Gorsuch Apes NIMBY Government Lies in Supreme Court's Grants Pass Decision
Plus: A disappointing first round of "Baby YIMBY" grant awards, President Joe Biden endorses rent control, and House Republicans propose cutting housing spending.

Happy Tuesday, and welcome to another edition of Rent Free. This past week is a rare one where all the major housing news is happening at the federal level. Major developments include:
- The announcement of the first round of "Baby YIMBY" grant awards, and housing advocates' disappointment at where this first tranche of money is going.
- House Republicans call for cutting federal housing programs, including total defunding of the enforcement of fair housing regulations.
- President Joe Biden's endorsement of "rent caps" in a debate performance made headlines for a lot of other reasons.
But first, our lead story covers the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, in which Justice Neil Gorsuch cites a lot of NIMBY government lies in a decision allowing more sweeping municipal crackdowns on the homeless.
NIMBY Governments Win at the Supreme Court
Last Friday, as Reason covered, the Supreme Court's six-justice conservative majority ruled that Grants Pass, Oregon's camping ban did not violate the Eighth Amendment to the U.S Constitution's prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment."
The decision overturns two prior rulings by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit: the 2018 decision in Martin v. Boise that banned local governments from penalizing people for sleeping in public when there were no available shelter beds, and the 2022 decision in Johnson v. Grants Pass extending that prohibition to public camping bans that punished people for sleeping outside with rudimentary shelter or for sleeping in their cars when no shelter was available.
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The Supreme Court's Grants Pass decision, written by Justice Neil Gorsuch, was the much-sought-after outcome for a wide constellation of local governments, their tax-funded associations, politicians of both parties, and more, who argued the Martin decision had left localities with little ability to police nuisances, get people into shelters, and provide public order.
Homeless and housing advocacy groups have decried the Supreme Court's decision as giving localities a blank check to criminalize and harass homeless people with no other options but to sleep outside or in their vehicles.
So, what to make of it all?
Gorsuch's Ruling: The Reasonable Legal Reasoning
The central question in the Grants Pass case is whether Grants Pass' public camping ban violated the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment" by effectively criminalizing the status of homelessness.
The idea that the Eighth Amendment bans so-called "status" crimes comes from the Supreme Court's 1962 ruling in Robinson v. California, which struck down a California law that made it illegal to just be addicted to drugs.
In deciding Martin and Grants Pass, the 9th Circuit similarly reasoned that enforcement of camping bans when shelter beds were maxed out effectively criminalized the "status" of homelessness.
Gorsuch disagreed for two primary reasons. First, he said that Grants Pass' camping ban prohibits the actual conduct of camping in a park, not the status of being homeless. And its law applies to everyone.
Second, Gorsuch said the penalties for violating Grants Pass' camping ban (fines for initial violations and 30 days in jail for repeat offenses) were also run-of-the-mill criminal and civil penalties and not anything that could be considered cruel or unusual.
Since Grants Pass' camping ban didn't criminalize the "status" of homelessness, and it didn't levy cruel and unusual punishments, it didn't violate the Eighth Amendment, he concluded.
Reasonable minds can disagree with Gorsuch's analysis. Justice Sonia Sotomayor certainly does in her dissent. But his decision strikes me (a non-lawyer) as a reasonable parsing of the Eighth Amendment issues raised.
Gorsuch's Ruling: The NIMBY Throat-Clearing
Gorsuch's opinion takes a while to get to those Eighth Amendment issues, however.
His opinion opens with a lengthy explanation of why the 9th Circuit's Martin decision has made the problem of homelessness so much worse. In short, he argues that it has tied the hands of local governments, who have one less "tool in the toolbox" to get people off the streets.
In making that point, Gorsuch uncritically cites odd, contradictory, and false claims from municipal governments about why they're failing so hard at addressing homelessness.
He cites claims from several California cities that Martin makes it harder to persuade people to accept shelter beds. That's despite the Martin decision only banning local governments from enforcing bans on sleeping outside when there are no shelter beds available.
He cites the League of Oregon Cities' claim that because of the Martin decision, the homeless will reoccupy cleared encampments after a couple of days. That undercuts the notion that Martin was preventing encampment clearings in the first place.
Gorsuch quotes from an amicus brief filed in September by the city of Phoenix that Martin and Johnson have "paralyze[d]" its efforts at addressing homelessness.
Yet, just a few days before Phoenix filed that brief, a Maricopa County Superior Court judge ruled the city was incorrectly citing Martin and Johnson as an excuse for not clearing permanent encampments and policing public nuisances—two things it still very much had the power to do.
Bad Faith Local Governments
Phoenix's amicus brief in the Grants Pass case was co-written by the League of Arizona Cities and Towns—a taxpayer-funded lobbying group that spent most of this past year fighting efforts in the Arizona Legislature to liberalize local zoning codes.
Local governments love to blame Martin for rising homelessness because it relieves them of any real responsibility for the problem. Homelessness is something that happened to them, and here comes the 9th Circuit preventing them from doing anything about it.
It's an incredible act of blame-shifting. In fact, local and state governments bear a considerable share of the blame for the rising homeless population by making housing so hard to build in the first place.
Nothing correlates more with homelessness rates than high housing costs. And nothing drives up housing costs like government restrictions on building housing.
When getting city approval for a new apartment building takes two years, state environmental law lets anyone delay an approved project with lawsuits, and the cheapest forms of housing are banned completely, is it any surprise that thousands of people end up on the streets?
Where cities and states regulate building less, housing costs are lower, homeless populations are smaller, and dealing with homelessness (whether that's through providing more shelter beds or more effectively policing nuisances) becomes cheaper and more manageable.
Lifting restrictions on building homes is something local governments could easily do on their own initiative. They could do that without giving anyone cause to complain about cruel and unusual punishment.
The same municipal associations saying Martin needs to go are the same municipal associations that fight tooth and nail against even the most modest land-use deregulation.
Questions of Scale, Not Approach
Giving police greater powers to ticket and arrest anyone sleeping on a park bench isn't going to fix homelessness when you're in San Francisco and 4,000 people in your city are sleeping outside, the median apartment rents for $3,300 a month, and the number of new homes permitted per month is in the single digits.
Nor, frankly, will "housing first" strategies fix homelessness in high-cost cities with the highest homeless rates. Those high housing costs make providing supportive housing incredibly expensive while generating more and more homeless people all the time.
Realistically, the only way homeless rates can come meaningfully down is through serious land use liberalization that boosts home building and brings housing costs down.
Once that happens, many different approaches to homelessness become more politically palatable, more workable, and more humane.
It's less cruel and unusual to fine someone for pitching a tent in a public park if they are offered a shelter bed first and, with perhaps a little help, they could be in a position to afford a place of their own. Conversely, public order and citywide quality of life aren't as threatened by municipal toleration of the handful of people who do keep sleeping on the streets.
Until local and state governments adopt policies that would significantly reduce the costs of housing, it is unfair, unhelpful, and illiberal to fine people for sleeping on a park bench with a blanket—even if doing so is constitutional.
New 'Baby YIMBY' Grant Program Rewards NIMBY Policies
In late 2022, Congress created a new $85 million program that would reward jurisdictions that removed regulatory obstacles to new housing construction with grants that would pay for removing even more obstacles.
This past week, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) published the list of jurisdictions that received the first Pathways to Removing Obstacles to Housing (PRO) grants. The list is not encouraging.
In many cases, HUD is paying jurisdictions for adopting policies that make it harder, not easier, to build housing. Grants are also going to fund vague planning activities that won't enable the creation of new units.
"Some were disappointed when they heard this was going to be a small grant. Boy is it good that we started small, because we can learn from this," says Alex Armlovich, a housing policy researcher at the Niskanen Center.
Questionable Recipients
In explaining why it gave Philadelphia a $3.3 million PRO grant, HUD identified the city's "inclusionary zoning" (I.Z.) requirement that 20 percent of newly constructed housing in some neighborhoods be offered at below-market rates to lower-income residents.
Philadelphia's affordability mandates, which act as a tax on new development, have been identified as a major barrier to new housing.
"Philadelphia, among large cities, is one of the last ones moving sharply in the wrong direction," says Armlovich. Yet here the city is, receiving a $3 million PRO grant.
New York City and Seattle also received PRO Grants because they'd adopted inclusionary zoning policies, despite both cities' I.Z. programs also being identified as barriers to housing construction. (Seattle is currently getting sued over its I.Z. program.)
The state of Hawaii received a $6.6 million award (the second largest award) because of emergency orders issued by Gov. Josh Green that suspended local housing regulations and created a state body to expedite the approval of projects.
Greens' emergency orders excited a lot of zoning reformers when they were first issued. (I dubbed them "YIMBY martial law.") But, in response to lawsuits and concerted opposition, Green quickly reimposed many of the regulations he'd additionally waived. Sen. Brian Schatz (D–Hawaii) was the author of the PRO Grant program.
Unproductive Awards
Many of the local programs funded by PRO Grants are also of questionable value.
Iowa City, Iowa, will receive a grant to study whether minimum parking requirements drive up the cost of new housing. (We already know that they do.) Philadelphia's grant will pay for studying whether its I.Z. program (which, again, HUD identified as allegedly removing obstacles to new housing) is in fact making some new housing economically infeasible.
Anaheim, California, is getting money to create a "city livability lab."
Some of the planning work funded by PRO Grants is better targeted. New York City will get money to fund the implementation of its pending "City of Yes" zoning reforms. The Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments' $3.5 million award will fund the implementation of several localities' "missing middle" reforms that allow multi-unit housing in single-family areas. Denver is getting money to hire more planning staff to process permits faster.
Nevertheless, "looking at all of these, it's very ambiguous how much housing is going to come from these grants," says Emily Hamilton, a housing policy researcher at George Mason University's Mercatus Center.
Potential Fixes
Hamilton suggests one way the PRO Grant program could be improved: "I think the federal government could do a lot better by looking at rewarding housing market outcomes rather than planning activities that are just very difficult to forecast how they'll affect housing supply."
Practically, that would mean giving grants to high-demand jurisdictions that are approving the most new housing and low-demand jurisdictions that are approving moderately priced new housing.
Armlovich suggests that Congress could improve the PRO Grant program by passing the YIMBY Act, which requires recipients of federal housing funds to report on whether they've adopted pro-supply policies like eliminating parking minimums or shrinking minimum lot sizes.
That would provide clearer "legislative intent of what it means to lift supply barriers," he says. "We can point localities and HUD grant reviewers to the YIMBY Act's list of actions." The YIMBY Act passed the House Financial Services Committee unanimously in May.
House Republicans Propose Modest Cuts to Federal Housing Spending
Whether the PRO Grant program lives long enough to be reformed is an open question. House Republicans' latest budget proposal calls for totally eliminating the program as part of $2.3 billion in cuts to HUD's budget.
That's a 3 percent reduction in HUD's budget compared to this year's funding levels, says the National Low Income Housing Coalition in an analysis.
In addition to axing the PRO Grant program, House Republicans' proposal would also end funding for HUD's "green new deal" for public housing and grants to local legal services organizations that aid tenants facing eviction.
Tax-funded legal service providers have received a lot of criticism for deliberately slowing down housing courts and effectively forcing landlords to house non-paying tenants.
House Republicans also propose blocking any funding of enforcement of the Biden administration's "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing" rule, which requires jurisdictions to report on barriers to "fair housing."
Biden Endorses Rent Control at First Presidential Debate
At last week's presidential debate, President Joe Biden endorsed rent control in his first answer of the night.
"We're going to make sure that we reduce the price of housing. We're going to make sure we build 2 million new units. We're going to make sure we cap rents, so corporate greed can't take over," said the president.
In April, the White House finalized new regulations that impose new income eligibility caps for residents at federally subsidized affordable housing developments. Because rents at subsidized housing are tied to residents' incomes, this is a de facto rent cap.
That has the effect of limiting rent increases from tenants while excluding others from affordable housing programs altogether.
At the urging of progressive lawmakers and tenant advocates, the White House has also flirted with capping rent increases at multi-family properties with a federally backed mortgage. Doing so would face many practical and legal hurdles, and the idea is still very much on the drawing board.
Quick Hits
- California's Department of Housing and Community Development released a new report on which jurisdictions are behind on their state-set housing production goals. State law requires that places not meeting their goals must streamline the approval of new affordable and mixed-income housing projects.
- At a House Oversight Committee hearing, Republicans laid into HUD for the department's lax oversight of public housing agencies.
- Two years on, New Haven, Connecticut's affordable housing mandate has gotten no new affordable housing units built.
- The mayor of Cranston, Rhode Island, vetoed a zoning change that would have allowed eight units on a vacant property, instead of the four allowed by current zoning. The mayor said allowing an additional four units was not "orderly growth and development."
- The California Legislature nixed a ballot initiative that would have repealed a section of the California Constitution requiring that new public housing be approved by local referendum.
- Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz criticizes YIMBY zoning reforms, saying that one person's freedom to build is "another person's unfreedom." OK.
- YouTuber Mr. Beast has built and given away 100 new homes. By comparison, San Francisco has permitted 16 homes thus far this year.
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"Nothing correlates more with homelessness rates than high housing costs. And nothing drives up housing costs like government restrictions on building housing."
Depends on the type of housing. A development of $1.5 million McMansions isn't going to do anything about homelessness for folk who are living in shelters or on the street, broke, and not working.
Note that building $1.5 million McMansions does free up lower-priced housing for others. But you are correct: it has nothing to do with the lazy bums who simply do not want to be responsible productive worker bees, and as long as governments give them money for being lazy bums, why should they? And since they get more money and attention for making trouble, they are going to make trouble.
Note that building $1.5 million McMansions does free up lower-priced housing for others.
No it doesn't. Whenever that sort of housing is built in urban areas, it REDUCES the housing stock. Two-families or a house that was a boarding house are bulldozed to turn into single families. Apartment buildings are gentrified into condos with fewer units. And then zoning prohibits anything incremental. You can see it all over the country. Urban areas have a LOWER population and fewer housing units - in the same area.
If incremental housing is built, it is in the suburbs where greenfield land is developed into housing. But those are also the places where there were no people before. Duh! So there is no new housing unless it is also combined with the whole transportation/relocation thang. And that combination is exactly how those suburbs restrict housing. By mandating roads first - and reducing nearby jobs that don't require commutes (the preference for bedroom communities rather than actual towns) - and thus requiring more sprawl. Whatever new housing exists there is not really lower price if transport costs/time are included.
…preference for bedroom communities..
Damned people and their stupid preferences!
The preference is fine. Shoving housing problems on other communities while gathering in (and more than that) all the govt housing subsidies/distortions is welfare freeloading.
Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair.
This. Newbuild housing has almost never done anything to expand the rental stock in any serious way. That is why muni govts end up adding a whole bunch of affordable housing mandates to apartment construction. Because absent that the effect of newbuilds on rental housing stock would be ZERO. Most newbuilds in built up areas REDUCE the housing stock. Everyone knows that.
Repurposing existing housing stock is what adds to rental stock - and the restriction there is zoning. Because rental housing is CHEAPER than homeownership housing. Not more expensive with newbuilds. We choose not to understand that because most of us benefit from govt subsidies re housing and FYTW when that harms housing for that part of the population that rents.
Back in the day the federal govt did not subsidize housing investment - before munis started zoning - and there was plenty of rental stock. But of course that was before govt subsidies for housing and we ain't gonna give that up.
There was a time when we had rooming houses, but those are illegal now.
I know. Some of them were still around when I graduated from college and they were the reason I could be really mobile - getting higher income jobs - the first couple years.
Far before then - before the Standard State Zoning Enabling Act of 1922 and the 'Own Your Own Home' campaign of 1921 - when they were ubiquitous, they accounted for 30%+ of total housing stock in any city and provided income for widows who were able to stay in their former house. They were what enabled 20% or so of the population to move each year which in turn allowed Americans to take advantage of the geographic upward mobility that is now limited to immigrants and that is now considered welfare state burden. And at the really low-end, is what allowed for bums to do migrant seasonal work.
There is a huge cost to have govt subsidize and distort housing in order to create a perfect little Babbitt town.
Ok, boomer.
Homeless is not caused by lack of "affordable housing" but by personal choices. The homeless are mostly mentally ill or drug addicts..they are not working and not looking for work. If there are no affordable housing in the area why do they stay? If there are no jobs in the area why do they stay? Like the hobos of old, the homeless have no desire to leave their current situation. Towns have a right to deport the hobos and homeless as they are a public nuisance. Again, the morons at Reason create a straw man (homelessness is caused by those horrible people who worked hard and don't want riff raff moving in) to justify their desire to force folks into their utopia..cosmo enclaves. Sorry but the hobos need to be turned away at every opportunity. Ship the homelss to abandon military bases where they can dry out, get mental help and haircut and bath.
No, no, no!
The kind of homeless people who cause all the trouble are those who DO NOT WANT to live indoors and be responsible for maintaining their living quarters. They are lazy, carefree, and even evil, some of them. They want to live outdoors and not work for a living.
Pretending that these bums would be productive citizens if only homes cost $300,000 instead of $500,000 is willful blindness.
You get more of what you subsidize. Ever hear that before? Showering lazy bums with money attracts more bums. Most of them are not evil. But most of them are lazy, and if you throw money at them, they aren't stupid and they will take it.
Pretending that these bums would be productive citizens if only homes cost $300,000 instead of $500,000 is willful blindness.
Stop stealing my jokes.
Bring back vagrancy laws.
Guy wants a new First Blood series for the 21st century.
So, yes, make the vagrant an ass kicking black lesbian.
...with a katana.... that hunts zombies....
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but this isn't entirely wrong. I can accept that people don't want to be homeless derelicts. But, that isn't the entire question, is it? People can very well not want to be homeless derelicts and not want to forego the behaviors and life decisions that leaves them homeless derelicts.
As Shellenberger and others have pointed out, the "homeless" population includes a contingent that essentially chooses the vagrant lifestyle. These hobos might take advantage of free housing, but only on their terms, which means accommodating their habits and behaviors without imposing any rules or requirements. Otherwise, they would rather live on the street and make life shittier for others nearby.
Don't lock them up for rejecting civilization (do lock them up for actual crimes) but don't tolerate their crap, literal and figurative.
Are they really rejecting civilization if they insist on living in the middle of it?
That’s where the free stuff is.
This is the point I keep making.
In the past, people who didn't want to be part of civilization went off into the woods and became hermits. I'd be fine with these folks doing that. But they're not doing that, they're rejecting civilization and also insisting on being smack in the middle of it.
And fuck that shit.
One man's "lazy" is another man's "different priorities."
The fundamental question, perhaps unspoken, is who is required to pay the external costs of homelessness.
The US Constitution did not establish a right to government funding of alternative housing choices. Nor did it establish a right to position oneself near to panhandling opportunities.
There's a reason that homeless people prefer city parks to national parks. Because city parks are close to all the people who would prefer not to be near the homeless.
Lazy also means expecting others to do the work that benefits him.
Probably correct. But you're just admitting you're a fucking welfare leech when you admit that housing prices are the obstacle. Because YOU are the lazy bum expecting house prices to always rise with no effort on your part at all. Even better when you implicitly understand that those higher house prices can usually be monetized (see inflation) via perpetual cash-out refis. You being a welfare leech is ok but those fucking bums....
Of course you believe that all Americans should be forced to buy a driveway, a garage, a yard, tons of furniture/etc to keep up with Jones', must stay in place so that the neighbors can enforce rules re mowing the lawn rather than moving to a place where there are better jobs, etc. You prefer serfdom because white picket fence and its the American Dream ennit.
Poor Jfree, can’t afford a nice place.
Yeah I think that's the nut of the problem. How affordable would housing need to be to get an unemployed addict or a full blown schizophrenic to sign a lease? If rents dropped from 2000 to 1500 how many will pass the credit test? I have no doubt that there are responsible employed people who sleep in their car while they get their housing shit together but I suspect that they are much more the exception than the rule. This obsession with building "affordable" units seems kind of silly to me.
A statistically significant fraction of them won't take housing at $0 per month, if it comes with any sort of restrictions on their behavior. Restrictions like "don't set the place on fire".
Hobos..call them what they are. Towns should tell them to "move along"..not in our town.
Teh GOP should have some balls and close down HUD and every other woke agency created after 1960.
In many cases, HUD is paying jurisdictions for adopting policies that make it harder, not easier, to build housing. Grants are also going to fund vague planning activities that won't enable the creation of new units.
I seem to remember the Zen Master's response when all this shit was being cheered on...
Government funded housing is the spoils of theft at the end of a gun.
Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz criticizes YIMBY zoning reforms, saying that one person’s freedom to build is “another person’s unfreedom.” OK.
I’m not going to read Mr. Stiglitz’s remarks or thoughts on this, because I don’t need to, but I will respond to Britches’ “ok” remark.
Um, yes, in a purely philosophical sense– and this is without going into what specific pieces of “YIMBY” or “YIYBY” legislation might be a source of ‘un-freedom’, it is perfectly reasonable to imagine a completely unregulated world of property use that could result in losses of freedom for a neighboring property. Some may dismiss some of these losses to be unfortunate price-of-freedom side effects of living in an unregulated, free world, but they do in fact exist. I have no idea if Mr. Stiglitz takes this concept too far and suggests that any relaxation of byzantine zoning rules results in a disastrous loss of freedom, but based on Britches’ depiction of Stiglitz’s argument alone, my judgement is “he’s right”.
No! You're supposed to celebrate the fact that your leafy suburb with erstwhile good schools, nice drives and low crime has been turned into another semi-urban slug by the influx of Blackrock-financed poors!
As someone recently said, there is a BIG difference between advocating for something, and actually fixing something.
Advocating fulfills a need for a cause [got to have victims for this, to oppose "oppression etc.] and often provides money to those advocating; grants, salaries, all tax funded, of course.
None of these people want anything to be fixed; they just want to exploit it.
We Have To Protect Our Phony Baloney Jobs!
The Biden Administration, “Start building Commie-Housing!”
The House Republicans, “Cut HUD”
BOAF SIDEZ??????
BS
'The central question in the Grants Pass case is whether Grants Pass' public camping ban violated the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment" by effectively criminalizing the status of homelessness.'
No, you libertine idiot. Any claim that not enough free housing justifies stealing housing is as retarded as claims that not enough free food or free clothing justifies stealing food and shop-lifting a new wardrobe, despite what your criminally stupid liberal friend tell you at cocktail parties.
Cruel punishment is just that--punishment meted out for criminal offenses. Burning hobos at the stake is cruel; rousting them out of public parks and private alleys is not.
Realistically, the only way homeless rates can come meaningfully down is through serious land use liberalization that boosts home building and brings housing costs down.
Are you advocating for sub 5 digit mortgages?
If not, you are literally wasting everyone's time.
Here are my issues with zoning reform to fix homelessness...
1st, people are homeless for a variety of reasons. Some of the more common include alcohol/drug issues or the fact that they are missing a not insignificant number of their marbles. To folks who cannot hold down jobs, it matters little if the average rent is $3300 /month or $300 /month. No income, no housing. This type of homeless cannot be fixed with zoning reform; rather, it needs to be addressed with things like rehab, therapy, etc.
2nd, the situational homeless. Battered wives, people living paycheck to paycheck who were unable to stay afloat, people succumbing to unexpected mountains of debt, and various other victims of circumstance. Zoning reform "may" help those types down the road... maybe. Better solution? Get the fuck out of the city.
If you are willing and able to work, homelessness should only be a short term issue in your life. The country is a huge place and not all of it has astronomical housing prices and rents. There are a lot of ways a homeless person can get a Greyhound ticket out of town. So, here is a tip: Get on the bus and stop off in a small town 100+ miles from the nearest >1mil city. Go the the Chamber of Commerce and give them your story and explain that you are willing to work, but net may need some help till you can get on your feet. Most small town Chambers can and will help and will no ranchers, farmers, business owners, and others that can use the labor.
Here is another interesting tidbit... millions of people have streamed across our southern border over the past few years. Somehow the vast majority of them have somehow managed to not only find work, but have found places to live. Wonder if that has more to do with things like will, work ethic, and a willingness to relocate than housing reform? Maybe?
I believe in private property and I also believe that small groups should be able to collectively establish themselves and construct rules of acceptable behavior. I have problems when these groups grow into large or massive groups because they become rogue and fail to represent to desires and beliefs of the small group.
There is nothing wrong for a group of people decide that they don't want other people who are not invested in their collective set of rules to setup camp on property that they don't own, have not contributed to, and conduct themselves in a manner that offends the group that are vested in owning property and have contributed.
There is a fine line between many issues, but it should be obvious that squatting and living off the the backs of productive people is not sustainable nor desirable. People don't have issues assisting or lending a helping hand to people who have unfortunate circumstances, but are working hard to change future for the better without expecting a handout. People who are grateful for assistance are preferable to people who expect a handout and are insulted when they don't get what they want and cast blame and aspersions, pouting like a toddler having a tantrum.
Sounds like the 'group' should setup an HOA.
“Local governments love to blame Martin for rising homelessness because it relieves them of any real responsibility for the problem”
Government has the responsibility to house individuals - -Reason
Government not only has the responsibility, Government builds and produces things- NYC Housing Authority, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea and Reason
Individuals do not have responsibility for their lives—Reason
The problem here is that Robinson’s a bad precedent. Criminal penalties for status offenses aren’t cruel or unusual punishment, they’re violations of the US 5th amendment and similar provisions of state constitutions. Trouble is, the precedent was set at a time the federal courts would’ve climbed over mountains to avoid saying such things are deprivations of liberty. The 8th amendment (and similar provisions in state bills of rights) was never meant to cover such cases.
In deciding Martin and Grants Pass, the 9th Circuit similarly reasoned that enforcement of camping bans when shelter beds were maxed out effectively criminalized the "status" of homelessness.
And to do so, they willfully ignored the fact that shelter beds are rarely - if ever - maxed out because bums choose not to use them. Why?
Because you can't do drugs there.
Nothing correlates more with homelessness rates than high housing costs.
Except drug use.
Lifting restrictions on building homes is something local governments could easily do on their own initiative.
This is retarded. This is like grade school reasoning.
"Kids, what could we do to help the homeless?"
"Build more homes!"
Here's the reality though - it's not like these bums and vagrants are just down on their luck and trying to get back on their feet. They're not beggars with a heart of gold, dreaming of being stockbrokers and solving Rubik's Cube's to pass the time.
Most of them are addicts, many of them are criminals, and few of them have any desire to be a functioning member of society. The ones who do - THEY go to shelters. THEY get clean. THEY get entry-level job training. Those shelters? They're 60-80% VACANT most of the time. They don't WANT help.
And if you give them a house, all you're doing is creating a crackhouse. Or, more likely, some kind of pre-fab slum apartment complex which quickly becomes a drug/prostitution den, that all the normal citizens know to avoid, that criminals quickly exploit, and that is the government simply hiding the real problem.
At that point, we're actually BETTER OFF putting them in jail.
You have to address the real problem, Christian. And one of the really big ones that is a huge contributor to homelessness is the drugs.
And not one single person at Reason has a realistic or reasonable desire to do ANYTHING about that, because you think it's an acceptable trade-off for your own recreational drug use.
Until you're even slightly serious about the drug problem, then you're not at all serious about the homelessness problem.
they willfully ignored the fact that shelter beds are rarely – if ever – maxed out because bums choose not to use them. Why?
Because you can’t do drugs there.
That is not the only reason and not even the main reason. The main reason the homeless don't like shelters is because there is ZERO storage of anything there. No clothes, no food, no protection (like a dog), etc. And most shelters require a double move every day - leave carrying all possessions in the morning to go somewhere (most munis prefer walking miles away) and return at end of day. And unlike the old cage hotels or SRO's, there is no safety to sleep. They are FAR worse than a tent and deliberately so - even though they are far more expensive for a muni.
So, jail it is.
Indeed. The way JF presented it, that really does sound like the most humane course of action.
There are cheaper alternatives.
Then we're paying too much for our prison system. I've suggested reforms on that before. You don't seem interested.
Do you know WHY there's no storage of anything there? Do you know WHY they have to take their stuff with them? They're not hotels, JFree. Nor are they short, or even long-term residences. The bed isn't "yours" for as long as you need it. The shelters can't secure anybody's belongings, nor can they adequately screen all that junk for health/safety risks. To say nothing of the fact that every stolen shopping cart full of bum garbage displaces a bed that could be slept in.
Plus, what did these bums keep bringing to the shelters with all their possessions?
It starts with a D.
Go ahead, suss it out. I'll wait.
And the problem will keep getting worse.
I'll wait.
So, at the end of the day, what you're basically saying is that we should build taxpayer-subsidized crackdens for people who refuse to take any responsibility or accountability for their own lives, so that they can continue their drug use and provide no contribution to society whatsoever. Have I got that about right?
Seems to me that if libertarians believe in property rights they accept the fact that those rights may be in competition. There is nothing "NIMBY" about trying to protect the value of your investment whether you own a 2 bedroom bungalow or a 50 unit high rise. Christian lectures us every week about his fantasies that government can regulate us into a free market housing market wherein every illegal migrant who wanders across the border can sign a lease on "affordable" housing. I honestly don't see a libertarian angle here and I'm done wasting time on this crap.
He's the Zoning counterpart to Fiona.