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Suicide

Suicide Down 8.4 Percent Among Teens and Young Adults

Plus: How would Jesus vote?, appeals court strikes gun ban for marijuana users, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 8.11.2023 9:41 AM

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Suicides decreased by 8.4 percent among 10-to-24-year-olds last year, according to provisional data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The drop in teen and young adult suicides is a bright spot among an overall bleak portrait of U.S. suicide rates in 2022.

Overall, 49,449 Americans are known to have killed themselves last year—the highest number of U.S. suicides on record and an increase of 2.6 percent over 2021. The CDC "has not yet calculated a suicide rate for the year, but available data suggests suicides are more common in the U.S. than at any time since the dawn of World War II," reports the Associated Press.

The biggest increases occurred in older and middle-age adults. Suicides were up by 8.1 percent among Americans ages 65 and above. And they increased by 6.6 percent among adults ages 45 through 64.

Among adults ages 25 through 44, suicides were up by 0.7 percent.

The data don't speak well of overall American mental health in the early 2020s. But they strike a blow against some common concerns about the roots of mental health declines.

For instance, the data don't support the idea that suicides are being driven by the internet and social media. The age groups most likely to have experienced an increase in suicides are those least likely to be heavy users of social media platforms.

The data also suggest some much-needed good news about suicidality among young people. Data released last year showed suicides among 15-to-19-year-olds jumped from 8.4 per 100,000 during 2012–2014 to 10.8 per 100,000 in 2018–2020. And a CDC report released earlier this year showed a steep increase in the number of teen girls who said they had thought about suicide. Last year's number of teen and young-adult suicides is still bleak, with 6,529 10-to-24-year-olds killing themselves. But this is down from 7,126 suicides in this age group in 2021.

Men (of all ages) were much more likely to commit suicide than their female counterparts in 2022. Some 39,255 American men and 10,194 American women committed suicide.


FREE MINDS

How would Jesus vote? In a new survey, Christians overwhelmingly ascribe their own personal politics to Jesus:

Really is amazing how Jesus conforms to our own political leanings, even among Christians. When we asked Christians to rate Jesus on the ideological spectrum, over 75% of liberal Christians put Jesus on the left & over 75% of conservative Christians put him on the right. pic.twitter.com/yNXfR1ULkj

— Samuel Perry (@profsamperry) August 10, 2023

The data, which social scientist Samuel Perry shared on Twitter, are "part of a larger survey project that's proprietary at the moment," he said.

What Perry shared suggests "the more extreme you are politically, the more extreme your Jesus is," as he pointed out. "A strong plurality of 'very conservative' Christians say Jesus is as far right as possible. Similarly, a strong plurality of 'very liberal' Christians think Jesus is extreme left." Meanwhile, self-described "moderate Christians" were more likely to place Jesus as a political moderate than at either extreme.

Lol. Right. Backing my point, though, "Jesus the moderate" is a pretty popular choice for moderate Christians. About 55% put him at a 5 or 6 and only around 10% put him either at the extreme left or extreme right. pic.twitter.com/1IJ1CN54dm

— Samuel Perry (@profsamperry) August 10, 2023


FREE MARKETS

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit says the federal ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional. "Our history and tradition may support some limits on an intoxicated person's right to carry a weapon, but it does not justify disarming a sober citizen based exclusively on his past drug usage," a three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit wrote in its decision.

"The opinion overturns the conviction of a Mississippi man, Patrick D. Daniels of Gulfport, who had two guns found in his car during a traffic stop last year and acknowledged using marijuana regularly but wasn't accused of driving under the influence," notes the A.P.

The appeals court cited the 2022 U.S. Supreme Court decision known as New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, which said gun laws must have strong historical roots — a finding that led to challenges of many of the nation's gun laws….

The ruling raises questions about the future of the law, which also had a central role in the proposed plea deal for Hunter Biden, the president's son.

More on the related Hunter Biden case and the law behind it here.

"As the first federal court appeals ruling on this provision, [the decision will] be persuasive and influential to other circuits and other district courts who are reviewing these kind of challenges," Pepperdine University law professor Jake Charles told the A.P.

But the decision is not binding outside of the 5th Circuit (which includes Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas). Hunter Biden's case was filed in Delaware.

"Federal courts are wisely deciding time and again that the simple use of cannabis should not preclude someone from the legal protections offered to all Americans by the US Constitution," said NORML Political Director Morgan Fox in a statement. "Unfortunately, these rulings are not universally applicable or binding. Either the Supreme Court or Congress need to make this the law of the land before any more responsible cannabis consumers are threatened with lengthy prison terms simply for exercising their constitutional rights."


QUICK HITS

• The Labor Department's latest on inflation: "The consumer-price index, a measure of goods and services prices across the economy, rose a mild 0.2% in July, the same as in June," notes The Wall Street Journal. "The figures led to 3.2% annual inflation in July, up from 3% in June. Annual core inflation ticked down to 4.7% in July from June's 4.8%."

• Sigh: Americans overwhelmingly favor more government regulation of artificial intelligence (A.I.), according to polling from the Artificial Intelligence Policy Institute. Fifty-six percent of poll respondents support a federal agency regulating A.I. while just 14 percent were opposed. And 82 percent said they don't trust tech companies to self-regulate.

• Behold U.K. hate speech laws in action:

every day I remain grateful the US doesn't share its parent country's backwards laws about speech

this statement refers to a half-dozen officers taking an autistic teen into custody for saying one officer looked like a lesbian, like her grandma

scope creep is eternal https://t.co/b7edsvRrkK

— TracingWoodgrains (@tracewoodgrains) August 10, 2023

• The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit heard oral arguments yesterday in State of Missouri v. Biden, a case concerning the Biden administration's directives to social media companies during the COVID-19 pandemic. Listen to First Amendment lawyer Ari Cohn and TechFreedom's Corbin Barthold discuss the case here.

• A federal court has ruled against the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in its fight with the Cigar Association of America. The decision strikes down an FDA plan to regulate premium cigars under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which would have given the agency the same control over premium cigars as it has over cigarettes. "This underscores what we have been saying for years: premium cigars are different and should be treated as such," Scott Pearce, executive director of the Premium Cigar Association, told Cigar Aficionado.

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  1. Nardz   2 years ago

    Jesus would vote for a hyper Franco.
    Whomever would put tumors like Reason staff out of being.

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    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Jesus wouldn't vote. He'd look around at what we have for government and decide to go Old Testament on those in power.

      1. Jerryskids   2 years ago

        As a dead man, Jesus votes Democrat. Multiple times.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Well he did ride a jackass, so there is that toward your argument, but then again, according to refernces in Revelation to The Book of Life, Big Daddy, Junior, and The Spook have memories like elephants, so that's one for the GOP. So I guess it's a wash.
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      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        The New Testiment is pretty nasty there at The End too.
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    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      How would Jesus vote?

      A very simple question to answer. All Jesus has to do is:

      One, possess 4-Dimensional coordinates and

      Two, bring his ass and tell us.

      *Tips fedora to reveal a cricket rubbing legs like a Stradivarius.*
      🙂
      😉

    4. Zeb   2 years ago

      Would Jesus vote at all? Kind of seemed like he wanted to stay out of worldly politics.

  2. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1689874099269435392?t=sVTlC8JZ5VAmza-N90cJQQ&s=19

    A lone man in a red hat appeared on the street in Provo, Utah today outside where the FBI raided and killed Craig Robertson

    He held up a flag: "F*CK BIDEN"

    [Pic]

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      FBI has their next target.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        FBI fn up Reason's website the past week or so

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Another reason to get rid of the 1st Amendment.

  3. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

    1. Krokko   2 years ago

      You know, as annoying as Honest Ec is, I wish Pluggo, Jeffy, etc. would just post a solitary comment and go away...

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        He is that obnoxious.

  4. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Indian_Bronson/status/1689990266487287809?t=gYB78yAx9sKbGxkBWXXUOa2lnCkrI5bM5LFV-3ekPu8&s=19

    A story that will be ignored by:

    1) political incumbents—who never want to be held responsible for their rulership

    2) techno-optimists—who don’t care to admit they’re divorced from human realities

    But it’s the most important story of the year:

    "@AP
    About 49,500 people took their own lives last year in the U.S., the highest number ever, according to new government data.
    [Link]"

    If you claim to have authority over the world, that ever greater numbers of people would literally prefer to kill themselves than suffer that indicates something important

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Their body, their choice.

  5. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    How would Jesus vote?

    Jesus would definitely vote for Fatass Donnie - the full-time liar who raw-dogs porn whores and grifts his cult for millions to pay his scumbag lawyers.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      You spend 90% of your time here defending a "Catholic" Prez whose party's defining issue is legalizing abortion until birth.

      #GlassHouses

      Oh yeah, Biden is also a vile human being who denied his grandkid's existence until his handlers realized how awful it looked and pressed him to flip flop.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        You nailed it, Sandy.

        Old Joe is awful but he only looks good compared to a grifter who tried to steal the election and shit on the Constitution at the same time.

        Republicans can't do any better?

        Dubya and Donnie. The bottom of the shit pile.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Odd how you claim Biden is terrible --- but you defend him so fervently on everything.

          Literally everything.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            "Literally everything."

            I don't defend his policies. They're normal bad.

            But I DO CALL OUT LIARS.

            Truths Republicans won't admit:

            1- We produce more oil/gas than anytime during Trump's term.
            2- Biden DID NOT cause worldwide inflation.
            3- Biden is too feeble to set up a network of shell companies that hide bribes.

            That's all. Just stop lying.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              You defend all his policies from energy to economy to weaponization of the legal system. Lol. Who the fuck are you trying to fool?

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                "Energy" is not a policy, moron. Oil/gas production is a statistic and it shows we produce more now. Biden did nothing to boost production.

                The "economy" is not a policy, dipshit. GDP growth is a statistic and has been higher in Biden's term than Donnie's.

                And criminals who attack the US like 9/11 and Jan 6 should be prosecuted or hunted down and killed.

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  1- We produce more oil/gas than anytime during Trump’s term.

                  Biden’s Order to Freeze New Oil Drilling on Federal Land: What You Need to Know

                  2- Biden DID NOT cause worldwide inflation.

                  Nobody claimed he did. That was Pelosi.

                  3- Biden is too feeble to set up a network of shell companies that hide bribes.

                  Those twenty shell companies funneling tens of millions in bribes? They exist and that's what Hunter was for.

                  Your gaslighting attempts are becoming pretty poor. You're really falling apart, Pluggo.

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Biden was just on the weather channel lamenting how the courts wouldn't let him stop drilling retard.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Also shrike, do you again need the link showing energy growth is on state and private lands, not federal? This is the same bullshit Obama tried to pull, taking credit for where he has no control as he retards energy production where he can.

                3. Sevo   2 years ago

                  turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                  If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                  turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

                4. Sevo   2 years ago

                  turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                  If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                  turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              “3- biden is too feeble to set up a network of shell companies that hide bribes.”

              Lol. Huh? Didn’t all this happen several years ago when he was VP? And couldn’t he and his boy hire someone for that?

              I don’t think you really dislike Brandon, the way you suck his taint, and all..,

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                Turd lies.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "the full-time liar who raw-dogs porn whores"

      This sounds a lot like jealousy.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        He said whores not child whores.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          When he says porn it’s a given he’s referring to underage.

      2. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago

        I agree.

        It is a good line though. It probably applies to Hunter more than Trump.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Used to “raw-dog porn whores”. It’s highly doubtful Li’l Donnie is in service anymore.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Cite?

  6. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Behold U.K. hate speech laws in action"

    I will never get tired of reminding Reason that it used to run columns by far left authoritarian lunatic Noah Berlatsky, who wants to bring that Euro-nonsense to America.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      As Tim Pool asked...how is stating that you think a cop is a lesbian "homophobia"? She did not say lesbians were bad.

      The cop just ASSUMED it.

      Should the cop, Megan Rapinoe UK, be arrested now for homophobia?

  7. JesseAz   2 years ago

    2nd time in a month it was revealed Jack Smithied to courts in his investigation of Trump.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/jack-smith-admits-he-included-inaccurate-info-when-asking-judge-hide-trump

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Proposed schedule by Jack Smith for D.C. 1a trial set to conclude 2 weeks before the primaries. Remember this is not political.

      https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/08/10/jack-smith-proposes-very-concerning-trial-date-for-case-against-trump-in-d-c-n790655

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        He's just an impartial law guy. Not a partisan hack.

      2. Dillinger   2 years ago

        the "I have to secret everything because T is a flight risk" thing may be the most tragically ludicrous of all

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        trial set to conclude 2 weeks before the primaries

        Total coinkydink.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Short enough it can't get to the USSC to be smacked down.

      4. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Did you see the judge try to say “this is a criminal trial and I won’t factor the effects this could have on political campaigns for either side.”?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The judge is already acting politically. In her first session the DoJ and trump lawyers agreed they could both be present on the 10th, 14th, or 15th. Both sides were available those days. So the judge scheduled the hearing for the 11th.

  8. JesseAz   2 years ago

    California Supreme Court rules that you do not in fact have a right to confront your accuser in their kangaroo courts.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/08/california-supreme-court-no-right-to-in-person-cross-examination-of-accuser-during-campus-sexual-assault-proceedings/

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      If the Dept of Education cannot be shut down, might be time to tie ANY funding of ANY sort to providing a specific list of protections students get in proceedings.

  9. JesseAz   2 years ago

    New pictures aboard AF2 show Joe talking with associate of Hunter who was working with Ukrainian Burisma officials as well.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-house-republican-rips-damning-picture-biden-hunter-linked-adviser-2015-ukraine-trip

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Headline on the Bee today:
      Democrats Say It’ll Take A Lot More Than Eyewitness Testimony, Bank Records, Audio, Video, Complete Confessions For Them To Believe Biden Did Anything Wrong

      1. Rockstevo   2 years ago

        Reminds me of this:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXc3O6GMZt0

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        Mike Liarson working for The Bee?

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      They were talking about the weather and getting a first hand look at how clouds work and such.

  10. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "How would Jesus vote?"

    He wouldn't. He's a theocrat. He'd say obey God and don't bother with the things of this world.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Also, give all your stuff away, defy your parents, drop out and join the cult.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Between the 30 percent Dr. Gene Scott wanted from his sheeple and the 40+ percent of GDP that Welfare States usually take up, that's over 70 percent for Caesar and God!

        Fuck 'em both and let 'em get their own without me!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

          “sheeple”

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Perfect.

  11. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Suicides decreased by 8.4 percent among 10-to-24-year-olds last year

    MAID will get those numbers up.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      I wonder if that's tied in any way with young males becoming more conservitive

  12. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Oregon state secretary bars GOP members from running for reelection.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-barred-reelection-oregon-six-week-walkout

    1. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Good to see the Democrats aren’t just containing their bullshit to Trump. Unfortunately, it’s not like voters are going to bitch slap them for it.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      So, whoever wrote the law fucked up, sounds like. One would think that people would be more careful when drafting legislation like that.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        I just want the libertarian case for the majority writing laws to limit the effectiveness of the minority.

  13. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Professor: Conspiracy Theorists Must Be Eliminated
    https://menafn.com/1106745890/Professor-Conspiracy-Theorists-Must-Be-Eliminated

    Yuval Harari, Klaus Schwab's right-hand man has called for so-called "conspiracy theorists" to be banned from the Internet because of their "dangerous" belief that a global clique of elites controls the world, Azernews reports.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Sounds like a guy who is really smart and able to imagine outcomes of his policy desires.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      I knew it would be Yuval Harari before I even finished reading the first line of your post.

      If Harari wants people to stop believing in conspiracy theories, he should probably stop trying to start so many conspiracies to seize control of governments. His book Homo Deus was absolutely full of them.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Yeah, the guy exercises nuclear-level misdirection. Here's something he posted on Twatter recently:

        "'The world does not revolve around humans or around any other particular group of beings.'"

        This is the brain dropping of someone who belches out a random saying and thinks he's being profound. Guys like this are legitimately dangerous because the elites take this fake profundity seriously.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Here's another one:

          "If somebody tries to convince you of a conspiracy theory about the origin and spread of coronavirus, ask them to first explain what a virus is, and how it causes disease. If they don’t have a clue, don’t trust their theory. A PhD isn’t a must – but basic biology is."

          Note how he says that "conspiracy theories" need to be confronted with red herrings instead of direct refutation of the claims. This guy gives the game away far too easily when this is his response.

          1. Square = Circle   2 years ago

            Note how he says that “conspiracy theories” need to be confronted with red herrings instead of direct refutation of the claims.

            And note that the red herring is essentially "test to see if they can speak Harvard. If they can't, silence them."

            1. BYODB   2 years ago

              Even if they could speak Harvard, one would be hard pressed to get a scientific justification for what was actually done. Their excuses for government action rang hollow to anyone with even a passing knowledge of biology.

              Plus I notice they neatly turn the burden of proof on it's head, as if we would have to refute their position to prove it wrong when they never actually proved themselves right.

              Truly, fear is the mind killer.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      The farce is strong in this one.

    4. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Ban conspiracy theorists, but not megalomaniacs?

      Sounds legit.

    5. Square = Circle   2 years ago

      During a discussion at the Warwick Economic Summit, Harari boasted that the world's "elites" would soon be able to use their immense power to avoid global mass extinction

      That immense power that they don't have.

    6. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      When conspiracy theories are outlawed, only outlaws will have conspiracy theories...And with good reason!

    7. Zeb   2 years ago

      Global elites who think they control the world want to punish those who criticize the global elites who think they run the world.

    8. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Irony is strong in this one.

  14. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Biden knows the real issues regarding the economy.

    BIDEN: "The problem was too many people are working! Or working people are working making too much money. That's not the problem."

  15. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Some conspiracy theorists are sharing this

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      From the comments:

      "My favorite current example of this inside track. Debra Birx becomes CEO of Armata Pharmaceutical July 11, 2023. Small biotech researching drugs for bacteria resistant conditions. Look at the surge. In one month 348% return."

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        >>Debra Birx becomes CEO of Armata Pharmaceutical

        is that real? she was rewarded?

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Of course she was. That’s how it works in fascism: good little fascists get rewarded for maintaining the scope and power of the state.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          You shouldn't worry about America becoming a banana republic. It already is.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Lloyd Austin was rewarded with a SecDef position for being a fuckup during his time as CENTCOM commander. This isn't really anything new.

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            to all three ^^ Birx' upward failure is especially offensive.

  16. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Socialists when they want power: We'll create paradise by redistributing from them to you
    Socialists when they have power: You have to just accept having less than you had before

    Planned Degrowth: Ecosocialism and Sustainable Human Development
    https://monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/planned-degrowth/
    Science has established without a doubt that, in today’s “full-world economy,” it is necessary to operate within an overall Earth System budget with respect to allowable physical throughput.3 However, rather than constituting an insurmountable obstacle to human development, this can be seen as initiating a whole new stage of ecological civilization based on the creation of a society of substantive equality and ecological sustainability, or ecosocialism. Degrowth, in this sense, is not aimed at austerity, but at finding a “prosperous way down” from our current extractivist, wasteful, ecologically unsustainable, maldeveloped, exploitative, and unequal, class-hierarchical world.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Socialists never mention the part where equality is the lowest common denominator.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        So we have to all act drunk and stupid?

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Too many people are comfortable, we must stop that.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Comfortable people do not riot enough.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          True. They try to overturn elections instead.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Not a leftist.

          2. DesigNate   2 years ago

            Massive eyeroll.

    3. Square = Circle   2 years ago

      Degrowth, in this sense, is not aimed at austerity, but at finding a “prosperous way down”

      lol

      1. BYODB   2 years ago

        *looks intently at both*

        They're the same picture...?

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      This is why they pivoted from Socialism will provide peace and prosperity for all to Capitalism is destroying the world with Global Boiling.

  17. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    CCP getting its money's worth:

    Energy Sec Granholm secretly consulted top CCP energy official before SPR releases
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/energy-sec-granholm-secretly-consulted-top-ccp-energy-official-spr-releases

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      A global web of Chinese propaganda leads to a US tech mogul
      The No Cold War group is part of a lavishly funded influence campaign that defends China and pushes its propaganda, an investigation by The New York Times has found. At the center is a charismatic American millionaire, Neville Roy Singham.
      https://indianexpress.com/article/world/global-web-chinese-propaganda-leads-us-tech-mogul-8880126/

      ...Some, such as No Cold War, popped up in recent years. Others, including the American anti-war group Code Pink, have morphed over time. Code Pink once criticized China’s rights record but now defends its internment of the predominantly Muslim Uyghurs, which human rights experts have labeled a crime against humanity.

      These groups are funded through U.S. nonprofits flush with at least $275 million in donations.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Remember when Code Pink was anti-war? What changed?

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      She made a lot of money off selling stocks from the electric bus company, selling stock just weeks before Biden said they would spend a few billion on them. Stock crashed a few months later.

  18. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    All initial goverment numbers about the economy are lies. They will be adjusted up or down when Noone is paying attention

    1. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Was hoping someone would point that out.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Someone did the other day. One of the lying lefties said it was a coincidence.

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Noone? From Herman's Hermits to economist?

  19. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Social media has the protection of Verizon or T-Mobile, the rights of the NY Times, and gets the best of both worlds if they play ball with the government.

    White House reviewing Section 230 amid efforts to push social media giants to crack down on misinformation
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/20/politics/white-house-section-230-facebook/index.html

  20. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>But the decision is not binding outside of the 5th Circuit ... Hunter Biden's case was filed in Delaware.

    never fear! Hunter has other protections.

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Don't pick on poor Hunter. He lost this month's bale of coke.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/10/tampa-mayor-cocaine-fishing-jane-castor/

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        think the $41million boat busts on To Catch a Smuggler are faked?

  21. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    "Jesus loves Trump this I know
    Tucker Carlson tells me so..."

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Sarc loves Biden when he's bad
      Joe will never make Sarc sad.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Is this another one of your lies about Tucker? Amazing how you give false citations against him for no apparent valid reason.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      you're losing it bro

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        He’s been a broken man for years.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        It's a joke. Lighten up Francis.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You're one to speak on that, Mr. Touchy?

  22. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Not the clot shot - don't even think about that.

    Plunging into cold water during hot weather can cause heart attacks even in young, fit and healthy individuals, according to new research by scientists at Portsmouth University.
    https://www.heart.co.uk/southcoast/news/local/heart-attack-warning-over-cold-water/

  23. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "More on the related Hunter Biden case and the law behind it here."

    REASON MENTIONED HUNTER!

    White Mike and Sarckles can wipe the flop sweat off their brows. They can now proudly trot out the line every time someone criticizes Reason for deliberately ignoring the Biden influence peddling and bribery scandal.

  24. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    What the "Free Minds and Free Markets" crowd doesn't get is that if the government is this totally unaccountable, they can tramp on rights they might actually care about.

    We're counting on people this corrupt to respect our rights?

    Hunter Biden’s staggering $20M haul from Kazhaks, Chinese, Russians, Romanians and Ukrainians revealed in new bank records: Comer
    https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/hunter-biden-linked-foreign-haul-at-20m-with-russia-ukraine-kazak-transfers-comer/
    ...“During Joe Biden’s vice presidency, Hunter Biden sold him as ‘the brand’ to reap millions from oligarchs in Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine. It appears no real services were provided other than access to the Biden network, including Joe Biden himself,” Comer said in a statement....

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      For example, who should I believe, DC_Draino or the 'respectable' news media that is covering for the Bidens concerning the corruption above?

      https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1688967785261502468
      BREAKING: Proof of rigged Michigan election - Democrat operatives caught in October 2020 turning in up to 10,000 fraudulent voter registrations *per day*, many with same handwriting & fake addresses

      Police investigated (report attached) and found guns w/silencers, burner phones, rental cars, and warehouses where ballots & registrations stored all funded by Democrat strategy firm

      Ballots would be mailed to fake addresses, intercepted, and put in dropboxes by mules

      Video from Detroit vote count center shows 3AM drop of estimated 100,000+ ballots w/out GOP supervisors by *rental car* from out of state

      Biden got unexplained vote spike a few hours later and stole MI from Trump

      Michigan AG & FBI brought in to investigate & they shut it down -
      @gatewaypundit
      Twitter account banned for posting video of ballot drops

      Instead AG Nessel charged Michigan electors for sending alternate ballots to DC

      Huge props to
      @gatewaypundit
      for putting together all these pieces

      Michigan was RIGGED

      1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1689462095316672512

        Every time I heard Hunter got paid $83,333 a month from Burisma I wonder who the other two people were getting $83,333 a month because that's clearly $250,000 split three ways.

        1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

          https://twitter.com/NRO/status/1689975499601170432

          The ex-FBI agent who helped spearhead the Trump-Russia collusion probe is expected to plead guilty to illegally working for a Russian oligarch.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Every-single-time.

            Every time they've accused Trump of doing something, it's something that they were doing themselves. That's what made it seem like a plausible accusation to them, "We're doing it, so he's probably doing it too".

            Meanwhile, where's the outrage from Jeff, Tony, JFree, Mike, Sarc and the Shrikes? (or Sullum, Boehm and Lancaster for that matter)
            They were furious when Trump supposedly did it. Now that it's been proven his accusers were actually the guilty parties, where's all their outrage? Fucking phonies.

        2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          It’s 1,000,000 / 12. He was getting paid 1 million annually.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      He is Joe’s pimp.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Headline on the Bee today:
      Democrats Say It’ll Take A Lot More Than Eyewitness Testimony, Bank Records, Audio, Video, Complete Confessions For Them To Believe Biden Did Anything Wrong

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        The Olympic-scale mental gymnastics from them and the center-right on this reminds me of that Chappelle Show skit about the R. Kelly trial jury selection.

        "That's my Biden, always getting money from people!"

        1. Jerryskids   2 years ago

          This one?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            LOL, yep.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            I'm not even sure that much would convince them. They'd still try to figure out how to excuse it. Watch the mental gymnastics to excuse King Richard II's corruption in Chicago by the residents!

  25. Dillinger   2 years ago

    likelihood Jesus can be replaced with Batman and results will be the same?

  26. FlyingComic   2 years ago

    Increased suicides among the aging could be indirectly related to social media interaction.

    If, for instance, grandparents are feeling more isolated because of the lack of interaction with their social-media-consumed grandchildren, it could lead to an increase in their suicide rate. Not saying this is the case -- just saying it's possible.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      author's been on a "nuh-uuuh teen chicks aren't killing themselves because phones" kick for a couple years

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        And on a "Despite the evidence, teen boys aren't really identifying as more Conservative. You have my/our word." for a couple of days.

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      Nursing homes should branch out and offer daycare services as well. Kids get watched by grandparent figures whose biggest need is companionship. 2 birds, 1 stone.

      Unrelated- why do drag queens insist upon children for story hour? Why not old folks homes or hospitals? Makes the agenda pretty clear...

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        That's a really good idea.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Which is why the government would never allow it.

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        I doubt the old folks would want them.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Saw a related article about grandparents moving across the country specifically to be close to the grandkids, with a bunch of dumb Zennial comments wondering why anyone would just pick up and do that if you weren't near DA BIG CITY with BIG CITY SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE.

      It's incredible how alienated anyone born after 1995 seems to be from their own family members.

      1. JFree   2 years ago

        It’s incredible how alienated anyone born after 1995 seems to be from their own family members.

        Yes love means leaving $32 trillion of debt for your grandkids to pay.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Not everyone hates their relatives like you do.

  27. Dillinger   2 years ago

    if subpoenaing T's twitter account was to get info on the followers am I safe from the feds for never tweeting?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      No

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Let's be honest. The Twitter ask is to identify who is in Trumps campaign team so they can target them. Akin to Watergate. Joe getting materials on his likely opponent.

  28. Dillinger   2 years ago

    what time is Sullum's Michigan Voter Fraud piece dropping?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      3 am, to coincide with the vans dropping off the ballots.

    2. tracerv   2 years ago

      Half past never is my guess.

  29. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    I'm changing my user name to "Lesbian Nana's Bonus Hole".

    Video: Teen girl with autism arrested for telling officer she 'looks like my lesbian nana'
    West Yorkshire Police's professional standards panel is investigating video footage of the incident involving an autistic 16-year-old girl following a complaint by her mother.
    https://metro.co.uk/video/teen-girl-autism-arrested-telling-officer-looks-like-lesbian-nana-2995683/

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      The article is missing a picture of the autistic girl's lesbian nana.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      The article is missing a picture of the autistic girl's lesbian nana.

      Also, personally, 'lesbian nana' is kinda skirting that whole "Biology is clear and English can be understood by 3 yr. olds, why the fuck are you being so vague and complicated?" sensibility in pretty much the same fashion as "birthing persons" and "trans women".

  30. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>premium cigars are different and should be treated as such

    is EPA up to bat next?

  31. Dillinger   2 years ago

    aside: we saw Berlin, Howard Jones & Culture Club last night (mme dillinger gets to choose too). show was an absolute hoot especially for the price do not miss it.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Wow! That would be one Helluva great show for fans lf the Eighties like myself!

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Of course you like 80’s music.

  32. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1689717554657284096?t=IZnV9VrWPi3u9wIqKRFxBA&s=19

    HORROR: All Cause Mortality hits epidemic levels.

    Children under the age of 24 are dying at 40% excess mortality over the last TWO years.

    There is only one explanation for this. The untested and mandated Covid vaccine is killing young people slowly.

    No more excuses. It’s time for arrests.

    [Graph]

  33. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/11/turkey-hochstein-thread-n2386190

    The House committees are flagging this photo that shows Biden being briefed on his famous flight to Ukraine by Amos Hochstein, President Biden’s current special presidential coordinator. Hochstein was allegedly one of the contacts of Hunter and his Ukrainian clients.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      Outside of:
      the bank records,
      the suspicious activity reports,
      the wire transfers,
      the Privat bank transactions,
      the LLCs,
      the texts,
      the emails,
      the WhatsApp messages,
      the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners,
      the voicemails to his son,
      the two business partners saying Joe is the “brand,” the “big guy,” and “the chairman,”
      the two whistleblowers testimony,
      the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko,
      the video of Joe Biden bragging about firing the Ukrainian prosecutor,
      Hunter’s statements that he’s giving his dad half his income and now…
      photos of Biden being briefed by Amos Hochstein,
      there is NO evidence of Joe Biden being involved.

      Some people are saying that might be Jim Biden rather than Joe. If so, what are Jim and Amos Hochstein doing on Airforce One during the Ukraine trip? That makes it even more suss.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        Brandon is too feeble to be corrupt. Nothing to see here.

  34. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    So much for the bullshit about immigration being pure good and beneficial.

    Mayor Eric Adams on migrant crisis: NYC carrying "burden" of "national problem"
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eric-adams-migrant-crisis-new-york-city-face-the-nation/

    "When you look at the price tag, $30 million comes nowhere near what the city is paying for a national problem," he told "Face the Nation" on Sunday, referring to federal aid New York City is receiving for costs associated with shelters, food and health care for migrants. The city had asked for $350 million in federal aid.

    "We've spent over a billion dollars," he added. "We're projected to spend close to $4.3 billion, if not more."

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/09/16/bowser-were-not-texas-you-know-n497188

      DC Mayor Bower: "We're not a border town. We don't have an infrastructure to handle this this type of a level of immigration to our city… We're not Texas."

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Border towns also do not have the resources. Since Biden took over, many small towns in Arizona have gone bankrupt. Yet democrats in Congress is giving New York and Mass more federal dollars for the illegal immigrant problem despite less than 10% of the numbers.

      2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

        That's "DC Mayor Bowser"

      3. BYODB   2 years ago

        I might be wrong, but isn't Ellis Island kind of close to New York?

        Gee, what's changed?

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH god what a bunch of fucking clowns the left is

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Put them to work doing city services in exchange for food and housing, then, Eric, you dumb Democrat piece of shit. They'll probably work a lot harder than anyone currently living in the city anyway.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        It's also a sanctuary city for public sector unions.

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Sounds to me like they're overpaying. But that's government for ya'.

  35. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1690006124353798145?t=aTpPTOPjTrwEjJNnqv45JQ&s=19

    In America you can get:

    - fired for liking memes on social media
    - arrested for posting memes on social media
    - killed for making comments on social media

    If this would be happening in another country America would calling for a regime change.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      How many people have you murdered for making comments on social media?

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Oh wow. "Words kill" right Sarckles?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Thats why he cheers Babbitts death.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Never talks about people, only ideas.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          “Abstract “ ideas.

      3. DesigNate   2 years ago

        I’m legit trying to make sense of this rebuttal and can’t figure out what you meant by it.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          It helps if you remember sarc is a broken man.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I honestly believe that if Nardz is or will become a serial killer who targets Prius drivers and such, and will go down in infamy as "The Bumper Sticker Killer."

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

            Weren’t you the one who threatened to beat up Elmer Fudd the CHUD?

      4. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        What you talkin' 'bout, Sarckillis?

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          It's Sarcaliscious, bruh.

  36. Nardz   2 years ago

    Has Reason been slow/inconsistent loading for anyone else, or is my FBI guy just bad at his job?

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Been hit or miss for a few weeks.

      I think Fist starts a DDOS when he isnt first.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Yeah, it's been taking forever to load. Seems better today than it was for most of this week.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Some us suspect that Sullum still has one of the gerbils from the power wheels in his pants again.

  37. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Hey, somebody clean the cat hair off the back of the Reason server again, and make sure the 8-way plug adapter is pushed all the way into the wall socket.

  38. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/09/16/bowser-were-not-texas-you-know-n497188

    DC Mayor Bower: "We're not a border town. We don't have an infrastructure to handle this this type of a level of immigration to our city… We're not Texas."

  39. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    My recollection is that last time Jesus was around few listened to him and in the end he was crucified. Would it be much different today?

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      More than a few listened to Him. He would not have been crucified if only a few listened to Him.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        I don't think that's true. Crucifixion was probably the standard punishment for Jewish rabble-rousers who acted up at Passover. It would have been a dangerous time every year for Romans in Jerusalem.

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Yeah, good point. Jesus had an extremely limited impact on history.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        2000 years and 2 billion ostensible adherents are just a drop in the bucket for a big operation like Moderation4ever. You should see his Twitter.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Which isn’t something M4e said.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Is he one of your socks?

        2. R Mac   2 years ago

          Caw caw!

  40. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'The CDC "has not yet calculated a suicide rate for the year, but available data suggests suicides are more common in the U.S. than at any time since the dawn of World War II," reports the Associated Press.'

    Suck that, Canada.

  41. Nardz   2 years ago

    Remember when we were told $5 billion was too much to build a Border Wall but endless streams of multibillion-dollar payments to Ukraine are just fine?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      The "border wall" was always just a concept, not an actual plan. The southern border passes through very diverse landscapes, from big cities to rural areas to wilderness, through rivers, deserts, and mountains. No one type of border fortification is useful or even possible for the entire border.

  42. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    The left: healthcare is a fundamental human right
    Also the left: deny people healthcare if they don't do what they're told

    Conclusion: the left will violate fundamental human rights if they aren't obeyed.

    https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1690015305215459328
    Health systems that denied organ transplants to covid unvaccinated patients need to apologize for their unethical behavior, compensate harmed parties, and fundamentally revamp their ethics oversight apparatus. Regaining trust requires action.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      In a proper democratic system, rights are only for good people.

      Actually, after writing that, it reminded me of the ruling philosophy in public schools.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      JFree is giddy.

    3. BYODB   2 years ago

      If anyone is paying attention, this is how you create and then wield a political cudgel against your opponents.

    4. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Is there custom, tradition, and precedent for denying organ transplants to those who refused other vaccines?

  43. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    We're protecting democracy, and by democracy I mean Obama admin officials picking the government.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/05/global-politico-victoria-nuland-obama-216937/
    At the time, Nuland was a year into her role as Obama’s assistant secretary for Europe. She had been in Kiev, frantically working behind the scenes to put in place a new governing coalition in Ukraine as it teetered on the brink of revolution against its Russia-backed leader, Viktor Yanukovych

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Wow. Surprised Politico hasn't taken the story down, or at least hidden it.

      Maybe they're gloating?

  44. Sevo   2 years ago

    BTW, this site is often taken over by "504 Gateway"

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      hate that site. slow. irritating.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        See my comment above. Too much cat hair.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          lolz exactly.

  45. Winston in Wonderland   2 years ago (edited)

    “…a steep increase in the number of teen girls who said they had thought about suicide.”

    Seriously...Somebody uses teenage girls’ self-reported thoughts about suicide as a metric for mental wellness?

    Anybody who has ever raised a teenaged girl knows that's daft.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      >>>self-reported thoughts about suicide

      looked up "suicidality" to see if it was a real word

  46. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Channeling Buttplug.

    Democrats Say It’ll Take A Lot More Than Eyewitness Testimony, Bank Records, Audio, Video, Complete Confessions For Them To Believe Biden Did Anything Wrong

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      "Nah, I'm not buying it," said California Congressman Eric Swalwell. "If you're wanting me to believe President Biden and his family have been involved in a far-reaching money-for-favors scheme for years, you'll need to show me a lot more than rock-solid, irrefutable evidence. If the Biden family was corrupt, I think I would have heard about it from my Chinese spy girlfriend."

  47. Sevo   2 years ago

    "Why We Need More Hispanic Doctors"
    [...]
    "More than 18% of people in the United States are Hispanic, yet only 5% of U.S. doctors are Hispanic. We need a health care workforce that is diverse; that looks like and has had experiences like the public it serves; and is willing and ready to practice primary care in underserved areas, such as rural and inner-city communities where Hispanics more often live..."
    https://macyfoundation.org/news-and-commentary/why-we-need-more-hispanic-doctors

    I understand that left-handers are also under-represented!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hispanic doctors? I thought mamacita provides all health care.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I agree that there are too few people getting the treatment they deserve from doctors with substance use disorders.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      If hispanic medical school didnt just teach to put Vics on everything then there would be more hispanic doctors.

    4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Only Hispanics will work in undesirable areas?

    5. Dillinger   2 years ago

      Hi everybody! Hi, Doctor Nick!

    6. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Maybe they are not dumb enough to accumulate 8 years of school debt just to be a work slave.

    7. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      How do they propose convincing doctors in Spain, Peru, or Mexico to immigrate to the United States?

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        Make the medical license transferable?

    8. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      I guess I should dump my Black doctor and my Indian dentist. How can they treat me effectively if they don't look like me?

  48. SRG   2 years ago (edited)

    NT Jesus was anti-capitalist, and a redistributionist. He was also a pacifist (in general) and disapproved of even the thoughts of adultery.

    Basically, a puritanical left-wing pacifist ascetic with a convenient excuse for hanging out with hoes of the non-garden variety. (“My uncle’s a charity worker”, etc.)

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Pretty sure Jesus supported voluntary charity from the heart, not redistribution under threat of violence.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Good job sarc.

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        Agreed. And he never said wealth made it impossible to get into heaven, but more difficult if not used industriously and charitably.

      3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Well, except for that unfortunate incident at the Temple...

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      NT Jesus was anti-capitalist, and a redistributionist.

      Pointing out that rich people love wealth accumulation more than eternal salvation is not "anti-capitalist," and using divine power to create food and wine for a gathering of people is not redistributionist.

      The same leftists who tell the right that they need to "render unto Caesar" notably leave out the second half of that statement.

      He was also a pacifist (in general)

      "I have come not to bring peace, but a sword" is hardly pacifist.

      Basically, a puritanical left-wing pacifist ascetic

      Thanks for elegantly proving the point that was being made in the Twatter posts.

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        Pointing out that rich people love wealth accumulation more than eternal salvation is not “anti-capitalist,” and using divine power to create food and wine for a gathering of people is not redistributionist.

        He made it cleat that the accumulation of wealth was bad - and this position is obviously antithetical to capitalism. And, though it's not said by Jesus himself, but is in the NT, how about "the love of money is the root of all evil"?

        And wanting people to give their money away is what, precisely?

        “I have come not to bring peace, but a sword” is hardly pacifist.

        And "turn the other cheek"? Plus other stuff. And I did say, "generally".

        As I'm an atheist Jew, I have no dog in the fight other than describing how NT Jesus comes over to me - what meshugaas people choose to believe about Jesus doesn't particularly concern me (aside from the contextually irrelevant issue of anti-Semitism).

        But I also note that Jesus unambiguously condemned hypocrisy while remaining silent about abortion and homosexuality, and many self-proclaimed Christians don't seem to be aware of this.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          He made it cleat that the accumulation of wealth was bad – and this position is obviously antithetical to capitalism.

          Only when you revert to the Marxist definition of capitalism. Even Ayn Rand would acknowledge that unemployed capital does nobody any good. Jesus consistently and positively affirmed the rights of landowners and employers. If Paul got hyperbolic about greed in his letter to Timothy, there was probably a reason.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            And let's not forget the parable of the talents where the master praised the two servants who invested them to create more while castigating the one who buried it.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Greetings! A fellow Atheist of Christian self-extraction here.

          Ackshuyally, in his Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, Jesus did say he came to uphold the Law of Moses, not destroy it.

          Hence, for Jesus, all the old barbarisms of Leviticus would presumably apply, and many of his modern followers (selectively, at least) would agree.

          Just glad I "gave up foolish things" and managed to spare my adulthood.

          No Anti-Semitism from my end here. Whether we humans are worm food or destined for The Singularity, Jews and indeed anyone of good will are welcome travel companions by me.
          🙂

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            Just glad I “gave up foolish things”

            It is possible to be an atheist without being a dick about it. When you condescend to calling belief in God foolishness, you rise to the level of anti-theist. I can't stand Neil DeGrasse Tyson or Penn Gillette for the same reason. Being petty and dismissive about religion is unlikely to ever sway anyone.

            1. DesigNate   2 years ago

              Is it though?

              (Just kidding, I know plenty who aren’t insufferable anti-religion bigots)

            2. Zeb   2 years ago

              I'm an atheist and couldn't agree more. Religion certainly has plenty of nasty stuff attached to it, and has been used as a tool of control by the powerful, but I think that's more human nature than anything specific to religion. You can't just dismiss something that has been such a fundamental part of all human societies.
              I just don't really understand religious faith, and as such I don't think I'm in a position to judge whether it's foolish for people to practice a religion. Especially since it seems to do a lot of people a lot of good to have that kind of faith and structured beliefs.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                I've never understood religious faith either, though I sometimes envy those who have it. It can and indeed does move mountains.

          2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Jesus did say he came to uphold the Law of Moses, not destroy it.

            Yeah, when the Gospels were being edited, they had to have Jesus say that to appease the conservative Jews in the movement. The more Hellenized Judeo-Christians certainly rolled their eyes at that, but they had to compromise.

        3. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago (edited)

          He made it cleat that the accumulation of wealth was bad – and this position is obviously antithetical to capitalism.

          More like the accumulation of wealth for wealth’s sake only. In the parable of the rich fool the man is ready to tear down his barns and build new ones to contain his wealth. I think what Jesus is saying in the parable is when one is blessed with unexpected abundance, one should consider how one receives the blessing and how one might serve both their interest and God’s.

          Luke 12:13-21The Parable of the Rich Fool

          13 Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”

          14 Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” 15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.”

          16 And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17 He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’

          18 “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19 And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’

          20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’

          21 “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”

        4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          He made it cleat that the accumulation of wealth was bad

          No, he said that putting money above eternal salvation was bad. He didn't say that being wealthy in and of itself was bad. It's "the love of money is the root of all evil," not "having money is evil." The reason it's difficult for a rich man to enter heaven is because rich people tend to be consumed by material comforts rather than obeying God.

          The rest of your statement is just question-begging.

          And “turn the other cheek”? Plus other stuff. And I did say, “generally”.

          A sweeping generalization doesn't prove your assertion.

          As I’m an atheist Jew, I have no dog in the fight other than describing how NT Jesus comes over to me

          Again, thanks for elegantly proving the point that was being made in the Twatter posts.

          But I also note that Jesus unambiguously condemned hypocrisy while remaining silent about abortion and homosexuality, and many self-proclaimed Christians don’t seem to be aware of this.

          You mean like, "Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”?

    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      Not a very deep observation. Pro-charity is not anti-capitalist and he was all about personal choice and never once advocated for forced redistribution. Check out the parable of the 10 virgins (righteous reward comes only for your own efforts) or the parable of the workers in the vineyard (it is unrighteous to resent the reward of others). The philosophies Jesus actually espoused are very compatible with libertarianism.

      As for purity of thought, I would point out that "lust" is not a passive verb. It isn't puritanical to point out that a person formulating a plan to commit adultery is guilty in all but deed. He never claimed that thinking that a person is attractive is a sin.

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        Pro-charity is indeed not anti-capitalist, but look at my response above.

        If you hold that the accumulation of wealth is bad, and that it is easier for an camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven, you're anti-capitalist, because not least you're DQ'ing the motive for capitalism in the first place.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          Jesus never said accumulating wealth is bad. You are conflating creating wealth and hoarding wealth, which, again, goes back to letting the Marxists set the definitions. Jesus was actually incredibly clear that holding back capital that could be making profit is sinful. Maybe you have not read the parable of the talents.

          26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.

          29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

        2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          Don't folk get rich in non-capitalist societies? Rulers and their cronies?

    4. Square = Circle   2 years ago

      NT Jesus was anti-capitalist

      There was no such thing as capitalism in the first century.

      This right here is a picture-perfect example of projecting contemporary politics onto an ancient figure that has no relationship with those politics whatsoever.

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        There was no such thing as capitalism in the first century.

        There was nothing called capitalism, for sure. But if someone holds attitudes then that would be inimical to capitalism now, it is perfectly reasonable to describe them as anti-capitalist.

        I am not sure your statement is universally true, though. Some Greek city-states seemed to have a version of it. That Thales could buy an option on the use of (privately owned) oil presses suggests that some form of proto-capitalism was out there.

        1. SRG   2 years ago

          Thanks for elegantly proving the point that was being made in the Twatter posts.

          And thanks for you three responders elegantly proving the point that was being made in the Twatter posts.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            It is a feature, not a bug. The reason the parables of Jesus have enjoyed such longevity in discussions is that people can glean what they as individuals are capable of gleaning from his words. The ambiguity is purposeful. It requires thoughtfulness.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Yeah, "i know you are but what am I" was about the level of response I expected from that.

          3. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Atheists explain religion is one of the dumber practices that have popped up in the last few centuries.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

              I was raised by atheists and realized on my own in my teens that disabusing others of their beliefs was a lose-lose scenario. Then I married a religious woman and as I lived faithfully, found that I was much happier and productive. Best of all, I was able to raise children who display a conscience and refuse to embrace the solipsism so prevalent in their generation.

            2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              Most atheists are formerly religious.

    5. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      You understand Jesus predated capitalism by about 1700 years right?

  49. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    The Labor Department's latest on inflation:

    I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don't believe anything the government tells me. - George Carlin

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      George would be calling for vax resistors and "white supremacists" to be rounded up in camps and executed if he were still alive.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Just because you want to murder everyone who disagrees with you politically doesn't mean everyone else is also a psychopath.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Man. 2 "you" comments in a row. Hopefully people don't start thinking sarc is a hypocrite.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            I’m told it’s “abstract thinking “.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Will you say it is abstract math?

  50. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Behold U.K. hate speech laws in action: [..] half-dozen officers taking an autistic teen into custody for saying one officer looked like a lesbian, like her grandma. scope creep is eternal https://t.co/b7edsvRrkK

    Slippery slope is the undefeated champion.

  51. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    "Some 39,255 American men and 10,194 American women committed suicide."

    Equal suicide for women!!!

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Do women suck at every job?

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        it is an established fact that women fail at suicide more frequently than men.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

          Suicide, like hand jobs and the wnba is on more thing that woman attempt to do that men are just naturally better at

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Female suicide attemptors tend to choose less violent methods that are more likely to fail.

      2. Eeyore   2 years ago

        Only the birthing person women.

      3. Zeb   2 years ago

        Only the really ambitious ones.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      40,000 suicides a day is the stat I learned from Blue Oyster Cult, and that’s what I believe.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

        Too much cowbell can lead to ideas like those.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Make the cowbells in my head stop!!!

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            But then there would be complete silence in there.

  52. Roberta   2 years ago

    Of people who kill themselves, how many do you think find they're just as unhappy dead as they were alive?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      I would guess that the concept of "happiness" is irrelevant on the other side.

  53. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Suicides decreased by 8.4 percent among 10-to-24-year-olds last year...

    Time for another lockdown mandate.

  54. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    How would Jesus vote?

    Nail-in ballot.

    ...

    Too soon?

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      beautiful.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      If you meet him, just say it was a joke about his work in the trades. I am sure he will be cool about it and let you hang with him.

  55. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    But the decision is not binding outside of the 5th Circuit (which includes Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas).

    Federal laws that are applied unevenly across the country. Perfect.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      That's why we have a Supreme Court.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        If they decide to get off their asses and do their job.

  56. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Annual core inflation ticked down to 4.7% in July from June's 4.8%.

    Thank you, Mr. President.

  57. Roberta   2 years ago

    Christians overwhelmingly ascribe their own personal politics to Jesus:

    Doesn't that make perfect sense? Jesus is a prescriptive guy, and by all accounts very persuasive. Why wouldn't you assume the way you vote is the way he told you to? Having it any other way would be silly.

  58. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Fifty-six percent of poll respondents support a federal agency regulating A.I. while just 14 percent were opposed.

    Maybe Skynet will spare us 14%.

  59. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    every day I remain grateful the US doesn’t share its parent country’s backwards laws about speech

    US legislators provide US law enforcement ample other opportunities to gang up on our autistic teens.

  60. Ghatanathoah   2 years ago

    I want to know about the Christians in the survey who didn't think Jesus would vote the same as they did. If you believe He is literally the son of God, why wouldn't you change your vote to match His?

    1. Roberta   2 years ago

      Exactly.

    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Or, why wouldn't you change His vote to match yours?

  61. mad.casual   2 years ago

    In a new survey, Christians overwhelmingly ascribe their own personal politics to Jesus

    Now do a survey of Left and Right politicos as to the meaning of the phrase "Shall not be infringed."

  62. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    I like to ask religionists, "Tell me something on which you disagree with God." If they've got nothing, then obviously they are just projecting their own beliefs and biases onto God, while claiming that they follow and obey Him.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      “Tell me something on which you disagree with God.”

      Seems like the Augustinian-type concept of an entity that is the ultimate source of all space time and matter in the universe, a concept that informs the idea of God in modern Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Pure Land Buddhism, isn't figuring into this.

      A god you can "disagree" with is just some sort of superman. This is fine if you're invoking Shinto or various Hindu religions, but I doubt this is the case.

      Under this concept it can't be wrong by the nature of its existence. A creation can only harmonize or enter discord with something like that.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago (edited)

        Feeling disagreement with God (or "disharmony", as you put it), is not the same as professing that He is wrong.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      I like to ask religionists,

      No, you don’t. And that’s the least sad assumption.

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