After Nearly 20 Years, They Finally Freed the Frozen Cherry Pie
The market offers many alternatives to bad desserts. We don’t need the FDA to step in.

Frozen cherry pie manufacturers have finally been liberated from one of the most unnecessary Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations. And it only took nearly 20 years of lobbying!
On March 14 ("Pi Day," of course), the FDA announced that "standards of identity and quality" for frozen cherry pies that were implemented in 1971 were revoked as of April 15. These standards of identity mandated how many cherries needed to be in frozen cherry pies (25 percent by weight) and how blemished they were permitted to be (only 15 percent) in order to be included in these pies.
What made these standards unusual, even taking into account the reams of FDA regulations that exist, is that these regulations applied only to cherry pies, and specifically to frozen cherry pies. Fresh cherry pies did not have to meet these standards. Frozen apple pies did not have to meet these standards. Only these pies did.
There are costs to these regulations, to be clear. There's an entire complicated compliance process the FDA implemented in 1971 to make sure manufacturers put the right amount of high-quality cherries into pies.
What was absent from all of this was any evidence that Americans needed the federal government's protection from lower-quality frozen pies. The American Bakers Association submitted a petition to the FDA all the way back in 2005 to see if this rule could be revoked.
Eventually the FDA agreed and announced plans for a rule change. As an example of how long it takes for even the tiniest amount of deregulation to happen, this initial announcement came in December 2020, under former President Donald Trump's administration. But that was just the announcement of the pending rule change; the whole lengthy process wasn't actually completed until March 2024.
The FDA explained when it announced the change was finally coming:
No standards of identity and quality exist for any other types of frozen fruit pies, or for any non-frozen fruit pies, including non-frozen cherry pie. We conclude that the standards of identity and quality for frozen cherry pie are no longer necessary to promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers.
Reason covered the announcement of the change back in 2020, noting at the time, "The reality is that it's not 1971 anymore, and innovations in both agriculture and food preparation have given Americans more options and competition, such that people don't actually have to settle for crappy frozen cherry pies." If some pie manufacturer decides to put out unpalatable cherry pies now that the government has eased the rules, consumers can simply buy somebody else's, or even make their own much more easily than they could have in 1971.
It has taken nearly 20 years to eliminate a petty food regulation that doesn't really serve a purpose, one that advancements and improvements in the marketplace had already rendered obsolete.
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Just think: If she has a contract with ALCOR, future generations can enjoy some frozen "Cherry Pie” too!
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surprisingly good live 35 years ago
Who were they opening for, or were they the headliner?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5sgdKsbPLnw
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Well, it would be pretty weird if frozen apple pies were required to contain 25% cherries.
That would be an affront against nature!
When the only regulation in existence requires 25% cherries, the two safest responses for any business would be to either put 25% cherries into every frozen pie, or to not sell cherry pies at all.
The odd rule here is not allowing blemished cherries into pie. Isn't pie the perfect use for the ugly tree children?
The only possible regulation that would make any sense concerning cherry pies would be to ban cherry pits that could break your tooth if you bit into them accidentally through a lack of adequate caution, yet I did not see any mention of this significant hazard in the "standard." Did I miss something here?
Hurting yourself is still ok.
its really about the quality of the experience while you hurt yourself
Will no one think of the dentists!?!
Yes, you missed the whole drift of why people don't accept the standard at all. We are not morons and won't continue to buy crap. And crap doesn't sell, so the winning sales go to the good pies.
This is the whole rationale of Consumer Reports. What people want and need to know they will find out. Else you get a starndards organization that has no standards !!! This is the lazy and dumb President who wanted with all his heart to have a Disinformation Governance Board (DGB). IRS lies, Biden and family lies,Kamal lies, EPA lies, CFPB really lies...and so who wants that
And crap doesn’t sell,
Rebuttal: Made in China
*drops mic*
Option A: Made in China crap.
Option B: Nothing.
In many cases you can't find a non Chinese alternative for stuff. They've managed to undercut even the Taiwanese in some markets.
Actually there's now a number of industries, such as textiles, where China's labor rates have priced them out of the market compared to the Philipines, Mauritas, and possibly even parts of South America.
China is doing more in plastics, electronics, and other somewhat higher-tech manufacturing now. Even the forced labor factories are making electronics rather than toys these days.0.080
They should de-pit the cherries or properly label them as pitted. Beyond that, she can bake a cherry pie, Billy Boy, Billy Boy!
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Pretty much every automated pit-removal device can miss one here or there, and using hand-pitted cherries in manufactured pies would drive the cost of the pies to a point where the market would just go with apple, pecan, or pumpkin instead.
Hand-pitting will miss one here or there, too.
Ditto with hand-picking as well. Competition and civil liability as a last resort are both the best guardians against bad products rather than Alphabet Soup agencies with blanket bans.
tru dat
True, and that is where civil liability kicks in.
Why would I want to pit my hand? Or hand my pits? Wait ... what?
Different kind of pits. These don't require shaving or antiperspirant.
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Yeah, that's why every jar of olives or cherries warns that the occasional pit might still be present.
That all depends on whether the pie in question has a soild, lattice, or open top crust.
See one my post below about companies that specialize in dinged produce.
Remember that day the people passed a US Constitutional amendment for the Union of States government to Regulate their food and drugs with a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Administration???
Yeah; me neither.
F'En Nazis.
The first American cherry pie health label just said
"Warning : May contain hatchet fragments."
Mmm! Iron Age Cherry Pie! Almost as good as zug-zug with Lana!
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I did get a fresh cherry pie recently that was probably only 5% cherries and the rest cherry flavored thickened goo. Never buying cherry pies from that store again.
And that store and that producer will lose business to real pie makers. Call the WH and tell them that.
"You'll Get A Big Delight out of Every Bite of Hostess Fruit Pies!"™
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Homemade air-fried pies where you can custom design the filling are best, and quick and easy to make with pre-made and pre-rolled pie crusts. Another great bounty of Capitalism!
I'm still looking for that pork in pork 'n' beans.
The pigs are allowed to walk on the beans and bless them.
Another huge win for Brandon, like oil drilling
"We conclude that the standards of identity and quality for frozen cherry pie are no longer necessary to promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers."
Of course no admission that the standards of identity and quality for frozen cherry pies were never necessary.
There should be records of some kind from the 1970s. Somebody in professional journalism is one FOIA request away from knowing what the original supposed justification for the regulation was back then.
The fact that it took 34 years for anyone to realize that such a needless rule was on the books is bad. The fact that it took 15 years of "study" to determine whether that rule was necessary is far worse. The fact that it took 4 years from the announcement that the regulation would be rolled back until that actually happened is a convincing argument for reducing the entire administrative staff of FDA to a single-digit number.
Even more insane if you read the final report. The rule apparently only applied to cherry pies which are frozen in a pre-baked condition. Pies which are baked and then frozen aren't subjected to any regularion other than the standard ingredients/labelling regularions which apply to all packaged foods.
https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/economic-impact-analyses-fda-regulations/frozen-cherry-pie-revocation-standard-identity-and-standard-quality-final-rule
So the FDA were Fruitarian Identitarians, eh? Only German Apfels and not Blackberries?? Only whole, pure fruit and not (((Die Juice)))???
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"After Nearly 20 Years, They Finally Freed the Frozen Cherry Pie."
Does this mean pie are squared is freed too?
No no. Pie are round, cornbread are squared. That's Geometry from South of The Mason-Dixon Line!
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Don't forget thickness. Flat volume free pies make nobody happy.
After Nearly 20 Years, They Finally Freed the Frozen Cherry Pie
The market offers many alternatives to bad desserts. We don’t need the FDA to step in.
Soooo…Will the FDA pay just compensation for freezer burn?
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And what’s so bad about frozen cherry pies, even with blemished cherries? It lets the bounty of Capialism be enjoyed worldwide wherever frozen trucks can run and there are food delivery services that specialize in blemished fruits and vegetables not accepted by groceries. Win-win-win for Business, Consumers, and Planet!
If someone wants a fun research project, find out who were the bootleggers and Baptists responsible for getting this rule created. It would be fun to know the back story.
Also: a home made pie of your choice says there were bootleggers and Baptists involved.
Cherry growers who wanted to force pie makers to buy the pretty ones to drive up the price.
What happened? Did the frozen cherry pie commissioner just retire and no one bid on his job?
Perhaps they opened the job to competitive bidding for a robot that would simply rubber stamp everything with a no. Then since no one could build a robot stupid enough to work for a beaurocracy the deal fell apart and thus cheer pies are free once again.
There was no Warrant for this regulation.
But some Legislator or Regulator and the cherry industry that paid them off got Dirty, Rotten, Filthy, Stinkin' Rich!
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