Judge Rules Minneapolis' Zoning Reforms Are Getting Too Much Housing Built
Plus: Political campaigns will have to disclose if they use AI in their ads, the effort to rehabilitate rent control rumbles on, and more...

Environmentalists have managed to reverse America's leading "yes in my backyard" (YIMBY) success story. A Minnesota judge ruled this week that Minneapolis must halt the implementation of a wide range of zoning reforms until it performs an environmental analysis of the increased home construction and urban density they allow.
"The record supports the inescapable conclusion that [the city's zoning changes] would have such potential for significant environmental effects that it is likely to affect the environment materially adversely, causing irreparable harm," wrote Hennepin County Judge Joseph R. Klein in a Tuesday decision.
Changes the city will now have to pump the brakes on include its first-in-the-nation abolition of single-family-only zoning, the ending of minimum parking requirements for new residential buildings, and the legalization of larger apartment buildings in more areas of the city.
These were passed by the Minneapolis City Council back in December 2018 as part of its lengthy Minneapolis 2040 comprehensive plan, which had the express purpose of boosting housing supply in order to bring housing prices down.
That potential for additional housing construction was a bug, not a feature, for a number of the city's environmentalist organizations. Shortly before the approval of the Minneapolis 2040 plan, they sued the city on the grounds it had failed to study the environmental impacts of more people and more homes as required by the Minnesota Environmental Policy Act (MEPA).
Plaintiffs include Smart Growth Minneapolis and Minnesota Citizens for the Protection of Migratory Birds.
That case has been winding through the courts ever since. Klein had previously ruled in favor of the plaintiffs back in June 2022, rejecting an argument from the city that comprehensive plan updates like Minneapolis 2040 were exempt from state environmental review requirements.
The city was allowed to keep approving projects under the more permissive Minneapolis 2040 rules while it appealed that decision. In December 2022, a state appeals court also agreed with plaintiffs that Minneapolis' zoning changes triggered MEPA.
They sent the case back to Klein to decide whether a freeze on implementing the plan's housing changes was necessary. His Tuesday decision approved that freeze.
While the lawsuit has been ongoing, Minneapolis has seen a small boom in new home construction. Developers have taken advantage of the new, more liberal zoning rules to build newly legal apartment buildings with less parking than was previously required. (The city's legalization of triplexes and duplexes has had a more modest impact.)
Bloomberg reported recently that the city has managed to tame rising housing costs, while rents and home prices continue to rise in neighboring St. Paul and other cities across the Midwest.
Klein's Tuesday decision notes that "that since the Minneapolis 2040 Plan took effect on January 1, 2020, there has been a significant increase in total approved building height, linear feet, gross area footprint, and impermeable surface coverage."
But the success of the plan at increasing housing production and density is also its legal undoing. All this new floor space is likely to increase traffic (including pedestrian traffic), decrease air quality, increase light and glare from buildings, and increase shadows from new buildings.
Those are all environmental impacts that need to be studied under MEPA, reasoned Klein. Until that's done, new home construction under the Minneapolis 2040 rules must now stop.
The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported in May that the city had preemptively started work on an environmental review of its comprehensive plan while the lawsuit was still pending.
"We think the Court's ruling is wrong and we will be appealing," said the Minneapolis City Attorney's Office in a statement to Reason.
Klein's ruling, while quite plausibly right on the merits of MEPA's requirements, is certainly a setback for Minneapolis landowners who now have fewer options for developing their properties. It could at least be a productive teaching moment.
Minneapolis's 2040 plan legalized more housing production on paper, which then led to more homes in fact, and lower housing costs as a result. That's a vindication of the general YIMBY mantra that housing affordability comes through increased housing supply.
If the Minneapolis 2040 plan's reversal sees home construction fall and prices rise, that'll just be more proof of concept of that narrative.
FREE MINDS
Come November, political ads on Google will have to disclose whether they're using artificial intelligence. Politico reports:
Google's latest rule update—which also applies to YouTube video ads—requires all verified advertisers to prominently disclose whether their ads contain "synthetic content that inauthentically depicts real or realistic-looking people or events." The company mandates the disclosure be "clear and conspicuous" on the video, image or audio content. Such disclosure language could be "this video content was synthetically generated," or "this audio was computer generated," the company said.
A disclosure wouldn't be required if AI tools were used in editing techniques, like resizing or cropping, or in background edits that don't create realistic interpretations of actual events.
FREE MARKETS
Minneapolis environmentalists aren't the only ones trying to make their local housing supply problem worse. Activists in nearby Michigan are agitating for rent control. Michigan Radio reports:
Hundreds of people gathered at the state Capitol Tuesday to demand rent control and other measures to reduce the cost of rent.
William Walker is a Lansing community activist. He says the rapidly rising cost to rent in many Michigan cities, especially since the COVID-19 pandemic, is forcing people out of their homes and apartments.
"It is forcing them out of their communities. It's breaking up families. It is just devastating," said Walker.
Michigan lawmakers are readying a bill that would end the state's ban on localities adopting rent control.
It's part of a trend.
Massachusetts legislators are also trying to put an initiative on the ballot that would end that state's preemption of local rent control measures. Meanwhile, the Biden administration is soliciting comments on whether it should impose rent control on properties with a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac–backed mortgage.
It's all part and parcel of an ongoing effort by policy makers, academics, and activists to rehabilitate the once rock-bottom reputation of rent control. I've argued before (at length) that any honest assessment of rent control's effects finds that it reduces the supply and/or quality of housing.
QUICK HITS
• The New Yorker covers the efforts of the Cetacean Translation Initiative, or CETI, an effort by researchers to use artificial intelligence to talk to whales.
• Mexico's Supreme Court declared all criminal penalties on abortion unconstitutional and is requiring the country's federal health service to offer abortions on request.
• The San Francisco Chronicle reports that former Fox News host Steve Hilton is launching a ballot initiative campaign to significantly pare back who can sue to stop new housing under the state's notorious environmental review law. His proposed ballot initiative would also cap impact fees charged to developers.
• This was officially the world's hottest summer.
• Republicans pounce…on returning mask mandates in schools.
• A federal judge has ordered Texas to remove floating border barricades it had installed in the Rio Grande.
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...an effort by researchers to use artificial intelligence to talk to whales.
Skynet starts by subverting Greenpeace.
They should record the sounds of off-shore wind farms. Maybe they're telling the whales to beach themselves.
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Won’t let me link to Shellenberger’s twitter, but yes.
Sounds more like Greenpeace subverting Skynet.
Google's latest rule update—which also applies to YouTube video ads—requires all verified advertisers to prominently disclose whether their ads contain "synthetic content that inauthentically depicts real or realistic-looking people or events."
Hey, wait! Aren't all statements from politicians "synthetic content that inauthentically depicts real or realistic-looking people or events" ?
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Yeah, but we have a LOT of old fart politicians that have no idea how to use a computer to generate their bullshit.
Not a problem you share.
Mike thinks politicians don’t have a staff.
On the plus side if they're successful, Captain Kirk and company won't have to travel back in time to 1980s San Fransisco to bring a couple of humpback whales to the future to stop the space probe from destroying Earth for our environmental sins. We'll just be able to stop the probe by tricking it into thinking humpbacks are still there.
At least Kirk and Spock won't have to use The Universal Translator to learn how to talk all street and 'hood and shit!
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Double Dumbass On You!
https://youtu.be/OcC1f1jqCPI?si=4Ch2pod-lMul_E5R
This was officially the world's hottest summer.
And then the writers' strike happened.
In the immortal words of Al Czervik, "Hey everybody, we're all gonna get laid!"
Who'd want to get laid with Hollywood writers, especially when they fear AI? Skip the bottle and go right for the rock with sexbots.
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This was officially the world’s hottest summer.
I’m sure the “”World Meteorological Organization” would never
cherry pick datalie with statistics to push globalist agendas."One Hot Summer?" The last three years in major cities have been a replay of that.
Referencing this:
"Long, Hot Summer" of 1967--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long,_hot_summer_of_1967
Isn’t there an undersea volcano kicking up tons of water vapor that was driving a lot of the temperature rise?
Also, they’re citing the month of August, which was certainly hot, but until about mid-July, weather in my area was exceedingly mild. On July 4 weekend I was barely even running the AC in Georgia.
In a lot of parts of the country is was a cooler summer than average. Some areas had bad heat waves this year (though still not as bad as the 30s).
Also, records don't go back too far and we know there has been a slow, gradual warming trend for several decades at least. Of course there are going to be record years.
Yes, note that the article is very specific about "the hottest summer ever recorded on modern equipment" for the precise claim. One presumes that equipment from the 1930s would not be considered "modern". Also, they didn't tend to take the measurements in the middle of paved parking lots in the middle of cities in the 1930s.
The equipment was accurate back then (1930's). Just no Bluetooth or heat index BS. Just sayin'.
Not nearly enough asphalt either.
Or jets running at airports.
"Today is a record setting day for temperature, with today being the hottest day since last night."
On July 4th we struggled to even reach 60°F here on the Northern Plains. Our average temps are in the upper 80s lower 90s for that time of year. Yesterday morning it was only 35°F when I left for work, about 20 degrees below average lows. We've only had a couple days this summer that reached the upper 90s and only one day that reached 100. We usually have week long periods of temperatures this high each summer. Harvest is weeks behind schedule due to abnormally cool and wet summer. Planting was over a month behind schedule due to the extremely cool spring. Leaves started turning in Mid-August. Migratory Birds are already flocking up for migration. River level are higher than average and temperatures are significantly cooler than average. The cool season grasses that make up the bulk of our range are still green (usually they're barely better than straw by Labor Day). But yeah, hottest summer on record. We'll go with that.
I'll be watching to see if the Rockies have another wet winter this year. Another season like last year and they might actually be able to fill up Powell and Mead again for the first time in over 20 years.
Yeah, I didn't plant my garden until late June because it was so cold and damp. I can't believe how much people are buying the alarmism this year. There are people at work talking about the weather as if a week of upper 80s temps is somehow anomalous in early September.
The high on labor day here was 61° F. That's far below average.
People tend to forget September is mostly a summer month.
Being homeless and pooping on the sidewalk causes no environmental damage.
Just watch out for your (human) carbon footprint.
And suburban sprawl does less environmental damage than high density housing.
Lol.
Not to mention the enhancement to the quality of life from spending several hours a day driving.
Also, when environmentalists take a private jet the unicorn farts envelope them and cause a net negative carbon footprint.
Republicans pounce…on returning mask mandates in schools.
It's fertile pouncing grounds.
The GOP should switch their sigil to Tigger.
You know what that rhymes with and they're already Literally Hitlers.
The most wonderful thing about hitler is that he's the only one?
Well not according to the dems
Trigger? I think that's a snowflake thing, really...
Home runs?
They absolutely should pounce on that bullshit. It should be in every single campaign ad, with all of the receipts from all of the doctors and scientists who show that it's a pointless virtue signal that does more harm than good.
How dare you! All the good you need to know is how it helps Democrats get elected, and then expands the power of official.
Ignore science in favor of "The Science™".
Is this going to be one of those things were they say they are thinking about doing something, the other side gets upset that it might happen, the first side says they aren't doing it and then eventually they do it anyway? We've been having a lot of those lately.
We’ve been having a lot of those lately.
Ah yes, the standard template:
1. [Bad Thing] isn't really happening and anyone who claims otherwise is just an "EVIL RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORIST!"
2. OK, [Bad Thing] is happening, but not as much as those "EVIL RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" claim.
3. OK, OK, [Bad Thing] is happening and as much as those "EVIL RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" claim, but really [Bad Thing] is actually a [Good Thing] because [idiotic reasons backed up with various cherry picked statistics, unsupported assertions, and bald faced lies].
https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/
The Law of Salutary Contradiction
Which brings us to the Law of Salutary Contradiction, whose formulation is: “That’s not happening and it’s good that it is.” While the Law of Merited Impossibility applies to the future, this one is about the present. It’s what the ruling class immediately switches to after what they insisted would “never” happen is happening before everyone’s eyes.
Is the NSA spying on Tucker Carlson? That’s an insane conspiracy theory … which is also warranted by Tucker’s treasonous contacts with Russian officials as he seeks an interview with Putin.
Is the Biden Administration inviting in illegal immigrants, then putting them on military planes and shipping them to the heartland? Absolutely not … and these future Nobel Prize winners deserve their shot at the American Dream.
Once you learn to recognize this pattern, you see it everywhere. It is the cornerstone of ruling class rhetoric in the current year.
Are the masks pressing charges? Are masks going to have to join the me-to movement? All that pouncing.
Lefties really do hate everything about humanity, including its very existance.
That's hilarious.
As a teen I was a fan of Carl Sagan and Kurt Vonnegut who both helped form millions of us secular humanists. I have been told countless times by conservatives how they hate us secular humanists and why we should put our faith into the dusty old Middle East gods and empty sepulchers. It is truly conservatives who hate humanity.
"The death cult that is abortion + euthanasia + child mutilation, on line 2 for you sir"
“The death cult that is abortion”
Never mind if a few pregnant women die here and there.
What a weak excuse.
There is an exception for this scenario, and you are trading deletion of thousands of lives for a theoretical (and untrue) risk to a mom.
Sorry, this is the weakest of all weak sauce arguments
"There is an exception for this scenario"
In some places. In other places, not.
You quite dramatic, judgemental and self-righteous declaration was, "death cult that is abortion." You didn't include an asterisk with a footnote that "Some abortions are OK, though."
Cite?
"quite dramatic, judgemental and self-righteous declaration was, “death cult that is abortion.” You didn’t include an asterisk with a footnote that “Some abortions are OK, though.”"
Ya, im of the old school safe, legal, rare camp. My "judgemental, self-righteous" attitude comes from the fact that they took my above stated support for people to make good choices in uncommon scenarios, and rolled that into "actually we are just going to use this as birth control if we want to, and also we wont accept ANYTHING short of the ability for abortion until baby passes the birth canal"
So ya, its not my fault they morphed into a cult of immoral beasts, though I suppose I did probably enable them.
The old school safe, legal, rare camp didn’t go around accusing people of being in a “death cult”. That is the rhetoric of anti-abortion extremists who are the mirror image of the pro-abortion extremists.
Whoosh!
What percentage of abortions are done to save the mother? Is it even 5%? You are so incredibly dishonest.
Less than 1% if we limit it to truly life threatening, rather than life inconvenience, conditions.
Every state in the US with an abortion ban has an exception for life of the mother. This is *really* easy to disprove if I'm wrong, since you only need one counterexample, but there isn't one.
But some where the standard is life of the mother is at risk, not that in the doctor’s judgement the health of the mother is at risk. This leads to scenarios where it is unclear to doctors whether they can head off potential life threatening situations early. As has been written about right here at Reason.
Is it a few hundred thousand women a year? Half of those babies are female as well.
Now do the church of Gaia.
Pretty much includes every element that religions are based on, but without and of the forgiveness/redemption.
A cult of sadness, envy, and death
But death is the end goal for theists.
Theists live for false hopes.
Are you a "secular humanist" because there is no moral defense for diddling young children and that is kind of your thing?
Bet Epstein Island was full of "secular humanists" too
SPB is so jealous.
You are not a lefty, yet you take offense?
To you Ayn Rand is a "lefty" since she despised conservatives and campaigned against Reagan. Ayn Rand put the individual first.
So yeah, call us "lefties".
How do you know how I feel about Ayn Rand, and why is that important to you being a lefty? Is she the god of the religion you don't have? Is The Fountianhead its foundational text?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
How many times are you going to get schooled on Ayn Rand which you have showed a complete lack of knowledge in regards to. Repeating one line found on leftist sites does not make you knowledgeable about her thoughts.
In addition to being a congenital liar, turd is abysmally stupid.
Nice deflection pedo.
A secular humanist poem I just created off the top of my head:
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Obama's a faggot
And so are you.
How is the impeachment going, Mikey?
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
You were banned for posting links to kiddie porn.
Environmentalists have NOTHING to do with that judge’s decision. That judge is an R (appointed by an R gov) and his decision is entirely pro-R1-zoning and the usual homeowner-NIMBY.
Reason is just doing the usual deceitful shtick. As are the DeRp commenters here.
So the judge made his decision on his volition? The environmentalist's law suit had NOTHING to do with it?
As much to do with environmentalists as Landover Baptist Church or Westboro Baptist Church have to do with Baptists.
BTW – The ‘environmentalist group’ that originated the lawsuit is: a personal injury lawyer who runs it an adjunct professor at a law school – and – drumroll a team of four corporate lawyers who file lawsuits
That’s it. None of those lawyers are even ‘environmental’ lawyers. There is NOTHING remotely ‘environmental’ about this group. It is a scam by some lawyers who want to wet their beak. And you and Reason fall for that shit because it suits your narrative and the 'proper' heroes and villains.
And you found one exception to the common circumstance.
Fuck off and die.
No Republicans have bought into the climate change nonsense? Really?
Presumably, the people this increased housing is for are already living, breathing human beings that have already been called into existence. This is the real problem. The building applications should be used to create hit lists of people to target for elimination by any means necessary. The courts should further require the city to place phony ads for roommates wanted and whoever shows up should be eliminated also. The bodies of these excess people should be returned to the environment either through rendering them into Soylent Green or be used to fertilize planters around the city to grow vegetables in.
Jonathan Swift is applauding your comment from his grave.
Cite?
Reason should cover Biden's interior departments cancelling of already awarded oil leases in Alaska, in an area specifically created by law for oil exploration, in defiance of the law and not following the legal procedures required by the DOI. This decision puts 7 billion barrels of domestically produced oil exploration (which is fully supported by the local native tribes in the area) off limits for production in an area specifically created for production. But hey those evil Republicans are protesting worthless mask mandates and Minneapolis is reaping the rewards of catering to the leftists for decades.
Judge Rules Minneapolis' Zoning Reforms Are Getting Too Much Housing Built
Isn't this like Senator "Fritz" Hollings years ago saying that there's "Too much consumin'" going on among taxpayers? The lady didst protest too much, methinks.
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This was officially the world's hottest summer.
Totally not true.
“The dog days of summer are not just barking, they are biting,” United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said in a statement. “Climate breakdown has begun.”
Translation - We want more money and we want to starve you to death.
Zealots one and all.
Also in the translation: Whitey must pay reparations and then die.
Am I still Whitey if I get a tan from all those hot days?
“The dog days of summer are not just barking, they are biting,” United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said in a statement. “Climate breakdown has begun.”
Regardless of the long time claims, it ain't a wolf.
It's a small dog which will make a mess if you let it get into your garbage cans.
ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS
I clicked a link the other day
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/climate-breakdown-has-begun-globe-swelters-to-hottest-summer-on-record-new-data-shows/ar-AA1glpMY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=204a144649b64c79aa8029f2ec25b598&ei=52#image=AAVllRG|15
Included in that is a slideshow, with each slide depicting some supposedly climate-change related event. But with a twist…
One of those didn’t quite seem to match the theme, but USA Today got their dig in. Plus, the photo accompanying that caption was of a wildfire-torn hellscape, adding to the not-so-subtle insult.
Here’s the captions for the slides:
After years of very little rainfall, the lagoon sits dry and cracked in Suesca, Colombia, Feb. 17, 2021. The basin which is dependent on runoff has suffered severe deforestation and erosion, which together with the added impact of climate change has led to a significant reduction of its water level.
Cars are stranded in a Walmart parking lot after a flash flood in Nashville, Tenn., on March 28, 2021. Weather extremes, as well as drought, wildfire, flooding and diminished air quality, will increase in frequency and intensity in North America as global warming accelerates, according to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
People stand in front of Kemerkoy Thermal Power Plant with a blaze from a wildfire approaching in the background, in Milas, Mugla, Turkey, Aug. 3, 2021. A panel of scientists convened by the UN has published a report on the impacts of climate change on the planet, including on the natural world and human civilization.
In this file photograph taken on Oct. 4, 2021, a child wears a float as he swims in floodwaters of a neighborhood in Ayutthaya, Thailand, after tropical storm Dianmu caused flooding in 31 provinces across the country.
In this file photograph taken on Oct. 27, 2021, a man works at the Rhone Glacier which is partially covered with insulating foam to prevent it from melting due to global warming near Gletsch, Switzerland.
Young Republicans are the top driving force in the Sunshine State when it comes to shifting beliefs in climate change, according to a study conducted by Colin Polsky of Florida Atlantic University.
In this file photograph taken on Oct. 16, 2017, a woman walks on the beach in Quiberon, western France, as the sky turned a yellow-ochre color due to sand from the Sahara desert and dust from wildfires in Portugal being carried by winds from Storm Ophelia.
In this file photograph taken on Aug. 15, 2021, a bystander looks at wildfires tearing through a forest in the region of Chefchaouen in northern Morocco.
This file photograph taken on Sept. 21, 2021, shows a view of Nordenskiold glacier melting and collapsing in the ocean, near Pyramiden, in Svalbard, a northern Norwegian archipelago.
An elderly man stands by a tube well buried in water during high tide in Pratap Nagar, in Shyamnagar region of Satkhira district, Bangladesh on Oct. 5, 2021. A United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report released on Monday, Feb. 28, 2022, says a staggering 143 million people will be uprooted over the next 30 years by rising seas, searing temperatures and other climate calamities.
In this file photograph taken on May 27, 2021, waves lash over onto a damaged shoreline after Cyclone Yaas hit India’s eastern coast in the Bay of Bengal, at a beach in Shankarpur.
Jungle stands next to an area that was burnt due to wildfires near Porto Velho, Brazil, Friday, Aug. 23, 2019. The United Nations on Monday, Feb. 28, 2022, released a new report on climate change.
A military truck drives through the water on a flooded toll road following heavy rains in Jakarta, Indonesia, Feb. 20, 2021. A United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report released on Monday, Feb. 28, 2022, says a staggering 143 million people will be uprooted over the next 30 years by rising seas, searing temperatures and other climate calamities.
Mohamed Mohamud, a ranger from the Sabuli Wildlife Conservancy, looks at the carcass of a giraffe that died of hunger near Matana Village, Wajir County, Kenya, Monday, Oct. 25, 2021.
Mud and debris surround damaged homes after Hurricane Ida in Ironton, Louisiana, on Sept. 19, 2021. Weather extremes like this — as well as drought, wildfire, flooding and diminishing air quality — will increase in frequency and intensity in North America the coming years as global warming accelerates, according to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report.
Christian did a bit of a cheeky summation of the article that was linked; it actually says "officially recorded," which is a big difference. Otherwise, the period of time in Earth's development when it was basically a molten ball a few billion years ago would be the main contender for hottest day.
"Officially recorded" specifically on "modern equipment", so they can ignore the 1930s, as well.
If a hot day falls in the forest and there are no progs around to scream for new controls, did it really even happen?
A federal judge has ordered Texas to remove floating border barricades it had installed in the Rio Grande.
What if they turned them into dual purpose migrant barriers and hydroelectric generators?
The judge made his decision, now let him enforce it.
We’re heading in that direction.
Get rid of the condom that represents a canon on the "Come and take it" flag, replace it with anal beads that represent floating border barricades.
That gives me an idea. How about protecting the border with miles-wide treadmills, connected to electrical generators? Hopeful, and energetic, immigrants can think they are making progress heading north, and actually contribute to our society.
Texas should deploy their national guard and order them to fire on anyone that comes to remove the barrier.
Granted that one winter they should have ignored the epa and turned on their coal plants and if the epa came kill them all
Guess so. When one generates hydroelectric power one typically constructs an obstacle perpendicular to the flow of the river rather than parallel.
When one generates hydroelectric power one typically constructs an obstacle perpendicular to the flow of the river rather than parallel.
This is very incorrect bud
They construct damns parallel to the flow of rivers?
I’m going to guess that you are thinking of the way flow rate is measured, by the quantity of water that flows across a (sometimes imaginary) line perpendicular to the flow of the river. The flow itself, not the flow rate measurement, follows the path of the river, of course. (Even the word "course" in "of course" backs that up.)
Dams aren't the only source of water power generation dumdum.
Should we tell him about tide generators?
Water wheels
Who would be able to? He’s got us all muted.
The other day, Mike couldn't understand the difference between freedom of speech and protection from the consequences of one's speech. Today Mike can't understand the difference between a dam and a hydro-electric generator.
Note: This was Mike trying to snark about a fucking joke, and he came off as an ignorant clown.
Haha, you ignorant fuck.
I guess a lot of dams are perpendicular to river flow, but hydroelectric generators themselves operate parallel to river flow in general.
I think people are being a bit too particular in this case. He clearly was referring to dams as the perpendicular obstacles.
Who cares? He's a retard, so fuck him jumping in on any thread to shit it up.
If everyone just ignored him the thread would be a lot less shitted up. Just sayin'.
But he was being a know-it-all while being factually incorrect.
But dams are only one type of hydroelectric generators and there are several different forms being developed or already in use that don't require dams to operate. His attempt at pedantry fails because it's factually incorrect (dams are not the generators just make generation more efficient in that particular form). Since he chose to sophistry to counter the arguments he totally opened himself to pedantry in return.
They create a flow in a side or separated channel, and then in that channel they put some kind of turbine or water wheel perpendicular to the flow. There is no other possible way for hydro power to work.
Anyway, we aren’t really disagreeing about how it works, since you added the qualifier “in general”, which is saying the same thing as I talked about a side or separated flow channel.
Getting back to the topic being discussed, sticking a bunch of buoys in the middle of a river, with their axes oriented parallel to the river flow, ain’t going to generate any power.
I have never seen a water wheel perpendicular to the flow, not sure how it would turn. Here is a picture for reference.
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/ancient-water-wheel-within-serene-and-scenic-river-gm612238120-105414739
Poor mike,
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/263671753165465214/
Attach a few fish monitors and turn management over to Texas Fish and Game and call it a fish survey tool.
There has to be some threatened or endangered fish in the Rio Grande they can claim to be studying.
The usual suspects don’t like hydro either. “BREACH NOW” say the yard signs here in WA.
So, no.
And I'm sure those same idiots support the states green energy drive that is only possible because of how much electricity is produced in the Columbia basin. Doubt they've taken time to look up the energy production mixture of Avista.
Maybe Avista should change their name back to Washington Water Power, then maybe they would understand.
Mexico's Supreme Court declared all criminal penalties on abortion unconstitutional and is requiring the country's federal health service to offer abortions on request.
When the Catholics lose Spanish-speakers.
Well Trump said the Mexicans weren't sending their best and brightest.
Now the country will have more room to keep the people who are currently just passing through! And really, aren't there already enough Mexicans in the world?
Michigan lawmakers are readying a bill that would end the state's ban on localities adopting rent control.
Let it be municipals instead of the state blamed for destroying the market.
A disclosure wouldn't be required if AI tools were used in editing techniques, like resizing or cropping, or in background edits that don't create realistic interpretations of actual events.
Phew. I can still turn my opponent's benign photo malignant with a negative filter and slow zoom-in.
Or hire a voice actor to overdub the words.
Anyways, bogus AI-generated video is starting to show up every now and then on X.
(And, no, I don’t have any cites bookmarked.)
Cite?
Yeah, unrealistic interpretations of actual events and realistic interpretations of imaginary events are still in.
Google's idiotic policies are generated by artificial intelligence. Prove me wrong.
A reminder as to the left-wing hive mind present at Reason. Not even ENB (biggest shitlib here) but the links are from:
The New Yorker
CNN politics
The AP (multiple)
Politico
SF chronicle
Garbage in, garbage out
Like how you excluded the Free Beacon link from your list because it didn’t fit the picture you are trying to paint.
And no acknowledgement Britschgi didn’t make even a single anti-conservative argument in his morning blog post.
Cite?
Caw caw!
ENB likes authentic journalism. Good for her.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Reminder. Shrike thinks Media Matters is non partisan and that Adam Schiff is the most honest politician.
"This was officially the world's hottest summer."
Yet anyone can look online at the weather records themselves and see that globally it's no hotter this year than the last decade, and there were hotter summers in the 30's, 50's and 70's.
This is a gaslighting campaign against lazy idiots of horrific proportions.
And those hot summers follow along with the solar cycle .
I am waiting for the climate cultists to Heaven's Gate themselves in the name of climate crisis instead of trying to starve out the rest of us.
They can be the carbon they want to eliminate.
Im honestly just bored with rehashing the conversation with zealots. They are brainwashed. Ive moved on to "OK, so that isnt real, but say I agree with you, which I dont, what do you want to do about it?"
Their solution never involves them changing their lives AT ALL. Its always GND pie in the sky bullshit, but they dont want to give up their cars, their electricity use, their AC, or any of their comforts. 'The govt' needs to do the GND, 'people' need to be more carbon neutral, and they have no solution for how we force China, India, and the entire developing world from using the most economically sound form of energy...
...oh and also if we stopped 100% of carbon generation in all western countries it wouldn't make a dent, wouldn't make a difference, and China would laugh all the way to the bank about it (while not changing anything at all).
This is their religion, their purpose in life. They dont have God, they are mostly anxious, miserable, and depressed, and they need some purpose. This is them saying their prayers, worrying about the rapture, etc.
But you're a Trump Cultist and Bible/Koran zealot.
Secular Humanism is a religion like starvation is a food group. We don't have a religion because we see things as they are.
We don’t have a religion because we see things as they are.
Now that is hilarious.
"We don’t have a religion because ..."
Sure you don't kiddo. You just have the original sin, calls for austerity, magical thinking, cult like behavior, self-flaggelation, rituals (have you seen some of the stuff that goes on at the climate gatherings?!) etc. Yup, everyone definitely believes you 😉
Oh also, the strongest possible religious affiliation I would identify with is agnostic, as my pesky background in science won't let my brain fully rule out a thing without absolute proof....but im basically an atheist.
Also I really dislike Trump, I just see the left as the threat they are.
What else ya got chump?
He also believes in child rape like Mohammed and Catholic priests.
Fuck you, liar.
It's your clergy men that are the vile child molesters.
Kids are more likely to be sexually abused by your shitlib teacher allies than they are by priests.
^this.
At least Catholics and the religious right actively denounced the pedo priests.
Left-wing orthodoxy either covers for or actively encourages it
needs it for successful long term plans.
Well, if you don't count the Catholics who weren't covering up the pedophilia.
[Disclaimer: Don't agree with Buttplug's statement that Catholics are "the" child molestors. There are, of course, child molestors in many different places.]
Just so the analogy continues to track, are the Catholics who helped cover up the pedophilia the teachers, teachers unions, MSM, or just bog standard democrat voters here?
Just for clarification as to scope and scale.
Goal posts moved!
Honesty, I’m not Catholic and don’t know about the Catholic pedophilia in enough detail to know if Catholic publications, Catholic school teachers, and regular old civilian Catholics helped in the cover ups or turned a blind eye.
From my limited reading on the subject, I know that high-level officials such as bishops were guilty of covering up what was going on.
Don't be so quick to leave out the dancing trannies. They demand a child filled audience.
Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 21 hours ago
climate change is not an emergency.
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Well, that is just pure ignorance on Stossel’s part. My reply is far more accurate and frustrating to progressives:
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Climate pollution is so dire and entrenched in modern life that the only remedy will be found in innovation via capitalism. Any country that attempts to mitigate global heating without private innovation is doomed.
My comment yesterday. Is this "magical thinking"?
Absolutely. Capitalism is the pursuit of money. The environment is tertiary to those pursuits at best.
Yet capitalists societies tend to have better environments than socialists. Wonder why that is? Is it because customers care about the environment thus capitalists have to care about the environment and adjust business practices to keep their customers? Or is it because caring about the environment tends to go hand in hand with wealth and capitalists societies are by far the wealthiest.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
It is possible to accept the reality of climate change without demanding the government do something about it. Or to put it another way, it's possible to disagree on the "solution" to climate change without denying that it is happening.
Read your statement. It is passive religious, but still based on faith and faith only.
Faith is believing in something without evidence. Like the election being stolen for example. However there is plenty of evidence that human activity is changing the climate. The religious part is the belief that it’s going to cause the end of civilization if we don’t hand our lives over the government. So it is possible to accept reality without demanding solutions from government. This idea that anyone who says climate change is real must also want the government to do something is just false. Yes they intersect on a Venn diagram, but that doesn't mean they're the same. There are people who accept climate change without wanting the government to do something, and there are people who are just looking for an excuse for the government to do something.
You don't think religious people see evidence of their faith everywhere? The problem with faith is people find things to justify it and call it evidence. Sometimes even make it up out of whole cloth. The temperature record has been adjusted so many times it is complete garbage. And all the adjustments go only one way, cool the past, heat the present.
From what I've seen people who oppose the proposed "solutions" to climate change say they're not needed because climate change isn't real. Then they seek out information to back up their claim. My point is that you can oppose the proposed "solutions" while also accepting reality.
You accept the problem uncritically, that humans are causing climate change. Here is the reality about your evidence.
https://realclimate.science/alterations-to-the-us-temperature-record/#gsc.tab=0
If you are unmoved by that, find sources you trust and answer the following questions:
How much forcing can CO2 do?
Of all CO2 emissions, natural and
man made, what % is man made?
How long does man made CO2 remain in the atmosphere?
You're missing the part where I don't care. Rising CO2 and rising temperatures could turn out to be a good thing. Or it could be a bad thing. Either way we as a species will adapt. Hopefully without the environmentalists using it as an excuse for government to fuck everything up.
Yet you accept the reality> of man made climate change?
I accept that the greenhouse effect is real and that CO2 levels are rising as a result of human activity. That's it. Full stop. I do not think we need to adjust our lifestyles and have government tell people what to do for their own good. Does that compute?
Why do you believe this? Because the experts said so?
https://journals.lww.com/health-physics/Fulltext/2022/02000/World_Atmospheric_CO2,_Its_14C_Specific_Activity,.2.aspx
I do not believe the conspiratorial nonsense stuff. Like for example some people say it's all a big hoax perpetrated by hundreds of thousands of co-conspirators for the purpose of establishing a one-world government. I think they're missing the point here and doing themselves a disservice. If you can separate the problem from the proposed solutions, you can oppose solutions while accepting science.
But the actual science says it is a crock. It isn't a cabal bent on world domination. It is a few self important asshats who aren't good at anything that demand attention, while the polictical class is always looking for a crisis to take advantage. Science has always had their vocal chicken littles. If you haven't figured that out from Fauci and Covid, you never will.
Science has always had their vocal chicken littles.
Yes, I totally agree. Those are the ones saying that climate change is a threat to humanity. Again, those are two separate things. It’s possible to accept that millions of scientists are correct about CO2 and the greenhouse effect, and wrong about needing to restructure society to save the planet from ourselves.
It's not a package deal.
Sarc, what is the biggest green house gas? Do you even know what it is?
What's the absorption factor for heat in a doubling of carbon, you can even use ideal gas equations. Does it match the warming from models? If not why do the models have a different output of temperatures in their projections?
Do you know the fundamental basics of the argument?
JesseAz, I'm not making an argument in favor of climate change. I'm separating the science from the alarmism.
By the way I am familiar with both sides of the arguments. At this point I’ve decided that opposition to the science is actually opposition to the proposed solutions. But instead of focusing on the government overreach that climate zealots want, they instead attack the credibility of the scientific community. That doesn’t do them any favors because they’re just plain wrong. About the science anyway. They are correct in that a totalitarian state is a bad idea, no matter what the excuse is. So I say oppose the totalitarian state, not the science.
In summary, I oppose any totalitarian government, no matter what the excuse is, while accepting that the greenhouse effect is real and that burning fossil fuels is exacerbating it.
I am able to separate the two.
Can you?
Yet you attempt to denigrate any counter argument to climate alarmism with...
From what I’ve seen people who oppose the proposed “solutions” to climate change say they’re not needed because climate change isn’t real.
Instead you appear to agree with those you are attempting to criticize.
because climate change isn’t real.
Give a citation for this sarc. The argument is the climate has always changed and that there isn't a climate emergency.
Part of religion though is lying about the motivations and statements of others to prove your faith to others. This is exactly what you are doing.
I can guarantee you I know more about climate science than you and don't have to repeat idiotic talking points to prove my case that we are not in an existential crisis. You are relying on blind faith without inspection of the arguments, a faith.
Part of religion though is lying about the motivations and statements of others to prove your faith to others. This is exactly what you are doing.
No, that is not what I am doing. I am drawing a distinction between observational science and climate alarmism. The only liar here is you, putting words into my mouth as usual.
Yes there is overlap between scientists and alarmists. But not everyone who believes in the science is sees government as the solution, and many who want the latter see the science as merely an excuse.
It takes a mendacious moron like yourself to insist that they are one in the same.
That said, I think Sarc's point is relevant.
You aren't going to talk a kid out of a cult by insisting to him that he is a deluded moron. It might make you feel better about yourself, but it isn't going to advance the debate.
If even 10-20% of the people who accepted the Faith of AGW also accepted (as Sarc points out) that we don't need a totalitarian state to address that problem, there would be no risk to us at all. And telling those people they are deluded is not going to win them over.
The problem is that science has become political.
If you accept the science, then you must also support this political solution.
If you don’t like the political solution, then you must also disbelieve the science.
Wait a minute… What? Does not follow. In either case.
But isn't that how people operate?
The problem is that science has become political.
That is a huge problem in all kinds of areas (as we've seen plenty of in recent years). Stopping government funding of science, or at least government being involved in deciding who gets funded seems like an important first step. The fact that government agencies control the majority of research funding is a very big problem for science.
The very people that sarc is attempting to criticize are those who believe we don't need government solutions. That is my problem with his statements. He walked it back after being called out. He literally used one of the primary climate cultists talking points.
There are low-information dipshits on all sides of political debates. There really are people who go around saying "climate change is a hoax" without much further nuance. No sense denying that that exists. But I don't think that's representative of climate skeptics at all either and most people either question to degree to which human activity contributes or the severity of what is likely to happen.
Questioning the proposed solutions is where sarc's point really matters. No matter what the actual facts are (which I don't think we really know at this point), the solutions are going to cost enormous amounts and almost certainly have little or no effect on outcomes. That's what we need to hammer on. Is it better for people to be poorer and have fewer options with a changing climate or richer and freer with a changing climate? Those are the realistic options.
"You don’t think religious people see evidence of their faith everywhere? "
It's funny you say that. I found a Climate Change shaped cheeto just the other day. I think I can sell it on ebay for a couple thousand.
Faith is believing in something without evidence.
That's exactly what I said. You may not advocate for government intervention to enforce your belief system, but you do nothing to curb the zealots in their quest for Sharia Law.
My point is that it’s possible to accept the reality of climate change without it being a fucking belief system!
This is like trying to explain atheism to a religious person who insists that a lack of faith is faith.
“You have faith that there’s no God, so your Atheism is a religion!”
“Um, no. I just said I have no faith.”
“So you have faith that there’s not a God!”
“No, that’s not what I said.”
“But you must have faith! If you believe that there’s no God, that’s faith!”
“I’m sorry but I can’t continue this conversation.”
What would be an example of something sarcasmic should be doing to "curb the zealots"? And do you do those things?
The Venn diagrams in Idaho Bob's mind are a bit wonky. Take for example the last paragraph of his comment above:
"This is their religion, their purpose in life. They dont have God, they are mostly anxious, miserable, and depressed, and they need some purpose. This is them saying their prayers, worrying about the rapture, etc."
If he had said that climate activism is like a religion for many people, it would be an accurate, defensible observation. But he goes way beyond a reasonable observation, claiming that people who believe in climate change "don't have God" and a bunch of other presumed universal character traits.
And, of course, he also has a Venn diagram in his head that says that anyone who is ever critical of conservatives must be a liberal.
Not my quote asshole.
You are just wrong on every level.
You are right. I apologize. I misattributed Mike Parson's quote to you.
You tried so hard.
Did you stop doing your [Disclaimer] schtick?
Too many of those horrid CACLLs (he coined the term, and was so proud of it) made fun of him about it. He's a sensitive little bitch.
DEE YOU BITCH!
Not for conservatives.
They are invested in the culture wars. They are losing the culture wars and are turning to terrorism just like their Islamo-fascist brethren.
Who knew that the pooner who shot up that school in Nashville was a conservative?
why do you think she/he wore that MAGA-red hat?
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
It is not possible for the Mises crowd to do that. This comes straight from Herman Hoppe and Rothbard and even, in a milder form, the very Methodenstreit origins of Austrian school.
Any argument that is not libertarian is by definition logically incoherent. Any fact that might buttress that argument is therefore unreasonable and unacceptable. Even worse if that fact leads one into empiricism or statistical analysis. It is always a potential/risk of a priori thinking.
It is why that crowd are the perfect permanent denialists. There is no amount of empirical evidence that can change an adherent's mind. Any attempt by someone else to do so - which means accepting those narrative-contradicting facts - can only be a conspiracy to suppress. Hence why the naturally conspiracy oriented flock to that sort of idea.
There is no possibility of any of these folks to 'learn' from experience - which would be the only reason to accept facts from outside the a priori argument.
As opposed to JFear who will look at a graph and insist that it says what he wants it to say instead of what it means. Totes Empirical, JFear.
https://reason.com/2022/08/19/incompetent-people-are-often-too-incompetent-to-realize-just-how-incompetent-they-are-says-new-study/?comments=true#comment-9662173
Note that thread is full of exactly the same hubris that JFear is demonstrating here. He is sure that the Science is on his side, and that he has the Bad Guys psycho-analyzed through and through. He is SO sure that he will serve up data that undermines his own argument and insist that he is the rational empiricist...right up until he realizes that the data doesn't prove his point and might actually contradict it...Then it is all about telling us how silly it is to use the data JFear presented us.
This phenomenon of JFear claiming to be data-driven and empirical while accusing others of only accepting data that meets their preconceived worldviews is what many might refer to as "Projection".
That's a summary that clearly exists in your head but not in that thread. But hey - you do you.
Riiiight, JFear. This was you:
“The first example of a roughly 20-year projection in that was a projection that global temperature would increase by 0.4C to 1.1C from 1990 to 2025. Not quite 2025 yet but it looks like the increase is 0.7C so far. IOW – right in the fucking middle of the projection. So chalk up one example of you’re fucking wrong. But amazingly confident that you are right. Which is – you know – kind of exactly what this article is about.”
Notice how smug you are in declaring that I was wrong on the science, and that your side had the data correct. Your key contention: that we had an increase of .7C, right in the middle of predictions.
That was wrong, of course, as you would later admit. And then you tried to call me a cherrypicker when I pointed out that USING YOUR METHOD the trend is actually .46, not .7C.
But sure, try to gaslight everyone. Maybe they won’t go read the link above and just trust that you aren’t full of shit. Maybe.
"Any argument that is not libertarian is by definition logically incoherent."
Setting aside whether JFear is in the midst of his typical projection (he is), just think about what JFear is doing here.
The libertarian framework is unable to answer empirical facts. Contrary to his hastily generalized description of Mises, et al, libertarian thought has no opinion on whether or not empirical data are "logically coherent" or not. A person can believe wholeheartedly that the world is flat, or they can believe it is round, and libertarianism has no verdict on the veracity of those claims.
Yeah, that was an even dumber statement than usual by Jfree. For a second there I was as confused as Dee reading a mad casual comment.
You are either deliberately or inadvertently turning what I said upside down.
Here is a search of stuff at Mises.org dealing with their view of 'empiricism' and 'statistics' the terms most akin to what I was saying. I'm not projecting a damn thing. You either know that and are lying or you don't know that because you either don't read or don't understand the whole Mises/Austrian stuff.
Second - the INTERNAL conflict among libertarians between 'pragmatists' and 'Rothbard/Rockwell caucus' (maybe radical caucus idk) types is almost entirely based on the difference in approach. 'Pragmatists' are overwhelmingly (like most Americans) empirical and evidence/fact based. It comes from the Anglo philosophical tradition. Are you trying to deny that such a conflict exists?
You are a fucking ignoramus and dishonest besides, incapable of arguing in good faith.
Get fucked with a running, rusty chainsaw.
"HERP DERP LOOK AT MY SRP!"
Your search results page proves nothing. The fact that you cannot understand the difference between rejecting empiricism as a moral guide and rejecting empiricism as invalid says more about you than anything else.
Let's make it a little easier for you: The Mises people don't reject climate science, they reject climate science as a foundation of moral or political imperative. You on the other hand just find data that agrees with what you WANT to be true- even if that means misreading a graph to your embarrassment- and then assume that having validated your bias, you've Scienced! your way to being Good.
But again. This is standard JFear. You will come to these comments and declare things like "Masks work in Asia!" and then be unable to show any data to back that up, and reject any data that tends to contradict that hypothesis. And by the time you have huffed and puffed and then slinked off in the hopes no one notices you abandoning a thread (again), you will still not understand that- wrong as you are- regardless of whether masking works, it doesn't answer any of the questions that matter.
And they get really pissy when you call it a religion to their face.
And you can make that assertion without one scintilla of evidence via a link. Don't worry. I won't expect you to ever link to anything.
You want a link to his anecdote?
This –
anyone can look online at the weather records themselves and see that globally it’s no hotter this year than the last decade
is not an anecdote. And yes – it sure as hell requires a link if it isto be considered a credible statement.
I posted a link to that above.
So you say. I sure as fuck am not gonna wander around through your supposed links in making my response to a different commenter (or maybe a sock of yours)
You people are so fucking dishonest in everything you say or do.
JFree- "And yes – it sure as hell requires a link if it isto be considered a credible"
Spiritus- "I posted a link to that above."
JFree- "I sure as fuck am not gonna wander around through your supposed links"
LMAO. Proving DAILY, that you are the ultimate clown. Dishonest and never arguing in good faith. A common trend among the lefties that come here (they have repeated this exact behavior as above)
Just for giggles, here you go. Lets check your honesty.
https://realclimate.science/alterations-to-the-us-temperature-record/#gsc.tab=0
That is not a temperature record. It is a BLOG. A personal blog. And specifically an article on a blog intended to argue that temperature records for the US have been altered. So even if that article is correct, it is not remotely what YOU characterize it as - to wit - anyone can look online at the weather records themselves and see that globally it’s no hotter this year than the last decade.
Normally I would just dismiss this. This is not a credible link. But I think it is clear that you DO think this is a credible source for what you assert. So I'm curious enough to go a BIT further.
First, just to assess meta info about the source - to clarify to myself how far a BIT goes. No surprise - this blog is clearly trying to imitate (read - deceive readers) a couple of different science/climate sources via its name. The difference is that those are actually science sources. The blog you link to is considered moderately conspiratorial and extremely quacky pseudo-science. That ain't good but hey I recognize that maybe that is only every other article on the site.
So I'm gonna look to see whether that article links to an actual temperature record. Or whether the whole thing is just a closed, self-referential circle jerk of conspiracy shit. Hey presto - there IS a real link to a temperature record. But YOU transparently did not read or even glance at that link. That link DOES confirm that a graph of US temperature records - 1880-2000 - from 1999 is a copy of a real temperature record for the US from a real source. But all the other graphs of 1880-2000 temperature - the GLOBAL ones - from that source show a big steady temperature increase over that timeframe.
So even if the premise of the article is correct, your notion about what that article leads to is completely wrong. And with that, I'm done wasting my time. This article is not remotely useful for what you say it is. The only value of this waste of time for me is that I understand a bit more how deeply into rabbit holes you all go - without even understanding them.
So even if the premise of the article is correct, your notion about what that article leads to is completely wrong.
How so, that the past (1930s) was warmer and the temperature record used to promote global warming is fraud? Prettt sure that blog lays out the data pretty well. You just don't like the data.
Or, he's entirely too stupid to understand.
Or both, I guess; he is a fucking ignoramus and dishonest besides. Kinda like turd.
The ‘US’ is not ‘GLOBAL’. From that temperature source – linked from that blog, the two (actually four because the global are split by latitude) graphs do not even remotely show the same thing.
The US graph may indicate that the 1930’s and 1990’s were similar. The global graphs indicate that the 1990’s were significantly higher temps than the 1930's AT ALL LATITUDES. It’s not even close.
Do you even understand the difference between ‘global’ and ‘US’? The blog isn’t not laying out data from global. It is explicitly laying out its case for interpreting US data. YOU are deliberately misinterpreting even what the blog is saying because you don’t understand the fucking difference between the US and global.
"So you say. I sure as fuck am not gonna wander around through your supposed links in making my response to a different commenter (or maybe a sock of yours)"
Sometimes your sophistry just knocks my socks off.
You will ignore all the citations unless I specifically provide you with those citations, even though you say I am a liar?
What kind of clown logic is that?
Do you honestly think anyone is going to read that and say "Oh, that totally makes sense and isn't a deflection"?
"Do you honestly think anyone is going to read that and say “Oh, that totally makes sense and isn’t a deflection”?"
What he did was the internet version of losing the game, crying, taking his ball and going home. Its painfully obvious to see, and he is embarrassed, again
I wish he would fucking go home and stop being a moron in public where I'm going to end up seeing it.
See above. You are a lying shitheel. Par for the course ain't it.
You didn't look at what it said, ignored the links to actual NASA, NOAA, NEI and mainstream sources backing exactly what was asserted here and dismissed it using a genetic fallacy about the aggregator.
But somehow you still claim everyone else here are the "lying shitheels" but not you.
Get bent, clown.
YOU DIDN’T LINK TO ANYTHING. The other guy did.
Yes you are a lying shit heel - and back on mute.
Somehow a blog linked to the temperature data, showing screen grabs of how the data has 'changed' is not showing the data. But I see he believes all the lefty critiques of the blog and its author without question. He said nothing that disputed the data presented.
"...and back on mute."
Oh NO! Muted by chicken little! What WILL you do?!
Jfree now ignoring data purposely, by his own admissions, because he doesn't like the format. Totally scientific there.
Sometimes you think these retards are having you on…
JFeels: “I sure as fuck am not gonna wander around through your supposed links in making my response to a different commenter”
Me: You will ignore all the citations unless I specifically provide you with those citations, even though you say I am a liar?
JFeels: “See above”
JFeels above: “That is not a temperature record. It is a BLOG. A personal blog.”
Me: “You didn’t look at what it said, ignored the links to actual NASA, NOAA, NEI and mainstream sources backing exactly what was asserted here and dismissed it using a genetic fallacy about the aggregator.
JFeels: “YOU DIDN’T LINK TO ANYTHING. The other guy did.”
No shit, the other guy did. I didn’t make the claim that I did you disingenuous twat.
And your still ignoring the citations… and now you’re using the Mike Laursen mute maneuver so you don’t have to actually read the cites and can run away while pretending everyone else is the disingenuous ones.
You guys are jokes.
"Muted by chicken little! What WILL you do?!"
Sarcasmic and White Mike pull the exact same little trick when they don't want to acknowledge citations that discredit their narratives.
They can be calling you all sorts of names and shouting down your argument, but give them a citation they can't refute and all of a sudden they're upset at everyone's tone and mute their interlocutors.
JFree was calling us names and casting aspersions on our arguments without any evidence or citations on his part, but the moment he got some citations against his beliefs, all of a sudden everyone else was the bully and he's not talking any more.
I really don't know if it's stunted development or emotional thinking or what, but somehow they think they can get away with it.
JFear is the blowhard that makes you end your coffee break early when you see him walking into the break room. You know that there won't be a single conversation in that room that won't have him declaring with utter certainty some shit that he thinks is true, but just ain't. Like an autistic Cliff Claven.
Show us on the doll where the people in your head touched you.
… anyone can look online ..
Appears not anyone.
A Minnesota judge ruled this week that Minneapolis must halt the implementation of a wide range of zoning reforms until it performs an environmental analysis...
I should have gone into the environmental impact study business.
Environmentalists have managed to reverse America's leading "yes in my backyard" (YIMBY) success story.
Yet more proof that Lefties hate humanity and want us all to be as miserable as possible.
Oh, wait, Spiritus Mundi already made that observation. Oh well, my point stands.
I also came here to post the now-obvious observation about the Global Green cabal. They might hate us and certainly want to degrade and diminish us. Whether or not they give a shit about Gaia, or just want a world dedicated to elite pleasures, including lording over a smaller servant class, does not matter.
Environmentalists: we all need to live in 20 minute cities to combat climate change.
Also environmentalists: dense urban areas need to be stopped due to environmental damages they might cause.
Einstein dies and goes to heaven, only to be informed that his room is not yet ready. "I hope you will not mind waiting in a dormitory. We are very sorry, but it's the best we can do and you will have to share the room with others," he is told by the doorman.
Einstein says that this is no problem at all and that there is no need to make such a great fuss. So the doorman leads him to the dorm. They enter and Albert is introduced to all of the present inhabitants. "See, here is your first roommate. He has an IQ of 180!"
"That's wonderful!" says Albert. "We can discuss mathematics!"
"And here is your second roommate. His IQ is 150!"
"That's wonderful!" says Albert. "We can discuss physics!"
"And here is your third roommate. His IQ is 100!"
"That's wonderful! We can discuss the latest plays at the theater!"
Just then another man moves out to capture Albert's hand and shake it. "I'm your last roommate. I'm sorry, but my IQ is only 80."
Albert smiles back at him and says, "So, you want to talk about the culture war?"
Einstein is a WEF globalist Jew to wingnuts. They hate his kind.
He probably voted for FDR. Damned traitor! /sarc
Man a lot of anger from the liberaltarians/neocons today.
Einstein became an American citizen in 1940, and I've seen nothing to indicate that he thought much about politics or economics, so he probably voted for FDR twice - like 53% of all Americans.
Soros would loot Einstein's home.
For a guy who said he doesn't identify as Jewish, Pluggo sure likes to scream anti-Semite at anyone who criticizes him.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Nobody buys your bullshit.
The left can’t meme.
Funny how you take that joke personally as a dig from the left, when it is calling both sides stupid.
There I was, in 2014, not even thinking about the culture war, when suddenly I was told we were literally killing trans people if a 200lb man couldn't be in the changing room with my tween daughter.
You do realize that you're freaking out over less than half a percent of the population, right?
*Stares at disconnect between my comment and your response*
Let me try again.
There I was, in 2014, not even thinking about the culture war, when suddenly I was told we were literally killing trans people if a 200lb man who is supposedly only half a percent of the population couldn’t be in the changing room with my tween daughter-- and we didn't change the nation's bathroom policy by Friday at 4pm.
Oh, and you're not keeping up with the Agrippa.
The trans movement itself claims that population is much, much, MUCH... MUUUUCH higher.
So... allow me to retort, you do realize that this "less than half a percent" of the population has devastated careers, caused Judges across the land to suddenly be unable to "define a woman", and resulted in major changes to Women's sports, right?
Stop victim blaming.
Talking about the culture war makes my head hurt.
As long as you keep your opinions in line, you won’t have to worry about it.
Edit: Oh, and I strongly... STRONGLY advise you stay self-employed, and keep up with your boosters.
I don't have any opinions because it is not important to me either way. That's why it makes my head hurt.
And that's fine.
Oh, and thankfully in Sweden, someone started to think about it, and as a result, they stopped-- or at least slowed down the assembly line of carving up children and removing parts before they were 18. All because someone stood up and said, "Hey, I've been thinking about this Culture War thing..."
I see sarc has a new tactic. He will bring up an arguement (in this case the kulture war!) and when it becomes untennable, claim he never really cared.
If I were a pithier writer out of the gate, I would have simply said, "The Culture War comes for you, whether you're thinking about it or not..."
I see sarc has a new tactic. He will bring up an arguement (in this case the kulture war!) and when it becomes untennable, claim he never really cared.
It was a joke. Lighten up, Francis.
It was a (unfunny) joke you made to posture as someone who is above the fray, putting you closer to Einstein than all the poor, dumb, low-IQ rubes. When in fact, you talk about the culture war daily, constantly.
Pour sarc.
That’s probably the hangover.
Sarc really is fucking stupid anymore. He has given up any fucking pretense at intellectually honest comments. But in the same breath he claims to want intellectually honest discussions. He's simply not worth the time to respond to anymore. He always was a bit of a simplistic thinker but now he doesn't even try.
"Oh, and you’re not keeping up with the Agrippa."
Too advanced, switch back to Capo Ferro.
Naturally, but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don’t you?
Oh, and you do realize that in England, people defining what a woman is have been investigated by the police? You do realize that, right? Right? RIGHT?
Do any of us on this forum live in England?
SRG2 does apparently.
So, not Diane/Paul, or anyone present today.
Today or in this thread?
https://reason.com/podcast/2023/09/07/why-we-cant-have-nice-things-can-you-afford-tariffs-on-tin-cans/?comments=true#comment-10226873
Odd moving of goal posts, and to what purpose?
Things that happen in other places are sometimes, even often, of interest to people who don't live there.
Of interest, sure. But, “of interest” implies some level of detachment and not freaking out.
We can only talk about issues where we live? What an odd rule Dee.
ML hardest hit.
Less than a ten thousandth of the population "almost ended democracy" according to you.
That actually happened to you, or you read about it somewhere?
Caw caw!
There I was in 2018, not even thinking about the Culture War, when I was told I was racist and required remedial diversity training from the HR department.
There Rosie Kay was, not even thinking about the Culture war, when a conversation over a dinner party about casting decisions ends up with her being forced out of her own company.
There most parents were in 2022, not even thinking about the culture war, when they had their kids come home from school talking about what pronoun they might like to go by, and what sexuality they might be.
Then they had the teachers and school boards label them as bigots if they didn't comply.
Making jokes about the culture war is talking about the culture war.
Just then, at the last second, another roommate shows up, reeking of booze. "My IQ is sub 40."
Einstein says, "Hi Sarc."
Are you related to Kimberly Guilfyle? How is "her" transition working out? Does Trump Jr suck her new dick? Or does she peg him?
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.
My screen name is based on a fictional character, while yours is based on a sextoy. Not sure why you have a 2 at the end of yours though, can you explain that?
Yes.
turd posted links to kiddy porn and got banned. He returned a week or so later with the "2" amended to his handle.
And now he lies about it like he lies about everything else.
I remember that.
Not sure why you have a 2 at the end of yours though, can you explain that?
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but it's never a bad time to remind everyone that he's pedophile whose original account was banned for posting links to child pron.
Won’t be long before giving birth without having filed an EIS will be grounds for after-birth mandated abortion.
Won’t be long before giving birth without having file an EIS will be grounds for after-birth mandated abortion.
I am seriously expecting a permitting process for childbirth, with POC's exempt.
They will try. They will couch it in terms of something other than race, and 50 years later, the Supreme Court will decide it's 25 years too much.
These are two rad-left entities tard-raging at each other. As long as their stupidity stays in the Twin Cities and doesn't pollute red areas, let them continue to degrade their shithole communities.
Another entry in a long line of the conservative victimhood narrative's going beyond curating real grievances to making up fantasy grievances.
Another entry in the long line of Mikey not recognizing a joke when it suits his purposes.
He just doesn't want you complaining about democrat policies ever.
A lot of partisan b.s. is defended with, “I was just joking.”
Everyone except Dee could tell that was a joke.
Hilarious. Thats what sarc does constantly including this thread.
Lol. The guy who feels the need to post disclaimers with his comments cuz people make soooo many unfair(!) assumptions about him is talking shit about “victimhood narratives”.
Give it up, laursen. You suck.
CETI
Oz is ever floating.
And the whales first words were "orange man bad"
My guess: "Whatever happed to Mcafee, he was good fun?".
That is funny as fuck. *cheers*
dude hilarious.
Fucking commie environmentalist, but I repeat myself.
The fact that the climate activist changed the way temperature is recorded has nothing to do with breaking the record
https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1699640666035294545
NYC Mayor Eric Adams expIodes:
The migrants will “destroy New York City” and “everyone will be impacted”
If only he knew who invited them in - - - - - - - - - -
They're a Sanctimonious City now.
Thats DeSanctimonious to you buddy.
The jobs Americans won’t do
https://x.com/speaksamuel/status/1699778278142144788
I wrote for @NRO about how a new Biden reg will shut farmers out of the H-2A program used to hire workers on agricultural visas. Farmers who can't afford to pay the tens of thousands of dollars in implementation costs will be shut out of the program.
Lot of these lefty politicians starting to sound like Trump.
Maybe that wall sounding a little better?
Invading hordes aren’t as bad as Orange Man, but now that they’ve gotten rid of him, they can be against them.
Gawd forbid there be sufficient housing in Minneapolis! Need to keep home prices high! Aaargh! Who let the hoi polloi in? Isn't Minnieland supposed to be proggie paradise, where the heck did these middle class people come from? Progressive judges need to save us from affordable homes!
The "True Libertarians" here keep dismissing disparate sentencing between J6 and BLM riots. Let's take a look...
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/tarrio-j6-defendants-receive-long-prison-sentences-while-blm-rioters-received
A man who looted, burned down a business, and killed someone recieved less time than the PB for knoxking over a bike rack (why the judge used terrorist enhancements).
So you're for lighter sentences for non-violent crimes?
I expect your donation to Open Society today.
No, thieves and pederasts definitely deserve major prison time, if not the bullet.
Remember that turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Can’t argue the point even slightly so you deflect.
Open Society funds violent rioters. I've given you the links.
They also want less time FOR violent crimes, not less for non violent crimes.
Stop lying buddy.
He can’t.
Yes, but according to the Judge, January 6 was a Holy Day, so sentences reasonable.
they. shook. a. fence. fucking terrorists.
Typical dismissiveness.
no no no. straight up mockery. and you clown yourself defending a judge who would call these people terrorists and put them in prison for decades.
Where did I do that?
https://reason.com/2023/09/07/judge-rules-minneapolis-zoning-reforms-are-getting-too-much-housing-built/?comments=true#comment-10226870
I gave you the FBI definition of terrorism. How is J6 and BLM different? Both committted violence (BLM way more) for a political reason. By definition they are the same dumdum.
But were those BLM "mostly peaceful protestors" carrying identity cards?
Typical scenario: One of the Black Lives Matter organizations schedules a rally or march or something, and it goes off peacefully. Later than evening, people riot, some of them wearing Black Lives Matter t-shirts — they are still independent rioters in a riot that was not organized by Black Lives Matter.
It’s a fair cop to say that Black Lives Matter organizations should denounce such rioters, but it is disingenuous to call the riot a “BLM riot”.
Mike are they independent now that we set the wide open RICO precedent?
No, I don’t support that line of prosecution. But I am also of the opinion that RICO laws should not be used in the Georgia case.
You’ve been given videos of the rioters including BLM leadership encouraging it and participating.
Stop lying dumdum.
Tarrio wasn’t even in fucking D.C.
And, no, that is not the same scenario as January 6th, where many of the rioters marched directly from the “Stop The Steal” rally to the Capitol, goaded on by the main speaker at the rally, President Donald Trump.
And before you say it, I have never supported prison for Trump for inciting the protestors with his words, or any of his subsequent actions that day. He deserves to be widely regarded as an asshole unworthy of re-election. And he deserved to be impeached for misconduct. But, no, he shouldn’t go to prison for his words that day.
Need the white Mike post where you literally advocating for all their arrests again?
>>goaded on by the main speaker at the rally, President Donald Trump.
one would have to not speak English to believe this.
Uh, huh. Sure:
"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.”
““We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
But Nancy peed herself in terror!
Nancy doesn't need terror to pee herself. In fact, no reason is needed at all for Nancy to pee herself, it just happens. Still, that better than Nadler shitting his pants on stage.
However one may feel personally about Donald Trump, one absolutely has to at least admit this one undeniable fact: not one single man has ever gone before the TV cameras, identity fully revealed, face fully uncovered, and claimed to the entire world that he and Trump sucked each others' dicks.
And no man ever will either, probably because not even the most virulent, dyed-in-the-wool commie on Earth would ever believe it could be true for even a second!
OH NO!
Not MORE SHADOWS!!
Won't someone think of the children?
Reason: YIMBY GROUP FIXES HOUSING CRISIS!
Zen Master Me: We'll see.
I go to Spiked to get my Anthony Fauci masking news.
>>at the population level – agreeing that masks don’t slow the pandemic, but said that they do provide individual protection.
if at no time prior, this moment is when the good doctor officially clowned himself for good
And the interviewer let it stand, unchallenged. That was the interview I commented on a couple of days ago.
saw that
this moment is when the good doctor officially clowned himself for good
One would hope, but sadly, probably not. There will still be some assholes hanging on his every word. Hell, the other day I saw some asshole at work wearing an ill fitting mask over his bearded face (probably turning his beard into a hairy petri dish in the process). Granted, the guy was morbidly obese, so in a higher risk category but still...
On another site, some clown claimed that masks might not have prevented wu-flu, but claimed that they made the illness milder.
I guess if smaller wee-beasties get through a mask they don't make you as sick?
Or was that just some fucking ignoramus?
Fauci belongs in jail
jail, with no Pirola
Fauci, like turd, lies.
"He expressed his ‘concern’ that people would no longer accept government recommendations on Covid"
1. We tried that already. We tried that for almost 3 years. We're done.
2. If he were so concerned about that, perhaps he should not have spent much of the pandemic giving conflicting and often provably wrong 'recommendations' that got turned into local or state 'law' by executive order, or corporate policy at people's places of business. Or denied so many things that obviously turned out to be factually accurate.
Not only am I not going to accept any further advice on Covid, I'm not following any of their advice on any future 'health emergencies.' All of these agencies need to be gutted or disbanded after this colossal failure.
Science is hard. Give Dr 'I am the science' a break.
Even Slate.com called out Fauci's lies, trying to cover for them by calling them "noble lies".
Fauci is reaping what he sowed.
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Noble lies—small untruths—yield unpredictable outcomes. Nietzsche once wrote, “Not that you lied to me, but that I no longer believe you, has shaken me.” Public health messaging is predicated on trust, which overcomes the enormous complexity of the scientific literature, creating an opportunity to communicate initiatives effectively. Still, violation of this trust renders the communication unreliable. When trust is shattered, messaging is no longer clear and straightforward, and instead results in the audience trying to reverse-engineer the statement based on their view of the speaker’s intent. Simply put, noble lies can rob confidence from the public, leading to confusion, a loss of credibility, conspiracy theories, and obfuscated policy.
Noble lies are a trap. We cannot predict the public’s behavior, and loss of trust is devastating. The general population is far too skeptical to blindly follow the advice of experts, and far too intelligent to be easily duped.
“Judge Rules Minneapolis' Zoning Reforms Are Getting Too Much Housing Built”
But, per the environmentalists, we’re all going to be dead of climate change by 2035, or 2050 at the latest, so who cares if we die in single family homes or apartments and condos?
>>This was officially the world's hottest summer.
quantify it a little, the place has been around awhile.
Indeed, and a few billion years ago pretty much the entire surface was molten rock. Was probably a few degrees hotter then.
>>A federal judge has ordered Texas to remove floating border barricades it had installed in the Rio Grande.
"yeah howdy ... we're gonna wait to see what the 5th Circuit has to say about this ... bless your heart."
It’s like “the environment” only exists over the city center.
More people moving into the city reduces traffic, it doesn’t increase it.
See: Atlanta
And how itf is “pedestrian traffic” now supposedly bad?
And how itf is “pedestrian traffic” now supposedly bad?
I was wondering the same thing: aren't these the same assholes who are all about "15 minute cities" or some shit?
Being autistic, from the country, an introvert and a cynic I hate crowds but that's me.
>>Mexico's Supreme Court declared all criminal penalties on abortion unconstitutional and is requiring the country's federal health service to offer abortions on request.
anyone ask Sinaloa about the supply reduction in mules?
Reached an agreement with pp to accept deliveries of Lumps of Cells Plus©️
Medical tourism? Would you like to share one last margarita with your clump of cells while you wait?
With the fetus scraped out, there's more room to pack condoms filled with heroin.
>> Republicans pounce…on returning mask mandates in schools.
can't imagine who would complain around here if What A Fucking Terrible Idea Revived Mask Mandates Are posted today
???
!!!
Isn't posting a week ago even better than posting today? Or would Dillinger just dig up a Reason to complain about it?
https://reason.com/2023/08/30/dont-bring-back-covid-authoritarianism/
who's complaining? mine was a request. this isn't Highlander there can be more than one.
How embarrassing.
There is a certain level of intelligence required to experience embarrassment. That steaming pile of lefty shit hasn't a hope.
Judge see's injustice in, "Did you ask your environmentalist-gods if you could do that?" /s
Here's how I see it:
MN liberals pass environmental law at the state level. Decades later, local MN liberals-- who helped pass the state level law are unhappy with the results (although not unhappy with the intentions) and circumvent law. Judge rules environmental law passed by MN liberals is still a law, and the MN liberals trying to bypass law passed by MN liberals has to be followed.
Possible solution: MN liberals realize the error of their ways and repeal the MN state law.
What say you, Reason?
"MN liberals realize the error of their ways"
That would be extraordinary good start.
Possible solution: MN liberals realize the error of their ways...
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's be honest: Minneapolis, St Paul and Duluth are the Minnesota liberal population.
I'm suspecting that MN is a lot like Washington... that which passes at the state level is largely driven by their more liberal population centers. So when the state passes an environmental law, it was probably pushed and passed by Minneapolis political sensibilities. So (assuming all that) why are the people who pushed this stuff creating exceptions for themselves?
Because that's the go to move for progressivism, which is just as elitist bullshit as monarchism, rules only apply to common folks not the benighted elite.
It's the same everywhere. Moscow and Boise are the most liberal/progressive areas in Idaho. Helena, Bozeman, and Missoula in Montana. Fargo in North Dakota. Austin in Texas. The big difference is these areas tend to be more than balanced by the rest of the state, thus do less damage than the I-5 corridor in Washington or the twin cities in Minnesota.
Republicans pounce on mask mandates in my local newspaper.
A few schools mandated masks. Conservatives hit back hard
Fucking Jamie Raskin. I'd not seen that quote from him, but it's perfectly in line with all the other drivel that comes out of his mouth. He and that idiot elementary school principal should be sewn up in a sack along with some cinderblocks, and then dumped in a lake.
I better not hear about any of these fuckwits whinging about a lack of "AfFoRdAbLe HoUsInG" anytime soon.
They will be the 1st ones. Running around lobbying for gov-guns to go STEAL more of those ‘icky’ people’s earnings to ?make? housing ?affordable?. It’s as predictable as water being wet. There isn’t any horrible thing they start that they can’t make more horrible trying to fix.
All because they cannot accept that gov-gods packing 'guns' don't make sh*t.