The Real Worry Behind the Unhinged Freakout Over No Labels
No amount of third-party/RFK Jr. shaming can erase the fact that Joe Biden is a weak and unpopular incumbent.

On Monday, award-winning presidential historian turned social-media anti-fascism sentinel Michael Beschloss tweeted out that it's "entirely possible that a 2024 third-party candidate could, intentionally or not, tip this nation toward a fascist Presidential autocracy." To which the famed Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe added, "Third party candidates like [Robert F. Kennedy Jr.], Cornel West, possibly Joe Manchin, are the biggest threat to our survival as a free people who govern ourselves."
RFK Jr. is actually competing in the Democratic primary; Cornel West is seeking the nomination from one party that has virtually no ballot access and another (the Green Party) whose appearance on presidential ballots has tumbled from 45 in 2016 to 30 in 2020 to currently 15. Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.), meanwhile, told reporters Monday that any decision to mount a No Labels third-party presidential bid will be made "next year"; No Labels Co-Chair Joe Lieberman over the weekend said that "if the polling next year shows, after the two parties have chosen their nominees, that in fact we will help elect one or another candidate, we're not going to get involved."
And yet Democratic Party anxieties, however hyperbolic, are not groundless. President Joe Biden is as broadly unpopular at this point in his administration as his one-term predecessor. Concerns over Biden's age and mental fitness are not being mollified by the presence on the 2024 ticket of the historically unpopular Vice President Kamala Harris. Even after successfully putting the squeeze on all potential challengers except for two candidates from the comparative fringe, Biden is facing the most numerically significant internal challenge to an incumbent Democratic president since 1980.
All of this weakness has been made possible not through the electoral bids of Kennedy, West, Marianne Williamson, and potentially (though I'll take the under) Manchin next year, but rather through the persistently inconvenient fact that Democratic voters wish they had another choice besides ol' Joe.
"Depending on the poll," FiveThirtyEight noted earlier this month, "somewhere between one-third and half [of Democrats] have said they don't want him to run again—as have a clear majority of independents."
That bad math clears a path. But for what?
The third-party bogeyman haunting Tribe's dreams has mostly been a pussycat ever since Donald Trump shocked the world by winning the 2016 presidency, in an election featuring the highest combined non-Democratic/non-Republican vote (5.73 percent) in two decades. (While many Democrats remain convinced that the Green Party's Jill Stein and her 1.07 percent of the popular vote cost Hillary Clinton the election that year, many Democrats remain wrong.)
Faced post-2016 with intense negative polarization and the widespread fear that Trump is either an existential threat to democracy or the undeserving scapegoat of institutional elites, voter turnout boomed in the 2018 midterms, the 2020 presidential election, and the 2022 midterms, while shrinking the third-party electorate in the 2020 race by two-thirds. For as long as Trump has remained an active threat—and he's still polling nationally more than 30 percentage points ahead of his nearest GOP competitor—Trump-averse independent-leaners have mostly resisted the temptation to vote rogue.
What's more, the potential recipients of any protest vote are experiencing some wobbles of their own. The Libertarian Party (L.P.), the undisputed number-three political party in America for the past dozen years (including the 2022 midterms), has experienced a higher-than-usual amount of internal and legal conflict ever since the "takeover" of L.P. leadership by its Mises Caucus last year, though it remains to be seen whether the 1 percent or so of people who reliably vote Libertarian care or even know.
The L.P. certainly maintains its massive membership and ballot-access leads over the rapidly deteriorating number-four bloc, the Green Party. The Constitution Party has been in yearslong decline; Kanye West's Birthday Party doesn't seem built to last, and Andrew Yang's Forward Party is so far on the ballot only in Florida. The one grassroots grouping demonstrably on the grow—the socially conservative, fiscally liberal American Solidarity Party, which just nominated Peter Sonski for president—is not exactly generating panic attacks in Georgetown, and at any rate is more likely to attract voters who are sympathetic to Trumpism but find him a bit too crass.
No Labels is an odd duck in that it's a political party with no candidates, throwing money at ballot access in a half-dozen states without having any faces (or matching campaign finance disclosure requirements) to go along with it. The idea that a top-down grouping of mostly ex-politician moderate Republicans and centrist Democrats could amass a war chest but still hold off until Super Tuesday next March, then suddenly flip the switch on a meaningful yet designed-not-to-tip-the-election presidential bid, seems far-fetched.
Beyond the very expensive logistics and exhausting media contortions required, there is the not-insignificant problem that the centrist moneybags lane of presidential politics over the past half-decade is full of carcasses: Evan McMullin, Larry Hogan, John Kasich, Howard Schultz, Michael Bloomberg, Bill Weld, and American Renewal, for starters. The bipartisan middle of the road is an excellent place to get run over. Manchin is an expert at using political leverage; my guess is that he'll spend the next half-year negotiating terms for standing down.
Biden is weak, but so are the conditions for a third-party or independent presidential run, at least as long as Trump remains a main character in American politics. So what might flip the latter dynamic? I can think of three scenarios, though the third has many variations:
1) Joe Biden's fitness declines noticeably, yet the Democrats don't change their ticket. FiveThirtyEight's Geoffrey Skelley is right—Dems may wish the president wasn't running for reelection, but that doesn't mean they don't like him; Biden's intraparty approval has remained solidly between 80 percent and 87 percent this year, per Gallup.
But that support is just one serious fall away from eroding into a frantic search for a replacement. If the party were to treat any visible degradation the same way it treated Sen. John Fetterman's (D–Pa.) stroke—nothing to see here, all is well—then the same Trump-fueled electability panic that finally made Biden a viable presidential candidate in 2019 after four decades of trying may come back to bite him. And if they were to replace him with Kamala Harris, then Katie, bar the door.
The prospect of an enfeebled Biden is surely why California Gov. Gavin Newsom is loudly cracking his knuckles on the sidelines. But if the national party in that case sticks with Biden, or elevates Harris, then you could see a Manchin-led No Labels entering the fray post–Super Tuesday to the potential detriment of the Democrats. In that triple-if context, the Democrats' chief culprit would be staring at them in the mirror.
2) It's Biden vs. Trump vs. Justin Amash. I have no idea whether the former Libertarian congressman will seek his party's presidential nomination, nor what his odds would be to win it in a Mises Caucusified Libertarian Party. But I do know that Biden will be a creaky 81 years old on Election Day and Trump a sloppy 78, while Amash would be clocking in at a fit 44.
It's not just the age, it's the familiarity—there is nothing Americans have left to learn about the two major-party front-runners, save perhaps for what gets discovered in various trials and congressional investigations. Biden and Trump have both been underwater with political independents since almost immediately after their respective presidential inaugurations, with little hope of ever rebounding. Amash is an impressive and energetic thinker and speaker, particularly in front of skeptical crowds, and he's fluent in Millennial. The contrast would be startling.
Assuming for the moment that the Biden vs. Trump headline race is still plausibly close, that rules out a No Labels run (if you take Lieberman at his word), so then the question becomes: How does the presence of Amash on 40-plus ballots and maybe Cornel West on 20 affect the race?
West, even with his heightened celebrity compared to 2020 Green candidate Howie Hawkins, would be leaning into the strong headwinds of the post-Stein backlash among Democrats, while appearing on fewer ballots. Amash, however, could eat significantly into the portion of the youth electorate not already cemented into the Democratic coalition.
We know that 2016 exit polls showed that 55 percent of Gary Johnson voters, when asked what they would have done had the Libertarian not been on the ballot, said they would have stayed at home, while 25 percent said they would have voted for Hillary Clinton, 15 percent for Trump. We also have excellent reason to suspect that the people who voted third-party in 2016 but major-party in 2020 voted overwhelmingly, perhaps election-tippingly, for Biden. Finally, we can presume that Trump's blizzard of legal troubles will not cause him to increase in attractiveness among Republicans, and Amash spent more than a decade in public office as an elected Republican (one who was critical of Trump's behavior on legal grounds).
So, your guess is as good as mine.
3) Trump is not the Republican nominee. Behind this door #3 there are so many sub-scenarios and potential dramatics that just listing them all would take another thousand words. But the two biggest new realities this development would introduce would be that the anti-Trump panic binding the Democratic-voting coalition would relax, and most of all that a large rump of Republican voters would be actively pissed off at their own party.
Which bloc do you think is larger: Nose-holding former Democratic voters willing in a Trumpless universe to take a flyer on a Green/Libertarian/No Labels candidate, or disaffected Trumpies who can't forgive Ron DeSantis or whoever, and now seek a protest vote?
Here is where the war gaming gets weird. If there is no right-populist on the ballot, then the L.P. may be sorely tempted to run one. And RFK Jr., after having tasted some polling success and attracted an ideologically diverse flock of admirers, may start shopping around for potential ballot access. Beschloss and co. may be worried that a third-party RFK Jr. run would tip America toward autocratic fascism, but it's not hard to imagine such a scenario attracting Trump voters and helping deliver reelection to an ancient Biden.
The vast majority of Americans will have more than two names on their presidential ballot, as has reliably been the case for most of my lifetime. If major parties and their enthusiasts in the press and academia want to dissuade voters from supporting minor candidates, then they should consider taking heed of their nominees' massive unfavorability ratings, rather than accusing free individuals exercising their franchise of ushering in American fascism.
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Has the Dogcatcher Party nominated Tribe yet?
On Monday, award-winning presidential historian turned social-media anti-fascism sentinel Michael Beschloss tweeted out that it's "entirely possible that a 2024 third-party candidate could, intentionally or not, tip this nation toward a fascist Presidential autocracy."
Beschloss is a dumbass. We're already there with Joe Biden and the Deep State (OK, so that sounds like a terrible band name).
Brandon and the Deep State Rollers.
Now that's a bad band name.
However, an allegorical song about a guy named "Mr. Decided" who rules out potential 3rd party normalcy in favor of decay, leftism, and social perversion sounds *exactly* like a Rammstein song.
To marxists since the end of World War II, anything that doesn't allow their ideology to flourish is fascist.
Trump actually DOES have a lot of similarity to Mussolini and to Juan Peron. Not so much to Franco or Laval. Trump isn't religious and he doesn't hate Jews.
Got any examples?
Trying to control what private businesses do is one. Protectionist trade policies is another. Buying off the upper classes with government largesse is another. For Mussolini you can add racist immigration policies, and his stated desire (achieved by Mussolini) to have total control over every aspect of the government regardless of what the law says, including making every government employee an at will employee and being able to jail or even execute people without due process.
So no then.
Exactly. And Trump is just like Hitler because they both have dicks. The evidence is staggering.
Control of private businesses? Trump deregulates, Biden re-regulates.
Buying off the upper classes? Biden sends $250 Billion to the Silicon Valley as the payoff for supporting him in 2020. Trump’s tax cuts benefited the lowest economic rung as real wages rose for the first time in decades. Biden’s policies put the poor “back in their place” – falling farther behind as inflation robs them.
Racist immigration policies? Biden lets in everyone, except white people. Trump fails to block Muslim immigration.
Tariffs? Trump puts them on, Biden keeps them.
Biden says “Jump”, the DoJ asks “How high?”
Trump says “Jump”, the whole Deep State says “Fuck You!”.
Charlie, you’ve got the right idea, but it applies more to Biden than Trump. Biden is a much bigger fascist threat because the bureaucracies are aligned with him.
Mussolini also had multiple mistresses, and co opted the Catholic Church even though he hated it and disobeyed all its teachings. Mussolini had his Blackshirts; Trump had his Very Fine People at Charlottesville and the 9/11 mob.
Have you 50 centers gotten a cost of living increase to match inflation?
How much has the cost of living in mom's basement gone up?
Cheetos and Mt Dew are up 30%
So you seem to ignore the power of the deep state. They own all of the media and thereby control and social engineer the entire US population, if not the world, into a the religion of a one global world government or as George Soros likes to call Open World which is anything but open. This was the goal of the soviets, not the Russian people, who ran the comintern (Communist International). Soros has more power than the US president. He can overthrow governments at will and start a war any time he chooses. He is one man who is far more dangerous than any dictator ever hoped to be. Mussolini and Trump are chump change compared to the evil machinations and misery that is heaped by Soros, simply because he wants things his way. But then the dismal puppet Biden can hit the nuclear trigger by mistake, thinking he's turning on a TV set. FREE JULIAN ASSANGE!
Thanks for making it so easy to know who to place on Mute.
Ah, yes, the "very fine people" hoax.
The disingenuousness of the Media was a major reason I voted for President Trump's re-election.
And it's funny that all the people who are afraid of Trump getting into office again and establishing a dictatorship are also the same ones conveniently ignoring the government censorship and the current Pretendant's speech to rally against "enemies of America" (which are oh-so-conveniently mostly people who just disagree with Democrats) where the only thing missing from the speech was a little black mustache under the Pretendant's nose.
But, yeah, go ahead and pretend that the only person who's a threat to the Republic is President Trump, and not Communist Democrats!
The way he folds his arms and nods during his speeches is very Mussolini-esque.
Trump is at least as religious as Hitler was, and has even more televangelists eagerly baptising him in slobber. Mussolini speeches are free to see at gutenberg.org--they say nothing but are mercifully short. However, the Duce's handwriting is kinda like The Don's.
The original "Antifa" was founded in the 1930's by the German Communist Party to fight everything that wasn't Stalinist Communism, including the folks who just wanted a normal democracy.
The official name of the Berlin Wall as given by the East Germans (A.K.A.: "The Bad Guys") was "Die Antifaschistische Schutzwand", or, "The Antifascist Protection Rampart".
Toward a fascist Presidential autocracy? Uhm, maybe someone should inform Mr.
BeschlossBitchass we're already there.Dipshit.
"Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission."
President Joe Biden will invoke the Defense Production Act in order to produce solar panels, forcing private companies to comply with leftist demands to transition the United States away from oil and gas.
"President Biden today issued presidential determinations providing the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) with the authority to utilize the Defense Production Act (DPA) to accelerate domestic production of five key energy technologies: (1) solar; (2) transformers and electric grid components; (3) heat pumps; (4) insulation; and (5) electrolyzers, fuel cells, and platinum group metals," the Department of Energy released in a statement Monday.
President Biden on Wednesday invoked the Defense Production Act to address the infant formula shortage in the United States.
The White House announced in a fact sheet that Biden would use the Cold War-era law to require suppliers to “direct needed resources to infant formula manufacturers before any other customer who may have ordered that good.”
“Directing firms to prioritize and allocate the production of key infant formula inputs will help increase production and speed up in supply chains,” the fact sheet said.
Biden first used the DPA last year to boost production of pandemic-related supplies. So far in the past year, the president has invoked the act for the production of electric vehicle battery materials and to address a shortage of baby formula.
Observe that hand-wringing Trumpanzees never mention that Texas is now a warren for the commercial hunting of fertilized women. This is thanks to the Christian nationalsocialists G Waffen and The Don named to the Suprema Corte. Nor do they mention the Grabber of Pussy platform planks urging a return to shoot-first prohibitionism to increase the number of dead hippies, latinos and blacks the way Comstockery again violating the individual rights of pregnant women increases childbed deaths.
Is this gibberish intended as a refutation, or yet another non sequitur wrapped up in more of your irrational mental diarrhea?
I wonder just how crazy people like that have to be to believe they are convincing anyone of anything.
Websters defines fascism as: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Antifa is literally a self-proclaimed anti-fascist group.
The Biden administration's Department of Justice recently said they were considering action against states with anti-mask-mandate regulations, because they violated people's civil rights. The federal government is serious in thinking that regulations against laws and regulations that force people to wear masks violates the people's individual civil rights.
Congress is looking to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which would "would restore key parts of the Voting Rights Act" because "in 2013, the Supreme Court gutted a key provision of the Voting Rights Act...[and earlier this year]...the Supreme Court severely weakened another provision of the law."
Congress had previously passed the original Voting Rights Act some 56 years ago, but recently the Supreme Court has struck down parts of that law as being unconstitutional.
Those are the parts that Congress wants to "restore"...the unconstitutional parts. That SCOTUS has struck down. Because they are unconstitutional. But Congress wants to restore them.
P.S. Antifa really needs to look up "brownshirts" and "blackshirts" then look in the mirror.
In L.A. County recently, a large number of people were peacefully protesting the government’s arbitrary commands that people get vaccinated and wear masks and other orders supposedly to stem the advance of COVID, largely on the grounds that the governments orders violated their individual rights. The “Choose Freedom March” organized to protest the “medical tyranny” of mandatory vaccinations and vaccine passports (your papers please!).
Antifa activists attacked the protesters–the counter-protest called itself “No Safe Space for Fascists”
Fascism is fanatically Christian socialism. Websters lacks the courage to truthfully define the word. Hitler speeches drip references to the "Scriptures" and Providence the way Billy Graham sermons did. Franco was el Caudillo de Dios on posters and coins. Young Mussolini claimed atheism as a shock-seeking adolescent, yet made Vatican City an empire and enforced Christian national socialist demands for laws against Jews. The speeches and papers of their era reveal what new fascists seek to obfuscate.
I highly doubt any of them were particularly religious, they simply spoke the language of the people they needed to hand them power. The religious trappings were just those of populists appealing to a religious population.
Today we have a much more polarized population, with populists on both sides appealing to their respective half of the people. One group based on religion, the other based on class. When finally realize none of them actually mean whay they say it's just same shit different mouths.
Hitler speeches dripped all things Christian (altruism and Jew-baiting) and the 97% Cath/Prot population loved it when Big Pharma donors saw Narcotic Limitation in 1931 as the planned economy they feared. (https://bit.ly/3izsEKj)
California Fast Food Wages Would Be Set by Government Under Bill Passed by State Legislature - WSJ
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In 1929, Italy was hit hard by the Great Depression. The Italian economy, having just emerged from a period of monetary stabilization, was not ready for this shock and prices fell and production slowed. Unemployment rose from 300,787 in 1929 to 1,018,953 in 1933.[75] Trying to handle the crisis, the Fascist government nationalized the holdings of large banks which had accrued significant industrial securities.[76] The government also issued new securities to provide a source of credit for the banks and began enlisting the help of various cartels (consorzi) that had been created by Italian business leaders since 1922. The government offered recognition and support to these organizations in exchange for promises that they would manipulate prices in accordance with government priorities.[77]
A number of mixed entities were formed, called instituti or enti nazionali, whose purpose it was to bring together representatives of the government and of the major businesses. These representatives discussed economic policy and manipulated prices and wages so as to satisfy both the wishes of the government and the wishes of business. The government considered this arrangement to be a success and Italian Fascists soon began to pride themselves on this outcome, saying they had survived the Great Depression without infringing on private property. In 1934, the Fascist Minister of Agriculture said: "While nearly everywhere else private property was bearing the major burdens and suffering from the hardest blows of the depression, in Italy, thanks to the actions of this Fascist government, private property not only has been saved, but has also been strengthened".[78]
This economic model based on a partnership between government and business was soon extended to the political sphere in what came to be known as corporatism.[dubious – discuss] From 1934 onwards, believing that Italy could have avoided the Great Depression if it had not been linked to international markets, Mussolini insisted that autarky should be one of the primary goals of his government's economic policy. To this end, the Fascists began to impose significant tariffs and other trade barriers.[79] In 1934, Mussolini boasted that three-quarters of Italian businesses "is in the hands of the state".[80][81]
Various banking and industrial companies were financially supported by the state. One of Mussolini's first acts was indeed to fund the metallurgical trust Ansaldo to the height of 400 million Liras. Following the deflation crisis which started in 1926, banks such as the Banco di Roma, the Banco di Napoli or the Banco di Sicilia were also assisted by the state.[82] In 1933, Mussolini created the Istituto per la Ricostruzione Industriale (IRI) with the special aim of rescuing floundering companies. By 1939, the IRI controlled 20% of the Italian industry through government-linked companies (GLCs), including 75% of pig iron production and 90% of the shipbuilding industry.[83]
Mussolini also adopted a Keynesian policy of government spending on public works to stimulate the economy. Between 1929 and 1934, public works spending tripled to overtake defense spending as the largest item of government expenditure.[84] At this time, Mussolini said about Keynes that "despite the latter's prominent position as a Liberal", his work may be considered a "useful introduction to fascist economics".[85] Italian Fascists also expressed great interest in the works of neoclassical economist Vilfredo Pareto.[86] Pareto had argued that democracy was an illusion and that a ruling class always emerged and enriched itself. For him, the key question was how actively the rulers ruled and for this reason he called for a drastic reduction of the state and welcomed Mussolini's rule as a transition to this minimal state so as to liberate the "pure" economic forces.[87] Fascist intellectuals were determined to foster economic development in order for the economy to "attain its productive maximum". They believed that their historic responsibility was to "develop to its ultimate conclusion the creative elements that remain alive in capitalism".[88]
Italian Fascists and their precursors had always been focused on the need to bring about a more productive society through the economic collaboration of the classes, opposing class struggle.[89] They believed in the critical importance of economic productivity as a revolutionary force and they were "productivists, rather than distributionists".[90] Nevertheless, the Fascist government also made efforts to appear concerned with the real interests of its subjects in order to create a "consensual, charismatic regime" and to render the masses of the peninsula governable.[91] Fascist ideologues argued that the discontent of the lower classes represented a potential threat to the "well-being, the internal security, the power and the existence of the state" and therefore measures had to be taken to alleviate this discontent.[92] They also argued that a "minimal concern for the well-being of the labor force" served the national interest, by improving productive potential.[92] For these reasons, the government pursued a complex social welfare and assistance program, which "compared favorably with the more advanced European nations" despite the lower level of industrial development on the Italian peninsula.[93]
In 1935, following the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, the League of Nations imposed trade sanctions on Italy. This forced Italy to achieve autarky immediately and strengthened Mussolini's belief that economic self-sufficiency was vital to national security. The sanctions did not have their intended effects because the Italian government had already begun restricting trade and preparing for autarky. In particular, Italy imposed a severe ban on most imports and the government sought to persuade consumers to buy Italian-made products. For instance, it launched the slogan Preferite il Prodotto Italiano ("Buy Italian produce").[94] In May 1935, the government compelled individuals and businesses to turn over all foreign issued securities to the Bank of Italy (Banca d'Italia). On 15 July 1936, the economic sanctions on Italy were lifted, but the Fascists continued to insist on economic isolation.
Throughout the 1930s, the Italian economy maintained the corporatist model that had been established during the Great Depression. At the same time, Mussolini had also growing ambitions of extending Italy's foreign influence through both diplomacy and military intervention. After the invasion of Ethiopia, Italy began supplying both troops and equipment to the Spanish nationalists under General Francisco Franco, who were fighting in the Spanish Civil War against a leftist government. These foreign interventions required increased military spending and the Italian economy became increasingly subordinated to the needs of its armed forces. By 1939, Italy had the highest percentage of state-owned enterprises after the Soviet Union.[95]
Finally, Italy's involvement in World War II as a member of the Axis powers required the establishment of a war economy. This put severe strain on the corporatist model since the war quickly started going badly for Italy and it became difficult for the government to persuade business leaders to finance what they saw as a military disaster. The Allied invasion of Italy in 1943 caused the Italian political structure and the economy to rapidly collapse. On the other hand, the Allies and the Germans took over the administration of the areas of Italy under their control. By the end of the war, the Italian economy had been all but destroyed—per capita income in 1944 was at its lowest point since the beginning of the 20th century.[
During and after the Spanish Civil War, Franco and the Falange created a corporative system based on the Italian model. An economic system was implemented according to the wishes of the corporations, which also set prices and wages. Combined with autarky and in the absence of Marshall Plan aid after World War II, Spain's post-war economic growth stagnated. The Spanish corporative system was less successful than the Italian experience. At one point, the Spanish farmers' corporation created a massive bread shortage by setting the price too low. As a result, bread production was abandoned in favour of other, more profitable goods. Although the aim of this policy was to make bread accessible to the poorest among the population, the opposite occurred and a black market emerged.
As in Italy, wages were set by the state in negotiations between officially recognized workers' syndicates and employers' organizations, with the state as mediator. During the Second Spanish Republic, workers' groups had aligned with the anarchists, communists or other Republican forces. However, Franco's regime tended to favour the interests of large capitalist businesses despite its proclaimed syndicalist rhetoric. In response, workers (often anarchists) created illegal syndicates and organized strikes, which usually were repressed brutally by Franco's police state.
The Milan train station is absolutely amazing. And they still run on time. Italy did pend on its infrastructure in the 1930's.
Every fascist government is a christian socialist police state promising to beat up on godless commies. The only difference fromthe other looters is they claim to love the Baby Jesus and promise to force everyone to lick Its sandals.
Yes, we get it, Hank--you don't like Christians. Jesus Christ himself ran off with your agency and left you a victim. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Cue the whiners whining in whiny voices about how Matt wanted this because he voted for Biden in three.. two... one...
Care to retract, Sarc?
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Who do you plan to vote for this year? Jo Jorgensen. If it was going to be close in my state, I might have considered holding my nose and voting for the person most likely to supplant the eminently fireable incumbent. But New York has chosen the Democrat by at least 16 percentage points in every presidential election since the end of the Cold War, so I prefer to add votes to the party that aligns much more with my values.
If you could change any vote you cast in the past, what would it be? In 1988, my first election, I lived in the swing state of…California? (That's how old I am.) I did not remotely like or even take seriously Michael Dukakis, but I had whipped myself up in a collegiate fever to believe that George H.W. Bush was the real CIA-fabricated Dark Lord and must be stopped at all costs. Silly in retrospect. I vowed then to never vote for candidates I actively dislike, a commitment I've mostly kept to since.
HAHAHAHA
As with all things, sarc is too dumb to even bother.
He might as well be an "all righties r bad" bot.
What are you talking about? Everyone knows that everyone at Reason is a leftist who voted for Biden, despite what anyone at Reason actually says. Get with the narrative. It's embarrassing.
Your mistakes aren't embarrassing to us, just predictable and funny. They aren't embarrassing to you, but they should be, but if they were, you wouldn't keep making them.
According to the wisdom in these here comments, anyone who said mean things about Trump voted for Biden. You should know this. Jeez.
Mike the Sea Lion has a friend named sarc that will now share with us how to strawman.
There is a reason we call him strawcasmic.
Seems like you didn't read what I wrote, or maybe you were just responding to the voices in that 40.
Your mistakes aren’t embarrassing to us, just predictable and funny. They aren’t embarrassing to you, but they should be, but if they were, you wouldn’t keep making them.
You’re done pussy. Take a hike.
You're the only person pushing any sort of narrative or claiming there is one. Put the 40 down, walk away from the computer, and get some fresh air.
Isn't Matt the one who thought the plural of Attorney-General sounded unlikely?
These guys are infringing on the Washington Post’s “Existential Threat of the Day.” franchise.
So old Joe just gave his Bidenomics pitch at Aker Shipbuilding in Philly, about a mile from where I work.
He spoke vociferously in support of the Jones Act.
I'd like to point out that Aker is foreign owned, and he chose that location over a bunch of US-owned companies in the area (Urban Outfitters HQ is there), and a military installation. I didn't see a single uniform in the audience.
Beats Four Seasons Landscaping!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
A local guy!
So why so much talk about a "party" with no candidates and no platform, that says they may not even really run?
How can anyone say they will vote for this fantasy when they cannot know what it is, or may become, or if it will even exist at all?
(and, just for the record, there is no such thing as a moderate democrat. Read the damn platform)
a “party” with no candidates and no platform
Leave the White House unoccupied for 4 years? They've got my vote!
Or 40 years? That long in the political "desert" might the complexion of would-be presidents.
That's what we have now.
How do you like it?
I used to like that idea. Now I'm not so sure.
Just relocate all democrats and RINOs to locations underground. Like landfills. Then cover the landfills and pace over them.
The end.
When you write pace, do mean with a steamroller or a compactor?
I'm thinking of another 4 letter word that starts with p.
Does the platform say "no moderates allowed"? Why couldn't there be moderate Democrats who disagree with the platform?
Because ultimately they all do exactly as told so any "disagreement" is functionally theatrics.
When the bluedog democrats got strong-armed into voting for Obamacare, the dissension essentially disappeared.
"Third party candidates like [Robert F. Kennedy Jr.], Cornel West, possibly Joe Manchin, are the biggest threat to our survival as a free people who govern ourselves."
So, to clarify, people nominating a candidate other than ones curated by the two establishment parties is a threat to "self-governance."
To be more accurate, any candidate other than the one nominated by the DNC establishment is considered an existential threat to "our Democracy" to these twats.
Shyeah, the fact that that collection of words and syllables came out of Tribe's mouth, unironically tells you all you need to know about Tribe.
Do you think the egg-head "famed Harvard law professor" even sees the enormous contradiction in his very own words?
Zero percent chance.
These people acted the same way when Ross Perot was a serious threat to win the Presidency.
Someone needs to do a reboot of Stephen King's "The Dead Zone" where Johnny shakes populist outsider Greg Stillson's hand, but instead of nuclear holocaust, it shows the nation falling under the authority of some globalist cabal because Stillson wouldn't go along with an international scheme that violated American constitutional rights, and they worked behind the scenes to remove him and put a stumbling, barely coherent zombie in his place. So Johnny ends up traveling to these different countries to assassinate the ringleaders instead, before coming home to Unabomber the news media and Chamber of Commerce offices.
That sounds like some kind of dream world.
At least Ross Perot has a freaking plan. He rolled it out on whiteboard pretty much every speech. Yeah, I'm that old...
The Looter Kleptocracy also attacked him and his family with calumny, fraud, deception and character-assassination. (http://bit.ly/3R67hh6)
And we have to protect democracy by doing everything possible to take down the most popular candidate running for president.
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1682111761456005120?t=iCywEDer1cxPAeF0M7LyDg&s=19
This calls for an immediate arrest of Trump
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Of course, due to this:
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1682098595020050432
Burisma's CEO said, "It cost 5 (million) to pay one Biden, and 5 (million) to another Biden," to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma.
"Hunter will take care of those issues through his dad."
Although Hunter "was stupid, and his dog was smarter.
Nope. It’s just all about Hunter’s dick pics.
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Tribe reminds me of that Doctor in "View to a Kill" and his relationship with the Chrisopher Walken character. Tribe's relation ship with Obama mirrors that. Tribe would probably take a machine gun to anyone who insults the O-man in his presence.
Yes, where "self" is defined in Websters as "The Looter Kleptocracy."
"'So, to clarify, people nominating a candidate other than ones curated by the two establishment parties is a threat to “self-governance.”'
I think the fear is that anything that "upsets the apple cart" will lead to something disastrous. Frankly, I have no problem with occasional apple-cart-upsetting, especially considering where the current apple carts appear to be heading.
Apple handbasket.
No amount of third-party/RFK Jr. shaming can erase the fact that Joe Biden is a weak and unpopular incumbent.
Um, despite his 80 Trillion votes he got in 2020, he was a weak and unpopular candidate then.
Yup. He won because he was running against Donald Trump.
Just like Donald Trump won because he was running against Hillary Clinton.
Are you sure of that, especially in light of possible election interference by the DOJ, FBI, and the last-minute changes in election rules by far too many officials in 2020?
He’s sure this is what his Marxist masters have commended him to say.
"Are you sure of that, especially in light of ..."
Yes. Very sure. And everyone who accepts concrete facts over wishful thinking agrees.
Man the left loves the true believer useful idiot.
The argument that the election was stolen has lost every single time it has come into contact with facts and evidentiary standards. At this point no one, short of the most zealous Trump-supporting paleocons, believes the election was stolen.
So the "left" that you claim are "useful idiots" comprises the far left, center-left, center, and center-right. No one with the slightest slice of honesty believes there was widespread fraud in 2020.
When your team loses every game in the season, you need to admit that they are losers. You can only claim the refs stole the game so many times, especially when the replay always shows that the refs were right, before people just roll their eyes or give you pitying looks.
"No one with the slightest slice of honesty believes there was widespread fraud in 2020."
You seem to mistake complacency for belief. Just because the public at large is complacent with corruption, doesn't mean they believe it isn't corrupt. Lots of honest people know that their vote was canceled out by illegally counted if not illegally cast votes as they could watch it happen in 2020. They are just complacent with the two party status quo, as a modern standard of living is a super effective bribe.
"Your rulers are going to be obviously corrupt, but you can have more material wealth than any historical king, so just ignore it."
"Lots of honest people know that their vote was canceled out by illegally counted if not illegally cast votes as they could watch it happen in 2020"
Really? How, exactly, do they know that? They may *believe* it, but there is zero objective evidence to support that belief.
Unless you have some secret repository of facts that haven't been seen before?
There is cheating in every election. It stands to reason that ease of cheating increased dramatically with almost universal mail in balloting. One party is committed to blocking any attempts at election security. It stands to reason they do so at least partly because they are better organized at cheating. My brother, a registered Democrat, received 2 ballots. One had his middle name, the other didn't. Any investigative effort after the fact is limited to determining how many fraudulent ballots there were, not for whom. Was there enough cheating to affect the outcome of the presidential election? We will never know. If there was, there is one person to blame. At the time of the election, who was head of the executive branch? (the branch of government tasked with law enforcement) Donald J. Trump. If he could not appoint people dedicated to pursuing honest elections and lost by cheating, he deserved it.
Both morons running from the major parties like to point out they got more votes than anyone in their position before. That's also directly attributable to universal mail in balloting. The elimination of the annoyance of waiting in line eliminated a major barrier to voting.
Both looters lost because they were bucking what was left of the 1972 Libertarian Platform. Voters chose freedom, WCTU Shrillary lost the resulting crapshoot and the dems are now into Repeal just like in 1932 after the 1931 Liberal Party drew up a repeal prohibition platform. Wallace got sth like 2 dozen electoral votes, so the GOP immediately adopted Ku-Klux racial colllectivism and the Solid South again bullies and enslaves women--of both colors. Spoiler votes leverage Kleptocracy priorities.
Yes more votes than any candidate in history and continuing to roll the Republicans in Washington getting more accomplished in his first two years than any President since Reagan. Not to mention facilitating Ukraine to fight Putin to at worst a draw. Unpopular and weak.
Of course most of the Trump Cult is pro Putin.
You're a retard.
^ This
Don't do drugs kids.
Putin, who had Trump so completely under his thumb that... he waited until he was out of office before attacking Ukraine.
Brilliant work, son.
He was just Biden his time.
Are you Brandon him a 3D chess grandmaster?
Well, when you lie and fix the system, it's easy to get your candidate into office. Dummy.
How can you say it easy when you have geniuses like Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, and the Pillow Guy watching your every move?
famed Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe added, "Third party candidates..,are the biggest threat to our survival as a free people who govern ourselves."
That is one of the most un-selfaware comments I have ever read. The last thing Tribe wants is “a free people”. The left shit its pants in 1980 when Kennedy’s Uncle Teddy had the nerve to challenge Jimmy “I’ll whip his ass” Carter, this is just history repeating itself as farce.
Tribe’s definition of ideal governance is a nomenklatura. He crawled so far up his own ass he won’t be noticed at his next colonoscopy.
More like Laurence Tribalist, amirite?
Well done, sir!
If there is no right-populist on the ballot, then the L.P. may be sorely tempted to run one.
At which point Tucker Carlson would be jumping up and down, shouting: "Me! Me! Over here!"
Right, Dee. The most votes the LP ever got was in 2016 when Gary Johnson ran against Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. He got them as he was viewed as a better alternative to some (including me) than either Clinton or Trump. Johnson won a grand total of 4,489,341 votes, good enough for 3.28% of the total and zero electoral college votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
I just don’t see that happening this time.
I don't see it happening either. By itself Trump vs Biden could push a lot of voters to the LP the same way Trump vs Clinton did, but in the context of the last 2 elections I think a lot of D-leaning libertarians are convinced Johnson swung the election to Trump, and R-leaning libertarians are convinced Jorgensen swung the election to Biden. Neither will be inclined to "waste" their vote this time.
Yeah, everyone knows that the only way to waste your vote is to *not* vote two party, as history shows that the two party system is aligned with human values. You wouldn't want to vote against humanity would you? You wouldn't want foreign interventionism to end, let alone see an end to the wars on poverty, terror, and now germs and the climate after all. Now go vote two party so your vote isn't wasted lol.
Cite?
And the Mises AfD Caucus pins a medal on his clip-on and says "you're our boy." Maybe the girl-bullying Mises gang Anschlussed the LP so they could split the christianofascist vote and defeat God's Own Prohibitionists the way Teedy Rosenfeld did when he ran as a Progressive against buddy pal Taft. What other use is there for a smaller, harder, angrier Republican band of lewsers?
>>persistently inconvenient fact that Democratic voters wish they had another choice besides ol' Joe.
cheaters never prosper.
If the Republicans have seriously started to work on the ballot harvesting (as they have claimed they are doing) apparatus and logistics, and if the current trend in Asian and Hispanic voting continues, it is quite possible that these elections will not go the way the pundits believe they will. If that occurs, I fully suspect that the Democrats will condemn ballot harvesting and early voting, and label it fraud. Eventually, this could even turn California back to a swing state, which would really piss off the Democrats. Possibly even Washington, New Mexico and Colorado as well, considering their Hispanic and Asian (in Washington) populations (a lot of the Asians in Washington are business owners in King County who are seeing the damage done by progressive policies).
It may not be enough to win King County, but even a dent in King County, considering the rest of the state, could be enough to change the calculus in that state.
That would be nice. I’m so sick of garbage like Jay Inslee. And now that has been, Lisa Brown, is running for mayor of the City of Spokane. It’s a five way race, and she has might actually win. This is the same bitch who ran against Cath McMorris Rodgers in 2018 and has pretty much been in Washington State politics as a far left kook for 30 years. She even taught Soviet economic theory in Nicaragua back in the 80’s.
Marxist trash like her shouldn’t have a constituency.
I doubt she can win in Spocompton. It remains a working class city, with a fairly large retiree population from rural Eastern Washington and North Idaho, plus a decent military community (Fairchild, plus a several large Reserve units, I used to drill with one of them, the 396th CSH).
I should look into how ballot harvesting works, living in New Mexico as I do.
Or here's a thought: maybe the American voter should - I don't know - stop buying into the DNC and RNC control of power elite political processes and actually start thinking for themselves, taking responsibility for their own choices and select articulate, thoughtful, substantial candidates.
DNC controls nothing.
If someone gets Amash on the ticket, they've got my vote. Otherwise, I'll continue to pull for DeSantis. I.E. Trump without the chaos and attention whoring. I understand you need a Texas sized ego to run for president, but I'm kind of surprised Trump's ego fits in the entire galaxy.
I can't tell of the amash comment is sarcasm or not. Do we have that many post offices that still need naming?
They're not worried about the threat of a future fascist presidential autocracy. They're worried about a threat to the current fascist presidential autocracy.
Exactly
Amash doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell... oops... the Mises-led LP... of getting the LP nomination. They're bound and determined to run some wackjob so nutty they'll make Spike Cohen look electable.
In keeping with longstanding LP tradition. Sigh.
The LP has had decent candidates, such as Ed Clark and Harry Browne. I'm not a fan of the "nominate a former Republican officeholder" line of thinking, because we saw how long those newly-minted Libertarians stayed Libertarian. I think William Weld set the land speed record of bailing on the LP (about three weeks after the election?).
go ahead, throw your vote away
Considering I live in a solidly red state, why not? My voter doesn’t matter.
Ackshully, your vote packs 25x the law-changing clout if you cast it for an originalist libertarian. Ask yourself how the 16th and 18th Amendments got there by parties averaging 2% of the vote and electing nobody.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an originalist libertarian on my ballot. The current Libertatian Party has been taken over by right-wingers.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
"No amount of third-party/RFK Jr. shaming can erase the fact that Joe Biden is a *complete disaster who is doing his best to ruin the country*
Fixed.
Lowest peacetime unemployment since records have been kept. Putin stopped from taking over Ukraine. Biggest infrastructure program in years. COVID at bay. Relations with US allies repaired. NATO expanding.
If Biden is trying to ruin the country he is a total failure.
LOL
$32,500,000,000,000 debt where Biden was involved in almost all of it.
Petrodollar monopoly broken.
SWIFT broken.
Rampant inflation.
Countries wanting to join BRICS where even France has put out a feeler.
Germany AfD party (dislikes the US and what Biden sanctions have done to them) gaining momentum and now polling only behind CDU.
Botched extension then abandonment in Afghanistan.
Pressers involve great grandpa mumbling, bumbling, and fumbling.
Numerous kid groping incidents.
These are all positives? They are all on Biden.
Nobody can possibly be this stupid. I call bot.
Less people working than 2019. Helps when you pay people to stay home to rig those numbers.
"Helps when you pay people to stay home"
They haven't "pa[id] people to stay home" in how long? Two years?
And keep beating that Labor Participation Rate drum, Jesse. It's nice to know that you still haven't learned what it means.
The unemployment rate remains at historic lows. If someone wants a job, there are plenty out there. Employers in my area are desperate for workers. Even the pharmacies in my town can't fully staff and at least two have had to cut hours for lack of pharmacists. Same with managerial positions in retail, STEM jobs at Astra-Zeneca and DuPont, and the list goes on.
Inflation dropped to 3% in June, the 12th month in a row it has dropped. Consumer spending is still strong and, as mentioned above, the job market remains strong. All that has been managed with only one recession (literally the smallest recession possible, with 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP, the second quarter falling less than 1%).
I, like almost everyone else, expected a second one as the Fed agressively raised rates, but it's increasingly looking like the "soft landing" we all thought was a pipe dream a year ago is likely to happen. Sucks for me, since I invested expecting a recession in Q1/Q2 2023, but great news for the country.
I still loathe the irrational and irresponsible spending that Biden did and the resultant growth of the deficit. A balanced budget and cuts in spending (including reform of entitlements and FICA taxes) are my two biggest economic issues.
I'm astonished at the stability of the recovery from the inflation spike. I would have bet good money there was no way to lower inflation back to 2.5% without triggering a recession. Actually, I did bet good money on it with my investment decisions last year. I just assumed that the Fed, who caused the problem by basically giving money away for over a decade, was too incompetent to handle the delicate maneuvering required for a soft landing.
Your troll game is weak. This doesn't even rise to the level of a fart joke told by a mildly retarded eight-year-old.
'If Biden is trying to ruin the country he is a total failure."
If you hoped to be mistaken for a sentient being, you're a total failure.
Fuck off and die, shit for brains.
So, the very people that would like people to be MORE free are the fascists to these sons of bitches! What's frightening is that the average balloon head voter believes the crap that these people say is true. Suddenly, NOT forcing you to be injected against your will is fascist. These people suck and Reason isn't far behind!
Translation: WAAAH!
Are you alright? Did you sit on your balls?
The MAGA Cult and Putin want third and fourth parties because they know that it is the only way their Leader can win.
At least you tried.
Americans are not ready for self-government. If all the non-extremist GOP and all the non-extremist DEM would quit their parties and re-register as Independents, then we would have a chance. It would be clear that whichever party leaned more to its extreme would lose. That would make being a Centrist a priority. It is obvious that the money men for both parties believe that Americans do not want a coherent government but would rather fight with each other until the country is as dead as a door nail. While the money men realize that backing lunatics and feeble minded men was myopic, they too have political blinders. Thus, they cannot see that the sole hope is to promote a vast Quit and Re-register Movement. They will not out of fear that maybe someone who is not addicted to bribes might be elected.
29% of registered voters are Democrats. 27% are Republicans. That leaves 44% that are neither. It hasn't facilitated a Centrist party.
In other words, keep voting for the initiation of force, just under a different label. Rotsa ruck....
"The Libertarian Party (L.P.), the undisputed number-three political party in America for the past dozen years (including the 2022 midterms), has experienced a higher-than-usual amount of internal and legal conflict ever since the "takeover" of L.P. leadership by its Mises Caucus last year, though it remains to be seen whether the 1 percent or so of people who reliably vote Libertarian care or even know."
True that last part. The LP (I mean pre-Mises) had a huge scandal where the Executive Director (or whatever his title was) tried to remove and replace the New Hampshire state affiliate for turning Mises. Then he resigned and was replaced, but the LP News never reported anything about the scandal or the reason for him resigning. Rank and file members would have had no way of knowing unless they read Reason or listen to Dave Smith's podcast.
https://reason.com/2021/06/23/inside-the-battle-over-the-soul-of-the-libertarian-party/
Edgelord hardest hit.
Interesting speculation but in a cycle where the electoral topography is historically unstable (dementia Joe and indicted DJT), casting alternate scenarios eight months prior to Super Tuesday is brazenly fluctuant.
Believing "the anti-Trump panic binding the Democratic-voting coalition would relax" if Trump falls is wishful. DNC, MSM, and the usual suspects will happily paint DeSantis, Pence, Ramaswamy, Haley, and Scott as deranged, fascist, racist, misogynists as needed. Those battle spaces have been being prepped for months.
Of course true-believing Democrats are freaking out. Some can't tolerate any questioning of whatever the priesthood tells them. And most will absolutely, positively have a suicidal episode and/or move to Canada if Trump even comes close to winning.
Canada issued sanctions on a number of Russian institutions and individuals including a rapper named Timati. The Trudeau administration sanctioned a fucking rapper.
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Funny how those who fear most for “democracy” are most afraid of democracy
Hillary lost because she was still pushing the prohibitionist agenda to rob, cage and murder hippies, blacks and latinos over plant leaves instead of adopting the Libertarian plank. Voters accidentally exposed women to enslavement by religious fanatics when contributing 4 million votes to the Libertarian candidate who flipped 13 States away from Kleptocracy vote-rigging. Plant leaves are now thriving. Now is the time for voters to again find a party with no girl-bullying fascist agenda, and the AfD-funded Lootveeg fon Nazi Caucus ain't that party.
You call yourself libertarian "translator" but it seems like you only translate English into batshit.
It is like squirrel if the tree rat had a stroke.
I’m 100% convinced Biden was never supposed to win. Parties don’t run their A-team against a strong incumbent, and at the beginning of the primary season Trump was a strong incumbent. None of the Ds who felt they had a shot at 2024 wanted to run, so Biden became the frontrunner as a means to give an old warhorse his last hurrah before putting him out to pasture. By the time the conventions rolled around and it was clear Trump was in trouble the delegates were already in the bank and Biden had clinched the nomination. If it was 50 years earlier there would have been a brokered convention and a different candidate would have been nominated, but that’s not how it works anymore. Now Dems are faced with the choice between running a weak, unpopular candidate, or the messiness of primarying an incumbent president.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if Joe“slips” in the shower one morning and is suddenly incapacitated. The dems would then have to get behind Kamala (unlikely) or Newsome, neither of whom can beat Trump, but they have no one else at this point, unless Mitt Romney decides to run as a D.
Pierre Delecto is definitely more credible as a Demoncrat, but Governor Hair Gel will be the nominee.
I like Trump. I hate Newsom.
Newsom would soundly defeat Trump. He is a better speaker and spends his time listening to conservative media. He knows how to reach the middle and the soft right. DeSantis has the best shot against Newsom, but it's only an even chance. Remember, it is the uninformed idiots that decide elections. The people that start paying attention to politics in time to catch part of a presidential debate, or maybe see what a friend posted on facebook the day before they vote are the ones in the "middle" making the decision.
tonight greece powerball has become more than just a game; it's a shared experience that unites people from all walks of life, bridging the gap between generations and creating unforgettable memories.
We're doomed.
Agreed. Why is there even more than one. Politics is about taking away rights, not ensuring them. Politicians will always seek to empower themselves
"Sore loser" laws in many states create a huge barrier to a loser in a party primary getting on the ballot in another way. This means that RFK Jr. is effectively not a general election Presidential candidate in 2024 because he can't win the Democratic nomination and is effectively finished when the Democrats renominate Biden.
A vote for Joe is a vote for Kamala. Having witnessed a family members slow decline it’s obvious Biden will not serve out his second term . Republicans need for more 4 more years of liberal policies to show the American public just how terrible their policies are . Let’s let the liberals completely run things . Democrats don’t want everything they advocate for . The want to be able to bash conservative ideas and win elections.