I Tried Lab-Grown Salmon. Here's What It Tasted Like.
Cultivated meat is getting better and better. That's why states keep trying to ban it.

I've been a committed vegan for more than three years, but this week, I ate meat. Why? The meat dishes I ate this Wednesday weren't ordinary salmon and chicken. They didn't come from a slaughterhouse or fishery—in fact, they didn't come from a living animal that had to be killed at all. The meat I tried was cultivated, or lab-grown meat.
While lab-grown meat has been subject to considerable culture war fervor in recent months, few have actually tried slaughter-free meat. In fact, after a brief restaurant-based debut last year, lab-grown meat options aren't available for commercial sale anywhere in the United States currently. The dishes I had came from cultivated meat companies Wildtype and GOOD Meat, and were served for free by alternate protein industry group Food Solutions Action.
I tried two salmon dishes and one chicken dish, all served up inside José Andrés' downtown D.C. restaurant Oyamel. The first salmon dish involved a dollop of guacamole wrapped in a thin slice of Wildtype salmon gravlax. Salmon, especially cured salmon like gravlax, is the kind of meat I miss the most since going vegetarian four years ago, so I was particularly excited to try this one. While it wasn't quite like how I remembered lox tasting, the Wildtype salmon was savory, undeniably meaty and pleasantly fishy. In my experience, texture is the biggest challenge facing cultivated meat products and the wafer-thin preparation in this case helped the Wildtype salmon shine.
The second salmon dish was a simple ceviche-like preparation of cubed salmon, avocado, pecans, and a tangy dressing. Here, the sponginess of the Wildtype salmon was more apparent, and the textural wonkiness certainly wouldn't fool any committed carnivores.
GOOD Meat's chicken was served as a simple taco with beans and salsa. I've had this kind of cultivated chicken before, and I don't know if it was simply a different preparation or an update to GOOD Meat's production process, but I thought this time around, GOOD Meat's chicken was close to perfect. The chicken wasn't too bouncy and had a pleasant "shreddy" texture resembling the structure of chicken thighs. It was fairly convincing, enough that I did a mouth-based double take when I took my first bite.
But residents of two states—and possibly more to come—might never be able to try these dishes. In May, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a law banning the sale or production of lab-grown meat in the state. A few weeks later, Alabama Governor Kay Ivey followed suit, signing a similar law. Several other states, including Tennessee, Arizona, and Texas, all considered, though ultimately did not pass, other bills banning the sale or manufacture of lab-grown meat.
"It's important to recognize that at present the cultivated meat industry has exciting long-term potential, but right now it's just potential. This is a tiny industry," Glenn Hurowitz, the founder and CEO of Mighty Earth, a climate-focused advocacy group tells Reason. "There's nothing that made me more excited about the potential for cultivated protein to get to scale than how afraid the meat industry seems to be of it…they seem to be taking it seriously."
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I have this really fantastic method for growing salmon meat. It’s super cheap, efficient, environmentally friendly, tastes just like real salmon and VEGANS HATE IT.
But seriously Emma. If you don't eat meat, why would anyone trust your opinion about how good this is? You aren't comparing it to anything but an ancient memory at best.
Why would a vegan want to eat “meat”?
I guess if it's a purely ethical thing. Though it's a very silly ethical thing if you ask me. If you want to eat meat, eat meat.
Not just any garden variety 'vegan', Dlam. No, Emma is a committed vegan! And she wants the world to know it!
These people make me laugh for all the wrong reasons.
Not anymore she's not. Now she's a meat eater. And very proud of having done so, having thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
At least it tells us in the first sentence that we should not listen to it
In fairness, and assuming common usage, she did say
so it seems likely that she did eat some non-vegan products, possibly including meat, perhaps as recently as less than four years ago. So she may have some recollection of what meat actually tastes like and her criticisms of the reviewed products suggest the same.
In fairness, her shitty pimping of fake meat isn't any better than Ron "Well marbled ground beef." Bailey's shitty pimping of fake meat.
And as indicated below, regarding common usage, the term 'committed' means she's eaten meat a few times in the last 3.5 yrs. but they don't count because it was just one meal late at night when she was hanging out with friends who were drinking and she barely even ate the portion that had meat... if she's even sure she ate meat at all.
I doubt her taste test has much validity.
There's the problem -- confirmation bias. You could replace "excited" with "reluctant" and have the same problem.
The only valid taste test is a blindfolded person who regularly eats and enjoys the real thing. Give him two plates, or more likely bowls, one on each side so confusion is impossible, and let him eat as he wishes from each, and say which he thinks is which.
I have a vegetarian friend who's just disgusted by meat. Our present rater must've become vegetarian for other reasons, and wrote that she missed lox. So I'd trust her evaluation.
I have no problem with those types. If you don't like the taste then that's fully justified. It's the ideological/moral ones that annoy the hell out of me.
Haitian food truck operators may explore cooking with lab-grown cat meat.
They'll be right behind the Chinks who already cook with dog meat, and aren't too fussy whether it is lab-grown, or natural.
Actually, consumption of dog meat is very rare in Chinese culture. It is Koreans who are known for eating dog meat. I also once had it in Japan, but there it is a regional dish, eaten only in a few places.
I remember several years ago, an Asian restaurant in Dearborn, Mi., was caught with several dog carcasses in the meat cooler.
Now I wonder how that happened?
Good. This stuff is a stalking horse for vegan whackjobs to push to ban actual meat.
+1
Once again, it would be dead simple for these people to produce lab-grown fish sticks and lab-grown chicken nuggets that your average human is 100% incapable of distinguishing from "the real deal", but they can't compete because their product is to expensive/resource intensive and fish sticks/chicken nuggets don't convince pretentious, closeted Progressives that their friends think they're saving the planet or pretentious enough.
Yeah that's my source of skepticism. I have no problem with the concept of lab grown meat and banning it is stupid. If it can compete on price and flavor go for it but it's nowhere near a viable product at this point. But the sales pitch is coming from the same climate zealots telling us we'll own nothing and eat bugs. I'm not a member of their church and I won't be partaking in their sacraments any time soon.
I have no problem with the concept of lab grown meat and banning it is stupid.
The “ban” is a bit like the typical Emma Camp “Don’t Say Gay” or “Wisconsin tries 10 yr. olds as adults” retarded take. Growing and slaughtering a horse for commercial meat production is “banned”. Unlike growing and slaughtering your own horse to sell to your neighbors or whatever, lab-grown meat has a lot of government subsidies, foreign and domestic, baked into it. A/the Governor saying “You can’t buy or sell this shit until the Department of Agriculture comes up with a different ruling just like beef, chicken, pig, horse, or anything else you would/wouldn't have to declare at customs.” isn’t exactly a “ban”. Especially after large swaths of the magazine spent “two weeks” affirming that COVID came from a wet market (and Ron Bailey wringing his hands about mandatory vaccinations and viruses of zoonotic origin during Zika).
Once again, “It’s unfair that FL can ‘ban’ lab grown meat.” but if NJ, CA, and NY want to fuck with gun owners and run them through the “the process is the punishment” ringer even under Safe Passage or, potentially national reciprocity, well… that’s just how Federalism has always worked.
Well clearly the danger here is lab grown pangolin. Might as well set up a GOF lab on a street corner.
What ban meat when you can use farts as an excuse to swindle money out of ranchers?
Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos pour millions into climate vaccine to stop cow farts.
Reported in TGP
Pretty much. I've got no problem with it in principle. But anti-nature and anti-farming nutjobs will take it too far.
Yup, absolutely. The moment a committed whack job could so much as hallucinate that this stuff is feasible, they'll start trying to ban the real stuff.
Sounds like an ideal material for baiting crab traps.
How much per ton does it cost?
Lab grown, cruelty free Soylent Green or GTFO.
I just don't see how this could possibly become cost competitive unless they interfere in the market in a massive way, like banning farming of animals.
Or educate people on the practices in factory farms.
Or educate snowflakes on how wild animals die.
I'm educated on them. But I like eating (and wearing) animals more than empathizing with them. So I don't really care if they're stacked and packed and miserable - so long as I get steaks and bacon and Thanksgiving turkey.
They exist for our sake and our use Moder. Not their own.
Also - people who are against factory farming (and GMOs), I'm pretty convinced, just really hate poor people.
For my money nothing beats free-range Eloi *with a side of* lab grown, cruelty-free Soylent Green. Just like Mom used to make.
Next time you go to a grocery store, ask them if they sell Soylent Green.
Should be good for a laugh.
Ot: Looks like you can’t call trump a felon anymore.
Oh did Judge Juan finally notice that sword of Damacles hanging over his head?
It's important to recognize that at present the cultivated meat industry has exciting long-term potential
No, it doesn't. On Mars, maybe. Here on Earth where actual salmon were leaping into omnivores' mouths well before man showed up, there is no potential except to dazzle the eyes of pretentious morons who go vegan for 3.5 yrs., just like 99+% of the rest of the vegans.
No surprise that people who would never try it anyway want it banned. Principles shminciples.
You should burn the fake salmon meat in protest.
What is their rationale for wanting to ban it Mr. Principles?
According to comments , OMG THEYRE GOING TO OUTLAW MEAT and Fuck Vegans.
Exactly what I expect from hateful conspiracy minded assholes such as yourself.
Conspiracy minded?
There are movements to ban meat. Not to say it's going to happen.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2022/02/01/global-elimination-of-meat-production-could-save-the-planet/#:~:text=A%20new%20study%20of%20the%20climate%20impacts%20of,to%20substantially%20alter%20the%20trajectory%20of%20global%20warming.
https://wraltechwire.com/2022/06/03/doomsday-climate-change-and-cattle-the-case-for-banning-beef-worldwide/
Indeed. All of it pure unadulterated bull shit.
Cite?
"According to comments"
So you don't know and were just crafting another one of your wonderful strawmen again.
Just as expected of you.
In order to get lab grown meat to grow forever, they have to immortalize salmon and chicken cells. Basically turn them into cancer by forced expression of SV40 large T antigen. No thanks, I am not eating that.
I'm normally open minded with food, but I've got no plans to try lab grown meat. I do think that it could be a way for people who won't eat anything "with a face" to get some much needed protein in their diets. But that won't happen if assholes ban it because they hate vegans or fear that the vegans will take over government and ban real meat.
Statists, not vegans. Control food supply, control humans. It’s easier to control access to artificial food than real food. It’s easy to police poaching and farming when it’s fully banned.
Let’s not pretend government control of food supply has never happened.
Vegans won’t be Allie’s and it might be sold to us as a vegan/GW initiative, but it’s just old fashioned tyranny.
They also have to artificially replace the lungs, immune system, digestive system, circulatory system... Basically, a living animal is a complete package for manufacturing meat, from cheap organic feedstocks, and they're even self-reproducing.
A lump of cultured cells would rapidly die of starvation, asphyxiation, or be eaten alive by bacteria, without a massive investment in technology to replace those systems.
Consequently it's basically impossible for cultured meat to be remotely as cheap as naturally grown meat. Simply not happening.
Now, you might eventually genetically engineer an organism that was "meat without a face", that incorporated enough of the necessary systems to survive in an industrial environment without being a fully functional animal that activates our emotions. But the same people who don't like animal husbandry don't like genetic engineering...
This does seem to be the case.
Solutions in search of a problem
Problem in search of people who need another problem. They are at 98 and really want to sing that song with authenticity.
"I've been a committed vegan for more than three years"
Zero surprises there. I'd be shocked if if she wasn't.
By ‘Zero surprises’ we’re in agreement that, unless Emma’s use of the term ‘committed’ refers to her stay in a mental institution, it’s a hedging/dishonest, conditional verbal tick, right?
Otherwise, you should know that as a committed athlete, I’ve been committed to keto dieting for almost a decade to get down to 5% body fat while remaining committed to maintaining my 1200 lb. bench press.
I’ve eaten meat nearly since I was born, I’ve lifted weights for decades, I’ve been married for 23 yrs., and I’ve intermittently consumed alcohol since I was 14. Everybody I know who is a “committed weightlifter”, “committed spouse”, “committed sober”, or “committed vegan” really means “Not currently lapsed enough that I think you’ll question it”.
She looks and talks like the type. I'm only surprised that she hasn't said it at every opportunity like most vegans.
Last I checked the lab grown chicken still requires the raising and slaughter of infant cows for the bovine growth hormone used in the production of the chicken cells.
I’m not a vegetarian, but by my calculations chickens are closer to vegetables than cows. That makes lab grown chicken closer to meat than actual chicken.
Need to do some research into the salmon manufacturing to see what animal product they might be using.
Yeah , yeah, yeah. Even if it tastes and / or feels like the real thing, what is the nutritional value of this … stuff ?
I see great potential in the lab grown meat industry. There are simply so many upsides to the practice. Certainly, there is the end to cruel practices in factory farms. But the meat can be healthier with no antibiotics and without the potential for contamination that comes in processing. There are space considerations. Now do I expect the lab grown meat to be as good as farm raised meat, no. I do think lab grown meat can compete with factory farms. I see the future as lab grown meat for routine food products and naturally raised meat for specialty markets. I want my steak from a cow, but they can grow the meat for my hamburger.
This is how you can tell it will fail.
Yeah, when Mod joins the parade you know the party's over.
If you have read my past comments on this topic, you know I join the parade long ago.
You know he doesn't read comments. He projects caricatures and argues against strawmen.
Ideas™ !
Ya, probably just like a private company starting its own rocket program. Wait till lab growth meat finds its Elon Musk.
Yeah, lab grown meat would be exactly like a private company having a rocket program would be... If you could just walk to space, and people had been going there without rockets for all of recorded history.
Let's see you BBQ some lab grown meat.
Yum,yum, BBQ lab grown ribs and some lab grown hot wings.
Local grocery store sells "Beyond Meat" that is, they have it for sale but no one's buying it.
I can't wait until we get kosher, lab grown bacon. 🙂
Everything is just better with bacon in it. Everything.
Has there been any authoritative judgement from Kosher authorities (I don't know who decides these things or how it works to be honest) on test tube pork?
It's not pork so those that are forbidden to enjoy the deliciousness of pork can go hard.
Waiting to see what the rate of "flipper babies" are for this stuff.
"I've been a committed vegan for more than three years"
That explains a lot. I have no issue with vegetarians but vegans are almost always animal rights wackos who oppose everything from circus animals to horse slaughter to hunting and fishing and traditional sports like horseracing, competitive dogsledding cockfighting, not to mention apparel constructed from fur and hides.
What of you just shave the animal? You aren't killing it, but you are exploiting it.
Bee slaves toil on my honey plantation from can to can't.
There are some vegans that also want to ban honey.
???!!!???
If I wanted to try cultured "meat" I would patronize the black market. If the price is competitive I prefer it. I buy raw milk in NV and was raised on illegal milk from 1947. It's unconstitutional to violate the right to liberty, for any reason. I know it's done, tolerated by most, and the majority force their prejudices on all. That doesn't make it moral or practical. But, most people suffer from "The Most Dangerous Superstition" (Larken Rose) which cripples their ability to evaluate their political decisions. This superstitious indoctrination started in public (govt. mandated) school. And it's grown into a deadly threat. It creates self-enslavement, irrational self-sacrifice.
^This. Well-Said +100000000.
"If we're not supposed to eat animals
then why are they made of meat?"
I've been a committed vegan for more than three years
And, right on cue, the VERY FIRST WORDS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH are to let everyone know it.
They seriously can't help themselves. As the joke goes:
How can you tell someone's a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you. Repeatedly.
Oh, and for the lols, guess what:
The meat dishes I ate
Now you're not a vegan anymore.
Nope, there's no counterargument here so shut your stupid ignorant mouth. You are NOT a vegan if you are eating meat. Full stop. The fact that it was grown in a lab - especially since it's marketing itself AS ACTUAL MEAT - doesn't change the fact that it's meat. It's not a meat alternative, it's lab grown MEAT.
You no longer get to virtue signal your veganism, Emma. You are a traitor to your cause.
lol.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1551363-comedy-cemetery
It's relevant here and worth getting out of the way. To her credit, I haven't seen her throw it out there any other times.
>they didn't come from a living animal that had to be killed at all.
Where do you think they got the starter cells from? They kindly scraped the inside of the mouth of a salmon?
Also, why is it we keep getting *vegans* telling us how 'good' fake meat is?
While your point is valid it also reflects a kind of silliness. It like the people that argue over Stem cell even though the cell line being used originated years ago.
So . . . its ok to use an unethically sourced item just because the unethical action was done a long time ago?
These are *vegans* we're talking about.
You're assuming that that vegans are a monolith and this is not true. Just look at the discussion on whether honey is acceptable for a vegan?
Which has nothing to do with my original comment. Can you stay on topic or not?
It has everything to do with your original comment because you are assuming that all vegans are the same in their interpretation of veganism.
They're not telling you.
They're telling themselves.
Vegans don't intend to eat meat substitutes themselves. They want them as a tool to convert others to veganism.
Just wait until they have the power to force the rest of us into compliance.
Can you say,, "civil war"?
in fact, they didn't come from a living animal that had to be killed at all.
^shows Emma has a fundemental missunderstanding how lab grown meat works.
So it tasted ok with glop all over it, but how about as a nice thin slice, smoked, on a piece of bread and topped with a nice sliver of a good apple?
If you put enough sauce on dogshit it probably tastes ok too.
To a degree. I've tried all sorts of vegan stuff and it's either nasty or leaves a lot to be desired.
If you want a good thin slice, you buy wild or farm raised. But there is no reason that lab grown meat will not be acceptable for fastfood burgers and chicken nuggets. Lab meat can fill an important niche in the food people eat.
Why would it though - if eating meat wild/farm meat is still allowed, lab grown offers no benefits over that.
Lab meat offers significant benefits over wild/farm raised;
- LG meat has no sigma of factory farming or animal slaughter,
- LG meat can be produced in smaller spaces, no pastures or minimum sized cages.
- LG meat has no animal waste that must be addressed,
- LG meat is healthier as far less if any antibiotics are required,
-LG meat can be processed far easier, no bones to remove.
LG meat will not replace the small farmer with custom meats, but it will replace large scale factory farms.
Fine, you want to eat it, you eat it.
But I'm going to wait 20 or 30 years while you all test it and see what the long term effects are. Call me skeptical, but having been brought up around the food pyramid that we now learn is the cause of obesity etc., I'm a bit leery of eating what politically driven science tells me I should.
It isn't lab grown, but one of the vegetarian meat brands caused kidney failure in rats.
Mexican culinary rule 101:
You don't use blue corn tortillas for tacos, you don't put salmon on tacos, and you don't put lab grown meat on anything.
Thanks for appropriating.
Tilapia tastes like dirt. That is the only fish I ever see in Mexican restaurants in America.
Yes, 100%. Tilapia is awful. It's a gutterfish with no taste. And if you do ever taste something, it's not good for you.
I enjoy a wide variety of seafood - but tilapia is a hard pass. That's the "you get what you pay for" fish.
Indeed, yes. Awful tasting. I bought a pack of frozen, tried it, decided to give the rest of it to the cat.
Absolute gutter fish.
Bumper sticker I saw up in coastal Maine: "Tilapia is not seafood".
Everybody remembers just a few years ago when all the morons were pretending how good kale was, right?
That shit disappeared harder and faster, with no questions asked, than COVID.
Kale, home grown, fresh from the garden during the winter is phenomenal; I'm making kale soup later this morning.
Even the stuff in the better local markets is fine in season (winter).
However, even homegrown during the summer is questionable; I can only imagine what kale from a farm in southern california is like.
So it's finally come to this? States are now banning FOOD?! Yup, we have reached The End Times, but I don't think it's the End Times that the bible thumpers have envisioned ere now ...
Synthetic meat? What will they think of next? Synthetic water? Synthetic air?
In reality our food supply is being attacked and destroyed with gain of function diseases designed to kill of chicken herds, destruction of farms and food processing plants and now Billy boy Gates wants us to eat synth food.
F*** Bill gates.
Time someone deals with this turd on two legs and yes, he is behind it all. Gates is a psychopath, a very dangerous one.