Ticket Change?
Plus: Journalists shilling for Biden, Zyn imitators pissing off regulators, in defense of Little Tech, and more...

House Democrats exert pressure: House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) recently convened a virtual meeting of House Democrats to discuss whether President Joe Biden ought to be replaced by a Democrat with a better chance of beating Donald Trump.
"Among those saying explicitly that Mr. Biden should end his candidacy were Representatives Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee; Adam Smith of Washington, the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee; Mark Takano of California, the ranking Democrat on the Veterans Affairs Committee; and Joseph D. Morelle of New York, the top Democrat on the committee on House Administration," reports The New York Times. The mere fact that Jeffries convened this meeting is of great significance: It's an acknowledgment from the top that this ticket isn't going to work, and that Democrats have a serious problem that lawmakers do not trust party operatives, campaign staffers, or Biden advisers to solve.
Biden, in media appearances this weekend aimed at calming people's nerves about his age, said that only the "Lord Almighty" could convince him to step aside and allow another member of his party to run for president against Trump.
Divine intervention needed: "If the Lord Almighty came down and said, 'Joe, get out of the race,' I'd get out of the race," he told ABC. He added that the "Lord Almighty's not coming down."
When asked how he would feel if he lost to Trump, he responded: "I'll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do, that's what this is about." (Interestingly, ABC and the White House initially disagreed on whether Biden had used the word goodest. More here.)
"All the pollsters I talk to say it's a tossup—it's a tossup," Biden claimed. FiveThirtyEight, which maintains an "updating average for each candidate in 2024 presidential polls, accounting for each poll's recency, sample size, methodology and house effects," does not support this assessment, saying Trump is polling ahead by 2.3 points. Two recent Ipsos/Reuters polls assessed Biden vs. Trump as well as a Kamala Harris vs. Trump ticket; Harris performed better than Biden in these matchups. Recent Bloomberg/Morning Consult polls in swing states have Biden performing better than he has been—a recent uptick—but only in Wisconsin and Michigan, which simply isn't enough.
"Like a lot of people, I was pretty horrified," Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D–R.I.) told WPRI, referring to Biden's debate performance. It seems as though all people of sound cognitive state agree: Biden cannot be kept on the ticket. It's Biden who refuses, along with several of the sycophants with whom he's surrounded himself.
French chaos: Marine Le Pen's far-right party, National Rally, didn't do as well as predicted in legislative elections yesterday. A left-wing coalition, the New Popular Front, won 178 seats, while President Emmanuel Macron's centrist party took 150; National Rally took 142.
No party will win a majority. It's gridlock time: As The New York Times describes it, the "lower house of Parliament, where most legislative power resides, [has] no governing coalition appeared immediately conceivable," meaning Macron's "centrists [are] squeezed between far-right and far-left groups that detest each other and him."
It's clear that Macron's gamble, to hold a snap election early versus later in the fall, did not pay off. Radicals on both left and right have more power and presence than before, while Macron—who was already stunningly unpopular—will be caught between the two.
"Finding a compromise candidate who could lead the next administration won't be easy," reports Bloomberg. "Some early contenders include Marine Tondelier of the Green party and Raphael Glucksmann of the center-left Place Publique; current prime minister Gabriel Attal might also end up staying on." Macron must step down, ending his second term, in 2027, and current Prime Minister Gabriel Attal has, of this morning, tendered his resignation (as is customary in French politics), which Macron rejected, meaning Attal may stay on.
Scenes from New York: Oysters keep dying instead of reproducing, creating a huge problem for the scientists working to restore the bivalve population in New York's waters.
QUICK HITS
- "The Philadelphia radio station WURD has parted ways with a host who interviewed President [Joe] Biden on Wednesday using questions provided to her by the Biden campaign, after the station said the interview violated its journalistic independence," reports The New York Times. "WURD said in a statement on Sunday that 'agreeing to a predetermined set of questions jeopardizes' its listeners' trust. The host, Andrea Lawful-Sanders, resigned in a mutual agreement, according to WURD."
- Joe Biden's excessive reliance on teleprompters, even in intimate environments like private donor events, has finally been covered by places like The Washington Post (now that it is safe to publish more explicitly negative pieces about the Democrats' guy). Big picture: If vast swaths of the media had stopped being so accommodating toward Biden earlier, and actually done their jobs, we might not be in this late-stage swap-out situation.
- Zyn imitators "pose a challenge for US regulators, who will have to contend with another wave of unauthorized nicotine products after an explosion in demand for unauthorized flavored vapes since last year," reports Bloomberg.
- Sierra Leone is reportedly in the midst of an addiction crisis.
- "The anti-startup bias that is increasingly pervasive across the American government is a clear and present threat to the health and vitality of American technology success," write Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz in a manifesto they call "The Little Tech Agenda." One reason for this situation, they say, is because "tech startups as an industry do not show up in Washington D.C. and in the political system the way big companies do."
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House Democrats exert pressure...
That seals it. Joe's your candidate.
...a virtual meeting of House Democrats to discuss whether President Joe Biden ought to be replaced by a Democrat with a better chance of beating Donald Trump.
Teleconference. That's just how important this is to them.
Under/Over on percentage of participants wearing pants?
Please do not force me to imagine Nadler not wearing pants ...
He had to remove them because he shat in them again.
Well we know Fetterman isn't.
Yet for some reason they still fly to all those foreign locations they've always wanted to visit for vacation but never had the time with all the work they have to visit for.
It's an acknowledgment from the top that this ticket isn't going to work, and that Democrats have a serious problem…
Yeah it’s time to hang it up when even Jerry Nadler tells you you’re an embarrassment to the party:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4909685/user-clip-nadlers-accident
Ha!
That's how you get an abortion, now since Covid.
Notice that it’s about who has a “better” chance of beating Trump, and not what’s good for the nation. If Biden were ahead in the polls after the debate debacle, none of this would be happening, as the Dems would be fine with having a vegetable with (D) before his name as president, as they’ve been his whole term.
To be fair, I’m betting the Republicans would probably operate the same way, if it were Trump showing clear signs of advanced cognitive decline leading to tanking poll numbers.
Yeah, it’s a bit of a both sides in my post, but one is reality, that the Dems are now, all of a sudden, seeking to bump Biden from the ticket since it’s hurting his reelection chances. Even a few weeks ago, almost all of the MSM was playing along, declaring footage of Biden being Biden “cheapfakes.”
...Democrats have a serious problem that lawmakers do not trust party operatives, campaign staffers, or Biden advisers to solve.
The solution is putting themselves out of power, so, no, his handlers won't be solving the party's problem for them.
"The Philadelphia radio station WURD has parted ways with a host who interviewed President [Joe] Biden on Wednesday using questions provided to her by the Biden campaign"
"If you question the narrative, you ain't black...W(o)URD?", responded Biden
Fired for taking questions or fired for admitting it publicly?
For getting caught.
^this. They all do it and everyone knows it and if you watch an 'interview' with Biden and think for one second it's genuine and open you are a useful idiot.
She wasn't supposed to tell people.
...only the "Lord Almighty" could convince him to step aside and allow another member of his party to run for president against Trump.
The party is now trying to figure out what combination of adderall and ritalin will make him hallucinate that conversation.
Didn’t know Joe was a fundie nut.
Just have Obama tell him on the White House PA.
(ping) Noah!
"How long can you swim?"
Flood warnings abound, town begins evacuating, stubborn old fossil refuses to leave. "God will take care of me."
Streets flood, his bottom story is uninhabitable, he moves to the second story. Deputies come by in an SUV. He refuses to leave. "God will provide."
Second story floods, he moves to the attic. Deputies come by in a boat. He refuses to leave. "God has my back."
Water floods the attic, he moves to the roof. A helicopter comes by. He refuses to leave. "God is my co-pilot."
Water covers the roof, he drowns. He complains to St Peter. St Pete says, "We sent an SUV, a boat, and a helicopter. What did you expect, a UFO next?"
What's amusing to me is if a Republican said something akin to this the left would be clutching their pearls over having a theocrat in office who refuses to leave until a mythical pretend person in the sky tells them to leave.
Imagine George Bush 2: Electric Boogaloo saying something like that on national television. We already know exactly what the next days news cycle would look like.
I guess his clear and obvious mental impairment means they don't need to address the whole god thing, although frankly Biden might not want to invoke any higher powers given he's a politician who served under an administration that's hostile to both Catholics and Jews.
Perhaps he's banking on the 'true' god being Allah, but I have some bad news for him there...
"If vast swaths of the media had stopped being so accommodating toward Biden earlier, and actually done their jobs, we might not be in this late-stage swap-out situation."
Dont worry liz, they will now switch to flooding the algo with "we are definitely honestly reporting on Bidens broken brain!" so much that the narrative will (hopefully, for them) be able to switch to ...
"ACKTSHUALLY, we have covered Bidens issues so much, we really were unfair to him and nowhere near as scrutinizing with Trump"
Just gotta give the sheep a couple weeks to forget prior programming and receive new gaslighting
Already happening. Granted, I only saw it on a Slate comment thread, but that seems like the perfect place to try out gaslighting prototypes.
Lol. Literally posted below with Jameel Hill.
Dont worry liz, they will now switch to flooding the algo with “we are definitely honestly reporting on Bidens broken brain!” so much that the narrative will (hopefully, for them) be able to switch to …
These were the headlines from three of the Denver media vermin recently:
Mike Littwin: The longer it takes for Biden to make the call, the tougher it will be to beat Trump
Diane Carmann: In Colorado, the groundswell for Biden to step aside is a fast-approaching hurricane
Trish Zornia: It’s 2016 all over again. Will Democrats get it right this time?
These aren't centrist commenters. They're reliably radical leftist Democrats. And they're parroting the same line that every other radical leftist media personality is saying now (along with the "center right" who LARPs as conservative but are really just leftists)--that somehow, we have to figure out a way to get Biden out of there, but we don't know who's going to take his place.
They really have nobody.
They run Newsom; he loses.
Hillary Clinton; 2016 deja vu all over again.
Pritzker; loses.
Whitmer; loses.
Harris; loses with heels up.
Michelle Obama doesn’t want it.
Oprah doesn’t want it.
Every other Democrat is fairly non-viable or just doesn’t want it.
These people aren't stupid. Beating Trump should be a slam-dunk for any competent Democrat, and it's not like they've shown that they have any ethical or moral scruples--if they can figure out a way to get Biden out of there with limited fallout, regardless of how it happens, they will, even if it means an assassination that's promoted in the media as an aneurysm.
But their clear reluctance to put themselves out there, particularly ambitious ones like Newsom and Pritzker (shit, even Bernie has sidelined himself this time), demonstrates my contention that they expect the economy to go completely in the toilet before 2028, and don't want to be in the seat when it happens. Even if Biden beats Trump, they can still keep their hands clean by lying that "we warned our party about this, but they didn't listen," and prep themselves for the 2028 election.
competent Democrat
Found the issue.
Newsom is competent, he just happens to be evil along with it.
Democrats are going to need a few years to find someone that aligns with their donor class over their communist base.
They might need to drill down to the local community organizer level once again to find such a person, preferably someone with no political bonafides similar to Obama. Harris might even fit that bill, other than her personality and actual track record (not to mention how she came into politics in the first place).
The likes of Newsome or Pritzker have a record and aren't leftist enough, so they probably won't do despite their instant appeal to the donor class. It would be hard to sell them as a communist to the base, although I could be wrong there since we are talking about very stupid people after all.
The problem for the modern Democrat party is that they are the party of the ultra rich and are almost entirely captured by those groups, but they also have to pretend to be in favor of communism and modern progressive causes du jour.
Thankfully for them, their idiot base basically just expects them to not have an (R) and don't really seem to care that they do absolutely nothing for them other than transfer payments, which Democrats are happy to do up until the point where they gain permanent power after the inevitable collapse they are actively engineering.
Frankly, I'm not all that sure who Republicans can field in a post-Trump party either. Guys like Rand were never all that popular in the first place, and the likes of Mitt Romney seem to be more their speed which, again, doesn't actually appeal to the base even though they might appeal to the party itself.
Essentially both parties are disconnected from their voters, leaving us with a choice of which party shill we'd rather choose as our destructor.
Say what you will about Trump, but he beat up the Republican party and stole their lunch money and I'm very sure they have not forgiven him for that. It's easy to forget that the RNC thought that Jeb Bush was a pretty good option in 2016, so I'm sure we can expect someone like that in a post-Trump RNC.
Maybe there's a Democrat who can do the same thing to the DNC, but I'm pretty sure they have constructed their party in such a way that it inherently limits itself to who the party thinks is best. Amusingly, this is right in line with how Democrats plan to govern but few manage to understand that.
Frankly, I’m not all that sure who Republicans can field in a post-Trump party either. Guys like Rand were never all that popular in the first place, and the likes of Mitt Romney seem to be more their speed which, again, doesn’t actually appeal to the base even though they might appeal to the party itself.
This is part of how the political realignment takes place. It’s still going on, it’s just that the Goldbergites haven’t quite made the full switch to the Dems yet. They will after 2024, though, I guarantee it. Most of these people already live in blue areas and will simply make the full transition. The national sorting will continue to take place, and it’s going to start hitting state and local levels, too, as red areas seek to further break off from blue areas despite the latter’s efforts to prevent it from happening.
The Goldbergites will vote for whomever will pontificate about “ideas and beliefs” irrespective of what they actually deliver, as long as the Dems keep moving in the direction of going to war with Russia, which is what these assholes actually want more than anything else.
Whomever the GOP migrates to, like you said, is unknown, although it seems likely that Paul, Rubio, and DeSantis will try and take the mantle. Maybe other GOPers like Kemp or Youngkin will be in the mix, as they seem to be more politically astute. Or, it could be someone who’s completely unexpected.
For the Dems, if it’s not Newsom, Prtizker, or Whitmer, watch for Polis and Buttigieg to make a push. Especially Pothole Pete–he didn’t drop out of the race right after Clyburn’s endorsement and take the Transportation gig without making a strategic decision that it would set him up for a later run. There’s still issues in his lane, but they aren’t getting laid at his feet anymore now that he isn’t on an endless vacation. He made a deal, and he’s going to start calling in favors after 2024.
Frankly, I’m not all that sure who Republicans can field in a post-Trump party either. Guys like Rand were never all that popular in the first place, and the likes of Mitt Romney seem to be more their speed which, again, doesn’t actually appeal to the base even though they might appeal to the party itself.
I'm not so sure. They tried that with Haley, and she got smoked.
I’m not so sure. They tried that with Haley, and she got smoked.
Yeah, but that was at least partly due to Trump. After he is out of the picture, it remains to be seen what happens. I’d guess someone exactly the same as Haley or Romney but I won’t pretend to know that for sure.
I’m sure guys like Abbot or DeSantis would be interested, but they are probably not ‘centrist’ (RE: Left) enough for the RNC itself.
Fortunately, the RNC is not constructed from the top down and doesn’t actually get as much of a say in the process as the DNC does.
It’s ironic to me that the party that calls itself ‘democrat’ is almost entirely divorced from any democratic process, while a party that labels itself ‘republican’ is actually more in line with their base. Not actually in alignment, of course, just more so. Perhaps that’s damning with faint praise, but make of it what you will.
The Democrats, not surprisingly, don't run an honest primary system. Party insiders and super-delegates control the deciding votes. And they actively rearrange the primary calendar to favor the candidates with high name recognition, to prevent outsiders from developing a following. They even let one of the contestants (Biden) set the calendar this time.
Yes, those are some of the very things I was referring to. If you want to see how Democrats believe things should be run, refer to how they run themselves.
Why do you think it’s mutually exclusive to be both an oligarch(donor class) and a communist/fascist?
If you’re profitable from, oh let’s say, taxpayer subsidized rent, you’re still profitable. If you’re profitable because you manufacture windmills, then your windmills are mandated, you’re still profitable.
I’d go so far as to say the donor class are the ones promoting a green commie utopia on the proles.
One cannot be both a donor class member and an actual communist. One can certainly claim to be one, or be deluded enough to even believe it, but it's a classic case of cognitive dissonance if they do.
The 'Bourgeoisie Marxist' is another animal entirely and are reviled by even their supposed fellow travelers. One should not mistake them for actual communists or marxists unless they removed themselves from the donor class and spread their wealth around their commune, which just about zero of them have ever done.
I think it's more an internal struggle. And it combines with two issues
1: Since they have been campaigning on the platform of "protect democracy", putting out a candidate other than Biden after cancelling the primary looks bad. When their biggest talking point is that Trump will cancel elections, the fact that they cancelled an election cannot be overstated.
2: Putting out anyone but Harris would lose them a lot of minority votes. Trump is already pulling more black and Latino voters than his predecessors, and the only thing keeping them on Biden's side is history and propaganda. A slap in Harris's face would lose half of that.
On the other hand, Harris is deeply unpopular with a large number of demographics.
To be fair, even the big boys like Twitter had the fucking FBI in house telling them what news stories they could and couldn’t release.
This is something everybody seems to have forgotten about (ahem, Reason) in light of all this recent “if only the media hadn’t covered for Biden the Democrats wouldn’t have this serious problem” bullshit.
Exactly. The media (and social media companies) promoted those stories because they wanted to, and the government provided them with the templates. And if they showed reluctance about the ethical implications, like that Twitter exec did, the execrable Deep State jawboned them into going along.
Jawboning is totes okay cause it’s not force!!1!1!1!
Nice government contract you got there, be a shame if something happened to it...
"Just gotta give the sheep a couple weeks to forget prior programming"
Heh, amateurs. Our Sarckles can do that in the very next post.
Liz, what exactly earns that "far right" scaremongering from your "far left" propagandist ass?
Media propaganda works, on other media people as well. Repeat it enough and it becomes the truth.
You dont hear "far-left" for the variety of politician that thinks kids should be able to take cross sex hormones, wants universal healthcare/housing/food/everything, and to turn the streets into open air opium dens, those are just "progressive candidates". Push back against the above? Well then you are "reactionary, far right"
You don't even hear "far left" for avowedly Marxist academia.
Bernie and AOC are avowed socialists and aren’t ever called “far left.”
Yeah, that in particular has always galled me since neither of them are actually terribly representative of the actual Democrat party writ large.
It's also interesting that the media likes to fawn over the Bernie and AOC types despite them being far, far to the left of their own pretty darn leftist party. I suppose it goes to show just how far the Overton window has shifted and how far to the left politics in general has shifted.
One wonders if Stalin himself was running as a Democrat if he would earn a 'far left' label. One also wonders if Lincoln rose from the grave to run as a Republican again if he would be labeled as 'far right'.
It's time to be far right, or lose all freedom before eventually being replaced.
Marine Le Pen's far-right party, National Rally, didn't do as well as predicted in legislative elections yesterday.
Was it a last minute le surge of votes for the other side?
1st and 2nd Estates teaming up against the 3rd again.
But they won the PoPuLaR vOtE.
https://x.com/MendlovitzMark/status/1810289102157459643?t=KvXdlJBj-7hMshK1qTdtfA&s=19
"So the establishment united to block what it considers to be the ultimate horror–a sensible immigration policy. It is revealing, I think, that the French establishment was happy to unite with Communists rather than allow the “far right” to gain power. They certainly don’t want any extremists in the government!"
What is it about the establishment here and abroad, and its mad obsession with immigration? You have to really hate your fellow countrymen to want to replace them that badly.
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The hilarious part is that they had to ally with an openly anti-Jewish party to do so.
Chamber of commerce types and communists, islamists and zionists, moderates and extremists- all united together and teamed up to defeat the threat to unchecked invasion and replacement of the French people.
What is it about the establishment here and abroad, and its mad obsession with immigration? You have to really hate your fellow countrymen to want to replace them that badly.
It’s not so much about hating your fellow countrymen (which they certainly do) but more about importing a reliable, low information voter base. A base that’ll dependably keep pulling the lever for whatever incumbent the ruling party keeps putting up. It works great in California, and is part of the Democrats’ plan to shift places like Texas into blue states.
Of course, count on French progressives to fuck the scheme up.
Le matin deux dépôt de bulletins de vote.
Ve need more votes to stop le far-right threat.
Voici!
"tech startups as an industry do not show up in Washington D.C. and in the political system the way big companies do."
Guessing theses were the regs Mark Zuckerberg said were necessary. Though to be fair, Dodd Frank.
"Scenes from New York: Oysters keep dying instead of reproducing"
Oysters? Is that what we are calling the trannies now?
Shit would be appropriate! From Reason's link...
"Oysters, which can change genders, reproduce by releasing sperm and eggs."
Trannies are trying to do that too! How long till they succeed?
After the hot tub ogry.
After the eggs are laid and the sperm is sprayed.
They will abort the entire batch with a flush.
He added that the "Lord Almighty's not coming down."
Careful, Biden. Considering your condition, my guess is if the Lord Almighty finds time to intervene on your behalf, it won’t just be to remove you from office.
Never dare Death.
Finding a compromise candidate who could lead the next administration won't be easy...
France is on a trajectory. What reasonable Frog would want that stink on them?
"reasonable Frog"?
As the Germans would say, "Es gibt nicht."
Kermit?
What’s green and slimy and smells like bacon?
Oysters keep dying instead of reproducing...
Japanese social contagion! (That's right; I'm the next Alex Jones.)
Whatever is making the frogs gay - probably.
Global electoral fortification shown in France. Despite getting more votes, LePen party falls to 3rd after Macrons party teams with far left radicals to win with a smaller vote share.
The best part was the global media screaming about the far right populist party linking it to Nazi Germany. Meanwhile the group the left aligned with features Melenchon who is openly anti semetic and demanding the PM position for working with Macron.
Jean-Luc Melenchon is the leader of LFI, and in a 2017 speech called French Jews “an arrogant minority that lectures to the rest.” He is on record in an earlier speech as celebrating anti-Israel protesters days after some of them stormed a synagogue, condemning in that speech only French Jews who demonstrated to show solidarity with Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/no-future-for-jews-prominent-french-jews-decry-far-lefts-gains-in-vote/
And the playbook is out as Germany bans entire political party from owning guns and seeks to disallow them from all elections.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-afd-members-banned-owning-guns-new-court-ruling
All of this isn’t going to end well. At some point, those on the right will tire of the left’s antics, and then all bets are off.
You'll note in the article that the German government is using their spy agencies for these declarations. We see the same thing here with all the evidence of the FBI forcing any conservative members out through security clearance reviews.
Yeah, any decade now.
You know who else banned their political scapegoats from owning firearms?
Oh wait, it’s the same motherfuckers.
I’d definitely be making my exit plans if I was a Jew in France or Germany right now.
Although last I knew that riot in California a couple weeks ago where they attacked a bunch of Jews hasn’t resulted in any arrests, so that might be out too.
"The best part was the global media screaming about the far right populist party linking it to Nazi Germany."
The timeline really synced up in such a way that we have the very fun rhetoric of "We need to vote out these far right Nazi's and make sure they aren't in power so we can get back to the business of the eradication of the Jewish state"
This. It's a wild, strange ride when the people who like the Jews are called the anti-Semites, and the ones that want to destroy them are the very souls of tolerance and compassion.
This is the stupidest timeline.
Its certainly the most Orwellian one. If dude was alive, he would have been like "ya, this is pretty much what I was talking about"
Leftist riot despite whining plurality of seats.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/07/islamists-and-anti-israel-far-left-emboldened-after-defeat-of-le-pens-party/
What else are they going to do, go to work?
"Whining" leftists rioting is the norm now, unfortunately.
Don't know if "whining" was intentional or not, but it certainly fits as applied to the left, when you combine it with rioting.
Riots are the new Jam Band or Dead concerts. The subsidized class has to do something with all their free time.
Yeah, "beware the far-right! They might be anti-semitic, like they were 80 years ago!"
Meanwhile, the far left is openly anti-semitic right now, calling for the destruction of Israel and an expansion of the intifada worldwide.
It goes well with the left's warning that Trump might weaponize the justice system and do EXACTLY what they are doing now.
Natural landmarks like the Great Salt Lake are racist.
https://ksltv.com/659093/how-great-salt-lake-dust-impacts-people-of-color/
Salt is white meaning it's racist. Black people should only be allowed to use pepper when cooking
Other wording:
"POCs have problem with dustyness"
racist ass progressives
If a black is dusty, then he cant be clean and articulate
Something Something ashy skin.
Didn't have this problem when Utah was almost completely white Mormons.
Seems like this problem could be solved by not allowing Hispanic and Pacific Islander people to live near the GSL, at least not in concentrations that belie their fraction of the overall population.
Polls won't show much re Bidens decline here.
The voters who are strongly pro/anti Biden/Trump will continue to vote for those two long after death.
Those who can change their mind are far more likely to vote/not vote than to change their vote to someone else. Polls aren't really going to address that
Plus post immunity, a prez candidate with dementia, lobotomy, dead, etc is far more attractive to those who don't want an imperial president.
Cope harder.
a prez candidate with dementia, lobotomy, dead, etc is far more attractive to those who are also demented, i.e. Donkeys like JFrig
Lol. Brain dead leftists are still going with the imperial/authoritarian angle after watching Maddow.
Ford would no longer need to (or even contemplate) pardon Nixon now.
Not having immunity meant something. So does having immunity.
So do words; you ought to learn some.
Nixon had the first case in presidential immunity. Lol.
God damn jfree. Continue to demonstrate your intelligence.
Please cheer for locking political opponents up. May make people forget your pro covid authoritarianism.
All prez understood not having immunity and figuring out how to deal with it.
eg Thomas Jefferson in 1810 -
The question you propose, Whether circumstances do not sometimes occur which make it a duty in officers of high trust to assume authorities beyond the law, is easy of solution in principle, but sometimes embarrasing in practice. A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen: but it is not the highest. the laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. to lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property & all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means
What a dilemma. The Jefferson path:
an officer is bound to obey orders: yet he would be a bad one who should do it in cases for which they were not intended, and which involved the most important consequences. The line of discrimination between cases may be difficult; but the good officer is bound to draw it at his own peril, & throw himself on the justice of his country and the rectitude of his motives
Or the Nixon, Trump, Roberts/SC majority, your ilk, approach - Whatever the President does is legal simply because the President does it. So therefore the Prez need never be - and cannot be - questioned about the rectitude of their motives because that is executive privilege
A random letter from Thomas Jefferson waxing philosophic isn't settled legal precedent.
Hey, as a bullshitter, it's the best he could do.
No surprise you side with Nixon.
You of course have read the opinion and therefore know - it's entirely based on invented bullshit. One mention of a case involving CIVIL immunity for Nixon. One mention (literally two words) of Federalist 70 (which I'm sure you have also read and understand).
Fortunately - the historians who filed an amicus brief in this case have provided the ample originalist evidence of why the framers designed the executive to be accountable - not dictatorial. At some point, people may look at this opinion more seriously.
Hopefully it will only take a small abuse of 'energetic' and 'vigorous' Presidential power for this joke of a decision/majority to be revealed as one of the worst in SC history. Maybe something like the assassination - using Seal Team Six - of domestic enemies of the republic conspiring to create a monarchic presidency via the judiciary. That would be a very targeted abuse with positive long-term effects and a Jefferson type might well decide to put himself in peril and throw himself on the justice of the country and the rectitude of his motives. And everyone from the pro-immunity side to the peril side could agree and sing a round of Kumbayah.
Of course as I have said - perhaps we should instead undermine that opinion by electing a Prez that is anti-energetic. Perhaps a corpse.
So many choices in front of us.
No surprise you’re acting like a hysterical bitch again.
You of course have read the opinion and therefore know – it’s entirely based on invented bullshit.
The contention that the President could assassinate his political enemies and that he has total immunity in all things? Yes, completely invented bullshit by leftist media that you gleefully gulped down with relish.
Fortunately – the historians who filed an amicus brief in this case
Academics are mostly marxist vermin, therefore nothing they assert should be taken at face value.
The contention that the President could assassinate his political enemies and that he has total immunity in all things?
Nixon (via Charles Colson - with a young Roger Stone as one of the flunkies) ordered Daniel Ellsberg to be assaulted and shut up along with other anti-war demonstrators. They brought in some of the Cuban 'plumbers' and other wet work people to DC. It was to be done at a demonstration on May 3 1972 at the Capitol - while JEdgar Hoover was laying in state (and presumably some excuse re restoring civility/order/etc is the rationale). It didn't happen because it was too fast.
You may think there's some huge difference between assault to shut up and assassination to kill. But the fact is that once the line of blatant illegality is crossed, it becomes very easy for 'send those plumbers into the Watergate building instead. There's too much illegality that needs doing to do both.'
That's the line of illegality that you want to ensure a Prez can cross with no repercussions.
Academics are mostly marxist vermin, therefore nothing they assert should be taken at face value.
Yes I'm sure everyone who you disagree with is Marxist vermin. Their footnotes and sources from the 1780's etc are also from the Marxist vermin wing of founders. You can read can't you? Or is that also a Marxist vermin skill set?
All this rhetorical handwaving isn't making your case.
Yes I’m sure everyone who you disagree with is Marxist vermin. Their footnotes and sources from the 1780’s etc are also from the Marxist vermin wing of founders. You can read can’t you? Or is that also a Marxist vermin skill set?
You mean the selective footnotes and sources, like what Stevens did when he bitched about Scalia's decision in Heller? And most academics are, objectively, marxist vermin, as anyone who's attended academic conferences in the last 30 years can attest. The ones who aren't are the exception, not the rule.
Hahaha. Hey - at least you can keep repeating Marx. Yeah - that's the enemy. You're one of those windup rabbits banging a drum. There's Marx over there. Go bang your drum and scare it away.
You’re desperately flailing here since I’m not accepting your phony baloney parroting of left-wing hypotheticals.
With any luck, you'll be on Colfax and Broadway when that bomb finally drops.
As usual, Jefferson was right though.
Can you define good officer for us JFree? Because novel interpretation of criminal indictments against your political enemies is not an example.
Weird how you are defending this. Expected, but weird.
‘Good officer’? What word are you having trouble with?
Good? You might want to study a bit of ethics. Your cult leader never has.
Officer? Read the letter. Officer is simply officer of the United States. President specifically.
Course I’m sure you go along with the anti-originalist nonsense that the Prez isn’t really an officer of the United States because flimflambamboozlebullshit.
Oh - and there were plenty of ways for the SC to narrowly (meaning to eliminate the political/electoral motives rather than the criminal accountability) address any 'lawfare' issue
Inventing this absolute/presumptive immunity, killing all evidence, 'core' v 'official', shit. That was purely a Roberts deal. He was put on the court to provide a legal rationale for Bush to have the power to torture/etc as one of his war powers. This was the case to make it happen.
“…Your cult leader never has…”
You have a real problem with that concept known as “honesty”, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
I can see you refuse to answer the question and went full Maddow like retard lol.
Youre an authoritarian. Youre just exposing yourself here. Again. Expected. But weird.
HaHaHaHa. So you can’t even understand the definition of either word. Words must be so confusing to you.
Wow. Youre getting as retarded as jeff and sarc.
Try for once making a coherent argument. Pushing leftist narratives is not coherent.
You entirely miss the issue. Because of the politics you support. One of authoritarianism. I can't name a single authoritarian like act of thebstate you haven't supported. From covid to locking up political enemies on invented charges.
Nixon was granted civil immunity. Because unlike you the judges aren't retarded and understand the threat of criminalization of the executive. Congress already has an oversight power through impeachment. Funny you ignore that in your desire to make the US a 3rd world authoritarian state.
Nixon was granted civil immunity. Because unlike you the judges aren’t retarded and understand the threat of criminalization of the executive.
When judicial action is needed to serve broad public interests — as when the Court acts, not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance, cf. Youngstown Sheet Tube Co. v. Sawyer, supra, or to vindicate the public interest in an ongoing criminal prosecution, see United States v. Nixon, supra — the exercise of jurisdiction has been held warranted. In the case of this merely private suit for damages based on a President's official acts, we hold it is not
IT is Roberts who deliberately misinterpreted the above in order to create a CRIMINAL immunity. That criminal immunity is what places a Prez above the law. What turns the prez into a monarch (maybe an elected dictator).
It's no surprise that's what you MAGAMises types want. You're fascists. You love a strongman.
"Ford would no longer need to (or even contemplate) pardon Nixon now."
And why would he anyways? The FBI/CIA openly did worse to the Trump campaign than Nixon to the DNC. And the left cheered it on. Nixon's impeachment looks pretty benign in a world of Obama droning US citizens, Bush lying to get us into Iraq, Obama govt illegally spying on an opposing party campaign...
“Obama govt illegally spying on an opposing party campaign…”
…then continuing to spy on his administration after they take office then staging a coup…
Spying on the opposition party is so obviously not an official act, a retard like shrike could understand that.
dementia, lobotomy, dead,
Preferable to a Con Man who ran the most corrupt administration in history.
VOTE FOR THE DEMENTED CORPSE PEOPLE!
New Alex soros talking points out.
Alex's been posting hard all last week, but Shrike being lazy is only getting to them now and isn't reading the whole thing.
Must be certifiable though. Biden has to take the test - and fail - so he continue on and succeed
Poor turd! His fave turns out to be as imbecilic as turd.
Nah. Turd is still more retarded as Turd favored the imbecile.
"Preferable to a Con Man who ran the most corrupt administration in history."
Notice how turd makes a general statement here, absent any evidence whatsoever and assumes that someone might believe it.
To anyone not familiar with turd, let me assure you that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
“will continue to vote for those two long after death.”
Well the dead will vote for one of those for sure, just like they do every election (mostly in Chicago).
What is an imperial president?
If you are referring to recent SCOTUS ruling, then you should consider the ruling applies to any POTUS. Not just Trump.
The closest thing to an imperial president would be the use of executive orders to do things Congress has not authorized as a run around Congress. Including the use of agencies under the executive for that affect.
I'm assuming a dead, demented, or lobotomized Prez wouldn't be making all the energetic vigorous decisions that Roberts explicitly wants Prez to make so that he is shielded from repercussions.
Only the Prez has the immunity. Everyone else has to rely on being pardoned by the - dead, lobotomized, demented - Prez.
The media continues to gaskight as multiple journalists claim media is anti Biden and pro Trump.
https://x.com/Outkick/status/1809975374782087205
This is what I was saying above, I just thought it would take at least a few weeks for them to flip so quick. Damn, faster than I thought, but talking point exactly as predicted.
I was seeing a ton of stuff on Reddit that CNN and MSNBC are basically Fox news now, and are leaning hard republican, the CNN debate was biased against Biden (despite him basically laying out the rules), etc.
They really are landing on "if you dont push propaganda and are not a marx simp, you are right wing"
Whatever wing, if you don't push the party's propaganda than you are undesirable and should be shunned.
The most telling moment in Animal Farm was when the animals came out and saw Squealer literally changing the words of one of the commandments in the middle of the night. And they went along with it.
This is what we are seeing right now.
Akin to "We have always been at war with Eastasia".
"Gender and sex have always been distinct and its always been understood they have little to do with one another"
"The most telling moment in Animal Farm was when the animals came out and saw Squealer literally changing the words of one of the commandments in the middle of the night. And they went along with it."
ABC has changed the manuscript of the Stephanopoulos interview from "goodest" to "good as", which still doesn't make sense.
The commentariat responding to Washington Post articles about Biden’s problems are branding the Post as Right Wing MAGA. But they still read it.
Once again Marie le pen is not far right. Just because the left views anyone opposed to Marxism as far right doesn't make it true. Please stop lying
WURD said in a statement on Sunday that 'agreeing to a predetermined set of questions jeopardizes' its listeners' trust.
Is this what we're doing now? Pretending suddenly to have journalistic credibility?
Yes. That's the play. Flood the algorithm with "we are honest and true covering Biden and calling balls and strikes" until the sheep recalibrate their sensors
not the sheep - the search engines and AI language models
they are made to look over all the 'acceptable' (read - lefty proggy) internet to train themselves to be able to gaslight people as well as the press do
Just establishing a beachhead for their next greatest candidate ever.
Wurd up.
Latino democrats increase number supporting birder control. This must be xenophobic also.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3072394/growing-number-latino-democrats-support-more-control-border/
Not surprising to people who have lived in places like LA and San Diego, and know what OSL’s think about illegals.
The Dems are placing illegals in the subsidized or public housing project areas. It’s one of those mafia realities, if you take something free from the mob, it’s really not free. Strings attached 🙂
Joe Biden's excessive reliance on teleprompters...
Learned it from his old boss.
Maybe true, but O's default was at least to be able to have a conversation, even if that conversation was a holier than though lecture on not appreciating his genius.
Biden defaults to drooling mouth agape, with the oldest of old man squinty stares without the prompter
Obama (and Bill Clinton) were gifted politicians, even if I disagreed with most of their policies. But Biden just seems to be a guy who has failed upward for his whole career.
When one is being carried by the overwhelming majority of narrative creators its much easier to be viewed as 'gifted politicians'.
All your warts are covered or excused... all your most modest achievements are exaggerated to Olympian proportion
Why is it than when Obama used a teleprompter, you lot went crazy, but when Bush 2 or Trump used one, it was okay?
You're really trying that, you slimy pile of lefty shit?
No, it's not using a teleprompter that's the issue, it the inability to engage in any verbal exchange WITHOUT one, asshole.
Why are liberals agreeing with what Bush 2 or Trump use to do?
Cite?
Recent Bloomberg/Morning Consult polls in swing states have Biden performing better than he has been—a recent uptick—but only in Wisconsin and Michigan, which simply isn't enough.
Union members are very reliable; they vote the way they are told to vote. Even if the candidate is a corpse, they will vote for it. As long as it's a Democrat.
Didn't Trump get a large share of the Union vote in the first election after Hillary sunk their preferred candidate Sanders?
To be fair [if I can believe the reporting] that has been some rupture of union block voting, but as organizations the Teamsters still support Biden, as does the UAW and of course AFSME the American Federation of Teachers.
I doubt this is going to change anytime soon, though I am encouraged by reports of individual members following their conscience vs their organizations directives as to how they should vote.
I don't doubt Biden gets more support from the Union heads, he's been their kinda of Dem for years. And part of the reason the Dems pushed Joe was to get the support back from the union members. Whether Trump gets back the member support is the interesting question this time around after Biden first term being what it is.
Ps. Above in ref to Teamsters and manufacturing unions. Teachers and other public sector are 99% in the bag for Joe.
The Dems didn't "push" Joe early in 2020. They just realized none of their other candidates had the name recognition to beat Trump, and a lot of low-information voters thought "Obama-Biden", so their only chance to win was to increase turnout among low-information voters. Miraculously, their prayers were answered with vote-by-mail.
Those polls aren't real. They are having to churn over whatever portion of the sample they polled as 'less likely to vote now'.
You post that as if you are other than a bullshitter; prove it, or STFU.
He only accepts polls of people who are masked and vaccinated as respondents.
I could make a remark about other types of poles that JFree accepts, but I’m taking the high road.
ISWYDT.
Rally around Biden, the right-wing media is trying to say he's not mentally sharp anymore....
If vast swaths of the media had stopped being so accommodating toward Biden earlier, and actually done their jobs, we might not be in this late-stage swap-out situation.
The one downside to a captured corporate press.
+1
The dead soldiers in Kabul and the meat, money, and munitions blender in the Donbas were completely unavoidable but, thankfully, this issue was covered with enough time for the DNC to maybe save face before Nov.
Radio host resigns after publicly saying she was fed questions by the WH for an interview.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3072394/growing-number-latino-democrats-support-more-control-border/
…after an explosion in demand for unauthorized flavored vapes since last year,” reports Bloomberg.
It’s an underground rave in your mouth and everyone’s coming.
"If the Lord Almighty came down and said, 'Joe, get out of the race,' I'd get out of the race,"
Forgive him everyone, he is just remembering his time in France in service to the court of Louis XVI.
The anti-startup bias that is increasingly pervasive across the American government...
Maybe start up right on K Street, you might have a chance.
Hey, the DC metro area weathered the recession better than anyone else, they must have a lot of great workers there....
" If vast swaths of the media had stopped being so accommodating toward Biden earlier, and actually done their jobs, we might not be in this late-stage swap-out situation."
That was their job; cover for Democrats/ keep Trump out BANM. They were broken before Trump, now they're irreparable, and will need government funding more than even in order to stay in business.
Big picture: If vast swaths of the media had stopped being so accommodating toward Biden earlier, and actually done their jobs, we might not be in this late-stage swap-out situation.
Liz... know you weren't here in 2019, but bad form yo call out your colleagues like this.
From the oyster article:
At one point, Pearl Street in Lower Manhattan was paved with oyster shells. By the 1880s, there were 220,000 acres of oyster beds in New York Harbor, though the population had already depleted substantially, according to a report by the EPA. In 1927, the last commercial oyster bed in New York City closed. Overharvesting and pollution destroyed the aquatic filter feeders.
Restoring the oysters is not easy, and the rate of return is low. Matt Hare, a Cornell University professor who works with the project, said there’s no clear evidence yet that the oysters they’re planting are reproducing on their own.
At some point you have to ask if the juice is worth the squeeze. Most environmental superfund sites are worth cleaning up. But New York is a dump and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Why spend millions of dollars that won’t work, and even if it does it will turn New York from 100% a dump to 98% a dump. Whoop-di-do.
..no clear evidence yet that the oysters they’re planting are reproducing on their own.
Shouldn’t have used gay oysters.
They're bi... valves. And it sounds more like the problem is that *ahem* the water is too cold.
Global Warming will fix it.
But by then Manhattan will be underwater. I've seen the graphics in the New York Times.
Just for the record, part of Darwin's theory is extinction of a species that can't keep up with changes.
What's wrong with returning New York to it's 19th century state?
Sounds like a prudent and reasonable idea to me. Reforest it and hand it back to the Lenapehoking.
That would be 17th century.
There doesn’t seem to be a lot of income inequality in those pictures. I think leftist would be just fine with the great leap backwards we’re heading towards.
"Progress"ives always seem to want to roll technology and civilization backward a few centuries, for some reason. More trains, less people. More hunger and starvation, less modern conveniences. As long as they still get Netflix.
Why is the pundit class so desperate to push Biden out of the race?
Because they think he's going to lose for certain and that frightens and angers them?
"Yes, Biden had a bad debate – but so did Trump. The media is once again repeating the mistakes of 2016"
The Graunaid has the best supply of copium.
Yes, and they know that unlike last time with Hillary, when they could fall back on Hillary making the wrong campaign moves or the country being racist, the most glaringly obvious cause for why they lost was they gaslit the public (the retarded part) so bad and then lost the game when everyone saw him on stage. They will be the primary source of blame, and they know it.
Now, they will lie about it and deflect, but they know in their hearts that everyone will know what they did
the best supply of copium.
I think you mean the goodest supply.
Last month, the dictionaries would have all been immediately rewritten so that goodest "was always a word".
Remember ebonics? Good times.
it always was ... in EastAsia
Biden is seizing on the Marxist zeal of his far-left supporters: "the elitists want me to drop out, comrades!"
Judge halts that LNG thing shrike swears Biden is not doing.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/07/federal-judge-slams-brakes-on-biden-energy-departments-pause-on-lng-permits/
Spittin' tabaccy rig count proves it isn't happening.
Reason favorite Matty Yglesias starts to cover his lying ass:
I was wrong about Biden
The worst feeling in the world
"I was, of course, aware that Joe Biden was old and showed signs of aging. I was aware that the need to manage his energy level meant maintaining a more limited roster of public events than a typical president, to say nothing of a president running for reelection."
Of course it's all those MAGA-far-right-extremist-Republican-stupid-leftist-assholes fault because NYT narrative:
"But I was also aware that a large share of the video “evidence” of Biden’s incapacity was flagrantly clipped or cropped to give a dishonest impression. I was also aware that both Republicans and leftists had been insisting that Biden’s brain was cooked since 2019"
Biden's condition was blatantly obvious to anyone with eyeballs in 2020. That he was in full blown senile dementia, and they were just drugging him and dragging him around like a meat puppet.
When people like Yglesias claim that they didn't know, they're lying.
Anyway, read the whole thing. It's an exercise in high-tier chemjeffery with gems like this:
"he’d accomplished an awful lot — winning the primary and the general election, passing two big partisan bills plus two big bipartisan ones plus several smaller deals, adding Finland and Sweden to NATO — for a guy who was allegedly incapable of doing the job."
"...When people like Yglesias claim that they didn’t know, they’re lying..."
It is possible that simple imbecility (of which he is well endowed) might suffice.
while also claiming it was Biden who did these things rather than the poor saps that had to have hands and arms up that puppets butt oin order to manipulate his signatures on documents he had he had no idea of the contents
Everyone who disagrees with you is a liar because they know the truth. Everyone knows the truth. So if they say they are or were wrong, they're really lying because they know the truth. No one is wrong. Everyone is either in agreement with you or they are lying.
It is possible Yglesias is telling the truth. But people like Yglesias really have two options here.
1. He's telling the truth, he had no idea about Biden's mental decline-- which makes him a drooling retard of such monumental proportions, that he should never be taken seriously again.
2. He's lying and did know... which... well, I think you can guess what goes here:
I mean with ML specifically. To him no one is wrong. They are telling the truth or they are lying. Period. Because everyone knows the truth. Everyone. And everyone knows his point of view is the only point of view. That means that anyone who disagrees is a liar because they know the truth and they know his point of view is the correct one.
Talking about people, not ideas.
Fuck you, DNC shill.
Anyone who has ever known any senior with dementia would have noticed all the signs in Joe back in 2018.
Rick is right, if they say they didn't they are either liars or idiots.
In your case, you are both. And while you disagree about the drunken idiot bit, and you think you're a genius with an internet test proven IQ score of 140, we both know that you are definitely a liar.
Anyone who has ever known any senior with dementia would have noticed all the signs in Joe back in 2018.
Did you read the first sentence of what you quoted in your original post? I don't think you did.
Poor sarc. Must suck being so retarded that you keep falling for corporate media shilling for democrats.
"Did you read the first sentence of what you quoted in your original post? I don’t think you did."
I don't think YOU did. Yglles tries to pass what was obviously dementia even five years ago, as low energy.
"Because everyone knows the truth. Everyone. And everyone knows his point of view is the only point of view."
RE: Biden's dementia, yes, absolutely, correct.
Everyone who didnt bury their head in the sand knew the truth, its really just a matter of sorting out what their brain defect is exactly.
RE: Biden’s dementia, yes, absolutely, correct.
Oh come on. Even when Biden was much younger, he was prone to say gaffes and sometimes strange things. So in 2020, when Joe would say gaffes and strange things, it wasn't taken necessarily as a sign of dementia, but as "Joe being Joe". That is a completely understandable position to take given Biden's long history.
Frankly I think you're trying to retcon recent history and trying to take a victory lap on an unearned victory, that "everyone should have known he had dementia the whole time, and they were lying to us by not telling us", when there are completely valid, sincere, good faith reasons to believe that he didn't have dementia in the past, but was just being an old man doing old man things.
An absolute lie. Everyone knew.
Only stupid fucking idiots like you absolutely bought it. Which makes you a schmuck.
Go hit up George Takei for some more propaganda.
No, it is retconning on your team's part, to try to turn good faith rationales into bad-faith lies in a post-hoc manner.
People right here. Right here in the Reason comments, were pointing Biden’s overt senility out back in 2019 when his name was first brought forwarded, you lying, retconning fuck. And I know you remember that.
And you know what? Everyone here who was here in 2019 and 2020 remembers that too. You're not tricking a soul.
You’re so mind-blowingly dishonest.
He’s a lying bitch and he knows it.
Well, this is what you do - slyly twist the actual argument into something similar and argue against that, and hope that people don't notice.
OF COURSE your team is going to call Biden every name in the book regardless of whether it is true or false. No one disputes that and I don't really care.
I'm talking about people who are not on your team, who gave good-faith plausible explanations for Biden's state in the past, that your team is NOW trying to retcon as "well, akshually, they knew all along he had dementia and they were lying their asses off." That might be true for some, but I don't think that is true in the main - as I explained, Biden has a long history of making gaffes even when he was younger.
So citing people on your team believing that he had dementia, to try to explain why everyone else should have just accepted your team's claims at the time, is not terribly persuasive.
And I'll just note, that as more people not on your team now realize that Biden has significant cognitive issues, that your team can't help but be sore winners on the topic.
Instead of saying "finally you agree with me!", you have to now try to rewrite the past to denounce them as liars in the past. You can't accept someone who sincerely changed his/her mind; either that person must agree with you from the start, or was a liar the whole time the person wasn't agreeing with you. You have no room for someone who sincerely changes his/her mind.
That is just one reason why your team ought to be rejected. You do not stop at agreement; you demand total submission. It is not enough to agree with you; you demand that others must be just like you.
Instead of saying “finally you agree with me!”, you have to now try to rewrite the past to denounce them as liars in the past.
Of course they do. This is pure emotion. These guys HATE those who disagree with them. It’s visceral, as in they can FEEL it. So they have to lie, lie, and then lie some more in order to justify what they feel. They have to. It’s a biological imperative. It's as strong as the urge to reproduce.
ML correct. And its obvious in videos from the time. Yes Biden is worse now than in 2020 (he's getting exponentially worse). But check out 2010 compared to 2020, or even 2016 vs 2020. It is very obvious he was entering dementia territory, and no amount of "muh gaffes/stutter" retcon can hide that.
And yes, it was hammered home here in the comments daily. I mean shit Trump named him Sleepy Joe for a reason...
For the modern Right, it is truly about identity, not ideas or policy. The goal is to create an America with a homogeneous cultural identity. So migrants are not welcome here, because they have the wrong identity. People who change their mind, but who don't fully embrace the American cultural ideal that the modern Right demands, they are deceitful and liars. Only those who will totally submit to the right-wing culture narrative are to be accepted.
"Instead of saying “finally you agree with me!”"
Ya, you dont get the kumbaya moment after years of purposeful lying, gaslighting, and obfuscating to hold on to power.
We told you that you were driving drunk, with no GPS, without your glasses, in the fog, and you told us "STFU, I know exactly where I am, exactly where we are going, and actually you are an ageist bigot for trying to correct me, thank you very much, adults in charge". Now that you ended up crashing into a lamp post in the wrong town and totaling the car, we dont get to play the "aw shucks, I guess we DO agree the driver was incompetent, dangerous, a liar, or some combination of the above!" We are going to take kick you in the balls and take your keys.
I said in 2020, after just witnessing my grandmother die with it, that he had all the fucking signs of early to mid dementia and that it was fucking wrong to be making him run.
So no, it was patently obvious to anyone with half a modicum of knowledge and integrity. Sorry, you don’t get to be like “we didn’t know!”
Ya, you dont get the kumbaya moment after years of purposeful lying, gaslighting, and obfuscating to hold on to power.
And then act like a victim when that behavior is called out.
For the modern Right, it is truly about identity, not ideas or policy.
To repeat:
“(The centrists) are anti-culture globalists who stupidly believe that the philosophies of the Enlightenment are universal, rather than the product of a very specific time and cultural construct that allowed them to happen in the first place. They promote “ideas” and “policies” as the only things that matter, stubbornly refusing to acknoweldge that, without a culture that supports such things, those “ideas” are nothing more than a gold statue propped up on feet of clay. Because when the culture is destroyed, so are the ideas and policies.”
If someone changes their mind about something they must be forever punished for their unforgivable wrongthink. Nothing is worse than wrongthink. Anyone guilty of wrongthink must be treated as a pariah forever. There is no forgiveness, no absolution, and no joining of the rightthink tribe. Once a wrongthink, always a wrongthink.
With every follow-up post you continue to prove me right. To your team there is no such thing as ‘good faith disagreement’, there is no such thing as merely “changing one’s mind”. Instead the only solution is to repent and beg for mercy and forgiveness at the altar of the right-wing narrative.
You all really do not want to be in the same country as those who disagree with you, even if that disagreement has no bearing on your actual life. Those who disagree are not just wrong, but heretics who must be burned.
Once a wrongthink, always a wrongthink.
Yup, because it is not about ideas or beliefs, it is about IDENTITY. One may not merely change beliefs; one must totally submit to a brand new identity in order to be accepted.
With every follow-up post you continue to prove me right. To your team there is no such thing as ‘good faith disagreement’, there is no such thing as merely “changing one’s mind”. Instead the only solution is to repent and beg for mercy and forgiveness at the altar of the right-wing narrative.
LOL, please. With every sophistic deflection, you continue to prove me right. You're not doing anything other than acting exactly like the Democrats have done.
chemjeff and Dems, pre-debate: There's absolutely nothing wrong with Joe! He's completely stable and alert!
chemjeff and Dems, post-debate: Oh shit, there really is something wrong this guy, how do we get him out of there?
Followed by a bunch of disingenuous whining about "bad faith" despite running the exact same line as the Democrats in that span. It's nothing more than deflection, similar to that media bitch who called for a "pandemic amnesty" in the wake of the left's COVID authoritarianism finally being obliterated.
Of course, you were pissed about Oberlin being rightly punished for trying to maliciously drive Gibson's Bakery out of business and dismissed actual boots on the ground reporting on the case because it happened to come from a right wing source, so that's hardly a surprise. You do always love taking left-wing media at face value.
If someone changes their mind about something they must be forever punished for their unforgivable wrongthink.
It's no more honest a contrition than this bullshit:
"LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY
Let’s focus on the future, and fix the problems we still need to solve."
"chemjeff and Dems, pre-debate: There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Joe! He’s completely stable and alert!
chemjeff and Dems, post-debate: Oh shit, there really is something wrong this guy, how do we get him out of there?"
Jeff and Sarcasmic seem to operate under the assumption that they are appealing to an audience who has never been here before and has no idea that their narratives pivot on a dime.
It was obvious to everyone but you.
It was obvious to Jeff. He’s just doing his most absolute favoritist thing in the world to do… lying.
With Jeff never ascribe stupidity alone to what he says. Dishonesty is always a motive with him.
Lol. Jeff you do wrap your parody in an earnest skinsuit sometimes, I’ll give ya that.
The club of people who actually believe both that fauci didn’t know it was a lab leak in March 2020, and the press didn’t know biden was a vegetable years ago must be vanishingly small. To say nothing of liars like KJP.
Fuck that chunky, charming, chubby cheeked, cherubic, cheapfake chia chick.
I’m not defending the guy by a long shot here. I will say that his cognitive functions have been in a sharp, observable decline in recent months/years. He was never the sharpest tack and prone to saying stupid shit, but he was never this bad.
Those with Biden Derangement Syndrome (BDS) who are claiming he was always this bad are lying sacks of shit and they know it.
Again, not defending the guy. I just don’t like retconning liars.
I see you just snatched a Lying Jeffy talking point. People were saying that right here in 2019 and I know you know that too, just like Jeffy.
So you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to cook my time tonight and go back to the 2019 comments and find where people were saying that and you were squawking that he wasn’t, and chase you and Jeffy around with them for the next week.
Have fun. If you do find post of 'sarcasmic' defending Biden, be sure to check if they are actually me or not. You wouldn't want to repeat that embarrassment when you accused me of being a sock, when you had actually discovered I was being socked. Man, that must have been shameful.
Haaaa ha ha ha ha! Like you know what shame is. That would require having an honest bone in your body, which you proudly lack.
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He’s a bird, singing to his potential conservative mates. Give him a break. Saying “Fuck Joe Biden” on these comments is his only chance of getting laid.
How did you know what I named your bookmark?
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What about the blind hatred for Biden in these comments? Seems like a majority of the people here start the day with the “Fuck Joe Biden” prayer. Why is that warranted while anyone who says “Boo” about Trump is accused of Trump Derangement Syndrome?
"If you do find post of ‘sarcasmic’ defending Biden"
Ha ha ha, look at you trying to move the goalposts now that I called you out, shill.
Anyway, here you go, Shithead.
It was easier than thought. Almost every single article has dozens of people saying he's senile or has dementia.
Just randomly starting with 2019:
NoVaNick 5 years ago
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If it was obvious that Trump is not going to be re-elected, I would say that Biden is probably the least bad of the democrats who could replace him because he is too senile and stupid to do much damage. Also I don’t think there is any way he would get a second term.
Hattori Hanzo 4 years ago
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It is a lose-lose proposition for Biden. Looks a coward if he does not debate, puts his senility out in the open if he does debate.
Ra’s al Gore 4 years ago
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I hope Biden melts down so badly it can’t be spun, just so I can spend the next 4 years saying the left wasn’t cheated out of an election; they nominated a vegetable.
Gray_Jay 4 years ago
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I hope this hasn’t been a rope-a-dope by Team Biden. I can see them managing his dementia, yet preparing Joe with whatever diabolical cocktail will enable him to look coherent for 90 minutes.
If he comes out looking healthy, alert, and glowing, it’s not good for Trump.
I think this is a low probability possibility, but one Trump’s team should be prepared for.
R Mac 4 years ago
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I could see them pulling it off once, but 3 times?
Gray_Jay 4 years ago
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There won’t be three debates. Not this late in the game. Might not be two.
Apollonius 4 years ago
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They already HAVE asked that question, and decided that the answer is “no.”
They’re not even sure that they could keep him sufficiently doped up to LOOK competent for 90 minutes.
Muzzled Woodchipper 4 years ago
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If Biden is as bad off as most of us suspect, is it anything less than very very sad that in a year when their only goal is to rid the land of Trump, and they have 100% backing from the media, social media companies, and most of the rest of the world, that Biden is the best they could muster?
Gray_Jay 4 years ago
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Sad for them. Great for us.
All they had to do—assuming she’d have gone along with it—was to have no Democratic Party Primary overall winner on the first ballot. Then nominate Michelle Obama as Prez, Bernie as Veep. That likely wins, as messed up as 2020 is.
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To be honest, I do not want to see an old man humiliated. That is not right. But the fact is, he affirmatively made his choice. And now he must accept the consequences. I expect the debates to be brutal.
People talking about drugging Biden so he could perform in the 2020 debate:
Ra’s al Gore 4 years ago
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Biden will be hopped up on amphetamines and his angry rambling will be spun as “standing up to a bully”.
The fun part should be hour 2, when the drugs wear off. Biden’s, not mine.
Gray_Jay 4 years ago
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I wonder if an implantable drug pump could be modified to give him whatever L-Dopa/Amphetamine/Adenocrome/Thymus Gland ripped bodily from a screaming 6 year old, his doctors think could maintain the required mental state for the debate?
‘No, the Candidate will not be available for questions from the media immediately following…’
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The other strategy will be for Trump to expose Joe’s dementia, without attacking it and appearing cruel – just give Joe enough rope to hang himself…of which he is more than capable. FUcker can’t even read a prepared script without making some kind of error.
But I don’t know if Trump is smart enough for that…because intelligence/judgment and DJT aren’t even in the same area code. Fucking dumbass.
Don’t look at me! 4 years ago
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Don’t know about that. Calling for drug tests before the debates was brilliant.
Nardz 4 years ago
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Absolutely
Rich 4 years ago
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“As part my opening statement, I’m going to submit to a drug test. Joe, will you join me in being open and honest with the American People?”
Even Tony noticed everyone was calling Joe Senile back then:
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And a thousand “libertarian” race war boners just went floppy. Did you expect him to go Mad King Joe and urge the scary blacks to burn it all?
The level of political malpractice on the Trump side is, well, I guess pretty much as expected. Claim Biden is in the final throes of dementia, so expectations become “get through a speech without drooling,” and Biden does just that.
Retards. All Republicans are dumb retards. Ironically that’s why Russia helps them win despite themselves.
You mean Trump supporters in the comments were parroting Trump?
CALL GUINNESS!!!!
You mean we were being accurate and not repeating DNC lies? Just like every other fucking story you've been wrong on?
"Again, not defending the guy. I just don’t like rEtCoNninG liars."
Or, and walk with me here, we’re all individuals with eyes and ears who could see the signs of dementia.
But yeah, Trump controls everyone’s brains.
To be fair, sarc has been wrong on most topics since 2016. He claims information changes. Yet always changes to what his enemies have been saying for years. But they are the conspiracy theorists according to sarc.
That's not true, JesseAz!
Sometimes Sarc claims that he was sockpuppeted and it wasn't him making the post at all. Instead, it was ML, Tulpa, etc.
Then there are the times Sarc will claim that while you quoted him word for word, what he wrote isn't what he meant, and you need to interpret what he wrote differently. But if you do that, then you are putting words in his mouth that he didn't say.
You just need to realize, that whatever evidence you portray of Sarc saying something, you're wrong.
Yeah….. that’s your mantra because you can’t address the issue at hand. As usual. You’re angry that your guy is going down in flames so you’re lashing out (drunkenly no doubt) and raving.
No one takes you seriously here. So keep raving all you want. It doesn’t matter. You don’t matter.
Say what you want but two things were obvious.
1. Biden's mental decline
2. People's willingness to put their head in the sand for #1.
Lying to yourself is still lying.
They hate Trump so much no lie is off the table.
The national news media were saying Biden was fine just two weeks ago. Not because they thought it was true, but because that's what they were told to say, or that not saying it might help the candidate they oppose.
What do you call it when someone points out the truth of something years before people finally admit it?
You know who else’s lying was willfully ignored by stupid people?
(Starts with F)
When people like Yglesias speak or type for public consumption, they’re lying.
“he’d accomplished an awful lot — winning the primary and the general election, passing two big partisan bills plus two big bipartisan ones plus several smaller deals, adding Finland and Sweden to NATO — for a guy who was allegedly incapable of doing the job.”
This is gaslighting in the extreme. Whatever one thinks of Biden's "accomplishments", it wasn't Biden that accomplished anything, it was his administrative handlers. So if you like what the Biden admin has done over the last 4 years, praise a pack of Zoomer Interns.
As long as recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel or negotiating the Abraham Accords isn't the standard to which he's held. That's what matters.
"“But I was also aware that a large share of the video “evidence” of Biden’s incapacity was flagrantly clipped or cropped to give a dishonest impression."
Pretty weird, I cant think of a context where talking about a convo with a (long dead) world leader you had yesterday, or raspy mumbling a string of syllables that sound like your brain is doing the equivalent of death-pooping-its-pants, is appropriate for the leader of the free world, but hey, im just apparently a racist deplorable
You're right, the RNC would never dishonestly edit video of Biden to make him seem worse than he actually is.
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34X9326
Cope you fat bitch.
"It's okay if our team does it"
Except the video wasn’t “deceptively edited”. It wasn’t fucking edited at all.
Your lying "fact check" article pulls one 30 second zoom in off of Twitter and implies that the actual video that was being shared by millions was the fucking same.
Anyone reading it with even the slightest bit of care would realize that their claims are not backed up in their explanation.
How monumentally fucking dishonest. Your fucking party organs are just as corrupt and dishonest as you.
This is you trying to lawyer and nitpick the issue in order to avoid the larger point.
They took one still shot out of a much longer video and published it in isolation, devoid of context, to create a misleading narrative about Biden "wandering away", when in fact, he had his head momentarily turned away to watch some parachutists who just landed.
Rather than address this substantive question, you want to nitpick about whether a video was actually edited or not. Is this why you are paid fifty cents from the RNC?
Your explanation is bullshit. He was confused and wandering. We’ve all seen the video. There was no editing. And it’s not like this is the only one. Or only one of a dozen.
This isn’t new. Everyone but marxist propagandists like you knew this back in 2019.
"This is you trying to lawyer and nitpick the issue in order to avoid the larger point."
also
"How dare you refute my lying propaganda by actually watching the video and telling us facts about it!"
You understand that this video that you are defending is straight from the Trump campaign, right? It is literal political propaganda.
The actual video, with full context, shows that Biden turned his back to the rest of the group momentarily to give the "thumbs up" to parachutists who had just landed. He didn't "wander away". But the video that you are defending, again which comes straight from Trump HQ, crops the video and does not show the full context of what happened.
So do you want to know why more people didn't adopt your thesis from the start about Biden's cognitive decline? Because of dishonest stunts like this.
“You understand that this video that you are defending is straight from the Trump campaign, right?”
You understand that even though they shared it, they didn’t film it or edit it… at all, right?
Of course you do, but you’re a fucking liar, so here we are.
See, this is exactly what you want. You want to have a nitpicking discussion about what it actually means to “edit” a video. Is cropping a video and taking a selected clip out of a much larger video, does that constitute “editing”? And by so doing, it derails the entire conversation and lets you off the hook from your fifty-centing behavior of defending Trump at all costs. So I’m not going to play that autistic game with you.
The Trump campaign took a short clip of a much longer video, out of context, and spread it around to try to make a dishonest claim about Biden “meandering away”, when the full video shows a much different picture. And you defend this as if there is nothing wrong, because you are a fifty-centing shill.
Video editing is the process of manipulating and rearranging video shots.
No one edited the fucking video, Lying Jeffy.
You and the AFP are knowingly and purposefully lying.
He didn't just turn and give them the thumbs up, he walked over and started talking to them, asking where the rally point was and if they thought Hitler would be ready for them. Then he told them about the time he parachuted into Manassas in the Civil War and single-handedly defeated Stonewall Jackson.
This is you trying to lawyer and nitpick the issue in order to avoid the larger point.
This is hilariously unself-aware even for you.
This is you trying to lawyer and nitpick the issue in order to avoid the larger point.
YOU AND THE APF LIED! END OF STORY.
There was no editing at all. Deceptive or no.
It's not "nitpicking" to point out that your main claim is a total and utter fucking lie.
Why did the Trump campaign post a video of Biden supposedly "meandering away" when the full video shows no such thing?
Why do you defend this video as if there is nothing wrong or deceitful about it?
Commenting on a video is not "editing" it by any metric you lying piece-of-shit.
Not even the kids on the short bus are going to fall for what you are trying to pull here.
Well, that president chick felt like she needed to go corral the old man and bring him back into the group. Was that a cheapfake, Jeff? Maybe she just wanted to make him look bad?
God damn you are fucking lost.
…make him seem worse than he actually is.
Implies agreement that some is wrong with Biden.
Jeff and the AFP are lying, purposefully and deliberately. The video that was being widely shared was not edited in any way.
Speaking of lying, yesterday I challenged you to acknowledge one time where Trump lied about a substantive issue during the debate. Can you do it? CNN claims to have found 30 examples of Trump lying during the debate. I had no problems at all noting several times where Biden lied during the debate. Can you admit just one single solitary time where Trump lied, on a substantive matter? Just one?
CNN ‘notes’ a lot of things about Trump where CNN has been shown to lie. So CNN isn’t anywhere close to a reliable source. We’ve also all pointed out, literally hundreds of times over the years, where YOU lie.
ML, I note that you haven't yet responded to this comment, while you have responded to others in this timeframe. Why not?
"ML, I note that you haven’t yet responded to this comment, while you have responded to others in this timeframe. Why not?"
Because my job isn't fifty-centing in comment threads and sometimes I have to quit declaiming liars to do it, you deceitful fuck.
Trump did not lie during the debate. Not once.
Longer answer just below.
Trump did not lie during the debate. Not once.
oh, I'm bookmarking that one. Proves quite clearly that you are the fifty-center politruk around here, doing nothing more than carry water for your team.
So, this is what ML thinks is not a lie:
Trump:
We have a border that’s the most dangerous place anywhere in the world – considered the most dangerous place anywhere in the world.
So, ML evidently thinks that border communities such as El Paso and San Diego are more dangerous than real shithole places like Haiti and Guatemala. Heck, even New Orleans and Baltimore have higher murder rates than San Diego or El Paso.
Trump:
51 years ago, you had Roe v. Wade, and everybody wanted to get it back to the states, everybody, without exception. Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives, everybody wanted it back.
So ML evidently believes that literally everybody was against Roe v. Wade, "without exception".
Oh my, what terrible lies.
At least DLAM can admit they were lies. ML can't even get that far.
"CNN claims to have found 30 examples of Trump lying during the debate."
Your appeal to authority with CNN (lol) of all things, doesn't make your lie true. Particularly since (if true) then CNN was lying that what Trump said were lies.
We challenged you on this before and the only example you tried to come up with was a prognostication.
You tried to imply that an obvious prognostication was a lie, and then when that fell apart you switched to lying about the definition of tariffs in order to force your narrative.
You're an evil man.
No, Trump lied about how tariffs work, by claiming that China was going to pay them. He made a prediction that was based on a lie. I have explained this to you several times now. You first tried to claim that "predictions cannot be lies", which is misleading - the nature of Trump's lie here isn't the prediction itself but the fact that he made the prediction based on a claim which he knew to be false. Then you tried to claim that since we don't know if the tariffs are going to work or not, Trump's claim can't be a lie. But that wasn't my argument either - it's not about whether the tariffs will serve their intended purpose or not, it is about how tariffs fundamentally work.
As usual, when presented with a very obvious lie by your guy, you try to slime and weasel your way out of it by lying yourself, deflecting, changing the subject, putting words in my mouth, and eventually trying to hide the subject altogether.
Trump lied, multiple times, during the debate, honest people admit it but you are not honest, you are a fifty-center.
So how much is the Trump campaign paying you? Did you have to lie about your Canadian citizenship in order to get paid?
Did he say he “beat Medicare”?
If you watch the video at the bottom of the "fact check" link you included, Biden does wander away from the rest of the G7 leaders. Yeah, there is another parachutist in the direction Biden is wandering toward, but none of the other leaders he's with are walking in other directions. Biden looks confused, from my perspective. Does that short, ambling shuffle of Biden look consistent with the dementia-addled performance of Biden at the debate? Yes, it certainly does.
Instead you are implying Biden was clearly coherent and not at all confused, when the video you linked shows him wandering. If you're not implying that, then why are you pointing to this as a gotcha of the (right-leaning) media dishonestly portraying Biden as that?
“House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.) recently convened a virtual meeting of House Democrats to discuss whether President Joe Biden ought to be replaced by a Democrat with a better chance of beating Donald Trump.”
I hear there’s a real popular dog-catcher in Chicago!
‘Just ludicrous’: Ex-Pence advisor on Trump’s attempt to distance himself from ‘Project 2025’
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/07/politics/video/trump-distance-project-2025-olivia-troye-nr-digvid
Sorry Donnie - you're tied to the nutcases at the Heritage Foundation.
End no-fault divorce, ban contraception/abortion, ban porn, cripple the US Dollar - these stupid conservative fuck-sticks are your base now.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
“Ex-Pence advisor”
Pence advisor, wow that turned out real well for current GOP presidential candidate Pence. Obviously must be a genius.
You’re really scraping the bottom of your trolling barrel today, aren’t you Pluggo?
It’s all he’s got.
****REAL***** INSURRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can't just change the people's vote with a meeting. The people elected Joe Biden in the primaries. Deal with it.
At least Trump had a box of evidence for voter-fraud; the left is taking the whole vote itself and having meetings about how to throw it in the dumpster.
Just like the left does all the time: PROJECTS then does exactly what they are blaming on everyone else.
You can’t just change the people’s vote with a meeting. The people elected Joe Biden in the primaries. Deal with it.
More to the point, the one Dem who challenged him, RFK Jr., got exiled by the fucking Dem/media establishment, and had to run as an independent to make his case.
It’s not even so much the people who voted for him in the primaries, it’s the fact that the same people who are scrambling now trying to figure out how to get rid of this guy, have been front and fucking center in flat-out lying the last four years that everything with him was just fine.
If they’re going to run a four-year campaign of outright lying about something that anyone with eyes could plainly see, and ears could plainly hear, just imagine all the other shit they’ve been lying about that they’ve actually been able to cover their tracks on.
This is actually why we aren’t a serious nation–because we’re run by an alliance of incredibly corrupt bureaucrats, Hollywood celebrities, champagne communists, academics, grifters, and political apparatchiks, who are holding on to their power by any means necessary, up to and including property destruction and murder, while claiming such actions are “mostly peaceful” and “fortifying democracy.” What person with any self-respect wouldn’t support the fall of any society run by such people?
"This is actually why we aren’t a serious nation–because we’re run by an alliance of incredibly corrupt bureaucrats..."
Kind of feels like we are going through the various bosses from "The Office" as our "leaders"
The Enormous Risks a Second Trump Term Poses to Our Economy
....
And Mr. Trump’s second-term agenda would further harm our fiscal picture. A Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget report said that extending the 2017 tax cuts alone would add another $3.9 trillion to the federal debt and increase our debt-to-G.D.P. ratio by approximately 10 percent. This would likely lead to higher interest rates and greater inflation while undermining business confidence, and could reduce our resilience in the face of future national-security or economic crises.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/08/opinion/economic-risks-second-trump-term.html
Reason after reason - well thought out.
I'm sure the Cultists will slander the authors but this is spot on for any real independent thinker.
(Sorry Peanuts - you are not independent thinkers)
Maybe a real Independent Thinker (not a TDS addled propagandist) would actually pull the fiscal picture (numbers) and see that the 2017 Tax-Cuts didn't raise federal Debt AT-ALL.....
What raised federal debt was the Cares Act[D], the ARPA[D], Student Loan Forgiveness[D], etc, etc, etc as the story continues throughout the last 80-years since FDR decided to conquer the USA for his [D]emocratic [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire agenda.
idiot.
I did some googling and everything I came up with showed that the 2017 tax cuts did not increase revenue. Rather they increased the deficit and the debt. I guess I wasn't able to find the right propaganda from Trump's Deranged Supporters. Maybe you can find a TDS addled website.
That narrative is part of the pro-Trump Hokey-Pokey.
Since that was his only meaningful legislation pre-Covid they need to pump it as part of the "greatest economy ever" - which itself is pure fiction.
PURE FICTION YOU DONNIE-BOYS!
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
"PURE FICTION"
Speaking of fiction, I noticed you still can't dispute the fact that you lie *in your username.*
Motives for the September 11 attacks
8 stated motives.
3 inferred motives.
Zero out of eleven overlap with the 1 / 6 goofballs.
Leftist poster-ripping anti-Israel protesters have more in common with the 9 / 11 hijackers' motives BTW.
SAME MOTIVE SANDY!
Your side bombed the building twice, you hicklib pederast.
BULLSHIT, TURD!
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Was it a difficult decision not to attend the funeral of your brother Jimmy?
He was also conceptually closer to the 9 / 11 terrorists than the 1 / 6 rioters were: he tried (but failed) to kill a bunch of people.
The Laffer Curve is a real thing, but it isn't magic. Though those who cite it often claim that it means all tax cuts increase revenue, and if you follow their logic the ideal tax rate to maximize revenue is zero.
Dumb.
Yeah, there is an optimum tax rate that maximizes revenue, but I don't think anyone really knows if our current tax rate is below or above this optimum value.
But from a libertarian perspective, I don't really care if the state has some theoretical 'optimum' tax revenue. I just want the state to have the taxes it needs to fund the core activities that a minimal libertarian state ought to fund, and no more.
I just want the state to have the taxes it needs to fund the core activities that a minimal libertarian state ought to fund, and no more.
Define the basic functions of government, determine how much it will cost, then levy taxes accordingly.
Instead of taxing everything and then coming up with ways to spend the money.
The system is back-asswards.
+1
Hey Drunky, congratulations. You got the morbidly obese pedophile activist to give you a gold star!
So many head pats for sarc this morning. But don't dare call them a team.
"But from a libertarian perspective... I just want the state to have the taxes it needs to fund the core activities that a minimal libertarian state ought to fund, and no more."
From that standpoint, you should probably be pining for a 75% cut in taxes, at least.
Sure. But that would have to be accompanied by spending cuts associated with the unnecessary government spending. If not, then that unnecessary spending is just paid for with debt, and the debt represents taxes to be paid by future taxpayers. So, tax cuts without spending cuts aren't really, truly, tax cuts; they are simply tax burden shifting, to future generations. And while that sounds good to me from a purely selfish perspective, it is not a just solution overall, if we truly believe that taxation is a type of theft.
If a thief tries to rob me at gunpoint, the morally just solution isn't to say "instead of robbing me, rob my grandchildren instead". The morally just solution is to stop the theft.
So we're spending about $5T more than necessary.
Roughly, sure. And the real challenge is how we get to that libertarian ideal from where we are at. It is not going to happen in one fell swoop where dozens of agencies are shuttered overnight.
Ultimately, it is all meaningless unless the people demand fiscal prudence. And IMO one way to do that is from the bottom up: get more people to be fiscally prudent in their own lives. I know this is anecdotal, but it sure seems to me that more and more people nowadays don't even bother to balance a checkbook or even keep track of their spending. Their budgeting practices tend to mirror that of the government: spend whatever you happen to earn (and then some), don't think about long term consequences, and slowly go deeper and deeper into debt. So I think real lasting change in government spending actually requires a cultural shift in how we all think about money and personal finance.
It is not going to happen in one fell swoop where dozens of agencies are shuttered overnight.
Why not?
I have yet to see Jeff ever advocate for any spending cuts that are particular.
He has defended: welfare (including for illegals), Medicare, medicaid (including sex change surgery and drugs, birth control), Ukraine foreign aid, regulatory agencies, the fucking IRS staff increase, education...
What we see here is jeff lying with a general comment when every specific comment he makes is in the opposite direction.
Why not?
LOL, no shit. Pope Milei did it in less than 48 hours after he took office.
He has defended: welfare (including for illegals), Medicare, medicaid (including sex change surgery and drugs, birth control), Ukraine foreign aid, regulatory agencies, the fucking IRS staff increase, education…
But in chemjeff's defense, all of those things are clearly enumerated powers and responsibilities of the federal government in the constitution, especially the taxpayer-funded sex changes!
Well Said actually ... and I'd add the lack of responsibility (bankruptcy forgiveness, 'poor' handouts, universal healthcare, universal retirements) ARE the very foundation to such carelessness.
And at the end of all the 'Gun' theft politics; the reality that 'Guns' don't actually make sh*t will emerge (production-less) and [WE] identity label-gangs will politically 'Gun' it out with each other.
Oh yep; We're already there.
Lol. 2nd time sarcasmic calls the Laffer curve a line.
Hey idiot. Do you know what happens when government taxes more? They spend more. See California, Illinois, new york, or europe.
Youre just a fucking democrat at this point.
Cite and links?
google.com
I bet you didn't even do that.
Can you give us one example, not even a link or a citation, just an example?
Didn't think so.
"I did some googling and everything I came up with showed that the 2017 tax cuts did not increase revenue. Rather they increased the deficit and the debt. I guess I wasn’t able to find the right propaganda from Trump’s Deranged Supporters. Maybe you can find a TDS addled website."
It really is amazing to watch Sarcasmic and Shrike rail against tax cuts on a libertarian board because orangemanbad.
See Sarkles, THIS is how everyone knows you're a Democrat.
Tax cuts that increase the deficit and debt are irresponsible.
Opposing irresponsible policy doesn’t make someone a Democrat. Just means they’re not a poo-flinging, brainless Trumpanzie like yourself.
Tax cuts that increase the deficit and debt are irresponsible.
Tax cuts don't "increase" the deficit you fucking shill. They never increase the deficit.
Overspending increases the fucking deficit.
You're no libertarian, Sarcasmic. You're not even close.
The deficit is the difference between spending and revenue. Cuts in revenue increase that number.
Your math teachers failed you, big time.
If there was no spending would there ever be a deficit you retarded fuck?
Spending always increases after a tax increase you retarded fuck.
Put down MSNBC.
Your democrat party has failed you big time.
The deficit is the difference between spending and revenue. Cuts in revenue increase that number.
NO!
The spending increases that number, you fucking idiot.
If I’m robbing you to support an extravagant lifestyle, stopping robbing you, isn’t less responsible than to stop squandering your money instead.
If you were libertarian you’d realize this, you discount fascist.
Math is leftist- ML
ML is the master gaslighter around here. He will tell complete lies with a straight face and to top it off, act indignant and outraged when you don't accept his lies as fact.
Tax revenue went up every year except flat during covid when shit was shut down. I thought you googled this?
That’s weird, when I google I get this:
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
You could have gone to the actual government websites instead of seeking out leftist opinion pieces.
Amazing watching you now be against tax cuts lol.
""I came up with showed that the 2017 tax cuts did not increase revenue""
No one's revenue? I don't think tax cuts are mean to increase the government's revenue.
US Debt per Year.
2014 $17.8T … Change
2015 $18.1T … $0.3T
2016 $19.5T … $1.4T
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2017 $20.2T … $0.7T (NO. Not a major factor on federal debt)
2018 $21.5T … $1.3T
2019 $22.7T … $1.2T
2020 $27.7T … $5.0T
---------------------------------------------
2021 $29.6T … $1.9T
2022 $30.8T … $1.2T
2023 $33.2T ... $2.4T
2024 $35.0T ... $1.8T
Citing NYT (and CNN, above) tells you where turd gets his talking points.
Also the top links for sarcs Google search. Why he won't link anything specific.
You sound terrified that your party might suffer the most humiliating defeat in American political history ..... for the second time in the span of three elections!
(Admittedly I thought that was extremely unlikely until Dementia Joe's debate performance revealed his handlers and MSM allies had been hiding the extent of his decline.)
"his handlers and MSM allies had been hiding the extent of his decline."
Not very well, unless someone is blind.
Really? You made an exception for “boots on the ground in Ukraine” for your prediction of a Brandon win, but you couldn’t see his brain rot playing a factor?
Stick to the parody, sandy. Forecasting is not your thing.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
The Enormous Risks a Second Trump Term Poses to Our Economy
LOL, a rather elegant admission that I’m correct–that the left is expecting a massive economic downturn in the next four years, and might decide to hold off on the 2 am ballot dump to ensure a GOP president is in office when it happens so their party doesn’t get the blame.
Thanks for using your allies to help confirm that, you hicklib pederast.
Yup, agreed. The “it’s all over but the fat lady singing” tone coming from the MSM signals a shift in tactics from “saving democracy!!!!” to scorched earth.
1. Tax cuts don’t add to the debt, fuck you, cut spending.
2. Tax receipts went up every year after the cuts (except that one year where your fellow democrats slit the economies throat). So again: fuck you, cut spending.
(Everyone here remembers your constant bitching when Republicans did the bare minimum of sequestration in Obama’s second term. Fuck off.)
And how much do they think the national debt will go up if a Democrat-to-be-named later wins? Because Biden didn't exactly reel in the deficits, he will end up adding more to the debt than Trump did.
Not renewing the tax cuts would hurt the economy a lot more.
OMG!!! TRUMP IS GONNA FUCK UP THE ECONOMY TOO? ARGLE BARGLE!!!!
Maybe we can worry about that after we finish cleaning up the mess from the two world wars he started.
Oh, and libertarians for tax increases? Really?
Haha. What an idiot.
Divine intervention needed: "If the Lord Almighty came down and said, 'Joe, get out of the race,' I'd get out of the race," he told ABC. He added that the "Lord Almighty's not coming down."
If I were a religious man, I'd say the Lord Almighty is speaking quite loudly on this one...
Well, we will find out if the Lawd is a sadist like the Old Testament depicts him or a child-abuser like the NT says.
The TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Considering my enemies (especially hicklib pederasts) get thrown in a lake of fire at the end for all eternity, it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Eternity will never end, you puerile froglicker.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Which is why your suffering will be so delicious, you hicklib pederast.
Reading comprehension escapes you. Just like decency, cognition, ability, or any other positive attribute.
Reread what he said, you child raping dumbfuck.
"Well, we will find out if the Lawd is... a child-abuser like the NT says."
For example?
It always amazes me how idiots like Shrike can grow up in a culture imbued with Judeo-Christianity, especially the South, and not even know what is actually in the Bible.
The only parts they actually know are for contemporary political purposes: “Render unto Caesar”, for example, while conveniently leaving out the part about giving to God that which is God’s.
They don’t actually believe it and generally hate Christians, but they think if they cite a random line they will get people to do what they want, similar to Satan (whom they openly admire) tempting Christ in the desert.
"Lord Almighty's not coming down" Zelenskyy: Praise the Lord, pass the ammunition.
Biden, in media appearances this weekend aimed at calming people's nerves about his age, said that only the "Lord Almighty" could convince him to step aside and allow another member of his party to run for president against Trump.
And then a marine got up and punched him?
Oysters keep dying instead of reproducing, creating a huge problem for the scientists working to restore the bivalve population in New York's waters.
Not as big a problem as the statement "Cold winters and predators are major factors." could create for them. Talk loudly and often enough about how the waters of New York have gotten colder over the last century and you might wake up to find your scientific career sleeping with the bivalves.
Hello there!
Per your occasional requests, here's the latest update on my thought process. 🙂
I still think Trump is an abysmal candidate.
I still think nominating him was a gift to Democrats.
I now think his odds of winning have dramatically improved (but are nowhere near a lock) given that the debate forced even Democrat-aligned media to stop covering for Biden's cognitive issues.
More than I would expect from Jeff, sarc, or SPB2.
Still reluctantly and strategically undecided as to whether you've recovered from TDS better than, or just pivoted like, e.g., Jacob Sullum... satirically of course. 🙂
Dumbasses are probably trying to reseed the population with warm water oysters. To future proof the population against climate change.
This is so fucking stupid, I bet it's true.
They raise them commercially in Canada; so unless New York is simply a toxic wasteland, it should be viable. It could be the researchers in charge are simply incompetent.
It's not *just* the cold. It seems that there's a minimum colony size to create a sustainable population and that, in the cold and the wild (with predators) and to some degree the toxicity I'm sure, that minimum colony size is much, much larger than they imagined. If you drop them in effectively their own little lake in Canada and it takes them twice as long to reproduce, no problem. If you drop them in the waters around New York and the cold slows their maturation and reproduction you wind up effectively just feeding the native predators.
Or dumping the oysters in Bennett Park (the highest point in Manhattan, at 265 feet above sea level), since it will soon be under water.
They should be privileged to join Atlantis and other imaginary underwater kingdoms.
If the Democrats and media are serious about taking out Biden there remains a nuclear (?) option. They could honestly report about Ashley’s diary, Biden’s quid pro quo forcing Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma, his DOJ intentionally letting limitations expire on Hunter’s crimes, the dozens of money laundering LLCs funneling him cash and a lot more. We’re supposed to be outraged that the media ignored his dementia but ignoring his criminality just gets a big shrug.
And by the way. Why did Biden and Dr. Jill refinance their houses 35 times?
https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/biden-home-refinancing
And by the way. Why did Biden and Dr. Jill refinance their houses 35 times?
Certainly not to launder money. They must have needed a new deck.
They must have needed a new deck.
New doors because of the repressed memory of a 35 yr. old sexual assault that happen to Dr. Jill.
Isn’t 35 years ago around the time Joe was serially raping Ashley in the shower?
They could just make sure to let slip through some really high grade coke, too.
"Oh no, the President had a heart attack. How terrible."
If you want to find out where people’s actual principles lie, look at the policies (as opposed to glittering generalities like MUH LIBERAL DEMOCRACY) they will absolutely not compromise on, especially the people who fetishize “compromise” as an absolute good.
The same Jonah Goldberg/Ilya Somin/Kevin Williamson/Patrick Frey constituency that wrings their hands every time conservatives resist left-wing policies, and demands perpetual compromise with the left on all domestic policies, are notably quite strict and will not compromise at all when it comes to a few key issues:
–Defending Israel at all cost
–Conflict with Russia no matter what
–Expansion of the security/military state
For example, they support open borders, but realize that most actual conservatives do not, so they make arguments for various “compromises” to “get half of what you want,” while understanding that they’ll be giving the left the other half down the line.
But on those three issues? Absolute hard line. No compromise at all. You’re with us, or against us. If you don’t support Israel 100%, you support terrorists. If you don’t hate Russia 100%, you’re a Stalinist. If you are opposed to any expansion of the security state, you want to leave this country vulnerable to its enemies (Russia), and are probably an enemy of the country itself.
These are the people who continue to claim that supporting Ukraine is the number one issue of the time–not domestic issues like the effects of inflation on the ability to support your family, or cultural ones like the left’s non-stop charge to sexualize minors and convince them to mutilate themselves in service to a pornsick transhumanist cult.
This is where their actual principles lie–prioritizing foreigners over citizens, always and forever. This is where they will never, ever compromise. Anyone who places foreigners over a nation’s own citizens aren’t even patriots, contrary to their efforts to take on the mantle. They’re anti-culture globalists who stupidly believe that the philosophies of the Enlightenment are universal, rather than the product of a very specific time and cultural construct that allowed them to happen in the first place. They promote “ideas” and “policies” as the only things that matter, stubbornly refusing to acknoweldge that, without a culture that supports such things, those “ideas” are nothing more than a gold statue propped up on feet of clay. Because when the culture is destroyed, so are the ideas and policies.
Ironically, the cultural marxists going back to Gramsci actually understood this, which is why they’ve specifically targeted “bourgeois western culture” for subversion and destruction. But the center-right are too stupid and fearful to grasp that. Such people are not to be taken seriously, which is why the Goldbergites have taken such a massive tumble in political influence, compared to 20 years ago when they were the driving force of the GOP, and are now openly conspiring to keep Democrats in power by any means necessary.
To put a finer point on it, these people don’t even support what they claim is the number one domestic issue for conservatives–shrinking the government bureaucracy and limiting spending. How do we know this? Because they’ll compromise on it, as they’ve shown repeatedly since the Great Depression. They'll give the left half of what they want now, and the rest later on.
"Kevin Williamson"
Is he doing the "principled conservatives for Biden" thing? I barely hear about him since he's not on Twitter anymore.
But his name stood out given his hardline anti-abortion statements in the past. Maybe that was all an act? Because I don't see how anyone with those views can support modern abortion-until-birth Democrats no matter how sleazy Trump is.
I barely hear about him since he’s not on Twitter anymore.
Have you checked mastodon?
Williamson is not a hardline anti-abortionist. This is what he said in a WaPo piece six years ago:
Apr 25, 2018 — The procedure is an absolute evil, but opponents need not fall into the trap of political absolutism.
If you're willing to compromise on something that you say is an absolute evil, then it's not a principle and you don't actually believe what you're saying. But you do know that conservatives don't like it, so you promote something that will give the left half of what they want now, and the other half later on.
I don't agree with the "every sperm is sacred" crowd, but unlike the Goldbergites, they at least believe in it as a principle and won't compromise on it. The Goldbergites (like Nikki Haley, for example) just gave it lip service, but will make any temporary deal they think the Democrats will accept for now.
For those who would have voted for a different Democrat in 2020, I give you Tulsi Gabbard at the shooting range. Oh, you're welcome.
LOL, please please please Trump make her VP!
Eh, Tulsi is still far-left on most things, like Kyrsten Sinema she's just better at hiding her power level than other Dems. Notably, both of these women got exiled for only going along with the party 95% of the time instead of 100%.
Despite all her other boilerplate Democrat positions, she appears to be at least as anti-war as Trump, and pro 2A as well. Pretty good traits the country needs in a VP.
I can’t imagine a VP nominee making more heads explode… or putting the election more in the bag for Trump. Fuck both party establishments.
That's a great idea, and I've a notion that Gabbard would not have so many bad stances if she wasn't a Democrat. A Trump-Gabbard ticket would be a great "Fuck you, Establishment, up with real people!"
Plus, think of her getting to tear into Harris again in a debate. Incredible.
Fish in a barrel.
The reason she was kicked off the Democratic ticket, and the reason the far-left calls her Trump-lite, is because she's a Democrat that loves her country. In the modern Democratic party, that is the mark of fucking satan. To be a good modern democrat, you have to be all in on the 1619 project, BLM, the elimination of the nation state, the destruction of the nuclear family, systemic racism and "the lie of America as a good place to come to" while beckoning every immigrant group you can to make an end-zone dive over the border, and screeching bloody murder if they're sent back to their far-superior, less-racist, less hateful country.
She was kicked out because she reminds people what Democrats used to be like, back when they were still sane.
The irony of it all is that she was a Bernie supporter, and resigned her DNC position specifically because of the email leak that showed they were deliberately undermining his campaign in favor of Hillary's.
My favorite question for Democrats... which has never been answered because I think everyone knows the answer is "Why Joe Biden?"
And when I ask "why Joe Biden" I don't mean "why Joe Biden in 2024", that answer is obvious... because now you're stuck with him. No, the question is, "Why Joe Biden in the 2020 primary?"
Most people have forgotten, but there was a whole slate of Democratic candidates in the runup to 2020 which would have been preferable to Biden. Biden for most of the first part of the primary wasn't even a leading candidate, and his mental decline was fairly obvious (sorry Yglesias) even then. Kamala Harris was wildly unpopular-- again, unpopular with Democrats, and yet you guys ended up with a president who had all the markings of an also-ran, and a vice president that was roundly disliked by your base. So... explain to me why Joe Biden in 2020?
“Why Joe Biden in the 2020 primary?”
He was the last moderate left standing against Bernie Sanders. If you recall Bernie had a significant lead over a splintered Dem moderate base.
But only 30-35% of Dem voters are progressive DSA types. So 65% of the party consolidated on Joe - who had polled as low as 15% in the primary season.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
In this case the turd landed on the truth. It wasn't accidental, it was just an easy target. Hard to miss that barn broadside.
He was the last moderate left standing against Bernie Sanders.
No he wasn't.
Yes he was.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
No he wasn't. There was a whole set of moderate Democrats in that race-- that is, unless you're trying to wiggle your way off the hook by claiming he was the last moderate democrat left after you Democrats had kicked all the other moderate democrats out of the primary by accusing them of being agents of the Kremlin. (And yes, I'm even willing to count those moderate Democrats-- even though literally 100% the debate-stage Democrats raised their hands when asked if their Universal Healthcare Plan would cover illegal immigrants).
So, again, the question is-- with all those other moderate Democrats in the field that you... YOU kicked off the ticket-- why Joe Biden? I know the answer, I just want to hear you say it.
Biden opposed the two Utopian progressive plans - Medicare for All and AOC's New Green Deal and campaigned against both.
The far left hates Biden. Even today they complain about his pro-Israel position.
The field was splintered until Clyburn endorsed him - and Clyburn is no friend of the Squad.
turd certainly is dishonest, but he’s got a heaping helping of stupid to go with his dishonesty. Stupid, lying, despicable steaming pile of lefty shit and proud of it!
Uh oh, guess someone is still bitter about Tulsi Gabbard not getting the nomination.
Why didn't Democrats nominate Tulsi Gabbard? Because she is Trump-lite.
Yeah, Tulsi was the ONLY moderate Democrat running...
And man, the wayback machine is strong on that one. I forgot Don... fucking Lemon moderated that debate. Holy fucksticks, Batman...
No, Tulsi wasn't the only moderate, but she's the one that you are bitter about.
I would have taken Bernie Sanders over Joe Biden. Because at least I'd know who was in the white house pulling the levers. The only one who's bitter is you, now that you're losing the guy you strategically and reluctantly voted for.
I didn't vote for Biden. I voted for Jo Jo, and was happy to do it.
You have expressed your desires for Tulsi before.
He was the last moderate left standing against Bernie Sanders.
Not really. Right before SC there were several moderates left standing (Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg), each of whom had some upcoming primary states they were very likely to win.
The media build-up was that the moderate “lane” would be dominated by whoever won South Carolina, and that Jim Clyburn had a huge influence in SC. And it’s one of those things where the media saying you have huge influence gives you huge influence, and saying a primary is decisive makes it decisive.
So the real answer to “why Biden” is that Jim Clyburn, supported by the media decided it was Biden.
Biden got 14% of the vote in Iowa and 8% in New Hampshire — the two early states where voters see the candidates up close. Those are moderate states.
Biden won big on Super Tuesday, because the voters in those states were less engaged and less informed, and recognized the name. The campaigns there depended on money and TV ads, not in-person campaigning. Yes, he won 49% in South Carolina, but he got 63% of the vote in Alabama, and over 33% in 8 other Super Tuesday states, from voters who have no idea who Clyburn is.
“Why Joe Biden in the 2020 primary?”
1. It was his turn
2. He wasn't a flaming progressive like AOC or Lizzie Warren
So… explain to me why Joe Biden in 2020?
The deep state could hold a lifetime of provable grift against him and his disgusting family if he didn’t follow orders?
""“Why Joe Biden in the 2020 primary?”""
Because the VP of a two term president is who generally runs.
In 2016, Hillary took Biden's turn. Biden was just trying to get "his turn" back on the board.
I think his senility made him attractive to the center. They saw him as someone who wouldn't do much, because he couldn't. People thought he was harmless. But they just didn't want him to show it so obviously; everyone wanted to know he was demented, yet keep everyone else from knowing the same. Unfortunately a pen and a phone get you a long way.
They'd've gone for him in 2016 had it not been Hillary's turn, and he knew it.
Because Biden won on Super Tuesday, relying mostly on low-information voters who recognized the name. And the 2020 general election was going to be fortified to feature a whole lot of low-information voters.
“Why Joe Biden in 2020?”
Because he and kam kam were an elegant middle finger to the BLM crowd and dem virtue signalers in general on account of their drug warrior backgrounds.
They don’t just want power. They want to rub peoples noses in it. Even their own supporters. Or maybe especially their own supporters.
unauthorized nicotine products
the horror
Prohibition always plays out this way. Ban something people want. People ignore ban. People who imposed ban get butthurt.
Identity over ideology is the Colorado Libertarian Party way.
Colorado Libertarians designate RFK Jr. to state's November ballot after snubbing party's own ticket
https://www.coloradopolitics.com/elections/2024/colorado-libertarians-designate-rfk-jr-to-states-november-ballot-after-snubbing-partys-own-ticket/article_74f7e22c-38e2-11ef-bfcc-af2936a5dbee.html
Chase Oliver: correct ideology, incorrect identity.
RFK Jr.: incorrect ideology, correct identity.
Chase Oliver is "correct ideology" for libertarians? The commie who voted for Barak Obama? that Chase Oliver?
Name me any other candidate whose policies and ideology are closer to the libertarian ideal than Chase Oliver's.
And it is ironic that you validate my point by noting an instance of Chase Oliver having the 'wrong' identity (voting for Obama! icky!) instead of discussing any policy or ideology of his that you disagree with.
"And it is ironic that you validate my point by noting an instance of Chase Oliver having the ‘wrong’ identity (voting for Obama! icky!) instead of discussing any policy or ideology"
And you are braindead enough to assume voting for Obama = icky is an identity choice, not a policy one. Because in lefty circles, the only possible thing anyone could dislike about O was that he was black.
Not something, for example, like Obama leading the charge for a mandatory govt overtaking of one of the largest and most sprawling systems (healthcare) in the country. Or unconstitutionally drone striking US citizens. Nah, nothing a libertarian could take issue with there policy wise.
You are exposing your own blue bubble brain rot
And you are braindead enough to assume voting for Obama = icky is an identity choice, not a policy one.
The way that YOU ALL interpreted his vote for Obama was in terms of identity. If you had been paying attention, you would know that Oliver first got interested in the Libertarian Party due to his strong anti-war beliefs. And in 2008, who was the most anti-war candidate? FFS in 2008, Obama the candidate was more anti-war than the god-awful LP candidate of Bob Barr, who voted for the Iraq war resolution. So I don't know for certain, but I would bet money that Oliver voted for Obama in 2008 because of his professed anti-war position. But, leaving out all of those details just lets you lump him in with every other Obama voter including the cultists who thought he was the Chosen One or something. It was not about ideology or policy, in the way you used the term, it was about smearing him by his associations.
Voting for Obama exposed his ideology.
Voting for Obama rather than Johnson counts against him. However, for people who hadn’t yet got digusted/mature enough to consider third parties, the choices were Obama and John McCain.
John McCain, for those who’ve forgotten, was
(a) the Senate’s leading warmonger, itching for a ground war in Iran, enmeshing ourselves in the Syrian civil war, and staying in Afghanistan for (his literal exact words) “100 years”.
(b*) the Democrat’s favorite Republican, Mr. Bipartisan himself.
(c*) the MSM’s favorite Republican.
(d) and afterward a big supporter of Obamacare.
Does anyone here have the balls to admit they voted for John McCain? I know some of you must be guilty.
—
*Until he ran for president, of course.
I'm glad Obama won that peace prize. Total world peace for his 8 years lol.
No argument from me.
Obama joined a completely ill-conceived war in Libya. The country is still a failed state and more of a threat to the region than under Qaddafi,
He pushed hard for involvement in Syria (with cheerleading and onsite photo-ops by McCain BTW). In my opinion his actions in Syria contributed to the ISIS crisis. ISIS was so bad we had to tacitly ally with Iran to put it down.
He failed to get us out of Afghanistan. (Yes, Trump deserves the credit for ending that one.)
He periodically bombed Somalia throughout his two terms.
So yes, his Nobel Peace Prize was bullshit, But then surely we all agree that Nobel Peace Prizes usually are.
Just FYI, in 2008, the LP candidate was Bob Barr, not Johnson. I mean, in 2008, if you were a single-issue anti-war candidate, who would you vote for? Both McCain and Barr voted in favor of the Iraq war.
Thanks for the correction on the dates. Not that young anymore…. JFTR I did vote for Bob Barr, and the reason I remember is because I haven’t voted other than LP for the top line office in 40 years.
He had also walked back his Iraq War support by 2008. I fully concede that the "Bush misled me" line is a very lame excuse, but the alternatives were a Republican still very much in favor, and a Democrat who wanted to nationalize health care.
I did. I hadn’t even heard of the Libertarian Party in 2008, that’s how shitty their management was.
It seems todays talking points that went out are that republicans are voting on "IDENTITY" and not "policy"
Very lazy, just a middleman placeholder for the usual leftist "RACIST! BIGOT!"
And then when the response is "Actually, no I disliked Obama's policies" theyll come back with "uh, ya no one really believe that, your just a racist and/or Trump cultist!!"
Lazy lazy stuff, as usual, coming from Jeff. Not sending their best
Thats the totality if jeff and sarcs arguments for a few weeks. Because Joe's policies are so terrible not even the NYT defends them often.
"voting for obama" is not an identity you moron. It reveals one's ideology. Are you brain damaged?
So when does the Colorado LP get excommunicated? How can they back a Democrat? RFK got 2% at the LP convention, he's not the candidate.
S&P 500 sets another record today at 5578. This Biden economy is red-hot Peanuts.
Because you know who (Fatass Donnie) said the market would crash with Sleepy Joe.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
2022 was a crash.
Tends to happen when USD loses value.
The USD – numbers start to lie and idiots like you just keep believing.
Now tell us about this 130% debt of GDP going on at the same time.
The last stages of a debt bubble are always glorious.
Expect more from the media on Project 2025. It’s a perfect squirrel to distract folks from Biden.
Well, it is an own-goal by the stupid paleo-conservatives at Heritage.
100% of the news was on Biden's inept debate performance. Now this totalitarian-fascist plan is cutting into Sleepy Joe's bad press time.
Yeah, gosh, it's such a surprise that your team is trying to distract from your guy's disastrous debate performance, you hicklib pederast.
I want Joe to drop out, you idiot. I've said so here many times.
That much spinning would make most people dizzy, lying pile of lefty shit.
Yeah, we know, you hicklib pederast, you’re parroting the same line that your fellow leftists are now spouting.
But you were fine with him before the debate.
turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.
Trump will be held responsible for any nutty ideas coming from the lunatic fringe on the right. But Biden must walk a fine line, exhibiting the wisdom and tact gained from a lifetime of government service, to balance the legitimate concerns of the lunatic fringe on the left while still keeping the campaign cash flowing from his corporate ESG backers.
I've already had several left-wing parrots squawking about that to me, so clearly it's being spread throughout their social media sphere as a talking point.
In political subreddits it was coming up now and then, in the last week its blown up, I see a scare post on it daily.
Funny thing is, the same people that would joke about Qanon are all up in arms that Trump and the 6 SCOTUS justices are under their bed in full nazi garb, ready to force them into a handmaiden's tale outfit, while marching with a project 2025 banner. Some of the fan fiction they are writing about it is absolutely wild.
I'd be interested to see an analysis of stories in conservative media circles, when Trump says something batshit crazy or insane, if the conservative media then decide to launch a bunch of articles about "illegal immigrant invader rapes cute blond coed" in order to distract from Trump's craziness.
they wouldnt be able to launch the article if the rape didn't happen, so who's fault is it really?
What do you consider “conservative media circles?
Fox News? Something else?
Any that doesn't have at least one pro Dark Brandon article.
So they distract from his “crazy” rhetoric on immigration by highlighting true stories of illegal immigrants harming people?
""Project 2025.""
Sound like something a democrat would claim is a conspiracy theory.
What's not a conspiracy theory is laid out in the Durham report.
The funny thing is, Project 2025 is like Trickle-Down Economics or Big Stick Diplomacy but even more removed and even involves some actually rather massive cuts to the government size and spending reducing parts back to the pre-Bush Era. Not even really as grandiose as The Marshall Plan and not as nefarious or catastrophic as The Manhattan Project or WOD or as transformative as The Space Race. Essentially, it's just an outline for his term from a think tank that he isn't exactly beholden to.
As opposed to something like Agenda 2030 which was essentially a wishlist of insane and oxymoronic moon shots that actually was adopted by every UN member nation that essentially laid the ground work for BBB, ESG, etc. 30 yrs. down the road and running...
It's like saying using Rocket Money to conduct your personal finances for the next 4 yrs. is between insane and a war crime, but a global Robocop/OCP-style unification of cities, society, nature, and law enforcement to combat the ills of all of them is just how you plan for the future.
I asked a group of true Blue Democrats about what they thought the WEF/Davos Agenda 2030 was all about. Crickets.
Matt Rosendale takes up anti-IVF campaign in latest break from GOP colleagues
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4757078-matt-rosendale-anti-ivf/
I don't agree with him, but I have to admire him a little bit for his intellectual consistency. He truly believes that life begins at conception and therefore the embryos destroyed during the IVF procedure represents a type of mass murder. He is not making many friends among his team, of course, for saying so.
Le Pen, Salvini to Join Orban’s New Far-Right EU Alliance
Nationalist parties in France and Italy set to join new group
Orban announced alliance plan as Hungary assumed EU presidency
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-08/le-pen-salvini-to-join-orban-s-new-far-right-eu-alliance?embedded-checkout=true
UNITE THE RIGHT RALLY! GRAB YER TIKI TORCHES BOYS!
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Is a pedophile.
The TDS-addled turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.
Big companies trying to use the government to rig the game against smaller, newer and more innovative competitors? Who could have seen that coming? We’re not Nostradamus here.
Be nicer to your fellow humans. Later.
FOAD; earn my kindness, asshole. Later.
Fuck off, Jeff, you handle spoofing piece of dirt.
Oh, no, labor estimates revised downward again? I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED!
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The Labor Department confirmed on Friday that the rate actually rose to 4.1 percent in June.
On top of that, while the Biden administration previously bragged that 272,000 jobs were created in May, these numbers were revised by the Labor Department today.
From The Hill:
The Labor Department on Friday revised May’s job gain down to 218,000 and April’s job gain down to 108,000, meaning the economy added 111,000 fewer jobs than first reported.
Also:
Average hourly earnings were up 3.9% in June from a year earlier, marking their smallest gain since 2021.
...quoth the groanalist shilling for Orange Hitler's party.