We Could Use a Man Like Grover Cleveland Again
The last president to serve two non-consecutive terms stood against imperialism. Donald Trump could learn from his example.

On January 20, 2025, Donald Trump will join Grover Cleveland as one of only two American presidents to serve nonconsecutive terms. Like Cleveland, Trump won his second election due largely to the fact that his predecessor presided over a poor economy. But Trump does not seem to recognize this, treating his victory as a sweeping mandate to impose a wide range of nationalist policies.
Unfortunately for opponents of both imperialism and the military-industrial complex, these policies include a spirit of outright acquisitiveness for other sovereign lands. This is why Cleveland's career is especially relevant today.
Trump says that America should own Greenland as an "absolute necessity," even though its more than 50,000 residents have given no indication of wanting to be under American sovereignty. He similarly lusts over the Panama Canal, which Panama is no more likely to cede to full American control than Denmark is to peacefully relinquish Greenland. Even closer to home, he's made comments about making Canada America's 51st state.
Even if Trump utterly fails in these geopolitical gambits, the fact that he is trying in the first place shows his hand. In his second term, Trump plans on using his executive powers to expand America's global empire. By contrast, Cleveland spent his second term trying to roll back America's then-nascent imperialist ambitions—and did so without flinching when genuine strength in our foreign policy was needed.
The standout story from Cleveland's presidency involves Hawaii. When he returned to office in 1893, Cleveland was greeted with a treaty that had been presented to the Senate for the annexation of Hawaii. Newspapers across the land waxed poetic about how the American flag would soon wave in the Hawaiian breeze, but few journalists questioned the official story about how this land had come into our possession. They were told the Hawaiian natives had willingly betrayed their own monarch, Queen Liliuokalani, by replacing her rule with that of white foreigners (mostly Americans).
Cleveland suspected there was more to it. He knew that sugar plantation owners and other wealthy business interests were suspicious of Liliuokalani, who wanted to reduce foreign influence in her country. Once those Americans learned she was planning concrete policies toward achieving this goal, American jurist Sanford Dole and U.S. Minister to Hawaii John Stevens led a conspiracy to dethrone her. By the time Cleveland took office, they had succeeded in doing so (with the unwitting aid of American locals who believed they had support from Washington) and were only awaiting the Senate's ratification of an annexation treaty to consummate their plot.
Cleveland rebuffed the conspirators. First, he appointed former Rep. James H. Blount (D–Ga.) to visit the islands and investigate the coup. After Blount confirmed Cleveland's hunch—that the queen had been overthrown through violence and against the will of the Hawaiian natives—the president sent emissaries to Hawaii saying they would help her regain power as long as she promised to neither execute nor otherwise excessively punish the Americans who had ruled since she was deposed. Cleveland insisted upon these points at the urging of Secretary of State Richard Olney, who pointed out that America still had an obligation to protect the rights of citizens who had acted according to plans they had been led to believe were fully condoned by their own government.
While Liliuokalani was grateful to Cleveland for his support, she informed his emissaries that she had to follow Hawaiian customs. In cases of treason, the traditional laws were clear: The guilty parties had to be executed, and everyone connected with them would have all of their property confiscated.
Because Liliuokalani took this stand, the next four years of Cleveland's presidency turned into a stalemate. Despite eventually relenting in aspects of her hardline position, Liliuokalani nevertheless held firm that she could not be restored to power without inflicting some measure of punishment on the Americans who currently resided in her domain. As a strict constitutionalist, Cleveland referred the entire matter to Congress for resolution. This caused the matter to languish without resolution until 1897, when Cleveland's second term ended. His successor, William McKinley, did not share his qualms about annexing Hawaii, and before the end of the 19th century, the deed was done.
This was not the only occasion when Cleveland stood up to American imperialism. When the final Cuban insurrection against the Spanish empire broke out in 1895, millions of Americans—whipped up by newspapers—clamored for America to simultaneously liberate its neighbor and flex its military muscles. Cleveland did not yield to these calls, displaying a strength of character that his successor lacked. Just as McKinley relented to the annexationists and acquired Hawaii, he folded to the imperialists and in 1898 launched America into the Spanish-American War despite his reservations. Most foreign policy historians regard McKinley's decision to start the Spanish-American War to be the beginning of America's status as a modern world power.
Cleveland never wanted America to become a global power, but that does not mean he was weak. When the British Empire threatened to bully Venezuela into accepting an unfair resolution of a boundary dispute in 1895, Cleveland reminded the British that such actions would violate America's Monroe Doctrine. Declared in 1823, the Monroe Doctrine asserted that the United States would not peacefully submit to any nation in our hemisphere having its territorial integrity violated by outsiders, therefore considering an attack on any Western Hemisphere country to be an attack on all of them. Cleveland was ultimately successful in pressuring Britain to agree to peaceful arbitration with a warning—one America should bear in mind, especially in light of rumors that Trump will abandon our alliance with Ukraine to curry favor with Russia's imperialist president, Vladimir Putin. As Cleveland stated in his annual address to Congress:
"There is no calamity which a great nation can invite which equals that which follows a supine submission to wrong and injustice and the consequent loss of national self-respect and honor, beneath which are shielded and defended a people's safety and greatness."
This was not the only time when Cleveland defied a powerful empire to protect American values. At the beginning of his first term, the Austro-Hungarian empire refused to accept Cleveland's appointed ambassador, Anthony M. Keiley, because his wife was Jewish and therefore was considered socially unacceptable among the Viennese upper crust. Instead of acceding to Austro-Hungary's request that he appoint two gentiles in Keiley's stead, Cleveland left the post vacant through his entire first term, explaining in his 1885 State of the Union message that he refused to agree to "an application of a religious test as a qualification for office under the United States as would have resulted in the practical disfranchisement of a large class of our citizens and the abandonment of a vital principle in our Government."
There is a crucial difference between showing strength over matters of principle and abusing that same strength for self-glorification. Cleveland demonstrated a wise and discerning ability to recognize this difference, being strong when matters of principle were genuinely involved and otherwise deferring to the rights of other countries. He did this both because he believed the laws that govern individual relations should be extrapolated on the international level and because, on a deeper level, he was suspicious of geopolitical greed.
This is why, as Americans and the rest of the world prepare for Trump's geopolitical aspirations, we should think of Cleveland's wisdom. He best articulated it when rejecting the Hawaiian annexation treaty:
"I suppose that right and justice should determine the path to be followed in treating this subject," Cleveland said. "If national honesty is to be disregarded and a desire for territorial extension or dissatisfaction with a form of government not our own ought to regulate our conduct, I have entirely misapprehended the mission and character of our Government and the behavior which the conscience of our people demands of their public servants."
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Remember that we're supposed to ignore what Trump says and instead look at his first term, except when we're supposed to do the opposite.
Poor sarc.
He is so rarely here that he has started spiraling again. I worry for whats left of his liver.
Sarc, if your TDS lasts longer than four years, you may require medical treatment.
It's been 9 years already....
Boring.
“Trump will abandon our alliance with Ukraine to curry favor with …Putin”
Ending a forever war, far from our borders, that does not directly affect us, is a great idea.
Again, you did it again, Who is 'we"
To help you I will elminate some for you:Trump won 77,284,118 votes
Unfortunately for opponents of both imperialism and the military-industrial complex, these policies include a spirit of outright acquisitiveness for other sovereign lands. This is why Cleveland's career is especially relevant today.
*facepalm*
Let me guess, you've written for MSNBC.
From the bio:
" . . . and exclusively at Salon since 2016."
Dear God, another one - - - - - - - -
Fvck this "libertarian" rag
More detail:
"His work has also appeared in the Daily Dot, MSNBC, MSN, Yahoo, The Good Men Project and Mic."
Absolutely another one.
Saw that. KMW isn't even pretending to curate libertarian content.
KMW is exactly a libertarian. She's more of a libertine.
Good God, skipped right over that. What else happened in both 2016 and 2024?
Juist as I thought.
Oh DO go on about Imperialism, Mr. Rozsa!
You fucking dare lecture us about imperialism? You... fucking dare.
He sounds as intelligent as sarc. Has Rozsa taken an online test and is a one true libertarian?
All of these articles come from a publication called The Good Men Project which has the overwhelming stench of "male feminism". And we all know what that means when Rosza enters the room: Cover your drinks, ladies.
I bet he was a founding member (ha ha) of White Dudes For Harris.
I see his detractors as obviously wrong though it is open as to how wrong he is.
Really, that is the lowest point in a debate, when someone can't even muster a thought or reply except "This comes from a publication called X"-- next, you hear the buzzer and your asss is out in the cold and your debate days are finished.:)
Identifying a source is a common practice in debate. It is not an argument from authority you seem to think it is.
"Epic struggle for women's rights"??
What rights exactly were women lacking in the US in 2016?
Men playing on their sports teams.
All of them if Trump wins the election!
You both assume that to a woman the highest identification she has is gender. WRong in most cases . It is their religion , or their family, or their politica stripe.
Do you think of the women who make up about 30% of the homeless populationthink that their homeless male friend is not homeless because he is male and she is becuase she is female.
What moron would even indulge such useless speculation 🙂
Who it is that doesnt actually realize what happened with the election may (or may not) surprise you, dear reader
Dude, he's just fucking with you.
TDS is still a bitch.
As a strict constitutionalist, Cleveland referred the entire matter to Congress for resolution.
That is not because of constitutional restrictions. It is because 'non-interventionists' often abdicate the field to 'interventionists' by kicking the can. Nonintervention is really a useless meaningless term - invented only because the term 'isolationist' now carries baggage.
Walter Russell Mead described a better approach to 'pigeonholing' school of thought among Americans re foreign policy. There are four schools of thought. They aren't right or wrong. They are merely different influences. American foreign policy works when all four are included in the decision-making. Fails when one or more is missing. Unfortunately his book was ignored because it was scheduled for publication on 9/11 (and was then delayed but not by enough for him to include that event in the book). He called them:
Jeffersonian - broadly what would call 'noninterventionist' - focus on domestic governance. But unlike most, he says this school is the BEST group to gather/interpret foreign events precisely because it has the least conflict of interest.
Hamiltonian - foreign policy for the purpose of advancing business interests - re Hawaii, these were the folks who led the overthrow (and owned congresscritters)
Wilsonian - foreign policy for the purpose of advancing values/ideas of the US - re Hawaii, these were the missionary interests
Jacksonian - strong military orientation and generally populist and xenophobic and isolationist. Noninterventionist if there is no war/entanglement - but if war/entanglement is already happening, then intervene by whatever means necessary to win. This is Trump and esp Trump's base. re Hawaii, the coup had already happened so there is no 'alliance of interests' between Jeffersonians and Jacksonians - so nonintervention is no longer practical.
"There is a crucial difference between showing strength over matters of principle and abusing that same strength for self-glorification."
There certainly is a difference here, but I defy anyone to clearly define how to determine what matters of principle require a show of national strength. There is no doubt in my mind that Ukraine is right and Putin is wrong over their invasion by Russia. Whether showing strength as a matter of principle implies a willingness to go to war with Russia over their invasion of Ukraine should be a question not lightly decided, and certainly NOT using advice by Grover Cleveland from over a hundred years ago!
Is it only Donald Trump that could learn from Cleveland - because he's a non-consecutive two-term President?
Biden couldn't? Obama couldn't? Trump couldn't during his first term?
>Trump won his second election due largely to the fact that his predecessor presided over a poor economy. But Trump does not seem to recognize this, treating his victory as a sweeping mandate to impose a wide range of nationalist policies.
HOOO BOOOOY - stop huffing the copium.
Trump won a massive EC victory and even did what few GOP candidates have ever done - won the popular vote.
Not *just* because of a poor economy, but because his predecessor felt *he* had a mandate to impose a whole bunch of sweeping changes to the United States. Trump is, largely, just pushing those back. And he got elected by such a wide margin because that is what a *majority of the US* wants.
Elections have consequences.
You weren't concerned about the sweeping changes Biden was doing after barely squeaking in a win.
That was one of the first things I saw, but not stupid enough to post on. In hindsight, the complete lack of mentioning wokism, energy, student loans, and senility should have set off alarm bells.
Math is hard.
A majority of votes does not equal "a *majority of the US*."
Voter participation was about 65%. Trump won just over 50% of the votes cast. That means that one third, approximately, of eligible voters elected Trump. Factor in the swaths of voting age Americans that have been disenfranchised and the fraction of Americans that voted for Trump gets even smaller.
No. The election does not reflect what "*a majority of the US* wants."
Turnout was 63.9%. Trump received 49.8% of votes cast, so he won over 31.8% of eligible voters. For Harris the numbers were 48.3% and 30.8%.
So it's actually a little less than one in three.
Hardly a sweeping mandate, though that won't stop him from saying it is and his defenders from attacking anyone who says otherwise.
Poor sarc. The next four years are gonna be rough on you.
If you're going to go to the lengths of multiplying the popular vote percentage by the voter participation rate, then (almost) no American president reflects what "a majority of the US wants." This makes your whole exercise futile as it would apply to even presidents that won a landslide in the popular vote, including Reagan and Obama.
> This makes your whole exercise futile as it would apply to even presidents that won a landslide in the popular vote, including Reagan and Obama.
Since my exercise was entirely to demonstrate that the assertion that Trump is "what a *majority of the US* wants" is utterly false, there is nothing futile about it. Though sarcasmic provided more specific and damning numbers, my rebuttal still stands. Less than 1/3 of Americans (only counting voting age) voted for Trump. Therefore, Trump's election does not represent what "a *majority of the US* wants."
Your data points, however, are valid and substantiate a related conclusion; our electoral process is not democratic. Also related, democracy is a logical fallacy: argumentum ad populum.
The illusion of "democracy" and the delusion of "the will of the people" (as expressed by "what a *majority of the US* wants" remarks) need to be squashed forthwith.
Fair enough.
Or as sarcasmic would say: Aye
It does not NECESSARILY reflect what the majority of the US wants. But it might. No one actually knows what the people who did not vote in the recent presidential election want. If you claim to know that, advise what you know and how you know it.
>Trump plans on using his executive powers to expand America's global empire.
Wasn't Biden keen on expanding the NATO empire?
I call "whataboutism" - Reason was not shy about criticizing Biden's policies, or at least his custodial committee's policies.
Reason was not shy about criticizing Biden's policies
Don't contradict the narrative.
What narrative? The voices inside your head?
>Cleveland never wanted America to become a global power, but that does not mean he was weak.
Thing is bro, that was then. Back then you could be isolationist because it took a long time to get anywhere. Today everyone is, literally, on our doorstep. Its a day's travel to the other side of the world.
*IN ADDITION* - you're a globalist. You believe in an interconnected world with no borders but simultaneously that the US should not involve itself in the business of other countries - only that they should be involved in ours.
An interconnected world with no borders is a fact, not a belief. What policies you try to enforce in response to that fact is open to discussion, but it's not a question of believing in the fact or not believing in it.
We do not live in an interconnected world with NO borders. You can claim borders aren't as strong as has been the case in the past, but borders do exist. Try walking across the DMZ to North Korea. I bet they care about their border, as just one example.
I didn't mean that literally. You can draw a line anywhere you like and declare it to be a border. You can say, "We will try to enforce our laws inside these lines but not outside these lines" and it means something, whether you are successful or not. But in the modern world you can tunnel under the line, fly over the line, smuggle yourself in a container across the line with some machine parts, and completely evade the law enforcers indefinitely with a high rate of success. Don't you think our policies should take facts into account? Or do you prefer the delusion that the lines you draw are mostly magical mystical activities?
There is a difference between saying it's not hard to cross the US border illegally, to saying because of that we shouldn't even attempt to enforce our border.
It's similar to the argument that you won't catch all murderers (in fact most murders currently go unsolved in the US), so we shouldn't try to catch any murderers.
If anyone is looking for further proof of the Leftbertarianism of Reason, look no further than "exclusively at Salon". Holy tone deaf KMW.
Sorry, bud, this sentence computes does not.
A strict constitutionalist would have (1) not interfered in a foreign country, (2) would not have thought he was legally obligated to defend Americans who interfered in a foreign country "with the best of intentions", and (3) would not have wimped out by dumping the problem in Congress's lap.
Grover Cleveland had some good policies, but by no means all of them, and in the end was just another politician. If you're going to base his reputation on this, you must not think much of the rest of his career.
Here are three counter-examples.
* He started the modernization of the US Navy as an imperialist expansionist offensive arm. There were (and still are) no nations that can invade the US from the ocean. It was this modern steel navy which enabled McKinley and Wilson to start imperialist wars.
* He implemented the Civil Service, the direct enabler of expanding the bureaucratic deep state, ceding control of the executive branch to career bureaucrats whose only interest is expanding their bureaucracy.
* He approved creation of the Interstate Commerce Commission, a Progressive milestone, at the behest of the railroad tycoons who wanted to stop upstarts from outcompeting them. It took 90 years to get rid of it, and it nearly strangled railroads and truckers before it was finally abolished by the late lamented Jimmy Carter.
Your own later quote undermines your own narrative.
What Constitutional authority allowed enforcing the Monroe Doctrine? It wasn't even an executive order, let alone passed by Congress, merely announced during a speech. Isn't Congress the one that has to declare war? Surely any war fought to kick European countries out of other Western Hemisphere countries was not an attack on the US requiring self-defense.
And this? Oh, bullshit!
Lay it on a little thicker, tell us how much you hate Trump.
Judging by the Grover Cleveland examples, you'd rather he behave more like Biden than himself.
* Bureaucrats — check.
* Interfere in foreign countries — check.
* Hypocrite — check.
Actually, we need a man like Calvin Coolidge.
When the market went into a tail spin, he did what exactly what was needed...nothing, and sure enough, the market corrected itself unlike Hoover and FDR meddling interference only made the economy worse.
Actually, that was Harding, if you mean the 1919-1920 recession. But yes, I'd give almost anything to get someone as minimalist as Calvin Coolidge again.
especially in light of rumors that Trump will abandon our alliance with Ukraine to curry favor with Russia's imperialist president, Vladimir Putin
HAHAHAHAHAhahahahha....heeeh!
Oh, wait, you aren't kidding?
Yeah that one got me too. Sullum takes a day off and they bring in this asshole to fill the void?
Gotta keep the TDS fires burning somehow.
Fire KMW.
Get the HELL out of DC (to paraphrase Matt Welch)
Embrace individualism in every single article. Pragmatism is fine, but pragmatism qua pragmatism, without any principles, makes the article just one of thousands published the same day saying the same thing. The only thing which used to set Reason apart from all those other sites and blogs and magazines was individualist principles. The Libertarian Party has lost them, so has this rag.
Fire KMW
Get the HELL out of DC.
Recover some principled backbone.
I certainly wouldn't shed any tears at KMW getting the axe, but I don't know if it would change much as long as Reason is beholden to Charles Koch.
Ugh.
The quality of rhetoric hear is diminishing quickly.
Trump isn't trying anything yet. He's just talking shit at the moment.
... damnit. Missed the edit button. Here I am complaining about the quality of the rhetoric and I use "hear" instead of "here."
Need more coffee.
Hear hear!
Har har!
Her her!
“All in the Family” theme song
, “Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again!”
Paul Johnson rates Garfield highly but really goes for Harding and Coolidge. We need their restraint and love of the Founders. That is what we need.
Harding coined the the term Founding Fathers !!
Warren G. Harding often spoke highly of the Founding Fathers, frequently referencing their ideals and principles as a guiding light for the nation, particularly emphasizing the importance of "normalcy" and stability which he believed aligned with the Founders' vision for America.
Embarrassing.
De-Regulation and Tax-Cuts is "sweeping mandate to impose a wide range of nationalist policies"??
Remember all that territory the USA gained during the 1st Term?
Yeah; Me neither. Keep using that TDS stained imagination to dream-up more TDS complaints on imaginary things Trump is going to do.
Hey, Denmark sold a s the Virgin Islands.
"Most foreign policy historians regard McKinley's decision to start the Spanish-American War to be the beginning of America's status as a modern world power."
One contemporary, sociologist William Graham Sumner, saw that at the time. See his speech ""The Conquest of the United States by Spain".