Chase Oliver Is the Libertarian Party's Presidential Pick
After a highly contentious convention, Oliver won the nomination on the seventh ballot.
Two years ago, Chase Oliver burst onto the Libertarian political scene by forcing a runoff in the Georgia Senate election—a result that ultimately determined the majority in the U.S. Senate.
Now he can aim to leave an even bigger mark.
Oliver won the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination in dramatic fashion Sunday night, prevailing on the seventh round of balloting after running second in each of the first five rounds. Oliver received 60.6 percent of the vote in the final round, finally clearing the 50 percent threshold for victory against "none of the above," the only alternative that remained on the ballot after Oliver narrowly won a sixth-round showdown with professor-turned-podcaster Michael Rectenwald, who had led the count in each of the first five rounds.
"I am extending my hand. Take it, and be a partner with me in liberty," Oliver said in his victory speech, making a pitch to his opponents within the Libertarian Party, which has been riven for the past two years by a deep divide over tactics and principles.
It was a fitting end to a tempestuous convention that saw Libertarian delegates loudly boo former President Donald Trump during an unorthodox appearance by the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
Oliver, a 38-year-old gay man from Atlanta with socially tolerant and pro-immigration views, delivered a passionate response after Trump's speech to the convention on Saturday. Now, he will get to spend the next six months competing directly against Trump and President Joe Biden, two men more than twice his age. After winning on Sunday, Oliver promised to keep pressing a message that neither major-party candidate is likely to offer.
"I will continue to bring a hopeful and positive message of liberty to both those who consider themselves libertarian and those who don't know they are libertarian yet," Oliver promised in his victory speech.
"Chase is a hard worker, a gifted messenger, and very much not an octogenarian," says Joe Bishop-Henchman, a former Libertarian Party chairman who was not a delegate to this year's convention.
Oliver's victory on Sunday night was a blow to the Mises Caucus, the right-leaning faction that took control of the Libertarian Party at the 2022 convention and that had orchestrated Trump's appearance at the convention. That faction's preferred candidate was Rectenwald.
For much of Sunday's lengthy balloting process, it seemed like Rectenwald might narrowly prevail—even after giving a rambling, somewhat incoherent speech on Saturday night, after which he admitted that he'd been high on an edible.
No candidate got close to an outright majority in the first round of balloting, completed in mid-afternoon on Sunday. Rectenwald led the field with 28.2 percent, followed by Oliver with 19.7 percent and Mike ter Maat with 15.3 percent. There were 11 votes for "none of the above" in the first round, along with write-in votes for Trump (6) and Stormy Daniels (1), among others. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is running as an independent and made a last-minute bid for the Libertarian nomination as well, received slightly more than 2 percent of the vote and was eliminated.
The second, third, and fourth rounds of voting whittled down the field but were hardly decisive. Rectenwald maintained his lead over Oliver, who pulled away from the rest of the contenders as Rectenwald's clear rival.
It was the fifth round that provided the first indication of the final outcome. With tech entrepreneur Lars Mapstead eliminated, Oliver and ter Maat swept up dozens of additional votes while Rectenwald's momentum faltered.
After being eliminated in that round, ter Maat extended an endorsement to Oliver from the convention floor—in exchange for being Oliver's vice-presidential choice. (The Libertarian Party selects the two positions in separate votes.* But the winner of the presidential nomination typically has significant influence in the outcome of the second contest.)
After ter Maat announced his endorsement of Oliver, members of the Mises Caucus said they had offered ter Maat the vice-presidential gig as well. The competing offers complicated the final round of voting, but ter Maat's embrace of Oliver seemed to tilt the outcome.
There was widespread media attention in recent weeks fixated on whether the Libertarian Party would nominate a prominent non-Libertarian like Kennedy or even Trump.
Neither got anywhere close to winning. Kennedy was eliminated after the first round of balloting, while Trump did not even qualify for the first round and received just six write-in votes.
It was at times a slog, but Oliver—who has already campaigned in all 50 states—is the Libertarian Party's standard-bearer for 2024.
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The Chase for the Presidency.
He better have a Trump card, otherwise he’s just Biden his time until November.
We'll have to see if he can Weld together a good coalition.
The whole group can suck my Johnson.
Oooh, watch it, Kamala might send her vice squad after you.
They arrest and convict anyone who doesn’t Browne nose them. They even Barr folks from appealing.
I was wondering what sockmuppet fakemask Ram Johnston would be crying into about now!
He’s Bush league.
He'll need to find a good campaign slogan or rally song, some sort of earworm that can get in peoples' brains.
God prosper long our noble lords,
Our lives ,and safeties all!
A woefull hunting once their did
In Chevy Chase befall.
Chase is bigly badder than Weld, and , what's worse, poorer than Theil
HAHAHAHAHAHA... cry louder!
Oliver, a 38-year-old gay man
Dang. Was rooting for RFKJr. If he won he could have gotten enough attention to show how rigged the system is against third parties. But no. They picked someone that Trump supporters can demean. Always attack the person, not their ideas. What are his ideas? No one will know. No one will care. He’s gay. That’s all anyone will know, attackers and defenders alike.
What are his ideas? No one will know. No one will care. He’s gay.
Maybe in the next article Reason can move on from telling us he's gay, showing us the picture of Rainbow Flag v 1232.48.g3-767v.448 and tell us what his ideas are.
To be fair to Oliver, that was Reason leading with identity politics and not the candidate. Yeah, it also looked like an identity politics photo shoot.
The picture shows him with a rainbow Gadsden flag and a revolver that’s older than he is, probably borrowed it from a relative for photo shoots.
Perfect Reason Libertarian.
Let’s see how much money the Libertarian party can blow to get less than 1% of the popular vote.
Not perfect for Reason unless he declares borders unjust. And gets the Koch endorsement.
Want to see how bad he is?
Chase Oliver, recognized as the "most influential Libertarian" by Rolling Stone,
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aligning with the Libertarian Party after an encounter at the Atlanta Pride Festival in 2010.
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He advocates the adoption of Ranked Choice Voting to avoid future runoffs.
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Create a simpler path to citizenship for immigrants who are already here.
https://www.votechaseoliver.com
Discusses nothing about welfare reform, deregulation, etc.
He also pushed for wear the mask, get the jab, and social distence.
It's mor of a proggie shill fag than jo
"He also pushed to wear the mask, get the jab, and social distancing."
If true, Reason and the Jeffy brigade just found their perfect candidate.
Also federal protections for favored classes.
Oliver noted his support for federal LGBTQ anti-discrimination protections,
https://www.wabe.org/georgia-gops-top-candidates-move-harder-right-on-lgbtq-issues/
The Libertarian Party has nominated activist Chase Oliver for US president, who pledged to ‘end the genocide’ in his acceptance speech.
Also wants to subsidize student loans.
https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/chase-oliver/policies/education
Outside of Ukraine he aligns almost perfectly with leftist activists.
He’s also a past Obama supporter. And probably still is for the most part.
"Past Obama supporter." So anyone who isn't (your preferred sort of) libertarian from birth is disqualified?
Sure, he can “disqualify” anyone he wants.
Plus the dude sounds like a garden variety democrat. So there’s that….
Was Obama in any way libertarian?
He is disqualified. Based purely on his Obama friendly leftist anti libertarian platform.
a revolver that’s older than he is, probably borrowed it from a relative for photo shoots.
It is, or very much looks like, a Smith and Wesson Model 10 .38 Special, a.k.a. “Military and Police”.
Personally, from pretty much every perspective, it is probably the most cucked “I’ll wear what I think is a symbol of your cause as part of my political skin-suit.” pistol he could’ve chosen. He may as well have a brand new M1 carbine clone slung over his shoulder to show how rugged, pro-America, and pro-military he is while he was at it.
Yup. Another person indistinguishable from a Democrat.
He is a former Obama supporting, pro child transing communist.
IOW what Reason considers totes "libertarian."
Kind of mixed message, showing him running under a symbol of totalitarian conformity.
When you're a leftist, you start with identity politics. Qualifications and platforms don't matter.
Well, chase is the most left leaning member there. Explains the reactions the rest of the weekend. More evidence the big L is still dems cosplaying. This is the worst pick of the candidates but the one I expected because big L is a joke.
Trump is far more libertarian this guy.
Trump is a lot like Mussolini. He has promised a dictatorship on day one to imprison his political opponents. He wants to use the government to protect favored special interests and boasts about that.
If Trump is Libertarian then the word now means the opposite of what it used to mean.
Charlie is a lot like a retard. He blindly repeat MSNBC narratives on a libertarian site.
Sorry. He is retarded.
As he supports Biden publicly saying he is ignoring the USSC, pushing censorship, and arresting political opponents.
This is painfully dumb. Trump said that in the vein of going after criminals in the government. Any comparison between Trump and Mussolini is batshit crazy.
Hey stupid, we already had four years of Trump. If he was going to imprison his political opponents, as Biden has done, he would have locked up Hillary, and many other democrats.
Seriously, are you capable of any independent thought? Or are you completely in thrall to the democrat hive mind?
Relax, they did the same thing to Ross Perot, yet his spoiler votes got Clinton to pretend to cut spending. They also baited Tonie Nathan for being a gurrrl, and Libertarian Defense Caucus champion John Hospers who, unlike GOP traitor Nixon, favored defenses against incoming nuclear missiles. Oliver scored at ten cents a vote in redneck Georgia, where the looter Kleptocracy had to spend two hundred times as much per vote! https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2022/11/12/libertarian-dollars-matter/
(Bill) Clinton looks absolutely libertarian on spending compared to Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. A two-trillion dollar budget with hardly any deficit.
You sure about that? Read his actual proposals.
https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/clintons-budget-higher-taxes-and-more-spending
He was forced into cutting by the House under Gingrich.
Imagine if Trump had Gingrich instead of big spending McConnel and big spending Pelosi.
Eh, would 9/11 Newt REALLY have cut anything of substance if he had a Republican White House, or would it have just been chickenhawk neocon wish-list time?
We'll never know for sure, but it's definitely been neocon/neolib totalitarian wish list time for 23 years and counting now.
I know Gingrich and Congress (and the electoral threat of Perot) held Clinton in check from what he wanted to do, but results count too.
"But no. They picked someone that Trump supporters can demean. Always attack the person, not their ideas."
Fuck me. I've seen Sarcasmic build excellent strawmen before, but this one is spectacular.
And the hypocrisy is a thing of beauty too. He accuses them of attacking the person, not their ideas, while attacking the people, not their ideas.
A++ trolling attempt.
Meanwhile the vast majority of critical comments against Oliver are his policy base, his ignorance of libertarianism, and his actions.
Like sarc, Oliver has likely never read an actual book on libertarianism.
He likely plays pretends and lies about it like Sarc does.
'Oliver, a 38-year-old gay man from Atlanta with socially tolerant and pro-immigration views'
Let's not pick quotes devoid of all context. The reporter gave at least some indication of his Oliver's views. I'm glad to see he is pro-immigrant, for instance. His sexuality is irrelevant however and should not have even been mentioned.
Mute list: JesseAZ, sevo
How dare I post from Chase Olivers own website. Lol.
Mute list: JesseAZ, sevo
Looks like Sarc is socking and bragging about his list again today.
You poor soy
Its very nice of you to ensure you include a list of who you're muting. Because that's totally a very mature thing to do.
Adults, real adults, don't just mute and move on. They make sure those they're muting know they're being muted. That'll teach 'em!
Of course he's pro-invasion because that's not libertarian.
You know, this is Reason and the picture at the very top screams gay. So it’s not because of Republicans that I’m now very aware he’s gay. It was the Rainbow “don’t tread on me” flag that a libertarian rag put front and center.
Correct. But in fairness, Chase’s entire identity is his homosexuality. It may be difficult to find a picture of the guy without a rainbow or drag queen nearby.
If he were suddenly rendered straight there would be nothing left of him.
Is this the same RFJ Jr. who promised to imprison all climate change deniers like me?
That RFK Jr.?
No thanks.
I'll pass on that closet fascist turd.
Do you REALLY want to praise the fervently pro-drag queen story hour, pro-open borders clown ideas?
I'm not sure if I should support him until I know what flavor ice cream he likes.
Semen
Bud Light.
which he takes in the can...SORRY FOLKS YOU CALLED THE GAY STUFF DOWN WHEN YOU CRAPPED ON THE GADSDEN FLAG AND RAINBOWED OIT. next time think it through. you jerk offs just made the Libertarian party a meme.
100% Ben & Jerry's
Maybe Rocky Road or New York Super Fudge Chunk.
okay, that's funny
Never heard of him.
However, he threw his lot in with Hamas in his victory speech. So he's ceiling is entirely lifted up by leftists.
He's a woke lefty. The only L candidate I actively opposed. I guess the establishment have reasserted their control and pushed Mises out.
I hoped the reported sentiments of the convention crowd were misleading, but it sounds like progressives still control the national party
Yeap. His platform isn’t much different from Kamalas VP platform. Like at all. The same liberal buzzwords.
No jail time, unlimited immigration, no welfare reform, etc.
Big L is captured.
ACB, all cops are bastards, abolish the police, on homeless encampments “free housing is a human right”. Hamas supporter, welfare state collapse through mass migration.
All roads lead to “just tax the rich”
Standard leftist
But he's wearing a gun.
So?
So by definition he's not a "standard leftist."
Hamas is also the opposite of Libertarian.
So are all you democrats that support them.
LOL
Just dropping in to laugh at lolberts rejecting the one chance they'll ever have to be relevant so they can nominate a child molesting lib faggot.
Hilarious stuff.
look what the cat dragged in.
Still a racist, homophobic traitor I see…
Speak for yourself, anti-LDS bigot.
The Mormons CHOOSE to have patently false, racist, bigoted beliefs.
If they don’t want to be criticized they have the free agency to not have such abhorrent and stupid beliefs.
Daily reminder to everyone that KAR is ReEncognator.
Which also serves as a daily reminder that you are a delusional asshole.
Is that what you say when you look in a mirror?
Clock's ticking, tumor
Whatever, you pathetic coward
you both need to wrestle in battery acid.
You already responded to him on your other sock.
Funny you saying that. As you are a homicidal bigot.
Hey Nardz. Were did you go?
Sarcasmic has been a little too triumphant lately about your absence. Go give him a kick.
Aww! You missed your racist, homophobic, antisemitic pal!
Fuck off, KAR. Go dox another widow.
Aww, you don’t like people pointing out you’re pals with a deranged, racist, homophobic, antisemite.
No, we’re just sick of retarded bigots, like you.
Reason got boring.
Same arguments day after day after day after day.
Some of you are interesting but too often get drawn into the same old dialectic.
On top of that, I have become significantly worse.
Don't want to scare you normies too much.
So you’re an even bigger pathetic coward than you were before?
You’re a massive coward. Too scared to even kill yourself.
Sure, it’s great that he’s gay and everything, but he’s no pansexual atheist radical individualist.
Boring. Pass.
I feel certain he would have the respect of our friends in the Middle East.
HE'S GAY???!!!
Why didn't Reason say anything?
Your own Trademark says it all. And since I'm not Chemjeff, your own faculties are Terrible And Unfair to you.
Lol. It’s cute how you keep trying to shoehorn that in where it makes no sense.
It’s like sparring with a child.
Nothing you say makes sense, so it's just your speed, dipshit.
He’s also desperate to work his jerkstore burn in too.
Oliver, a 38-year-old gay man from the Atlanta suburbs
Did he move? Oliver lived and ran for congress in GA-5, John Lewis’ district. Lol! His campaign headquarters are at my closest Kroger.
He’s 38 AND gay? What an amazing list of accomplishments.
It was like Al Davis made this selection.
Just win baby!
He's got the Mayor Pete resume.
Does he like trains?
No, but trans are ok.
Including transing kids.
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1794941706279977332
No. Just his own household.
Wow, I thought Jo Jorgensen was bad when she went BLM. This guy is even worse. How does that not come up in the voting process? Disgusting and a non negotiable stance for me.
Perhaps he likes trans trains run on him.
Has he mismanaged a small midwestern town?
Pete actually won an election once.
Voters in former slavocracy Georgia remember the libertarian who forced their sissies into a runoff after they struggled sooo hard to ignore us. Ten Cents a Vote would make a good movie even if Barbara Stanwyck and Ricardo Cortez are no longer around. But at least Herbert Hoover's girl-bullier party was repelled bigly!
I don't care if someone is gay or trans or whatever, but I don't think it should be central to their identity and shoved down people's throats (ie, the rainbow shirt and rainbow Gasden Flag)
It's a sign that all they care about is virtue signaling how woke they are.
So I guess he's a perfect Reason candidate
Looks like another built in failure explaining "I told you so" when he gets <400,000 votes. Whole string of those over the years: If we only ran Ravenal; if we only ran Hunscher; if we only ran Boddie; if we only ran Means; etc. etc.
Pretty much. Flying that rainbow identity flag is sure to lose tons of potential votes from people that don't care that he is gay but don't need to hear about over and over. People are pretty much fed up with identity politics at this point.
The LP never ceases to shoot itself over and over in it's quest to remain irrelevant.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Cry harder! Fling more ordure! Bite that carpet!!
Haha. Well, hank responds to pandering. That’s one vote.
Go spoil ‘em hank!
But he’s gay!!!
Taibbis substack has videos of gays roadshowing small rural country towns, with bullhorns, shouting
We’re queer we’re gay we’re here to stay.
The struggle sessions will continue until everyone gets in line. You won’t believe big gay brother, you’ll love big gay brother.
Trannies have a mental disorder. Would you elect a skitzo?
Yea, I'm not voting for a pedo twink. Nor will I apologize for my refusal to do so.
The two most well known child sex abuse scandals in this country are the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts. Both Christian organizations that didn’t allow gays.
By your logic all heterosexual Christians are pedos.
I hope you are able to someday see how wrong and hateful you are.
They're only well-known because the woke media refuse to report all the pedo politicians installed by the wokies.
To be fair, it’s pretty hard for politicians and celebrities to get the justice they deserve when they have Homeland Security to clean up evidence for them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/arts/music/diddy-sean-combs-home-raided.html
Link includes pics of agents carrying bags of evidence out of P Shithead’s houses.
dont forget the members of the teacher's unions
Like these?
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/report-500-sexual-misconduct-complaints-against-chicago-public-school-employees/
What? No hot young female teacher and her 16 year old boyfriend? (preferably with photos)
(preferably of the teacher!)
Hot For Teacher!
Van Halen!! https://youtu.be/6M4_Ommfvv0?t=57
There’s plenty of cases of heterosexuals and Christians having child porn too ya know.
Seeing as heterosexuality is default and there are 2 billion x-tians, the fact that the pederast spread is almost 50/50 kind of makes your protestations ridiculous.
Get out of shithole Prince George and you may realize your numbers are off.
Umm, the public schools dwarf both the church and scouts in child molestation numbers. Just not publicized by our propaganda networks.
Ok, read further. No, don't feel bad about not including a cite. Seems to be comm knowledge.
The biggest group of pedos are teachers.
Government teachers.
Most are heterosexual and many are Christian!
Yes, it’s normal Christian teachers, and not sexually deviant groomers, who are pushing gay porn on the elementary schools. Nailed it.
Hey, LOTT, a little help over here?
Well, she’s probably busy. Just go follow her feed. It speaks for itself. You LGBT pedos can’t help yourselves from saying the quiet part out loud anymore.
Here's one.
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1794138477153649151
Why else would you take a job working with kids all day?
Because you feel inadequate around adults?
Kids are like adults, but even more annoying.
Here’s another anecdotal fallacy:
Someone in my family was molested in scouts. I know multiple people who were sexually assaulted by Mormons or in one case the abuse was covered up by Mormons. I know a few Catholics that were abused too.
I have gay family members and friends and haven’t encountered any wrongdoing from anyone in the LGTBQ community.
From my perspective the Bible humpers are the real threat to kids.
You bigots are becoming a smaller and smaller minority, but the few of you that are left are getting louder and more extreme.
If I was you Bible humpers I would just shut the fuck up. Real Americans are fucking sick of trouble you keep causing.
You are a very small minority. Real Americans like me have you vastly outnumbered and outgunned.
Shut the fuck up already .
I have gay family members and friends and haven’t encountered any wrongdoing from anyone in the LGTBQ community.
Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11658079/Gay-Atlanta-couple-charged-raping-adopted-sons-pimped-local-pedophiles.html
There is an entire segment of gay men who look for teenage boys to turn gay. They don't even hide it.
The gay rights movement originally included abolition of age of consent laws as part of its platform. They finally removed that in the early 80’s because it was political kryptonite. This does not mean those same people still don’t support that. And we’re starting to see the evidence that they do. As they grow steadily bolder.
It is impossible to "turn (someone) gay". The science is clear on that.
Ever notice how homosexual male couples have an extreme tendency to adopt/surrogate boys instead of girls, and that those circumstances often result in sexual abuse of the child?
Oof:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15825933/
Ugh:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15941101/
Eep:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14723445/
It's... just what they do. Google "Zulock" for a recent example. Try to hold down your lunch. And murderous impulses.
Here’s an anecdote. I was forced to make out with my sister when I was 7 years old by my gay baby sitter (still in the closet). She wouldn’t feed us until we did.
I’ve seen more sexual predation among gays than straights. I spent a ton of time in performing arts as a teen.
I have never known anyone sexually abused by a priest or in scouts.
I was pointing out the gay bashers on here always cite specific cases to say all or most LGTB folks are pedos. I was pointing out that’s an anecdotal fallacy.
“ (still in the closet).”
Is she married to a man? Have a family? That would make her heterosexual ya know right?
Irony because you started calling our groups and defending public schools.
Where did I defend public schools?
For the record, I've not once said that "all or most LGBT pedos" are pedos.
What I have said is, whether they're engaged in the despicable practice or not - a larger-than-not percentage of them (though, not by much) are pedo enablers. Which is just as bad.
If you are LGBT, or you support them in any way shape or form, then you are in fact enabling the pedophiles. No different than how people who are "pro-choice" (whatever that means) are enablers of those who commit abortion.
You don't get to detach the two, Kar. They go hand-in-hand by definition. The same cannot be said for Christians or scouts or whatever else you'd like to try and deflect to.
Why do you believe they go hand and hand?
I believe Christianity and Elvis sighters go hand in hand. They both believe a guy died but came back from the dead and will return.
Because they DO go hand-in-hand. They openly advertise this now. The LGBT wants to break (or corrupt) the parent/child relationship for the sole purpose of corrupting the child, with the singular purpose of exploitation. They want it in politics, they want it in media, they want it in education, they want it every where and every way and non stop.
The actions the LGBT pedos are engaged in against children can be described as nothing short of an onslaught. Everything from sports to story hour to social media to sit-coms – these predators are coming for them. They’re not even hiding it anymore. They’re singing songs and having parades about it.
Which, of course, is their death warrant. And not one single normal person on Earth will miss or lament them. They bring nothing to the table but predatory behavior against children. Even if they’re not openly raping them, they’re enabling those who want to and do.
This WILL NOT be tolerated by normal society. And you will all face the mortal consequences of your part in it within your own lifetime. I promise you that.
I have no skin in the game, Kar. None of this affects me in any way. I’m just telling you, as a student of history and humanity, how this game ALWAYS plays out. You are dead. You have ONE chance at avoiding that fate, but we both know your stupid sinful pRiDe is going to punch your ticket.
So be it. Don’t say you weren’t offered a better choice.
No, you were using your alleged anecdotal observations (assuming you’re not lying, which you probably are) as some kind of proof that only straight people of faith are pedophiles. Now you’re mad that your claimed experience is shown not to be representative of reality.
I’m surprised you didn’t claim that all pedos are white while you’re at it. You fucking bigot.
Forgive my last reply.
I’m sorry that happened to you. That sounds terrible.
However I do have a couple questions:
I assume you’re female? How do you know she’s a closeted homosexual? Is she in a heterosexual relationship or marriage?
Seriously, fuck you bigot.
"Someone in my family was molested in scouts. I know multiple people who were sexually assaulted by Mormons or in one case the abuse was covered up by Mormons. I know a few Catholics that were abused too."
Here KAR is practicing a old rhetorical technique popularly known as "making shit up".
Just because you lie all the time doesn’t mean others do too.
Sarc is rubbing off on you. Offer bald assertions then cry when called out.
What I said is true. My point was it’s anecdotal. I’m not accusing all Christians of being pedos like AT is with LGTB people and their allies. I don’t even accuse all Mormons of being predators. I simply point out the huge abuse problem in their church and suggest there’s a link to them idolizing their early leaders who were sex predators.
However, my experience has shaped my view and priorities.
Tell yourself what you want to explain your bigotry. Lol. Evidence isn't on your side. Why you are forced into anecdotes that are bald.
What did I say that’s bigoted?
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were sexual predators.
Yeah, he lives in his own little world.
You seem like a decent guy. Why do you have a problem with me?
You’re a massive bigot, and a leftist.
Lol. So your anecdote is a fallacy, KAR?
You are not smart. Pretty funny though.
I have gay family members and friends and haven’t encountered any wrongdoing from anyone in the LGTBQ community.
Except the ones they encountered in scouts and Mormons. Do you even hear yourself right now??
You misquoted me.
Is it wrong to say she looked basically the way I figured she would?
Apparently more and more female teachers. The number of teachers engaged in underage sex far outweighs the number of gay priests and boy scout leaders.
Makes me want to go back to high school.
A 2004 study by the Department of Education estimated that ten percent of students experience sexual misconduct by a teacher. Cited by the Innocent Lives Foundation in October, 2021.
Keywords "well-known." Lord knows that oceans of water are being carried by those in power and influence to help keep the LGBT pedos under wraps.
But everyone's finally waking up to your little rainbow cult. And they're coming for you.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with the subject matter. In a day where we desperately needed an alternative to Republicans and Democrats, the Libertarians proved - yet again, in spades - why they earned the name Losertarians. America is sick to death of Politics Status Quo - and the only thing you losers offer them is that which they despise the most. Good job. Great stupid job you dumb moron idiots. You jags want to lose. Every. Single. Time.
No! Why do you think LGTB characters are now so common in mass media?
Because the world is waking up to the fact that there’s nothing wrong with it.
Your whole argument is based on lies, stereotypes, and a 2000 year old mostly fictional book.
You backwards, Bible humping rednecks keep getting worse and worse. Please stay in your rural shitholes and keep your mouths shut.
No, it's because the creepy LGBTQWTF identity cult are pushing it like missionaries.
Remember that there is no such thing as gay, queer or transgender. There are people who prefer same sex sexual activity and that is it. They aren't a race, they aren't a species, they aren't an identity. They're just men who get hard for men, and women who are attracted to women. Nothing more.
So all this horseshit you're pushing is exactly that.
That was a failed attempt to sound smart and non-bigoted.
How so, Cancer?
Explain why.
Oh, and while I don't mind homosexuals, I am indeed incredibly bigoted against your rainbow alphabet cult.
When people face persecution, bigotry, and discrimination it’s more effective to get change by organizing into groups. The civil rights movement, American Indian Movement, Jewish groups were able to bring about the change they did by forming activist groups.
Even today after all the progress that’s been made there’s still people like AT and Nardz. People like them are also still far over represented in government.
Saying “I don’t hate gays I hate the alphabet people,” is like saying “I’m not racist I just don’t like the uppity n—-s like Martin Luther King.”
Are some being hyperbolic or pushing for things that aren’t right? Yes, but there were people like that in other movements. That’s not a good reason to oppose all of them.
So youre saying collectivism over individualism.
The problem for your leftist cults is they become cults.
The persecution, bigotry, and discrimination they face is entirely preventable. They literally bring it on themselves. It's not like race or gender where you literally wear it on your sleeve.
Sexual attraction - y'know, what the LGBT pedo community started with as "what we do in the privacy of our bedroom is nobody's business" - is NOT something that can be persecuted or discriminated against UNLESS you choose to make it everyone else's business.
And this is where the pedo cult ORIGINALLY went off the rails. When they tried to equate "sexual attraction" with "lifestyle choice." And most people - especially America and Europe - were VERY tolerant of those lifestyle choices.
Until you came for the kids.
And because you crossed that line, you're done. Normal America will come for you, and they will show you no mercy. I've warned you about this before, Kar. If you value your life, the single best choice you could make is to return to the original idea: keep it in the privacy of your own bedroom.
But keep rubbing it in everyone's faces - which is completely unnecessary btw - well, should I draw you the proportional probability chart of FA to FO? Your rainbow flag is now a bounty on your head. So, keep flying it if you want. See what happens.
The LGTB crowd is not going after kids anymore than Christians or anyone.
You’re just a slack jawed, uneducated, white trash bigot!!!
You’re in the minority you stupid inbred redneck! We have you vastly outnumbered and outgunned.
PLEASE, PLEASE start shit! I can’t wait to see what happens!
You will find out very quickly YOUR GOD DOESNT EXIST!
Yes. They. Are.
This is openly celebrated in mainstream news. This is openly praised by "pRiDe" groups. This is - and always has been - the end goal of the LGBT movement.
This is why they were never satisfied with "what happens in our bedroom." They kept pushing, and pushing, and pushing.
Towards children.
And now those children's parents are pushing back. And they'll kill you all. And I, for one, have zero intention of coming between those mama/papa bears and you rainbow degenerates who are poking them. This is a lesson you've needed to learn, the hardest way possible, for a long time.
And it's coming for you. And you've been warned. Make better life choices, or face your short, brutal future.
And if you want help with better life choices, you have but to say the word. I will help you. You can be fixed. But first you have to want to be. That part I can't help you with.
But I'm here when you're ready.
Saying “I don’t hate gays I hate the alphabet people,” is like saying “I’m not racist I just don’t like the uppity n—-s like Martin Luther King.”
No.
Don't be retarded you stupid fuck.
It's more like saying "I’m not racist I just don’t like BLM" or "I don't like the Crips". Except not even then, because ancestry is a state of being while homosexuality is a behavior.
Did you honestly think you could get away with such an obviously fallacious analogy?
Your creepy, psychotic alphabet cult represents people who engage in homosexual activities as much as the Crips represent African Americans. Fuck, half of the freaks who identify as "Queer" nowadays aren't even homosexual.
If you got out of shithole Prince George you would realize that’s not true.
No, YOU make failed attempts to sound smart and non bigoted. This doesn’t work because you ARE a bigot, and you’re kind of dumb.
Lol. “Put a chick in it and make her gay! And make it lame!”
Hate to break it to ya KAR, but that is not going well.
"The two most well known child sex abuse scandals in this country are the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts. Both Christian organizations that didn’t allow gays."
The most PROLIFIC child raping group would, of course, be public school teachers.
I read about the Boy Scouys.
The most recent abuse allegations they could find happened in the 1980's.
I wonder why.
That’s just a bald faced lie.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/us/boy-scouts-sexual-abuse-allegations/index.html
“The Boy Scouts identified more than 12,000 alleged victims in that time period, from 1944 through 2016, according to the testimony, which was publicized Tuesday by attorney Jeff Anderson, who specializes in representing sexual abuse victims.”
How many of the abusers were LGBT?
Pedophiles have this tendency to go where their victims are.
They didn’t allow LGTB members you fucking inbred moron.
Try to keep up you imbecile!
Neither do the Catholics. They do this thing you tend to do. It’s called lying.
Goddamn, you’re stupid.
He's got all the veracity and honesty of an upstanding citizen like Sam Brin.
Probably the worst part is the moron thinks they're doing people a favor the way Ibrahim X. Kendi, Dylan Mulvaney, and Lia Thomas think they are doing people favors.
You forgot the abuse rates at Disney and public schools, both way higher than eighter. And when it was found out everyone was calling for the offenders to be executed. When it happens else where ie the public schools the media brushes it off
You democrat scum voted for rapist pedophile who molested his own daughter. And now your kind support pedophile tights.
You’re pure evil.
And both of those-Catholic church and boyscouts-preyed primarily on young boys, so it sounds like it was the gays who were pedos. Closet gays, but the gays yet again.
The two most well known child sex abuse scandals in this country are the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts. Both Christian organizations that didn’t allow gays.
OK, Boomer. If you're 30 or under, that's largely shit that happened before you were born. And things like "Epstein didn't kill himself." is a way better meme.
i was a scout and also a catholic schooler. apparently i wasn't sexy enough for them. no one chestered me. can i sue for that?
Well, your other options are a man who sniffs women's hair and a guy who pays hush money to porn stars. As far as I know, Oliver has never been called a sex pest so he's already leaps and bounds above the competition in that category.
He's literally wearing a "sex pest" shirt and waving a pedo flag.
To which stormy Daniels has already testified it was essentially extortion.
And cohen said he was embezzling.
The only guilty people there were called by the procecution
This Trumpanzee has been a less than successful libertarian impersonator plant by the George Wallace Caucus. Soooo sad.
He’s an Obama supporter you senile old fuck. He volunteered for him.
https://x.com/ChaseForLiberty/status/1290084929116635136?t=KAR7XenkwffXKLV_384wVw&s=19
I am happy I got to spend my Sunday out in the district supporting local businesses and speaking about the #LetHerSpeak rally this Saturday
#VoteGold #ChaseForHouse
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Trump's "enjoy your 3% of the vote each time" might be a tad optimistic.
No kidding. This may have the MC not voting libertarian. Oliver is largely a woke continuation of anti racist Jorgensen. Rolling Stone was puffing this guy up for fucks sake.
Especially with their new nominee. Although he will pull lots more votes from Biden than he will Trump. As it’s not like someone considering voting for Trump is going to be drawn to a former Obama henchman that supports most of the Obama agenda and whose entire persona is based around fucking other men.
he forgot the decimal point
This is a guy who keeps failing upwards in the libertarian party. His great success story is that he forced a runoff by getting a smaller percentage of the vote than the last libertarian to run for that seat. The previous time that seat was contested, Allen Buckley got twice as many votes as Chase Oliver did. In the other state Senate seat, Shane Hazel drew over 30,000 more votes than Oliver did in 2022.
His gift is spinning the fact that libertarians are losing votes in Georgia into the idea that because there was a runoff, he had a successful campaign. And it had nothing to do with the fact that the candidates were separated by less than 40,000 votes. The margin was less than 1%, so he can pretend that 2% is a victory even though the state has a history of providing a lot more support to libertarians.
And beyond that, he has little to boast about in terms of a career. He's unemployed living with a friend. He's a peacock, who likes to show up next to big political events and make a show about being present, but he's not seriously running for president. He wants to RUN for President, he doesn't want to be elected.
Still, he sounds better than Trump, Biden and RFK Jr.
In what way? The only thing we get he is he's gay, which given Reason means he's a progressive leftist.
That description does not sound better. Objectively.worse.
Has he built something, anything... buildings - like Trump...or
a corrupt family influence selling biz, like Brandon?
List his policy positions. In detail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Oliver#Political_positions
Here you go.
I asked you to. In detail. Not the summary from wiki. Lol. Details being the key. Not generic pablum.
https://www.votechaseoliver.com/platform
If you're too stupid too Google, you might be too stupid to vote.
Hey retard. I already linked to his page. It is pablum, no details.
Can you leftist retards form a coherent thought? His site is leftist pablum as I already stated above dummy.
Again. No details. But glad to hear you enjoy a good bumper sticker absent any thought or policy. Keep voting retard. Youre the problem with modern politics.
I'm not sure what answer would satisfy you. Will you not accept anything short of of Oliver himself posting a date stamped photograph to prove his realism followed by a lengthy explanation of his policy positions personally to you, or would that not qualify as "detailed" enough if he neglected to mention your favorite political hobbyhorse?
Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem, Jesse. You asked for it, I gave you a link. That you already had the link and couldn't understand what was there is on you, not me.
Oh fuck off with your middle-school sophistry. Those aren't actual policy positions, they're a handful of slogans.
Is Bill a Jeffy sock?
Hey, half the "rising stars" in the Democrat Party lose all the time too. (Beto, Abrams, etc.)
God, not another ugly motherfucker !
Why is he wearing a Rudy Giuliani necktie?
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Moar tearz, puhleeeez!
Oliver, a 38-year-old gay man from Atlanta
Ok, I know what he does with his dick and where he sticks it, now let's see what kind of candidate he actually is.
I mean, what more do you need to know? What other possible qualifications could trump sexuality and gender? Bigot.
Skin color is the most important thing.
Duh.
This.
He’s a honky!
That's pretty much all he's banking on.
Now shut up and go signal your virtue.
The looters felt on their cowardly girl-bullying hides what kind of candidate he is. Successful! Can you say Law-changing Spoiler Vote Clout??? Hmmmm?? They lose, we win, they repeal moronic laws and try, try again.
Well, its nice that Reason finally talks about the LP's candidates.
But his message on liberty seems like its going to be very focused on identitarian politics of the LGBTQwhatevers. The fact that we're talking about his sexuality, sex, and gender show how far we have to go in order to get back to the 2000's.
It was odd that none of the candidates up for it were ever even mentioned here, much less profiled.
Given that Reason is ipresently in no way libertarian, it makes a great deal of sense.
Yup exactly. Reason is another liberal Rag.
Now the count is 3 Democrats vs Trump.
Congratulations Cosmotarians.
I was previously considering voting Libertarian.
Me too. I was hoping the candidate would be worth it. But instead it's another leftists. Which I'm not shocked by.
Yeah, that's at least comforting that the democrat vote is split. Still extremely disappointing for the L party
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Louder, pleeeeaze. Sobbing girl-bullying prohibitionist is the best background noise ever!
Sobbing. I'm laughing my arse off.
I've been rooting for Donald Trump this time. The bowels of the Trump campaign couldn't have engineered an LP candidate more likely to siphon off votes from Biden while leaving him untouched. Even down to his support for Hamas. All the kids disaffected by Uncle Joe's support for Israel now have a guy to run to.
This is bad for the LP, to be sure. But, they dug this hole.
Yeah. Chase being chosen probably did more to shift libertarian (not big L) votes to Trump than him speaking at the convention.
Very true. Now Biden has to contend with RFK, Stein, this guy, and West siphoning off the kook progtard vote. Especially the Pro Hamas democrats. That Biden desperately needs to win.
Plus, cheating can only get the democrats so far. They actually do need some real votes too.
Maybe they'll split the lefty vote.
Frankly; I’m more concerned about him being a Democrat 15-years ago than his obsession with poopy butt-holes and his “save the forest” cries at the cop-city debate doesn’t add credit to his No-Regulation stances. Proposing Federal Legislation on the abortion debate also doesn’t sit well; that needs to be left to SCOTUS / US Constitution.
That said; his platform https://www.votechaseoliver.com/platform is indeed by far the best I’ve seen from a previous Democrat trying to run Libertarian. Of course so was Trump. I was extremely skeptical of Trump before he demonstrated by action he didn’t have Nazi impulses left over from being a Democrat. I’ll give him thumbs-up. Not that it matters. Trump stated it quite obviously; the Libertarian party has yet to seat any President and their best hope is Libertarian-Republicans like Ron Paul, Trump and Ramaswamy.
Their own bigoted TDS will keep that statistic alive as well as inadvertently giving the Nazi-Club wins in close states like, “in Wisconsin, where the gap between Biden and Trump stands currently at 20,557 votes, Jo Jorgensen received 38,393 votes. And in Arizona, where the gap between Biden and Trump is an even tighter 12,813 votes, Jorgensen received 50,636 votes — nearly four times the margin between Biden and Trump. Both of those states, which Trump won in 2016, went to Biden in 2020.”
Frankly I think 3rd Parties just cheat the finalists game. There’s a reason Football finals don’t throw more than two finalists on the field but I also think ranked-choice voting can address that (literally making finalists on-count live) so long as voters actually do ranked-choice.
You would think that link would be in the article….
Will Grant you that there should have been a Lincoln the article. Anyone Nixon that from inclusion may fall into the category of being Bush league. Or perhaps Eric is in a Hayes from holiday weekend celebrations. Without knowing his positions on issues, a vote for him could be a pig in a Polk.
Adams to that, we need to know his positions on the issues so we can figure what we can af-Ford in a candidate. Otherwise, he's just playing with his Johnson.
/Wilson one save us from these puns?
Both of you Coolidge.
I want a Candidate that supports the right to keep and bear RayGuns.
🙂
😉
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Congrats on joining the identity politics fad. Though you're late; it's getting less cool by the day.
He’s a white male. The fact he’s gay doesn’t keep him from being an oppressor.
#DidIIdentityPoliticsCorrectly
HAHAHAHAHA! More desperation, pleeeeaze!
Goddamn you’re stupid Hank.
(Pro tip: ridiculous hashtags are the fucking punchline to a joke.)
Be nice, Hank is like 106 or something. He can't help his dementia.
Gay White Males lost their Oppressed status decades ago.
I’ve heard Tim Pool’s interviewing Trump Monday evening.
Maybe Oliver can get The Jacket to interview him.
Pre wall Liz and Zach were looking for someone to interview: voila!
"McArdle's first tweet after winning ... mocked the L.P.'s recent past. She told the convention Friday she would not allow the party to "humiliate ourselves and alienate everyone""
The Mises Caucus takeover has made no difference in the impact libertarians make on the political process and it will not make any difference going forward. It does not matter whether the LP takes a purist approach or a pragmatic approach - the LP will not elect any Libertarian candidates to any powerful state or national positions. The voting citizenry - and the abstaining citizenry - will continue have no interest in Libertarians or in liberty and the media message they will continue to believe will be set overwhelmingly by the socialist mainstream media. The only chance libertarians have of impacting the authoritarian state will be to put all of our resources - with or without the LP - into replacing the two-party election system with a proportional representation system in every state legislature and Congress. Most Americans see the LP National Convention in terms of whackos and bizarros and will never even consider our political planks or our principles. The Mises Caucus will fail just as every other leadership has failed. The only function the LP serves is as a placeholder for some future when we can elect ten percent of the representatives to the legislatures and to Congress. But hey, enjoy the convention and the usual antics. Meanwhile serious libertarians will do what we can behind the scenes to change the election system.
Long before proportional rep delivers anything for Libertarians it will deliver absolute power to the Ds from which they will make sure no Libertarian gets even a whiff of power. If your hope is pop rep you are fooling yourself.
They used it to get their chosen one in Alaska... and will do the same elsewhere.
Alaska never had proportional representation. Seems like commenters here have no idea what proportional representation is. To have proportional representation you must not have individual candidates but party-list voting. The parties are voted on by the popular vote, then they allocate members to legislative seats according to the proportion the party got of the total vote.
sry… you’re right
I was thinking ranked choice - poor reading habits.
I was totally off base there – got them confused – my apologies !
Mind you - still dont care for proportional rep... will deliver pizza parliament style that will also favor progressives and lefties just because that is what we raise in this country.
GOP already rigged the ballot in AZ to keep Libertarians off. GOP deserves everything they get.
The MC is focused on local races, not national embarrassment. But you seem to prefer the latter.
Or we could all move to Idaho.
When I started to go to LP meetings locally in NY in 2007, the majority of folks were weirdos and nutjobs. Many looked like pedos...and were not focused on monetary policy or foreign policy but on lowering the age of consent. To be honest the LP has attracted degenerates for decades..unlike the libertarian thought leaders like Ron Paul who believe in liberty with morality. What occured again yesterday was the degenerates again ruling the day. Crazies who don't believe in nation states/borders, want to force identify equity and have some fixation on little kids. Until the LP gets rid of the pedos and weirdos and focused on liberty with traditional values..it will remain a joke to the mainstream.
I see in front of me a handsome young man who contrasts very sharply with the background of older candidates. Yes, his hair is a little funny)) My regular barber probably advised him something from low taper fade - https://glaminati.com/low-taper-fade-haircuts/ But on the other hand, he is very similar to the average person. This could give him extra points in this race.
Major networks worldwide are blaring Orange Hitler being booed by America's best libertarians. The Alternative für Germany nazis funding Mises MAGAts just got their white butts booted out of another EU looterbund. What a great day! Imagine, a presidential candidate who still has, original teeth and hair! No flab, can finish a sentence... Oh frabjous day, calloo callay!
Buffalo spaceship green idealize.
"I see in front of me a handsome young man who contrasts very sharply with the background of older candidates."
Fantastic! What better credentials could there be than that?
You'd be surprised by how often the candidate with the best hair has won.
Explains how Justin Trudeau got elected in Canada.
To be fair, Harper's hairstyle was really bad.
This is the hairdo Justin's flowing locks defeated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_Harper_by_Remy_Steinegger.jpg
So, the Libertarian Party, which last won an electoral vote (just one) in 1972, has decided to compete with the Democrats for the perverts and Nazis vote. Sorry, boys, but it's a bad strategy. The D's have those constituencies locked up.
This one's on Dave Smith.
A rainbow Gadsen flag and Rectenwald high on a gummy? Can this party be more of a joke?
I was wrong. I guess libertarians should vote for Trump.
at least there was no fat guy stripping for everyone this time... was there? (honestly asking - i didnt watch because after the surprise guests spoke noone cared what happend)
Suicide was really popular among National Socialists in the spring and summer of 1945. The LP has no problem legalizing medically prescribed cyanide tablets for you creeps to czech out with. Think of it... NOT having to see Orange Hitler lose again!
Well this is a hell of a day. I've been told to die twice, once for liking Trump too much and once for not liking Trump enough.
Ah yess, Dave Smith. That one is surely crying over the dashed hope of getting a presidential pardon and Medal of Honor for women's-clinic shooter Robert Dear. And shot to hell are fon Mises hopes of invading Canada and Mexico to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act, arrest thim bitches and Save The Babies for indoctrination into the Ludwig Von Mises Hitlerjugend. Sad day for Christian National Socialism's Fifth Column infiltraitors.
Where's Hanks nurse? It looks like he's been hiding his meds under his tongue again and spitting them out later.
Maybe they’ll switch to suppositories.
How do you feel about Gaza or Ukraine? Or AIPAC? As a good libertarian isn't it time to ban AIPAC and stop all US military weapons to the Zionist Regime?
Will be interesting to see what Ron Paul thinks of all this.
Libertarianism is a dead movement. When you are dead silent when the government used hyper-aggresive tactics during covid, you become illegitimate. Instead, you spend more time and effort engaging in TDS, and before you cry about he did this and that, you were STILL dead SILENT in 21-22, when the worst of it happened, and even today.
Dead Silence? There were a shit ton that were cheering it on. Freaking disgusting.
Go Team Cowpox! Ban physicians washing their hands!! Kill those women in childbirth!!! Christian Science go go go! Yaaaaaaay Donnie and Stormy!!
Hank apparently thinks mandatory experimental injections are the same thing as using soap.
Super libertarian.
You have to remember that Hank is ancient as fuck so he had a legitimate reason to be worried about Covid.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Is the Classical Liberal Caucus hiring these sockpuppets to entertain us with the stage howling and gnashing of teeth?
So once again the "Libertarian Party" wants the fascists to win
Gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeee
No but seriously though, if you are going to lean into the LGBTQ virtue signaling, just plan on throwing those votes in the toilet. The LGBTQ cult is a movement chalk full of authoritarian loons.
Your gay and want to fuck who you fuck? Congrats, awesome! Now STFU about it and be an adult. Pride shirt + pride flag? Ya, imma pass. Identity politics is maybe one of the biggest cancers of our current society and leaning into that is a non-starter.
Law-changing Libertarian Spoiler Votes sure do frighten these disgusting infiltrators, plants, agents and fifth-column fakes. The ownlife-minding folks Trumpanzees and bigots sought to bully and coerce from 2016 to 2020 remember the cretins who tired to get goons to harm them. Now comes another taste of unequal yet apposite reprisals...
You see. That is just a lie. The right has never gone-after people for having an obsession with poking poopy butt-holes. They just don't consider that disgusting obsession a mark of Gov-Gun entitlement.
"Identity politics is maybe one of the biggest cancers of our current society" indeed and a direct consequence of championing [WE] identity-affiliated RULES democracy (i.e. Gangland politics) and blatantly ignoring the very definition of what a USA is (US Constitution).
So the article tells us that he's gay and that he won. And nothing about his policy positions. Modern politics in a nutshell.
Your policy doesn't matter until you can get on the ballot - - - - - -
They are not telling us about his "problematic" positions that will limit his appeal to voters.
Which means he is a full on leftist.
I definitely don't think it's a great look. I wish they had focused on his policy positions and not on his sexuality. However, when I took the initiative and went to look up his actual positions I found nothing to disagree with. My largest concern is that he has no political experience whatsoever. He's a one of these dime-a-dozen political activists and professional agitators. That certainly doesn't bode well, but Obama grabbed a senate seat on less and Trump had nothing at all so if those two clowns can make their way into the oval office I suppose it's not impossible that Oliver does so.
When looking at his previous activism I can kind of put together why his homosexuality is put at the forefront here. He's been an activist for arming gays under the theory that gays with guns are harder to push around. So, rights for homosexuals would probably be at the forefront of any policy he pushed, but I think he'd be rock solid on gun rights too.
Oliver doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell... but this is a year hell could conceivably freeze over, so I'm down with this.
So the guy who raised enough votes to throw the Kleptocracy's blackface impersonators into a second dogfight has no political experience? Oliver beat the crap game out of both machine-puppet grabs for a senate seat in George Wallace's Georgia! He spent a dime a vote and bridged the gap while they spent 200x (two hundred TIMES) as much sucker cash for each bought vote. Izzat the best you losers can do? https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2022/11/12/libertarian-dollars-matter/
does he have a job or just a soros subsidized kind of person?
His policy positions are largely a mockery of libertarian ideals more aligning with leftist activists. The only deltas between him and Kamala are no funding of Ukraine and no student loan forgiveness (but heavily subsidized loans). Everything else aligns with Kamala. Lol.
And of course you're down with it. Nobody questioned your political leanings aligning towards standard dem boiler plate.
In his platform, he recommends forgiving student loan interest using funds saved by closing down overseas military bases. It's not by-the-book libertarianism, perhaps, but it's pretty damn clever.
No it isnt. It is just shifting an already bloated budget to his pet project. Standard political. Lol.
There should be zero federal involvement in school loans. Zero.
If the university is pushing out useful degrees they can fund the loans themselves.
But youre the type of 1st impression libertarian who doesn’t think things through so thinks Chase is a good candidate. Lol.
Thousands of corporations will fund a useful degree foe their employees, ot at least subsidize it. There is zero need for federal monies.
Yes, he also advocates ending federal involvement in student loans. Again, if you actually read and understood things, you'd understand that.
We understand everything just fine. Thats why Jesse correctly points out that this guy is essentially a prog Obama sycophant clown. Which he is.
His policy positions are largely a mockery of libertarian ideals more aligning with leftist activists.
n00bdragon *said* he found nothing to disagree with!
"...Trump had nothing at all..."
TDS-addled shit piles love them a lie, don't they?
Reason commentators in the alternate universe where Chase Oliver's sexuality wasn't mentioned:
"They're trying to hide that he's gheeeeyyyyy!!!!!"
Cite?
Okay, that's funny. I'll give you that.
Reason commentators in the alternate universe where Chase Oliver’s sexuality wasn’t mentioned:
This Universe is great! We backed Trump and got Ulbricht, Assange, *and* Snowden pardoned! Trump delivered a disgraceful, quizzical inauguration speech about shithole countries and how people would be better off lifting their home countries out of poverty rather than enshittifying this one... and it worked! The guy even ended the war in Ukraine, stabilizing relations with Russia and brought Israel and Saudi Arabia around the same table, leaving China and Iran hanging in the fucking breeze. Then, in a surprise double-whammy decision by SCOTUS, the DREAM ACT *and* 'penaltaxation' got reversed!
Chase who? You mean that nerdy British guy who got fired from that late night show? He always did seem kinda fruity. Good riddance.
I hope that Mr. Chase's campaign will bring him to Madison. I attended Jo Jorgensen rally in 2020 and would be happy to hear Oliver's pitch. I am a fan of political rallies and usually try to attend local ones. I would attend a Trump rally if he had one in Madison. I still would not vote for the incompetent old fart, but I'd listen to him. To be fair, I have heard Bernie Sanders speak and I also would never vote for him either.
Well, you could have voted for Gary Johnson, who said he agrees with 73% of everything Bernie Sanders says.
Bernie Sanders would be a big improvement over Biden/Harris.
Sad but true.
I doubt that. But in any event, I have no desire to see that proven or disproven.
Bernie Sanders is like Trump, two old white men who make promises they can't really keep.
Yes, race is the most important factor...
Well, if you think about it 98% of the Presidents have been white and the single black President was 50% white. In addition, 100% of the Presidents have been men. So, race does seem to be an important factor.
Trump kept some of his promises. He would have kept many other, if not for leftists, such as yourself.
But that’s what leftists like you do. Every dirty, vile thing you can to stop anything good for America. Then you turn around and blame the only people that tried to do anything good.
https://x.com/ChaseForLiberty/status/1472445839297728516?t=XiklSWl66C34KdhWqIDE1w&s=19
This seems like a good time to remind folks that same sex pairings and sexual intercourse has been noted in hundreds of animal species
Also worth nothing that every study conducted of LGBTQ parents show that kids aren't made worse off by having gay parents.
So spare me
Almost every child with two “parents” has been deliberately deprived of a parental relationship with the excluded parent. That in itself is a serious harm, regardless of what your “studies” show.
I'm not sure the bar can get much lower when people are being compared to animals. Animals also eat their own offspring.
Just saying.
Animals also eat their own
offspringclumps of cells..I do believe birds are the only ones capable of eating their own pregnancy. Course using 'pregnancy' in that instance is just as deceptive as pretending human pregnancy is a person. Something about counting chickens before they hatch.
In some animal species, the males kill off any other males who challenge them, breed with every female they can hold onto. If a challenger should win, the challenging male often kills all the cubs/pups/kits sire by the former male.
In some animal species, we see cannibalism. We also see siblings breeding with each other, and parents breeding with their offspring.
You could be describing Afghanistan.
True. Is that what we're after here?
Not unless we’re democrats.
This seems like a good time to remind folks that same sex pairings and sexual intercourse has been noted in hundreds of animal species
Imagine your life being so sad that you have to comb through the animal kingdom searching for unusual sexual behavior to compile notes on it to make some sort of statement.
This seems like a good time to remind everyone that headlessness and multi-headedness has been noted in hundreds of animal species.
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1794992462403957031?t=15q1r_HGNafa9e8Prke41Q&s=19
Libertarian nominee Chase Oliver:
99% of drag queen story hours are fine for kids. If he had children, he says he'd bring them to one and leave them there.
"It's just like the Wiggles"
[Video]
funny how the drag folks are not going to nursing homes but to kids....why?
The Anschluss failed, yet bootlicking Trumpanzees are wailing and wallbanging with tears streaming down their wrinkles. Whut gives? Mises nazis with their own Quisling running could only have pulled superstitious redneck votes away from Donnie, the way Wallace and BombsAway pulled 46 electoral votes from Tricky Dick Nignew. Ah, but the whole ploy was to again gull the LP into endorsing another superstitious girl-bullying Republican! Hah! Smear me once, shame on yew. Suicide me twice, shame on ME!
Speaking of suicide...
No, your Anschluss didn't fail, Biden is still in office (and he probably won't be giving it up anytime soon), and your Branch Covidian choice is on the LP ticket.
This is truly a great day. Heck, with another 4 million votes we can get BOTH halves of the looter kleptocracy erasing girl-bullier planks and repealing noisome laws. Even the Prohibition Party--the one that since 1976 screeched for a Konstatuuchunull Amindment to enslave women and overturn our Roe victory--has removed that demand from its platform! Republicans should read what their intellectual guides say in that 2024 platform: ballot access, women voters, and, of course, rob and shoot people over beer, cigarettes, acid and weed (so China can sell more opiates).
Who left Hank’s cell unlocked?
The nurse thought he looked too feeble to run.
All he needs now is a woman VP with purple hair. What ever happened to that guy who stripped on stage? He would fit right in.
Like Afghanistan, the LP is where the irrelevant go home to DEI.
All he needs now is a woman VP with purple hair.
Well, he's got lame and gay down. So it probably does make sense to put a chick in it.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W1hf9Hukxkc
A convicted pedo transvestite would be perfect for the LP VP with this bunch
Shrike is over 35, right?
Reason is once again campaigning to elect the most corrupt, incompetent and economically disastrous president in US history (i.e. Biden).
As a pragmatic libertarian, I’ll be voting yet again for the most libertarian president since Calvin Coolidge (i.e. Donald Trump).
America needs Trump to
– resolve Putin’s war against Ukraine,
– protect Israel and America instead of Iran and Hamas terrorists,
- halt Biden's disastrous open borders and begin deportations,
– reduce Biden’s sky high inflation and mortgage interest rates,
– end Biden’s absurd assault on carbon and energy in the US,
– end Biden’s illegal college loan deferments (to US taxpayers),
– end the left’s (and Biden’s) BLM, ESG, DEI and tranny policies,
– dismantle the unlibertarian and unconstitutional Deep State,
– end Biden’s unconstitutional electioneering lawfare attacks on GOP political rivals, and
– make America Great Again.
The only two issues on which Biden is more libertarian than Trump is protecting women’s right to abortion (which is now a state issue since Trump wisely opposes a nationwide ban on abortion and contraception) and his new support (after decades of his War on Illegal Drugs) for removing cannabis as a Class 1 drug.
While the Libertarian Party candidate might become a spoiler that helps Biden (and/or the clueless Harris) become the next President, Jill Stein, Cornell West and RFK Jr. are more likely to be spoiler candidates that help Trump win in November.
But the most likely outcome of the November election is that Trump will win in such a huge landslide that it will overwhelm all the Democrat and left wing media propagandists efforts to rig and steal another election.
+100000000 Well Said.
I agree.
Trump was the most Libertarian POTUS since Calvin Coolidge.
That's why he's always demonized by leftists and closet fascists.
I'd feel better about it if Trump hadn't jacked spending up to 6 trillion a year.
He is the one who put Covid into the baseline budget? Could have sworn it was McCarthy and Schumer.
I can give you Trump publicly saying hebwouldnt spend more money on covid bills passed the year after Joe won.
Those with TDS are not comfortable with facts.
I'd take Trump over Biden any day. But don't pretend he's libertarian on spending. All it takes is a veto.
Which makes no difference when faced with a veto proof majority. Which he was did in the case of the COVID spending. His veto would have been overridden and the democrat media would roast him alive for even trying.
The underlying problem is the democrats, and their RINO collaborators. Get rid of them, and I don’t just mean from Congress.
"...His veto would have been overridden and the democrat media would roast him alive for even trying...."
Trump, the grandma KILLER!
I'd feel a lot better if had refused to sign the Cares Act or fought it like Thomas Massie [R]. But since Thomas Massie isn't running for president the other option is the party that PITCHED, PUSHED, WROTE and UNANIMOUSLY (actually cheated the vote) on the Cares Act.
Then turned around in under a year and did a double-dip. It's amazing how there's so much attention on the CARES ACT and TARP (both pitched by [D] only signed by [R]) while ARPA and ARP which were just double-dips at same amounts (actually ARPA was bigger by far) are entirely ignored.
Excuse me; Obama ARRA, & Bidens ARPA.
But all 4 were pitched, passed, pushed by [D]'s.
The deflection is ... but, but, but [R]'s didn't STOP them.
Yeah, it’s not the Democrat’s fault when they fuck things up. But they blame the republicans for not stopping them. The democrat party has absolutely zero accountability.
Just listen to Biden ramble about how his inflation is everyone else’s fault.
That's a good start.
Yawn.
Where's the janitor? There's a mess on aisle #6.
So, and I hesitate to ask, what are his qualifications?
He's a woke fag that calls himself libertarian.
That's all Reason needs.
So, what's is the LP's candidate's solution for solving the debt, bring peace to the Middle East, ending inflation, starting common sense civil asset forfeiture laws, gun control, etc.
It takes more than being gay to be a legitimate POTUS candidate in any party.
Solving the debt: He is running against two candidates who have a proven record as sitting POTUS of running up trillions in debt. Just not being them means he wins by a mile.
Bringing peace to the Middle East: Not our job so I don't care. What we should do, and what Oliver explicitly advocates, is bringing back troops and stopping aid to both Israel and Ukraine.
Civil Asset Forfeiture: Oliver explicitly said we should end it. Trump and Biden each had four years and did zero, after being fully informed on the issue by numerous advocacy groups even within their own parties.
Gun Control: Oliver wears a gun in campaign photos, and says he'll go after the bump stock ban. Trump supported and personally fought FOR the bump stock ban. Biden would ban most guns if he could.
Thanks for pointing out four issues where Trump and Biden are stridently, massively, obscenely anti-libertarian.
You mostly support the chem castration, continued subsidizing of higher education, and increased spending on welfare by legalizing and granting citizenship to anyone who crosses the border.
Be honest DemSalad. That's all you actually care about.
You dont give a shit about anything else you claimed there. You don't know the legislature has to end moat of those things because youre functionally retarded on civics matters. Lol.
But please tell us how expanding the welfare state will lower the debt. I'll wait.
"Continued subsidizing of higher education"? He says he wants to abolish the Department of Education and end federal student loans, while forgiving the interest on current ones using savings from closing overseas military bases. How is that continuing to subsidize higher education?
With JesseAz, the answer to every question is immigration,
He doesn't make false claims, he's just got false beliefs.
-He falsely believes that most of the debt is due to immigrants, when actually they are a small portion and might even be a wash.
-He falsely believes that most of the welfare state is due to immigrants, when it's mostly goes to retired people followed by local born poor.
-He falsely believes that the culture that demands huge government and accepts high taxes was imported with Mexican immigrants who worshipped Che Guevara. In fact that culture was 100% homegrown by Americans who worshipped FDR and/or were inspired by white European Marxists.
- He falsely believes that the higher education bubble is driven by illegal immigrants getting federal student loans. In fact, they aren't eligible, and the loan forgiveness is mostly going to US citizen kids who dropped out of a US citizen vagina.
You’re pulling that bulkshit where you open border nuts conflate immigrants with illegals. Stop. You don’t get to pull that shit here. So stop lying and deal in real facts, or prepare to get torn apart.
"Solving the debt" -- Because of course being Not-Trump means every campaign goal is guaranteed to actually happen. Right, Right? /s
BTW. US Debt when Trump started as president $20,245B. US Debt (after 3-years) before the [D] Cares Act $22,719B. Debt today $33,167B ... That's right if you but put the [D] written Cares Act on Demorats where it rightfully belongs that's increase difference of $2,500B versus $10,000B. The [D]-trifecta spent !!!-4-TIMES-!!! as much as Trumps Administration did.
Oliver – campaign goal to reduce debt, probably unrealistic.
Trump – proven failure who knowingly and intentionally raised debt, even his supporters are forced to concede it went up while still pretending they want debt reduction.
Biden – proven failure who knowingly and gleefully raised debt, his supporters don’t care, believing some other people will be forced to pay it off.
ducksalad - TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
Tell us you’re an idiot without telling us you’re an idiot.
Have to say this weekend turned out very well.
An actual libertarian nominee who will run AGAINST the Republicans and Democrats.
LINOs and MAGAs wailing like little babies. And if we beat the spread in November, regardless of whether Trump or Biden wins, we'll get to enjoy at least one major party wailing even harder that we stole their votes. Yes we will, whatcha gonna do about it?
CNN headlining that Trump was booed and humiliated at the convention. And now that they think it hurts Trump, they're suddenly posting articles about Oliver. That'll end in a few weeks when they realize Oliver is taking gay votes off of Biden, but then Fox will take over. Win Win.
I still believe McArdle, or at least the fifth column she was enabling, was trying to engineer a NOTA. It backfired.
Why would MAGAs be whining? By picking the woke mandatory masker, you guys just handed three quarters of the potential libertarian vote to RFK Jr. and Trump.
And by picking a wokester you're now siphoning off Biden votes.
Genius.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense.
But they think LP members "should" vote for Trump so they count it as a lost vote. And on top of that, their hero was booed and they can’t handle that psychologically. Nardz even dropped out of the woodwork, he’s so hurt.
Probably more grossed out than hurt, and the LP members couldn't vote for Trump at the conference. Even Trump said so.
But handing the nomination to Wokie McTopMen guarantees that all the Big-L libertarians who aren't, will be voting for someone else.
Nothing you say is actually true but is actually the CNN/MSNBC narratives lol.
Yeah, you do t make much sense.
Yeah it's almost like this Chase dude is a stealth candidate installed by the MC to siphon off Biden and RFK votes and hand the election to Trump. He checks off all the lefty boxes.
Nobody is shocked the dem in libertarian clothing supports the social activist who wants:
Amnesty for 20 million illegals growing the welfare budget.
Wants to continue and expand federal funding of school loans.
Wants to make LGBTQ a protected class at the federal level.
Wants to trans kids including chemical castration.
Supports forced masking from companies as well as employment threat for vaccinations.
Lol.
Again, from his campaign site at https://www.votechaseoliver.com/platform , which is clearly beyond your reading level:
"I also support getting the government out of the student loan business so market forces can lower the cost of higher education over time."
He might, might be able to get congress to pass a bill eliminating interest on student loans. Of course that doesn’t “end the Federal backing of student loans”. The government not even making interest on those guaranteed loans means it’s literally increasing the funding.
And there’s about a snowballs chance in south Florida that he gets them to agree to “ending all future government-guaranteed loans” or “requiring the Department of Defense to cut costs by closing overseas bases and installations and bringing our troops home”, so it won’t even be revenue neutral.
You’d have about as good a chance of getting Congress to agree to making the colleges pay for it out of their land grants and endowments.
Edit: meant as a reply to Bill.
A no name political activist whose biggest qualification for political office was being the other "Not Herschel Walker" candidate in the GA Senate Race. What an accomplishment, a candidate we call be excited about.........sigh.
Since 2012 the "pragmatic/socially liberal" faction of the Libertarian Party has won the nomination and failed to win even 5% of the popular vote every time. Even with two Governors on the ticket and the most hated candidates in modern American History in 2016 they still failed to get to 5%. Chase Oliver, like Jo Jorgensen before him, will probably fail to even reach the number Johnson/Weld got in 2016. Trump was being uncharacteristically kind when he mentioned Libertarians winning 3% of the popular vote again.
Crowing about another failure of a national campaign/strategy by the Libertarians is silly and pointless. Who cares about playing "spoiler" when the country is just gonna keep going down the path to default?
I'm not going to bash Oliver for being gay. But, honestly, his platform is pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a guy whose description is "a 38-year-old gay man from Atlanta with socially tolerant and pro-immigration views". Pro-chemical castration. Open borders. Pro-government funding for Planned Parenthood. Pro-Public Health Technocracy. Pro-Climate Change Regulation. Pro-Hamas. And that's what he's willing to admit as a putative Libertarian.
That said, Donald Trump should probably send a Thank You letter to the LP. If they'd engineered a candidate to siphon off votes from Joe Biden, rather than Donald Trump, I don't think they'd come up with a better option than this guy.
Just don't let DemSalad know. He thinks Oliver is a one true libertarian.
And they couldn't have come up with a better way to commit political suicide.
yep...Trump hit it out again....the LP is now fractured..the true believers will take Biden votes...the rational Ron Paul non-degenerates will go to Trump..Trump Train is gaining speed wokes...ha ha ha
The guy is a lightweight that would fold to the democrats and RINOs than Superman on laundry day. The last several years of what they’ve tried to do to Trump shows that we need a tough as nails bastard in the White House who can deal with those scumbags.
If that doesn’t work, elections and the courts will have failed us. More will be required.
He's a deeply principled libertarian who is...for grooming kids at drag shows and transing kids with drugs. Oh, he was all in on the COVID restrictions and hosted a fundraiser for Obama. He supports completely open borders and will get a well deserved 1%.
So basically the “Libertarian” party went with the Vermont Democratic Socialist movement — which is basically totalitarian China except maybe you get to have a hunting rifle, and then they’ll walk that back as soon as they’ve cemented their power.
Does the LP actually WANT me to vote for the orange turd-bucket? Because he’s now the least awful thing on the ballot. Hell, even RFK Jr at least has medical freedom going for him, unlike mask-fascist Chase or Dementia Puppet Xiden.
I voted LP for president in 2000, 2004, 2012, and 2016. I could not support the LP presidential candidates in ’08 or ’20, and apparently I cannot do it now in ’24, either. Whole official party looks like either a bad joke or something captured by the intelligence agencies. Maybe both.
Vote Trump and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Pedos should be nuked from orbit not allowed in the LP
Nuking pedos seems like a perfectly good waste of a nuke, especially when you have so many woodchippers out there.
glibertarians are mean-spirited fucking idiots, and their shitshow of a convention reflects this. absolute fucking garbage ideology for evil retards
lol
The Libertarian Party could not have come up with a better way to commit suicide than this. One would almost believe this is deliberate. Who knows? Maybe it is. Maybe the L.P. is so fractured and in such disarray they can no longer hold it together.
The problem I see is that the L.P. has not the sense to become more aggressive. They are wayyyy too polite and laid back. This doesn't work any more.
Ron Paul and others have some excellent ideas but they are barking into the wind. The message is not getting through. Now they come up with this clown. What the hell are they thinking?
I just may sit this one out and like George Carlin, just stay home.
Besides, if you vote, you have no right to complain.
I vote, and I still complain. The candidates I vote for rarely win.
Trump couldn't have planned this better. Reason crowd happy as they define libertarianism as "abortion till birth as the law of the land, Open boarders, and sexually mutilating kids who are confused by the pedos/groomers" yes you could not plan this better.
To be honest the LP has a problem..a problem of allowing degenerates into the party..liberty with no morality. Which is just degenercy. Even the USSR had the death penalty for pedos. But the LP seems to attract degenerates. A nominee who forgets about the 10th amendment (abortion is a States concern not a Federal), doesn't believe in borders, "take the shot/bake the cake", and the "kids should be chemicially sexually mutilated and not be allowed to reach puberty because..."
As for Dave Smith and gang, you are great podcasters and defenders of liberty but the LP is a lost cause. Jump on the Trump Train.....or hang with degenerates..
The problem is having a party in the first place. Libertarians are not partisans. There is no platform or rigid ideology. We will never win any significant partisan election or anything requiring some factional organizing. Trying to participate in the system we have is a non starter. Libertarianism works only at small levels because it is anti big.
I actually think this might be a decent result for Trump if a not great result for the LP. He was the least likely of the candidates to take votes away from Trump and it's possible/probable that many of the Mises Caucus folks will just vote Trump instead of voting for the LP.
In any event, the assumption during the takeover by the MC was that Dave Smith would run, and he would have nabbed the nomination pretty easily I think. He understandably decided not to run and so that left the door open for this outcome.
I don't understand how the LP became so balkanized into right and left wings where the preferred policies of each wing seem somewhat indistinguishable from those of major party candidates, but it clearly has happened.
Kudos to the thumbnail creator for making the motto over Oliver read "Tread On Me".
At the bottom of the Gay Snake flag.
Hey, some people are into that sort of thing. Don't judge.
Chase won with less than 479 votes in (what I assume) was rank choice primary participated by less than a thousand voters. Marianne Williamson got 5,000 votes in NH.
He's irrelevant even if he's "pro Trump" and does nothing to improve the LP's public perception as a cabal of kooks. They handed out Kazoos to drown out Trump. There was a half naked man among attendance. The LP is a joke and is not worthy of being a "political party" that represents libertarianism.
Chase Oliver's ascendance (snickers) is a perfect argument AGAINST RCP. He's a total nobody who won because he sucked up just enough second place votes from the fringe who voted for another nobody. In a presidential election, Biden would make a play for not only the libertarians but also commies, antisemites, and all manner of radicals.
You don't give the fringe who vote for bad ideas another bite at the apple. It doesn't make sense. No libertarian agenda aside from social issues would make it, since the left will pick up enough secondary votes to override the right. School choice - "Yes, no, none of the above, yes only with affirmative action" Get the picture?
Chase Oliver’s ascendance (snickers) is a perfect argument AGAINST RCP. He’s a total nobody who won because he sucked up just enough second place votes from the fringe who voted for another nobody. In a presidential election, Biden would make a play for not only the libertarians but also commies, antisemites, and all manner of radicals.
+1
You don’t give the fringe who vote for bad ideas another bite at the apple. It doesn’t make sense.
This is beside the point and/or underselling the issue. You don’t give the fringe who generally vote for unpopular ideas 6 bites at the apple while giving people who believe more strongly in conventional and/or mainstream ideas (or NOTA) just 1 or 2.
Somebody who voted for:
1. Jake Hornberger
2. Anybody else
Got just those two votes no matter how many names they actually listed. Everything after their second choice didn’t even get counted. Meanwhile, everyone who voted for anyone other than Hornberger in the 1 position got at least 3 votes and all their preferred candidates got more.
Because, as has been pointed out before, RCV-IRV is not a 1 man, 1 vote system, nor does it choose the most popular, nor moderate candidates.
The Libertarian party is no longer relevant. Had a good run with Gary Johnson until he picked Weld. Now nothing but a peanut gallery looking for attention with zero political influence.
Johnson also acquiesced to LGBTQ+ totalitarianism.
The Libertarian party has come a long way since its first presidential candidate was John Hospers. The route from Hospers to Oliver shows an intellectual deterioration that parallels the drift of America to totalitarianism. The rejection of reason leads to an "anything goes" epistemology which in turn, leads to an "anything goes" politics. When that anything becomes tyrannical, it's hard to pull a U-turn.
This is the opposite of a Libertarian Moment. I read where if no one could get 50%, they were not going to run a candidate. That would have been preferable. He will be under 1%.
My problem with Oliver is that he believes in identity politics and his self identity is "gay". "Gay" isn't the problem. The problem is that when someone sees themself as possessing a collective identity, irrespective of what that collective is, they will always be attracted to collective solutions to problems. Oliver was an Obama Democrat. Obama was the most racist candidate since Woodrow Wilson and firmly in the collective identity area of politics.
A collective identity doesn't dissolve in a matter of a few years. It pervades every aspect of your life. It is embedded in your being, distorting perceptions and leading to ridiculous, mystical ideas like gender being distinct from biology. A man who thinks he's an alien from the Andromeda galaxy is mentally ill, but a man who thinks he's a woman is just an outlier in the range of normal human diversity.
Identity politics is the essence of anti-individualism. Individualists should never let any identitarian speak for them on any subject. They will corrupt the individualistic base of human liberty and damage whatever elements of individualism that still remain.
Georgia was nothing to be proud of. We ended up with a Marxist.
Had Oliver not been in the race, Georgia would have chosen Warnock anyway. He had more votes than Walker did in the first election.
The problem was Trump. Instead of going from district to district talking up Walker, Trump preferred complaining about "election fraud". After seeing how effective Trump was in New Jersey, the Bronx and Harlem, he could have easily swayed Georgia to put both Republicans back in the Senate, killing any chance for Biden's Green New Deal.
Trump now seems to understand that nobody wants a whiner and that the way he engaged New Yorkers is the way to win an election. Issues, presented clearly, confidently and with humor, goes a lot farther than "I was cheated". Ask Hillary about this.
Likely to flame out spectacularly. I watched the interview with him, and a candidate that thinks Joe Biden isn't letting enough people into the country will turn off right wing voters, and similarly his view that abortions after the point of viability (around 15 weeks with current medical technology) is murder will turn off left wing voters. Definitely going to fall between two stools.
flame out? two stools? masterful! next time mention his performance on poles and the way he might backdoor into influence.
Trump is actually underselling the significance here.
Good to know I can teach my kids all the libertarian ideology and history, skipping over the Libertarian Party, and virtually nothing will be missed save maybe a cautionary tale about how classical liberals accepting modern liberals accepting progressive liberals (or progressive liberals identifying as modern liberals and modern liberals identifying as classical liberals…) will co-opt the party and distort the ideas, beclowning everyone involved.
I'll have to teach them about The Tea Party because they Tea Party actually got some people elected.
The Tea Party did actually get some people elected, but where are they now? Amash was driven from the party. Many others were primaried by the McConnell gang when they ran on the Tea Party principles, small government, low taxes and low spending.
Jason Chaffetz said "Structure and formality are the exact opposite of what the Tea Party is, and if there is an attempt to put structure and formality around it, or to co-opt it by Washington, D.C., it’s going to take away from the free-flowing nature of the true tea party movement."
The Tea Party caucuses did exactly what Chaffetz feared, admitted anyone who said "Low Taxes", was co-opted and destroyed by the "real" Republicans, you know, the big spending, big borrowing ones who talk about privacy and make the Patriot Act even more intrusive.
excellent points and spot on! you too mad casual. i've preached our dogma since 1986...they lost me with this BS
The Tea Party did actually get some people elected, but where are they now?
Right. The Tea Party was more transient, more successful, and effectively suffered the same fate.
At this point the LP is "The (OG) Independent State of Croatia was an Axis power too!" You aren't really going to broadly misread any part of history without that fact.
I think Chase Oliver will be an excellent candidate for the Libertarian Party and our message of freedom and respect for each individual. He's the youngest LP presidential candidate ever at age 39, the first ex-Democrat as far as I know, and the first openly gay candidate of one of the top parties in the country (Pete Buttigieg failed to get the Democrats nomination). Perhaps more important, I think he has the passion, energy, and clear, compassionate libertarian message to connect with many people who haven't usually or ever supported our candidates in the past.
you are delusional. we have courted the gays since day one. they give a resounding ho hum even though the Libertarians are the ONLY ones that have had their back squarely. clinton and obama flip flopped as did biden. the nominee is a diversity hire
Who?
the gadsden on a rainbow? fucking retards! our party is now woke and pandering. we've been gay friendly since our founding and have exactly ZERO traction on that community. i can't be a part opf the suicide. i'm out
All the MAGA sad sacks complaining that a libertarian won the Libertarian Party nomination.
Oliver is no libertarian, unless your standard of comparison is Stalin. I've been dubious about many of their previous candidates, but with this nomination they've clearly become yet another institution subverted by the collectivists.
The libertarian party has officially entered the dustbin of history.
Entered? They were born in it. They never left. They are the Oscar the Grouch of American politics.
They couldn't vote FOR Donald Trump. He wasn't on the ballot.
So libertarians did the next best thing.
They used Chase Oliver against himself.
Oliver was a DELIBERATE spoiler in 2022. He wanted to make sure that the Libertarian sliver would ensure Democrat victory.
And now he's going to do it again.
He's the perfect antifa, BLM, LGBTQIA+... candidate.
And he will hoover up leftist votes.
Votes that might've gone to Biden. Or RFK.
Chase gets to be a spoilerchaser again.
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Didn't this guy support lockdowns?