Trump's January 6 Pardons Could Address Some Real Injustices
The president-elect makes valid points in highlighting potential abuses of prosecutorial power.

On his first day in office, President-elect Donald Trump promises, he will pardon at least some of the 1,500 or so people who have been charged with crimes in connection with the riot at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. He notes that most of those defendants were not violent and that they faced a lot of pressure to plead guilty, as about 1,000 have done so far.
Trump's most vociferous critics are apt to view any pardons in these cases as an outrageous and self-interested attempt to excuse the behavior of "insurrectionists" who sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. But even though Trump himself is largely to blame for the riot, which was inspired by his unfounded insistence that Joe Biden had stolen the election, he raises some valid points about prosecutorial power, which can lead to unjust results that might be remedied by the prudent use of presidential clemency.
As of November 6, the Justice Department reports, about 590 people had been charged with "assaulting, resisting, or impeding law enforcement agents or officers or obstructing those officers" during the riot. They included 169 defendants "charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer."
More than 300 defendants had pleaded guilty to felonies, while 661 had pleaded guilty "only to misdemeanors." Defendants who pleaded not guilty, by contrast, typically have been convicted of felonies.
Prosecutors had a bunch of potential charges to choose from, including misdemeanors such as demonstrating inside the Capitol, "disorderly or disruptive conduct," and entering or remaining in a restricted building without authorization. The sentences in such cases ranged from probation to short jail terms.
Even defendants who received relatively light sentences may have grounds to complain that the charges they faced were not deployed consistently. According to a recent report from the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General, four FBI informants "entered the Capitol during the riot," while 13 "entered the restricted area around the Capitol."
None of those informants has faced prosecution. Although the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office claims that is consistent with its policy of "generally" not charging protesters who did not enter the Capitol itself, that does not explain why the four informants who admittedly entered the building got off scot-free.
The potential felony charges in the Capitol riot cases, which carry much more severe penalties, included violent crimes such as assaulting police officers. But they also included offenses that were not necessarily violent, such as obstructing "an official proceeding," which is punishable by up to 20 years in prison under 18 USC 1512(c)(2).
Given the possibility of such charges, Trump said on Meet the Press this month, defendants who pleaded guilty "had no choice." Because prosecutors can severely penalize defendants who insist on a trial, he added, the criminal justice system is "very corrupt" and "very nasty."
The Section 1512 charge, which figured in a quarter of the January 6 cases, illustrates that point. Although the Supreme Court ruled last June that the offense must involve attempts to conceal evidence, meaning it does not cover the conduct of the Capitol rioters, that seemingly important decision is expected to have little impact on the outcomes of these cases.
The Justice Department says "there are zero cases where a defendant was charged only for violating" Section 1512. And even in the 26 cases where defendants pleaded guilty to that charge alone, the agreements explicitly allow prosecutors to pursue other charges now that they can no longer rely on this statute.
When you combine that sort of discretion with the puzzling practice of imposing sentences after trial based on allegations that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, it is not hard to see why some January 6 defendants may have received excessively severe penalties. If Trump draws appropriate distinctions and uses his clemency powers carefully—a big if—he can mitigate those injustices.
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The problem is that none of the left wing protesters who storm congress ever seem to face any real charges.
What, the left wing protesters who all screamed "Hang Mike Pence"? WHY did Dear Leader The Donald AGREE with these left wing protesters?
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
You sure obsess over someone a lot more some asshole yapping than someone who planted a pipe bomb.
He can't be curious about the guy who planted the pipe bomb, because any successful investigation would lead to a FBI/DHS/CIA agent.
Yes, Trump IS an assholes who yaps a lot! Common assholes can yap all that they want to yap, ass far ass I care, so long ass they don't lie in court, etc. Butt when assholes who yap a lot have VAST political powers, THIS is a VASTLY different animal!
Also ye are engaging in senseless "twataboutism", which helps no one!
""Also ye are engaging in senseless "twataboutism", which helps no one!"'
Which is what you just did by mentioning Pence.
JeremyR says shit was LEFT wing protesters who stormed government buildings, when everyone (who has a single clue) knows that shit was RIGHT wing protesters who did this shit! Can ANY of the many-many right-wing wrong-nuts who post here EVER get around to saying that shit was WRONG for The Donald (among other times) to BLESS political violence in the form of "Hang Mike Pence"? Can YOU say "Yes, The Donald was WRONG for that"?
I bless neither right-wing nor left-wing political violence, not have I ever tried to excuse one in the name of the other!
"Hang Mike Pence" should hang like a dead albatross around the necks of right-wing wrong-nuts till such time ass they can renounce such support from The Donald, for political violence!
Oh, but twatabout Hillary? Hillary never blessed "Hang Mike Pence"!!! Twat about THAT? Shall I blame her for stuff she never said or did, so ass to avoid "twataboutism"?
Or rioters who set fire to a church as sqrsly and others laughed at forcing the president into the bunker.
When constituents identified as being sympathetic to a liberal or progressive cause do that, the media calls it "democracy in action."
It's their team, man.
I wonder how it is Trump won so big now when he lost just 4-years ago or how mail-in voting didn't swing 80% out of sink with in-person in some districts.
Nationally, there are about 3.1 Million fewer votes than in 2020, when cities bent over backward to make sure anyone, anywhere could trip over a ballot-box walking out of their door.
I thing it is absolutely within the realm of plausibility that those extraordinary COVID measures, supplemented by governments that spent 6 months locking people in their homes, resulted in less than 2% fewer voters in 2024.
Not to say there weren't shenanigans- the entire lockdown and million-dollar grants to cities was bullshit vote buying- but it all makes the occam's razor test.
I think Biden and Kamala inability to deliver normal accomplishments is what lost them votes. Not covid
Covids chicken little defends covid response. Nobody is shocked.
Encouraging people to vote is one thing. Reducing or eliminating signature checks and postage date requirements is quite another.
Years too late bootlicker.
Oh, he still blames Trump for everything in the article. Meely mouth article to try to save face.
Probably the weakest criticism of abuse of office by the DoJ I've ever seen. Best he could do despite 4 years late.
Weird they use a different title on x
"In promising to pardon at least some January 6 defendants, Trump makes valid points about potential abuses of prosecutorial power."
But even though Trump himself is largely to blame for the riot
Oh, fuck off, Sullum.
Oh come now! If there had been no Trump, or if he had not been a candidate, would any of those people have been protesting?
It's clearly all down to Trump.
And if the FBI hadn't been so determined to encourage the Proud Boys to do something they could be prosecuted for, there'd have been no plan to break in in the first place. It was driven at every step right up to the end by the FBI's informant/provocateurs.
Sounds a LOT like the plot to kidnap Whitmer. Had it not been for a dozen or so agents and informants pushing it in the first place, there wouldn't have been any such "conspiracy."
The evidence used against Tarrio for planning was a plan in pdf format an FBI CI sent to him. Prosecutor couldn't even prove he read it.
If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching Dinesh D'Souza's film Police State. It came out a year or two ago. He goes into how the FBI entraps people to commit crimes that the FBI designed, financed, and pushed people to do. But he criticizes both the Bush admin and the subsequent administrations for doing this. It's not a "Republicans good; Democrats bad" film, which is what I kinda expected going in, as D'Souza had been that way in the past.
What absolutely insane logic, lol
Yes, Sullum's logic is insane.
Sullum’s logic is partially why I chose the handle that I did.
I think you need to check your sarcasm detector.
It had nothing to do with agent provocatures the feds lied about, or the cops firing on the protesters.
That's probably the most egregious Sullum line in an otherwise half-decent article. Unfortunately, it does stand in direct contrast to what he has been saying for the last 4 years.
I mean, how did Trump even cause the riot?
He. Said. March. Peacefully. And. Petitioned. Courts.
Obviously those are inciteful words. Ask our little drunkard with TDS.
Which one?
Revisionist history is not history. While your fellow MAGA safe space revisionists in the comment section will not call you out; I will. We lived through his bullshit and our memories are not that short. It wasn't a simple speech and it wasn't always 'march peacefully.' It was about fighting or not having a country anymore. It was MONTHS of lies and gaslighting and truth social late night rants and stupid conspiracies about Hugo Chavez and voting machines and the Kraken and all the rest of the bullshit.
Trump needed the mass disturbance to pull off his soft coup (delay the certification long enough for state GOPs to try to recertify) but it didn't work. And now the same GOP people that condemned him on 1/6 for being responsible for the historical embarrassment which was 1/6 are bending over backwards to kiss his ass. We see them with wide open eyes.
Is that an excerpt from your shitty democrat fan fiction efforts? If so, you need a lot of work.
He said a lot of shit for months on end about the election being stolen!!1!1!1!!
(This is what some posters and writers here actually believe.)
If Trump draws appropriate distinctions
I think this line is 1000x worse. I don't care about Trumps culpability, that can be debated back and forth for the next decade but he'll still remain free. Sullum is suggesting that Trump should move slow and deliberately in his pardons to make sure only the right people get them. Having someone who by all accounts was only trespassing sit in jail for an extra hour then they should because someone else did something, is horrible and evil. No careful deliberation and moving slowly was the job of prosecution BEFORE they stuck someone in prison.
Yeah, at the very least the people who are only charged with being there and didn't break anything or fight with police should be pardoned immediately. Those people have already been punished too much.
But even though Trump himself is largely to blame for the riot...
I was making a sincere attempt to read a JS article, but then I had to stop there.
He is your Lucy.
In the sky, with diamonds.
same here i quit reading at that point
Sullum me once, shame on Reason. Sullum me a thousand times...
js:dr. All I need to know is here in the comments. But I'm seriously thinking about just ignoring the Sullum shit altogether. He doesn't even deserve the hit.
"When you combine that sort of discretion with the puzzling practice of imposing sentences after trial based on allegations that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt,"
Nothing puzzling about it. The lawyers in the legal system have been conspiring to render the jury system meaningless for over a hundred years now. Sentencing defendants on the basis of things the jury decided not to convict them of is just another step in rendering jury trials meaningless.
Does anyone remember the riots in front of the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland.
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/07/20/whats-happening-in-portland/
Were any of those rioters charged with obstructing an official proceeding?
Give me a nice round number as an estimate.
A better comparison would be these rioters, and no, they weren't charged with seditious conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645497667/the-resistance-at-the-kavanaugh-hearings-more-than-200-arrests
But unmarked white vans!
(I’d be willing to bet the FBI had assets in those and other riots as well.)
Everything that the Trumpists complain about wrt the J6 rioters - overcharging to get guilty pleas, poor prison conditions, etc. have been features of the US justice system for years if not decades.
But only now when it's your people do you give a shit.
BTW not charging informants is hardly a new thing. I suspect it's SOP nationwide.
But only now when it's your people do you give a shit.
Dude, haven't you ever heard it's better to be silent and thought the dullard than to put your foot in your mouth and remove all doubt?
Both Reason and the commentariat have been complaining about overcharging for years if not decades.
Dude, haven't you ever heard it's better to be silent and thought the dullard than to put your foot in your mouth and remove all doubt?
Oxford "educated" SRG2 is the poster child for this warning.
^^^ Another fuckwit has joined the chat.
You said something really retarded shrike. Deal with it.
Hi, fuckwit.
You never learn a goddamned during, do you Shrike?
Hey, fuckwit, take your own advice.
Reason certainly has complained - and about many other issues related to the justice system. Some of the commentariat here likewise, though generally sporadically at best, as we see whenever there's an article about police abuses. But I specifically referenced Trumpists, not honest conservatives.
"Other issues" while ignoring one of the worst abuses focused around politics dumbass. You're a fucking moron.
You're making up shit to defend your support of bad acts. Ie projecting. Like ever democrat here.
Have you tried not being a partisan cunt? That might help you not spout such fuckwit comments.
You must be new here. Oh, wait, you're not. You're just full of shit.
But only now when it's your people do you give a shit.
I know right, it isn't like Trump cared about criminal justice reform. He never signed the 1st Step Act!...
Oh wait he did. And if your view of criminal justice reforms only applies to those who agree with you, then your view of criminal justice reform is broken and will not work in a society that attempts to apply the law equally.
Fuck off shrike. We've always complained about it. You just justify it because they are your enemies. You're a statist piece of shit lol.
What the fuck are you talking about? Most of the commenters here have always criticized those practices.
You seem to have no problems with the overcharging of 1/6 protesters.
Looks like hypocrisy.
I am opposed to overcharging in general. I don't single out J6 as more victimised than anyone else overcharged. Apparently the failure to so do is hypocritical.
Except youve defended the use of law making it 20 years you lying piece of statist shit. Lol. You celebrated every Trump over charfe you statist piece of shit.
If only there were some left-wing protests from around the same time frame to compare them to, to check if the enforcement of the laws and the zeal to identify and prosecute the protestors was enforced equally, regardless of political affiliation.
Now that the Left's weapon is about to be taken from their control we see the champions of lawfare like Sullum demanding a return to sanity.
If Trump draws appropriate distinctions and uses his clemency powers carefully—a big if—he can mitigate those injustices.
Or maybe not be so careful and follow Blackstone's ratio. It's better to allow 10 guilty men free, then allow 1 innocent to suffer. It was the prosecutions job to apply the law justly. They didn't and if Trump now must err on the side of releasing the guilty to end the suffering of the innocent; I don't have a problem with it.
I'd be fine with him pardoning everyone except Ray Epps.
I do now want the inquiry going on in Congress to die, that's for sure. Last. I heard there was an admission, before Congress, that there were a significant number of "assets" in the crowd that day. Until we know how many, and the identities of any of them who provoked unlawful action, like EG Ray Epps, the investigation needs to continue.
The FBI being used to imprison political opponents is a gross obscenity, but it has clearly been used to do so, as in the Whitmer kidnapping case.
Ray Epps only got a misdemeanor anyway.
Notice no criticism from Sullim about the abuse of law or the resources used solely against J6. No criticism of over charging. Realty statements. Judges comments. Etc.
Sullum is remarkably a piece of shit.
Discussion on the use of resources to focus on J6.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/jan-6-select-committees-political-probe-diverted-resources-real
A steaming pile of TDS-addled shit, wouldn't you say?
Back in 2018 hundreds of people swarmed the Hart Senate Office Building (incited and cheered on by Sen Warren). Hundreds were arrested. What was their fate?
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A Capitol Police spokeswoman told TheWrap that 293 individuals were arrested for unlawfully demonstrating in the atrium of the Hart Senate Office Building. Another nine were arrested for “unlawful demonstration activities” on the fourth floor of the Dirksen Senate Office Building.
All were charged with “Crowding, Obstructing, or Incommoding” — and that presumably includes Schumer and Ratajkowski.
The spokeswoman said the individuals arrested were being processed on site and released, but she was unable to confirm the names of those arrested due to the large number of people being processed.
Arrestees will be charged a $50 fine for the misdemeanor offense, according to police.
I wonder if any of those fines were actually paid?
If you know or have the sympathy of the right people, such things can be fixed.
And sometimes you can even get the police to pay you.
Context matters.
So does mental acuity. Perhaps you can ask the Wizard for some assistance there.
Lol. Please do explain you statist piece of shit.
Context? Do you mean if it's left-wing protesters and rioters a $50 fine is extreme, but right-wing protesters and rioters got off easy with significant incarceration?
Does the context that the vast majority of people charged for J6 committed no violence or destruction of property matter?
Yesterday was an important day, legally speaking. The EC "met" and officially elected Trump (and Vance). Now, at least, if some Trump assassin succeeds, Vance officially would get the nod on Jan 20. Prior to the EC vote, that was not a guarantee.
Now we need to wait to see what noise Democrats will make on Jan 6 or if Harris will gavel the election certified and move forward.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled slimy pile of shit.
This still misses the point of pardons like this. It is Biden who should have pardoned Jan6 folks
It was Biden's DOJ prosecuting these people.
Well that's certainly one thing that would've changed with Biden pardoning them
Why Biden?
Can Trump also give J6ers a blanket pardon going back to 2000?
I'm actually gonna take the bet that he doesn't pardon anyone. Here's my reasoning:
Trump has never expressed any kind of concern, real or feigned, for people who have nothing to offer him. He does not care about correcting "injustices" (except those done directly to himself). The J6 rioters have nothing to offer him. They can't vote for him again. None of them are wealthy enough to offer him any money. He didn't care about them murdering his own vice president, you think he cares whether they rot in prison? It would be a remarkable change of personality for a man who has been extremely consistent about this for his entire life. He discards people as soon as they are useless to him. This was known well before he first ran for office in 2016. Nothing has changed.
In fact, they are actually worth (marginally) more to him in jail than out. If he pardons them, its one more chip he doesn't have to spend with the alt right. If they remain in jail, then people who truly care about getting them out are forced to go along with whatever he wants, because what are you going to do? The second Trump is out the door, the odds those people ever get pardoned drops to 0%.
You sir are clearly full of shit.
Probably the most idiotic thing posted in this thread so far.
It's naive of you to think that ANY politicians care about you. But they are expected to at least attempt to fulfill their campaign promises. This was one of his biggest, and will cost him almost no political capital. He will probably do it within the first few days.
As an aside, there are plenty of anecdotal instances of Trump being fairly generous with his time and money. Most of this just sounds like you being a whiney little faggot.
Why is Reason continuing to lie about this false flag event, which Pelosi planned and hundreds of FBI informers committed in order to prevent Vice President Pence from legitimately challenging the faked vote totals? It's probably because Soros has bought and paid for Reason's soul.
And to think, if Reason would only use this handy "Rosetta Stone" before going along with all these false flag events, we could have an actual libertarian magazine at our fingertips:
https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1868714070620168388
So it only took Reason 4 years to notice the federal government's assault on the basic civil rights of the election integrity protestors on January 6?
Actually, it took about 4 weeks. It follows a pattern of lip-service to libertarian principles that has emerged since their reluctant and strategic candidate got crushed.
You lost me at "unfounded insistence," Sully.
The orange baboon, gauche though he may be, had a point. There is NO WAY that any election involving ANY of the following elements should ever be considered "legitimate:"
* Ballots arriving long after election day and still being counted
* No voter ID
* No audit of the votes
* Destruction of cast ballots before the legally permissible time to do so (because then they can't be audited)
* Electronic tabulation machines with Internet connections
* State violating its own election laws (PA) on rule changes
* Poor security of polling places/tabulation centers
* Unsecured mail-in ballots and/or drop-boxes
* Massive, one-sided vote total shifts at 3 AM when all the poll watches have conveniently been sent home
* Unvetted/unverified ballot harvesting (ballot dropped off by someone other than the voter)
All that happened in 2024 is they shut down enough cheating to prevent the Presidency from being stolen (and were *permitted* to stop it, because corporate wants growth, and Kamala's policies were anti-growth). There was still plenty of cheating elsewhere, like the Senator for the Cartels from AZ or all the CA seats where counting stopped a month later JUST when it turned "D."
Fuck our election system, it's clearly rigged, lying bullshit. Always has been. Even MARK TWAIN said so over a hundred years ago... they wouldn't let you vote if it actually made a difference. Funnily enough, the gormless orange oaf is actually in some pretty good company on this one!!
I just can’t help but think that if we started executing democrats, eventually the problem would be gone. Or at least under control.
It’s worth a try,