Did Drug Decriminalization Cause a 'Catastrophe' in Oregon?
Many of the problems the state is experiencing are caused by the continuing impact of prohibition.

Three years ago, Oregon voters approved a groundbreaking ballot initiative that eliminated criminal penalties for low-level drug possession. The result of that "reckless experiment," New York Times columnist Bret Stephens claims, has been a "catastrophe" featuring increases in "opioid overdose deaths," "shooting incidents," and public nuisances such as discarded needles, "human feces," and "oral sex."
Stephens' assessment, which draws heavily on a story by Times reporter Jan Hoffman that was published on Monday, combines legitimate concerns about drug addiction and public order with misleading implications based on out-of-context statistics. And because Stephens ignores the main argument for decriminalization—that it is unjust to treat drug use as a crime—he never grapples with the morality of the policy it replaced.
It is important to keep in mind that Oregon's Measure 110 did nothing to address the supply of illegal drugs, which remain just as iffy and potentially deadly as they were before the initiative was approved. Decriminalization was limited to drug users, and it was based on the premise that people should not be arrested merely for consuming forbidden intoxicants. This distinction between drug users and drug suppliers is similar to the policy enacted during Prohibition, when bootleggers were treated as criminals but drinkers were not.
Measure 110 changed low-level drug possession from a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail and a maximum fine of $6,250, to a Class E violation, punishable by a $100 fine. Drug users who receive citations can avoid the fine by agreeing to undergo a "health assessment" that is supposed to "prioritize the self-identified needs of the client." That assessment might result in a treatment referral, but participation is voluntary.
Despite the limited nature of Oregon's reform, which was not designed to reduce the hazards posed by the highly variable and unpredictable composition of black-market drugs, Stephens thinks the fact that drug-related deaths continued to rise in Oregon shows that decriminalization has failed. "In 2019 there were 280 unintentional opioid overdose deaths in Oregon," he writes. "In 2021 there were 745."
Stephens neglects to mention that drug-related deaths rose nationwide during that period, from about 71,000 in 2019 to more than 107,000 in 2021. The number of deaths involving opioids rose from about 50,000 to about 81,000—a 62 percent increase.
To be sure, the increase in Oregon that Stephens notes was much larger. But how does it compare to trends in other jurisdictions that did not decriminalize drug use?
Between 2019 and 2021, Oregon's age-adjusted opioid overdose death rate rose from 7.6 to 18.1 per 100,000 residents. California saw a similar increase: from 7.9 to 17.8. In Washington, the rate likewise nearly doubled, from 10.5 to 20.5. And even in 2021, Oregon's rate was lower than the national rate (24.7) and much lower than the rates in states such as Connecticut (38.3), Delaware (48.1), Kentucky (44.8), Maine (42.4), Maryland (38.5), Tennessee (45.5), Vermont (37.4), and West Virginia (77.2). On its face, this does not look like evidence that decriminalization is responsible for Oregon's continuing rise in opioid-related deaths.*
While Measure 110 does not seem to have caused an increase in drug-related deaths, it manifestly did not prevent that increase. Was it supposed to?
As Stephens notes, the initiative's supporters argued that the resulting health assessments, combined with new funding for treatment from marijuana taxes, would help people with drug problems turn their lives around. He acknowledges that defenders of Measure 110 complain of "funding shortfalls" and point out that "funds for harm reduction, housing and other services have been slow to arrive." But he notes that the new system so far does not seem to have channeled many people toward treatment. "Of the 4,000 drug use citations issued in Oregon during the first two years of Measure 110," he says, citing an article in The Economist, "only 40 people called the hotline [for health assessments] and were interested in treatment."
Those numbers seem to validate the warnings of Measure 110 critics that, without the threat of jail, few drug users would be interested in treatment. But while forcing drug users to choose between jail and treatment surely boosts the number of people enrolled in such programs, there is reason to question the long-term effectiveness of that policy, which makes a difference only for people who are not yet ready to seek help on their own.
According to a systematic review of the evidence that the International Journal of Drug Policy published in 2016, research "does not, on the whole, suggest improved outcomes related to compulsory treatment approaches, with some studies suggesting potential harms." The authors conclude that "given the potential for human rights abuses within compulsory treatment settings, non-compulsory treatment modalities should be prioritized by policymakers seeking to reduce drug-related harms."
Notably, people with drinking problems generally are not subjected to compulsory treatment unless they commit crimes such as driving while intoxicated. Since alcohol is legal, heavy drinkers are free to ruin their health and their lives as long as they do not injure or endanger others.
Drug prohibition also blurs another distinction that is commonly applied to alcohol: the difference between use and abuse. Anyone caught with illegal drugs, whether or not he is experiencing life-disrupting problems, might be required to enroll in treatment if he wants to avoid criminal penalties. That approach is akin to requiring treatment for all drinkers, including occasional and moderate consumers.
Stephens does not pause to consider whether these differences make moral or practical sense, and he seems confused about how to classify the conduct of people with drug problems. "Addicts are not merely sick people trying to get well, like cancer sufferers in need of chemotherapy," he says. "They are people who often will do just about anything to get high, however irrational, self-destructive or, in some cases, criminal their behavior becomes. Addiction may be a disease, but it's also a lifestyle—one that decriminalization does a lot to facilitate. It's easier to get high wherever and however you want when the cops are powerless to stop you."
Viewing addiction as a disease that overrides free will is convenient for drug warriors, because it justifies forcible intervention. If addicts cannot reasonably be expected to control themselves, the argument goes, the government must step in to help them, whether or not they want that help. Their choices and preferences need not be respected, because they are illusory, a product of pharmacological slavery. At the same time, however, it seems patently unjust to punish people for behavior they purportedly cannot control.
Stephens tries to square that circle by selectively applying the disease model. Addicts are sick, he says, but they are also bad, because they have chosen a destructive and antisocial "lifestyle." Although they are incapable of controlling their drug use, which makes compulsory treatment appropriate, they nevertheless respond to incentives, such that removing the threat of arrest changes their behavior. Their "disease" means they should not be treated as autonomous moral agents, except when it comes to holding them criminally liable for their actions.
That paradox can be avoided if we view addiction as a bad habit that is hard but not impossible to change, a pattern of behavior that cannot be explained by chemistry without also considering the psychological and environmental factors that drive self-destructive attachments to psychoactive substances. According to that view, addicts make choices all the time, albeit choices that are strongly influenced by their personal and social circumstances. There is nothing inherently illogical or unfair about holding them responsible for those choices when they impinge on other people's rights.
That means a heavy drug user who steals to support his habit is not immune from criminal penalties. It also means the government can justifiably regulate what drug users do in public, where their actions might offend, incommode, or alarm people who have an equal right to use sidewalks, parks, and other taxpayer-funded facilities. Although Stephens implies otherwise, eliminating criminal penalties for drug possession does not require tolerating public drug use, defecation, or blowjobs.
In practice, of course, a jurisdiction that decriminalizes drug use when every other jurisdiction continues to treat it as a crime may attract people inclined to behave in the ways that Hoffman and Stephens describe. But those nuisances—which many major cities face, regardless of whether they routinely arrest people for drug possession—are a problem distinct from drug use per se.
Stephens also blames decriminalization for an increase in violent crime. "In 2019 there were 413 shooting incidents in Portland," he writes. "In 2022 there were 1,309." As he notes, that number now seems to be falling: There were 540 shooting incidents in the first half of this year, down from 674 in the first half of last year.
Although Stephens does not spell out the causal connection he has in mind, the reasoning presumably is that decriminalization encouraged drug use and attracted more drug users to the city, boosting demand and therefore black-market activity. But the violence that attends such activity, which is notably absent from legal markets in drugs such as alcohol, is entirely a product of prohibition. Just as Measure 110 did not improve the quality and consistency of illegal drugs, it did not solve the problem of black-market violence, which would require a more fundamental reform.
Decriminalizing drug possession, in short, is a halfway measure that reduces but by no means eliminates the harm caused by prohibition. Stephens, who assigns little or no weight to the benefits of eschewing criminal penalties for conduct that violates no one's rights, is loath to acknowledge even that limited accomplishment.
"Some readers," Stephens says, may argue that "we don't want to return to the cost, violence and apparent fruitlessness of the old war on drugs. But that depends on whether the price of endless war exceeds or falls short of the price of permanent surrender."
Prohibition, Stephens concedes, is ineffective and expensive, and it fosters violence, which is hardly an exhaustive list of its problems. In this context, "permanent surrender" counts as a victory.
*Correction: The original version of this post erroneously cited data from the Oregon Health Authority as evidence that opioid-related deaths in Oregon fell last year. But those data covered only part of 2022; the preliminary estimate for the full year indicates a small increase in fatal overdoses involving opioids.
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Oh well, the libertarians had their moment in trying decriminalization just a little bit. Since it didn't solve every single problem, therefore let's get rid of it and throw the drug users in jail where they will be 'out of sight, out of mind' for the polite conservatives like Bret Stephens and all will be well with the world again. Well except for those drug users who have their lives ruined by the criminal justice system far more than any drug would have done, but that is of no concern to people like Bret Stephens.
Or they could just try imprisoning drug users when they commit a different type of crime.
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What problems DID it solve?
It did solve ALL of them...but was there one it solved?
Problem is that Portland's policy is cruel to both citizens and the drug users.
Fewer lives ruined by the criminal justice system for possessing small amounts of drugs.
So instead of a guy spending a year in jail, spending all of that time and money on lawyers and court appearances, potentially losing his job, potentially losing his place to live, potentially losing relationships and friendships, and the huge opportunity costs of all of that time wasted when that time could have been spent doing something productive, the low-level drug user instead pays a fine, like a fine for a speeding ticket, and then goes on with the rest of his life.
That's the problem that was solved.
But because the people who were most affected by the benefits of this law were the types of people Bret Stephens would never run into at a cocktail party anyway, all he sees are the drawbacks.
Now tell us what the penalty for trespassing on federal property should be, asshoe.
Oh thats easy. Jeff thinks trespassers on public property can be shot. I can provide the link when he denies he said it. He even said it was the libertarian standpoint.
Now tell us that all you want to do is troll without addressing the substance of the issue.
Oh wait, you just did.
Jeff, while it's nice for the random junkie to not be in jail --- living on the street and getting more and more into addiction is not a positive.
And the impact on EVERYBODY ELSE who does not do the drugs is something that cannot be ignored. Crime is high, which is a massive problem for the others who do not do drugs. The addicts are held to absolutely no standard for behavior. The world does not work like that.
‘out of sight, out of mind’... is very desirable for normal people.
The pendulum has swung too far. Normal people don't want to have to step over unconscious drug addicts, or their turds when traversing the public square. Normal people don't want to contend with crazed, violent headcases either. If the only option to deal with this crap is to crack down with stiff legal penalties then so be it.
So you're advocating for the creation of a pre-crime police department? Y'know, just in case there's eventually an actual victim.
Did Drug Decriminalization Cause a 'Catastrophe' in Oregon?
Many of the problems the state is experiencing are caused by the continuing impact of prohibition.
Why are the streets of Nagoya, Japan, not filled utterly with tents and fentanyl addicts, despite their very, VERY harsh system of prohibition?
Mike Riggs got his way in Seattle, San Francisco, Portland etc., and as I have repeatedly said-- and am absolutely right about, this is no longer the lofty theory of academic think tanks, these ideas were tried in real time, on the ground, doubled, tripled, quadrupled and quintuple-downed on, and we have the results all around us.
If you want a real, thoughtful explanation of what went wrong, I would point you to Michael Shellenberger, self-described libertarian and former Soros-reform progressive.
Transcript available for those who know how to internet!
From the transcript:
Do you agree with this assessment?
Yes
Okay then. So what should be done for America to become a "civilized country" then?
So Diane/Paul, are you going to address this? Or is your main contribution here going to ONLY be just a critique of the things that you hate?
Okay, so I listen more and more to the Shellenberger video that you posted.
He's explicitly saying that he wants the laws that homeless addicts commonly break, such as laws against public camping or vandalism, to be used by law enforcement to start the drug intervention process to get them into rehab.
And I think we need to think very carefully about the libertarian implications of such a policy.
Do you support this idea?
public property belongs to the entire public not just the bottom feeders
Even still, why should breaking a certain law, no matter how just the law or how airtight the conviction is, be used as a pretext by the state to form the basis of a wide-ranging exploration of one’s personal issues and how the state may guide you to mental well-being?
For example, if a person is convicted of some gun-related law (let’s assume for the moment that it’s a gun-related law that we agree ought to exist), should the state then use that conviction to explore into the person’s gun habits and ‘encourage’ the person to change his/her ways? Or would that be considered a little bit creepy and intrusive?
To answer your first question without belaboring the details: Generally, addressing the underlying reasons that cause criminal activity is the basis of effective public policy.
To answer your second question: potentially yes, depending on what you mean by “ways” and if those way resulted in violation of the gun law we agree upon. The discussion below considers only the first question.
I get that you’re refuting Shellenberger, who might be arguing for pretextual intervention, but his idea should be placed in the context of reality, and the reality is that most jurisdictions do presently evict homes erected on public land. It would not be accurate to describe continued enforcement as a pretext just because the government segues into intervention afterwards.
Further, your initial post to this article complains about someone contending that Oregon should throw the baby out with the bathwater because the bathwater isn’t perfect, but here you make the same error by portraying the worst possible way a certain public objective could be carried out and then concluding the public objective is unviable.
It’s entirely possible to segue from prosecution of home on public land into intervention of drug use without going on a fishing expedition. This is a thought experiment, I’m not advocating for this. 1. Do not segue to intervention as a matter of course. The decision should be made based on the totality of the circumstances . i.e. does the suspect admit to living on public land as the result of drug use? Are they under the influence of drugs at the time of their detention? Are drugs or drug paraphernalia in their home? 2. Due process should be incorporated. An initial hearing with informal rules of evidence should be held to determine on the basis of clear and convincing evidence whether the violation of law results from inability to function due to drug use. (a) the state has the burden of proof. (b) the defendant can use any witness or documentary evidence. (c) an affirmative defense is afforded to the defendant whereby the defendant receives immunity to intervention if they can show any of the following (i) income sufficient to exclude them from public welfare, (ii) liquid assets sufficient to cover 6 months of living expenses. Cops cannot engage in asset forfeiture in the course of prosecuting the underlying crime.
dont let the libertarian perfect be the enemy of the good - or the lifesaving
Why are the streets of Nagoya, Japan, not filled utterly with tents and fentanyl addicts, despite their very, VERY harsh system of prohibition?
Oh that's easy. In Japan you have a much more homogeneous culture that values public order more than individual liberty. Is that what you want?
And in Europe, you have a place with a much larger social welfare state, that infantilizes the homeless as being wards of the state that need the caring guiding hand of the state to shepherd them into sobriety. It is the same mentality as the drug warrior mentality, just using carrots instead of sticks. Is that what you want?
Afaik, decriminalization has worked in Portugal. for 20+ years. With some recriminalization in 2008 because of some problems. Why hasn't it worked as well here? Why is the discussion now entirely Manichean? Well maybe because we don't even choose to benchmark ourselves against anything . We have no ability to learn.
did oregon go all-in on the housing first nonsense just like california?
Upzone to the moon!
This thesis that if everyone just had clean drugs, people who utilize drugs wouldn't have ODs is quite amusing. You see addicts chasing cheap drugs. There is still a black market for weed for fucks sake. People will chase the greatest high for the cheapest amount when they are addicts. We see this in Oregon as the introduction of zombie drugs and such proliferate. Rehab has not gone up despite the laws being tied to funding rehab over criminalization.
I'm fine with legalizing it, but it won't ever actually fix the problem. The problem will continue. Whether it is fully legalized or not, due to the behaviors of humans.
I prefer tying escalators to crimes when tested for drugs than any other measure to try to mitigate the negative effects, but nobody ever seems to push this solution.
You cannot really decriminalize both the drugs and the drug chasing behaviors and keep a functional society. Drugs +rehab + jail for theft/assault/tresspass can work because there are consequences once you become a problem for others. As it stands only upstanding citizens face consequences and that's a sure method to reduce their population.
I agree. Lessening pressure of crimes for the worst offenders over fake empathy is a large problem of the left. But they think buying votes with drugs helps their politics, despite rising crime rates and overdoses. So they move onto the next rationalization of why they weren't wrong, it is because even though laws don't criminalize a behavior, people can't get unfettered market to drugs. They ignore the behaviors will exist with or without the laws on the books. Again weed still has a black market. Drug addicts would do drugs with or without them being legalized. The legality isn't the issue.
But what it does do is encourage open use of drugs and violations of harm and crime on those not involved in their personal use. It increases the behaviors because it mixes the two groups in the open whereas prior the drug users remained home or in drug dens largely. So it exacerbates the negative interactions. We have seen this in every area that has legalized drugs.
I’m fine with legalizing it, but it won’t ever actually fix the problem.
This is correct for once. Legalizing drugs will not suddenly make everyone sober.
I have been saying this sort of thing for a while now. It is not enough to simply have greater liberty. To have a functional society, we must also have a culture that values altruism and a volunteering spirit.
So a proper libertarian response, IMO, is to not only push for drug legalization, but also to push for voluntary organizations to help with those suffering from drug addiction.
But that is not what people like Shellenberger want. From the video that Diane/Paul posted, what he seems to want is to use the valid non-drug laws that homeless addicts commonly break, like vandalism, as a pretext for a caring, nurturing state to provide the 'continuum of care' (his words) for the addict to go into rehab and to get sober. And to me that seems like a decidedly unlibertarian approach. I am uncomfortable with a nanny state government using laws as a pretext to pry into personal behavior like that.
I do think that addicts for the most part need help, but it should come from private organizations, not from a nanny state.
I am suppprtive of the right to use whatever drugs you want. That said, a person using drugs should still be expected to be responsible, respectful, and follow the law. Unfortunately it seems like legalizing drugs just gives the shitheads a longer leash to mess up other people's shit
"... that depends on whether the price of endless war exceeds or falls short of the price of permanent surrender."
No, Bret, it doesn't. Not only is Stephens very bad at logic, heavy on the confirmation bias and obviously a confirmed drug warrior, but he doesn't bother defining the different kinds of costs and how he wants to compare them. Drug overdose deaths, although sad, are not even remotely the same thing as murders of innocent bystanders in drug war gun battles. If he's trying to convince us that we should count up the murders and compare them to the OD deaths and use that to decide to maintain the murder rate in order to reduce the overdose death rate I think he would fall short in an opinion poll. Maybe he should stick to whatever he might be competent at - maybe dogcatching or something - and leave the epidemiology and public policy to someone who has a couple of Betz cells left to rub together.
he's taking a break from his day job, which is shilling for the MIC
is the problem decriminalization of drugs or letting people camp in the streets?
The problem is that the exercise of other people's liberty sometimes inconveniences Bret and that makes him sad.
As Shellenberger correctly notes, as a former Soros-harm-reduction Senior Fellow, he thought initially that in the harm reduction game, and along with drug decriminalization, that there would a kind of two way street between the users and the municipalities. Ie, outreach requires a good-faith both sides effort. He realized that there not only was no effort being made by the drug users and homeless, but the Soros-funded harm reduction industry actively eschewed it-- essentially overplaying their hand.
No, no one is going to arrest you if your walking down the street with two grams of Horse in your pocket, or... if you commit a robbery and you're found to have two grams of Horse in your pocket, that will not be an additional charge. But what happened is you weren't arrested for anything... under any circumstances whatsoever, because all concomitant behaviors... the robberies, the rapes, the property damage, the shitting in the street, the tent cities with hundreds of stolen bikes and other stolen property, the assaults, and the general mayhem were "offshoots" of drug addiction, so it was ALL off the table and just became a "do whatever you want, as long as you want, forever and ever, amen, fuck capitalism, we're making omelets here!"
The arrest ITSELF was seen as adding to the woes of the homeless street drug addict, and if we just left him alone then everything would turn itself around because all crime is the result of inequities in the capitalist system.
Decriminalize drugs
Criminalize poverty.
Government won’t legalize drugs until they can find a way to do so that also expands the bureaucracy. You’d think it’d be easy, with as much experience as they have. I suspect that part of the delay is police unions fearing the thought of losing Al that sweet, sweet civil asset forfeiture money.
Taxation.
Worked out great in California with weed shrike.
Don’t you know the road to prosperity and freedom is paved with higher taxes?
As a person who lives in Oregon some observations.
1) You can not ignore that drug deaths tripled during a very short period of time after the changes in law occurred ( far higher than the national norm).
2) By legalizing the use of drugs it encouraged the homeless vagrants of other states that continued to make personal use illegal to move to Oregon. I can attest to this in part because many if not most of the vehicles in the homeless encampments I passed regularly on the way to and from work were out of state plates.
3) Taking away consequences for bad behavior tends to incentivize bad behavior. When there is no threat of prison the vagrants have no incentive to accept the offers of rehab.
1) yes you can ignore it. Statistics are NEVER a problem, only how you interpret them and what you try to do in response. 2) the solution is legalize it everywhere. You'll still have a homeless problem but you won't have everyone else's homeless problem too. 3) prove it! Drug addicts couldn't care less whether you put them in prison or let them stay on the streets. The only incentive drug addicts respond to is making their drugs available. And insane people don't respond to any recognizable incentives. Wow! Wrong on all three counts!
If there had been no increase or if the increase had only matched that of the national average there wouldn't even be hardly a conversation. But instead we had an increase far exceeding the national average ( a tripling of the number of deaths). This requires a conversation on what needs to be done.
Legalizing might solve some issues but create others and I do not expect most states to legalize so we need to discuss what else needs to be done.
Human beings respond to both positive and negative reinforcement. Drug addicts being human beings will also. The question is do we have the political will and the resources to punish for drug use to have a sizable effect. Of course it might be better to punish the bad behavior that most drug addicts exhibit. Be severe in the punishments for theft, arson, public defecation and urination etcetera and make certain that while incarcerated at the very least stay clean.
We discussed it and decided that nothing needs to be done. Some human beings respond to some positive and some negative reinforcements. We also realized that the positive and the negative reinforcements your ilk touted were not having the desired effects. “We” do not have the political will or the resources to punish drug use sufficiently to have a sizeable effect because there are not enough resources in the universe to achieve your fantasy goals and there never will be. Even in prisons drugs continue to be smuggled in by corrupt jailers. So now you’re wrong on FOUR counts! Would you like to try for five?
So it seems like point number 2 casts a lot of doubt on any statistics, if the base population is changing composition....
The question of the article was did measure 110 have a negative effect on the state. One and two state that yes drug deaths did increase dramatically immediately upon the measure going into effect and part of the reason why. So it wasn't just the number of deaths but that the measure is a probable cause of a huge surge in the homeless population which is also a huge negative of the measure ( watch news reports of the damage being done by the vagrants in Portland for some of the other negative effects).
It's a huge leap from "Don't arrest people just for getting high" to "Let people get high in public."
But Portland lept it.
I would love for someone to analogize all this with alcohol prohibition. Imagine if the cultural movement away from alcohol prohibition had also been a movement away from property rights, cause that's what this looks like to me.
No one should drink to anyone who wants to do any amount of drinking anywhere should be allowed, even if the property owner(s) disagree.
It bears repeating, because a lot of people still don't get it: drugs are more dangerous BECAUSE they're illegal. Users who buy tainted product can't sue the manufacturers for redress. Many "overdoses" aren't from someone taking too much, they're from someone taking something they didn't know they were taking.
Something to keep in mind, decriminalization is not the same as legalization. Still not gonna be testing to see if you're accidentally killing yourself when you do your drug of choice this week.
Same as alcohol prohibition. You don't just end prohibition by saying "our local police officers won't arrest you for it." Imagine if every distiller had their own measuring devices and no industry standards, there would be even more alcohol deaths than there currently are.
There has to be a cultural reckoning where people realize that by immorally attempting to force others to live a good life, they are making the world worse, as most interventions of force tend to do.
There has to be a cultural reckoning where people realize that by immorally attempting to force others to live a good life, they are making the world worse, as most interventions of force tend to do.
Tell that to Diane's hero, Shellenberger.
Your assumption is drug users are rational. Even when given that strips for free drug users don’t use the test strip to test their drugs in the rush to get high. So no. It is an assertion you’ve made that has never been shown by any acts of the addicted.
Despite legalization in Portland, drug users have taken to using more dangerous drugs, asking for fentanyl, etc. It isnt them being tricked for the most part but then seeking out more dangerous drugs for a bigger high.
Yes we know, this is the right-wing rationalization for the drug war. Drugs make the drug users irrational and therefore they lose any claim to liberty and therefore the heavy hand of the state is justified in forcing them to do whatever the state wants in order to "help" them. It's just "reefer madness" all over again, and a thin veneer of a rationalization for their authoritarian bullshit.
Despite legalization in Portland
Drugs are not legal in Portland. Not even marijuana is TRULY legal anywhere, despite state laws to that effect. Jesse lies about the current state of drug laws and lumps in the worst of the drug addicts with all drug users everywhere. This is typical of his dishonesty. Jesse claims to be "fine" with legalizing drugs but then he turns around and flatly claims that the assertion that drug users are "rational" is false.
So I don't know what kind of game that Jesse is playing here but it is not an honest one that is for sure.
You assume that all drug users are completely without morals, reason or legitimate cause for their addiction to have come to flourishing.
As a former drug addict who is almost four years clean, I can tell you that there are many many people who fell into drug addiction due to the DEA prescribing guidelines change of 2016. Before then, I was on a legitimate pain management regimen for long term damage I did to my body as an athlete in youth. When the guidelines threw me off of pain management - COLD TURKEY- I ended up going to the streets!...it took me years to get myself to treatment. I see a large Part of the problem with what is happening in California and Oregon is that along with decriminalization- they stopped with treatment incentives....if they don't push treatment- how will anyone ever get round the bend?
I've now been clean from all illicit opioids/heroin since November of 2019- this is partly due to ongoing management with one-ingrediant Bupenorphine- it has controlled the pain and regulated my dependance. There are plenty of stories just like mine...but then, there are plenty more that don't have a happy ending...some people are just unsalvageable.
It also bears repeating that it is not and should not be government's job to keep drug addicts from overdosing and dying from drug abuse. It may be government's job to arrest and punish people who misbehave in public. If so, drug addiction should not be an excuse or a "mitigating factor" in the sentencing or punishment. It is a favorite tactic of drug warriors to move the goalposts every time we debunk one of their false assertions.
I live in Oregon. Legalization promised to treat addiction as a desease and to reduce violence. But it has increased violence. In fact, since legalization law enforcement has asked for more authority to do searches without a warrant and more deadly arms and equipment. Southern Oregon is definitely less safe. A more moral law and treatment for drug users is NOT ENOUGH when it leads to the externality of causing other citizens to be less safe. I am not a receptical into which the state can transfer dangers created by others. That's not libertarian.
I think that is the part of drug legalization that libertarians like to ignore. An actual libertarian is picturing someone taking safe enough dosages in the privacy of their own home and being a responsible adult otherwise. Instead, more crazy/lazy/asshole people become the primary users and become addicted. They then go out to harm others because they're high or steal to get more drugs. This libertine thinking is disastrous for society and incompatible with libertarianism in spite of some overlapping principles. Responsibility and freedom have to be paired. Advocating for freedoms without consequences is childish. Reason keeps ignoring and forgiving the negative externalities of people using freedoms they should have and then going on to harm others. There is no NAP consideration here, only the selfish idea that the writer can do whatever he wants and never face consequences
So, all of the drugs flooding our country, the creation of wealthy drug cartels, the violence of drug gangs, all of that because we didn't "enforce" hard enough for the last 50 years?
When the necessity of working to live is taken away, an opening to self-destructive behavior is created. Necessity is what made our ancestors what they were, hard-working and sober, because they had to work to eat. Now, we have human livestock who drug themselves to avoid the reality they live in. Freedom would solve the problems government largesse has created. Drug prohibition has done nothing but enrich criminals and transfer power to the government. It isn't freedom that's causing the drug problem, it's the lack of it.
I think you are mischaracterizing what "libertarians" believe. Although there are certainly drug addicts taking prescription opioids in the privacy of their own homes under the supervision of, and with prescriptions from, licensed physicians and otherwise leading productive and responsible lives, there are also hopelessly addicted people who are so impaired that they can't live anywhere else but on the streets creating a nuisance and hazard to other people. No reasonable libertarian would assume or try to claim that correcting one failed government overreach would solve all the problems caused by the widespread social problem that that intervention was supposed to address! Decriminalizing drugs does not mean that cities have to tolerate homeless encampments, defecating on public sidewalks or ignore crimes committed by drug addicts. One recent case involves the arrest of a drug addict convicted or with charges pending for eight non-drug related crimes - caught and released for a new crime. There may be problems with "three strikes and you're out" laws, but it doesn't mean government has to abandon enforcement of legitimate criminal law!
Holy shitsnacks, how'd I miss this? Eric Adams is officially ending New York City's Sanctuary City status... it's like the whole Soros Experiment is going full 90s Soviet Collapse before our very eyes!
Who knew that to defeat the Soros-style philosophical regime, you just had to let him have his way for about a decade, pile up a few tens of thousands of bodies, collapse a few economies, devastate some urban landscapes and THEN everyone would say, “Oh yeah, this Marxism thing we figured out didn’t work in the 90s… yeah, it still doesn’t work!”
Who knew it would all come crashing down after a little "stunt" by Ron DeSantis, who's literally worse than Trump.
There's only one way to deal with Soros. It ain't legal but who cares.
Both he and his little bastard son need to be removed from this country.
By whatever means necessary.
More oral sex you say?
Ctrl+f "democrat" = 0
Ctrl + f "republican" = 0
Gee, maybe it's possible to discuss an issue without throwing around tribal blame?
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Sullum lives in Dallas, Tx, so that forces me to temper my inside-the-beltway criticisms of him, but as someone who regularly travels to Oregon, I can tell you that Oregon writ-large is NOT having anywhere near the problems that Portlandia is. I do find it strange that an article about Oregon's (writ large) fentanyl crisis doesn't mention the titular leader of its largest city, let alone its city council-- that which suffers the most from this catastrophic experiment.
What I find strange is that you want to spend all your time talking about Soros and Portland, and not about the topic of drug legalization.
We must never discuss the people in charge of fixing the problem, just the problem itself. -Jeffy
Now one could argue these problems exist irrespective of which party is in charge. Heavy handed drug warrior policies do not stop illicit drug use or OD. However, the problems in Oregon are made worse by homelessness and criminality. Both of those things are made worse by Democrat policies.
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did oregon go all-in on the housing first nonsense just like california?
It would be best to just complete the legalization of all drugs in both California and Oregon. Currently, any drug laws on the books either are not enforced or are only enforced selectively.
Once legalization laws are passed, we should build a border wall blocking off both Oregon and California from the other states so their residents cannot infect the other parts of the country. People can check in, but they can never leave. After a few years we can go in, bulldoze all that remains, and allow a few brave souls to enter and begin to rebuild a civilized society.
We should probably do the same for Chicago, Seattle, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and D.C. (especially D.C.)
The liberals are responsible for the catastrophe in Portland. The liberals are responsible for the catastrophes in Seattle and in San Francisco. The liberals are responsible for the catastrophe in L.A. The same lot are responsible for the catastrophes in Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City, Washington, D.C. Detroit, Minneapolis and Milwaukee.
Wherever liberal progressives wandering low IQ minds take them, one catastrophe after another follows.
A drive through any of those cities will provide very clear example of liberal progressive policies.
In Oregon? Are they having these problems in places like Ontario or Pendelton?
Why not focus on the communities affected by this problem. Drug use is not a victimless crime . Users have to steal to finance their habits . Whole neighborhoods are destroyed. You’re mixing recreational drug use with addiction. Once you get to the point of being a burden to society you should forfeit your rights . Throw a net over them force them into rehab and if that fails segregate them from law abiding citizens if need be . My sympathy lies with the community not the addicts .
so you're good with pre-crime laws? You're doing drugs, and although you haven't hurt anyone else yet, we think you might so you're under arrest.
Punitive laws don't work, period. Jailing drug users and expecting them to detox, (cold turkey for you sadists) doesn't work to stop drug use. People use drugs to feel better. Those that have huge losses in life and no coping systems are far more apt to partake. Rehab is a years long program to recovery. You have to want it. Let the money for rehab come from the Opioid Settlement funds. Wait? Where has the money gone? I've read that several states have placed it into their General Fund. You think we'll ever know what happened to the money? I'd rather these thieves go to jail than drug users. Remember, addiction is not the drug's fault. Statistics show patients that are legally prescribed opioids after surgery have an addiction rate of less than 0.6% (CDC). Stick with the Oregon program. Give it time because The War on Drugs and all the years of punitive policies have been an abject failure.
However bad recreational drug use may be, criminalizing it has made it far worse. Little bags of whatever it might be, sold by criminals who PREFER to sell to underage children because they are too young to be an undercover officer.
Before the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, there were no multi-billion dollar drug cartels. Since that law was passed, there has not been a single year, under any administration, that did not see growth in the illegal drug trade. There has only been expansion in the varieties and strength of drugs. From marijuana, to cocaine, to crack, on and on, year after year until we, now, have fentanyl injected into that system. There has been no benefit to society nor has anyone been saved. Violent drug gangs roam the streets of cities, not fighting the police, but fighting each other over the incredible profits to be made. The laws are selectively enforced, but the prisons are overflowing.
Most of the bad things said about recreational drugs may be true,but the damage to the Bill of Rights, respect for the law and unnecessary deaths are far worse. Plus, we are drowning in drugs! All that comes from bans and prohibitions is the enrichment of criminals and corruption of our legal system. It was true of alcohol prohibition and it's equally true of drug prohibition.
We are all created equal and we are all endowed with unalienable rights or the Constitution is meaningless.
Oregon is seeing what happens when you stop treating a health problem with crime tools.
One problem with this approach is the health problems quickly become evident to the public. If only there were also a way to deal with those...
They are having oral sex in Oregon?? This is horrible!!!