The 5th Circuit Agrees That Federal Officials Unconstitutionally 'Coerced' or 'Encouraged' Online Censorship
The appeals court narrowed a preliminary injunction against such meddling but confirmed the threat that it poses to freedom of speech.

A federal appeals court on Friday upheld key parts of a preliminary injunction against federal interference with content moderation on social media platforms. A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit unanimously agreed that the White House, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the FBI had "coerced" or "significantly encouraged" the platforms, "in violation of the First Amendment," to suppress speech that federal officials viewed as dangerously inaccurate or misleading. But the 5th Circuit also said the injunction that U.S. District Judge Terry Doughty issued in July was excessively broad and covered too many agencies.
During the last few years, the 5th Circuit notes in a per curiam opinion joined by Judges Edith Brown Clement, Jennifer Walker Elrod, and Don Willett, "a group of federal officials has been in regular contact with nearly every major American social-media company about the spread of 'misinformation' on their platforms. In their concern, those officials—hailing from the White House, the CDC, the FBI, and a few other agencies—urged the platforms to remove disfavored content and accounts from their sites."
In response, the appeals court says, "the platforms seemingly complied. They gave the officials access to an expedited reporting system, downgraded or removed flagged posts, and deplatformed users. The platforms also changed their internal policies to capture more flagged content and sent steady reports on their moderation activities to the officials. That went on through the COVID-19 pandemic [and] the 2022 congressional election, and continues to this day."
The plaintiffs in this case, Missouri v. Biden, include five social media users, along with the states of Missouri and Louisiana. They argued that the Biden administration's public and private pressure on platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube amounted to government-directed censorship. The 5th Circuit essentially agreed, endorsing much of Doughty's analysis. According to the appeals court, the administration's persistent demands that Facebook et al. do more to control "misinformation"—which were coupled with implicit threats of punishment through heavier regulation, antitrust action, and increased civil liability for user-posted content—crossed the line between permissible government speech and impermissible intrusion on private decisions.
The 5th Circuit's opinion emphasizes both the tone and the volume of the government's requests. Although the administration claimed it was doing nothing more than urging the platforms to enforce their own rules, its "asks" frequently went further than that.
Publicly, President Joe Biden accused the platforms of "killing people" by failing to suppress speech that discouraged vaccination against COVID-19. Murthy likewise said that failure was "costing people their lives." White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki declared that social media companies "have a responsibility related to the health and safety of all Americans to stop amplifying untrustworthy content, disinformation, and misinformation, especially related to COVID-19, vaccinations, and elections." If they failed to meet that responsibility, Murthy said, "legal and regulatory measures" might be necessary. Psaki floated the possibility of new privacy regulations and threatened social media companies with "a robust anti-trust program." White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield said the platforms "should be held accountable," which she suggested could include reducing their legal protection against civil claims based on users' posts.
Privately, administration officials pressed Facebook et al. to delete or downgrade specific posts and banish specific speakers, to take action against content even when it did not violate the platforms' rules, and to expand those rules so that any speech federal officials viewed as dangerous to public health could be deemed a violation. Their "requests" were sometimes phrased as demands.
As the 5th Circuit notes, Clarke Humphrey, digital director for the COVID-19 Response Team, told Twitter to remove an anti-vaccine post by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. "ASAP" and "instructed it to 'keep an eye out for tweets that fall in this same…genre' so that they could be removed, too." On another occasion, Deputy Assistant to the President Rob Flaherty, director of digital strategy at the White House, told Twitter to delete a parody account tied to one of Biden's grandchildren "immediately," saying he could not "stress [enough] the degree to which this needs to be resolved immediately."
Flaherty emphasized that he was acting on the president's behalf, that his concerns were "shared at the highest (and I mean highest) levels of the [White House]." White House officials invoked previous perceived failures at content moderation, which they said had been disastrous. "When Facebook did not take a prominent pundit's 'popular post[]' down," the 5th Circuit notes, senior White House COVID-19 adviser Andrew Slavitt "asked 'what good is' the reporting system, and signed off with 'last time we did this dance, it ended in an insurrection.'" In another exchange, Flaherty "demand[ed] 'assurances' that [Facebook] was taking action" and "likened the platform's alleged inaction to the 2020 election, which it 'helped increase skepticism in,'" adding that "an insurrection…was plotted, in large part, on your platform.'"
When social media companies failed to do what the administration wanted, White House officials reacted angrily. Flaherty noted that a flagged Facebook post was "still up," asking, "How does something like that happen?" Facebook was "hiding the ball," Flaherty complained. "Are you guys fucking serious?" he said in another email to Facebook. "I want an answer on what happened here and I want it today." Because Facebook was "not trying to solve the problem," Slavitt said, the White House was "considering our options on what to do about it."
Flaherty, the 5th Circuit notes, "demanded more details and data on Facebook's internal policies at least twelve times," asking "what was being done to curtail 'dubious' or 'sensational' content, what 'interventions' were being taken, what 'measurable impact' the platforms' moderation policies had, 'how much content [was] being demoted,' and what 'misinformation' was not being downgraded." He "lamented that flagging did not 'historically mean…that [a post] was removed.'" Flaherty told Facebook he had "been asking…pretty directly, over a series of conversations…what actions" the platform had "been taking to mitigate" vaccine hesitancy and to stop its "shell game." He said the White House was "gravely concerned" that Facebook was "one of the top drivers of vaccine hesitancy."
By and large, especially after Biden and Murthy accused social media companies of killing people, the platforms did what the White House wanted. They were eager to appease the president, repeatedly asking how they could work together to address his concerns. In this context, the 5th Circuit says, it is likely that the pressure campaign amounted to "coercion" and that the White House unconstitutionally shaped moderation decisions.
The appeals court reached a similar conclusion regarding the FBI, whose officials "regularly met with the platforms," alerting them to "misinformation trends in the lead-up to federal elections." They warned social media companies about "Russian troll farms" and "hack and dump" operations by "state-sponsored actors," a category that some national security experts claimed included accurate information from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop. The platforms "apparently changed their moderation policies in response to the FBI's debriefs," the 5th Circuit says. "For example, some platforms changed their 'terms of service' to be able to tackle content that was tied to hacking operations."
The FBI's efforts "were not limited to purely foreign threats," the appeals court notes. "The officials also targeted domestically sourced 'disinformation' like posts that stated incorrect poll hours or mail-in voting procedures." Platforms removed FBI-flagged posts about 50 percent of the time. Especially given its authority as the leading federal law enforcement agency, the 5th Circuit says, the FBI probably "coerced the platforms into moderating content" and "encouraged them to do so by effecting changes to their moderation policies"—"both in violation of the First Amendment."
By contrast, the 5th Circuit found that the CDC's conduct was "not plainly coercive," especially since it had no direct authority over social media companies. But the court concluded that the intimate collaboration between the CDC and the platforms, which practically begged the agency to tell them which content qualified as "misinformation," amounted to "significant encouragement" of censorship.
"The platforms came to heavily rely on the CDC," the 5th Circuit says. "They adopted rule changes meant to implement the CDC's guidance." In many cases, social media companies made moderation decisions "based entirely on the CDC's say-so." In one email, for example, a Facebook official said "there are several claims that we will be able to remove as soon as the CDC debunks them" but "until then, we are unable to remove them."
The 5th Circuit agreed that the White House, Murthy's office, the FBI, and the CDC were appropriate targets of Doughty's injunction. But it found that Doughty had erred by including the State Department, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and the the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA).
"Generally speaking, the NIAID did not have regular contact with the platforms or flag content," the appeals court says. And although the State Department "communicated directly with the platforms," its officials "did not flag content, suggest policy changes, or reciprocally receive data during those meetings."
CISA "did flag content," the 5th Circuit says, and its communications "apparently led to content being removed or demoted by the recipient platforms." But "its conduct falls on the 'attempts to convince,' not 'attempts to coerce,' side of the line," the court says, because "there is not sufficient evidence that CISA made threats of adverse consequences—explicit or implicit—to the platforms for refusing to act on the content it flagged." Nor is there "any indication CISA had power over the platforms in any capacity, or that [its] requests were threatening in tone or manner." As for "significant encouragement," the court says, CISA's efforts, judging from the existing record, did "not equate to meaningful control," since "there is no plain evidence that content was actually moderated per CISA's requests or that any such moderation was done subject to non-independent standards."
The 5th Circuit also concluded that the terms of Doughty's injunction, which included "ten prohibitions," were too sweeping and vague, potentially encompassing permissible government speech. The court winnowed down the prohibitions to this order:
Defendants, and their employees and agents, shall take no actions, formal or informal, directly or indirectly, to coerce or significantly encourage social-media companies to remove, delete, suppress, or reduce, including through altering their algorithms, posted social-media content containing protected free speech. That includes, but is not limited to, compelling the platforms to act, such as by intimating that some form of punishment will follow a failure to comply with any request, or supervising, directing, or otherwise meaningfully controlling the social-media companies' decision-making processes.
Notwithstanding the 5th Circuit's modification of Doughty's injunction, the court's decision amounts to a sharp rebuke of the Biden administration's heavy-handed attempts to suppress online "misinformation." It is also a rebuke of commentators who either minimized or ignored the threat that the government's badgering and threats posed to freedom of speech.
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“There is no time in history where the people who were censoring speech were the good guys,” --RFK Jr.
Why are the powers that shouldn't be so afraid of people conversing and sharing information and ideas? Food for thought.
What part of existential threat to democracy from mal and misinformation don't you get?
What's the threat?
Democrats won't be able to control society.
Ah yes. Censorship is a wonderful way to control what people hear, which often control what they think. Just like the democrats to try this.
CensorShit is THE way towards our Bright New Future, dammit!!!
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must it be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, It Has Become Known Unto us, that it is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must It Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with it! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered it ALL! You can take the rest of the day off.
(You’re welcome!)
noone likes to see someone shit himself in public
they should just feel sorry for you
Twat SPLENDID wit! Did Mommy help you write shit?
Not meant to be witty - you should have enough self awareness to be embarrassed by some of the things you post, is all.
Just trying to be helpful.
notice i dont respond to your more rational posts with that type of post.
It’s cool. We all know what SQRLSY is. How it hasn’t been euthanized by now is surprising. We should send it to Canada. They love to euthanize things like SQRLSY.
I don't think RFK Jr. was the first to say that, nor will he be the last.
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Then FDR, LBJ and JFK were the "bad guys"!
What FDR did was an order of magnitude worse than anything done by the CDC.
And Hitler was worse than FDR. What’s your goddamn point?
Those presidents are all considered “great” and nothing was ever done about their massive and continuous violations of the 1st Amendment.
It's not even recognized that their actions were wrong.
The same will happen here since there will be no penalties for what the CDC and others did.
Funny that. Only those presidents who greatly expand the power of the State are considered "great". Either through war or legislative fiat. Preside quietly or forbid! even shrink the State and few care or remember who you were.
Is there a plausible case for a RICO prosecution against these people?
If appealing an election with precedent in the courts is RICO worthy, this sure as fuck is.
That's different because OrangeManBad.
Deprivation of Rights, found in the Jack Smith indictment. Capital punishment for all involved.
Americans (nine democrats) should just take over and sort these people out with tribunals.
I prefer treason and execution for willfully violating the constitution.
Unfortunately the Reign of Terror doesn't get the results one wants. I'd settle for getting rid of QI for them and holding officials personally responsible for their actions.
"They gave the officials access to an expedited reporting system, downgraded or removed flagged posts, and deplatformed users. The platforms also changed their internal policies to capture more flagged content and sent steady reports on their moderation activities to the officials. That went on through the COVID-19 pandemic [and] the 2022 congressional election, and continues to this day."
Add this to the ever growing list.
Per the Washington Post, the 5th only said it was “likely” that the President, et. al. forced platforms to remove content, giving their commentariat a chance to say nothing was proven.
Which is true, at this point in the litigation. They are still arguing over preliminary injunctions and have not yet formally gotten to the merits.
When social media companies failed to do what the administration wanted
Optional compliance. Just hang up the phone.
It was unconstitutional for those officials to ask in the first place.
Given all the heavy-handed liberty-killing actions by government asking Facebook for this is at the bottom of the list.
Litigate for actual damages - like when Fox News had to pay $787 million for their lies about the "stolen" election.
To whom did they have to pay this?
Dominion Voting Systems was damaged by the lies.
Constitutional pedantry aside, some jackass having his post removed about the "fake Wuhan Flu" by Facebook suffered no damages.
How was DV damaged?
Fox settled because of the judicial listing of facts that weren't allowed to be argued, removing virtually every defense for Fox.
Fox News settled because they were exposed as liars and would lose the case anyway and be subject to billions instead of $787 million.
How was DV damaged? You ignored the question.
Fox only settled after the liberal judge issues the facts of the case that basically eliminated any and all defenses. It came 24 hours later. It was a horrible and unjust ruling. DV's customers were governments, not consumers. Fox did not state anything about them, but reported on the news of the day. By your conviction, MSNBC should be forced to give Trump Billions in damages over Steele.
Do you try to even educate yourself?
Bullshit.
The massive payout reflects the fact that Dominion had put together a strong case that Fox had acted with “actual malice,” a high bar under defamation law that has historically been difficult for plaintiffs suing media outlets to satisfy. Dominion’s considerable success in this case indicates that Fox acutely understood that there was a high risk that the jury would side with Dominion on this crucial legal point. The settlement also spares the network from weeks of embarrassing testimony that would have put the widespread internal dysfunction at Fox News on full public display.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/18/why-fox-news-had-to-settle-the-dominion-suit-00092708
You still didn't answer his question.
Many-many right-wing gutter-snipes PISS AND MOAN oh so loudly about how social media “censors” them… And then proceed to practice THEIR version of censorshit via Faux News etc.! If the TRUTH reduces ratings at Faux News… Fucker Carlshit etc. may NOT speak the truth! If the LIES increase ratings at Faux News… Fucker Carlshit etc. MUST speak the lies, especially about how that them thar Lizard People STOLE Donald’s erections!!! Even when Fucker Carlshit Himself does NOT believe said lies! YE conservatards with YOUR taste for lies (cravenly caved into, by Faux News) are at the ROOT of the blame! “Tell me the lies that I want to hear”, ye evil lie-seeking fuckers!
Sqrlsy loves censorship when it's a beautiful blue.
What damagea? Answer the question.
And calling bullshit and then linking to leftist opinion is a great way to rebut an argument.
Fox did not settle until the day after the judge issues the assumed facts of the case. Full stop. Bet your article even mentions it.
"...that would have put the widespread internal dysfunction at Fox News on full public display."
The widespread internal dysfunction at Marxist Mammary-Misek-Farter-Fuhrer's so-called "brain" is now on full PUBIC display for all to see! Discount prices on fake-titty-fucking-services at Her-Perfect-Fake-Tits-advertising will be conflated with the POSTING OF POLITICAL OPINIONS when it cums to "cuntent moderation" policies!
(To be clear, I personally think that Marxist Mammary-Misek-Farter-Fuhrer should be Perv-fectly free to advertise ANY and EVERY form of discount titty-fucking that She Perfectly wants to display, ON HER OWN WEB SITE, cunt-ditionally free of child porn, murder-for-hire, etc.!)
This is a good example of the biased garbage you ingest.
Media Conservatives are notorious liars.
Call all the names you want, but don't lie about what happened and answer Jesse's question, weasel.
What did I say that was a lie shrike?
Cunt-Sore-va-Turds are SOOOOO sore in their cunts, that they hold that ANY lies and ANY slander against ANY business... No matter HOW badly it hurts this business's interests of making honest money providing honest services... Such as Dominion Voting Systems https://www.dominionvoting.com/ ... Is TOTES OK... So long ass it serves THEIR interests of POWER for themselves and THEIR Sacred TRIBE! Tribalism Uber ALLES! Uber-over honesty, decency, democracy, peace, prosperity, benevolence... ALL of it down the toilet, if need be, if POWER FOR MEEEEE is at stake!
Kiddie Raper, you say this right after linking to a biased far left Politico propaganda piece.
So more of your lies.
We've all suffered significant damages from the 3 years of insanity that the censorship helped to enable.
Please sue to be compensated for your "significant damages"... That's what the courts are for!
You post here cost you $0.00... What if Reason.com TAKES IT DOWN? Before suing, you MIGHT want to consider asking for your $0.00 back!
Yes, like compliance with the federal tax code is "voluntary".
Many people are fined or jailed for tax violations.
Who was fined or jailed for REJECTING the content-moderation suggestions of Government Almighty?
Julian Assange and the guys running Backpage, but you already know this, Nazi.
Backpage, agreed, but a different issue... Involves HOOKERS... Kill the war on hookers, agreed, but that it NOT political moderation! Who got jailed for WRONG MODERATION about what the POLICIES SHOULD BE around hookers, ass opposed to helping out hookers in their advertising quests? But You Perfectly already KNEW that, Perfect Bitch!
Assange revealed Government Almighty misdeeds, yes, indeed, and that is a GOOD thing! It STILL has next to NOTHING to do with punishing people for “wrong moderation”! Yeah, let’s punish Twitter for having taken suggestions from people that Mammary-Fuhrer does NOT like? Now WTF does THAT have to do with Assange’s whistle-blowing?
Assange was punished for what HE revealed, NOT for “wrongly” moderating the comments or posts of others!!! Hello?!? HOW will punishing Twitter or Twitter employees (for “wrong moderation”) fix ANY of this?
And did some Government Almighty folks make some WRONG web site moderation suggestions to Assange, and for THAT, they should be punished? Besides dragging whistle-blowing into questions about micro-managing WEB SITE MODERATION, what is Your Perfect FIX here?
Dishonest-arguing Perfect Bitch!
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10291
“The indictment alleges that, in March 2010, Assange agreed to assist
Manning in “cracking” a password stored on Department of Defense computers in order to access classified records. ”
NOTHING to do with Assange indulging in “wrong moderation” of the posts of others! NOTHING to do with PROVING the Great Mammary-Fuhrer’s case that the Sacred Perfect LAWS of Government Almighty would do such a MUCH better job of moderating the posts of PRIVATE WEB SITE OWNERS, than the owners of said web sites could do, on their own!
WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALLEGED FAULTS OF SECTION 230?
Previously, You said that “He (Assange) didn’t even publish everything, instead releasing only that which showed the government deliberately breaking laws.”
Well, Great Genius, I leave it to You to decode the following: What happens if every Tom, Dick, and Harry gets to rifle through all of the USA’s secret files, and DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES what should be released, and what should NOT be released? Are You perhaps honest and intelligent enough to see that THERE WOULD BE NO SECRETS LEFT!!! Hello?! Nuke secrets, war plans, IDs of embedded agents, HELLO?!?! Are You cracking (or in favor of cracking) into computers in Russia, Iran, and North Korea, or ONLY into computers in the USA? WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON? WHO are You working for, and WHY do You Perfectly HATE the USA? Crack any passwords and intrude lately, or help others do so, Perfect ID-Thief?
Let's note that SQRLSY and his favorite pedophile comrade in arms, SPB2, are now on the record stating that the Government Censorship by Proxy program was no big deal.
They are in disagreement with 2 Court opinions now.
They are in disagreement with Reason
They are in disagreement with pretty much everyone EXCEPT the 30% of the public that calls themselves Democrats.
And they will insist that they care about liberty.
Sure, and then wait for the IRS, the EPA and the local zoning commission to visit you personally. The 501C3 cases of Tea Party activists had a wide ranging effect.
They gave the officials access to an expedited reporting system
The private version of which is what rendered Prodigy specifically liable in the Stratton Oakmont case that S230 intentionally reversed. The issue wasn’t that an algorithm was being unfair or moderation policies were biased, the problem was their TOS and moderation rules said one thing, but the developers and executives constructed a parallel shadow moderation system to allow the C-level executives to edit content outside or around the TOS and/or stated rules.
The TOS is more of a guideline.
So exactly like SM today.
They should have left the original injunction in place.
misinformation in social media is a huge problem.... but not one that is any of the government's business.
the biggest problem is that whoever is trying to crush the disinformation is typically succumbing to their own brand of misinformation. the solution is not to censor anything, it is for us as a society to understand what these platforms are. they are a bunch of random people talking out their asses, with algorithms that filter out what you don't want to hear. (except occasionally for you to rage against it.) none of it is verified. most of it is garbage. it is not something you should base all your opinions and actions on.
it went off the rails when people stopped using it to look at pictures of the grand-kids, and started using it to form their view of reality. the ravings of some drunk in his mom's basement are treated as gospel truth. too often, those, who see this reality and try to censor it, are just turning to different lunatic in a different basement.
Misinformation in ALL media is a huge problem.
Yes, as Kellyanne Conway said the Trump administration wished to push "alternative facts" into the mass media to justify Donnie's authoritarian inclinations.
Thank god we have the non partisan Media Matters to determine the correct facts, right shrike?
You nutcases believe Snopes is partisan.
Snopes is far to the left and has been for years. How do you feel about NPR or PBS?
He thinks Adam Schiff is the only honest politician.
Yeah, and Fatass Donnie really won the 2020 election but old senile Joe masterminded a steal in four key swing states.
How do you feel about NPR or PBS?
They're OK. Reliable news reporting. The print side - not the radio side.
I read the Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg mostly. And Reason.
Well thats weird. WSJ was against the Dominion suit.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dominion-voting-fox-news-settlement-defamation-case-rupert-murdoch-john-poulos-bf605b16
Why did you choose politico above?
WSJ owned by Murdoch, you idiot.
Wasn't this just you:
I read the Wall Street Journal
Weird.
I think you're the only person to ever put 'Biden' and 'mastermind' in the same sentence.
Perhaps, but you know what Snopes does do: outline their reasoning and provide citations.
Footnotes and sources are proof of lefty bias.
LOL
Not democrats folks.
You posting CP links here is proof you’re a pedophile.
Unlike Buttplug.
Who, whether you like his politics or not, frequently provides sources.
He has been caught dozens of times not reading his own citations dumbass. If you read citations you would know this. We often mock him with his own fucking links.
Mike will ignore that and continue the defense of his pedophile hero.
Whats snipe generally does is ignore factual statements and focus on narrative building.
Both them and Politifact are well known for their true but the other narrative rulings.
Also you clowns seem to not understand selection bias is still a bias.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-a-bird-poop-on-biden/
https://notthebee.com/article/co-founder-of-fact-checker-snopes-plagiarized-dozens-of-articles
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democrats-under-god-pledge/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/snopes
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/snopes
Snopes leans slightly left, according to some?
Hunter Biden art does concern me, to be clear about it. However, this is an opportune time to call attention to the hyper-partisans, who will “refute” what you say, by pointing out that your source is “from the wrong tribe”!
Leftist media bias by Vox is a fib sometimes! Hunter Biden art…
https://www.vox.com/2021/8/3/22601671/hunter-biden-art-sales-walter-shaub “Why Obama’s former ethics czar is highly critical of Hunter Biden’s lucrative art sales … There have been many bad-faith “scandals” linked to the president’s son. Walter Shaub thinks this one should be taken seriously.
I wonder if the Trumpaloos will now show up to say that Vox is liberally biased, and can't be trusted? This here “Vox” article MUST mean that Hunter Biden is a GREAT artist, and there are NO opportunities for corruption, here!
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias
“VOX” rated as far-left as is allowed… The needle is pegged!
PROOF, then, that Hunter Biden art is of NO concern to stalwart conservatives and Trumpaloos! (Since Vox always lies, of course).
The logic is solid!
So you can't be bothered to click the citation. Weird.
Snopes is partisan as fuck, and I know you know that, shill.
You mean the site that shares a CEO with Salon? Yes.
That was embarrassing pedo. Although not as embarrassing as the time you got banned for posting links to kiddie porn.
That was embarrassing, goat-fucking corpse-humper. Although not ass embarrassing as the time you got banned for posting links to a web slut for worshitting Marxist-Mammary-Misek The Miserable, Adolf-Adorer and Hitler-Humper! Twat more can I say?
Did SQRLSY trot out ‘tim the enchanter’ yet?
Trump admin "alternative fact": The Steele Dossier is bullshit.
I'm not convinced that people had a more accurate picture of the world when they got it from TV and newspapers. You are right that people need to know and understand that social media is just a bunch of people saying shit. But they also need to understand that the traditional "authoritative" sources of information are also in the business of spinning narratives to serve the interests of the people paying their bills.
.. serve the interests of the people paying their bills…
Despite what they may say, it boils down to this.
"I’m not convinced that people had a more accurate picture of the world when they got it from TV and newspapers."
that is a fair point. but there was a more reasonable baseline. in traditional media, there is at least some editorial and liability overview. the deviation from the truth is not as extreme.
Editorial. Don't make me laugh.
Of course on social media you can find people who state arbitrarily insane or false things as fact. Whatever kind of nut you are, you can find people who will back up your worldview. But most people see the truly insane stuff for what it is.
i know a lot of very smart people who have fallen for some very insane stuff. because of the emotional feedback in social media it catches more people than logic and reason would lead you to assume.
Maybe they’re not as smart as you think?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
(End subtitles and excerpts).
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
But if the people he thinks are smart are dumb... doesn't that make him really dumb?
Oh yeah
Let us remember the definition of 'misinformation':
True facts you don't like.
I thought that was "malinformation". Though a lot of people do seem to use "misinformation" to mean that too, so you have a point.
those who think we should censor things mean that. i don't think any of it should be censored, but recognize that people speaking freely means they sometimes say shit that isn't true.
people should be able to say shit that isn't true. but other people need to understand that it might not be true. a lot of people have a hard time with that second bit.
Now cue the comments admitting it happened, while noting that the people being censored such as Dr. Bhattacharya were spreading disinformation so they're not to be loved, and the censors, while meaning well, sure they went too far but let's not lose sight of the fact that the real threat is social media itself.
Funny no such cued comments appearing. I don’t recall anyone’s writing a comment with that particular combination of thoughts about social media “censorship”.
You're one hell of a liar.
You yourself have made plenty of comments along those lines.
*checks thread*
Found one.
nice try, but that is not even close to what i said.
i said there should be no censoring.
i said nothing bad about anyone posting misinformation.
i said nothing good about anyone censoring anything.
so.... you can fuck right off.
If you really squint.
Cite?
Note Dee gets defensive.
The abuses will continue until a significant fraction of abusers face real consequences.
Someone in government is currently doing it, guaranteed.
or until the abusers are ignored because people develop, use andor hone their own critical thinking skills
This should be the default expectation and any mitigations should be based on this and not on Government correcting anything.
Isn't this where the Reason shills all scream "private company" to hand wave away the censorship?
It's where Sullum himself said that. Shackford was probably the worst and Robby was the best, but basically all of them handwaved all this away
Robby was the first and for a long time the only one to question or go against the 'muh private company" narrative.
The 5th Circuit Agrees That Federal Officials Unconstitutionally 'Coerced' or 'Encouraged' Online Censorship
And then nothing happened.
more online censorship, so there's that ...
Would still like to know why HR 140 has been abandoned.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/140/actions
Congress should pass a bill forbidding Federal employees and contractors from engaging in any kind of social media moderation or censorship.
Ask Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin and the Democrat controlled senate.
Remember that time Mike Liarson blamed Republicans for the Democrat controlled Senate not taking up this bill that was passed in the Republican controlled House?
Also remember how Mike ignores constitutional violations and prefers statutory construction dems can block.
Because of Chuck Schumer you retarded fuck.
And what part of the executive branch will enforce that law assuming that you can find a judge not afraid to issue a warrant?
Then why did Comer even bother introducing the bill if we are going to be that defeatist.
Christ, what an asshole.
Power corrupts.
Power attracts the corrupt.
And the corrupt are drawn to power.
seems like some sort of criminal conspiracy to influence and overturn election results ...
Better get RICO.
Remy should riff the MAACO ads
What bothered me, and worries me, more than socialist totalitarians grabbing power in the name of public health is how many Americans eagerly fell into line, and even demanded more bullshit and removal of liberties. Sure, a few elitist grifters only pretended to obey, but many, many lemmings jumped off the cliff, pausing only to lambast and report anyone who protested. And I think this behavior was more than short term gullibility. If not natural subservience, this is long term conditioning.
We had a whole list of local Karens who snitched on their neighbors and local businesses, that had to be made public due to sunshine laws.
It's called public education.
+100000000000 ^^^ EXACTLY ^^^^. Commie-Education camps. Fully loaded with socialist narratives.
What? Central Planning also means Central Control?
Who could have ever seen this coming?
A+++++++++ Well Stated.
The 5th Circuit's ruling strikes me as vague, in that it says various parties and/or agencies are not subject to the Preliminary Injunction, yet it doesn't directly state that those same enitities are dismissed as Defendants to the lawsuit.
So as I interpret the ruling, those entities not encompassed by the Preliminary Injunction are still Defendants, and pursuant to further litigation, they might still be joined in the Permanent Injunction if further evidence is introduced showing misconduct.
To that extent, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals' ruling seems vague. Presumably the case is headed to the Supreme Court before going back to the lower court, so hopefully this issue will be clarified --- SOON.
I thought I read the article carefully, but I did not see the list of those convicted and jailed for these egregious civil rights violations.
It would take a congress of honorable politicians to make that happen. You know that kind that doesn't think their oath of office is a complete joke.
Injunctions result in arrests and convictions?
Trying to conquer and destroy the USA (defined by the US Constitution) for a Nazi-Uprising should result in arrests and convictions.
And not one of the motherfuckers involved in these crimes will spend a day in jail or pay one dime for it.
Tar and feathers are indicated.
-jcr
Prof Eugene Volokh, blogging here at Reason, has his take and summary of the ruling. That post is going to get into the legal issues in a far more meaningful way that Sullum's article.
BTW, this is the steaming pile of lefty shit promoting the official murder of the unarmed in order to prevent nothing he can name:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
And the asshole claims I'm a "stalker" for pointing it out every time the slime-ball posts here.
Hey, shit-bag, maybe you should admit that murder of the unarmed isn't such a hot idea, and that you ARE a slimy pile of lefty shit.
Any chance of any of the miscreants suffering any penalties, or will the get the Reno "I take responsibility but no harm" bullshit?
In case anyone else is wondering about all those 'medals' worn by this guy who is not in the military:
Public Health Service Outstanding Service Medal
Public Health Service Presidential Unit Citation
Public Health Service Global Response Service Award
Public Health Service Regular Corps Ribbon
Commissioned Corps Training Ribbon
Surgeon General Badge
Office of the Secretary of Health and Human Services Badge
When you said 'guy who is not in the military', I just sort of assumed you were talking about Admiral Rachel Levine.
Every government agency not restricted becomes a potential conduit for the ones that are. The WH can now tell NIAID to exert pressure since they aren’t prevented. To be effective, the injunction would require a complete separation of government from the social media. Doable.
When all this censorship was showing up and obvious to everybody, Reason talking heads LOOOOVED repeating their smug response “ if you don’t like it, build your own social media company.”
When will Reason finally do a mea culpa and admit that they blew it on this issue and had no concept of the realities of our new world?
Duh!
Censorship has been so complete the demoncrat powers moved the covid needle past 100 and banned everyone telling the truth from day one.
Now they have had to admit most of their lies, one by one.
Remember the censorship helps implements, in fact forces, the other losses of jobs, of side income, and family members and friendships, of official licenses, standing in any body, publication, and a near endless host of attacks on personal lives of those who were and are correct.
What all the back and forth in the comments seems to fail to notice is those doing the silencing don't have the truth in mind for a myriad of reasons, and the silencing isn't done to just shut someone up, it is done with all the fallout intentions I named above.