Hunter Biden's Multiplying Gun Charges Threaten the Right to Arms and the Right to Trial
The collapse of his plea deal set up a clash with his father, who doggedly defends the firearm regulations his son violated.

The new federal gun charges against Hunter Biden set up a constitutional challenge that will pit him against his father, who has steadfastly defended the firearm regulations that his son violated. Several federal courts have deemed the federal ban on gun possession by illegal drug users inconsistent with the Second Amendment, and the president's son is likely to challenge the case against him on the same grounds.
The indictment that David Weiss, the U.S. attorney for Delaware, unveiled last Thursday also vividly illustrates the penalty that criminal defendants pay for insisting on their Sixth Amendment right to a trial by jury. And it provides a window into the wildly uneven enforcement of federal gun laws that prescribe draconian penalties for conduct that violates no one's rights.
Biden, by his own admission, was a crack cocaine user when he bought a Colt Cobra .38 Special from StarQuest Shooters, a Wilmington, Delaware, gun store, in 2018. He originally was charged with violating 18 USC 922(g)(3), which makes it a felony for an "unlawful user" of a controlled substance to receive or possess a firearm. That crime was punishable by up to 10 years in prison at the time of Biden's gun purchase, and a bill his father signed last year raised the maximum penalty to 15 years. But under an agreement that fell apart in July, Biden would have avoided prosecution on that charge if he successfully completed a two-year pretrial diversion program and permanently surrendered his Second Amendment rights.
The diversion agreement was paired with a plea deal involving two misdemeanor charges for willfully failing to pay income taxes. Under that deal, Biden would have pleaded guilty, while the Justice Department would have recommended probation. But it became clear at a July 26 hearing that Weiss disagreed with Biden's lawyers about the scope of the immunity promised by the diversion agreement. In addition to highlighting that disagreement, U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika raised concerns about two highly unusual aspects of the diversion agreement that seemed designed to protect Biden from the consequences of a Republican victory in next year's presidential election.
Noreika wondered why the immunity provision was included in the diversion agreement, which ostensibly was not subject to her approval, rather than the plea deal, which was. She also objected to a provision that charged her, rather than the Justice Department, with deciding whether Biden had complied with the diversion agreement, which she said raised separation-of-powers issues by requiring her to exercise a prosecutorial function. Both provisions would have been important for Biden in the event that his father lost reelection, since they would have made it harder for a Republican-controlled Justice Department to pursue additional charges against Biden, possibly including illegal lobbying as well as gun and tax offenses.
Noreika instructed Weiss and Biden's lawyers to hammer out a clearer, less legally problematic deal. When those negotiations failed, Weiss, who was appointed as a special counsel charged with investigating Biden in August, indicated that he planned to try the president's son on the tax charges in California or the District of Columbia, which he said were more appropriate venues for that case. But the gun case remained in Delaware, since that is where Biden bought the revolver, and the charges multiplied, as often happens when a defendant declines to plead guilty.
In addition to illegal possession of a firearm, Biden now faces two overlapping counts related to the gun purchase. One alleges a violation of 18 USC 922(a)(6), which applies to someone who knowingly makes a false statement in connection with a firearm transaction. Biden did that by checking "no" in response to a question on Form 4473, which is required for gun purchases from federally licensed dealers: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?" That check mark was a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
The other new charge against Biden involves 924(a)(1)(A), which applies to someone who "knowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information" that a federally licensed dealer is required to record. That charge, which is punishable by up to five years in prison, is based on the same lie on the same form. Although the Justice Department concedes that "there is considerable overlap in the conduct covered" by this provision and the conduct covered by 18 USC 922(a)(6), that did not stop Weiss from pursuing both charges.
In short, Weiss, who originally thought Biden's gun purchase did not require prosecution, let alone a prison sentence, is now charging him with three crimes stemming from the transaction, which carry a combined maximum penalty of 25 years in prison. In the span of less than two months, Weiss went from zero to 25. Even allowing for the fact that sentences for gun crimes typically fall far short of the statutory maximum, that is a pretty striking escalation. It cannot possibly be justified by the gravity of Biden's conduct, which harmed no one. Rather, the dramatic increase in Biden's legal peril looks like retaliation for his decision to fight the gun charge.
That sort of "trial penalty" is par for the course in a criminal justice system where prosecutors wield tremendous power to coerce guilty pleas by threatening to pile on charges and/or seek stiffer punishment if a defendant has the audacity to make the government prove its case. As David McGarry noted in a Reason article last March, 98 percent of federal convictions and 95 percent of state convictions are based on guilty pleas. McGarry cited an American Bar Association (ABA) report that helps explain why defendants rarely exercise their Sixth Amendment rights.
In federal felony cases, the ABA found, the average sentence for defendants who go to trial is seven years longer than the average sentence for defendants who plead guilty. "Although a modest reduction in sentence is justified in some cases resolved through guilty pleas because a defendant accepts responsibility," the ABA said, "sentences should not be punitively inflated simply because a defendant exercised a fundamental right."
That is precisely what seems to be happening in Biden's case. Nor is the disparity between what Weiss thought was appropriate in July and what he now claims to think is appropriate the only reason to question the justice of threatening "prohibited persons" with prison for possessing firearms.
Survey data suggest that millions of gun owners are guilty of violating 18 USC 922(g)(3) because they consume arbitrarily proscribed intoxicants (mainly marijuana). Yet fewer than 150 Americans are prosecuted for that crime each year. Even when gun buyers (including people who are disqualified for other reasons, such as felony records) are caught lying on Form 4473, they are rarely prosecuted.
In FY 2017, according to a 2018 report from the Government Accountability Office, federal background checks "resulted in about 112,000 denied transactions." The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) "referred about 12,700" of those cases for "further investigation" by its field offices. Yet as of June 2018, the Justice Department had prosecuted just 12 of those cases, which represents about 0.01 percent of the blocked transactions and 0.09 percent of the cases investigated by the ATF.
Even if you include people whose misrepresentations are discovered after they buy firearms, violations of 18 USC 922(a)(6) account for a tiny fraction of all federal gun cases. From FY 2013 through FY 2017, for example, that was the lead charge in 533 cases, which represented just 1.5 percent of total federal firearm charges. By comparison, 75 percent of the cases during that period involved people who were charged with illegal gun possession because they had criminal records that barred them from owning firearms.
These numbers show that people who do what Biden did almost never face prosecution. That is largely because gun-owning drug users typically are not identified as such, but it is also because federal prosecutors do not prioritize such cases. And although Biden's original arrangement with Weiss prompted much criticism from Republicans who complained that he was benefiting from political favoritism, his current situation suggests that Weiss is keen to rebut that allegation by throwing the book at Biden.
Biden probably will not make much headway by arguing that he has been unfairly singled out for especially harsh treatment. Nor can he credibly claim that he is not guilty of the three charges in the indictment. But the constitutional argument that his lawyers have indicated they plan to pursue is much more promising.
Under the Supreme Court's ruling in the 2022 case New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, gun restrictions must be "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation." At least two federal judges have concluded that 18 USC 922(g)(3) fails that test. Last month, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit agreed with that assessment, overturning the conviction of a Mississippi man who was caught with two guns and the remains of several joints during a routine traffic stop.
Those courts rejected the Biden administration's defense of 18 USC 922(g)(3), which relied mainly on a transparently faulty analogy between the current blanket ban on gun possession by drug users and early laws aimed at people who publicly carried or fired guns while intoxicated. Although President Joe Biden says marijuana use should not be treated as a crime, he still thinks it is serious enough to justify the loss of Second Amendment rights. According to the government's lawyers, cannabis consumers and other illegal drug users are so dangerous that they cannot be trusted with firearms—so dangerous, in fact, that they deserve to be imprisoned if they flout that policy.
The president's commitment to that position pits him against his own son, whose continued freedom may depend on his ability to persuade the courts that his father is wrong about the constitutionality of a policy that arbitrarily deprives millions of Americans of the right to armed self-defense. This clash also puts conservative supporters of that right in an awkward position. As much as they might loathe Hunter Biden, Republicans who take the Second Amendment seriously may have cause to thank him for helping to dismantle restrictions that undermine the freedom it guarantees.
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Like nobody else was ever facing similar charges.
Yeah. "I Am A Paid Shill." would've been shorter.
He shills for free for the corrupt Biden’s.
Nothing on Biden’s email aliases. Nothing on Biden’s bank records.
Nothing on Biden’s shell companies.
Just poor Joe and Hunter pitted against each other because Joe loves unconstitional laws and executive orders and Hunter’s a crack smoking felon with a gun.
These numbers show that people who do what Biden did almost never face prosecution.
Most people who do what Hunter Biden did also don't publish books about it, either. So maybe the situation isn't quite as analogous as Jake is making it out to be.
Now you're "punishing him for speech"... Classic!
Publicly admitting to crimes tends to get normal citizens in trouble.
his own son, whose continued freedom may depend on his ability to persuade the courts that his father is wrong about the constitutionality of a policy that arbitrarily deprives millions of Americans of the right to armed self-defense
Well, Joe openly acknowledges that policies he promotes and enacts are unconstitutional and does them anyway. Shouldn't be a hard case to make.
Hunter is the victim here. I mean he only got off on tax fraud, FARA, and any other charge that can link him to his father's bad business deals.
Sullum, stop falling for the political manipulation of the DoJ to protect Joe. I don't like these charges, but they are being done to keep his father safe.
Jacob isn't falling for anything, he's a DNC propagandist willingly and eagerly doing his master's bidding and lying for the cause. Baghdad Bob had more journalistic integrity than he has.
Agreed. Sullum isn't falling for shit. He knows exactly what he is doing.
I third it. The leaps in logic here..holy
"Hunter Biden's Multiplying Gun Charges Threaten the Right to Arms and the Right to Trial"
No they absolutely do the opposite. The best way to ensure authoritarians like Biden change their tune is for them to see their own flesh and blood caught up in the machinery of their own creation. This doesn't threaten our rights- it threatens the people who already deny our rights.
Yeah. But Sullum has built a career on missing the point.
They can't maintain their genteel attitude by arguing that.
They have cocktail parties to attend with people who hate them.
Except that it took too long. Biden has no idea what is going on.
Yes! Also, nothing would please me more than to see Hunter's gun charges fail a constitutional challenge. That would make us all more free, as well as force the congressional RINOs to confront Hunter's big guy-related dealings. At the moment, they are hiding behind the gun charge issue.
Exactly. Best outcome here is Hunter fighting this all the way to scotus and winning.
So you'll be contributing to his legal defense fund, I take it?
It's like all other questionable laws, like drugs. Somehow they never seem to apply to celebrities or politicians.
Maybe one actually facing charges will force changes to the laws
I've figured out a foolproof method for hiding my guns from the government.
I'm going to wrap my gun safe in the Epstein client list and they'll refuse to look at it.
My rifle identifies as a black trans walk stick from South America
Nice to see all the principled libertarians saying that, though they don't like the Biden family, the gun/drug laws Hunter is being charged with breaking are unjust. Glad people are putting principles ahead of political and personal animosity. So refreshing.
Only charge icky conservatives like non violent J6 rioters facing 20 years, leave Hunter and Joe alone!
Example. Sarc mocking a J6 prisoner for 5 years over a gun charge and feet on Pelosi desk.
https://reason.com/2022/04/13/bidens-plan-to-ease-gas-prices-will-save-drivers-a-few-cents-at-some-pumps-2-months-from-now/?comments=true#comment-9445165
No, that's me mocking your whataboutism.
Umm. Youre the first person on the thread in the link retard. And as I posted then stun guns are allowed in DC which is what he had.
You know people can click the link right?
You know we can all see most of your strawman are projections of your own actions right?
Oh I know people can click the link. Anyone with a half a brain (that excludes you, R Mac, Dlam and others) can see I'm mocking whataboutism, not the J6 people.
No you weren't. Holy fuck are you that delusional? You even defend your post multiple times before realizing how bad you looked retard.
Alcoholics delusion is something else.
I'll let people with functional brains, as in not you and your friends, decide.
Its okay sarc. No need to lash out. Everyone already knows you're a hypocrite looking to defend the Bidens at all cost.
You make me want to sing Summer Nights. "Tell me more, tell me more..."
People with functional brains have decided that you are a useful idiot to leftists.
Accurate.
People with functional brains have decided that you are a trolling piece of shit, Sarckles.
Chomp away, sonny boy...
Lefties caught in their hypocrisy always cry "whataboutism". How desperately inadequate.
As usual, I say something about A and you respond by expecting me to defend something I never said about B. In this case A is laws prohibiting drug users from owning guns, and B is the J6 prosecutions. Jesus H Christ on an e-bike you're tiresome.
Reality.
Sarc creates a strawman about others. I counter he he is a projecting hypocrite by showing his own hypocrisy. He cries he is a victim.
Lol.
Nothing in your statement was an idea or a discussion point retard.
Thinking about getting one of these.
https://ridejetson.com/products/bolt-pro-electric-bike-remanufactured
Figure it’s what Jesus in my previous comment might be riding.
Pretty good deal for something to use to draw circles on the beach.
The act of violently breaking into the seat of our Government, trespassing with intent on doing harm, occupying the building for an extended period of time, are not non-violent offenses. This ain't the local football teams field on a Friday night.
He doesn't see it that way.
And sarc shows his hypocrisy.
Out of the 1100 charged, under 300 committed any violence or vandalism.
It even included a 4 month charge for a grandmother with cancer. Lol.
And plan to commit violence?? 99% had no fucking weapons. Cops let people in on the eastern entrance. THERE are fucking videos. See Straka. Only the west had any violence.
Amazing watching you continue to defend this after making every excuse for BLM that included 2B in damages, arson, and 2 dozen deaths.
But you can't give up the leftist narrative. It justifies your hate of your enemies. Lol.
Listen dummy, they weren't taking a walk window shopping in an empty mall after closing time. I don't know what country you're from or where you live, but these actions are not tolerated in the good ol U S of A. Either smart up or stop fooling yourself for fear of your whole world crashing down upon you. It's for your own good.
Lol. Cop sucking much?
Oh. Youre a parody of sarc. Good one.
"Listen dummy, they weren’t taking a walk window shopping in an empty mall after closing time."
Actually that's exactly what most of them were doing.
Show me the ones caught on video calling for insurrection and breaking windows, and I'll show you someone who mysteriously enough wasn't charged and we're definitely not allowed to say they're FBI.
I'm just going to leave this one here.
Draw your own conclusions:
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot-secret-sentencing-3c4ffcc5ebeaff6fd6aa279d0ce888ad
And, for those who don’t want to click, here’s some tidbits:
“The fact that he also got sentenced, went to prison and is already out, that whole situation is just unusual,” Eliason said.
Lazar is among more than 1,100 defendants charged with federal crimes related to the Jan. 6 attack. Outside the Capitol that day, Lazar was carrying a bullhorn and wearing ski googles, a tactical vest with a radio attached and camouflage-style face paint.
Videos captured Lazar approaching police lines outside the Capitol and discharging an orange chemical irritant toward officers, an FBI agent said in a court filing. An officer’s body camera showed Lazar retreat down steps after police deployed a chemical at him. Lazar then turned and sprayed two officers, according to the agent.
Lazar shouted profane insults at police through the bullhorn, calling them tyrants and yelling, “Let’s get their guns!” Another video captured Lazar saying, “There’s a time for peace and there’s a time for war.”
and
Lazar, 37, of Ephrata, Pennsylvania, was arrested in July 2021 on charges that he came to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, dressed in tactical gear and protective goggles, and used chemical spray on officers who were desperately trying to beat back the angry Donald Trump supporters.
There is no public record of a conviction or a sentence in Lazar’s court docket. But the Bureau of Prisons told The Associated Press that the man was released from federal custody this week after completing a sentence for assaulting or resisting a federal officer. Lazar was sentenced in Washington’s federal court on March 17 to 30 months in prison, according to the Bureau of Prisons, but there’s no public record of such a hearing. He had been jailed since July 2021.
…
The Justice Department has refused to say why the case remains under wraps, and attorneys for Lazar did not respond to multiple requests for comment from The Associated Press. The judge overseeing Lazar’s case in May rejected a request from media outlets — including the AP — to release any sealed records that may exist.
This guy definitely was charged, and served more than two years in federal custody, so we know for damned sure he wasn't "FBI".
But, great "just asking questions" deflection!
The actual seizing of property by force and declaring that said property was no longer under U.S. jurisdiction did occur.
In Seattle. What were they charged with?
How many people went to prison for burning federal buildings?
How many people went to prison for declaring their own country CHOP in the middle of a city?
I mean the J6 was so violent they called in tanks and helicopters right? What about the army? I mean Congress was taken prisoner right?
Oh that's right none of that happened. Wow you are a parody.
"The act of violently breaking into the seat of our Government, trespassing with intent on doing harm, occupying the building for an extended period of time, are not non-violent offenses..."
^ Lying piles of TDS-addled lefty shit believe this.
How much did you get paid for this post?
What about those who did not enter the building or grounds at all? Is petitioning the government on public property also insurrection? You're on the wrong website; I think Kim Jong Un has an X feed, you should try that one.
That has what to do with drug users being charged with felonies for owning guns?
Where is the "principle" in desiring a world in which half the country is owned and run by the government and people are free to impose the costs and consequences of their actions on others?
The "principle" is that nobody deserves to be prosecuted for breaking unjust laws, no matter what family or political party they hail from.
Except your J6 enemies. Remember how you defended decades long sentences even for non violent j6 protestors. Or how you mock still the shooting of an unarmed woman. Good times.
Oh wait. You aren't actually principled. Disregard.
Ironically I even stated above I was against the gun charges. Weird.
No, actually. I don’t. As a matter of fact I said the sentences were excessive. Why don’t you try arguing with what I do say instead of stuff you make up?
By the way, thanks for another example of me talking about A, then you expecting me to defend something I didn't say about B.
Please stop. It's really old.
You want the link again? For a year you yelled to throw the book at then. Only after the 20th time of being told the charges were up to 20 years for disruption of congress did you even relent a tiny bit. Yet even above you are again defending the charges.
17 years with a terrorist enhancement for knocking over a fence? Lol.
Fucking statist bitch.
You really can't tell the difference between someone being serious and someone playing an over-the-top hyperbolic act? Were you raised by Vulcans (that assumes you're not bacteria that reproduces by fission)?
Before you click submit, read what you wrote. If the tone is "You said some something about this other thing, so that makes you a hypocrite," then you're talking about me, not the topic.
I want to talk about the topic. Not the people discussing it.
Your very first post here was about others, not an idea or the topic you ignorant retard. Lol.
No, it was about principles.
You wouldn't know a principle if it pissed on your head, you dishonest little troll.
>>The president's commitment to that position pits him against his own son
Return of the Jedi already did this 40 years ago
So does that mean Biden is going to return to the light and toss Obama in the reactor pit?
wonder if B can pick O up w/o them both falling over?
In order to save his son.
Would be a hell of a redemption arc.
>>18 USC 922(g)(3), which makes it a felony for an "unlawful user" of a controlled substance to receive or possess a firearm.
is there a term for when overreach exceeds ludicrous speed?
How do you think drug users would be treated in a libertarian society?
18 USC 922(g)(3) wouldn't exist, so better?
Instead of 18 USC 922(g)(3), you'd have CC&Rs for your roads, public spaces, and neighborhood. These would all be run democratically like local governments, but only property owners could vote. You can imagine how they vote on drugs, vagrancy, and other such issues.
You'd also have insurance companies and employers that can freely test and discriminate based on anything they like, and that's just what they would do with respect to drugs.
Like anyone else until they violate the life, liberty or property of another person through force or fraud.
Hey Sullum! Is it really "stacking charges" when he committed three separate felonies? Notice that there are no charges for how he disposed of the gun. Add those in and I might agree with you.
Separate felonies for the same act is an example of "stacking charges". Hunter Biden did one act (checking the "I'm not a druggie" box on Form 4473) and was charged with two felonies: lying to the government and lying to the gun dealer. He didn't lie twice.
I read that his wife (or somebody's wife) dumped it in a public garbage can, not him. But he could have been charged with negligent storage of a firearm, perhaps? Did he know or direct her to do that? Maybe she "stole" the gun (taking the property of another with the intent to permanently deprive them of the possession thereof) from him?
In any case, Sullum's feeble attempt to shame the usual MAGA Alt-rightists with appeals to libertarianism will obviously fall flat.
I know this concept is hard for Reason authors to grasp, but Hunter Biden is guilty under current law and hence should be sentenced and punished under current law.
That has nothing to do with how we are going to change the law in the future.
Uhm, we're libertarians here. We're fine with jury nullification.
As far as *the gun charges go*, IMO, Hunter has done nothing wrong. He violated laws that shouldn't exist - and are likely unconstitutional.
Perjury shouldn't exist?
How about throwing a firearm away in a trash can behind a grocery store?
I mean, you might not like the drug addicts can't buy a gun law, but it's a hell of a reach to say "done nothing wrong" when regarding Hunter Biden.
One wonders aloud if any lessons would be learned by the people who championed these laws if we pressed our hands across our hearts, and decided to vote just this one time on NAPs and Constitutional original-textualisms, to hope that one day, shortly after Hunter walks free with the song of liberty in his heart, that the same considerations will be extended to the rest of us from hereon, forever more, by those same apparatchiks.
I know of no libertarian principle that speaks to jury nullification one way or the other. The idea that violating laws that shouldn't exist somehow should not be punished is likewise not libertarian.
Libertarianism is about how a society ideally should be organized. It isn't a radical left wing revolutionary program, like you seem to think.
The rule of law (not necessarily libertarianism) demands that people cannot be punished for violating unconstitutional laws. MAGAts, obviously, generally don't bother with principles, but old school conservatives used to respect the "rule of law" sufficiently to grasp that.
Anyway, Hunter has been charged with three felonies in relation to the gun purchase: (1) lying to the government about being a druggie, (2) lying to the gun dealer about being a druggie, and (3) being a druggie in possession of a gun.
The 5th Circuit Court of Appeal has decided that the law Hunter allegedly violated in count 3 is an unconstitutional infringement of the 2nd Amendment: A druggie cannot be deprived of his or her right to buy and possess a regular gun. You really think the government can go ahead and punish people for exercising their constitutional rights, just because there was a(n illegal) law on the books at the time? Wow, is there heating in your cave, man?
If the 5th Circuit's interpretation is correct (the Supreme Court might decide so), then if Hunter is convicted of count 3, his conviction would be reversed and effectively erased.
Assuming the 3rd count is thrown out, that leaves counts 1 and 2: his alleged lying on Form 4473, specifically in response to a question, which specifically relates to the law which the 5th Circuit has specifically declared unconstitutional. Hunter hasn't been charged with "perjury"; he has been charged with violating two specific federal statutes which relate specifically to the law which the 5th Circuit has ruled unconstitutional:
18 USC 924(a)(1)(a): "[W]hoever...knowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by this chapter...shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than five years, or both."
18 USC 922(a)(6): "It shall be unlawful...for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement...intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter."
It's hard to see how he could be justifiably convicted of falsely answering a question specifically designed to deprive him of his constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment.
Constitutionality is decided by SCOTUS. So, if a law is in effect right now, it is presumed to be constitutional.
And if SCOTUS upholds that, then Hunter will be cleared of those charges.
Oaths to swear the truth are not conditional on the nature of the question. You have the option not to answer, you have the option to go to court and challenge the law; you do not have the option of lying under oath because it's more convenient for you.
Basement dwelling dweebs, obviously, generally like to substitute their ideological preferences for legal reality.
I agree with the 5th Circuit on this.
As I was saying: "if SCOTUS upholds that, then Hunter will be cleared of those charges."
And that still does not affect the validity of the perjury charges.
OK, so abolish the ATF and I'll support releasing Hunter from prosecution on those charges. It's a fair trade.
Finally, a plea deal to get excited about!
The outcome of this could be beneficial to all.
Outcome 1: Joe and his family feel the pain of unconstitutional laws when they are applied to Hunter and Joe, and other gun control nuts, will soften their attacks on the Second Amendment ever so slightly.
Outcome 2: (This is the preferred option). The courts find the law banning gun possession (notice I didn’t say possession while under the influence) by someone addicted to controlled substances to be unconstitutional and we all win. (And if that happens while Joe is still in office we also get to watch an amusing dance – does Joe disagree with the SCOTUS ruling that overturned a law he clearly supported and say “My son Hunter should be in prison and a SCOTUS should have protected the world from him by upholding the statute”.)
He still lied on the form. Not a possession charge.
The result you mention of Outcome 2 is exactly what Joe is doing by prosecuting Hunter in the first place. Of course, he can also pardon Hunter before he leaves office... (You know Trump would if it was his kid, lol.)
I think it will be amusing to see Biden's name on a pro 2A challenge to the GCA
That said, can any of the lawyers here address whether or not a win on the constitutionality of the possession charge helps him any with the 2 charges related to lying on the 4473?
My gut feeling is that it wouldn't.
Yes, it would be absolutely delicious if the Supreme Court's "Biden decision" became as famous as their "Bruen decision" in underlining the breadth of the individual right to keep and bear arms under the Constitution.
Let them fight.
Whoever loses – we win.
Also, your sub is wrong. Its literally the opposite. Biden's charges either end up with the status quo maintained (and thus no more of a threat than we already exist under) or he gets it overturned!
Ie, this case either ends up with him in jail and nothing else changes or he's a free man and this law against drug users possessing is destroyed.
Shame on Joe Biden for victimizing a Republican, gun-nut prosecutor into bringing some of the first-ever charges on these regulations in a case in which the gun was never used for a violent crime. Joe Biden forced and oppressed that prosecutor
Yeah it's funny that he wanted immunity for everything right?
What a laugh.
Hunter’s “drug user owning a gun” bullshit is a red herring being used for distraction, to keep him and his shitty family out of prison for their influence peddling to foreign businesses/governments.
Why the fuck is anyone trying to make some larger issue out of it? No one gave a shit about gun rights for dopers until FJB’s darling son left a laptop full of incriminating evidence where gov-men couldn’t make it vanish fast enough.
Considering how often the writers here at Teen Reason talk about drugs, I'm guessing they're all complete dope fiends and worried about getting caught up in the same laws.
Seriously, some days we get multiple articles about hallucinogens, or pot, or whatever. I get "the DEA shouldn't exist" type articles in a libertarian magazine, but the rest of it borders on teenage stoners reading High Times.
It is the "drug user owning a gun" bullshit explicitly demanded by the Republican Congresscritters and commentators.
This was amusing: "That sort of "trial penalty" is par for the course in a criminal justice system where prosecutors wield tremendous power to coerce guilty pleas by threatening to pile on charges and/or seek stiffer punishment if a defendant has the audacity to make the government prove its case."
By defendants, you mean like Trump and everyone around him since 2016? Like those guys, Jacob?
Why are you surprised? It is the same system.
Goody. Let’s make Hunter Biden into a civil disobedience hero.
As long as we keep taking the bait-- hook, line, sinker, fishing pole, fisherman and dock and pretend that these charges aren't a bone thrown to the Doberman, in a crass, politically-motivated attempt to distract from the real crimes that took place, then I'm good. I'm good.
They are what Republicans have been demanding. Left to his own devices, Biden (Joe) probably would have preferred to sweep this under the rug.
Of course he wanted to sweep it under the rug. Just like his grandchild he didn't recognize until people made him.
I agree that the focus on these charges, are to take away from the bigger story. Wait, I was told that the laptop, that Hunter is suing which is totally not his, is just Russian prop.
Live by the political connections, die by the political connections.
This whole thing is just a Merrick Garland Hail Mary to keep Hunter from having to testify before the impeachment committee.
The Left: "Oh my god throw out the stupid drug question on the 4473!"
Me: Coo'.
The Right: "Oh my god Hunter Biden lied about the stupid drug question on the 4473, he should go to prison!"
Me: Coo'.
"Oh, no, we might actually get an unconstitutional law overturned by subjecting a privileged snot-stain of a hypocritical lefty politician to equal justice under law. How horribly awkward for us."
Could somebody unplug Sullum's ventilator and let him die with dignity?
There it is.
That sort of "trial penalty" is par for the course in a criminal justice system where prosecutors wield tremendous power to coerce guilty pleas by threatening to pile on charges and/or seek stiffer punishment if a defendant has the audacity to make the government prove its case.
I mean, I knew from the headline that this article was going to be whiny horseshit. Admittedly, I assumed that it was going to be about why society should revere dopeheads (you got there eventually) - but you managed to get in a loathing contempt of the justice system while you were at it.
Just like saying that the charges against Al Capone draw us further into punitive taxation and waxing lyrically about how persecuted the man was that they did such tactics like switching his jury.
And that's not even getting onto the fact that the plea deal would have given him probation, well under standard sentencing guidelines, and I believe under mandatory minimums.
I mean. To defend Biden, they are ignoring all the real crimes. Plus, it ignores the even bigger concern that this case highlights about plea deals, which is the ability to give favored people sweetheart deals with insultingly small punishments based off race, class, or personal preference.
great, now do Roseanne Boyland
I'd never heard of her before. Interesting.
What does Tucker Carlson say about her death?
You'd be amazed at the "trial penalties" in an actual libertarian legal system, a system in which, among other things, the cost of legal proceedings is not subsidized by tax payers.