This Colorado Bill Would Abolish the Right to Armed Self-Defense in Many 'Sensitive Places'
Legislators are taking a page from constitutionally dubious state laws that make carry permits highly impractical to use.

After the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the right to bear arms in 2022, several states simultaneously made it easier to obtain carry permits and much harder to use them. Once they could no longer require a "special need" before allowing residents to carry guns in public for self-defense, politicians in those states worried that residents would start exercising that right. Deeming that outcome intolerable, legislators banned guns from long lists of "sensitive" locations, making it highly impractical for people to legally carry guns outside their homes even after obtaining the requisite license.
In contrast with "may issue" states like New York, New Jersey, Maryland, California, and Hawaii, where licensing officials had wide discretion to deny carry permits prior to the Supreme Court's ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Colorado already was a "shall issue" state, meaning residents could obtain permits as long as they met specific, objective criteria. Colorado legislators nevertheless are taking a page from New York et al. by proposing broad restrictions on where permit holders may carry guns.
Senate Bill 24-131, introduced last month, would ban guns from "sensitive places" such as parks, playgrounds, recreation facilities, zoos, museums, libraries, "public gathering[s]," medical facilities, banks, stadiums, amusement parks, bars, pot shops, college campuses, and houses of worship (without "express permission"). Violating these restrictions would be a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum $250 fine, rising to $1,000 for subsequent offenses. While the bill is still in the early stages of consideration, Colorado Newsline notes that "Democrats hold a majority in both chambers" of the state legislature and "can easily pass their legislative priorities."
State Sen. Sonya Jaquez Lewis (D–Longmont), who introduced the bill in her chamber along with Sen. Chris Kolker (D–Centennial), says it is "just common sense," because "we really need to have a designation of where it's OK to have a firearm and where it's not." Kolker likewise invokes "common sense," saying, "I am sponsoring this bill because my constituents are tired of thoughts and prayers in response to gun violence."
Since Democrats frequently criticize Republicans who oppose stricter gun control for offering nothing but "thoughts and prayers" after mass shootings, the implication is that S.B. 24-131 would help prevent such crimes. But that expectation is highly implausible, since mass murderers are unlikely to be deterred by laws that notionally create gun-free zones. School shootings, for example, happen in settings where firearms already are prohibited under state and federal law.
"Five out of six mass shooters choose 'gun-free zones,' and the bill creates many more of them," David B. Kopel, a gun policy expert at Colorado's Independence Institute, notes in written testimony against S.B. 24-131. That estimate is based on a 2018 Washington Post analysis of mass public shootings from 2009 through 2016, which found that 86 percent happened in gun-free zones. "The bill creates many safe zones where criminals can attack without risk of armed citizens being able to fight back," Kopel says.
What about "gun violence" more generally? "Even the leading anti-gun expert witness nationally states that the 2003 Concealed Carry Act [which created the state's current licensing system] reduced violent crime in Colorado by 1.2%," Kopel says. He is referring to a 2017 study in which Stanford law professor John J. Donohue and two co-authors reported that the "effect" of Colorado's right-to-carry law on the "violent crime rate" 10 years after it was enacted was "−1.2%."
S.B. 24-131 specifically targets permit holders, since anyone who carries a concealed handgun in public is already breaking the law unless he is licensed to do so. Kopel notes that Coloradans with carry permits "are far more law-abiding than the general population." He says they are "39 times less likely to be arrested than someone without a carry permit." That calculation is based on the number of permits revoked because of arrests in 2020. Kopel adds that "data from other states are similar," indicating that "persons with a license to carry are very highly law-abiding compared to persons without permits."
In contrast with the dubious public safety benefits of S.B. 24-131, its impact on the right to armed self-defense in public affirmed by Bruen would be substantial. Notably, the bill applies to "adjacent parking areas" as well as the "sensitive" locations themselves. It makes an exception for "firearms stored in locked containers in vehicles." But on its face, that seems to mean a carry permit holder who visits, say, a bar, a museum, or a government office would already be violating the law when he pulls into the parking lot unless he had previously locked up his gun, which he would have to do in a location that is not deemed "sensitive."
Kopel describes the bill as "ridiculously overbroad." For example, he says, "it bans licensed carry from the entire parking lot of a shopping mall" if the mall contains a single "tavern" or "one small branch bank." He also notes that "a woman who goes jogging or walking in parks in early mornings would be prevented from defending herself." More generally, he says, the bill "guarantees that violent attackers will be safe from the danger of being shot by armed citizens, as long as the attackers choose to attack in the locations specified in the bill."
A similar California law, currently on hold thanks to a preliminary injunction that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit allowed to take effect in January, likewise classifies banks as a "sensitive" location. The plaintiffs in that case, Carralero v. Bonta, noted that the state "provided no evidence of a single bank robbery or other crime at a bank committed by a CCW permit holder." According to the state's reply brief, that is irrelevant, because "the Supreme Court has never suggested that sensitive places restrictions must be limited to those locations where there have been crimes committed by a concealed carry license holder."
Given that "there is no instance of a licensed handgun carrier committing a crime at a bank" in "the entire history of the United States," Kopel wonders, "what is the logic" of "imposing a prohibition, over-riding the decisions of many banks? What is the logic of prohibiting self-defense in every inch of a shopping mall parking lot just because the mall includes one small branch bank?"
Under Bruen, in any case, courts cannot uphold a gun control law by weighing its purported public safety benefits against its restrictions on Second Amendment rights. The government has the burden of showing that a law is "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."
Courts applying that test to location-specific gun bans have reached varying conclusions. But federal judges in California, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York have deemed at least some of those restrictions unconstitutional under Bruen. And even the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, which in December upheld several of New York's "sensitive location" restrictions, rejected the state's default rule against guns in all businesses open to the public unless the owner posts "clear and conspicuous signage" allowing them or "has otherwise given express consent."
That provision "functionally creates a universal default presumption against carrying firearms in public places, seriously burdening lawful gun owners' Second Amendment rights," the unanimous 2nd Circuit panel said. "That burden is entirely out of step with that imposed by the proffered analogues, which appear to have created a presumption against carriage only on private property not open to the public."
The Colorado bill, unlike California's law, does not include a sweeping rule like that. But the cumulative burden of its restrictions would pose a serious obstacle for permit holders who want to carry guns for self-defense in many quotidian contexts.
Given Democratic control of the state legislature, Colorado Newsline says, "the most effective opposition to any gun law reforms will likely come from groups that challenge the legislation in court" under Bruen. Jaquez Lewis is unfazed by that prospect.
The senator notes that resolution of Carralero v. Bonta "could take another one or two years." Although S.B. 24-131 claims its restrictions are "consistent with the second amendment," its supporters think waiting to see whether the 9th Circuit agrees would be reckless. "We didn't want to wait two years," Jaquez Lewis says, "because we know how many incidents of gun violence occur in Colorado in one year—way too many." Given the mismatch between that problem and her proposed solution, the logic is hard to follow.
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"we really need to have a designation of where it's OK to have a firearm and where it's not."
I fully agree.
And that designation exists in the US Constitution. Everywhere.
That's what shall not be infringed means.
COLORADO IS THE LIBERTOPIAAAAAAAAAA
"where it's OK to have a firearm" - everywhere the police and/or the politician's bodyguards think it's necessary to go armed.
"where it's not" - anywhere the venue owner takes full responsibility for guaranteeing the physical safety of everyone on the premises.
Seems like common sense to me. Sadly, that's nothing like what Kolker thinks is sense.
As of 7 years ago when I left the state, language in the Oregon constitution made it legal to carry with a permit in all public spaces except courthouses. The universities kept trying to enforce bans and got shot down every time.
Since the courts take measures to prevent illegal carry, I was OK that.
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“where it’s OK to have a firearm” – everywhere the police and/or the politician’s bodyguards think it’s necessary to go armed.
“where it’s not” – anywhere the venue owner takes full responsibility for guaranteeing the physical safety of everyone on the premises.
I would agree with this, but I would add a caveat that “venue owner takes full responsibility for guaranteeing the physical safety of everyone on the premises.” explicitly means providing armed security and a weapons check for people who carry.
Will dreamy Polis sign the bill?
My guess is yes, just because he's a Democrat. But all I really know of him is that Reason has some kind of collective hardon for him, in spite of his anti-liberty stance in the news.
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Huh.
Colorado Democratic governor signs 4 gun control bills into law
Once in a while he opposes the sort of Democratic nonsense that the Governors of New Mexico and California support.
Of course he won’t. He’s the most libertarianist governor ever!
They want the low, biting citizens dead
That’s why they are passing this bill.
Now illegal aliens will be able to have guns and the citizens won’t
Aren't the low, biting citizens the vermin?
Deeming that outcome intolerable, legislators banned guns from long lists of "sensitive" locations
This is Sullum going "American Psycho" on us. This isn't him saying anything he actually believes about rights or infringements, just vacuously aping what he thinks 90s-era moderate liberal democrats, libertarians, and conservatives want to hear.
The next time someone drops a book on a hard floor or a car backfires, he'll hit the deck and scream "Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have been in WI! Don't shoot me! I'm a journalist! I have free speech rights!"
A couple of years ago a woman was shot and killed by her ex-Husband. He had been threatening her and local law enforcement said that there was nothing that they could do. She bought a pistol, had the training on how to use it and got a concealed carry permit. Her employer didn't allow weapons on company property, so she would lock the pistol in her car's glove box. One time she was giving a co-worker a ride to work the glove box popped open revealing the pistol. The co-worker reported her to HR, who threatened her with the loss of her job if she brought the pistol with her again. Word of this got to her Ex. One day when she was leaving work, he ran her off the road and shot her because he knew that she was unarmed.
One time [when] she was giving a co-worker a ride to work the glove box popped open revealing the pistol. The co-worker reported her to HR, who threatened her with the loss of her job if she brought the pistol with her again. Word of this got to her Ex. One day when she was leaving work, he ran her off the road and shot her because he knew that she was unarmed.
Is that Karen of a "co-worker" happy with herself? She hated guns so much that she made sure to disarm the woman who did her a favor by driving her to work and whose life was being threatened. If Karen knew of that danger, then she is morally an accessory to that woman's murder.
"This Colorado Bill Would Abolish the Right to Armed Self-Defense in Many 'Sensitive Places'"
Only for the peasants.
"We didn't want to wait two years," Jaquez Lewis says, "because we know how many incidents of gun violence occur in Colorado in one year—way too many."
She knows how many things she's talking about...one or...wait ten..uhh...too many!
She is, apparently, innumerate.
Presumably, the number of incidents of blunt object, edged weapon, and empty handed violence in CO in one year is *just right* for Goldilocks Lewis.
Why does the US have a higher gun violence rate than any other industrialized country, and what is the libertarian approach to tackle this problem?
How many unarmed civilians were murdered by their own governments in the last 125 years? In the last 500 years?
I’d say a bit of inner-city violence is tolerable compared to gov’t genocide.
Why does the US have a higher property crime rate than most (all?) industrialized countries (however that's defined). Is the solution to take property away?
Why does the US have a higher violent crime rate than most (all?) industrialized countries (however that's defined). Is the solution to cut off people's hands/feet?
A lot of it is an effect of taking the war on drugs seriously. There is a lot of money to be made selling illegal drugs and sales territory is very important. When someone else is selling on your corner you can't take them to court so you instead shoot them. So yeah. We have more violent crime.
We also have more people in prisons for violating drug laws. We have police, courts and prisons so tied up with mandatory prosecutions and mandatory minimum sentances that they are too busy for other crimes. Property crimes have always been hard to solve and prosecute so instead of the hard work they go after the stoners selling weed.
Besides, you can't steal the property of someone who is stealing other people's stuff. With asset forfeiture all the neat stuff the drug dealers bought is now police property. Easy, fun and profitable. Why bother enforcing any other laws?
Another part of this is that cops refuse to investigate crimes with victims if they believe drugs were involved.
If you are a victim of assault, robbery, home invasion, or whatever, and the cops think drugs were involved, they’re going to laugh in your face and tell you you deserved it. The closest thing they’ll do to an investigation is look for an excuse to charge you with a crime.
So if you want to commit crimes against someone, make it look drug-related. There's a good chance you'll get away with it and get your victim arrested.
“A lot of it is an effect of taking the war on drugs seriously.”
America takes the war on drugs far less seriously than Japan, Malaysia, China, Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran and many other places that take it far more seriously and don't have those problems.
Maybe the problem is the US being wishy-washy about drugs. They’re mostly illegal but you’re not going to be beheaded in a soccer stadium for having them.
I was thinking in comparison with first world democracies with a respect for human rights. Not pissant third world nations, ethnostates, theocratic loony bins and communist shit holes.
You are wrong wrong wrong.
Every EU country has a violent crime rate 3-5 times higher than the US. Of course, there are probably differences in every country as to what constitutes a violent crime, but if that mattered to you, you would have mentioned it.
There are also differences in what constitutes murder. The UK, for instance, used to only count murder when someone was convicted. A body with a dozen bullet wounds was not murder if they didn't convict anybody for the crime. I do not know what their murder conviction rate is, but that definition probably at least doubles the murder rate, possibly more.
If the rest of your assertions are just as lousy, then you are a liar.
Excluding suicides and gang warfare, the US has a much lower “gun violence” (guns themselves are not violent so I put that stupid combination of words in quotes) rate than most other industrialized countries.
As far as mass shootings go, show me one and I can probably show you a gun-free-zone (also known as an unarmed target rich environment).
The libertarian approach to gang warfare would be to take profits away from gangs by legalizing drugs. Not decriminalization, but actually legalizing the sale and distribution.
The libertarian approach to mass shootings would be to eliminate gun-free-zones.
Suicide isn’t a gun problem, so that’s a separate issue.
No, suicide is not a gun problem, but suicide deaths by gun numbers are very helpful for the gun grabbing crowd, just don’t tell them that suicide is way more common in virtually gun free countries like Japan and Germany.
Based on the latest data from the World Health Organization, Japan has a higher suicide rate than both Germany and the United States.
According to the WHO's 2019 estimates:
Japan had a suicide rate of 14.5 deaths per 100,000 population.
Germany had a suicide rate of 10.6 deaths per 100,000 population.
The United States had a suicide rate of 14.2 deaths per 100,000 population.
So Japan's suicide rate is the highest among these three countries, while Germany's is the lowest. The suicide rates in Japan and the U.S. are quite close, but Japan's rate is slightly higher than the U.S.
Japan also has some of the strictest gun laws in the world.
They don’t use guns. They commit seppuku. Using a ceremonial blade.
Think this one through. The attack in Russia was committed with fully automatic weapons and grenades. The Charlie Hebdo attacks were made with fully automatic weapons. Yet we don't have that problem in the US. France and Russia have gun laws that are more strict than anything that the US has.
Unlike Europe, this country hasn't had armies with fully automatic weapons and grenades wage wars against each other several times.
Because Europe has, and because much equipment goes unaccounted for during war, there are lots of such weapons floating around that continent.
At least that's my theory.
The Charlie Hedbo attack was conducted in France. Unless I've missed something, the last war on French soil was WW2. The Kouachi brothers did not use WW2-era weapons. The 2015 Copenhagen attack was conducted with similarly modern weapons. I'm sure there are many other examples.
While I have not read any definitive source for the weapons used, I strongly suspect that they got them from the same blackmarket sources that modern drug dealers use. I see no evidence to support the "they're laying around since the last war" hypothesis.
What about Bosnia?
Also, when things settle down in Ukraine, do you think all the gear is going to be turned in?
I think you underestimate the border and import controls that exist even within the EU. Even if a weapon was lost in Bosnia, it's no easier to sneak it into France or Denmark than it is to sneak it into the US.
Sure it will be difficult to ship weapons between countries. But people can travel freely between EU countries. What stops them from putting weapons in the trunk and driving from Denmark to France?
Bears.
Greece is in the EU and shares borders with these recently warring Balkan countries as well as Turkey, which basically has an open border with Syria and the Caucasus. The Greeks don’t really give a shit what crosses into their country so long as it’s not illegal immigrants looking to stay there, who they just send on to the northern countries. Guns would be incredibly easy to send through and on to the rest of the EU.
I get your point, just saying WWII wasn't the most recent European conflict.
In Japan being an island state has very rigid gun controls. so those that want them but can't get them build poison gas bombs and rockets. they actually build their won rockets to launch at buildings, it happened, look it up. where there is a will there is a way
Even in the US, the highest death toll school attack is not a mass shooting in recent decades, it's a bombing from 1927.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
And the Oklahoma City federal court house bombing in the 1990s has a death toll higher than the 4 worst mass shootings combined.
Then there's the 9/11 attack on the twin towers. 3000 dead, The single largest mass murder event in US history. Not one gun involved.
re: "Why does the US have a higher rate of gun violence..."
As sarcasmic says, we don't. Once you control for suicides and drug-related gang violence, the US rate is at or below most other industrialized countries.
I will freely concede that we have suicide problem - but the root cause is a failure of our mental health system, not guns. If you want to fix our mental health system, I'll be right there with you. But taking away people's guns does nothing to advance that goal.
I will also concede that our disastrous "war" on drugs has been a colossal failure that is driving the very violence we keep saying we're trying to stop. If you want to reduce gun violence, the fastest and most effective thing you could do is end prohibition. Take the artificially-inflated profits out of the drug trade and the violence will evaporate.
For those who nevertheless think that we should ban guns, I leave it as an exercise for the student to figure out why gun prohibition will be no more effective at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals than drug prohibition currently is or than alcohol prohibition was before it.
I leave it as an exercise for the student to figure out why gun prohibition will be no more effective at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals than drug prohibition currently is or than alcohol prohibition was before it.
Alcohol prohibition did result in a 30-40 percent drop in alcohol consumption. So the standard response is the typical “it would be worse without the laws” counterfactual argument.
I think a better approach to persuade people to question and oppose prohibition laws is to ask which is worse, the cure or the disease.
re: 30-40% drop
That's true only if you define the problem as mere "drinking". Early on, no one actually argued that. The evil to be stopped was excessive drinking that led to drunkenness, family abuse, loss of jobs, etc. If you look at the change in alcohol consumption by heavy users, the drop was anywhere from 'not at all' to 'a lot less' depending on whose research you believe. The 30-40% drop, in other words, came from the law-abiding citizens who weren't problem drinkers in the first place.
Just like that example, gun prohibition laws will result in fewer guns but the decline will be entirely (or almost entirely) among the already-law-abiding citizens and the behavior of the people they claim to want to stop (the hardened criminals) will be unchanged.
It will only "be worse without the laws" if you let them move the goalposts from 'stopping violence' to 'owning a gun'.
Just like that example, gun prohibition laws will result in fewer guns but the decline will be entirely (or almost entirely) among the already-law-abiding citizens and the behavior of the people they claim to want to stop (the hardened criminals) will be unchanged.
Which adds to my argument that "the cure is worse than the disease" might be more persuasive. Gun laws don't disarm law breakers, but rather put otherwise law abiding people in prison.
It will only “be worse without the laws” if you let them move the goalposts from ‘stopping violence’ to ‘owning a gun’.
As far as the gun-grabbers go, I don’t think they don’t see much of a difference between gun ownership and violence. Hence terms like “gun violence” which blame guns, not people.
Oregon is an illustrative example: they are reversing their drug legalization experiment because legalization led to more crime and worse drug problems. Portugal’s corresponding experiment is failing even with much lower rates of drug use than the US. Apparently, the disease of widespread drug use is worse than the cure.
Because if criminals do not obey laws about murder, rape, robbery, etc., they won't obey laws about gun control either.
There’s a big difference between what you list and prohibition laws. The laws you list have criminals and victims. With laws prohibiting alcohol, drugs and guns, the only victims are those who fail to obey.
primarily because some deliberately dishonest people use the "gun" qualifier to ignore the bigger picture.
if you look at suicide rates, for example, you would see things like the US being much lower than Japan.... until you limit that to only suicides with guns. if you flip it, you should be asking why Japan has not outlawed buildings higher than 2 stories. you find the same trend with murders..... we don't have more murders until you limit yourself to only murders with guns. and on and on.
it is a false narrative formed by deliberately ignoring most of the data. the fact is that gun control has zero impact on overall murder or suicide rates..... it just forces the suicidal to buy a rope and the murderers to use a knife or car or baseball bat, etc., while removing potential victims' ability to protect themselves.
The standard counterargument to that is that guns are easier.
It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to cut your veins.
It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to drink poison.
It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to swing a baseball bat.
It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to shove a knife into someone.
And while that is true (at least I presume it is being I've never committed suicide or murder), it doesn’t stop people without access to guns.
It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to swing a baseball bat.
It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to shove a knife into someone.
But not nearly as emotionally satisfying.
"It’s easier to squeeze a trigger than to cut your veins."
Just to squeeze the trigger sure. There's a lot more involved in committing suicide with a gun than just pulling the trigger.
Even with a handgun, holding it in a position for a reliably fatal self inflicted injury is more awkward than most people think. With a long gun, it's even worse.
Went looking for data on unsuccessful suicide attempts by method. Found this, not really what I was looking for, but interesting.
https://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c3222
https://ijmhs.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13033-020-00378-3
Hmm, don't see firearms there at all.
Thanks for that Rabbit Hole.
Why does the US have a higher gun violence rate than any other industrialized country, and what is the libertarian approach to tackle this problem?
This is the lie you are going with? What about Russia and Ukraine? I suspect they see a considerably higher rate of gun violence. How about Israel? Afghanistan? Those four countries all have nuclear capabilities, that certainly qualifies as industrialized. But you certainly shouldn't exclude Syria and Gaza. They have the capability, if they can keep it from getting destroyed when they attack their neighbors.
If you were to qualify your stupid question with "industrialized nations not at war" your statistic is still complete bullshit because it ignores all other types violence. I would bet it even ignores gun violence by government agents, which might completely flip the script.
Are police guns exempt from these magical, sensitive places?
On duty, yes, obviously. Off duty, looks like they are not exempt.
Where did you see that? Because most laws like this have an exception for off duty cops. And even if they're not exempt, good luck getting cops to enforce laws on each other.
What about HR218?
The actual restriction is "when the officer is engaged in the officer's official duties". You might think that would exclude off-duty cops but other Colorado law defines a police officer as being "in performance of duties" whether or not he/she is on-duty or even within assigned jurisdiction and "shall have the authority to carry firearms at all times, concealed or otherwise" (subject only to local policy of the officer's specific employer). C.R.S. 16-3-110 and 16-2.5-101
Maybe those areas need to stop being so “sensitive “.
People in the comments claimed leftist Reason wasn't going to cover this story, so this article doesn't exist.
Who did that?
You know what they didn't cover, Sarcasmic? The fact that their favorite Governor McDreamy signed four new gun control bills into law. Seeing as they wrote five different hagiographies and two fellating interviews right here in the pages of Reason on how super libertarian he was, why do you think they somehow haven't mentioned this.
Colorado Democratic governor signs 4 gun control bills into law
Too local?
I hate to even say this but guns aren't the only liberties people enjoy. Yes, Colorado sucks on guns. Even after passing their improved carry laws they still sucked on guns.
However Marijuana is legal and affordable. Most of the liberties the left seek to enjoy are unregulated in Colorado, for better or worse. I haven't lived there for going on 15 years but I have friends back there and they don't report it becoming the next Sodom or Gamora.
They are pretty shitty to Christians, but to be fair they ask for persecution. Without it they get bored. If you aren't a gun owning Christian then Colorado is pretty good.
Compare that with where I live now, South Dakota. Gun owning Christians pretty much own this state. They are everywhere, like Elvis.
The left leaning liberties are pretty much not available or even welcome. The state legislature keeps snipping chunks off our Medical Marijuana initiative and even if we pass recreational weed I doubt they will let it ever work. I suspect paperwork to open a recreational weed shop will be worse than the paperwork to open a gun shop in California.
There haven't been any test cases I've heard of but I figure if you catch a teacher trying to trans your kid the cops won't care if you kill the teacher. So we've got it great if guns and God are your liberties. Not so much if you want to smoke a joint after a hard day at work.
Discussing individual liberty is more than just can I carry a gun in the open at the grocery store. There are a lot of facets to liberty, not all of them are ones you want to enjoy. Not everyone wants to enjoy the ones you do. You have to look at it on the whole balance. If guns is your big issue then I'm living in heaven. If weed is you big issue I'm living in hell.
It is not guns. It is self defense. I bet all those easy weed stores in CO have security. Probably off duty cops.
Well, since they have to work in only cash, unable to take checks and credit cards because of federal banking laws, yes, they have security like a casino. They have daily visits by armored cars.
But we aren't talking about hypocrisy. Just your view of liberty may not be the same as someone else. Fuck, I haven't been able to own a gun since 1992 when I got busted for selling weed in Colorado of all places. Why should I give a fuck about your gun rights. I don't have any.
Why should I give a fuck about your gun rights. I don’t have any.
That is rather nihilistic. I do give a fuck about your gun rights and believe they should be reinstated. My take is that "Shall not be infringed" means exactly what it says.
My view of liberty is defined by the social contract under which I live, the US Constitution. That is why I am so sensitive to progressive/socialist ideologies that attempt to redefine it to the point of meaninglessness.
You're damn near unique when it comes to wanting people with drug convictions to have gun rights.
But the point still stands. Why should people who want to be free to smoke weed support 2nd amendment rights for others? Most big 2nd amendment supporters want to have us tossed in prison for life or just shot in the back of the head.
“They are pretty shitty to Christians, but to be fair they ask for persecution.”
Nobody does. Not baking the cake is never asking for it.
But the point is that even though they’ll criticize “Colorado politicians” for gun control they cannot bring themselves to mention that their beloved Polis is the chief culprit.
Like I said to the other guy, in 1992 the State of Colorado took away my second amendment rights. Why should I care about the second amendment rights of others? Especially those who oppose my 9th and 10th amendment rights to the federal government not sticking their noses into state and personal business? What business is more personal than what you ingest?
Demonstrating once again how the leftist turds wants us unarmed, obedient and oppressed...and the best way to do that is through disarming the masses.
Ask me again why I hate liberal do-gooders.
Looks like more work for SCOTUS.
Will this law end gang violence in the inner city?
Funny how they don't make inner cities gun free zones to make them all safe.
Best place to steal a handgun?
Parking lot of a gun free zone.
That’s why I don’t put any stickers on my car. One with that NRA emblem or a Trump 2020 sticker is more likely to be targeted than one with none. Conversely an old Prius with an old “I’m With Hillary” is guaranteed to be firearm free.
"But that expectation is highly implausible, since mass murderers are unlikely to be deterred by laws that notionally create gun-free zones. "
this is the part that gun grabbers need to be beat over the head with until they understand it. restricting the carrying of guns only stops the people not planning to kill anyone. someone who plans to commit murder is not going to change their mind over a $250 fine. the law abiding person who could have fought back and potentially saved lives is the only one you are disarming. if you don't understand this, you do not have the right to ever use the words "common sense."
But the gun grabbers believe that anyone who wants to carry a firearm is unhinged or close to it, and might blow a fuse at any moment if provoked or offended and start shooting, making them a constant danger.
Actually leftists think that if guns were all gone there would be none for the psychos to get a hold of. They think government can actually, physicaly, get rid of all guns if only you right wing extremists would get out of the way.
Yes. It's stupid. But you have to understand that they know the psychos won't obey the law. They think government has super powers of some kind that by a full prohibition on guns there will simply be no guns available. At all.
The argument isn't can we make psychos oney the law, it's can government that has failed on every other kind of prohibition successfully prohibit guns and make it so no one can get them at all.
Obviously government can't, drug prohibition proves that hands down. You can get drugs in PRISON. Why have any hope to make drugs go away out here.
Do sensitive places that prohibit weapons for self defense include all the vaginas in the Colorado Democratic Party?
Senate Bill 24-131, introduced last month, would ban guns from "sensitive places" such as ... zoos
Right. I'm sure Colorado zoos will sport only squirt guns to control any escaped kitties.
I'm not surprised. Really stupid women and girly men wet themselves at the thought of a gun. Like the fear of spiders or TDS, the fear of guns is a mental disorder that disqualifies serving in the legislature.
I have no sympathy for Colorado - it has become a blue shithole.
Hoplophobia is a very real thing.
It can even get you denied a license to be a substitute teacher. They blamed in on racial profiling, but I don't believe Yanez was profiling Castile. His irrational fear was on display that day.
It is an unconstitutional law don't follow it. They will get sued and lose again. It cannot do this especially after the Bruin case. Gun free zones are nothing but killing zones. This is what you people get in Colorado for voting for Democrats they destroy everything they touch.
These restrictions seem to be begging for SCOTUS to slap them down, since they are doing exactly what they said was illegitimate:
From Bruen:
It is true that people sometimes congregate in “sensitive places,” and it is likewise true that law enforcement professionals are usually presumptively available in those locations. But expanding the category of “sensitive places” simply to all places of public congregation that are not isolated from law enforcement defines the category of “sensitive places” far too broadly. Respondents’ argument would in effect exempt cities from the Second Amendment and would eviscerate the general right to publicly carry arms for self-defense that we discuss in detail below.
Legislators should not produce bills that act to deny a right in a government interest without also explaining how to earn the right to use the right where it would otherwise be a privilege.
Word salad?
Just so people do not look stupid using their guns on government property, they should have to get certification in order to qualify for using guns there.
It's nothing other than common sense, that if other persons can use guns there, such as in a park by being privileged such as by being "law enforcement," then there should be a qualification for the little guy, too, since we all have the same rights even though we do not necessarily start out having the same recognition of having a control privilege on the king's property to carry guns.
Sensitive places, AKA, shooting galleries.
Has any person, with intent to do harm, ever been deterred at any time in any place by such laws?
As if they would conclude “Well I was going to take out as many people as I can like fish in a barrel, but I sure don’t want to violate any sensitive places law!”
And to look at it from the other side—has any legal gun carrier, having left home armed with no intention of causing anyone harm, ever blown a fuse and started shooting people unexpectedly? That's the scenario the gun grabbers say they fear.
Bill Would Abolish...Armed Self-Defense in Many 'Sensitive Places'
So aim higher.
It seems exceedingly odd that a Supreme Court with at least one textualist on it would consider various infringements of the right to keep and bear arms as not being infringements of that right at all.
They justifiably fear a world in which the 2nd Amendment is taken literally. The plain reading of it would permit citizens to bear any arms that a soldier can carry. That would allow full auto rifles, grenades, recoilless rifles, and Stinger missiles. So, judges who actually care about the Bill of Rights try to devise arguments for allowing the government to draw a line beyond which the more powerful and destructive weapons may be prohibited, while still defending the principle of the right to bear arms.
The Constitution grants the legislature to issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal. In short, make privateers. Pirates who work for a nation by attacking the commerce of enemy nations.
How can I be a privateer in service to the US if I don't have access to such heavy weapons? How can I interdict the commerce of Canada without an Abrams tank? I need these things in case my country calls on me to make war on the commerce of enemies.
Even if this passes, surely Reason's dreamy Libertarian governor will veto it!
Many of the older generation grew up in towns where likely the majority of residents owned guns - lots of guns - with a nearly “0” rate of intentional shootings.
The reason for the non-violence was primarily “intent” not the weapon itself. Even if you owned a gun, you never never wanted to harm someone else.
Today an excessive number of Americans hate their fellow Americans and wish other harm. Today too many have bad “intent”. It’s not the weapon of choice but the intent.
Some possible root causes of why the intent changed: divisive politicians like Trump. Children viewing violent images on tv, movies, video games, etc. The failed War on Drugs instead of more legalization.
Bottom Line: the 4th Amendment was gutted in 1968 (“Terry v. Ohio”). If we gut the 2nd Amendment, it will quickly be followed by gutting the 1st Amendment. We shouldn’t repeal either amendment. Voters of both parties may regret destroying the U.S. Constitution.
Maybe vote for uniting leaders like the late John McCain instead of divisive leaders like Trump that advocates division and violence. Don’t gut the U.S. Constitution! Both Democrats and Republicans will not like how it turns out.
Soooo…. Reanimate the corpse of McCain and get rid of (?) trump and the 2A will be safe?
That’s fucking brilliant, dude.
John McCain.
Seriously?
You have to be kidding.