No, Most High School Boys Aren't Conservative
A new survey has sparked misplaced panic.

High school boys are now twice as likely to identify as conservative than liberal. Girls, on the other hand, are almost three times as likely to identify as liberal than conservative. This stark gender divide—found in a 2022 University of Michigan survey of high school seniors—has sparked concern from across the political spectrum. A trend of boys becoming more conservative seems to show everything from proof that young men are becoming "fascists" to the likely fall in marriage rates.
But what if the survey doesn't spell quite as much doom as it seems to?
Many commenting on the survey failed to notice that majorities of both genders responded without identifying a partisan political identity. The source of concern is concentrated among the paltry 23 percent of boys who identified as conservative and 30 percent of girls who identified as liberal—leaving just 13 percent of boys identifying as liberal, and 12 percent of girls as conservative. But 64 percent of boys and 58 percent of girls didn't identify as conservative or liberal—instead, they identified as "moderate," "none of the above," or "I don't know."
Yes, more boys than girls identify as conservative—about twice as much, according to the survey—and girls identify as liberal at a rate 17 percentage points higher than their male classmates. But this divide only pertains to a minority of young people.
The survey found that most high school seniors simply don't have a strong partisan political identity—the majority of them were either unsure of their beliefs or their opinions were more complicated than a two-dimensional left-right dichotomy.
However, this hasn't kept some from drawing overwrought conclusions from the data.
"Among liberals, the future is female," wrote psychology professor Jean Twenge of the survey in her book Generations. "And among conservatives, the future is male."
A Fox News article even insisted that "girls trend overwhelmingly liberal," despite only one in three of them identifying as such.
The fervor over the survey's results seems to play into a larger panic around social media's apparently pernicious influence on young people. From the left, too much Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate is pushing boys into a cycle of alt-right radicalization. And right-wing commentators argue that social media is causing girls to become depressed liberals.
But in reality, these surveyed high school seniors don't seem to care all that much about partisan politics, and those that do just happen to have a split along gendered lines. We shouldn't fret over supposedly polarized young people, particularly when they seem to slightly disfavor your political side. And we certainly shouldn't suggest, as many have, that government regulation of social media or online speech would do any good for them.
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No, Most High School Boys Aren't Conservative
A new survey has sparked misplaced panic.
Phew! THAT'S a relief!
Based on the previous article that Reason posted on this, it was scary to think that while girls were moving to the left on the well-founded, reasoned and demonstrable Trumpism, misogyny and mean tweets, it was scary to think that boys were being pulled to the right by the siren song of algorithmic debauchery. It's good to know they're not falling for it.
And by conservative, Emma and Reason mean Facist!
What a fucking joke this place has become.
Yeah it sure is a fucking joke that imbeciles like yourself see a sentence with two links in it, and attribute what was said to the author not to the people in the links.
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Is Sarcasmic being deliberately retarded, or is it just impossibly bad reading comprehension on his part?
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a bitch folks, even for the late middle aged.
One day sarc will learn what people choose to say or not say is a reflection of the bias they have when making selections.
It’s the booze.
He has been more angry lately. I think he can only afford cheap hooch theses days. Poor sarc.
Ah, always the resort to the personal attacks.
Did you call out sarc for his personal attacks today mikey?
If not then just shows your lack of principles and being a team player.
Or was this not a personal attack?
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Yeah it sure is a fucking joke that imbeciles like yourself
It is not an attack. It is a statement of fact. Sarc likes the drink. Buttplug likes the kiddies, and Jeffy prob does as well.
You’re an ass.
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Ah, always the resort to the personal attacks.
"Ah, always the resort to the personal attacks."
"You’re an ass."
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I’m just sad that his liver will probably take him out before he gets drunk and stupid enough to actually come looking for me.
It's so refreshing to see "libertarians" insulting the drug uses of others
I was wondering if you put the word 'libertarians' in quotes because you don't know what it means or because you don't think they do, but that question assumes the issue to be strictly your perception vs. theirs.
The better question would be: "Are you disagreeing with what they say or their right to say it?" because I'm pretty sure that, to a man, every last person criticizing sarcasmic's alcohol use/abuse fully agree that the government should have no part in preventing him from doing so.
Libertarians say drinking yourself into oblivion should be legal, but don’t have to approve of doing such a fucking stupid thing to yourself and can still mock it, sockpuppet.
You’re conflating libertarianism with libertinism, and they’re not the same thing. If you were libertarian you'd know that.
Liberteens hardest hit.
Libertarianihilism. It's a new thing, 2023 edition of The Dude.
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a bitch folks, even for the late middle aged.
I like this conception of drinking oneself stupid. Like getting hit so hard your ancestors feel it.
We should just call it drinking on self Sarcasmic.
Actually, Sarcasmic is correct on this one. The writer of the article was NOT saying that the writer believed this to be the case.
I mean, her disclaimer is, "Actually, most of them actually don't identify as fascists, it's only a small number of them." She doesn't really draw the distinction between conservatism and fascism.
Yeah, the difference is a fascist drinks milk.
Sure, dig deeper into the inane criticism of Camp by basing your counterargument on a quote from her that you made up.
The quote is in the article.
LOL, JesseAz posted a link to a parody story this morning, thinking it was a real story.
Did the parody cover turducken recipes or the best pairing with flavored HO2?
Nope, JesseAz actually believed liberals were buying black people AR15s to freak out white gun enthusiasts.
Yeah, we know it’s fake because leftists would never pass the background check.
Turducken. H02. Blm riots were mostly peaceful. Lethal fire extinguisher.
I can post democrats utilizing the same talking points if you want. Poes law got me. Admitted to it. Something you'll never do lol.
You really are stupid delusional bitch.
Oh my God. Did he link to a parody of someone saying I'm not genetically modified? Who would fall for that unscientific thought?
https://reason.com/2023/08/03/no-most-high-school-boys-arent-conservative/?comments=true#comment-10183010
Good. I was worried someone wouldn't believe i was lab grown genetically modified. We both know better.
I want to believe!
I missed that, was it before or after she called Joe Rogan alt-right?
You missed that quote from A Thinking Mind because it's not there. He made it up.
You dumb liar, it’s literally in the article.
I didn't pull a verbatim quote out of the article. What she did say was this:
"Yes, more boys than girls identify as conservative—about twice as much, according to the survey—and girls identify as liberal at a rate 17 percentage points higher than their male classmates. But this divide only pertains to a minority of young people."
But when she's opening up with people equating conservatism with fascism in the first paragraph of the article, and the whole point of the article (based on the title) seems to be "Don't worry, conservatism isn't really on the rise, you're safe," it creates a framing device for how she talks about politics in the rest of the article. She doesn't do much to distance herself form it.
Now someone might contend that people who identify on the left get called socialists all the time, so this a both sides thing. Except: There actually ARE socialists in the Democratic Party, they own the label. They argue in defense of socialism, they defend socialist institutions in other countries, they think we need more socialism in our government. People on the right overwhelmingly reject being called fascists. It's probably less than a tenth of a percent of the US population who would identify themselves as facists. When assholes like the National Justice Party try to hold events, they're lucky to draw 20 actual people who aren't protestors. Fascism is outside the Overton Window, but Socialism is well inside of it.
“people equating conservatism with fascism”
Yes, she linked to someone saying that. She did not say it. And then you typed two paragraphs of stuff based on that mistake in your reading comprehension.
She quoted it you stupid asshole.
We can read, you fucking nitwit. Quit simping so hard
You’re done pussy. Slither back into your piss soaked garbage can.
Looks more like the Author HAS that viewpoint and was looking for something to justify it. All she found was a Tweet, not an article.
You don't seem to understand how links, quoting, or maybe even sentences in general work.
Why did she select that specific quote Mike?
Reasok has no problems discounting or criticizing quotes from conservatives or others. But seemingly can't spend 5s disputing the essence of the quote they chose there.
LOL, you thought a parody story was real.
Was it the story that masks work?
Was it lethal fire extinguishers?
LOL, you thought:
Water is Hydrogen dioxide.
A Hill cop was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.
Turducken are genetically modified.
Yeah, she’s just another little leftist twat. Reason is really recruiting the best and brightest, aren’t they?
I thought conservatives were more likely to get married...
No shit.
I've often given Emma a break, but this is too goddamned much.
First off, Fuck you Emma. This is the cuntiest thing you've ever written.
How the fuck can a libertarian publication repeat the ridiculous notion that "conservative" means "Facist" or, even worse, would point to a fall in marriage rates? Typically, conservatives are focused on liberty, community, and a nuclear family. You know, the kind where mother and father raise kids together as a cohesive team. Literally the exact opposite of facism and being forever single.
Emma's response? Well, don't worry, they're not REALLY conservative, so we don't have to worry about them being fascist and misogynist.
Geez fuck, I'm not much of a misogynist, nor much of a conservative, but I sure think a hell of a lot less of this progressive woman now.
Liberteen Socialists are disappointed that men find them appalling.
Emma "Concentration" Camp hardest hit.
Damn squirrels
The most scurrilous squirrel has a book out:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-thin-line-between-postliberalism-and-theocracy?sra=true&cid=gen_sign_in
Well I think we have all been a little overwrought at the prospect of a generation of toxic conservative
men. AKA fascists. I know I will sleep a little more soundly tonight.
“Based on the previous article that Reason posted on this”
What precious article is that? ENB posted a link to the study, without commentary, in yesterday’s morning roundup. Was there another article beside that?
So much butthurt.
Crickets. This “article” that Diane/Paul is objecting to only exists in her/his head.
"Phew! THAT’S a relief!"
I know, right? Can you imagine if more people were interested in limited government and free markets, especially if they were young?
Back in the 60's (ah, the glory days of my youth) most college guys were against participating in the Vietnam War, out of educated self-interest. Also, even for those who felt if we were there we ought to try to win in, there were "other considerations". Most of us would have declared our liberalism, and even appeared to be liberal if the camouflage worked.
You have to understand that in the mid- and late-60's college boys pretty much had only two priorities (1) keep your grades high enough (to protect your draft deferment or to qualify you for the professional school you were aiming at), and (2) getting laid by some girl with a decent face and figure (land whales didn't count) who didn't require declarations of undying love or promises of matrimony and would "do it", either out of rebellion or just because it felt good. Those were, for the most part, liberal girls (which was why the camouflage was necessary). Which priority was first and which was second was "variable" depending on the testing schedule of your courses. Those those priorities for campus males haven't changed (but on-campus hunting has gotten easier though use of camouflage remains necessary).
Most of the girls who were readily available (i.e., would do it because if felt good and didn't require a declaration of your undying love or promise of matrimony) were of the liberal bent. So most of guys had two choices (1) either we were liberal, or (2) we donned "camouflage" to appear liberal, so we could more easily get laid.
I'm sure most most of the feminists will condemn males having such attitudes, and more than a few "white knights" will deny and condemn those of us who operated that way; only a very few castrati actually disapprove of such actions.
That's the way the world was. Deal with it. And recognize human nature and and teen-aged male libido hasn't changed. And remember, if you want to get it wet, you'll tell it what it wants to hear.
No. All little boys are right wing. If you have what you think is a little boy who is also showing signs of being left wing - you actually have a little girl who needs gender affirming surgery.
Hmmm.... maybe the end goal is to leave only the alpha males as men, so every girl can have an alpha male? (even if they have to share?)
I don’t think anyone has thought of that idea before!
Sad. This is not the universe where I am alpha male enough to bother sharing.
That is brilliant! Well played.
Not necessarily. You could just have a little boy who’s going to grow up chewing on things his daddy wouldn’t.
Don't worry. Once those kids get their first paycheck many of them will instantly become conservatives. Well, in the traditional sense. Not Trumpian morons. At least I hope not.
“Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains.”
― Winston S. Churchill
Ah, the midwit's credo
He who repeated that alleged quote before the birth of the Internet was merely fooled; he who repeats it long after you can check its accuracy is a fool.
WHy, it's still a good quote.
The TDS is strong in you, dude.
Sarc pines for the return of the neocons.
Unless they get a cushy government job. Sigh.
I thought conservatism was just an idea?
Well, it's an idea that we're happy to report, young boys aren't falling for. Everyone remains safely in the Overton window to the west.
If the picture on the story is representative of “high school boys”, there isn’t enough testosterone between the three of them to make one David Brooks-style conservative.
Says Diane/Paul.
Those “low t” comments sure get to guys like you.
I’m sure your body swells with estrogen when you read comments like that, doesn’t it Mike?
Just the upper part of his chest.
A David Brooks style what?
AOC has more on hand .
If ANY high school boys are conservative, some teachers are going to get kicked out of the union!
>>has sparked concern from across the political spectrum.
idk seems ginned up. and panic?
By that she means it sparked concern from the left. Conservatives know young women lean strongly left. If anything, it's a bit surprising and encouraging to hear that young boys lean to the right. It's interesting how the only fear she cites is the small majority of young male partisans identifying as conservative while ignoring the heavier political bias of young females.
It's also kinda dumb to say that the remainder who didn't identify with a party are the more important data point. We have effectively a 2 party electoral system so it's likely the remaining "moderates" and non-partisans will fall into either camp when it comes to social interactions, voting, and activism. I'm curious if the leanings of the partisans translates proportionally to the remainder.
she needs to discover phish ... seems wound tighter than Cameron Frye
It’s also kinda dumb to say that the remainder who didn’t identify with a party are the more important data point. We have effectively a 2 party electoral system so it’s likely the remaining “moderates” and non-partisans will fall into either camp when it comes to social interactions, voting, and activism. I’m curious if the leanings of the partisans translates proportionally to the remainder.
Yeah, as I pointed out below. 2019-2021 pretty openly demonstrated that people who were ardently, let alone moderately, open-borders and “my body my choice”, even if politically unaffiliated, were really just waiting to go full Mengele/Lysenko/Checkpoint Charlie on a relatively randomly chosen set of undesirables they seemingly didn’t even know existed “two weeks” prior. “I don’t know” would seem just as, if not more, likely to mean “I don’t want to limit my political oppression to just one party.” as “I don’t really want to oppress anyone.”
A new survey has sparked misplaced panic.
You can tell it has Emma in a panic.
She must prefer leftist submissive soy boys, like White Mike. His estrogen numbers are off the charts.
They might as well have said boys were turning into werewolves.
It strains credibility that you guys read that blog post and didn't get that she was mocking the panicked liberals. Your reading comprehension is really that bad. Amazing.
"has sparked concern from across the political spectrum" literally the author's words.
And Camp must be _somewhere_ on the political spectrum just like the people she is writing about, therefore she is panicked. Solid logical thinking and reading comprehension there.
We all know YOU are on the spectrum.
Oh, she’s somewhere on the spectrum. Just like you. In your case, the retard part of it.
How dare you read into her words. Isnt that your constant defense of ENB?
She's not mocking the left for believing that high school boys are "fascists" for simply identifying as conservatives. She's only noting how they misread the survey.
For all intents and purposes, she believes that it's a bad thing for high school boys to identify as conservatives. She actually wrote - "But what if the survey doesn't spell quite as much doom as it seems to?" This could be read as a tongue in cheek comment, but given her hostility to the center right and her failure to challenge the liberal delusion, it can be read as her giving credence to that notion. She's effectively saying "Relax liberals, the survey actually says most high school males are not fascists".
Maybe that wasn't her intention, but ask yourself - why isn't the title of the article something like "both sides misread survey on teen politicization"? Or "Most high school teens do not identify as liberal or conservatives"? Or how about "No, most girls aren't liberals"?
Let the cope flow!
Looking at the rates of SSRI usage and the self-professed feelings of girls/women --- seems the Right wing has a pretty solid view on what social media does.
Wow, this entire post comes from a point of view that it would be a tragedy if it were the case that most high school boys were conservative. At least we know where young Emma stands.
It does not. It is mocking people who think that. SMDH.
“You didn’t read it right!”
Mike doesn't realize he constantly accuses people of reading into the authors words. This is pretty damn funny.
Sorry, the author clearly cedes the point that conservative = bad. And what's more = fascist. But tells us not to worry, they're not really all that conservative.
No, she doesn’t. She is simply referencing what a liberal pundit said.
She's too young and female to have written it sarcastically.
Wow!
"No, Most High School Boys Aren't Conservative
A new survey has sparked misplaced panic."
Sure tells you a lot about the circles (bubbles) Emma floats in. It never figures in her ken that millions of people think that would be a good thing.
And right-wing commentators argue that social media is causing girls to become depressed liberals.
Linked article doesn't say what you think it says. Social media barely gets a mention. Here's the last paragraph of that article.
While all of these numbers may point to correlations rather than causalities, they certainly raise some questions worth asking. What, in particular, is happening with liberal women that makes them more inclined to report higher levels of unhappiness and mental illness? Are mentally ill people simply more drawn to liberal politics, or is the liberal ideology opening the door to a lack of fulfillment?
Seems more explorative than conclusive. There may be other conservatives who blame social media for brainwashing women into being liberals or contributing to depression, but that article ain't it.
Seems more explorative than conclusive.
Are you saying she's stupid? You probably think she's fat too don't you? You bigoted, mansplaining misogynist!
But 64 percent of boys and 58 percent of girls didn't identify as conservative or liberal—instead, they identified as "moderate," "none of the above," or "I don't know."
Even in high school they know to lie to the survey takers and pollsters.
Or they just want to get dates and don't want to alarm the other sex.
Or they are more likely to take a side when they get into college.
But 64 percent of boys and 58 percent of girls didn't identify as conservative or liberal—instead, they identified as "moderate," "none of the above," or "I don't know."
That is incredibly good news. Maybe we'll finally get rid of the old, broken Teams Blue and Red.
People who have to exist in leftist run dictatorships tend to keep their heads down.
When they escape they can finally speak up.
You really think around 60% of Gen Z will vote for some moderate / independent candidates?
In addition to the "Don't panic, boys aren't identifying as conservatives like both sides fear they are." narrative. I also like how Emma's keeping up the "boaf sidez" narratives with regard to moderates. Like 2019-2021 didn't teach us that somewhere around 58-64% of the population would identify as "moderate", "none of the above", or "I don't know" while telling the Nazis exactly which attics the Jews are hiding in.
The linked Fox article discussed TRENDS in the survey's past data vis a vis current results - rather meaningfully, it turns out.
The Reason (this) article totally ignores the trends in the data, better than half the "picture," I'd say.
When commenting about the study and the nanny social response to it, all you had to do was say, "PANIC!" and you could have saved a thousand words of unnecessary verbiage. Do you get paid by the word here or something? Such studies are just barely meaningful in the first place, and taper off quickly into nonsense if the researchers were consciously or unconsciously biased, or not careful about the study design. And the hand-wringing starts out at "incoherent" and mutates with the passage of time into "insane."
The whole point of the blog post is the panic is unwarranted.
The very opposite of Camp screaming, “PANIC!”
She was signaling to her allies that they shouldn’t provide ammunition to the right.
And little Emma is a self describe leftist.
Maybe she should stop worrying about left or right. She should relax, go have a beer.
IDK. Is she the one with the side view license that can’t get served?
I got that. For the sake of argument, even if it were true that the study was legit and even if it were true that two-thirds of “boys” were conservative and two-thirds of “girls” were liberal it STILL wouldn’t justify “panic” no matter how you define liberal and conservative. The nannies see existential threats to Our Democracy (TM) everywhere and the fear that someone, somewhere might be questioning The Narrative (TM) about My Truth (TM) gives them hard shaking chills and makes them all head to their Safe Space (TM), curled up in the foetal position until they feel able to bravely and independently march out arm in arm to protest world hunger and microagressions again!
The "unwarranted panic" isn't that liberals think boys are fascists for identifying as conservatives. It's the fact that they misread the survey and got the wrong impression that boys are becoming more conservative.
Yes, she's ultimately pointing out that the survey shows most high kids are politically neutral and moderate. But the title of the article isn't "Both side gets survey wrong" or "No, most girls aren't liberals". She specifically wanted to debunk the idea that most boys are becoming conservatives and lays out the liberal paranoia. Then she just says "Relax, libs, survey says they're not fascists".
Imagine how this article would read like if "conservative" was replaced by "libertarian." It obviously has to deal with data and how people misunderstand them, but more important would be addressing the notion that libertarians are some Joe Rogan loving fascists. "Survey says most kids aren't libertarians, but even did, you should stop acting like scared chickens" should be the takeaway.
High school boys are now twice as likely to identify as conservative than liberal
Does this include the high school girls who identify as high school boys?
Meanwhile...
"Everything Appears To Be A Cover Up": Capitol Police Chief Challenged J6 Narrative In Never-Aired Tucker Carlson Interview
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/everything-appears-be-cover-capitol-police-chief-challenged-j6-narrative-never-aired
Yeah it's looking more and more like January 6 was part of an insurrection alright, only one planned by Pelosi and the FBI rather than Trump.
Uppity citizens in Oakland.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/oakland-naacp-begs-more-cops-amid-heyday-criminals
The Oakland branch of the NAACP says that thanks to the city's "failed" leadership and the movement to defund the police, crime is rampant and "everyone's in danger." In a blistering op-ed, the NAACP slams the city - including DA Pamela Price, for public safety spiraling out of control, Golden Gate Media reports.
"Oakland residents are sick and tired of our intolerable public safety crisis that overwhelmingly impacts minority communities. Murders, shootings, violent armed robberies, home invasions, car break-ins, sideshows, and highway shootouts have become a pervasive fixture of life in Oakland. We call on all elected leaders to unite and declare a state of emergency and bring together massive resources to address our public safety crisis," reads the letter.
of all places Oakland appears to have a level headed branch of the NAACP. Amazing really
One wonders if there exists somewhere a record of the Oakland NAACP's position on these issues in 2020.
No, Most High School Boys Aren't Conservative
nah. the boys are based. I'm seeing it myself. Get used to it folks
I’m thinking the boys are smart enough to lie to the people who want to destroy them.
When they’re being told that they should be going out with trannies, or their bigots, it probably isn’t playing too well.
Like many slang terms, I am not completely sure I know what it means to be "based". It seems to mean someone who is right-leaning and immune to the incessant left-wing nattering. Is that about right?
That isn't slang. It is biased, but missing the "i".
Unfortunately.
I was going to comment, but, as usual, the stupid regulars beat me to it. I guess I need to lose my job and read REASON all day.
You ARE one of the stupid regulars. If you were not, you would just comment, instead of claiming prior comments interfered with your doing so.
In the first paragraph, the author confirms not understanding what conservative is. That invalidates whatever the rest of the article attempts to argue.
What did Camp say in that first paragraph that leads you to that conclusion?
Why don't you love your family like you do reason writers?
Given that conservatives are anti-fascists and pro-marriage, such a "concern" would have to be rooted in a fundamental ignorance of politics, political terms, and their meanings.
boys becoming more conservative seems to show everything from proof that young men are becoming fascists to the likely fall in marriage rates.<
What a crock of bullshit lie. Conservatives value traditional values like god, church, marriage and children. It is liberals that hate them all.
fascism:
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, which party has ruled by mandates and excessive executive orders to the point their own Speaker of the House complained about Congress being bypassed? the Democrats
a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, Which party has issued many and excessive stringent regulations on almost everything? the Democrats. Which party works with industry and big tech to silence their opposition. Which party works with schools, tech and bid business to indoctrinate children into their theology? the Democrats
violent suppression of the opposition, Which party continually legally harasses, indicts and arrests their political opposition? The Democrats. Which party keeps political prisoners locked up for years with no charges, not bail, no attorneys, and no trials? the Democrats
and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. Which party has LGBTQ as the new nationalism, being belligerent, arresting people that use words like pronouns they don't like? Which party is promoting white hate? the Democrats.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.Oppressive, dictatorial control. Trying to federalize elections while holding power. Indoctrination in schools, starting a ministry of truth (disinformation dept)
So who are the fascists? The Democrats.
I challenge any liberal troll here to tell why the conservatives are fascist? Because they are certainly not.
As for patriotism, if that is fascist, then we were founded as a fascist nation by the great patriots George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams, John Hancock and on and on, and that is also a ridiculous thought.
Amazing that this is MSNBC, not The Bee - - - - - -
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/03/msnbcs-al-sharpton-can-you-imagine-if-thomas-jefferson-tried-to-overthrow-the-government/
Holy shit no. Even Dullton can't be that fucking stupid.
No takers liberal trolls? Not surprised.
Dear editors of Reason
If you read this article and thought for one second that there was anything Libertarian about the article, the thoughts and reasoning process behind the article, or the author, you have no business editing a libertarian magazine.
This would exist happily at Jezebel.com. The base assumptions are from a fully progressive world view, with a fairly openly stated agenda of "we need a more progressive world".
In 2023, if you have not figured out that the progressive movement is the greatest threat to liberty in America in your lifetime, you have no business claiming the Libertarian mantle. Not even a little bit.
There is plenty to complain about in other ideologies and movements, but these people are openly contemptuous of all political freedom. They openly oppose freedom of speech. They happily decry freedom of association. They loudly proclaim their disdain for "a nation of laws, not men". They boldly demand *more* corruption of the power of government, bending it to partisan political uses.
There is no "reading of tea leaves" required to understand where we are. They are quite open on all of these fronts. They demand a world where even thought is constrained through the strict control of information and even language.
Even your precious support for sex workers is under attack from the left, far more than from the right.
And left, right or center, there is nothing people find more contemptible than a hypocrite. Either leave, or change the masthead. There are no libertarians here. There are a few libertarian-adjacent left-liberals like Soave... and maybe one libertarian emeritus in the old guard wearing his leather jacket. The two of you guys should turn out the lights on your way out.
Even your precious support for sex workers is under attack from the left,
But, but... Biden picked a whore for his VP!
-jcr
I would never endorse that comment, however tongue in cheek.... but.... she was the chief antagonist of the Backpage Saga that reached its latest chapter with the suicide of one of the owners after a couple of decades of harassment. So I can't really disavow the appellation either, now when used as a pejorative rather than a job description.
Study her rise in politics it is public, she earned her moniker of “Heels up Harris” for a very real reason.
The majority party is “none of the above”. That is the real takeaway.
What kind of analysis looks at a survey and completely ignores 60% of the answers?
The kind of analysis where the conclusion comes before the premise. In other words, this is yet another fact-adjacent editorial dressed up to look like an objective take.
How refreshing it would be for a journalist to have no preconceived ideas, and instead just immerse herself in information, letting the facts draw their own conclusion, and then wrote it up in an engaging and interesting manner.
Almost like reporting "news".
Huh? Camp did say, right there in the blog post we all supposedly read, that the takeaway is that most teens aren’t aligned with one of the two major political parties.
The author is a leftist millennial hack. Why is it“doom” if they are conservative you stupid bleating sheep ? Reason long ago lost any libertarian soul that it possessed.
Maybe the boys are sick of being vilified by unhinged commie misandrist cunts.
-jcr
Since when does Reason champion communist rhetoric?
Strange indeed. First of all, the term conservative can mean anything from opposing the crazy of the left (and if pushed the right) to Trump style disruption and jingoism - and liberal anything from concern for the vulnerable to the extremly illiberal of, say, mandating silly pronouns or throwing the book at truckers for protesting against their government (why else would you protest?). Second, conservatism means the OPPOSITE of fascism (with its predilection for overweening use of government coercion) and relictance to marry. Third, boys have always been less fervent on average in their support of social justice, using the term in its original, neutral sense, than girls, so what is new?
The alarm, apart from the exaggeration explained in the article, seems to stem from a conflation of small c conservatism with the antics of Trump, q anon, and the Proud Boys - and the strange strawman of the basement dwelling incel. But those are all by definition not conservative - the term means, or should mean, scepticism about too swift changes (but also embrace and defense of changes that have proved their mettle, such as civil rights and gay marriage).
We need the left to fight for progress. The classical liberals (libertarians without the crazy) to ensure freedom and fiscal prudence. The conservatives to moderate them both. To raise alarm about a fifth of boys identifying themselves with the latter should be good news. And I am saying that as a firm liberal.