Backpage: A Blueprint for Squelching Speech
How the Backpage prosecution helped create a playbook for suppressing online speech, debanking disfavored groups, and using "conspiracy" charges to imprison the government's targets

U.S. District Judge Diane Humetewa acquitted three former Backpage executives of myriad counts against them last week—more evidence of how empty so much of the federal case against them is. Humetewa ruled that there was insufficient evidence to uphold 50 of the counts* against journalist and Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey, 10 of the counts against former Executive Vice President Scott Spear, and 18 of the counts against former Chief Financial Officer Jed Brunst.
From the beginning, this prosecution has been premised on a bogus rationale (authorities yammer on about sex trafficking though none of the defendants are charged with sex trafficking), overreaching in its scope (attempting to hold a web platform accountable for user-generated speech, in contradiction to Section 230), offensive to the First Amendment, and relentless in its attempts to handicap the defense. So it's a treat to see a judge slap prosecutors down a notch, even if it comes very late in the game (after two trials and after one defendant taking his own life) and even though it may not make much of a practical difference for Lacey, Brunst, and Spear (who face imprisonment for the rest of their lives even with the acquittals).
But to read Humetewa's recent order is to get infuriated about the underlying case all over again. Presenting the evidence in the light most favorable to the government's position, Humetewa manages (inadvertently?) to highlight how insane and unfair this position is.
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A Mandate To Mind-Read
Humetewa's order showcases how this case has turned normal content moderation into criminal activity—in what should serve as a warning to tech companies of all sorts. The government's demands are simply impossible.
In this case, Backpage banned explicit offers of sex for money (which is illegal in most of the U.S.) but allowed adults ads more generally, since plenty of forms of sex work are legal. Providing a platform for protected speech should itself be protected, of course. But in a truly Orwellian fashion, the government argues that the very act of forbidding explicit prostitution ads was a way of encouraging prostitution ads, thereby facilitating prostitution in violation of the federal Travel Act.
The alleged "conspiracy" here is that defendants agreed "to work together toward the goal of making money by helping prostitution posters make their ads look less obviously like prostitution ads," as Humetawa puts it. To this end, they allegedly banned not only direct offers of sex for money but certain "code words" that politicians and activists construed to connote prostitution offers.
Under this rubric, websites can't win. If they allow content advertising explicitly illegal things, they'll be in trouble. But if they ban said content, they could still be in trouble. (In this same vein, Humetewa calls the fact that Backpage responded to law enforcement subpoenas a "facade" that actually furthered its aim of facilitating prostitution. Helping the government solve criminal cases is actually being used against the site.)
For a time, Backpage would scrub ads of explicit terms and still allow them to post. Later they would prohibit such ads entirely. Some people point to the former as if it's some sort of smoking gun. But to me, it merely represents the same sort of trial-and-error process that any platform fueled by user-generated content went through in the 2000s and 2010s. Maybe some Backpage executives or moderators weren't perfect at every step of the process, but content moderation at scale is a huge, messy, and astronomically hard task. We cannot have a process where short-term moderation mishaps are treated as criminal matters if we are to have an internet with anything resembling free speech.
Besides, the removal of "code words" does not in itself mean that moderators "knew" the ads were for illegal activity. Many of these code words were added to Backpage moderation lists under intense pressure from attorneys general, activists, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and these groups' approximations of what constituted illegal activity (as opposed to just referencing legal sex work, or non-commercial hookups, or just slang generally) may not have had any relation to reality. Backpage played along to appease these groups, but that doesn't mean staff necessarily bought into the idea that the words in question could actually determine whether something was or wasn't an ad for illegal activity.
Some particularly silly examples: The authorities insisted that "young" and "new in town" were indicative of child sex trafficking, when these are normal ways that adult sex workers may market themselves.
Content moderators are not mind-readers. They can't intuit what's really on a poster's mind or what's really going to happen when people connected by online content meet in person. But that's essentially what the government is saying they have to do here.
Because We Said So, That's Why
One of the online speech cases facing the U.S. Supreme Court this year concerns the Biden administration's contact with social media companies about certain content, which conservatives allege amounted to pressure to suppress this speech. Libertarians call this "jawboning"—trying to get around the First Amendment requirement against government censorship by exerting informal pressure on platforms to suppress speech that the government doesn't like.
Jawboning is at the heart of the Backpage case, where failing to succumb to it has been elevated to a criminal matter.
There's "evidence that each of these Defendants were on notice by law enforcement, State Attorneys General, non-profits, and the media that a portion of Backpage's escort ads were in fact leading to prostitution offenses," writes Humetewa.
So because law enforcement told Backpage executives that some portion of their ads connected people who met up and engaged in illegal conduct, the platform was supposed to…what? Shut it all down? Ban ads for modeling, dating, or anything else that might be a front for commercial sex? Strip tons of people charged with no crimes of their speech just because some small portion of the site's users were found to have committed crimes?
"As early as 2010, Mr. Lacey was notified by a group of State Attorneys General that 'blatant prostitution ads are rampant' on Backpage and they requested that Backpage take down the 'adult services portion of Backpage,' the judge writes. She also notes that "News outlets, including the New York Times, also ran stories on Backpage's Adult section."
Again: So what? Under this logic, when the Biden administration told sites they were being used to spread election or coronavirus misinformation, that would be grounds for banning all talk of the election or COVID. Or the Times running an article about Facebook users meeting up to buy drugs would be grounds to prosecute Meta executives.
These ludicrous expectations give the government immense power to shut down any sort of speech that authorities want to shutter. This time it's about sex work and Backpage, but this playbook works well for all sorts of platforms.
Backed Into a 'Money Laundering' Corner
When people hear "money laundering," they tend to think of people hiding money so as not to have to pay taxes on it, or doing illegal things and then trying to pass the proceeds off as being from a legitimate business (as when a crappy restaurant is used to legitimize mob profits). This is very much not the ways this case's money laundering charges came about.
In this case, the government cut off banking options for a business charged with no crimes and then objected when that business tried to find some way to process money.
In Lacey's case, federal agents warned banks that doing business with him might be a "reputational risk" (Nice bank you got there, you wouldn't want us to have to investigate you, would you?). When banks starting refusing his money, he opened an account in Hungary. The feds know about this because his lawyer submitted all the requisite paperwork letting them know about this. Then they charged Lacey with international money laundering.
In various ways, authorities also put pressure on financial institutions to drop Backpage as a business (with one Illinois sheriff going so far as to threaten credit card companies who did not—a move that a federal court later ruled unconstitutional). Unsurprisingly, some banks and credit card companies ceased wanting to accept Backpage deposits or otherwise associate with the company. So Backpage launched subsidiary companies under different names to handle payments and payroll, used charge descriptors that didn't mention Backpage, and things like that.
The company wasn't trying to hide the money it made. It was just trying to operate within the confines of an impossible situation that the government had put it in. Without having to bother with due process, authorities attempted to cut off its ability to bank, and then authorities penalized it for taking steps to work around this.
Again, this is a situation that has ramifications far beyond Backpage. We've seen regulators pressure financial institutions against doing business with the NRA, gun and ammunition sellers, porn performers, and others. Attempts to get around this government coercion could land these entities in criminal court, too.
Conspiracy
I could go on and on, but I'll leave you with one last infuriating thing about this case: the use of "conspiracy" to lump all of the defendants together.
By pinning conspiracy charges on Lacey, for instance, prosecutors are trying to associate him with all the actions of former CEO Carl Ferrer (who plead guilty and turned state's evidence) and other executives who were in on the day-to-day decisions about Backpage promotion and moderation strategy, even though Lacey had little if anything to do with this. At the Phoenix New Times and other newspapers, Lacey was the editorial guy, not the business guy, and he did not become the business guy when Backpage launched. If Ferrer or others really did make decisions that crossed legal lines, the authorities should have gone after them for that, not Lacey. But conspiracy charges allow prosecutors to tie Lacey to actions way beyond the scope of his knowledge or involvement.
"With regard to Mr. Lacey, the Court finds there is an insufficiency of trial evidence supporting a direct theory of liability for any of the Travel Act charges brought against him. Specifically, the Government did not put forth sufficient evidence of Mr. Lacey's specific intent to facilitate the promotion of the posters or prostitution businesses comprising Counts 2 through 51, as that mens rea is defined by the Ninth Circuit," the judge writes. "There was no evidence that he was involved with developing or overseeing Backpage's moderation or aggregation practices for the ads in Counts 2–51."
But because of things like Lacey once (allegedly) saying "consenting adults can do what consenting adults want to do"—which the judge describes as support for legalized prostitution—and the fact that "Lacey's wealth depended on the success of Backpage's Adult section," Humetewa decided that there's sufficient evidence to sustain a conspiracy charge. And "though the Court finds that there was insufficient evidence" to sustain Travel Act charges, which require overt acts, she did not entirely acquit him of those counts, because "there was sufficient evidence…for a rational juror to find him guilty through the acts of one of his co-conspirators."
* In last week's initial order, Humetewa acquitted Lacey on 53 counts against him. In a revised order released on Friday, Humetewa changed this to acquit him on only 50 counts.
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But lawfare doesn’t happen!
/jeffsarc
Should coercion be a crime?
Lying is coercion by compelling people with the false authority of truth to act in the liars interests instead of their own.
Lying is not protected speech. If it were, perjury and fraud couldn’t be crimes, and swearing oaths to tell the truth would be unconstitutional.
Maybe the public is really aware and tired of being coerced with lies at every turn and are calling for reasonable laws to protect them from it.
Keep it simple. Criminalize lying.
This requires the codification in law of how truth is determined. Scientists and philosophers have figured it out already. We just need to demand the same from those who would rule us.
The push back comes from liars, perpetrators of coercion.
Criminalize lying? How would that work, being that government, the enforcer of laws, is the biggest liar of them all.
How would what work?
I’ve explained how to identify lies.
Criminalizing lying is how to stop people, including governments, from lying.
How to get people to recognize that doing so is necessary for civilization? I don’t have that answer yet.
Look at my posts here for the last decade. My statements have never been refuted. I’ve been shown to be right about abortion, the origin of COVID, the nature of Israel and Judaism and still there are many anonymous cowards posting replies that dismiss the truth of correctly applied logic and science.
While people say they recognize the damage caused by lying, they aren’t willing to sacrifice any corrupt benefits they get from lying to recognize that it must be criminalized.
How do you get stupid corrupt people to choose right over wrong?
Criminalizing lying is how to stop people, including governments, from lying.
Only problem with that is the governments don't follow the laws that they enforce.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Look at my posts here for the last decade. My statements have never been refuted.
It's easy to say you've never been refuted when you don't accept any criticism as legitimate.
The irony lol.
HA HA HA
Notice how you conflate criticism with refuting.
The two aren’t remotely synonymous.
There lies the problem. You may have criticized me but you’ve never proven me wrong aka refuted me,
I generally ignore you because I choose not to engage with haters.
As far as refuting what you said, who watches the watchmen?
Government does not obey the law. So if you criminalize lying, not only will government continue to lie, but it will decide truth based upon politics. In other words, it won't work. That's not criticizing you, that's refuting your statement.
Oh look, the grey boxes chimed in to no doubt accuse me of hypocrisy. Of course they don't understand the difference between refuting what a person says, and refuting the person (ad hominem). To them it's all the same.
"Criminalizing lying is how to stop people, including governments, from lying."
And who exactly prosecutes the government (especially the federal government) for lying?
No one. The prosecutors all work for the government.
To both of you.
When a government makes itself above the law, it must be overthrown and replaced with an accountable one.
Do you disagree?
If that’s what you believe the current state of government is, why are you sending them money instead of bullets?
"When a government makes itself above the law, it must be overthrown and replaced with an accountable one."
Good luck, we all know how well that worked out in China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
When a government makes itself above the law
Show me one government in the history of history that wasn’t above the law.
it must be overthrown and replaced with an accountable one.
Meet the new boss… Devil you know... Choose a metaphor.
Do you disagree?
Except for the part where you imply that governments run by men will hold themselves accountable to the law, the part where you imply that overthrowing and replacing a government is like going to the grocery store, and the part where you imply that the new government will hold the men within it accountable to the law, no.
If that’s what you believe the current state of government is, why are you sending them money instead of bullets?
Because organized violence (the source of government power) will always triumph over individuals.
Sounds like you pussies recognize and accept your velvet chains.
You’re simply corrupt.
I see many inspiring cases of government officials being held accountable for breaking the law.
Your argument is a fallacy.
Sounds like you pussies recognize and accept your velvet chains.
Ad hominem number one.
You’re simply corrupt.
Ad hominem number two.
I see many inspiring cases of government officials being held accountable for breaking the law.
Which only happens on the rare occasions where the media gets ahold of it and then government has no choice but to bow under public pressure. For each case where an official is held accountable there are hundreds if not thousands of cases where they are not.
The reason why corrupt cops facing consequences makes the news isn’t because corrupt cops are rare, but because them facing consequences is rare.
Your argument is a fallacy.
You’re a towel.
Now I'd like you to answer my question: name one government in the history of history that wasn't above the law?
You admitted that your argument is a fallacy.
Government can be and is held accountable for breaking the law.
The rest is irrelevant.
I’m pleased with the optics.
You admitted that your argument is a fallacy.
Um, no. That’s Jesse-level dishonesty. Don’t be a Jesse.
Government can be and is held accountable for breaking the law.
By who? “The department investigated itself an concluded that the officer didn’t do anything wrong.”
The rest is irrelevant.
I’m pleased with the optics.
Translation: (in a snooty tone) I’m going to wave my hand now.
I generally ignore you. You're reminding me why.
“I see many inspiring cases of government officials being held accountable for breaking the law.
Which only happens on the rare occasions “
You admitted that government officials are convicted of crimes proving that your argument that they aren’t, is a fallacy.
Hahaha
Government people, compared to the rest of us, are held to a different standard. We do what we want until one of them doesn’t like it. Then we’re fucked.
They do what they want until something they do every day happens to be done to someone who gets enough sympathy to get into local news, and then national news, and then people riot in the streets, before anyone sees a courtroom. Even then the usual outcome is nothing.
You telling me they aren’t above the law?
You think police who can't write an honest sentence in a report are going to enforce honesty laws?
“Now I’d like you to answer my question: name one government in the history of history that wasn’t above the law?”
If the government itself is the law or if law cannot exist without government, can the government be above itself?
Government will do what it will do. Historically, rarely have there been written or implied constitutions to which they would have to abide. But, when there are constitutions, written or implied, governments tended to be less tyrannical. Think U.S. A. Roman Republic. Freedom doesn’t necessarily last long. In history, there’s a lot more tyranny than freedom.
Every example of a government official being brought to justice demonstrates that they are not above the law.
Lying is perhaps their most important tool that enables anyone to get away with corruption.
When lying is criminalized the corrupt, including government, will either be brought to justice for lying or flaunt the fact that they are getting away with crime.
Then we the people will be forced to recognize that if we don’t demand and fight for equal treatment under the law, we are slaves to totalitarianism no matter how velvety our chains are.
I don’t know what is more retarded, your holocaust denial or this idiotic shit about criminalizing lying.
To identify lies you must both know the actual truth and know the state of mind of the person saying an untrue thing. Both of those things are practically impossible. And even if it was possible to clearly identify lies, what government in all of history has ever been both competent and honest enough to do so fairly and consistently?
Not only are you a nazi fuckhead, you are monumentally stupid. If a country tried to ban lying, the first thing they would go after is the kind of bullshit you spew. They already do in Germany and some other countries.
“To identify lies you must both know the actual truth and know the state of mind of the person saying an untrue thing”
If you’re going to try to pass yourself off as knowledgeable on a subject, you might want to familiarize yourself with its definition.
Lie: “an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer” Merriam Webster
Hahaha
“…coerced with lies…”
Only in very narrow circumstances like fraud, or sales of a product or eliciting action under false pretenses. Unless a lie leads pretty directly to an infringement of individual rights, no prosecution is morally warranted for lying alone. No one has a “right” to the truth except in circumstances similar to the above. In a free society, it is the responsibility of the reader and listener to judge and determine what is true vs. false.
Truth is reality. Reality is the actual state of things. Its recognition is as necessary for freedom, survival and evolution as is air, water and food.
Without the recognition of truth, reality people don’t have the agency to choose right over wrong or to make decisions in their interest for their future.
We recognize this need to criminalize lying in court and business with laws against perjury and fraud.
It is only logical that the protection against the coercion of lying is equally necessary in all aspects of life.
It may have seemed an impossibility to implement at the founding of the constitution but today’s digital recording technology makes the recording and proving of lies in daily life entirely possible, enabling the enforcement of its criminalization.
All corruption depends on lies. We will deal corruption a death blow with its criminalization.
Criminalizing Lying can and needs to be made law, especially now in this age of unprecedented communication.
“…the coercion of lying …”
Prove that lying itself is, of necessity, coercion. We both agree that fraud, perjury, incitement to imminent lawless action, etc are rationally prosecutable. But, lying in and of itself apart from fraud, perjury, incitement to violence, etc, exactly how is lying itself coercion? No one is forced to believe a lie, or to believe anything. No one has any general right to any information, truthful or otherwise, except in certain circumstances as above or similar (FOIA). Prove that a person does have such a right. Exactly how is lying in and of itself, apart from the above, coercion? Rationally prove it.
“Truth is reality. Reality is the actual state of things. Its recognition is as necessary for freedom, survival and evolution as is air, water and food.”
Actually, truth is not reality itself, rather an accurate representation of it. In a free society, it is one’s individual responsibility to ascertain truth for oneself just as it is one’s individual responsibility, in a free society, to obtain food, water, or shelter, or whatever for oneself.
From the Woodhull site, "Our work includes fighting censorship, eliminating discrimination based on gender or sexual identity or family form, and protecting the right to engage in consensual sexual activity and expression. We do this through advocacy, education, and coalition building."
I can agree with about half of it - fighting censorship, protecting the right to engage in consensual sexual activity and expression.
“It may have seemed an impossibility to implement at the founding of the constitution but today’s digital recording technology makes the recording and proving of lies in daily life entirely possible, enabling the enforcement of its criminalization.”
That’s quite the recipe for totalitarian tyranny. “…proving of lies in daily life…enforcement of its criminalization…” – any mistatement, no matter how inadvertent, could make one vulnerable to malicious prosecution – just ask Trump.
What you are advocating is evil under the guise of good. Lying in itself is not necessarily an initiation of force, and does not necessarily justify the use of force in return. The unjustified use of force is evil, yet you are advocating for it. Hey, why not have you prosecuted for advocating evil?! Hey, if one could be prosecuted for lying why not prosecute for advocacy of evil?!
The question is who and what is evil. Reality and morality are absolute. I’m right and you’re wrong. That’s not just my opinion – it’s absolute moral fact. I’ve pretty well proved that above. Maybe you should be prosecuted for advocacy of evil. Ya think?
“We both agree that fraud, perjury, incitement to imminent lawless action, etc are rationally prosecutable.”
Do you agree? They are both lying. Haven’t you just argued that the criminalization of lying is evil?
Lying is necessarily coercion because in civilization where laws support good over evil we recognize that the purpose of communication is to share information about reality so others can have the agency to choose what’s in their best interest.
Truth even the disguised false representation of it is a compelling force of authority. People are vulnerable to lies even though they try to discern truth.
This is why it’s necessary to criminalize lying.
"Do you agree? They are both lying. Haven’t you just argued that the criminalization of lying is evil?"
Lying is not necessarily a sufficient condition for evil, though it may be a necessary condition for certain evil or most evil. (One could argue that self-deception, lying to oneself, is a necessary condition for all evil. not necrssarily lying to others.) So, it is possible to lie and not commit evil.
"we recognize that the purpose of communication is to share information about reality so others can have the agency to choose what’s in their best interest."
But, still it's the listener's responsibility to discern truth from falsehood, not the speaker's. You have not proved a general obligation to speak truth and not to lie, apart from situations listed above.
"Truth even the disguised false representation of it is a compelling force of authority. "
Is it, in fact, compelling? People are free to disregard truth to their own detriment. If you could prove that falsehood is necessarily compelling in all circumstances, not just in fraud, perjury, etc., then you would have proved your point. That has not been done, because people have the capacity for independent agency.
If reality isn’t compelling, you’re irrational.
Proof.
Reality and truth are two different things. Truth is an accurate representation of reality, not the reality itself. Exactly how is any speech or idea "compelling" of any action? Ideas or speech are only "compelling" if people act on them. But, no one is compelled to accept or act upon any idea. An idea may be persuasive or attractive but no one is compelled to act on it. Simply saying that speech is compelling is not proof.
The recognition of reality is fundamental to evolution.
Misrepresenting reality interferes with that process.
Do you think that telling a blind man that it’s safe to step into a busy street is an initiation of force?
"Do you think that telling a blind man that it’s safe to step into a busy street is an initiation of force?"
Yes. Because the blind man by nature of being blind can't check it out for himself and certainly acts on good faith. But, humans are not intellectually blind. We have the capacity and responsibility to check things out for ourselves. Those incapable of thought ate ususlly found in mental institutions.
"The recognition of reality is fundamental to evolution.
Misrepresenting reality interferes with that process."
Yeah, it IS evolution - those who cannot or will not recognize reality go out of existence. That's reality. It's the individual's responsibility to attain the skills necessary to discern lies from truth.
It is the responsibility of owners to protect their property but it’s still a crime to steal.
Lying is not neccesarily theft.
My analogy demonstrates that in civilization we have many laws to protect what we are individually responsible for.
In a just society, we have laws to protect individual rights against initiation of force. You have not proved that anyone has a right to truth outside of the context of opposing fraud, or incitement, etc. Nor have you proved that lying outside of fraud, incitement, etc. is necessarily an initiation of force.
I thought I spelled it out for you.
The recognition of reality is a prerequisite for rational behaviour. Falsely representing reality initiates compelling aka forcing people to act without agency therefore in an irrational manner.
UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE THE SKILLS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, ALL MISREPRESENTATION OF TRUTH DOES THIS.
Truth is the best representation of reality humanity is capable of.
"Falsely representing reality initiates compelling aka forcing people to act without agency therefore in an irrational manner."
That's not true. Aside from trickery in fraud, no one is compelled to believe or act upon any representation of reality.
It's the people's , the individual's, responsibility to attain skills necessary to discern fact from fiction.
Perhaps you should remind sarc that it most certainly did happen, and it happened in 2018 when the Trump Administration indicted and charged the Backpage founders in this very case?
• Check out "Fact Checked by Woodhull" for help debunking all sorts of bad sex myths. The new series, from the Woodhull Freedom Foundation, was launched to combat propaganda and pseudoscience surrounding sex-related topics. "False or misleading information is everywhere, and that's a problem, especially when it's used to limit our rights and freedom," writes Woodhull president Ricci Joy Levy.
A site that promotes "gender affirming care" for minors is fighting "pseudoscience". That's fucking rich. Fuck the fucking fuck off.
When your 'libertarian site' promotes this shit, you know it's been fully adapted for modern audiences.
Achieving gender justice requires us to redistribute power, resources, and access to the benefit of people of all genders. By necessity, this redistribution is intersectional and centers the experiences and needs of those who have been most profoundly affected by oppressive systems.
ENB, without TDS, has been way worse than Shikha ever was for a very, very long time.
The phrase 'gender justice' makes my head spin, and instantly makes me think of the phrase 'we've always been at war with Eurasia'.
There are only two genders, and anything past that is an advanced class in navel gazing.
If you're so far up your own ass that you must put yourself into a government approved imaginary box that primarily describes who or what you prefer to fuck then you deserve to be discriminated against if for no other reason than because you are an insufferable twat.
The notion that any of the notional 57 genders (or however many there are now) pairing off with any of the other gender types is anything different than your traditional heterosexual relationship is a figment of their imaginations.
I've known married gay people and single gay people my whole life, and every one of their relationships is quintessentially the same as any hetero couple I've ever known. Get over yourselves, you aren't persecuted just because no one wants to join your one-person polycule.
Justice with an adjective is always injustice.
"If you’re so far up your own ass that you must put yourself into a government approved imaginary box that primarily describes who or what you prefer to fuck then you deserve to be discriminated against if for no other reason than because you are an insufferable twat."
That really is the point. Nobody gives a shit who or what you pretend to be. But nobody wants to hang out with self absorbed assholes.
From the Woodhull site, "Our work includes fighting censorship, eliminating discrimination based on gender or sexual identity or family form, and protecting the right to engage in consensual sexual activity and expression. We do this through advocacy, education, and coalition building."
I can agree with about half of it - fighting censorship, protecting the right to engage in consensual sexual activity and expression.
Good grief. I assumed it was some boring site full of alarums without any citations or evidence. But to use a site that promotes child abuse, that's just crazy.
ENB, you are off the reservation and beyond the Pale. Go get a job at Salon or some other creepfest site.
It's no surprise that Reason hasn't touched the Cass Report with a 900' pole.
Even Wokepedia has a pretty fair article on it. But not Reason.
"But to use a site that promotes child abuse, that’s just crazy."
Gender denying care is not the issue. Censorship and prosecution of Baclpage is the issue. On that issue, the site is legitimate.
Er, did ENB "check it out" herself?
That's like promoting "Fact Checked by Rob Misek" for "help debunking all sorts of Holocaust myths"...
"A site that promotes “gender affirming care” for minors is fighting “pseudoscience”. That’s fucking rich. Fuck the fucking fuck off."
The fucking point is fucking censorship of fucking Backpage, not fucking gender fucking denying "care", muvvafucker.
Didn't ENB poo-pooh the issue of social media silencing opposing views?
Her concerns are laughable. Unless pussy is directly involved, she does not care about anything.
Imagine if claiming that an election was stolen was prosecited as fraud against the United States.
Or arecsone elections (D) ifferent?
Why? You imagine that already.
Not a single post specifically condemning this prosecution.
Until now.
They should never have prosecuted Backpage and blood is on their hands.
Who is this "they"?
"They" refers to the prosecutors, genius...try to follow long. It isn't that difficult.
"Presenting the evidence in the light most favorable to the government's position"
Huh. It's almost like they're on the same team. Fortunately judges in DC and Manhattan wouldn't do that.
Er, that's the legal standard a judge uses to examine a motion for summary judgment...
It's not a conspiracy against you!
So am I right in assuming that Reason has created an alternative morning link column featuring ENB's leftist views to counterbalance Liz's not quite as leftist views?
Here, try this.
Fair and balanced as always.
The Reason Edition of All Things Considered.
Reason cocktail party:
ENB: We need to talk. I get like one column a week and I have to jam a week's worth of left/libertarian journalism into it. Meanwhile Liz shows up whenever she feels like it and spews a bunch of MC propaganda. And the commenters all kiss her ass.
KNW: Look. The messaging has gotten a little complicated. I mean we fortified 2020 for Biden with Orangemanbad, Floridamanbad, promoted drag queen story hour and castrating kids but that was all cut and paste. Now we have to actually write shit.
ENB: That's what I'm doing.
KMW: Well we tried to threaten the readership to pay for Reason Premium and the numbers look pretty grim. So far we've only got one sign up.
ENB: That chick that comes up with the questions from readers on the podcast?
KNW: Yeah that one. More people will read the tedious crap that comes out of Reason Institute than will click on the magazine.
ENB: Well I still have my journalistic integrity to consider.
KMW: And I have your back. But if you're gonna write about lawfare and castrating kids some readers might notice a couple of elephants in the room.
ENB: Only the Ron Paul racist libertarians. Those motherfu... Oh shit. Here comes Jacob.
Sullum: Hello ladies. Whats up?
KMW: We were just talking about the nuclear codes Trump was selling out of Mar A Lago.
ENB: It's all over Mastodon.
Sullum: I know right? What a dick.
ENB: Well I need a drink.
Sullum: Yeah get me another vodka martini will ya? That shit's like 300 bucks a bottle. And while you're at it grab me a sammich.
ENB: (under her breath) Asshole.
Come to reason to laugh at the articles. Stay to laugh unironically at the comments. FYI on this:
KMW: Well we tried to threaten the readership to pay for Reason Premium and the numbers look pretty grim. So far we’ve only got one sign up.
I've got a bit of a working conspiracy theory surrounding this that I can bolster with some receipts, but because I've dramatically cut my commenting here, I haven't posted it. Maybe I'll work up the energy and post it some time.
I'll look forward to seeing the evidence.
I'm starting to doubt that Al Capone ever did anything wrong.
Well, out of all his heinous crimes the only thing they could come up with to charge him for was...not paying protection money to the government.
Yeah, I know. That level of irony causes physical pain.
If only there was something like ... a section 230 that would spell out what outlets are and are not responsible for.
So, was Backpage being used for child sex trafficking or not? These articles always avoid that basic question.
None of the charges were for child sex trafficking (or any other kind of sex trafficking for that matter). Does that help? How about this (from a previous ENB article):
"The memo—subject: "Backpage.com Investigation"—reveals that six years before Backpage leaders were indicted on federal criminal charges, prosecutors had already begun building a "child sex trafficking" case against the company. But this case was hampered by the fact that Backpage kept trying to help stop sex trafficking.
"Information provided to us by [FBI Agent Steve] Vienneau and other members of the Innocence Lost Task Force confirm that, unlike virtually every other website that is used for prostitution and sex trafficking, Backpage is remarkably responsive to law enforcement requests and often takes proactive steps to assist in investigations," wrote Catherine Crisham and Aravind Swaminathan, both assistant U.S. attorneys for the Western District of Washington, in the April 3 memo to Jenny Durkan, now mayor of Seattle and then head federal prosecutor for the district. Vienneau told prosecutors that "on many occasions," Backpage staff proactively sent him "advertisements that appear to contain pictures of juveniles" and that the company was "very cooperative at removing these advertisements at law enforcement's request."
"Even without a subpoena, in exigent circumstances such as a child rescue situation, Backpage will provide the maximum information and assistance permitted under the law," wrote Crisham and Swaminathan." https://reason.com/2019/08/26/secret-memos-show-the-government-has-been-lying-about-backpage/
If they helped in "child rescue situations", that would seem to indicate that the answer to my question is yes.
Or when child sex traffickers attempted to use the site, Backpage reported them.
Even if Backpage was used by child sex traffickers is not a reason to shut them down any more than shutting down a gun store because a murderer bought the murder weapon there. Backpage used due diligence. There's no reason to prosecute Backpage.
Actually, I don’t think Backpage and its owners are being prosecuted because of child sex trafficking (CST). CST is neing used by the false-righteous conservatives to attack Backpage because Backpage’s ads enable various adult consensual sexual relationships, which goes against the conservative sexual false-ethics. Conservatives have a sense of sexual shame they want to impose upon consenting adults, regardless of
whether minors are involved or not. All this CST we hear about from conservatives is just a red herring, a device to attack consensual sex between adults that offends conservatives sexual false-morality.