New Zealand Government Punishes Gun Owners for Their Political Beliefs
The police targeted “sovereign citizens” for surveillance and disarmament.

A common—and persuasive—argument against gun registration is that those who comply just put themselves on a list to have their firearms stolen by government officials in the future. As if to emphasize the point, the New Zealand government recently confiscated firearms licenses and the guns they covered from 62 people because of their political ideology. The situation is an important reminder that warnings against registering firearms are correct. But it also raises a red flag about governments' willingness to punish people for the ideas they believe.
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Under the Influence of Ideology
"Sixty-two firearms licence holders with views aligned to the Sovereign Citizens movement had their licences revoked after a police intelligence operation," Catherine Hubbard reported for the Waikato Times on October 13. "Nationally, police identified 1,400 people as acting under the influence of Sovereign Citizen ideologies, and of that number, 158 were firearms licence holders."
If you're not familiar with the term, "sovereign citizen" is a general description for various people who deny the legitimacy of government and claim to live under common law separate from rules imposed by the state. That is, they go beyond the skepticism of government legitimacy shared by many people, including philosophical anarchists like Michael Huemer (I recommend his book, The Problem of Political Authority) and sometimes try to live by their ideas. They might refuse to use license plates and file liens against government officials while wielding garbled legal arguments that they—incorrectly—think will ward off unimpressed cops and judges.
Like anybody else, they're occasionally dangerous. But mostly, they're that guy who corners you at a party to tell you about his magic constitutional revelation that will immunize you against the income tax.
Sovereign citizens have found fertile ground in New Zealand, given a boost by the country's harsh COVID-era restrictions. And, for some reason, they really upset government officials in that country.
"The Police Security Intelligence and Threats Group's Operation Belfast in September 2022 aimed at identifying safety risks to staff from people influenced by Sovereign Citizen ideologies," Hubbard added in her piece. "In most instances, no charges were laid in respect of a revocation process, unless the former licence holder had committed a criminal offence."
Beliefs That Aren't 'Fit and Proper'
That's right, the country's police conducted a domestic intelligence operation to identify people who hold cranky ideological beliefs. They were stripped of their firearms licenses because they were no longer considered "fit and proper" to possess them.
I approached the New Zealand Police about the situation, but their press people refused to answer my questions. "Due to resourcing and our obligations to New Zealand media, we are declining your request for service," I was told by email.
Strictly speaking, I didn't ask for an oil change or a massage, just the sort of answers media representatives routinely cough up as part of their jobs. But if those are a service, I didn't get them.
Still, the Waikato Times article gave me enough information to search through the Firearms Safety Authority website, where I found a requirement that an applicant for a firearms license be "a fit and proper person to possess and use firearms." Among the potential disqualifiers for that status is if a person "exhibited, encouraged, or promoted violence, hatred, or extremism."
'Extremism' Is in the Eye of the Beholding Politician
Extremism is one of those words that politicians find very useful for smearing their critics. Opposing viewpoints are always extreme relative to the speaker, so it's easy enough for those in power to point fingers at those who disagree with them and call for unleashing the censors.
In fact, the New Zealand and French governments co-founded Christchurch Call, a campaign against "violent extremism content online." The campaign immediately became an amorphous bludgeon against speech government officials just don't like. Former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who tried to ban "hate speech" when in office and has compared words to weapons of war, now devotes herself to "combating online extremism."
"For the past five years, New Zealand has been led by someone who has never really understood what free speech is, or why it's so important," Dr. James Kierstead, a research fellow with the New Zealand Initiative think tank, wrote in 2022 about then-Prime Minister Ardern.
So, perhaps it's not surprising that New Zealand officials believe simply espousing views the powers-that-be regard as "extreme" is reason enough to strip people of a piece of their liberty.
Warnings for Americans
While most Americans don't need licenses to own firearms, and we enjoy First Amendment protections for our speech and Second Amendment protections for owning the means of self-defense, we still need to consider the example of a liberal democratic government surveilling its own people and limiting the freedom of those found espousing "unacceptable" ideas. Just two years ago the FBI passed around a guide to "domestic terrorism symbols" that could indicate a proclivity for "militia violent extremism." Among the allegedly worrisome symbols were the Gadsden flag, the Betsy Ross flag, a black-and-gold anarcho-capitalist flag, and "Revolutionary War imagery." Getting tagged as an extremist isn't difficult.
At the same time, the government attempted to suppress discussions on social media when they crossed imaginary lines of acceptable dissent to government policy or were just inconvenient to politicians.
"For law-abiding American gun owners, the Kiwis' plight should serve as a stark reminder of the dangers of firearm registration, especially when coupled with a government that doesn't care about an individual's inherent rights, such as the right of their citizens to defend themselves and their families," cautions the Second Amendment Foundation.
That's absolutely true. While it's not always possible to evade government mandates, registering your guns just puts them on a shopping list for sticky-fingered officials. That's true of registering anything that you value and that powerful people might fear or covet.
Even more concerning, though, is the prospect of governments in supposedly free societies conducting intelligence operations against their people and punishing those who hold disapproved ideas. That's a great argument for getting rid of the need for government permission to go about our lives. Politicians will never approve of those who disagree with them, but we shouldn't need their approval.
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New Zealand is lost.
Hawaii is Lost. The Return of The King is New Zealand.
Not only N.Z. but Australia, Canada and Britain which includes Scotland , Wales and Ireland.
All those people have been stabbed in the back.
Why the fuck do we spend billions$, trillions$ even, defending gun-control nations – nations whose values differ so greatly from our own? Let New Zealand, Australia, Japan, and all of the European and Asian gun-control nations defend themselves without relying upon us gun-loving Amuricans. Is it worth a possible nuclear war to defend gun-control nations under the U.S. “nuclear umbrella”? Is it worth the lives of our military to defend gun-control nations?
Even more concerning, though, is the prospect of governments in supposedly free societies conducting intelligence operations against their people and punishing those who hold disapproved ideas.
Yes. That was the whole point of the Bill of Rights, to protect us from the federal government.
And despite the bill of rights ot happens here, often ignored by a certain libertarian magazine.
Yes, but that dusty old document was written by slaveowners and, even worse, white men. So leftists can safely disregard it unless and until they want to use it to protect the rights they value.
Wood chippers did not even exist in 1791.
They were called "axes".
Now run three stories about how the
arrest ofrefusal to pay out to *CITIZEN JOURNALIST* Priscilla Villarreal for working with her police contact to dox people on FB is the collapse of freedom of speech and Western civilization as we know it.Getting tagged as an extremist isn't difficult.
Indeed. IIRC, claiming you are not an extremist is a prime indicator.
The article warns against firearms registration but New Zealand identified individuals by their firearms license. Shouldn't your concern be about firearms licensing?
In any event, disarming a third of the gun-owning anarchists in New Zealand (60ish individuals) doesn't seem like the incredible threat to liberty that you suggest it is. At some point a person's words and/or espoused ideology may suggest enough of a threat to warrant disarming them. We cannot tell from your article whether that is the case.
Consider an American context. An 18yo posting messages about killing classmates at school should be disarmed, at least temporarily, to allow time to understand if the 18yo is truly a threat or needs help. A scorned lover talking about killing his ex should be disarmed, at least temporarily, until he can calm down and get some help.
I oppose disarming someone because they wrote an anti-government pamphlet, but at some point words do suggest a level of threat that warrants government action.
It's a decent point that Free Speech typically strives to distinguish True Threats to persons or individuals from Protected Speech regardless of the weapon used or the identification scheme involved. And that NZ doesn't exactly have that enshrined as a sort of crown of their national identity, right above their equivalent of the 2A for over 200 yrs.
It's unfortunate for you that you're too stupid to have been making that point.
It depends on who decides whether those words are an actual threat or just blowing off steam. Of course our just and Constitution friendly , hard working, selfless people in government, who have only our best interests at heart, would never do such a thing as disarm, hard working, tax paying Americans, now would they?
The same people that decided Randy Weaver was a threat, the same people who decided certain people in Waco, Texas were a threat.
All it takes is for some overpaid stuffed bureaucrat to decide he or she doesn't like what someone said, then all bets are off.
All it takes is for some little bureaucrat to become miffed at a few words and all hell breaks loose.
The events of the past thirty years are an indication as to just how far the government will go to prove a point.
You do not want a fully armed FBI SWAT team, with orders to use deadly force, smashing your front door in a 5:00AM.
The article warns against firearms registration but New Zealand identified individuals by their firearms license. Shouldn’t your concern be about firearms licensing?
Sounds like NZ has licensing that also covers registration of specific firearms. Both are big concerns.
In any event, disarming a third of the gun-owning anarchists in New Zealand (60ish individuals) doesn’t seem like the incredible threat to liberty that you suggest it is.
The problem is the government knowing who has what guns in the first place. That's why both licensing and registration are so strongly opposed in the US. Also, I reject the idea it's OK to foreceably disarm people who haven't committed a crime. If their threats are sufficiently specific and realistic to constitute a crime, then arrest them. Otherwise, they have every right to be armed.
If their threats are sufficiently specific and realistic to constitute a crime, then arrest them. Otherwise, they have every right to be armed.
^^This. In the U.S. there is a doctrine called inciting imminent lawless action.
Obviously, the people of New Zealand need to put their guns to good use.
"New Zealand Government Punishes Gun Owners for Their Political Beliefs."
Yeah, well, that's what fascists and communists do: Take away your guns.
That way, your enslavement will be much easier for them.
Sovereign citizens don't have political beliefs, they have a mental disorder. Do you want guns in the hands of crazy people?
One person's leftism is to another person a mental disorder. Maybe being left-of-center politically is rational grounds to be prohibited from owning firearms. Ya see how it works?
No. Being left-of-center politically is political opinion. It may be wrong, but it can be rationally argued. Do you want guns in the hands of irrational people?
Being a “sovereign citizen” is political opinion. It may be wrong, but it can be rationally argued.
Do I want guns in the hands of irrational people? Depends upon how irrational and how to determine the degree of irrationality. Only if a person has actually committed a sufficiently aggressive act, or realistically threatened to do so, is the level of irrationality sufficient to forcibly confiscate or prohibit possession of firearms. Being a "sovereign citizen" or a leftist alone is not sufficient irrationality to confiscate firearms from such individual.
Sovereign Citizens are wackos. Period.
You do this all the time, Reason. You take a legitimate issue, and pick the least sympathetic examples of people to illustrate, discuss, and defend them.
It'll always be something like, "He was just trying to drive home to his kids when the cops hospitalized him." Casually ignoring the fact that he was fleeing the scene of the rape he just committed. "She's dedicated her life to keeping cops honest," says the headline. Oh it's just some fat agitator with a facebook page who likes to harass on-duty cops with her smartphone. Never mind.
Gun rights. Super important. Gun rights of nutjobs whose basic common feature is their mistaken belief that laws don't apply to them. I mean, why not shoot yourself in the other foot too.
“Sovereign Citizens are wackos. Period.”
Irrelevant. What they ARE is irrelevant compared to what they actually do. Prosecuting them for owning a firearm is only justified if they have made some serious specific threat .
No, it's pretty relevant. At least to the point I made.
You're talking about something else.
"Sovereign Citizens are wackos. Period."
This is SNOT a quote from Reason, AT, ye LIAR!!! Put words into the mouths of strawmen much?
You PervFectly do this ALL of the time, AT.
The same people who considered themselves as what we would label "sovereign citizens", as they truly were. They were sovereign from a king thousands of miles away, one who was mentally disturbed and cruel as well, they considered the idea that this mentally unfit king could send troops into the colonies to disarm the people, ( sounds familiar , doesn't it?) and force them into submitting to an irrational crazy monarch.
These sovereign citizens were the ones who fired the first volleys at Concord.
No, those were rebels.
We've been told there will never be a gun registry here.....until there was. Sheep voters like to be lied to.
"Former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who tried to ban "hate speech" when in office and has compared words to weapons of war, now devotes herself to "combating online extremism.""
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And we fell for it.