots!

  7. sarcasmic   5 months ago

    Trump is ready to bypass Congress...

    It's ok. Democrats did it first.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      The daily Sarcasmic strawman, ladies and gentlemen.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        Don't scroll down to the next comment.

    2. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      It's ok because democrats did it. Just say it. You know you want to.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        Sarc never had a problem when the Democrats did it. It's only bad now.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          Democrats have good intentions.

          The gop are all racists.

          This is what sarc believes while denying being a Democrat.

    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

      Your transition to bot is complete.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

        The poor useless tit, he even fucks up trolling.

        1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

          The latest Stossel video on YT is his full-length interview with Michael Malice. The first part is all about Malice being a troll. Pretty good watch, I have to say--but I'm a fan of Malice, so I'm biased.

          The trolls on this site should watch it to get pointers on how to troll better.

    4. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      It's ok when Democrats do it. -sarcjeff

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Like a fucking clock.

      1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

        When you guys stop excusing and defending Trump when he does things that angered you when done by Democrats, then I'll stop pointing it out.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          Please provide examples, otherwise, all you’re doing is tilting at strawmen and windmills while in the throws of your own obsession with Trump and stewing in your own TDS.

        2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

          then I'll stop pointing it out.

          NO.

          Point it out you stupid fucking tit, because you're not doing that now. You're just spamming your one line troll.

          So fucking actually point it out. Prove your claim. Show your work. Tell us where exactly we are defending Trump when he does things that angered us when done by Democrats.

          Because you sure as fuck aren't doing that right now, trollboy.

        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Good to hear you admit that you are deliberately being a dick.

    6. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

      Well maybe they should quit doing it first.

    7. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

      Ideas™ !

    8. damikesc   5 months ago

      Who, PRECISELY, defended Trump for doing this?

  8. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Trump is ready to bypass Congress on the border and tariffs...

    I guess Obama should have taken his phone and his pen with him when he left.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Enforcing laws congress passed is somehow bypassing congress.

      1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

        Congress gave the president the power to raise tariffs in times of war or national emergency. So Trump is going to declare immigration from Canada and Mexico to be an existential threat to the nation so he can bypass Congress and put blanket tariffs on all goods coming in from our neighbors. Not sure how his defenders will explain away the instant inflation when the price of everything goes up. They'll probably blame Biden. Or Obama. The certainly won't blame him.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          Please explain again how tariffs add to inflation, which has more to do with printing too much fucking money?

          1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

            If sarcjeff knew what words mean, he wouldn't be sarcjeff.

          2. Longtobefree   5 months ago

            Don't you remember how inflation hit the roof after Trump imposed tariffs in his first term?

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

              We all know 30B in tariffs has a much greater inflationary effect than 3T in regulatory costs.

              Sarc listens to podcasts. He is an expert.

              1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                Translation: The red herring did it!

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                  More things Sarc fails to comprehend.

                  1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

                    Comprehension is racist.

            2. sarcasmic   5 months ago

              Do you know the difference between targeted tariffs and blanket tariffs? Apparently not.
              During Trump's first term he used national security as a pretext to put targeted tariffs on specific industries. And the prices of those things did indeed to up.
              That is different from the current plan which is to put blanket tariffs on everything. That will cause the prices of everything to go up.

              See the difference? No. Didn't think so.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                Obviously you don’t, dipshit. You seem to lack comprehension regarding negotiations and targeted tariffs.

              2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

                “…., the current plan which is to….”

                Jesus fucking Christ dude, can you at least shut up about it until it actually happens? This is really getting pathetic.

                All the time you spend on this one topic while you’re hardly ever here will feel like such a waste if nothing even happens.

                Won’t it?

            3. sarcasmic   5 months ago

              By the way, inflation did hit the roof thanks to Trump's CARES Act creating $5T out of thin air. Biden's Green New Deal then created another $4T out of thin air, making the inflation even worse.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                Oh, so now you admit it’s printing too much money instead of tariffs that cause inflation. By the way, you’ve been told before that a supermajority of Congress (read: veto proof) was for that bill.

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

                  And democrats doubled and tripled down on the spending.

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                    The new Treasury secretary explained it all yesterday to the Senate. Revenues are higher than ever because of the Trump tax cuts. That is what tax cuts do, spur investment and growth. We can grow our way past the deficit if we can just cut spending.

                    Trump did not pass the CARES act. It was unanimously passed in the Senate, so it was veto proof. Trump of course took credit, because he is not stupid and it was only $2.2T, Sarc is just lying to make it sound like Trump spent more than Biden. Even Wikipedia can't inflate it...

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20bipartisan,Donald%20Trump%20on%20March%2027.

                2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

                  Acknowledging that something else causes inflation does not mean tariffs don't also increase prices. They obviously do increase prices, although it technically not inflation, but the same to consumers.

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                    You are really oversimplifying the issue. If there are similarly priced substitutes, then there won't be inflation. If blueberries from Mexico get expensive, people can eat blackberries from Oregon. Which can mean that the Mexicans might lower the price and offset the tariff rather than find a new market.

                    Switching away from poutine and maple donuts will probably save lives.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

                      What about steel, aluminum and oil? How about iphones and electronics? Cars? Coffee beans?

                    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                      Fuck iPhones, Samsung is building a multi-billion dollar facility in Taylor, Texas and I am sure I heard somebody say, "drill baby drill". Iron and aluminum are the 3rd and 4th most abundant elements on the planet. If you want them cheaper, deregulate the mining industry. Coffee? I don't drink it.

                      America is Harrison Bergeron, bitch. Shrug the weights off and see what happens.

              2. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                Cares Act was 2.2 Trillion. Where did the 5T come from?

                Btw, passed the house 419 - 6
                Passed Senate 96 - 0

                But it's Trump's fault.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act

                1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                  That's veto proof. Trump's opinion was irrelevant.

                  1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                    So what? Trump should have vetoed the bills and placed all the blame at the feet of Congress, including the Republicans who voted for it. Instead he signed it and then bragged about how awesome it was.

                    1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                      None of that changes the fact that it was a bi-partisan bill.

                      Also, this was action due to the pandemic. People needed money because they were denied the ability to work.

                      Do you expect Trump to throw a useless fit over something that was going to help people in a once in a lifetime crisis?

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                      I'm pretty sure if Trump would have had the ability to block it you would complain that he is denying help to people in need.

                    3. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                      I'm not going to chase the goalposts. And no I would not have complained about Trump not signing an inflationary spending bill that was riddled with cronyism. Quite the opposite.

                    4. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                      So you are ok with people not having support during the pandemic?

                      Since that was the purpose of the bill it's not changing the goalpost.

                    5. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

                      I'm pretty sure if Trump would have had the ability to block it you would complain that he is denying help to people in need.

                      That's exactly what would have happened, and exactly why it would have been stupid for Trump to veto it.

                      I wasn't allowed to work for 13 weeks because of stupid Leftists, it's only fair that the government paid me back using my taxes. Fuck you. It's the people who weren't working or paying taxes that still got all of that money that really fucked things up.

                    6. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                      Sarc backs up a tow truck and starts hauling off the goalposts:

                      "You fuckers must be moving the goalposts they look the same relative to me."

            4. sarcasmic   5 months ago

              Desperate muted troll is working down the thread, dropping a turd on all my comments. How cute.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                You might learn something (if you cared to learn) by reading them, king of straw.

              2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                You know, muting isn't the flex you think it is. The only people that bothers are attention whores.
                So now he get's to mock the fuck out of you and you don't get to respond. Genius.

                1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                  Anyone impressed by him or you is completely worthless anyway, so I don't really care.

                  1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                    No, anyone impressed by a drunken, part-retarded, wife-beating failure like you, is completely worthless.

                    ITL is just fine, and everyone likes him, trollboy. It's you that everyone thinks is a piece of garbage.

                    so I don't really care.

                    You're an attention whore. Nobody in the whole wide world cares more than you do.

                  2. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

                    POST THE LIST!

                  3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                    Post the list, dingbat.

          3. Minadin   5 months ago

            I've been told that inflation is a monetary policy metric, and only loosely associated with rising costs of goods. So, we shouldn't conflate the two.

            1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

              Inflation is defined by economists as a general increase in prices. Most often the cause is monetary. But protective tariffs can have the same result. When the price of everything you buy goes up, and the value of your paycheck goes down, will it really matter what mechanism caused it? The result is the same.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

                Inflation is defined by economists as a general increase in prices.

                Did you read that on bastiat.com?

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                  Everything he posts that isn't invective is cribbed from someone else.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

          That is a lot of words to say Trump will follow the laws congress passed, namely the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.

          1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

            I wouldn't say "follow". More like "manipulate".

            Why do you want the price of everything from gas to groceries to increase? What do you gain?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

              Why would they increase, Sarc? Most groceries are produced within the US. We drill and refine our own gasoline.

            2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

              Why do you want the price of everything from gas to groceries to increase? What do you gain?

              ^This is why we call you strawcasmic^

              1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                You're defending tariffs that are going to raise the price of everything you buy. If my conclusion is wrong, tell me why. What other reason is there for you to defend higher prices?

                1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

                  Still with the strawman arguement, where have I defended tariffs? You still don't know the meaning of strawman do you? Next you will be screaming you are the victim of an ad hominem.

                  1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                    If you didn't say something against it, you are defending it.

                    Doesn't make sense, but that's what you're up against.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                  Again, please explain how and why prices would increase.

              2. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                Pretty hard for tariffs to hit the two largest domestically produced products, food and gas, we produce enough that we cover our own needs and export surplus, especially food. I'm thinking this is another word Sarc doesn't understand. Probably two, inflation and tariffs.

                1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                  We import crude from Canada, and much of our fruits and vegetables are imported as well. So the price of gas and groceries will increase.

                  Here's another little fact about tariffs. When tariffs increase the price of some import higher than the domestic equivalent, domestic producers and sellers take advantage and raise their prices too. So if tariffs raise the price of gas made from Canadian crude by fifty cents, sellers of gas from domestically produced crude will raise their prices as well.

                  Something about supporting Trump makes people unable to understand things like this.

                  1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                    No, we import a small portion of our fruits and vegetables from foreign sources. Most all is produced in Arizona or Florida in the winter moron. Fuck you're an idiot who has no clue what he is bloviates about. You have no clue.

                    1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                      That explains why most of the stuff in the produce section has a little sign that says "Product of Mexico".

                    2. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                      That due to stupid regulations moron. If it may contain any product from Mexico they have to label it that way. So, if one avocado in the box comes from Mexico, they all have to carry the label. Same with meat, if a processing plant processes any Canadian or Mexican beef, all the beef they produce carries a label that states may contain products from Canada or Mexico. Like I said, you're talking about shit you don't understand. So fuck off, asshole. You don't know what you're talking about yet you keep fucking making the same stupid fucking argument, even after being fucking corrected by multiple people, which means you to fucking stupid to admit you're ignorance. Fuck off asshole.

                    3. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                      Oh and BTW, the NCBA has been lobbying for years to clarify Country of Origin Labels, to better reflect if a certain cut comes from a US produced steer, or a foreign, but you and the rest of the mindless Reason sealions made a big to do about 'protectionist' tactics, when in fact it would have clarified it. As it stands now, if you import any product from Mexico or Canada you have to label all your product either as Canadian or Mexican produced (because it's easy to fit on a small label on an avocado) or label all your products as possibly containing products grown in Canada or Mexico. This puts certain producers at a real disadvantage, because consumers tend to prefer to buy American produced foods. So, like the feedlots and processors in the Pacific Northwest end up having to sell their beef for less than their competitors in the Great plains, as they buy a percentage of their calves from Canada (but the label has to state Canada or Mexico, despite the fact most wouldn't object to Canadian beef as it is viewed as safer). So, the only reason tariffs would harm groceries prices is because of poorly written laws and regulations, which when the industry attempted to reform, 'muh free market' sea lions, who had no clue what they were bloviating about, killed the reforms. Good job fuckhead.

                    4. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                      I'm still amazed at the lengths Trump defenders go to to defend raising taxes.

                    5. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                      Sarc, you manage to make a box of rocks look highly intelligent by comparison.

                  2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                    Here's another little fact about tariffs. When tariffs increase the price of some import higher than the domestic equivalent, domestic producers and sellers take advantage and raise their prices too.

                    So? You know we subsidize farmers and manufacturers. We stop that. Net zero. Duh.

                    You only ever see the part of the story that follows your narrative.

                    1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                      And he has no clue how agriculture works either. As producers we don't get to set the price. In fact, often, when operating costs increase, producers end up selling their product cheaper, because the traders and processors set the price, and they don't raise groceries prices except as a last resort (that's how bad the economy really is, because processors hate fucking raising end product prices, because consumers get really fucking pissed when they're mac n cheese goes up by $0.10 a box). So processors will bid down commodities before they raise prices, ergo farmers and ranchers will have to sell for less, despite increased costs. He really is talking out of his ass when it comes to agriculture, yet, no matter how often you correct him, he tries to pretend like he knows more than everyone else. The fact that grocery prices have consistently gone up is because inflation is far worse than the numbers being reported. Processors will do everything under the sun to avoid raising the end product price.

                    2. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                      Don't you worry. I'm sure Trump will increase subsidies when farmers and manufactures suffer from retaliatory tariffs, just like he did during his first term.

                      Isn't protectionism great? The prices of goods increases, exports and export related employment decreases, government subsidizes the inevitable losers with money created out of thin air, and people like you blame everything but the tariffs and attack anyone who does.
                      They're a crony's wet dream. Terrible for everyone else, but great for politicians and their cronies.

                    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                      Don't you worry. I'm sure Trump will increase subsidies when farmers and manufactures suffer from retaliatory tariffs, just like he did during his first term.

                      You falsely accuse someone of moving the goalposts and then engage in the behavior yourself. Smooth.

                      Subsidies hurt markets. If Trump can't ditch them when the economy is booming, then Trump is just not going to do it. You claim others never criticize Trump, but we do. We do it all the time.

            3. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

              I wouldn't say "follow". More like "manipulate".

              That is because you are disingenuous. If you disagree with policy say so. You and Britches framing it is a power grab is a lie to avoid having to stand on your own arguements.

              1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                Trump's goal is to increase tariffs. He's made that very clear. He's also made it clear that he's not going to wait for Congress to do it legislatively. So he's going to declare immigration to be a national emergency in order to get what he wants. That's about as manipulative as when Democrats called J6 an insurrection so they could bar Trump from running for reelection. That was dishonest and wrong, and it failed. What Trump is doing is also dishonest and wrong, but he's going to succeed while people like you cheer him on.

                1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

                  Poor sarc.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                  Poor Sarc with the classic false equivalency argument. You’re almost as bad as your friend Jeffy there.

                3. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                  ""So he's going to declare immigration to be a national emergency in order to get what he wants."'

                  This probably will not age well.

                  1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                    I'm pretty sure that 11+ million illegal aliens, associated with increased drug deaths, increased cost of living and increased crime that has all been well documented certainly would fit the definition of a national emergency.

                4. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

                  Trump's goal is to increase tariffs.

                  Show your work. Stupid lying turd.

                  1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                    Trump has been talking about tariffs since the 1980s. Back then he was complaining about Japan's unfair trade practices and about rich Japanese people buying property in America. The sky was falling and only high tariffs on Japanese goods could save us. Thankfully he didn't get his way, and we were able to enjoy cheap Japanese electronics without being punished with import taxes.

                    Now it's China instead of Japan.

                    He just likes protective tariffs and has been promoting them for four decades.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                      So you’re all about the “cheap shit” rather than looking at the whole picture.

        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

          Fuck off and die, you pathetic pile of masochistic lefty shit.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            I swear that’s the only reason he comes here. He wants attention whether good or bad, he cares not.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

              He is Reasons Attention Hogg.

              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

                It could be sad, but he's such an obnoxious asshole that it's impossible for me to find any sympathy.

        4. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

          Not sure how his defenders will explain away the instant inflation when the price of everything goes up.

          Once again, there is zero correlation between tariff rates and inflation rates in this country's history. If Trump was just turning on the money printer again for "stimulus," then yeah, it would apply.

          1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

            When the prices of everything from gas to groceries go up as a result of his tariffs, and the purchasing power of your paycheck goes down, remind me that tariffs don't cause inflation.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

              I'm sure you will blame Trump for the inflation from the Biden tariffs this year.

              1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                Something about supporting Trump makes people unable to comprehend the difference between tariffs on specific industries and tariffs on all imports. Weird.

                1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

                  Specific price increases are ok because democrats did it first.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                  You’re the one with the Trump obsession and a raging case of TDS.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

              Again, please explain how and why prices would increase. Most groceries are produced within the US, and we drill and refine our own gasoline (which is subject to the futures market, not tariffs).

              1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

                Food and energy aren't included in core inflation calculations. But I am sure the high price of eggs is somehow Trump's fault. Sarc told me so.

              2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

                explain how and why prices would increase.

                If metals are tariffed, there will be an increase in cost for domestically produced vehicles and cans of food and any infrastructure improvements. Need a new fork lift or a truck or repair an old one? Increased costs are passed on to the consumer.

                Computers and electronics, a large part of any business will add to costs.

                Just like regulatory costs, it adds up and trickles down.

                gasoline (which is subject to the futures market, not tariffs).

                What are the futures market based on? If we import tariffed oil, where does the money come from to pay the tariffs? If we don't import and instead decrease supply, what does the law of supply and demand tell us will happen?

                If oil tariffs on Canadian supply is enough to affect gas prices, that affects the price of everything due to trucking and travelling.

                1. soldiermedic76   5 months ago

                  The costs you list are so negligible as to be meaningless.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

                    Well then we should get the word out to economists because they seem to be under a huge misconception that they are meaningful.

                    1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                      No QB. Economists are all wrong. They've been wrong for the last two and a half centuries. Mercantilism and protectionism is where it's at. If you disagree then you're a globalist.

                    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                      Hey, dumbass! We don't control the world. If mercantilism and protectionism is the order of the day, then America should be the best at it for the benefit of its citizens rather than just allowing foreign nationals to grift all the benefits.

                    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

                      Chuck, how dare you put regular Americans first!

                      Why can't you be like sophisticated liberals and put the WEF global elite first?

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

              Once again:
              There is zero correlation between tariff rates and inflation rates in this country's history. Massive DE-flation took place after Smoot-Hawley, not inflation.

              If inflation gets worse, it's going to be due to factors other than tariffs.

              1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                I'm not talking about inflation rates. I'm talking about a general increase in prices. Your paycheck doesn't care about the mechanism that causes it to lose its purchasing power. The only bright side is that inflation caused by import taxes can be undone, while inflation caused by devaluing money can't.

                1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                  ""When the prices of everything from gas to groceries go up as a result of his tariffs, and the purchasing power of your paycheck goes down, remind me that tariffs don't cause inflation.""

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                    He's lost the plot again...

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                      I’m not too sure Sarc ever had the plot.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      That's okay. Despite Obama and Joe leading losing records at the USSC, they both at least recognize the constitution according to sarc.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Hmm, I thought it was the Clintons who took everything with them.

  9. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

    Trump is ready to bypass Congress on the border and tariffs,

    No Taxation without Representation!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      No representation without taxation!

  10. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Let's hope he doesn't think of a third thing to abuse his executive authority over.

    Maybe he'll also sign an executive order banning the rule of three.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Bring back Prima Nocta!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Always use your third wish to get more wishes.

        1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

          I always wondered why, in this fantastic situation of genies and three wishes, one wouldn't wish for more wishes with his FIRST wish. Why chance something happening and leave it to the last wish? If a genie or djinn, which is known as a malevolent force trying to screw you over, is offering three wishes, you better not count on that last wish happening or being carried out in a way that you would want.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        Waste of a rule, when they already LET you grab them by the pussy.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

          You have to check for lady dick

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            Crocodile Dundee, is that you?

          2. Unable2Reason   5 months ago

            So it could be considered self defense.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

              Or felony sexism. How dare you decide which type of genitalia you want to sleep with?

  11. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Biden issues a lot of last-minute executive orders. Can Trump undo them?

    If they're big government shit, will Trump want to.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Hey, Sarc, look! Somebody besides you criticized Trump.

  12. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    "Biden issues a lot of last-minute executive orders. Can Trump undo them?"

    If he can't then surely Trump can pass a bunch of EOs during his term that no later president can undo, right?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      SCOTUS codified the But Trump! exemption to EOs with DACA.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

      ""Biden sets to work on reversing Trump policies with executive orders""

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55738746

  13. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    A pouch (and a glass of wine) helped me complete this newsletter on time (and in good spirits) for the morning editor.

    Please stop enabling sarc.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      Not so sure it’s enabling as Sarc wouldn’t stop at the glass of whine, but go for the entire box.

  14. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

    The FBI is no longer DEI.

    Back to CRT or is their a new acronym?

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Deep state.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Remember when the deep state was only down deep?

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

          The Resistance is very public now.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            The Leviathan came out as trans.

  15. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Crazy story in Ga and an example of establishment GOP. Duly elected state rep banned from the legislature for denigrate former speaker despite Ga constitution. Threatened for arrest if he shows up over words. Is promptly arrested for showing up yo his job, taken down physically and sent to same jail Trump went to.

    https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/16/georgia-speaker-arrests-gop-senator-who-criticized-his-predecessor/

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      The GOPe were always as much a problem as the Democrats.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Kill anyone who wants to hold office?

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          It's the only way to be sure.

      2. Rockstevo   5 months ago

        The good news is now he can take the speaker to court and have this order reversed. Trump should order the US Attorney for this area to convene a grand jury to investigate this douche to ascertain if he violated this senators civil rights and also any and all federal laws he may have violated. You know give him the Durham experience.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    On Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the marketing of 20 Zyn nicotine pouch products...

    Big Pharma must have an expensive new oral cancer treatment that kinda almost works that they need to push.

    1. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Big Pharma must have an expensive new oral cancer treatment that kinda almost works that they need to push.

      [stretches conspicuously] Yeah... probably gonna need that vaccine a couple of times.

      They really did fuck up COVID marketing.

    2. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

      Serious question: Does Zyn, which contains no tobacco, just nicotine, cause mouth cancer?

      1. Zeb   5 months ago

        Pretty sure the answer is no. It's not the nicotine that causes mouth and lung cancer, but compounds formed during the curing process for most tobacco. There are even types of tobacco (Swedish snus) which have not been shown to be a major risk factor for oral cancers.

        1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

          I just today researched the difference between snus and zyn. Reportedly, snus is made from tobacco, so there still is some risk there, I assume. Zyn is not made from tobacco, so you're probably right about no cancer risk from it.

          Still, snus is probably much less risky compared to straight dip.

          1. Zeb   5 months ago

            It definitely is. It has been studied a lot in Scandinavia, where it is commonly used and as far as I've seen they have found no strong link with oral cancers. It also doesn't make you salivate excessively, so no gross spitting is necessary.

        2. mad.casual   5 months ago

          Yeah, my understanding is that it's very much like meat. The problem isn't so much meat, the problem is curing and/or combustion.

  17. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    That Newsome order suspending permitting requirements for the fires was all bullshit.

    LA Public Health
    @lapublichealth
    The Health Officer issued an order prohibiting cleanup or removal of fire debris at fire damaged and burned properties located in Critical Fire Areas until a hazardous materials inspection is completed by an approved government agency.

    1. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      They just added ten years to the cleanup.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      It's almost like politicians say one thing for the media and sheeple, and another for minions to enforce.

    3. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

      Burned wood isn’t a hazardous material.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

        How about the burnt out electric car in the driveway?

        1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

          It’s still burning!

        2. mad.casual   5 months ago

          Just really popular!

      2. Zeb   5 months ago

        Well, houses are made of a lot of other stuff too. And according to the state of California, burned wood probably is a hazerdous material (like pretty much everything else if mandated warnings on product packaging is to be believed).

  18. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    CNN is tucked in defamation trial. Clowning themselves.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2025/01/16/your-credibility-with-me-is-about-none-cnn-trial-goes-from-bad-to-worse/

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Their defense team is screwing up big time. They must have thought that they were arguing in font of one of their own like Merchan or Engoron.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   5 months ago

        Every time I think that attorneys have to be smart to get that far, they do things like this that bring me back to reality.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      Lying all day on air to yourself and the hivemind audience doesn't help you craft well constructed arguments? Who'd have figured.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        But they hired J-school grads and humanities majors from only elite colleges!

    3. Minadin   5 months ago

      CNN was just found liable for $5m.

      https://nypost.com/2025/01/17/media/cnn-must-pay-5m-for-defaming-navy-veteran-during-bidens-afghanistan-fiasco/

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

        Alex Jones - $1.5B to Sandy Hook parents
        Fox News - $787M to Dominion
        Rudy Giuliani - $148M to 2 election workers
        Donald Trump - $83.3M to Carroll

        CNN - $5M to Navy veteran
        ABC News - $15M to Donald Trump

        Seems like political affiliation has a profound effect on defamation and false claim awards. Sounds like lawfare to me.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

          North America as a whole needs to create some sort of judicial accountability. Far too many judges are out of control lunatics.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Nevertheless, the Biden administration said it won't seek to enforce the new law on its last day in office.

    Yet another threat to democracy allowed to fester!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Does it matter? All the Superior People told us democracy ends forever on Jan 20, no matter what.

  20. Sandra (formerly OBL)   5 months ago

    "The FDA has banned Red Dye No. 3."

    Red M&M's cause cancer!!!!!!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      What doesn't (in California)?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        And that includes California.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    On Wednesday, the White House produced harsh reductions in the amount of nicotine that would be allowed in conventional cigarettes.

    Some joke about the permissible amount of crack found in crack pipes. I don't know, you figure it out.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Limits on acceptable amounts of parmesan cheese remain high.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      The baking soda to cocaine ration must be no more than 2 to 1!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Stop buying your blow in the bus station men's room.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

          I'll have you know my blow comes right off the boat, produced organically by indigenous artisans and is fair trade certified.

          We were talking crack.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            My bad. But now I am curious. Can you cut cocaine content in crack with baking soda? Asking for a soon to be unemployed family member of a political brand family.

            1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

              Baking soda (sodium bicarb) is used to turn cocaine into crack. The baking soda strips the HCl from the cocaine HCl (powder cocaine) to turn it into a cocaine base, which is then easily smoked (by Hunter Biden).

            2. tracerv   5 months ago

              Baby laxative.

              I had a friend who always says he just had to think about blow and would have to take a shit.

  22. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Virginia democrats are trying to ban homeschooling.

    https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/16/virginia-democrat-bill-would-ban-homeschooling-unless-parents-prove-its-for-religious-reasons/

    1. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      Nacho kids!

      I remember California trying this years ago. Something about requiring a teaching degree to homeschool. No idea what happened with that particular legislation.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      "Yeah, it's for religious reasons. You guys are bunch of demonic, witchcraft-worshipping freaks."

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Be fair. Without state K-12 schools (and higher ed), where will the next generation of Democrats come from?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        They sure as hell aren’t born as they tend to abort instead.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        "I pledge allegiance to the queers."

      3. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        Welfare recipients?

    4. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Does "Public Schooling is a religious cult to which I don't subscribe." count as a religious reason?

      I covered this. Sending your kids to public school has always been an act of faith and, for a while, schools in places like FL and VA were openly talking about abducting your kids and brainwashing them into being virgin sacrifices. And once people started pointing out publicly, they didn't "Oh shit! We didn't see it that way. You're right, that's fucked up. Sorry." They "Alright, we'll stop." and then turned around and said "OK kids, we don't talk to your parents about any of this from now on." to their classes.

      The ATF burned the Mount Caramel Center in Waco to the ground for less.

  23. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    In NC, the GOP candidate fornstate supreme court was up 10k votes before a slow trickle of out of state (voters who have never lived in NC) and out of country (never proved who they were) came in to put the democrat in the lead by 700 votes.

    NC election laws require verification of the voter. The 5000 out of country votes never met that requirement. Dem run election board waived the requirement despite state law requiring it.

    NC supreme Court is going to rule on the issue.

    https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/15/nc-supreme-court-candidate-more-than-5k-overseas-ballots-with-no-voter-id-were-counted-illegally/

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Isn't challenging this kind of thing in court insurrection? Let's ask University of CNN law professor, Sarcasmic.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Election officials did say everything was good. So probably insurrection indeed.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Challenging Democrats? Insurrection!

          Bailiff, next case.

  24. Minadin   5 months ago

    "A list of the people who voted YES on the Tiktok ban, who coincidently still use Tiktok."

    What do those people all have in common?

    1. mad.casual   5 months ago

      Jo Jorgensen following them on TikTok... apparently.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Was J.D. Vance wrong about Jo Jorgensen?

        1. mad.casual   5 months ago

          Our final Jeopardy Category is: TikTok
          And the answer is: Cory Booker, Sen. Sherrod Brown, Bob Casey, John Fetterman, Sen. Gillibrand, Sen. Markey, Patty Murray, Sen Ossoff, Senator Warnock, and Jeff Jackson

          mad.casual, for $22K: Who are 10 people that, until this minute, I didn't even know were on Tiktok?

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'On Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the marketing of 20 Zyn nicotine pouch products, allowing them to be legally sold by tobacco retailers nationwide (barring any additional state and local restrictions).'

    Does that include menthol flavors?

  26. But SkyNet is a Private Company   5 months ago

    SCOTUS Upholds TikTok ban.

    ‘‘Twas the correct decision, 1A does not apply as there is no editorial output by TikTok and no content based restriction.

    It’s a thinly disguised espionage tool to blackmail the next generation

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'A pouch (and a glass of wine) helped me complete this newsletter on time (and in good spirits) for the morning editor.'

    Breakfast of libertarian champions!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      But I thought The One True Libertarian downed a full bottle of everclear in the morning.

    2. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

      Wonder if he also eats with a pouch of that shit in his mouth.

  28. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

    CA governmental agents are the TOP!
    We have a governor who looks into an empty reservoir and says "it's full!", spends millions "Trump proofing" the state by taking money from fire-fighters.
    An LA mayor who took terrorism lessons in Cuba, flew to Ghana when it seemed the weather might be a bit dangerous.
    And now an Oakland mayor with a bit of a problem:
    "Former Oakland mayor reportedly indicted following FBI corruption probe"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-oakland-mayor-reportedly-indicted-following-fbi-corruption-probe/ar-AA1xl6sy?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Guess which foreign countries were helping her campaign.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      You know who else is a top?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        Jeffy to Sarc?

  29. Nobartium   5 months ago

    And as predicted by me, SCOTUS tossed TikTok out on foreign companies not having any first amendment rights.

    Thank God it was unanimous.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      They actually seem to be setting themselves up for a fight with Silicon Valley who have in the past defended against regulation against censorship by states under claims algorithms are their speech.

    2. Zeb   5 months ago

      That's pretty bad if that was their reasoning. The first amendment says nothing about who has speech rights. It is about what congress is not allowed to do. Congress can't make any law restricting freedom of speech or press, period. The source doesn't matter.
      And I say this as someone who would rather Ticktock didn't exist and believes it is probably a Chinese plot to destabilize American society.

      1. Zeb   5 months ago

        Looks like it was more based on a narrow national security exception (which I don't see in the 1st amendment). Which is at least less bad than poking bigger holes in "congress shall make no law....".

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

          someone who would rather Ticktock didn't exist and believes it is probably a Chinese plot to destabilize American society.

          The Chinese replacement product for TicTok is marketed as Rednote but the literal translation of the Chinese moniker is Little Red Book (the affection title given to the collected writings of Mao Tse Tung, the leader of the Communist Revolution).

          They are not just plotting to destabilize America, they are mocking those of us who know it.

        2. mad.casual   5 months ago

          Except yours is the selectively one-sided interpretation of the abstract social constructs known as borders. Not "My mask protects you, your mask protects me." or even "My mask protects you and me." but "The door to the cell keeps me in is the door that lets you come and go as you please."

          The SCOTUS decision reins in the Chinese ability to act as a State actor under the American guise of free speech *and* limits Congressional authority to US soil.

          Keep in mind, COPPA means that Domestic US companies have to ensure their users are over the age of 13 or aren't being tracked. Foreign companies are not obligated to abide this law.

          Per ENB, Disney, etc.'s own idiocy- they're entirely free to sexualize Canadian or European children or start a colony in Guatemala and sexualize children there beyond the reach of Congress. But here, Congress as representatives of the people, regard it as a predatory sex act, not free speech.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Prior courts have held the constitution doesn't expand past the borders.

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          Congress is inside the borders. The free speech part of the 1st is a restriction on what congress can do, not a declaration of who has what rights. And the courts have made a lot of bad constitutional rulings.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

            the courts have made a lot of bad constitutional rulings.

            But foreign nationals have no standing to protest a law as unconstitutional and judges cannot rule without the matter being brought before them. That sounds like a feature, not a bug.

  30. Jerry B.   5 months ago

    “Trump is ready to bypass Congress on the border and tariffs, reports The Wall Street Journal. Let's hope he doesn't think of a third thing to abuse his executive authority over.”

    Like student loan forgiveness or declaring the Equal Rights Amendment valid, perhaps?

  31. Incunabulum   5 months ago

    >Any of the guilt I felt about the illegality of the purchase

    I thought you were a fucking libertarian;)

  32. Use the Schwartz   5 months ago

    Clutch Sticker

    Damn Straight.

  33. MK Ultra   5 months ago

    I've never been much of a Clutch fan, but this is amusing. Especially so, if you've ever heard someone from Balmer, Merlin say that they are 'Going downee ocean, hon.'

    https://youtu.be/SOTrHrGSeNM?si=Uz_ry_gXwdpSR0Rl

    1. Dillinger   5 months ago

      hey that was fun.

    2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

      To hell with the Chesapeake crabs. There's snakeheads in there now. Ten times the taste, 100 times the meat, 1000 times the fun. Can't wait for spring!

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        To hell with you, I'm living in an Essex Wonderland eating Crabs for Christmas.

        1. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

          Really? Essex? I lived in Essex for a few years. I still fish there all the time.

        2. MK Ultra   5 months ago

          For the Charm City folks - https://youtu.be/uJE76emOeBM?si=fkNeY4EXJ1vlUY8u

          1. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

            Nice!

  34. Dillinger   5 months ago

    I'll try to go all day without making fun of the jelly jar and ... nicotine pouches is that what zyn is? is there a correlative 4:20 for zyn?

    1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

      My boss yesterday was telling me about Zyn. I asked the exact same question to him as well, if there was a 420 version.

    2. Zeb   5 months ago

      Gummies?

      1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

        Gummies take a long time to affect you, as they are digested in the stomach and intestines. Zyn, or any type of dip or pouches, is absorbed by the membranes in the gums and cheeks, so it has a much faster onset.

        1. Zeb   5 months ago

          I think that's mostly down to the differences in how THC and nicotine are absorbed and metabolized. Since THC is not water soluble, it's not going to absorb directly and quickly trough mucous membranes like nicotine does.

          1. Dillinger   5 months ago

            >>it's not going to absorb directly

            didn't think about that. in my nicotine days it was skoal or copenhagen and pouches were for women

            1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

              I dipped when in the Army, but gave it up when I got out. For me nothing beat Grizzly wintergreen (long cut). We looked at Skoal, as well as pouches, as for women.

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    Breaking news:

    Biden Says Equal Rights Amendment Is the ‘Law of the Land’

    You go, girl, er, Doctor Jill!

  36. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>Let's hope he doesn't think of a third thing to abuse his executive authority over.

    lol if he does get to three he'll only be about 794 short of the last guys' abuses

  37. JFree   5 months ago

    So do any of you Trumpbots know whether Trump shared a quote from Jeffrey Sachs critical of Netanyahu on his Truth Social?

    1. JFree   5 months ago

      Here's the news article - from Jerusalem Post about a week ago that asserts that. But if what they are saying is true, there's a whole nother story about what Trump is doing re the ceasefire.

  38. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

    Hey, JewFree, have you shared any quotes about Netanyahu eating Palestinian babies recently? Go fuck yourself.

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