After 100 Years, End the Open Fields Doctrine
Federal agents are allowed to search private property without a warrant under this Prohibition-era Supreme Court precedent.

In a decision issued at the dawn of Prohibition, the Supreme Court quietly gutted a freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights: the protection against unwarranted search and seizure. The 100th anniversary of that decision is a perfect time to kill the open fields doctrine.
In 1919, revenue agents spotted Charlie Hester selling a quart of moonshine outside his South Carolina home. When confronted, Hester and the buyer each dropped their jugs, which shattered but retained a portion of their contents. That allowed the agents to determine the jugs contained illegally distilled whiskey.
Hester challenged his arrest as a violation of the Fourth Amendment: The agents had hopped a fence and traipsed across a pasture, without a warrant, to get to him. In 1924, the Supreme Court sided with the government in Hester v. United States. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote for the majority that "the special protection accorded by the Fourth Amendment to the people in their 'persons, houses, papers, and effects,' is not extended to the open fields." Ostensibly, Holmes' open fields doctrine held that a person's home and the "curtilage"—the area immediately surrounding the home—receive full Fourth Amendment protection, while the rest of one's property does not.
Holmes' decision is less than three pages long, but the damage it's caused to personal liberty and the right to be free from government intrusion has been huge.
The court affirmed Hester in 1984's Oliver v. United States, with Justice Lewis F. Powell Jr. writing that "in the case of open fields, the general rights of property protected by the common law of trespass have little or no relevance to the applicability of the Fourth Amendment." Powell then went even further: "It is clear," he wrote in a footnote, "that the term 'open fields' may include any unoccupied or undeveloped area outside of the curtilage. An open field need be neither 'open' nor a 'field' as those terms are used in common speech." Powell contends that any bit of land not directly adjoining your primary residence is fair game for government agents to trespass at will.
In practice, the open fields doctrine allows wildlife agents to enter private property looking for violations, and in some cases agents have even planted cameras on private land—all without a warrant. "When Service officers enter onto open fields (not part of curtilage), their observations are reasonable under the Fourth Amendment," reads the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's policy manual.
Steps taken to ensure privacy aren't enough. Powell wrote that "because fences or 'No Trespassing' signs do not effectively bar the public from viewing open fields, the asserted expectation of privacy in open fields is not one that society recognizes as reasonable." In fact, the search in Oliver involved Kentucky State Police officers driving onto private land until they reached a locked gate with a "No Trespassing" sign, then getting out and walking more than a mile down a footpath until they found a marijuana field—actions which the court affirmed.
Thankfully, some states provide their citizens greater protections than the Fourth Amendment does. In May 2024, the Tennessee Court of Appeals Western Section ruled against the state after wildlife agents planted cameras on private property to look for hunting violations, without a warrant. The unanimous court deemed that snooping "a disturbing assertion of power." Other courts have also determined over the years that individual state constitutions are more protective than the Fourth Amendment and have shot down some unwarranted trespasses that the open fields doctrine might have allowed.
But that doctrine subjects all American homeowners to potential trespass unless their state happens to provide greater protection—and even then, with no protection against the feds. In the absence of the doctrine, the Fourth Amendment would provide a level of protection against unwarranted searches as a matter of law, even on undeveloped land. Congress should abolish, or the Supreme Court should overturn, the open fields doctrine and give Americans breathing room on their own property.
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AKA the FYTW Doctrine
Reckon theres just no more Baby Face Lloyds. Or like W C Fields said once...'looking for a loop hole'.
Came to make this exact comment.
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God's Own Prohibitionist Doctrine, quiz answers: A Kangaroo Court need be neither 'Supreme' nor a 'court' as those terms are used in common speech." Where superstitious sumptuary prohibitionism is concerned, no pretext is too flimsy and no amount of overreach too violent or destructive of life, liberty and economic stability.
'Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote for the majority that "the special protection accorded by the Fourth Amendment to the people in their 'persons, houses, papers, and effects,' is not extended to the open fields." '
Fuck Holmes.
What is things said by the director of Johnny Wadd?
I always found it funny when people were calling the black helicopters flying over a conspiracy theory.
The Arkansas National Guard use to and probably still does, fly Blackhawks, black in color, over parts of the state looking for weed.
"Other courts have also determined over the years that individual state constitutions are more protective than the Fourth Amendment"
Is it really the case that they're more protective than the 4th Amendment? Or should we say that they're more protective than what the Supreme Court did when it pissed on the 4th Amendment?
More protective in practice.
Quibbling about what the 4th Amendment should be is just masturbation.
Most 9-year-olds quibble.
If this case or a case similar to it goes to the SCOTUS, I wonder what the justices would decide?
I'm sure the leftist judges would approve of the government's overreach and allow our Gestapo to trample on anyone's property without any reasonable cause.
As our government grows bigger, our rights become smaller, much to the applause and approval of the closet fascists on both sides of the aisle.
Oliver Wendell Holmes was a short-sighted tyrant who should never have been permitted a seat at the SC
Did I miss something? Is someone appealing this law and ruling from over a century ago now? Or is this article a random thought that the writer had today?
All our other problems have been solved.
It would be nice if we could get a more expansive right to the air above our property as well. As it currently stands the government can circle drones a couple hundred feet over your house with no limitations.
I thought there was also some basis for this doctrine in common law. I could be mistaken. In any case, I'd be happy to see it go. A search is a search and my property is my property.
Ah, but that's the rub. The 4th Amendment doesn't mention property.
I'd like to walk across the White House lawn.
FDR, “I know, I know!!! Let State ‘democracy’ decide!!!” /s
Alito, “I know, I know!!! Let State ‘democracy’ decide!!!” /s
It’s about ‘moral standards’ don’t ya know. /s
The 4th Amendment is no challenge to [OUR] 'moral standards' & ‘democracy’. /s
You think 1930’s
Gov-Gun rights to “Open Fields” violates the peoples rights?
… oh just wait till 2024 …
Gov-Gun rights to “Women’s Wombs” violates the peoples rights.
… hmmm, what will be in 2120? …
Perhaps the BIGGEST ‘wishful’ thinking is the SCOTUS will ever uphold “The Peoples” Supreme Law over [WE] mob ‘democracy’.
As there is no benefit/advantage for the govt if they override this, it will not be overridden
I can see some shred sensibility in this concept in extremely limited cases...if the cops can *see* your still from outside the boundaries of your property, or if they can see the drug deal going down from outside your property, or if they can see the doe hanging from the rack when it's not legally doe season from outside your property...then maybe them coming on your land is one thing. The expectation of privacy is gone if we can see the shit you're doing from the road...no matter if it's 5 feet onto your property or 100 yards.
But there's zero cause to allow unobstructed traipsing through my woods or fields on the off chance they might catch me doing something wrong, let alone installing cameras.
if the cops can *see* your still from outside the boundaries of your property, or if they can see the drug deal going down from outside your property, or if they can see the doe hanging from the rack when it’s not legally doe season
In none of those cases is there a victim in need of protection by the government.
True, but I wasn't arguing whether the laws should be laws or not.
But that's the standard argument for entering private property without a warrant.
Thus the probable cause warrant procedure.