He's Going to Prison for Twitter Trolling. That's Not Justice.
Douglass Mackey's case raised questions about free speech, overcriminalization, and a politicized criminal legal system.

It took an FBI investigation, a three-week trial, and lots of taxpayer dollars, but the government finally got what it wanted this week: A Florida man is heading to federal prison for disseminating trollish memes during the 2016 election season that prosecutors alleged "deprive[d] people of their constitutional right to vote."
In the months leading up to Election Day, Douglass Mackey, an erstwhile far-right social media influencer, posted a series of photos on his Twitter profile—which had about 58,000 followers under the name "Ricky Vaughn"—encouraging Hillary Clinton–supporters to cast their votes by phone. That obviously didn't go so well for the people who fell for it. But however you feel about Mackey's obnoxious brand of politics and feeble attempt at comedy, the case became about a lot more than him, raising questions about protected speech, overcriminalization, and a politicized Department of Justice.
To prosecute Mackey, the government leveraged a law from 1870, a century and change before Twitter trolling would become a sport. That legislation was passed to deter the Ku Klux Klan from trying to prevent black people from voting, as they were known to do. According to the indictment, the DOJ alleged Mackey conspired to "injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate one or more persons in the free exercise and enjoyment of a right and privilege secured to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States, to wit: the right to vote."
It seems fairly clear that Mackey did not "threaten" or "intimidate" social media users. Whether he "injure[d]" or "oppresse[d]" them is perhaps more nebulous, but it is certainly not what lawmakers intended to address with the Enforcement Act when it was passed 153 years ago. The most notorious image Mackey posted was that of a black woman standing in front of an "African Americans for Hillary" sign, with the caption "Avoid the line. Vote from Home" and "Text 'Hillary' to 59925." At least 4,900 people texted that number, according to the DOJ. That's not nothing, but it can also be stated with a fair degree of conviction that his stupid scheme had no material impact on former President Donald Trump ultimately clinching office.
A jury convicted him in March of this year. This week, Judge Ann M. Donnelly of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York sentenced him to seven months in prison, calling his behavior "nothing short of an assault on our democracy."
Perhaps most curious about Mackey's prosecution, and the many resources poured into it, is that he is not the only person to have executed such a ruse. On the morning of November 8, 2016—Election Day—the comedian Kristina Wong tweeted a video of herself decked out in Trump's signature "Make America Great Again" red baseball cap, sitting in front of "Make America Great Again" yard signs, encouraging a familiar, yet inverted, refrain. "I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, people of color for Trump, to vote," she said. "Vote for Trump."
The video came with a caption: "Skip poll lines at #Election2016 and TEXT in your vote!" Wong said. "Text votes are legit. Or vote tomorrow on Super Wednesday!"
Wong has not faced criminal charges, nor should she. The thought of the FBI devoting time to investigating her for a silly tweet is ludicrous and an insult to the taxpayers that fund the agency. The notion that she'd spend time in prison for it defies parody. And yet there is someone whose reality is exactly that.
"Evidence showed that participants discussed generating interest in emails stolen from the Clinton campaign by Russia; portraying Mrs. Clinton as a 'warmonger'; and promoting the claim that she had 'cheated' during the primaries to get supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders to 'hate not just Hillary, but the Democratic Party itself,'" reported The New York Times. People of varying political persuasions will disagree with some, or all, of those tactics. But they are views that were (and still are) commonly held not only on the right but also among much of the political left. That they qualified as "evidence" of criminal liability does not speak well of the government's case against Mackey.
How his prosecution may impact free speech rights generally remains to be seen. There are already limited exceptions to the First Amendment, like defamation and libel. But as Eugene Volokh, a professor at UCLA School of Law, points out, there is no Supreme Court jurisprudence and no laws that specifically address the legality of what Mackey (and Wong) did. Perhaps there should be. But if the government wants to prosecute someone, they should do so based on what the law is—not what they wished it to be.
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I laughed... I'd hardly call that feeble.
One political party is using the government agencies they control to throw the leading presidential opposition candidate in prison…. and somehow we’re surprised about this particular story? Seriously? Are you people for real?
Is it surprise or disgust?
Republican trash need to wiped off the face of the earth. This why trash scumbg got off easy.
I’d love to see you try and get Rittenhouse’d.
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I guess, given our 100% fair, unbiased, completely apolitical justice system that one can safely infer that the reason Wong wasn't charged is because no Trump supporters were stupid enough to fall for such obvious BS while almost 5,000 Clinton voters were.
Makes sense, Democrats routinely run away with the retard vote.
I haven't followed the details of this case closely, but I can't help but wonder what the status of those 4900 texts were. Did the FBI do interviews and investigate the 4900 people who texted the #? Was it a small number of people who texted it 4900 times? Did the people who texted it genuinely believe that their vote was counting? If they texted it more than once, are they essentially guilty of voter fraud-- like someone knowingly buying stolen property that.. wasn't really stolen? Did they ALSO vote with the normal balloting system which would also suggest a willful fraud on the part of the duped?
For instance, there are many well-established confidence schemes that rely on the greed and innate criminality (or at minimum, the lack of ethical values) of the victim...
Or were they 4900 of his followers who were in on the joke, texting the number to see if there was more to the joke after they texted? Did the government prove that even one single person was duped by this tweet?
"Did the government prove that even one single person was duped by this tweet?"
Government Almighty MUST develop, and then deploy, INFALLIBLE brain-scan technology to apply to us ALL, to see WHO truly WAS, and WHO truly was NOT, deceived by LIES, before we can punish those who engage in theft, and fraud by deception! Before I can be punished for POISONING people who believe my LIES about supposedly-certified health benefits of POISONED "magic snake oil", ye must TRULY PROVE that they REALLY-REALLY believed my lies!
Does this REALLY sound like a good idea about how to run things, to YOU? Can you PROVE to me, that you REALLY believe that? Where should the burden of proof go, to the liars, or to the defrauded lie-buyers?
Fuck off, Nazi.
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Misek?
Sqrlsy, same shit, different package.
“In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right. Fraud can violate civil law or criminal law, or it may cause no loss of money, property, or legal right but still be an element of another civil or criminal wrong.” -Wikipedia
“Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB” is the UDDER listed daffynition for “Fraud”!
It's hard to tell from your idiotic gibberish, but are you actually saying you support this prosecution?
The government failed to prove the people were “threatened” and “intimidated” as well, my buttblasted friend.
Nope. Defense even stated that in closing.
That's cute you think government has to prove shit. Jurors vote for defendants like 2% of the time.
"Jurors vote for defendants like 2% of the time."
Because often prosecutors have used "prosecutorial discretion", and pressed ONLY the "egregious" cases that they were HIGHLY likely to win! And what's wrong with that?
That's what I think is the most likely. A bunch of guys knew it was a joke and figured "Hey. let's send in a bunch of votes for Hillary and it will be funny as hell. People will think that there are people stupid enough to fall for this crap!"
"What fdog50 thinks" should be substituted for what the jury thinks, AFTER THEY ACTUALLY HEARD THE CASE! fdog50 doesn't NEED to hear the detailed facts, 'cause fdog50 is infinitely wise! MUCH smarter than the jury, of COURSE!
Yes, he obviously thought voting was just a joke. Turns out, it isn't. Who knew?
Except in the case of Kristina Wong, it was considered a joke.
That's my take also Thinking Mind. The government didn't even attempt to prove otherwise.
It’s just criminal that SQRLSY hasn’t killed himself yet.
No, the government did not come up with one person who texted and thought they really voted, but they did try and spent loads of money hunting down the numbers after the subpoena for them and canvassed the states trying desperately to find one true idiot, but they failed.
That also came out in the trial, but the government claimed it did not matter because the defendants "intent" was to do so, thus he was guilty no matter what, for his thought crime, which produced no actual results and a lot of laughter.
Prosecution didn't find one person who claimed they thought the voting by text was real.
Exactly. And how do they wind up with an "at least x" figure anyway? I'd expect that either there would be no count available, or a fully accurate one. Did the DOJ (under Obama) get some kind of warrant to start counting those texts at some point in the process, so that they end up with the number of them sent from that point forward? And what about a breakdown by state? We'd need that to know whether any state's electoral vote was affected (or would have been if all the texters refrained from voting for real, which is unlikely).
Correction. The prosecution could not find a single person claiming they fell for it. The 5000 is the number of people who saw the tweet and texted. Vast majority of known were fans who follow Mackey.
Did you just pull that out of ur why trash asz?
#RetardsRPeople2
Democrats routinely run away with the retard vote.
They really do:
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/01/30/trump-supporters-verbal-ability/
Oh look, a cherrypicked survey from 1 non-peer reviewed source. Let me drop this here:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001081
The democrat party is operating from Saul Alinsky’s book,”Rules For Radicals”. In it, he urges people to accuse the opposition of doing that which they themselves are doing. It doesn’t hurt when the federal courts and District Atty.s are all packed with Barry Soetoro’s people. He did mention he was going to radically change America, and he has. America now more closely resembles a soviet state, where political enemies are imprisoned. how soon before they are eliminated altogether?
"Ricky Vaughn"—encouraging Hillary Clinton–supporters to cast their votes by phone. That obviously didn't go so well for the people who fell for it.
Is this Reason's way of finally admitting there might be voter fraud?
If LYING to people about how to place their votes is NOT "voter fraud"... Then WHAT IS voter fraud? Had this been a left-winger stealing Trump votes (tricking Trump voters), might your opinion, for SOME reason... Be DIFFERENT, pray tell?
If'n ye can't do the time...
Don't do the crime!
Douglass Mackey... HERO of humanity? PUNISHED for doing the RIGHT, heroic thing? ... Let's all cry in our beer!!!
Had this been a left-winger stealing Trump votes they would never have been prosecuted. In fact the FBI would probably help scrub the computer.
Like, with a cloth?
Citation please!
You could try reading the fucking article, drunky:
"Wong has not faced criminal charges, nor should she."
This is the opinion of the writer... And I disagree! As a former member of the USA armed forces, I agreed to possibly have bullets fired at me, that I could defend democracy... One citizen, one vote. These fraudsters are making a JOKE out of all of this! Soldiers killed for this, I assume, is OK with you? Or not? Yet expecting citizens to NOT defraud people out of their votes, is just HORRIBLY unjust? Do you LIKE dictatorshits ass opposed to democracy?
Do you LIKE dictatorshits ass opposed to democracy?
Your literally shilling for fascist political prosecution here and you have the gall to pretend you're not leg-humping authoritarianism, but somehow Kirk is?
Fuck you, Nazi.
NOT preventing VOTE FRAUD (people stealing the votes of their "marks"), if it runs rampant enough, thwarts democracy. Thwart democracy enough = replace it with NON-democracy... Some sort of "Joker" dicktatorshit! Enforcing the rules of democracy to thwart Joker-ocracy and dicktatorshit is now "literally shilling for fascist political prosecution"? What planet are you from, and what brain-warping, brain-destroying drugs are you taking?
Wong is a demoncrat and the demoncrats can do no wrong.
Here's your citation.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/194775987@N02/52474593967/in/dateposted/
Cool!!!
Why do you all engage with that psycho?
Because SOME of them are arrogant enough to think that they are smarter and more wise and benevolent than their betters?
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001081
They like kicking retards?
Whataboutism!
Stop ruining sarcs insightful and intelligent posts.
There is no number to text.
Factual details?!?! Details, schmetails!!! All that matters is what TRIBE does the offender or supposed offender belong to!
Thanks, FreedomWriter!
I checked it out, see https://voz.us/influencer-douglass-mackey-sentenced-to-prison-for-electoral-interference-for-making-memes-about-hillary-clinton/?lang=en ... This is an ENORMOUS difference here, between the fraudster and the humorist (Wong). Wong gave and invalid link indeed! From the above link... "This is the case of actress Kristina Wong, who with her publications also encouraged the Republican's followers to vote for him through text messages and an invalid link." Her joke leads NOWHERE, unlike the case with the fraudster! All of the drooling Trumpaloos here are WRONG here, and I am disgusted with the dishonesty of hack-writer Billy Binion here, for not telling the WHOLE truth!
Did Mackey or one of the co-conspirators get money for each text sent to 59925? Did texting trigger a response, or just nothing? I didn't see that in the reports I've read.
....the DOJ alleged Mackey conspired to "injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate one or more persons in the free exercise and enjoyment of a right and privilege secured to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States, to wit: the right to vote."
2A supporters: WTF??!?!
Educated people: WTF?!!
The Stalinists are firmly in control
Only STALINISTS oppose deliberate fraud!
Mackey shouldn't have been convicted, though it serves his damnfool self right. Should there be a law against providing such election misinformation? Well, given all the restrictions the GOP insists are necessary to secure elections, preventing someone from providing misleading information about when and where to vote seems consistent with that (provided one can demonstrate intent.) Election misrepresentation is election misrepresentation.
There will always be people who will argue that anyone stupid enough to be gulled shouldn't be able to vote anyway but that's not how elections are supposed to work in the US.
Sore-in-the-cunt Cunt-Sore-va-Turds: "Your opinion obviously does NOT count, since ye clearly do NOT endlessly lust after orally stimulating Orange Penis! It depends on whose votes get gored!"
Fuck off, Nazi. Absolutely nothing justifies what happened here and you know it.
Where should the burden of proof go, to the liars, or to the defrauded lie-buyers?
ANSWER the question, Ye Perfect Servant and Serpent of the Evil One! I DARE Ye to ANSWER the question!
What, “stupid fools DESERVE to be fooled and ripped off of their votes”? And “weak kids DESERVE to be ripped off of their lunch money”? We the HUMAN PREDATORS serve The Good by culling, or at least, dis-empowering the herd? Fools are BEGGING to be ripped off, and so, their “needs” need to be SERVED? Does “human evil” mean ANYTHING to ye, Oh Servant and Serpent of the Evil One?
YOU answer the question, Ye Perfect Servant and Serpent of the Evil One! I DARE you to ANSWER the question, Nazi!
Do you think imprisoning Douglass Mackey for "election interference" for posting a meme that hundreds of other Democrats had already posted is right?
If so, should they also imprison the CIA and FBI agents for election interference for publishing a letter about Hunter Biden's laptop that they knew was a lie?
"Do you think imprisoning Douglass Mackey for “election interference” for posting a meme that hundreds of other Democrats had already posted is right?"
Strawmen on the left, strawmen on the right! And strawmen EVERYWHERE! Do YOU Perfectly think that tit was OK that ALL of the Cunt-Sore-va-Turds tortured, and then drank the blood of, all of the innocent newborn Christian children?
Fraud by LYING can, and should be, punished, Ye Perfectly Tribalistic Servant and Serpent of the Evil One! WHY is this SOOOO hard to understand?
Why do You Perfectly LIE all of the time, with the UDDERLY Mammary-Inflated FLIMSIEST cover excuses? COVER UP, ye Perfectly Indecent Twat!
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47279253
YouTube aids flat earth conspiracy theorists, research suggests
Also... Even IF twat Ye say is true about the MANY ("hundreds") of offenses of the Demon-Craps... Which I am waiting for a "cite" on...
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ!)
Nobody read that, sarcasmic.
Hi Tulpa!
“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/ and https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sex-animals-bestiality-farm-cows-horses-richard-decker-new-jersey-a9152136.html
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan
"Nobody read that, sarcasmic."
I did just to see if the old Nazi had the balls to answer the question.
He didn't.
“Do you think imprisoning Douglass Mackey for “election interference” for posting a meme that hundreds of other Democrats had already posted is right?”
Yes, it IS right! Prosecute ALL of your offenders... And prosecute ALL of these "hundreds" (are You Perfectly sure that tit wasn't MILLIONS, Mammary-Farter?) of offending Demon-Craps ass well! Just be sure to give them all a jury trial if they want one!
Do You (Oh Perfect One) NOT trust juries to see what is, and what is not, bullshit? Shall we replace juries with Mammary-Farter? That's tit, isn't tit? ALL POWER to the GIANT BOOB!
Add strawman to the list of things you don’t understand.
“Do you think imprisoning Douglass Mackey for “election interference” for posting a meme that hundreds of other Democrats had already posted is right?”
Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB accused me of supporting IGNORING election fraud by "hundreds of other Democrats"... Did She read my mind with Her Magic Hate-Hat? She is "refuting" what I don't believe, which IS strawman bullshit! And do YOU believe that "hundreds of other Democrats" committed this exact same kind of election fraud? If so, WHY aren't you (or Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB) pressing charges?
Mackey shouldn’t have been convicted, though it serves his damnfool self right.
Yeah, that's how I-...wait what?
He’s using sarc logic.
If I may presumptuously mind-read SRG2, maybe SRG2 doesn’t much like theft by deception! What, “stupid fools DESERVE to be fooled and ripped off of their votes”? And “weak kids DESERVE to be ripped off of their lunch money”? We the HUMAN PREDATORS serve The Good by culling, or at least, dis-empowering the herd? Fools are BEGGING to be ripped off, and so, their “needs” need to be SERVED? Does “human evil” mean ANYTHING to ye, Oh Servant and Serpent of the Evil One?
There are things that are wrong yet there are no laws against them (and likewise things that aren't but there are such laws). When someone does something wrong and pays a legal price they may hence deserve that price though the price shouldn't legally have been extracted. To think otherwise is logically to conclude that what is right is determined by the law.
So you are anti free speech. What other rights do you think are wrong?
Anti-free-speech... Before I can be punished for POISONING people who believe my LIES about supposedly-certified health benefits of POISONED “magic snake oil”, ye must GET THE PERMISSION of Der JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer, to prosecute me... Der JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer will defend my "free speech rights", so long ass I BELONG TO THE TRIBE OF Der JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer!!! And THAT is how it is!
The key difference between selling poison to people and posting internet memes is that there's an actual victim in one case but not the other, drunky. I know that distinction often confuses you, which is why you think you were the victim when your "cunt" ex-wife got a restraining order and full custody after it came to light in court that you sexually abused your daughter.
Hey drooling moron...
Tomorrow a snake-oil sales-liar sells a ton of poisoned snake oil to 4,500 people, and he gets busted RIGHT before ANYONE takes a drink of said poison! In Kirk Shithead-land... Does snake oil sales-liar get off SCOTT FREE, 'cause no one was harmed? There was no "actual victim"? Their wasted money is of no importance, as long as no one got sick or died? Just HOW evil and STUPID are YOU, self-righteous Slave to the Evil One?
His side can’t win the free speech game.
One has the RIGHT to lie in court, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
WHY do you evil people love it SOOOOO much when lawyers LIE in court? Is it the lawyers that You love, the lies, or both?
1. You know that was her lawyer, not her, and she publicly reproached him; and
2. That has nothing to do with What SRG2, Jesse and Vulgar were talking about. It's a shitty distraction attempt.
You know that was the Evil One speaking through YOU, Oh Perfect One, when Ye Perfectly Justified LYING IN COURT, right, Oh Servant and Serpent of the Evil One? "The Devil MADE Ye do it", so Ye are INNOCENT!
Oh Perfect Liar, WHY did Your Perfectly Lying-in-Court Super-Shero just plead guilty? Because the Lizard People all GANGED UP on Her, with Lizard People lies? The Lizard People… MADE UP LIES IN COURT, about Poor Little Innocent Sidney, and the court BELIEVED the “Lies of the Lizard People”?!? (Sounds like a GREAT title for a book and a movie!)
It couldn’t happen to a nicer person!
When is Al Gore's prosecution for 2000 going to happen, sarcasmic?
Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?
How many brain cells does it take to run a socio-political simulation on the following:
Judge and Jury: “Murderer, we find you guilty of murder! 20 years in the hoosegow for YOU! Now OFF with ye!”
Murderer: “But OJ Simpson got off for murder, why not me? We’re all equal, and need to be treated likewise-equal!”
Judge and Jury: “Oh, yes, sure, we forgot about that! You’re free to go! Have a good life, and try not to murder too many MORE people, please! Goodbye!”
Now WHERE does this line of thinking and acting lead to? Think REALLY-REALLY HARD now, please! What ABOUT OJ Simpson, now? Can we make progress towards peace & justice in this fashion?
(Ass for me, I think we should have PUT THE SQUEEZE on OJ! AND on Tulpa the asshole ass well!)
"Butt, whatabout that them thar whatabouts? Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout OJ Simpson?"
Accusations of whataboutism are a fallacy in and of themselves as they're a form of manipulation and serve the motive of discrediting. Particularly when the comparison they're accusing of whataboutry provides necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair.
It's also lazy rhetoric. Throw in the accusation of whataboutism and you don't have to answer uncomfortable questions about two-tiered justice or hypocrisy.
Sqrlsy is not just a retard but also a total piece of shit, so this is par for the course for him.
Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB, and Her Perfect Twatabouts, are part of the problem, NOT a part of the solution!
Even when EVIL PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY (of ANY party!) engage in twataboutism, Ye Perfect Twat, IT DOES NOT MOVE US FORWARDS towards truth, freedom, benevolence, non-hypocrisy, etc., You Perfectly thick-headed, obtuse Perfect Person!!!! Ye just Perfectly insist that only YOUR Team knows twat “good” v/s “bad” twataboutism is!
ADMITTING one’s own sins (and the sins of Our Team), and WORKING ON our OWN sins, is what moves us forwards, Oh Perfectly Obtuse Wonder Child! People who are SMARTER than Perfect You can see RIGHT through Your Perfectly STUPID sophistry!
Sure. Did she sue her lawyer for malpractice? Missed that.
I am not anti-free speech.
I am anti-unlimited free speech, as are you, I think.
Would you abolish all fraud crimes as most fraud is speech or expression? Would you abolish all conspiracy laws? All incitement laws? All defamation laws? Laws against true threats? Etc etc
What a maroon.
And you are wrong. I dont think any memes should be regulated. When jeff tried this he tried claiming posting CP is speech. It is not.
And your version of limits seems to regulate a shit ton of speech as you agree with him being convicted for a fucking meme.
Soliciting murder-for-hire against the worthless life of evil, scheming, power-hungry JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer is "free speech"... Right, right-wing wrong-nut, evil, scheming, power-hungry JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer? That would be just a "fucking meme", right?
Yes, sarcasmic. You've really got him on the ropes now. Hiring assassins is exactly like re-posting memes on Twitter. Run with that.
ICYMI, when shreek's sock farm got mass-outed, it turned out that he's also the person who's been operating the chemjeff handle, which was originally cytotoxic. Kind of explains the obsessive defense of child pornography.
I never said he should be convicted for a meme, fucking or otherwise. But what he did was nonetheless wrong, hence my absence of sympathy.
One has to be really stupid to think that the words, "Mackey shouldn’t have been convicted" - which I wrote clearly and at the top of my first post - mean "Mackey should have been convicted." Evidently you're really stupid.
Sympathy isn't relevant here. This is more of a "you today, me tomorrow" thing. This should be very upsetting and disturbing to anyone who values free speech.
"...Would you abolish all fraud crimes as most fraud is speech or expression? Would you abolish all conspiracy laws? All incitement laws? All defamation laws? Laws against true threats? Etc etc..."
Some of these are not like the others, but the obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit isn't bright enough to know.
None of the examples he used are truly speech outside of defamation. He is just retarded.
Or so certainly convinced of his superiority as to ignore the alternative.
He truly is the obnoxiously arrogant lying piece of shit due exactly that of Andrew Loyd Webber: "Why do people hate me on sight?"
Saves them time.
SRG one two three or more; please make your family proud: Fuck off and die. But please have your grave marked so I know where to take a shit,
Wrong location
Would you abolish all fraud crimes as most fraud is speech or expression? Would you abolish all conspiracy laws? All incitement laws? All defamation laws? Laws against true threats?
Let me break this down. Since you are as impleton.
Fraud isn’t a crime of speech but one of business. It is the commercial act that causes fraud. In fact outside of New York it requires a commercial benefit for the one charged. If I have a website that says “eat this to lose weight” and it is wrong, there is no fraud. If I’m selling supplements that say “this will make you lose weight” and it is a lie, then it is fraud. The commercial act is required.
You’re not that bright shrike.
Would you abolish all conspiracy laws?
Conspiracy literally requires a predicate crime you retarded fuck. Well, unless you’re a Proud Boy, then they can get you on unspoken conspiracy charges. And most libertarians are against conspiracy charges.
All defamation laws?
Yes. Your side loves using them to hamper speech.
Laws against true threats?
If you knew what true threats were you would understand it requires the planning of a crime, not just speaking. God damn you’re a retard shrike.
I should also mention defamation is a civil tort, not criminal. Makes you look even more ignorant.
^+1 - keep at the asshole...
Except that I said "defamation laws" not "defamation crimes", and as I'd already said "fraud crimes" my use of the term "laws" was clearly intentional and made the distinction you didn't notice.
You can add "functionally illiterate" to your many charming qualities.
How can fraud work without speech – whether oral or written? You have to induce someone on the basis of representations.
You’re not that bright shrike.
I'm not shrike, and when a moron says I'm not that bright, that merely confirms them in their moron-hood.
How can a conspiracy work without communicating – speech – with other people? And you're confusing two things, the substantive crime and the conspiracy to commit the crime. As even you should be aware (though one wonders) the crime need not have been committed for there to be a conviction for conspiracy - which would therefore be all speech. Or perhaps you think that the police or the FBI are powerless to act and DAs powerless to prosecute until after the crime has been committed? No wonder you fled the Volokh pages, where your ignorant confidence in your legal knowledge would have been entertainingly exposed.
Are true threats all non-verbal?
It seems that you never think, you merely post reflexively what you feel to be true.
By your "logic" kidnapping for ransom is a speech crime because how can you demand a ransom without speech?
The point is that fraud is well defined and this wasn't fraud. So why bring it up? Everyone already knows that there are acts of speech which can in some contexts be criminal acts. But in all of those cases it requires more than simply an act of speech.
"When someone does something wrong and pays a legal price they may hence deserve that price though the price shouldn’t legally have been extracted."
Does the public deserve it?
Diet Shrike… youre literally arguing FOR the fear of government action against one’s freedoms.
Well, given all the restrictions the GOP insists are necessary to secure elections, preventing someone from providing misleading information about when and where to vote seems consistent with that (provided one can demonstrate intent.)
And this is just pure bullshit.
“And this is just pure bullshit.”
Wow, what UTTERLY Deep and Profound Analysis!!! JesseBahn-Farter-Fuhrer for SCROTUS!!! THE DEEPEST OF DEEP LEGAL MINDS, right here!!! Unsung DEEP and VASTLY under-appreciated UBER-Legal-Logical Mind!!! All Hail JesseBahn-Farter-Fuhrer!!!
(JesseBahn-Farter-Fuhrer, get Yourself a GED, and Ye will go FAR, or at least, FAR-right-wing! Get BEYOND just being a high-school dorp-out! STOP all of this excessive "dorping out"!)
Maybe he could go to your alma mater for his post-doctorate degree in computer science and then go beg the Glibertarians to teach him how to underline text in HTML, sarcasmic.
Try to get yer Mommy to help you write BETTER shit, pathetic Tulpa!
Try to get the Glibertarians to write you some new copypasta, drunky.
youre literally arguing
Literally literally, i.e., not.
Meanwhile, you're in favour of gubmint restrictions on voting so spare me your sanctimonious bullshit.
Mackey shouldn’t have been convicted, though it serves his damnfool self right.
Serves him right is making that argument shrike.
Curious, you seem to be conflating setting up guardrails through the law to make sure that someone who votes is allowed to vote and does so only once and properly with laws that limit free speech about elections. Is that your intent?
Here, strain your so-called "brain"... Did you know THIS? It IS possible to give people the right to decide which foods to eat, and to not eat, while ALSO protecting them from FRAUD in the form of the "free speech rights" of LIARS AND FRAUDSTERS who would sell them POISONS while calling said poisons "healthy foods"! Can you "grok" this PROFOUNDLY COMPLICATED concept? Do you need some HELP to understand this?
Yes it was his intent, and oh look, SQRLSY is defending leftist again. I’m totally surprised by those two’s actions.
Twat, all rightists are always right, and all leftists are always wrong? If a leftist is cruelly murdered for no good reason, by a rightist, and I sympathize with said leftist's family, that makes me a leftist? Tribalism much?
"...though it serves his damnfool self right..."
Skirt was too short, you slimy pile of shit?
WHERE did you say that you went to stupid-school, moron?
So, you agree that there currently *isn’t* a law such as the one you advocate?
The Klan Act, passed to curb nightriding terrorists, is the law the prosecution seems to have used. I’d agree with you that this law doesn’t seem to fit the case, though the judge was satisfied with it. Hopefully an appeals court will tell the judge she was wrong.
“Election misrepresentation is election misrepresentation.”
Except when the government does it – e. g., it’s completely OK to print up misleading ballots arbitrarily leaving off some candidates.
Back during Bush v Gore the Democrats made the case that the ballots were too confusing for their undereducated minority constituents. In other words, Democrats are too stupid to vote. By inference, Republicans were apparently not affected. By prosecuting Mackey and not Wong the DOJ has clearly adopted the position that Democrats are incapable of navigating the process of voting.
I don't think this is quite as outrageous as Reason makes it out to be. Posting false information on how to vote could well be criminal, and that wouldn't be a 1A violation; whether this guy crossed the line is debatable.
It isnt debatable. His entire account is jokes and memes. He never claimed to be a state actor or election official.
Since he was convicted by a jury, it is obviously debatable and lots of people reach different conclusions from you.
Ah, JesseAz will now think that you're only a step away from being a Communist pedophile, and you may also possibly be related to the Bidens.
Team shrike and sarc are heavy with strawman this week. Lol.
Messed up again shrike. You made this argument earlier while paling around with sarc.
Where did I make the same argument? You're engaging in your usual fuckwittery - "oh, Shrike and SRG2 made similar points so they're the same person!"
You remind me of a dumbfuck colleague at one of my jobs who thought that people had no opinions nor even information that they didn't get from TV. "You must have got that from Jon Stewart because he mentioned that article as well".
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That's the trumpian strategy to win over right leaning independents. Sure worked wonders in the 2022 elections.
If thats your definition of debatable then everything is debatable. There are dumb people that argue the earth is flat. Doesn’t mean the earth being flat is actually debatable.
The prosecution even admitted they couldn't find a victim for the case.
Well, I suppose we could consider it "not debatable" because the legal system has been unequivocal about considering it illegal, which is why some people might consider you just an irrelevant crank. But I'm actually giving you and people like you the benefit of the doubt.
because the legal system has been unequivocal about considering it illegal
I'm sure you can sight the long list of judicial prosecutions over memes. Or is it you just blindly trust government to always act morally?
I won't give you the benefit of the doubt. You seem to be applauding these charges. Are you a flat earther? You seem to have gotten upset after that comment.
I don't "blindly trust" anybody. I simply stated the fact that this issue is "debatable", meaning that average Americans can be found on both sides of the issue.
I certainly don't give you the benefit of the doubt: you prove time and again that you are an opinionated moron.
And you were correctly called a retard, since you can dredge up somebody to take the opposition side on any debate, including 9/11 truther conspiracies, the existence of Big Foot, the earth being flat, Tartaria, etc. You then further beclowned yourself by stating that, in fact, you were wrong to even call it debatable, because "the legal system has been unequivocal about considering it illegal" which is not only patently incorrect (see the cited case right in the fucking article where the exact same behavior was not considered illegal), but also a great demonstration that you're a servile, pathetic bootlicking Nazi faggot, as if government could, by decree, end legitimate debate on any and every subject simply by dictating the outcome. Since you like to LARP as an immigrant, maybe you should go re-read some of those citizenship exam materials about the founding of this country. You might be surprised to learn that gargling the balls of petty dictators isn't really something that was valued by the people who killed and died to establish this republic so that servile faggot pieces of shit like you could turn it into an autocracy in a couple of centuries.
Me: "There are people on both sides of this debate."
You: "you’re a servile, pathetic bootlicking Nazi faggot"
Thanks for the demonstration of what "libertarians" are all about these days.
It is "pieces of shit like you" that are turning this country "into an autocracy in a couple of centuries", because you are incapable of making an argument for liberty.
You: "There are people on both sides of this debate."
Everybody else: "What's your point, there are people on both sides of the debate over whether the earth is 5,000 years old or human beings landed on the moon in 1969."
You: "Well actually it's not debatable, because the government said so."
Every body else: "No, you bootlicking Nazi faggot, that's not how debates or governments work."
If you're going to be a servile bootlicking Nazi faggot, try to at least not add "lying piece of shit" to the mix, especially when your retarded mental diarrhea is committed to text permanently less than 100 pixels of screen space above where you try to lie about what you said, bootlicking Nazi faggot.
People like this are the reason I won't vote for trump. Under any circumstance. Trump isn't that bad all things considered, but his die hard fanatics are just as bad as anyone on the left.
Wow, the hate you received for saying something that is clearly debatable is debatable is amazing. Especially in a comment section of an article where people are debating the issue.
It's actually kind of funny.
Whether "night" should be called "day" is debatable, ass is just about anything else! So twat?
He actually argued that it both is and isn't debatable, because the government says so. On a website where at least a few people, excepting the retarded bootlicking Nazi faggots like yourself, at least pretend to care about individual rights and liberty.
"Well, I suppose we could consider it “not debatable” because the legal system has been unequivocal about considering it illegal"
...explains the prosecution of Kristina Wong...
They're not people.
“Since he was convicted by a jury, it is obviously debatable and lots of people reach different conclusions from you.”
And... "How about we leave that up to juries to decide whether the behavior crosses the line from free speech to election interference?"
What is this “power to the people”-style talk of letting a JURY (of our peers) make hopefully nuanced and data-driven decisions? What are ye, some sort of COMMUNIST? Only the EXPERTS (of Trumpalooism, like Der JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer, for a PRIME example) are qualified to make these kinds of decisions!
/Sarc… I’m sorry that such a label seems to be needed…
The thing is that this was a meme before he posted it, mostly being spread by Democrats.
Here's an example of Democrat Kristina Wong doing the exact same post in 2016: https://twitter.com/gregg_re/status/1714769442054222306
Kristina didn't get arrested and her post is still up just like the hundreds of other Democrats that did it first.
Waiting for shrike to say she should be convicted as well.
How about we leave that up to juries to decide whether the behavior crosses the line from free speech to election interference?
Holy fuck, you really are a statist aren't you?
Juries are not always correct. I hope you've never argued against any conviction in the history of the US ever. Or else you'd look like a hypocrite.
Why the fuck do you think appeals courts exist retard?
Why wasn’t Wong put in front if a jury?
He apparently thinks speech is bad and laws that can be used to suppress it are good. As long as a jury says so, everything is perfectly okay. No jury has ever been wrong. Let's abolish appeals courts while we are at it.
His argument is infantile.
No JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer has ever been wrong. Let’s abolish ALL rights of ALL humanoids and other life-forms while we are at it (except for JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer's rights. Every tyrant who has ever lived, has favored freedom... For the tyrant!).
JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer's arguments are infantile, power-hungry EVIL lies!
No. I merely think that we live in a non-libertarian constitutional Republic where what you can and cannot say is determined by the Constitution, the law and precedent, not by a bunch of raving lunatics on Reason.
I have not stated my personal preferences for what ought to be allowed in terms of speech at all, much as halfwits like you keep hallucinating such opinions.
Likely because prosecutors are biased in favor of progressives and against Trump. Why do you ask?
He probably wanted to make sure it was clear that you're a hypocrite as well as a retarded bootlicking servile Nazi faggot.
Well, I am a faggot. I'm not into bootlicking. And my IQ is likely a lot higher than yours.
If your IQ wasn't room temperature, you would see that I have actually not stated any preference for what free speech ought to be like. I have simply pointed out how things work in the very non-libertarian constitutional Republic that we actually live in.
Here in the real world, there are significant limits on speech, and also our political class engages in selective prosecutions.
If the libertarian movement wasn't filled with raving lunatics like you, libertarians might actually be able to improve this situation. But if your first reaction to anybody who points out the status quo is that they are a "retarded bootlicking servile Nazi faggot", people just won't take you seriously.
You're a joke, along with about 95% of the LP and self-identified libertarians.
"Why wasn’t Wong put in front if a jury?"
I checked it out, see https://voz.us/influencer-douglass-mackey-sentenced-to-prison-for-electoral-interference-for-making-memes-about-hillary-clinton/?lang=en … This is an ENORMOUS difference here, between the fraudster and the humorist (Wong). Wong gave and invalid link indeed! From the above link… “This is the case of actress Kristina Wong, who with her publications also encouraged the Republican’s followers to vote for him through text messages and an invalid link.” Her joke leads NOWHERE, unlike the case with the fraudster! All of the drooling Trumpaloos here are WRONG here, and I am disgusted with the dishonesty of hack-writer Billy Binion here ass well, for not telling the WHOLE truth!
The number that this guy gave out wasn't a real number either, sarcasmic, you drunken fucking retard. Mostly on account of there's no possible way to set up a legitimate phone number to text in a vote, since that's not how voting works. Next time you need to try to draw a false distinction, leave it to the pedophile. You're both sub-average, but he's still got you beat by probably about 30 IQ points.
Tulpa, you stupid LIAR! From the article:
"Avoid the line. Vote from Home" and "Text 'Hillary' to 59925." At least 4,900 people texted that number, according to the DOJ."
HOW can you count 4,900 texts "sent" to a link or destination THAT IS NOT FUNCTIONAL? Your BRAIN needs to become functional!
"Mostly on account of there’s no possible way to set up a legitimate phone number to text in a vote, since that’s not how voting works."
No, you moron, it is NOT possible to vote that way, but does everyone know that? SOME of them are ass STUPID ass YOU, asshole! It IS possible to set up a legitimate phone number to text to, and then LIE about what your text has just done! Just how stupid ARE you, you EVIL liar?
Presumably it was a non-working phone number. It would take 2 seconds for anyone with a phone that can receive text messages to verify that fact.
Or how about we not bring charges to juries over blatantly unconstitutional laws that violate the first amendment, you bootlicking servile Nazi faggot?
“How about we leave that up to juries to decide whether the behavior crosses the line from free speech to election interference?”
What is this “power to the people”-style talk of letting a JURY (of our peers) make hopefully nuanced and data-driven decisions? What are ye, some sort of COMMUNIST? Only the EXPERTS (of Trumpalooism, like Der JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer, for a PRIME example) are qualified to make these kinds of decisions!
/Sarc… I’m sorry that such a label seems to be needed…
No need to sign your posts, sarcasmic. You've already outed this sock dozens of times.
How about no?
I don’t know what to tell you if a citizen is too fucking stupid to know you can’t vote by text like it’s American Idol, but that doesn’t rise to the level of election interference in any sane universe.
You should be tarred and feathered...
Democrats get away with a lot of illegal behavior. That doesn't make the behavior legal.
Here’s the weird thing about libertarians… they don’t think Democrats should be arrested over memes either.
But justify this however you want. Makes you look bad, but that’s your choice.
It's amazing that you think supporting the consistent application of blatantly unconstitutional laws that violate the first amendment makes you seem like less of a servile bootlicking Nazi piece of shit. The problem here isn't just the unequal application of the law.
"Democrats get away with a lot of illegal behavior. That doesn’t make the behavior legal."
But I don't think Kristina or any of the Democrats who did it first did anything illegal or even wrong. In fact it was funny and anyone dumb enough to fall for that shouldn't be voting.
The only thing wrong that happened here was a fascist prosecutor decided to do some good old fashioned political persecution against a cultural enemy.
Shorter Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB: "Juries of your peers can't be trusted to tell bullshit from non-bullshit. Only I, the GIANT WISE BOOB, can be trusted with THAT much power! And I don't even need to sit through hearing the case, in order to decide! THAT is how WISE I am!"
Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB in actual practice: If an actor or actress was making a MOVIE about voter fraud, and everyone understood that it was a fictional MOVIE, Our Favorite GIANT BOOB would first determine what POLITICAL PARTY the actor or actress belongs to, and THEN convict or not convict, accordingly!
No, they can’t be trusted for shit half the time. Seriously, have you seen how many people have been released because they were wrongly convicted?
And the government can’t be trusted for shit nearly 100% of the time. Unless they’re going after that Bad Orange Man.
Oh, and way to ignore ML’s entire paragraph about how NO ONE should be getting prosecuted for something like this. Really drives home the fact you’re in no way a libertarian.
"...NO ONE should be getting prosecuted for something like this."
Even if the fraudster sets up an official-looking "voting station" with signs and booths and gizmos, and assures the lied-to "voters" that their votes are being counted? THE DETAILS MATTER, hello?!? The jury heard the case! You and Mammary-Farter did NOT hear the case! A little HUMILITY goes a LONG way!
Good point, sarcasmic. Under a completely different counterfactual set of conditions where fraud actually took place, fraud charges might actually be appropriate. Now let's see if you can watch an episode of Sesame Street and sing along to the One Of These Things Is Not Like The Other Song before losing your train of thought at the first sight of an underage child and dropping trou.
THE DETAILS MATTER, hello?!? The jury heard the case! You and Mammary-Farter did NOT hear the case! A little HUMILITY goes a LONG way!
Details like REAL v/s FAKE numbers given, to send the texts to, are ALSO details that matter, LYING evil asshole!
"Here’s an example of Democrat Kristina Wong doing the exact same post in 2016:" says Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB, making a dishonest comparison! DISHONESTY from Mother's Lament, with a head full of cement! TWAT a surprise!
I checked it out, see https://voz.us/influencer-douglass-mackey-sentenced-to-prison-for-electoral-interference-for-making-memes-about-hillary-clinton/?lang=en … This is an ENORMOUS difference here, between the fraudster and the humorist (Wong). Wong gave and invalid link indeed! From the above link… “This is the case of actress Kristina Wong, who with her publications also encouraged the Republican’s followers to vote for him through text messages and an invalid link.” Her joke leads NOWHERE, unlike the case with the fraudster! All of the drooling Trumpaloos here are WRONG here, and I am disgusted with the dishonesty of hack-writer Billy Binion here ass well, for not telling the WHOLE truth!
You should keep posting this, sarcasmic. It gets less retarded with repetition.
Tulpa, I sure wish that YOU would become less retarded!
'Donald Trump's case raised questions about free speech, overcriminalization, and a politicized criminal legal system.'
Mackey ain't alone.
There is not “I was joking” exception to criminal law. The play the stupid game of trying to be cute and hoping he would fool some people. And his stupid prize is prison. We need to have no tolerance for people messing with other peoples right to vote.
Well, there is actually, shreek, it's called "parody" and it's been an accepted defense for, oh, only about 275 years. In this case there doesn't need to be any exception to criminal law in the first place since this is an invented crime.
Yup. It's exquisitely fascist to sentence someone to prison for parody, and exquisitely dishonest (or retarded) to claim that parody isn't a legitimate defense.
I don't call these posters "Nazis" without cause and as we can see from Sqrlsy and Molly's posts it's not hyperbole either.
HOW ABOUT LETTING THE JURY hear ALL of the facts, and letting THEM decide what is parody, and twat is fraud?
Shorter Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB: “Juries of your peers can’t be trusted to tell bullshit from non-bullshit. Only I, the GIANT WISE BOOB, can be trusted with THAT much power! And I don’t even need to sit through hearing the case, in order to decide! THAT is how WISE I am!”
Mammary-Farter the GIANT BOOB in actual practice: If an actor or actress was making a MOVIE about voter fraud, and everyone understood that it was a fictional MOVIE, Our Favorite GIANT BOOB would first determine what POLITICAL PARTY the actor or actress belongs to, and THEN convict or not convict, accordingly!
Yes we know. It's "parody" when your team does it, but it's "fraud" when their team does it.
You might have had a point if ML hadn’t stated multiple times that neither of the people whose posts were mentioned in the article should have been charged at all.
Glad to see you’re still as tribalism and collectivist as ever.
Thanks MollyGodiva, for your (one of a few) voices of sanity and reason in this Roman Wilderness of Pains-in-the-Asses, unreasoning Trumpaloos!
Hahahahahahahahaha
That’s snark right? Right?
Nope. sarcasmic rounded the bend and decided to throw in with shreek the pedophile quite some time ago.
Are you fucking kidding me? He's going to prison for sending a dumb joke. That seems OK to you?
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1715485081643393503?t=xrR1U3nt62e6ug09XylneQ&s=19
COURT DOCUMENTS: Medical examiner admitted that there were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation in relation to Floyd, prosecutors forced to charge Chauvin anyway
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Given the news that medical examiners found no evidence of life-threatening injuries on George Floyd (floating around today), I will RT this thread. Derek Chauvin is victim of naked political prosecution:
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Yep. The details revealed before and during the trial flipped me from advocating for vigilante justice to thinking an involuntary manslughter charge might be excessive. It is really difficult to see the world operate in a manner that people invert truth and logic while others nod their heads and call it right.
They lynched an officer to inflame a mob to attempt to influence an election. Perhaps using the Democrat's own rules and playbook these prosecutors should be arrested for electoral interference.
Had Mr. Mackey used a scheme to try scam people out of money we would have no problem with a prison sentence. We would not suggest the people he scammed should not be so foolish as to believe him. He tried to scam people out of their vote. You cannot scream about the sacredness of the vote and need to protect it and say these scams are okay. In this country we prosecute people for unintended errors when voting. People though found out that their felony conviction still invalidated their voting. People who used a PO Box as an address not realizing it is illegal. If we can charge and imprison these people, I have no problem with Douglass Mackey's conviction.
Show the list of victims.
Hey drooling moron…
Tomorrow a snake-oil sales-liar sells a ton of poisoned snake oil to 4,500 people, and he gets busted RIGHT before ANYONE takes a drink of said poison! In Brainless Shithead-land… Does snake oil sales-liar get off SCOTT FREE, ’cause no one was harmed? There was no “actual victim”? Their wasted money is of no importance, as long as no one got sick or died? Just HOW evil and STUPID are YOU, self-righteous Slave to the Evil One?
Show the list of victims in the above case! None? Fraudster should walk free, then, evil asshole?
Bad comparison.
"Show the list of victims in the above case! None? Fraudster should walk free, then, evil asshole?"
Think about what you just wrote you drooling retarded. How is something fraud if nobody was defrauded?
Can you can charge rape if nobody was sexually assaulted? Can you charge murder if nobody was killed? Can you charge theft if nothing was stolen?
So I can shoot 20 or 30 bullets all around Your Perfectly Sorry Ass and GIANT BOOB, and if all of them miss... It's all OK! It's all in good, clean fun!
Ever hear of the ACTUAL CRIME of "attempted murder", Perfectly Thick-Headed Wonder BOOB? Should tit be taken OFF of the books? Shall we all be NAKED in the face of murder attempts, Perfect BOOB? No BODILY harm, no foul! (Now THAT is a FOUL idea, Foul-Boobed Wonder Child!)
Should attempted fraud be CELEBRATED? Can You Perfectly PROVE that NO ONE was fooled into not casting their REAL votes? Why should the burden of proof go to the defrauded or potentially defrauded, and not to the LYING fraudster?
You can be charged with attempted rape, attempted murder and with attempting to rob. You do not have to complete a crime to be charged for that crime.
No, but you do have to actually attempt an actual crime, shreek. Like the time you posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and got your Sarah Palin's Buttplug handle banned. Also irrelevant since attempted fraud is not what Mackey was charged with.
The victims here would be no different than the victims of a financial crime. Your suggestion is that a person's vote has no value to the person. If that is true, then why the efforts to ensure that voting is fair and legal. What difference does it make if a person at the polls shows an ID if that vote is of no value?
No one's vote was stolen from them, shreek. Every one of those retarded sacks of shit who was otherwise eligible to vote was completely at liberty to do so after they texted a random number they saw in an internet meme. In order to have been defrauded you actually have to have lost something. And, again, that's not even the crime Mackey was charged with. Stick to the PDF, there's a reason they have people with 3 digit IQs write this shit for you before you go shitting it out all over Reason.com with your 20+ sockpuppets.
We've been told that requiring ID to vote is racist.
When Wong gets prosecuted, I'll take this as a misguided attempt at justice.
Since that ain't happening, this is just fascism.
"Had Mr. Mackey used a scheme to try scam people out of money we would have no problem with a prison sentence."
If he had used a gun to shoot somebody, same.
Not sure what good hypotheticals are in a real case, but they don't seem terribly useful.
"We would not suggest the people he scammed should not be so foolish as to believe him. He tried to scam people out of their vote."
Claim presented sans evidence.
"In this country we prosecute people for unintended errors when voting. People though found out that their felony conviction still invalidated their voting. People who used a PO Box as an address not realizing it is illegal. If we can charge and imprison these people, I have no problem with Douglass Mackey’s conviction."
Are you aware the form to register specifies all of those are specifically illegal, right?
"Are you aware the form to register specifies all of those are specifically illegal, right?"
Does the form specify this? Or is that information in additional documentation that the person registering may or may not have access to and have read. The fact is that some of the laws regarding ex-felons voting are different and complex.
They have access to it.
Did they read it? That'd be their problem, no?
Reminds me, I need to have my “Jury Nullification: it’s an American Thang” T shirt made for the next time I have jury duty
So one of girl-bullier Bunion's bigoty boys got busted on a law from 3 years before the Colfax massacre and Comstock law! The Comstock law making natural birth control messages a chain-gang and enslaving fine so wrecked support for Republican book-burners that they got the Supreme Court to strike out female suffrage from the 14th, 15th Amendments to keep the 13th from releasing women from slavery as breeder dams. The schadenfreude and karmic rightness of these fascisti falling into their own traps is delightful! Haw Haw!
"from releasing women from slavery as breeder dams"
When did that ever happen, you old psychopath.
Trump was never charged for his cunning plan to persuade Biden fans that their ear trumpets were part of the internet of things, and could be turned around and used as megaphones to instruct voting machines.
You have yet to be charged with being a fucking worthless piece of shit.
Until now.
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
Danny Elfman getting #MeToo'd.
Burn baby burn.
From what I’ve ready pretty par for the course #metoo (“he took advantage of his male privileges and power and beat off in front of me while we were dating, and it made me uncomfortable blah blah blah”) from a couple gold diggers. But the dumb fucker did fall behind on one of his NDA payments.
Looks like he really took Wily Wonka to heart from recent pics:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-10-20/danny-elfman-is-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-a-second-woman-alleging-abuse-when-she-was-a-young-composer
Well he did write "I love little girls" with Oingo Boingo so it's kinda a no brainer.
So much for “Nothing Bad Ever Happens to Me”
https://youtu.be/qpjHW4mr6qo?si=AyGWBfJC2a2M1inz
My dear American friends, this is indeed just the beginnings. The EU is coming for you. The Globalists, the Old World, and the Iews are coming for the revolution. The revolution is going to jail, my friends. No more free speech, no more rights, no more mob rule. Always take comfort in the fact that we in Germany, Russia, and China know all about socialism dictatorship, and that we are finally happy to share our views and histories. Take care!
"...The Globalists, the Old World, and the Iews are coming for the revolution..."
Anti-Semitic scum always try to find a fig leaf to hide behind.
Fuck off and die, Nazi.
It's already here in America. The WEF has boasted they have infiltrated every government in the west including ours. The WEF now controls America. They have people inside the white House in state governments ie: Newsom and Whitmer. They have them in advisory positions. The WEF is now in control.
Soon, you will be eating ze bugs and living in a fifteen minute city.
Should people who think they can vote by phone really be voting anyway?
Absolutely not.
And what is so unreasonable about the idea?
Did the prosecution demonstrate that anyone was actually fooled by this? That's the sticking point for me.
The site did get 4900 texts.
From people who were confused and not just fans of his?
Shorter damikesc: I will defend anything my tribe does even if it is illegal
Because people who are fans of somebody won't try and follow a link from them?
That hard to grasp?
If you're stupid enough to think you can simply text your vote in, then you shouldn't be voting in the first place.
Why? Having vote-by-text would probably be more secure than vote-by-mail; after all, phone companies have a much better idea of who their customers are, where they are, and how often they have texted. They also keep much better records than the government for auditing.
Meanwhile, no jail time for the antifa who were violently assaulting conservatives in countless videos during the 2016 election cycle and in the 2020 election cycle. Meanwhile, absolutely no jail time for the Democrats who did the exact same thing as this guy (Hippocrates!). Meanwhile, it’s a politically weaponizing two-tiered justice system.
No jail time for the BLM fraudsters who used all that billions in donations to buy expensive mansions, then urged their people to rampage through every city causing nearly $2 billion in damage and destruction.
How many went to jail? How many ANTIFA went to jail?
Binion misses the substance of the issue here.
The real problem here was that Douglass Mackey stole the imagery and IP of the Clinton campaign to make it seem like his "meme" was an official statement of the Clinton campaign.
Wong did none of those things. Her video was just her wearing a Trump hat claiming that one could vote by text. It was a false statement but it did not have the level of deception that Mackey's "meme" had.
If Wong had posted a "meme" in which she stole the imagery and IP of the Trump campaign, to make it seem like it was an official announcement from the Trump campaign that one could vote by text, then the comparison between Mackey and Wong would be a better one.
The key issue here which makes Mackey's conduct different than a random social media user posting a garden-variety meme, was the level of fraud and deception that he employed with his scheme.
If you read the actual indictment against him, you'd also realize that Mackey had been planning this particular scheme for months. He chatted with his conspirators about how to depress the Black vote and deny them the opportunity to vote for Clinton.
If you think Mackey's "meme" is protected speech, then you must also conclude that it should be protected speech for I or anyone else to steal Trump's iconography and IP from his campaign, create a meme attributing a false statement or position to him, and post it widely over social media in a manner that makes it appear to be an official announcement from the Trump campaign. If you think that is protected speech, then you must also think that libel and defamation, let alone fraud, should be legal.
We had Democrats paying for a dossier then undergoing a laughably long investigation based on it. They interfered in his admin with a lie they paid for.
You are really, really bad at this.
I'll take "non-sequitur" for $200, Alex
Do you not read your own posts?
"If you think Mackey’s “meme” is protected speech, then you must also conclude that it should be protected speech for I or anyone else to steal Trump’s iconography and IP from his campaign, create a meme attributing a false statement or position to him, and post it widely over social media in a manner that makes it appear to be an official announcement from the Trump campaign. If you think that is protected speech, then you must also think that libel and defamation, let alone fraud, should be legal."
YOU initiated hypotheticals. I decided to respond to your inane hypothetical with an actual incident.
It is a logical deduction. If you think Mackey’s meme is protected speech, then it must necessarily follow that you think fraud and libel are protected speech. It is that simple.
But this whole discussion with you is irrelevant, isn't it? You'll support anything that attacks the other tribe and defends your tribe even if it doesn't have a principled basis.
And your response is still a non-sequitur. Why don't you actually try to defend Mackey's fraud and libel as protected speech on its own merits? Can you ?
Because parody is obviously protected.
Sorry if you were fooled by it, but I would avoid admitting that.
How about bears in trunks stealing votes?
Learn what fair use means.
As suspected, parody is lost on chemjeff.
Yes we know. When your team does it, it's "parody". When their team does it, it's a moral outrage and probably illegal.
..."my team" has people in prison.
"Your team" decides to not prosecute "their own team".
Yup, same thing.
Democrats have a long history of two-tiered justice systems.
My team believes that fraud and libel should be crimes regardless of who commits them.
Your team thinks that fraud and libel are only crimes when they are applied to the other team.
That's the difference here.
LOL, this coming from the same fat fuck who whined when his lefty boos at Oberlin got clapped with a massive penalty for defamation of Gibson's Bakery, then tried to run cover for the professors and college administrators who participated in it.
If the goal was to actually deceive people into thinking they voted when they didn't, that falls under speech integral to criminal conduct (here, fraud) exception to First Amendment, no? If the goal was satire honestly not meant to get people to throw away votes, then it's protected speech, but that seems a hard sell in this case.
His entire thing is parody.
Board the train!!!!
The Nazi-left is starting it's predictable history in sending the 'Jews' off to their labor camps.
Why is the left the Nazi's in the USA? Because they are the same one's who violate the USA (by it's very definition; US Constitution) and advance the political ideology of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
The lefts praised governing ideology is exactly the spelled out abbreviated name the Germans founded the word Nazi on.
- Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party
- Nazism, or National Socialism
- Nazi Party, political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism
- National Socialist German Workers' Party); it soon became popularly known as the Nazi party, and its followers were called Nazis.
In every Encyclopedia and Dictionary ever written.
Our county's judicial system is not as good or accurate as the citizenry have been lead to believe. Isn't that misleading the public? Have you ever heard of a judge, prosecutor, cop, or politician being charge with contempt of the citizenry? Outside of the military dollars spent for defense, the amount spent in defense of the citizenry is peanuts compared to what is spent in law enforcement, prosecution, and judiciary, all acting against us (while saying they are protecting our freedom). The biggest threat to American freedom is not Russia, China, NK, terrorists, or any of those. It is American government placing its own interests ahead of us.
He should have said to send a nude selfie to #HILLARY 2016 or whatever the number was, so it was more obviously a joke, but there probably would still be a few who did that
Is the government requiring a nude selfie to vote by phone really out of the question at this point?
Any person so stupid to fall for a prank like this is the exact person who should not be voting. Stupid people vote for stupid politicians who give us stupid legislation. We have far too many stupid politicians, such as Jayapal, AOC, Tlaib, Ilhan, Bowman.
Why trash scumbag lists only POCs, and doesn’t mention Qbert, or that kuhnt Empty G
Bath house Barry Soetoro promised to radically alter America after being elected president and he has done just that. Opposition is being railroaded into prison. Anyone who dares oppose their policies is "investigated" soon the show trials and then come the summary executions. Anyone who finds voter fraud is arrested and charged. The media, owned and run by the Chews is fully behind all this. After all Marxism is a Chewish construct.
The democrat party operates on rules from Saul Alinsky's book, "Rules For Radicals" to the letter.
Why trash scumbag made a funny with Bathouse Barry. A black man being prez really broke your why trash mind dinnit? Lol
Isn’t it federal election law that candidates and organizations (political PACs) must disclose who paid for any political ad? For example: “Ad paid for by Hillary Clinton”.
Also in the above case, doesn’t Hillary Clinton own her own trademark, using her own name? Also a federal crime.