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Cryptocurrencies

New Crypto Bill Aims To Circumvent SEC's Regulation-by-Enforcement Strategy

Plus: Steep drop in confidence in higher education, what The Bear can teach us about dynamism and bureaucracy, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 7.13.2023 9:38 AM

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New bipartisan crypto bill would "create a federal regulatory framework." Sens. Cynthia Lummis (R–Wyo.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D–N.Y.) have introduced a proposal to regulate cryptocurrency, called the "Responsible Financial Innovation Act." It's a reintroduction of a bill proposed last year, with some new sections added.

"This bill is a whopping 274 pages and covers most of the waterfront of crypto, from securities and commodities regulations to taxation of crypto, broad interagency coordination, and regulation of 'payment stablecoins,'" noted Justin Slaughter, policy director at the tech investment firm Paradigm.

The likelihood of this bill passing is low, predicted Slaughter. But it could be important for "how it influences the House's McHenry Thompson bill," which does have a chance of passing. The latter bill is slated for a markup later this month. (See Slaughter's Twitter thread for explainers of key parts of the Senate bill that might make it into the House measure; see a discussion draft of the House bill here.)

One key part of the bill attempts to clarify when crypto assets are securities and when they are commodities. In so doing, it "undercuts the SEC through classifying most of the fintech industry as commodities overseen by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)," noted journalist Matt Laslo. And this, he suggested, could be a good thing:

In the wake of crypto collapses, the SEC has used ambiguities in current law—coupled with congressional inaction—to amass sweeping new regulatory powers. Congress wants that power back; well, at least some of the most vocal, angry and well-versed crypto-concerned lawmakers in Washington.

"I think the SEC has been trying to regulate through enforcement, and that's typically very unwise," Gillibrand tells me.

In this sense, the congressional crypto regulation could be the lesser of evils. More from Laslo:

Even as industry leaders, investors and their congressional allies accuse the SEC of crippling crypto, what's become clear in recent months is, if Congress fails to act, again, securities regulators will aggressively go it alone….

Like other federal agencies, senators Lummis and Gillibrand gave SEC officials seats at their re-drafting table—asking for input, running revisions by the regulators and even accepting some of the agency's recommendations.

"They have seen it. We asked them to tweak it, and we've incorporated some of their changes," Lummis told me for WIRED.

After taking the SEC's concerns seriously over the past year, the senators have been left astounded-to-angered watching the heavy regulatory hand of the SEC clamp down on the likes of Coinbase and Kraken, et.

"The Binance thing I understand, because it is offshore," Lummis says. "But the domestic industries really are trying to comply for the most part and they're just getting the cold shoulder, and that's not how we regulate in this country. You know, they're not the enemy."

You can find the full Lummis-Gillibrand bill here.

It seems to set up reams of regulatory hoops for digital currencies and assets and their exchanges to jump through. For instance, it requires a bunch of new mandatory disclosures to consumers. And "each year, the chief executive officer of a crypto asset intermediary shall, under penalty of perjury, certify compliance" with these consumer disclosures, as well as "applicable anti-money laundering, customer identification, prevention of terrorist financing, and sanctions laws," and more, the bill's text states.

"So if a company says it's disclosing certain consumer protection information & then doesn't do that, the CEO can be criminally charged with perjury," notes Slaughter.

Theoretically, this is meant to deal with the Sam Bankman-Frieds of the world. But it seems like the sort of intervention that could ensnare people for simple oversights, too.

Some of the bill's provisions certainly could have positive and protective effects for consumers. Or they could be time- and resource-wasting bureaucratic nonsense that would, at worse, give the government more leeway to play gotcha with crypto businesses and invade the privacy of crypto users. The new bill just dropped, so we're still in the period of puzzling out what it will really mean for the crypto industry.

One red flag: The bill would change the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to make money-laundering offenses involving crypto assets punishable by up to five years in prison—which could have a big effect, considering how broad some money laundering statutes reach.

The bill's establishment of an interagency law enforcement working group to combat illicit crypto use also seems ripe for inviting government snooping and overreach.

In other sections, the Lummis-Gillibrand bill includes tax provisions, some good and some bad. "Token sales with a gain below $200 aren't taxed," notes Slaughter. And "trading crypto counts as capital gains income, not regular income, just like in commodities/securities."

"One major criticism from the [crypto] community…was the fact that the Act intends to uphold the Howey test," notes FXStreet. "The test is used to determine whether a transaction qualifies as an investment contract in the US which in turn labels the assets involved in the process as Securities….This test has been criticized by many for being outdated and is also the subject of controversy in the ongoing SEC vs. Ripple lawsuit."


FREE MINDS

Steep drop in confidence in higher education. A new Gallup poll finds a sharp drop in Americans' confidence in higher education. In the most recent poll, conducted in June, just 36 percent of those surveyed said they had "quite a lot" or "a great deal" of confidence in higher education, down from 48 percent in 2018 and 57 percent in 2015.

In the most recent poll, 40 percent of those surveyed had "some" confidence in higher education, while 22 percent said they had "very little" confidence. In 2018, just 15 percent of folks surveyed had very little confidence and, in 2015, just 9 percent said the same.

Confidence has dropped across the board, "but Republicans' sank the most -- 20 points to 19%, the lowest of any group," notes Gallup. "Confidence among adults without a college degree and those aged 55 and older dropped nearly as much as Republicans' since 2018."

The drop is part of a larger disillusionment with U.S. institutions. Gallup's June poll "also found confidence in 16 other institutions has been waning in recent years. Many of these entities, which are tracked more often than higher education, are now also at or near their lowest points in confidence," Gallup points out. And, "although diminished, higher education ranks fourth in confidence among the 17 institutions measured."

Institutions with the highest confidence rankings were small business (65 percent), the military (60 percent), and the police (43 percent). People had the least confidence in television news (14 percent), big business (14 percent), and Congress (8 percent).


FREE MARKETS

What The Bear can teach us about dynamism and "the regulatory nightmare of opening a restaurant." Hulu TV series The Bear centers on a talented chef named Carmy Berzatto who returns home to Chicago after his brother's* death to help save his family's flailing sandwich shop. It's also a testament to dynamism and "the regulatory nightmare of opening a restaurant," Scott Lincicome writes. Owning a restaurant is challenging in many ways, but "the industry brings many benefits for those willing to put in the work—and, importantly, regardless of their background."

That mobility's owed in part to the industry's common prioritization of results over credentials – for restaurants and their staff. A nice (expensive) degree from culinary school can open some doors and hone some skills, but the real litmus test is talent, experience, and dedication (just ask these famous chefs). And, while starting and even median compensation often isn't great, excellence pays off: Top performers—waiters, bartenders, chefs, etc.—can make surprisingly good money, even if they never went to college or end up on TV or a shiny cookbook cover.

Having some family in the biz, I've seen this all firsthand: a head waiter who started as a Spanish-only busboy, an award-winning sommelier who dropped out of college and learned wine while waiting tables at a suburban bar & grill, an owner who started as a host, and multiple food trucks that have become packed brick-and-mortar establishments. The work (and the livin') was hard, and plenty of folks burned out, but for those who could hack it—even ones with sordid pasts or messy presents—the rewards were solid.

The Bear nails this dynamic.

It also nails how "public policy can make success even harder," notes Lincicome:

Of everything standing in our heroes' way—the menu, the construction, the staff, the personal stuff—it's the government that's their biggest and most omnipresent threat. The crew estimates (optimistically) that just "permits, the inspections, and the licenses" will cost them $10,000, but the bigger cost is time: In seemingly every scene inside the restaurant, their actual work is interrupted by a deflating mention of some new bureaucratic hurdle.

More here.


QUICK HITS

• "Inflation fell to its lowest annual rate in more than two years during June," reports CNBC, "the product both of some deceleration in costs and easy comparisons against a time when price increases were running at a more than 40-year high."

• The Federal Trade Commission is appealing a judge's order denying the agency's request for it to block Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

• Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union of Iowa are suing over Iowa's new fetal heartbeat bill. "By banning the vast majority of abortions in Iowa, the Act unlawfully violates the rights of Petitioners, their medical providers and other staff, and their patients under the Iowa Constitution and would severely jeopardize their health, safety, and welfare," states their complaint.

• Meta doesn't want Threads to be the new Twitter. "If Meta executives have their way, Threads will not be where people turn to debate policy issues, or catch up on local political developments and learn about breaking news that could affect their lives," reports NPR.

• "In April, Idaho lawmakers passed legislation requiring any person under 18 to get permission from a parent or guardian before traveling out of state to get an abortion," notes The Guardian. A new lawsuit claims this statute is unconstitutional.

• Get your politics out of my pickleball, writes Reason's Jason Russell.


*CORRECTION: This post previously misstated which The Bear character had died.

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  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    What The Bear can teach us about dynamism and "the regulatory nightmare of opening a restaurant."

    This bear doesn't come in a trunk, does it? Asking for Jeffy.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Jeff cums in trunks, swim trunks.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        From the children's section.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Of the store or the pool?

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Both.

        2. Chumby   2 years ago

          Gooey decimal system

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

            +1 Nice

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      I have to ask: what's with the "bears in trunks" meme? I must have missed that particular thread I assume it must be a good one since it usually pulls in all the grey boxes.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        I missed it myself, but apparently chemtard made one of his dumb sophistic analogies using a bear jumping out of a trunk as an example. It was so blatantly stupid that it ended up becoming a meme, like the "BLM membership card" joke that came about after White Mike repeatedly claimed that BLM never started any riots during the Summer of Floyd, because the rioters didn't expressly identify themselves as BLM members.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Jeff was calling posters dishonest for mocking his post for weeks and continues to defend it as valid.

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

          IIFC, Something about not wearing a mask was like driving around with a bear in your trunk. If either the covid or the bear got loose its your fault.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            I posted the amazing link below. Full conversation is great.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Ahh, back during the time when people still were parroting the Eastasia line that masks prevent the spread of viruses, after decades of research and as late as April 2020 stating that they didn't.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              But what did Fauci say about bears?

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                Don’t poke the bear, but you should jab them.

                1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                  Lol

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        https://reason.com/podcast/2021/10/25/freedom-responsibility-and-coronavirus-policy/?comments=true#comment-9176512

        1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

          JesseAz, I had to re-read that 3X because I could not believe the latent stupidity of that analogy. I just have to shake my head. He must be a millennial.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            And he defended it for weeks against ceaseless mocking. He continued to defend it even this year. Why the meme won't die.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Although, this Hooters girls being equivalent to drag queen story hour is coming close.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                Is it sexualization of child if a drag queen tells a story about a Hooters waitress who got an abortion at 21 weeks after being incestuously impregnated by Bear Bryant in the trunk of a car?

                1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

                  "Bareback with Bear Grylls", a Drag Queen Story Hour classic.

        2. R Mac   2 years ago

          Good times.

        3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago (edited)

          Holy shit, that’s as funny and tragic as I imagined it would be. Thanks for that.

        4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          I am honestly proud to have been there that day to defend rational discourse.

        5. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          Goddamn, I had forgotten how retarded the original was.

  2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    What will we know first:
    Who left the pipe bomb on Jan 6?
    Whose coke was left at the white house?
    Who leaked the Dobbs decision?
    What is in the tranny manifesto?
    Why Jeffy thinks men have to be in drag to read to little kids?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      We will never know these things.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Well after a thorough investigation we found out that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide all by himself. Hard to believe I know. But there was an investigation by completely disinterested public servants.

        1. AngliaJames17   2 years ago (edited)

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      I think we'll find out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop first.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        Three. That's been settled for decades.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          The Science is settled?

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

            Yes, Mr. "The science" Owl declared it so.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Somehow, you missed the entire ad, after Mr. Owl spoke.

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                Who?

              2. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

                Well I was just a kid and this is the dumbest argument I was ever in...and I'm FULLY IN. 🙂

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          So less than the number of covid boosters.

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

            Yes, but just as effective.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      "Why Jeffy thinks men have to be in drag to read to little kids?"

      Sure they’re dressed like strippers instead of Mrs. Doubtfire, but Jeff swears it’s not sexual.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        But Hooters!!!!!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Boys in middle schools and high schools everywhere approve.

        2. R Mac   2 years ago

          Don’t forget Snow White!

        3. Ersatz   2 years ago

          yes, some of them have hooters
          .. i think one did his big reveal at a whitehouse party

    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Why Jeffy thinks men have to be in drag to read to little kids?

      Why do you think drag queens want to read books to kids? And be sure to give evidence and proof to support your answer.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        You've never answered it, nor have you answered if shorts and a T-shirt on women outside of Hooters is the equivalent of a drag show. It's early, and we've got all fucking day.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          I answered it yesterday.
          Why don't you try answering it.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The left doesn't even hide they are defending kink, a sexualization if acts. Here is planned Parenthood.

          Planned Parenthood
          @PPFA
          ·
          Follow
          Don’t yuck someone else’s yum – everyone deserves the freedom to explore their own sexuality free of shame and stigma.

          News media complained of lack of kink in The Little Mermaid.

          It is all about sex. Jeff knows this but thinks it his duty to deny it.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Maybe that is Jeff's kink.

          2. Chumby   2 years ago

            The Little Spermaid?

            1. Ersatz   2 years ago

              did someone say?...

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

        1. Because it gives them sexual thrills. (how many links do you want on this one Jeff? I’ve got at least a dozen where the drag queen turned out to be a registered child sex offender).

        2. Normalization and indoctrination.

        3. Trolling the proles.

        Now YOU answer the question.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          I've got work for the next two hours so to preemptively head you off: Houston Public Library admits registered child sex offender read to kids in Drag Queen Storytime

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            It was wrong for this library to not do its due diligence and prevent this sex offender from reading to kids, regardless if the person was a drag queen or not.

            But, how many non-drag-queens were registered sex offenders when they read books to kids?

            Pointing out this one anecdote, without putting the number into context, is just an attempt to smear the entire group as sex offenders by reference to this one example.

            Reminder: Denny Hastert, a REPUBLICAN, is a pedophile.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              Pointing out this one anecdote, without putting the number into context, is just an attempt to smear the entire group as sex offenders by reference to this one example.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Pointing out this one anecdote, without putting the number into context, is just an attempt to smear the entire group as sex offenders by reference to this one example.

                Sure was. Glad you picked up on that. That is what happens when you throw out individual anecdotes without context or statistics.

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  Over your head once again.

                  1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                    It is ok when he does it.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    No I get it. You don't like it when the dishonest tactic is used against your tribe, but when it's used against the other tribe, it's totally legit.

                    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                      Not what happened.

            2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              Reminder: Denny Hastert, a REPUBLICAN, is a pedophile and in
              jail

              Reminder: Ed Murray, a DEMOCRAT, is a pedophile and is not in jail

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                This just happened but they have to go back a decade or two.

                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/college-park-maryland-mayor-arrested-child-pornography-charges

                Then all the leftist media people caught up in pedophilia too.

                1. Chumby   2 years ago

                  That mayor (D) was buddies with Buttigieg (D) and visited the Biden (D) white house several times.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Gaslighting!!!

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          1. Because it gives them sexual thrills.

          I doubt it, and I doubt you could ever prove this is the case for even a majority of drag queens. But EVEN IF TRUE - is that justification to use state force to prevent drag queens from interacting with kids? If so, then that is basically punishing thoughtcrime.

          2. Normalization and indoctrination.

          Normalization of what? That it's okay to dress up as a drag queen? Okay, fine. I don't see the harm in that.

          Indodctrination into what? You think they want to turn kids gay?

          3. Trolling the proles.

          Maybe. Sure did work, didn't it? You all are awfully triggered by a bunch of dudes in outrageous lady costumes.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            You got triggered by tee shirts and shorts on pretty girls.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              And hooter waitresses aren't telling kids to dress up as hooter girls and have men stuff dollars in their pants.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Can you imagine the outrage from the left if they did, at least if they targeted little girls?

                On second thought, it might might not bother some of them.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Imagine celebrating Hooters Moms like the left does drag moms.

      3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        Why do men have to be dressed like women to read to kids Jeffy?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          They're not even dressed like women because that would mean mom jeans and sweaters. They dress like strippers and sex workers to read to the kids. 99.9% of women don't dress like that on a regular basis.
          It's all about including kids in their kink.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            No, they are dressed like outrageous caricatures of women.
            You are purposefully confusing drag queens at drag shows, and drag queens at story hour.

            Here is what the drag queens at story hour look like:

            https://www.dragstoryhour.org/

            They are not dressed like strippers. They are dressed in outrageous over-the-top costumes.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              Why?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Why the fuck not?

                They don't need to justify the exercise of their liberty to you.

                Why does anyone organize an event to read books to kids?

                1. Chumby   2 years ago

                  Why does anyone organize an event to read books to kids?

                  To provide an activity for the children to learn and be entertained. Children’s book events are not for the organizer and/or presenter to use for their own sexual release or for grooming the children.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Children’s book events are not for the organizer and/or presenter to use for their own sexual release or for grooming the children.

                    Except that is your bigoted assumption not supported by the facts.

                    1. Chumby   2 years ago

                      When 2+2=5, I suppose anything is reasonable as long as it leads to an adult male getting sexual arousal in front of and due to an audience of children.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Your assumption is that drag queens are being sexually aroused by reading books to kids.

                      Do you have any evidence to support this assumption?

                    3. Chumby   2 years ago

                      Yes. Several videos posted on TG of this very thing. They’re not linkable not postable; one of the reasons why I left this platform due to its inability to share media such as that. There was the recent pride parade where similar occurred. There are numerous videos of Biden (D) groping kids; that platform allows posting them but here does not.
                      Let’s pivot back to the original question: why must grown men insist on dressing in drag and having an audience of children? Try to answer without your pro-groomer bigotry.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Yes. Several videos posted on TG of this very thing. They’re not linkable not postable; one of the reasons why I left this platform due to its inability to share media such as that.

                      What is TG? If they are not linkable, could you provide instructions on how to access them?

                      I will tell you, the only evidence that I have seen, at a Drag Queen Story Hour, was one instance of a drag queen supposedly "flashing" the audience by exposing his crotch. But if you look closely at the image, what is happening is that he is sitting down and reaching over to his side to grab a book; and because he is wearing a short skirt and due to the shifting of his weight to grab the book, his crotch is momentarily exposed. And the anti-drag crowd love to show that image as 'proof' that drag queens are doing something dirty or naughty. It sure looks to me though that it was a momentary exposure due to the shifting of his weight, not an intentional act to expose kids to his crotch, and if that is the only evidence that drag queens AS A GROUP are pedophiles or sexually aroused by being around kids, then that is extremely weak evidence.

                      Let’s pivot back to the original question: why must grown men insist on dressing in drag and having an audience of children?

                      And I keep telling you: because I do not accept your claim that drag queens are inherently sexually deviant towards kids in some way, then in my mind, drag queens wearing a costume to read to kids is no different than scientists wearing a lab coat to read to kids, or magicians wearing a top hat and cape to read to kids. None of them *NEED* to wear those things to read to kids, but that is part of the group's identity and it's what they have chosen to do. It's not harmful, it's not deviant, it's not grooming, it's just people choosing to have fun and promoting the group while sharing the joy of reading with kids. That's it.

                    5. Chumby   2 years ago

                      TG = Telegram

                      In 2019, Houston allowed a registered sex offender read to children at Drag Queen Storytime.

                      Also in 2019, a drag queen flashed flesh colored tights to toddlers in Minnesota.

                      In October of 2018, pictures emerged from an Oregon library of a child lying on top of a drag queen during a storytime event.

                      The Drag Queen Story Hour (DQSH) mission includes:
                      In turn, drag queen teachers have much to learn from interactions with children: many queens reflect that DQSH allows them to build relationships with young people that otherwise would not be possible.
                      Strangers should not be building relationships with kids.

                      In 2021, drag queen Kitty Demure (assuming stage name) stated:
                      I have no idea why you want drag queens to read books to your children… What in the hell has a drag queen ever done to make you have so much respect for them and admire them so much? Other than put on makeup and jump on the floor and writhe around and do sexual things on stage? I have absolutely no idea why you would want that to influence your child. Would you want a stripper or a porn star to influence your child? … A drag queen performs in a nightclub for adults. There is a lot of filth that goes on, a lot of sexual stuff that goes on. And backstage there’s a lot of nudity, sex, and drugs… So I don’t think this is an avenue you would want your child to explore… But to actually get [your children] involved in drag is extremely, extremely irresponsible on your part.

                      At what age do you believe a male can have a sexual relationship with a 40-year old man? Say that male wants to. Not what current regulations are but what you think that age of consent should be?

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      In 2019, Houston allowed a registered sex offender read to children at Drag Queen Storytime.

                      Yes, ML mentioned that above. It was wrong for the library not to do its due diligence and let that person read books to kids. But it was wrong regardless if the person was a drag queen or not.

                      Also in 2019, a drag queen flashed flesh colored tights to toddlers in Minnesota.

                      Yes, that is the incident I mentioned above.

                      In October of 2018, pictures emerged from an Oregon library of a child lying on top of a drag queen during a storytime event.

                      Okay? That is from your Megan Murphy article below. I saw the picture. I didn’t see anything indecent about it. Do you? If so, why?

                      Strangers should not be building relationships with kids.

                      Umm, teachers and mentors and coaches do that all the time with kids. It’s only in your head that you have interpreted ‘relationships’ in some sinister (probably sexual) way.

                      In 2021, drag queen Kitty Demure (assuming stage name) stated:

                      Yes, I read that same quote in the Megan Murphy article. That is her opinion. That’s fine. I am sure that drag queens, like all people, have a diversity of opinions.

                      So is this the sum total of the evidence in favor of the claim that drag queens are inherently pedophiles, or that they are inherently sexually aroused by being around kids? Is that it? If so, then it is very weak evidence. A few anecdotes and one opinion from a drag queen, who doesn't even say herself that drag queens are pedophiles.

                      At what age do you believe a male can have a sexual relationship with a 40-year old man? Say that male wants to. Not what current regulations are but what you think that age of consent should be?

                      I don’t see how this is a relevant question to this conversation, since nobody is even discussing or justifying kids having sex with adults.

                    7. Chumby   2 years ago

                      A child laying on a stranger is acceptable behavior? We’re back to grooming. There was a priest here that would start with the “hand slap game.” Biden (D) gropes, sniffs and grabs. This is ignoring boundaries.

                      Teachers and coaches don’t have kids lay on top of them. Neither does the school janitor or school bus driver.

                      Do you think the age of consent should be 30? Something else?

                    8. R Mac   2 years ago

                      “and because he is wearing a short skirt and due to the shifting of his weight to grab the book, his crotch is momentarily exposed.”

                      Yes, that’s what flashing means. And it’s why they’re doing it, Pedo Jeffy.

                    9. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      A child laying on a stranger is acceptable behavior?

                      I would need more context than just that one picture before I make some sweeping conclusion. But from that one picture alone, I did not see anything indecent about it. I didn't see any groping or inappropriate touching.

                      Teachers and coaches don’t have kids lay on top of them.

                      Well, you have heard of 'dogpile celebrations', haven't you?

                      Do you think the age of consent should be 30? Something else?

                      Why do you keep asking this question? How is it relevant to the current discussion?

                    10. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      And just to review.

                      We are down to precisely three anecdotes:
                      One is about a drag queen who was inadvertently permitted to read books even though he was a registered sex offender.
                      One is about a drag queen who inadvertently exposed his crotch as he shifted his weight to grab a book on the floor.
                      One is about a drag queen who had a child lie on top of him, with no apparent inappropriate touching or groping.

                      Do you expect me to believe, based on these three anecdotes alone, that drag queens AS A GROUP, are INHERENTLY pedophiles, or that they are INHERENTLY sexually attracted to kids?

                    11. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      This is ignoring boundaries.

                      It very well could be. But "ignoring boundaries" is a far cry from "pedophile".

                    12. Chumby   2 years ago

                      A child laying on top of a stranger is enough context to fall under “inappropriate.”

                      Why do you keep avoiding a simple question? Lewis Carroll may have an idea and he is a celebrated author. What do you think the age of consent should be between an older man and a younger male?

                      The three incidents all have serious issues.

                    13. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      A child laying on top of a stranger is enough context to fall under “inappropriate.”

                      I respect that that is your opinion. I disagree with the generality of that statement, I would need more case-specific context before I would know if an individual situation were inappropriate or not.

                      Why do you keep avoiding a simple question? Lewis Carroll may have an idea and he is a celebrated author. What do you think the age of consent should be between an older man and a younger male?

                      It sounds like you are trying to change the subject for some reason. I don't know how age of consent laws are relevant to the current discussion.

                      The three incidents all have serious issues.

                      Well, I would say only one of the three is in any way serious. But in any event, there have been only three anecdotes presented. From the evidence presented thus far, I don't think it is reasonable to conclude that drag queens AS A GROUP are INHERENTLY pedophiles or INHERENTLY sexually attracted to kids.

                      Do you have statistical evidence or some other type of evidence to back up your claim?

                    14. Chumby   2 years ago

                      2) It is happening but only a little.

                      Another story was provided below.

                      Earlier this year, Britain had a children’s drag event at Caba Baba Rave that wasn’t well received. There were toddlers there.

                      I said it is inappropriate. Do you have statistical evidence to refute what you say I’m claiming?

                      The question is germane to the issue.

                    15. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      2) It is happening but only a little.

                      Look, drag queens are people, just like everyone else. Some are saints and some are sinners. I never claimed that they were all perfect model citizens, they aren’t. But I am also not the one making the claim that they are ALL sinners by trying to link them to being inherently pedophiles or inherently sexually attracted to kids.

                      Earlier this year, Britain had a children’s drag event at Caba Baba Rave that wasn’t well received. There were toddlers there.

                      Once again, we are talking about Drag Queen Story Hour, not drag shows or Pride parades.

                      I said it is inappropriate. Do you have statistical evidence to refute what you say I’m claiming?

                      You are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for your claim.

                      The question is germane to the issue.

                      Well fine. I will give you the benefit of the doubt since you have been a more or less pleasant interlocutor today.

                      I think the concept of age of consent is a complicated one from a libertarian perspective, because the concept of the age of majority is a complicated one. At least from my perspective, the age of consent and the age of majority should be the same thing. The CONCEPT is that there is a certain age at which one is fully capable to accept full responsibility for one’s decisions and therefore one is legally allowed to sign contracts and otherwise be treated fully as an adult. But what should this age be? Truthfully, there is no single age at which everyone has developed suitably such that they ought to be treated fully an adult. Personally, I believe in a standards-based approach to achieve this same outcome: an individual will have reached legal adulthood if that person meets a certain set of standards, regardless of age. These standards should include academic subjects, but they can also include physical tests, moral reasoning, there is no real limit to the types of standards that can be included in this approach. And they should be designed such that for *most* people, they would be achieved at about what the age of majority is now, somewhere around 18 years old. But for some it will be a little earlier, and for some it will be a little later, and that’s okay.

                      Does this answer your question?

                    16. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      Do you have statistical evidence or some other type of evidence to back up your claim?

                      They are adult men in dresses wanting to be seen and heard by other people's kids. Not their own kids. Not their friends kids. Kids to whom they are complete strangers.

                      If you can't see the problem with grown men, who display exhibitionist and fetishistic behaviors, specifically targeting an audience of children with the stated goal of normalizing the children to such behaviors, you are willfully obtuse.

                    17. Chumby   2 years ago

                      We’ve established that drag shows are inappropriate for children. And also established that pride parades are inappropriate for children. If I am reading correctly. In part due to sex acts and portraying sex acts. Why the demand by grown men dressing up as drag queens to bring that culture to a children book activity? There were incidents identified that involved pedos participating, the flashing, and an adult stranger having a child laying on top of them.

                      You claimed I said that - you provide the evidence to refute.

                      Passing means testing allows one to be an adult. Are the high school aptitude tests sufficient? Something less since some blue city kids have challenges passing even them? I could pass them at age 12 and requested that option to skip high school - it was denied. If you make the testing tougher, what happens with all the people that fail? Absent of tougher tests, there will be pre-teens that could pass. Toughening the standards to skew age may still let 13 and 14 year olds pass.

                    18. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      We’ve established that drag shows are inappropriate for children. And also established that pride parades are inappropriate for children. If I am reading correctly. In part due to sex acts and portraying sex acts.

                      No, we haven't. It depends. I have only said it is a different discussion.

                      Why the demand by grown men dressing up as drag queens to bring that culture to a children book activity?

                      But they are not bringing "that culture". They are only bringing themselves.

                      If a Black guy reads books to kids, is he bringing a culture of crime and gangsta rap? Or, maybe it's a little bit racist to suggest that every stereotype associated with his skin color is shared by him personally?

                      As I said elsewhere, there is no necessary reason why a drag queen MUST perform strip teases at seedy nightclubs. Just like there is no necessary reason why a Black guy has to listen to gangsta rap and rob a liquor store.

                      You claimed I said that – you provide the evidence to refute.

                      You wrote above:
                      When 2+2=5, I suppose anything is reasonable as long as it leads to an adult male getting sexual arousal in front of and due to an audience of children.

                      That is the claim for which you have yet to provide anything but very weak evidence. That drag queens are inherently sexually aroused in the presence of children.

                      Passing means testing allows one to be an adult. Are the high school aptitude tests sufficient?

                      The way I envision it - no. The standards tests that I envision would be stricter, and not solely academic in nature. They would include physical tests and practical tests and tests of moral reasoning and tests of logical deduction and tests of artistic creativity. My idea is admittedly revolutionary and would require a wholesale reimagination of the entire educational system. Which is overdue anyway, for a large number of reasons.

                    19. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      They are adult men in dresses wanting to be seen and heard by other people’s kids. Not their own kids. Not their friends kids. Kids to whom they are complete strangers.

                      If you can’t see the problem with grown men, who display exhibitionist and fetishistic behaviors, specifically targeting an audience of children with the stated goal of normalizing the children to such behaviors, you are willfully obtuse.

                      I can understand how some might view their behavior as a little bit creepy. So if you don't want to take your kids there, you ought to have full liberty not to.

                      But 'a little bit creepy' is not the same as 'they are definitely pedophiles who are sexually attracted to children'.

                      Shouldn't we be judging drag queens as individuals?

                    20. Chumby   2 years ago

                      So now drag shows and pride parades are ok for kids? Or could be? Maybe? The bigger argument is drag culture is a non-no for kids and the drag queen in the article stated that forcefully.

                      A gang member showing up as a gang member to read children’s books would also be a problem. Wtf about a black man? Headed back to:
                      5) Racist!

                      The behavior is grooming. That is never acceptable no matter how many kids Biden gropes.

                      Some disabled people won’t pass. I believe I was running around a 6:01 minute mile a year later at age 13. Can you do under 10 minutes? Is the creativity part for boys dressing up as a burlesque woman then having younger kids lay on top? Maybe an “accidental” exposure? There will be young teens that can pass that or you’ll have a lot of blue city public school kids never passing.

                    21. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      So now drag shows and pride parades are ok for kids? Or could be? Maybe?

                      Sure, maybe. It depends on the details.

                      The bigger argument is drag culture is a non-no for kids and the drag queen in the article stated that forcefully.

                      That is one person's opinion. Last I checked, this person does not represent every drag queen everywhere.

                      Furthermore, as I said, drag queens bring themselves, not "drag culture". Do you want to be judged based on your individual self, or based on your culture?

                      Finally, I reject the idea that there is some single universal standard of what is "appropriate" for kids beyond the NAP (which is a universal principle for everyone, not just kids). What is or is not appropriate depends very strongly on the situation, the kids, the parents, the environment, a whole host of circumstances and variables. Which is yet another reason why the government should be very very hesitant to get involved and try to enforce some single universal standard (beyond the NAP). What is to you a just and decent law to 'protect kids', is a tyrannical 'morality police' to someone else.

                      And you have now changed your claim so many times I can't even keep track of what you stand for anymore. Let me just ask:

                      Do you think drag queens are pedophiles? Yes or no?
                      Do you think drag queens are sexually attracted to kids? Yes or no?
                      Do you think drag queens are "grooming" kids, where "grooming" here meaning preparing them for sex? Yes or no?
                      Do you think drag queens are trying to turn kids gay? Yes or no?

                    22. Chumby   2 years ago

                      All grooming.

                      They represent a relevant authority. Perhaps we also ask the convicted pedophile drag queen that participated in story time to get a counter perspective.

                      When the gimp shows up as the gimp, they bring that culture.

                      Grooming violates children’s boundaries.

                      To make it a challenging test, doesn’t sound like you’d be able to pass. Fortunately for you, you are an old man and it is legal for you to attend drag queen shows.

                      Some are as evidenced by the articles.

                      Some are as evidenced by the articles.

                      The ones insisting on performing in front of children.

                      I have no idea.

                    23. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      This will be my last comment on the matter for today, as I've spent all day commenting on this topic and I think this is enough for one day.

                      When the gimp shows up as the gimp, they bring that culture.

                      Well at long last you finally get around to admitting that this is a collectivist exercise for you. It sure seems as though you are saying that the drag queen that reads books to kids is no different than the drag queen dancing on a stripper pole accepting dollar bills in a G-string, or the drag queen marching in a Pride parade with a giant fake penis. This is manifestly unfair and it denies the individuality of the people involved. But at least I have a better understanding of where you are coming from.

                      Grooming violates children’s boundaries.

                      If there were actual grooming going on, I would agree with you. But I do not agree that drag queens reading books to kids represents grooming, as that term is properly understood.

                      Some are as evidenced by the articles.

                      Well I guess this is an improvement then. At least you aren't claiming that ALL drag queens are pedophiles or sexually attracted to kids. I agree that some drag queens are pedophiles and some drag queens are sexually attracted to kids. JUST LIKE some proportion of all people everywhere, unfortunately. They are not exceptional nor unique in this regard.

                      The ones insisting on performing in front of children.

                      I disagree. There is no necessary connection between dressing up in outrageous women's costumes and reading books to kids, and sexual intercourse.

                      I have no idea.

                      The answer is no. No one is trying to turn anyone gay.

                      Thank you for a relatively pleasant conversation, at least by Reason standards.

                    24. Chumby   2 years ago

                      The drag queen said that too. The one that didn’t have a kid laying on them or the one without the cp content.

                      It is grooming. It is lowering inhibitions and has no place with kids.

                      Insisting on pushing that culture on kids is troublesome. There might be two people in the comments that would want complete bans. I don’t give a rat’s ass what the adults do together. Drag queens. BDSM. Furries. I don’t care. For any to insist to push it on kids where at least some include inappropriate contact and at least some are convicted sex offenders - never.

                2. Nobartium   2 years ago

                  It's happening and it's a good thing.

                  1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                    Nobody ever said drag queen story hours are not happening.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      The joke.

                      Mike Laursen.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                      What about GAC surgery on minors?

                3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                  Why does anyone organize an event to read books to kids in drag?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    So the answer you are clearly trolling for, is BECAUSE THEY ARE PEDOPHILES WHO WANT TO FUCK KIDS.

                    And if you really believe that, then provide some evidence of this. Otherwise it is just a bigoted assumption on your part.

                    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      If you belive it is something different tell us why and provide some evidence for it.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      If you are making the claim that drag queens are inherently pedophiles, then the burden of proof is on you.

                    3. Chumby   2 years ago

                      Nice strawman - I didn’t make that claim. Drag queens that insist on dressing provocatively and performing acts that mimic sex acts in front of children are a problem. It becomes more worrisome when these groomers bogart something as innocuous as a children’s book reading to satiate their desires. You seem to have a bigotry against children activities excluding grown men engaging in grooming at said activities.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      Nice strawman – I didn’t make that claim.

                      I believe Spiritus Mundi is, however.

                      Drag queens that insist on dressing provocatively and performing acts that mimic sex acts in front of children are a problem.

                      That is a different issue than Drag Queen Story Hour.

                      It becomes more worrisome when these groomers bogart something as innocuous as a children’s book reading to satiate their desires.

                      Okay, stop right there. It sure sounds like you are implying that drag queens are using reading books as some type of cover to get access to kids to satiate their *real* desire to get sexually aroused in the presence of children. Is that what you are claiming?

                      If that is what you are claiming, then you have to prove it. Because right now that’s just an assumption on your part.

                      You seem to have a bigotry against children activities excluding grown men engaging in grooming at said activities.

                      Umm, no. When have I objected to Story Hour organized by other groups?

                    5. Chumby   2 years ago

                      I don’t care what you believe given your pro-groomer proclivities, however.

                      Stop sexualizing children.

                    6. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      Provide just one reasonable explaination for why they have to perform in front of children. Nothing is stoping them from reading to kids not in drag. So why must they be in drag?

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I don’t care what you believe given your pro-groomer proclivities, however.

                      Okay. So I will take that as your statement that you believe drag queens are inherently sexually aroused by children, but you have no evidence to support this belief, and so your belief is based more on bigotry than on evidence.

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Provide just one reasonable explaination for why they have to perform in front of children. Nothing is stoping them from reading to kids not in drag. So why must they be in drag?

                      One more time, I do not accept your claim that drag queens are inherently pedophiles or inherently sexually aroused just by being around children. If you want me to accept your claim, you will have to provide some convincing evidence for that claim.

                      So because I don't accept your claim, then in my mind, having a Drag Queen Story Hour is no different than having a Scientist Story Hour or a Magician Story Hour. For a Scientist Story Hour, they might show up in lab coats. For a Magician Story Hour, they might show up wearing top hats and capes. So for Drag Queen Story Hour, they show up in outrageous women's costumes. It is not a big deal, not harmful to kids, and not worth creating a moral panic over.

                    9. Chumby   2 years ago

                      There are videos of this both at children’s book hour (about aa inappropriate of a place possible) and at pride parades. You’re on:
                      3) It is happening, but it is not what you think. Feel free to skip ahead again to:
                      5) Racist! Bigot!

                    10. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                      It’s not some big mystery what they claim their motivation for holding drag queen story hours is. They have stated it many times: to promote acceptance of drag queens.

                      Now, you might not believe they are telling the truth, and they are really trying to groom children.

                      At least be honest and acknowledge they have stated their goal.

                    11. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I'm not talking about Pride parades, I'm not talking about drag shows, I'm talking about Drag Queen Story Hour at libraries.

                    12. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      I don't care if you dismiss the idea they are in drag to groom children, I want you to provide an alternate explination. Scientist, magicians, hooters are not explinations. So, for what reason do men demand an audience of children while they are dressed like women?

                    13. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      So, for what reason do men demand an audience of children while they are dressed like women?

                      They want to promote the interests of their group while sharing the joy of reading with kids. There is your alternate explanation. I can’t say it any other way.

                    14. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      And what evidence do you base that opinion on? You are just assuming their intent.

                    15. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago (edited)

                      It’s not some big mystery what they claim their motivation for holding drag queen story hours is. They have stated it many times: to promote acceptance of drag queens.

                      Now, you might not believe they are telling the truth, and they are really trying to groom children.

                      I believe them. Promoting the acceptance of deviant behavior to children and grooming children are not mutually exclusive. The former is a well known precursor to later.

                    16. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Promoting the acceptance of deviant behavior to children

                      You think the behavior is 'deviant'. Others think the behavior is 'harmless'.

                      Should the state get involved?

                    17. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      You think the behavior is ‘deviant’. Others think the behavior is ‘harmless’.
                      Should the state get involved?

                      They don't need to. The community can resolve it at the "local level," but you'd whine about that, too.

            2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              Let's bring back Minstrel shows. YAY!

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                That’s only for children’s coloring book hour.

      4. Nardz   2 years ago

        "Why do you think drag queens want to read books to kids? And be sure to give evidence and proof to support your answer."

        Because many of them are pedophiles, and they're all mentally ill perverts who get off on corrupting children.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

          How many drag queens are pedophiles? Do you have any statistics on the matter?

          they’re all mentally ill perverts who get off on corrupting children.

          Well, coming from the guy who thinks that being gay is itself deviant and that kids should be taught that, I can see why someone expressing themselves in a non-heterosexual way would lead you to believe that they are 'corrupting children'. But the problem here is you, not them.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

            How many drag queens are pedophiles?

            100% of those who demand an audience of children for their exhibitionism.

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              ^

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Oh, so the Orwellian redefinition of language continues.

              So pedophilia now does not mean merely "sex with kids", now it means "just being a drag queen in the vicinity of kids".

              Well I'm glad I asked the question. It is much as I suspected. You think drag queens are INHERENTLY perverts and pedophiles. I hope Chucky is reading this discussion.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                Just those that demand an audience of children. And you need to look up what it means to be a pedo. It isn't just 'merely' sex with minors. It is sexual arousal from minors. Something these people get from their drag exhibitionism. So, I ask again, what innocent explination is there for these men to preform in front of children.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Okay, strictly speaking, pedophilia is sexual attraction to kids, not just sex with kids. You are right.

                  Something these people get from their drag exhibitionism.

                  That is your unproven assumption. I don't buy into your assumption. You need to do the work to prove your claim.

                  1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                    So, I ask again, what innocent explination is there for these men to preform in front of children.

                    1. Chumby   2 years ago

                      Interesting article:

                      https://www.feministcurrent.com/2022/06/26/why-do-children-need-drag-queen-story-hour/

                    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      From the article:
                      read stories to children under the guise of normalizing “gender fluidity” and giving kids “glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models.”

                      They admit it is 100% to groom kids into their lifesytles. They admit, but Jeffy just can't accept it.

                    3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      Also, Jeffy says the picture that is associated with that article is fake. Only pictures he approves of are representative of drag queen story hour. Definitely not pictures of strange men with little girls in their laps.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Finally, something a little more concrete to discuss.

                      First, it is a very one-sided opinion piece, not a news article or a research article. You can tell when the opening line all but declares outright that drag queens are child predators.

                      Second, it lumps together various behaviors at Drag Queen Story Hour, Pride parades, and drag shows. That is dishonest and unfair. People are capable of acting differently in different situations. A drag queen who wears a revealing costume for an adult-only drag show but who wears an outrageous yet modest costume for Drag Queen Story Hour is no different than when anyone else does the same thing - wear adult clothes for adult-only events, and then wear professional clothes for professional events.

                      Third, yes there can be a lot of seediness in 'drag culture'. Perhaps, however, one of the purposes of movements like Drag Queen Story Hours is an attempt by drag queens to change the nature and the image of the group itself? There is no necessary reason why drag queens have to be associated with this seedy underground. So if this is the case, then it seems unfair to criticize drag queens for wanting to be 'less seedy' by always referring to how seedy it is.

                      Fourth, the author blithely assumes, as many people here do, that drag queens are motivated by some sexual desire. Over and over she simply declares that it is a "sexual fetish" or a "sexual proclivity". Again - they are men dressing up as outrageous caricatures of women. There COULD be some sexual element to it, or it could be just dudes having fun. She doesn't prove this claim either, just like neither Chumby nor Spiritus Mundi did.

                      And finally, her final paragraph is simply baseless slander:

                      What these parents, as well as librarians, school staff, and others, seem to have forgotten is that historically, sexual predators have rarely been open about their true nature and motives.

                      In other words, she declares drag queens to be sexual predators, she can't prove they are sexual predators, but it doesn't matter because even if they profess their innocence, you can't trust them because they are just lying about being sexual predators. It is a completely unfalsifiable argument - no matter what anyone says or does, the conclusion is the same, they are sexual predators. She doesn't need to prove it, and nothing they can do can prove their innocence. QED.

                      So yes, if you apply a Spanish Inquisition-level standard of rigor to drag queens to demand that they prove themselves not to be sexual predators, then they will fail. But that is because the standard is rigged.

                    5. Chumby   2 years ago

                      First - nobody gives a shit what your biased, bigoted opinion is.

                      Second - drag culture. Even addressed in the article by a drag queen as inappropriate for kids.

                      Third - goal post shift. If adults want to engage in bdsm, go for it. Having the gimp read to kids doesn’t make it less seedy.

                      Fourth - why the insistence of doing this in front of kids? Flashing and touching that had occurred is unacceptable no matter how many times Biden does it.

                      https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/07/04/drag-queen-who-danced-for-kids-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography/

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Second – drag culture. Even addressed in the article by a drag queen as inappropriate for kids.

                      See, I have a problem with categorizing people into these cultural boxes like this. Not just with 'drag culture' but in general.

                      Take the old chestnut of the elementary school teacher who moonlights as a stripper. Should this teacher be judged according to 'teacher culture' (hardworking, dedicated to her students) or 'stripper culture' (slutty slut who sells sex)? If a parent were to say "this teacher should be fired because she is a part of 'stripper culture' which is not appropriate for kids", would you agree with this parent? I would hope that this teacher would be judged on her individual merits, and not based on whatever culture she identifies with.

                      It is the same with drag queens and 'drag culture', and all of us really. While there is a 'drag culture', should all drag queens be judged according to 'drag culture'? It may not even be the case that the drag queens who participate in Drag Queen Story Hour are the same ones who perform at seedy nightclubs. There is no necessary reason why a drag queen has to participate at all, or to participate fully, in 'drag culture'.

                      So I am not buying into this critique of hers.

                      Third – goal post shift. If adults want to engage in bdsm, go for it. Having the gimp read to kids doesn’t make it less seedy.

                      This is a terrible analogy, since BDSM is an explicit sexual practice but crossdressing is not.

                      Fourth – why the insistence of doing this in front of kids? Flashing and touching that had occurred is unacceptable no matter how many times Biden does it.

                      They want to promote the interests of their group while sharing the joy of reading with kids. It is not that hard to understand.

                      https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/07/04/drag-queen-who-danced-for-kids-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography/

                      Okay, then you have an anecdote of a drag queen who behaved badly. Should I conclude from this anecdote that ALL drag queens are child predators?

                    7. Nobartium   2 years ago

                      Should this teacher be judged according to ‘teacher culture’ (hardworking, dedicated to her students) or ‘stripper culture’ (slutty slut who sells sex)? If a parent were to say “this teacher should be fired because she is a part of ‘stripper culture’ which is not appropriate for kids”, would you agree with this parent?

                      Yes, and you should to. That's the difference between internal morality (how one acts when you aren't looking) and external morality (everything else).

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      And let's just skip to the end a little bit.

                      Suppose little Johnny goes to Drag Queen Story Hour and is impressed and wants to grow up to be a drag queen like the nice man reading books. Johnny has supportive parents who helps him achieve his goal. Johnny then becomes a drag queen who may or may not participate in 'drag culture' but who does dress up in outrageous women's costumes and do some level of public performances in costume. All because Johnny's parents took him to Drag Queen Story Hour.

                      Now, you and a bunch of other people may be utterly horrified by this story. But the only real question that matters is, should this scenario be *prohibited by the state* from occurring?

                    9. Chumby   2 years ago

                      Do you have statistics to back that scenario up?

                      At what age do you think it should be legal for you and Johnny to have a relationship?

                    10. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      BDSM is an explicit sexual practice but crossdressing is not.

                      There is a Ziggy Freud on line 3 for you, jeffy.

                    11. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                      I'm glad Jeff came out that he wants to die on the hill of drag queen story hour. No matter what else happens we can always ask him, if this is not essentially perverse, then what is? Cannibal story hour? Recovering child rapist story hour?

                    12. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      Maybe, what is ‘perverse’ is in the eye of the beholder, and should be up to individual parents to decide, as long as there is no violation of the NAP.

                      Did you know that right now, there are nudist camps where it is completely legal for kids and adults to run around completely naked? There’s a lot of them in Florida actually. Wonder why DeSantis hasn’t shut them down yet. Do you think this is ‘perverse’?

      5. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        I like how chemjeff’s actual position, namely that it shouldn’t be illegal for drag queens to read books to kids at the local public library and it should be parents decision whether their own kids attend or not, turns into: “Jeffy thinks men have to be in drag to read to little kids”

        Incredibly dishonest.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          What a terrible sea lion you are.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            I get it. As I read that, all that went through my mind was, "Arf, arf arf!"

            1. Chumby   2 years ago

              Mike the Sea Lion could be a great children’s book to teach kids about logic and rhetoric.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          Your reading comprehension is remarkably poor.

    5. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      In order
      Dnc operative
      Hunter
      Dnc operative
      A compleat hated of herself and others
      Because he's a pedofile

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Inflation fell to its lowest annual rate in more than two years during June

    We all owe Joe an apology.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Still super high but expect a Buttplug post on how this is hard evidence of Joe's fiscal acumen.

    2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      And he owes us several trillions.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Did we just establish an apology exchange rate?

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      Shoeless, yes. Brainless, not so much.

    4. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/KatTheHammer1/status/1679089502038507523?t=goYUmgoVJUUqhWSmfz2sDg&s=19

      Here's the true Bidenomics:

      Jan 2021 Biden's inauguration
      Cancels Keystone pipeline
      ???? Inflation rate = 1.4%

      March 2021
      Biden signs $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill.
      ???? Inflation rate 2.6%

      July 2021
      Democrats propose $3.9 trillion budget plan.
      ???? Inflation rate 5.4%

      November 2021
      Biden signs $1 trillion infrastructure package.
      ???? Inflation rate 6.8%

      March 2022
      Biden delivers first SOTU
      ???? Inflation rate 7.9%

      April 2022
      Announces student loan forgiveness
      ???? Inflation rate 8.3%

      May 2022
      Acknowledged baby formula supply problem
      ???? Inflation rate 8.6%
      And surged to 9.1% highest since 1981.

      My question how the fuck is this Trump's fault ?!

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        It not

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Please revise to include the retail prices of spittin tobacky.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Also rig count.

    5. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      In a month the numbers will be revised up and reason will forget the gov and NBC lie non stop

    6. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Okay. But don't we need some deflation to get our money back? Maybe Joe can work on that.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    It's also a testament to dynamism and "the regulatory nightmare of opening a restaurant..."

    I'm sure Chitown viewing voters will take that message to heart.

  5. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Next thing you know, they'll be saying that capital policeman wasn't beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.

    NARRATIVE SHIFT: Liberal media now refers to Jan 6 as ‘rallies,’ 'demonstrations,’ and ‘protests’ as they pivot to defend Ray Epps
    https://thepostmillennial.com/narrative-shift-liberal-media-now-refers-to-jan-6-as-rallies-demonstrations-and-protests-as-they-pivot-to-defend-ray-epps

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Everything Mike and sarc railed about turned out to be a lie, but zero acknowledgement from those two clowns.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Anderson Cooper just did an entire interview with Ray Epps' lawyer without once playing the multiple videos of him telling people to go into the Capitol on J6 and why the FBI hasn't arrested him for it like everyone else.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1679223287434420224?t=SsmhFVc9gwvT9Z5G3FpkmQ&s=19

        Ray Epps' lawyer comes straight from the bowels of the DNC-deep state swamp... he works for disgraced Dem hatchet man David Brock

        Brock and Epps bedfellows... you can't make this up!

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      What's really fucking hilarious about the Ray Epps situation is how a guy who was caught on video multiple times trying to incite people to bumrush the Capitol is now just a simple protestor who's being unfairly slagged.

      I guess 2.5 years was enough time for him and the FBI to sanitize their email and phone accounts of any communications, so Fox lawyers won't have anything left to find in discovery.

  6. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1678472966235889690
    .
    @JohnKerry
    argues problem w/ the war in Ukraine is not the hundreds of thousands of lives lost but the impact on "climate change"; "when you have bombs going off & you have damage to septic tanks or power centers, etc., you have an enormous release of greenhouse gas & methane"

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Every time he open his mouth, there is an enormous release of obnoxious gases.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Haven't gotten to the bottom yet but I'm going to declare that the preliminary thread winner.

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      The private jet that Kerry (D) uses to galavant around the globe emitted over 100 metric tons of carbon in just one year. He is a botched joke.

    3. Anomalous   2 years ago

      John Kerry would be dangerous if anyone took him seriously. Not much chance of that happening.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Unfortunately, our Idiocracy seems to take him seriously.

    4. R Mac   2 years ago

      Now do Nordstream.

  7. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Last night , sqrlsy said talking about ideas was just as dangerous as shooting a gun at someone.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      I support the rodent not attempting either.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

        Something to be said for him shooting off his mouth.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Sqrlsy is Eugene in Preacher?

          http://images.amcnetworks.com/amc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Preacher-Season-1-Eugene-Ian-Colletti-Portrait-700x1000.jpg

    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Where does he stand on bears in trunks?

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Well, for someone in his mental state, it might be.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    If Meta executives have their way, Threads will not be where people turn to debate policy issues, or catch up on local political developments and learn about breaking news that could affect their lives...

    Wait. They're not even going to make it a progressive circle jerk??? What's the point.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Data collection.

      1. Anomalous   2 years ago

        Exactly.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Welcome to the Twitter alternative where you can only talk about certain things!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        The ultra-echo effect.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      And OnlyFans, didn't want to be a porn site.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Every single fucking internet forum, even the ones that are mostly dedicated to hobby interests like automobiles, inevitably has politics emerge because politics is what drives our society.

      When you have the Democrats demanding that cars average 50 mpg by 2030, for example, you end up with vehicles that put in a lot of ultra-complicated twin-turbo and diesel crap that nominally get better gas mileage, at least in testing, but suffer from all kinds of mechanical issues on the back end because they're over-engineered to meet the requirements. So people end up bitching about their Ecoboost F-150 bricking out on the highway or getting shitty gas mileage on Ford forums, which leads to people bringing up that these engines are supposed to be designed to help Ford meet EPA fuel efficiency standards, which leads to the owners bitching about how much easier it was to work on trucks before the EPA got involved, which leads to some to whinge about "climate change" and how we need to burn less fuel.

      Anyone who actually believes Threads won't become a left-wing echo chamber is kidding themselves. This is probably how Zuck is planning to get the Feds off his back for not suppressing conservatives on Facebook and Instagram more often.

    5. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Cat photos!

  9. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Luckily we've never been lied to about a war so defense contractors can loot the treasury.

    https://twitter.com/MartyBent/status/1675492828623847424
    “We found $4.5B worth of payments from the US Agency for International Development to pay off Ukraine’s sovereign debt. Much of which is owned by the global investment firm BlackRock.”

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      "We found $4.5B worth of payments from the US Agency for International Development to pay off Ukraine’s sovereign debt. Much of which is owned by the global investment firm BlackRock.”

      Just a reminder that USAID, the agency referred to there, is the CIA. Hardly a surprise that the spooks are using Ukraine as a money-laundering operation for rad-left financiers like Larry Fink.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      See, ESG investing works!

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    New bipartisan crypto bill would "create a federal regulatory framework."

    The logical crypto trajectory.

  11. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Illegal immigrant takes a break from running a delicious food truck to drug and rape young boys.

    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1679221114105475073

    BREAKING: Homeland Security has now confirmed that soccer coach Camilo Campos was an illegal immigrant. He was jailed after a Franklin, TN pizza shop employee found his phone filled with videos of Campos raping kids. He had at least 10 victims and that list is likely to grow.

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/Ocskigal1/status/1679274087879770113

      The Guardian seems to have forgotten about their very own 2018 report detailing rampant child sex trafficking in Colombia
      Today they labeled Sound of Freedom, which highlights a mission to rescue sex-trafficked children in Colombia, a “QAnon-adjacent” “paranoid new movie”.

      1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1678434375493648384

        BREAKING: New doc reveals FBI verified in 2019-20 Hunter laptop was real from "financial records," "phone records" & "iCloud account" & that no files were "fabricated" --putting the lie to Hunter lawyer Abbe Lowell's June 30 claims that laptop "not authentic" & info "manipulated"

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Don't worry. DOJ is working on removing the evidence of child sex trafficking.

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/doj-erases-child-sex-trafficking-information-website

    2. Anomalous   2 years ago

      Two words: General Population.

      1. Illocust   2 years ago

        While it's a comforting myth. It doesn't actually happen to any significant degree.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Well, then, let's post some rewards.

        2. THX1138   2 years ago

          Larry Nasser just got stabbed...

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/larry-nassar-stabbed-after-allegedly-making-comment-on-women-while-watching-wimbledon/ar-AA1dOJOb

          "Nassar, who was convicted of sexually assaulting U.S. gymnastics team members, allegedly said to other inmates on Sunday, "I wish there were girls playing," according to sources.

          That comment, according to sources, led a fellow inmate to go to Nassar's cell later in the day and stab him at least six times with a manufactured weapon, according to sources."

    3. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      Soccer, huh?

      Well even if that terrible story is true, Koch-funded libertarians tell me the US needs open borders because Morocco overperformed in the World Cup.

      #CheapLaborAboveAll

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        And then there's that other elephant in the room that no one wants to confront, the devastating life guard shortage.

    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      One illegal immigrant committed a violent crime. Therefore all illegal immigrants are murderers and rapists and should be deported.

      One drag queen was a registered sex offender. Therefore all drag queens are groomer pedophiles and should be kept away from kids.

      When will you realize that these stories in right-wing media that highlight and accentuate the crimes of individuals, are meant only to inflame and stoke anger about the entire class of people?

      THEY DO THIS ON PURPOSE you know. They use anecdotes to push a policy agenda that is not supported by the aggregate data. MOST illegal immigrants are not violent criminals. So the only way that they can get people to turn on illegal immigrants as not "hardworking people wanting a better life", but as "violent dangerous thugs", is to commit this fallacy of generalization above by prioritizing anecdote over data.

      And you all are either gullible morons who fall for this deception, or are willing participants happy to push a lie if it means getting your way.

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        When sarc swings by, he should use the above example of what a straw man actually looks like.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Gotta wonder, a) how much of a hangover he’ll have from yesterday, and b) if he remembers yesterday and his drunken fog.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            He didnt even remember his own arguments 2 hours later yesterday.

      2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        Why do men have to dress like women to read to little kids?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Democracy?

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          Kids that are not exposed to drag shows commit suicide in astonishing percentages. It is known. Your choice is kids jamming dollars into some dude's panties or a library full of dead kids. Is that what you want?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            They also might vote for Trump if not "normalized".

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Maybe he should have had his liberty decreased so he couldn't rape little kids here.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago (edited)

          chemjeff radical individualist 55 mins ago Flag Comment Mute User

          Why the fuck not?

          They don’t need to justify the exercise of their liberty to you.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            I love how you clearly don't understand how liberty even works and you think that this is some sort of gotcha.

            1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              He was just a misguided soul who wanted to promote the interests of his group while sharing the joy of soccer with kids.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          Maybe you should try making an argument instead of just trolling.

          Do you want to talk about asylum? Because I am happy to talk about asylum. Mostly because your position on asylum reveals you to be a cruel authoritarian asshole.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Maybe you should try making an argument instead of just trolling.

            You're the one who made the stupid argument.

            Do you want to talk about asylum? Because I am happy to talk about asylum. Mostly because your position on asylum reveals you to be a cruel authoritarian asshole.

            chemtard radical deathfat thinks not wanting more child molesters to claim asylum in the US is cruel and authoritarian.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Fine.

              My argument is and always has been, that judging claims of asylum should be based overwhelmingly on the actions of the OPPRESSOR, and very little if any weight should be given to the actions of the OPPRESSED.

              An oppressive tyrant is oppressive regardless if he is oppressing a saint or a sinner. To judge the oppression in a different light depending on whether the oppressed was a sinner or a saint is to mitigate the evils of the oppression as being 'not so bad' as long as the 'bad people' are the ones being oppressed.

              So to make claims like 'child molesters shouldn't be considered for claims of asylum', as you have, is to justify the oppression of the 'bad people' by the cruel tyrants. Because ultimately you don't give a shit if the child molesters are oppressed or not. You'd rather see them summarily executed anyway, most likely.

              And this is where libertarians differ from authoritarian conservatives such as yourself. Libertarians are willing to stick their necks out and defend the rights and liberty of all people, even those who may not 'deserve' it on some karmic level. That includes Nazis, child molesters, you name it. Authoritarian conservatives like you, on the other hand, tend to judge liberty based on moral worth. Child molesters by their actions have ceded any claim to liberty therefore who gives a shit if tyrants or anyone else oppresses them.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                So libertarians belive child molesters shouldn't be punished because that would be a violation of their liberty? That keeping them from hurting more kids is oppression?

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                  judging claims of asylum should be based overwhelmingly on the actions of the OPPRESSOR, and very little if any weight should be given to the actions of the OPPRESSED.

                  jeffy was one of those kids that other kids never wanted to play with because he was always trying to change the rules so he could win. He coped by convincing himself they wouldn’t let him play because they were bullies.

                  "Vetting immigrants is evil. You can’t justify excluding some people while allowing others to play kickball... um, I mean obtain work visas."

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Are you high? What about my argument was unclear?

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  No, child molesters should be duly punished for their crimes.

                  But all individuals who are oppressed, including child molesters, deserve to have their claims heard.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

                An oppressive tyrant is oppressive regardless if he is oppressing a saint or a sinner.

                This is just moral relativism and fits right in with your support for child molesters.

                The rest of your post is just a bunch of pointless rhetorical handwaving with no substance. Because there's nothing "cruel" about "oppressing" child molesters--and you're only making the argument that it is oppressive because you're a pederast.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Because there’s nothing “cruel” about “oppressing” child molesters

                  Yes there is. For example, torture is just as wrong if it is applied to saints as if it applied to sinners.

                  That you think there is nothing wrong with oppressing child molesters only reinforces my point. That you view liberty as a privilege that is earned by good moral behavior. Child molesters have engaged in bad moral behavior therefore they have lost all claim to liberty therefore they have no basis to complain about oppression or torture or anything else that is done to them.

                  Natural rights are inherent to all. They are the birthright of all humankind. Everyone has them, including the worst child molester and the best saint that ever lived. You don't agree, which makes you an authoritarian asshole and not a libertarian, so I question why you are even here in the first place.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  And the entire rest of your garbage is just slander.

                  I am not a pederast, I do not support child molestation.

                  Child molesters of course should be punished for their crimes. But neither child molesters nor anyone else deserve to be tortured or oppressed.

                  You are the one applying a standard of moral relativism, that one's liberty depends on one's relative moral standing. That is wrong and unlibertarian in the extreme.

            2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

              Now we understand his obsession with DQSH.

    5. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      "Illegal immigrant takes a break from running a delicious food truck to drug and rape young boys."
      This is clearly due the pervasive and insidious over regulation of food trucks. If he was free to engage in commerce without the heavy hand of local politicians crushing his dream, he could have drugged and raped those kids right on the truck during his lunch break.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Steep drop in confidence in higher education.

    They've seen the competence of the current college educated on full display over the past four years.

  13. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Our betters.....

    Environmental activist Leonardo DiCaprio: Helicopter from yacht to dinner | Entertainment
    https://time.news/environmental-activist-leonardo-dicaprio-helicopter-from-yacht-to-dinner-entertainment/

    ...Leo’s €174 million yacht even has its own helipad

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      Some animals are more equal than others.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        But can we still cheer if his helicopter crashes?

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Drag queen animals are most equal.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Leo does his part by dumping older broads in favor of younger, more energy efficient women.

    3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      He may be a hypocrite but for a pumpkin head environmentalist it sure gets him laid a lot.

  14. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/NameRedacted247/status/1607539875712217089

    1. Google currently employs at least 165 people, in high-ranking positions, from the Intelligence Community.

    Google’s Trust & Safety team is managed by 3 ex-CIA agents, who control “misinfo & hate speech.”

    Here’s the breakdown:
    CIA-27
    FBI-52
    NSA-30
    DHS-50
    ODNI-6

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Gives a new meaning to "Alphabet", eh?

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "The deep state isn't real" - Mike

      1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

        Sooo...... Corporations give high paying jobs with massive social control to govt agents and the govt lets them violate antitrust laws and gives them section 230 protection.

        totes constitutional

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          PPP for the win!

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        Do any of them have Deep State ID badges?

        — also Mike

    3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      "ex"-CIA

  15. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/1679109032500510722

    The Left is in an interesting place with Muslims right now. They really didn't expect Muslims to stand so firmly against the groomers. After their experiences with Christians and Jews over the past 50 years, the Left didn't think anyone was willing to fight for their beliefs.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      They saw all those videos of Muslims beheading Christians in the early 2000s, and got all excited thinking that they were going to import the demise of Western Christianity. They didn't understand that the Muslims would find them far more repellent than Evangelicals.

      The coming Muslim/Evangelical Catholic/Hindu alliances are going really scare the shit out of the woke.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        The coming Muslim/Evangelical Catholic/Hindu alliances are going really scare the shit out of the woke.

        This is a big reason why the political realignment will likely see the GOP move towards a platform of economic liberalism and social conservatism. The former will be promoted as a means for communities to take care of one another, while the latter means that those same communities can ensure that the neo-marxists won't be allowed to convince your kids that any "uncomfortable feelings" during puberty means they are really the opposite sex and that they should have their sexual organs removed.

        The left will likely triple down on its "white people are evil and you should want to see them dead" policy in response.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Also, we'll see if the atheist left's will to power is really that much stronger than the Muslims' historic determinism that everyone will eventually submit to Islam.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Sounds like libertarians are fucked.

            1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

              We always were.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                True freedoms grant no advantage to one individual or group over others. Freedom should be the aim of politics, but in reality is the antithesis.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        The coming Muslim/Evangelical Catholic/Hindu alliances are going really scare the shit out of the woke.

        Whatever they think or do about the Woke, I don't brighten any of their doors, so they better not darken mine with their atavistic, backwater, Mideaval thuggery or Ecumenical Hell-raising awaits.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Yet their last and greatest Prophet Muhammed (Peanut Butter Und Herring) was a Pedophile Groomer himself. Guess they skipped that part in their holy writ.

  16. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    non partisan charity

    https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1678790640304369664

    Top Democratic Operatives Were Quietly Pulling the Strings at a Voting Rights Group. Lawyers Say They May Have Broken the Law.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Bet they were funded by government grants.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Forced to sign up with Twitter to see links. Molly is the first person I'm following.

  17. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08164649.2020.1811952

    This introduction to the Queer Death Studies special issue explores an emerging transdisciplinary field of research. This field critically, (self-)reflexively and affirmatively investigates and challenges conventional normativities, assumptions, expectations, and regimes of truths that are brought to life and made evident by current planetary scale necropolitics and its framing of death, dying and mourning in the contemporary world. It is set against the background of traditional engagements with the question of death, often grounded in Western hegemonic and normative ideas of dying, dead and mourning subjects and bodies, on the one hand; and on the other contemporary discourses on human and nonhuman death and extinction, directly linked to the environmental crisis, capitalist and post/colonial extractivist necropolitics, material and symbolic violence, oppression and inequalities, and socio-economic, political and ecological unsustainabilities. By bringing together conceptual and analytical tools grounded in feminist materialisms and feminist theorising broadly speaking, queer theory and decolonial critique, the contributions in this special issue strive to advance queerfeminist methodologies and ontological, ethical and political understandings that critically and creatively attend to the problem of death, dying and mourning in the current environmental, cultural, and socio-political contexts.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Needz moar buzzwords.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Real, or another clever Pluckrose-Lindsay fake?

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      The words appear to be English, but the sentences do not seem to mean anything, despite being absurdly verbose.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        So a jeff post?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          My thoughts as well.

      2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        Sounds like a Heels Up Harris speech = The words appear to be English, but the sentences do not seem to mean anything, despite being absurdly verbose.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        The individual words are indeed English. But as a group they appear to be a previously unknown esoteric nomenclature divorced from the common language. Hopefully those interested in this class will be offered a prerequisite wherein they can figure out what the fuck these assholes are talking about.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Not much to study, when a queer dies the world becomes better

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Hi, Rev. Phelps.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      This is just a bullshit word salad of pretentiousness, but don't get complacent with the idea that this is so esoteric that it will never get mainstreamed. In about 10-20 years, you'll see this same language crop up in corporate press releases if you don't actively suppress it as a cultural force.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        But totes not in K-5.

  18. Illocust   2 years ago

    Now see that is the first thing I've heard about threads that had made me interested. I don't want another social media site dedicated to politics. I left Facebook because it stopped being family and friends photos and updates on their lives and became politics all the time.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Amen

  19. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

    Next COD game should have a "No FTC" level.

  20. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1679490221728227334

    lol are they implying that Fox is correct that Epps was either an informant or law enforcement officer with a legitimate task?

    Does this mean their only complaint is the implications of a false flag?

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      I'm suing you because the govt filed criminal charges against me.

      Ray Epps To Be Criminally Charged For Role In January 6th, Blames Tucker
      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ray-epps-be-criminally-charged-over-role-january-6th-blames-tucker

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Don't believe it. Apparently filed in March and he still isn't in jail unlike the other J6 protestors.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          To expand. One of the theories is he was charged to avoid testifying on other trials abd lawsuits around J6. He will not see a single day in jail.

    2. Illocust   2 years ago

      Fox will probably settle. They're trying to gain more acceptance on the left lately, and fighting this would no go over well for that goal. I wonder if discovery could sort this out though.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        They will definitely settle.
        "BuT dIsCoVeRy ShOuLd Be InTeReStInG"
        It'll never get to discovery. Epps knows this. Fox knows this. The deep state knows this. How do they know? Because they're all on the same team.
        Fox won't really lose any money. It's a simple shuffling around of funds that are all controlled by the same people.
        It's an act. Fox's role in this play is to represent "conservative" media proving/admitting that the state skeptical story is false.
        I don't know how anybody thinks Fox is separate from the rest of the media propaganda complex.
        FoxNews displayed covid daily case/death numbers on screen at all times in 2020. They sold the "pandemic" as hard as anybody. They gave unjustified credence to the Russia hoax. They played up police "brutality" and "systemic racism". They called Arizona for Biden with 1% reported, while waiting to call Florida despite it being locked up with 90% in. They never talked about the statistical inconsistencies. And they took the State line on Jan 6.
        So Fox will settle because Fox wants to settle and further defame the right.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          It’s an act. Fox’s role in this play is to represent “conservative” media proving/admitting that the state skeptical story is false.

          Yeah, it's pretty obvious at this point that most of this is kayfabe to keep the legitimacy of the establishment intact.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Meanwhile, the WSJ gets more like USA Today with each issue. The latest is a fright-meme series on lead, apparently written by future class-action lawyers.

  21. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    I love the way we no longer consider whether an activity should be regulated by the federal government, just which department gets to expand to control the population.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      People are getting injured playing pickle ball! We need regulations!
      /jeff

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        What is wrong with male pickleball instructors dressing in drag and gyrating in front the kids they are coaching?
        /jeff

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          We need a morality police to enforce proper pickleball standards when kids are involved.
          /half the Reason commenters

          1. Chumby   2 years ago

            Why did the private pickleball club kick me out? Just because I was wearing only a thong and bra? Because I kept calling the game lickleball in front of eight-year olds? Those pelvic thrust in front of the young boys were me stretching. I had an erection; is that a crime? This club needs to be taken over by the government to prevent this discrimination. I have the right to so this in front of kids dammit! Those bigots better provide an explanation.
            /groomer jeff

  22. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    Some of the bill's provisions certainly could have positive and protective effects for consumers. Or they could be time- and resource-wasting bureaucratic nonsense that would, at worse, give the government more leeway to play gotcha with crypto businesses and invade the privacy of crypto users.

    My money's on the latter. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the entire point.

  23. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Uh-oh. Expect Team Red legislatures in a dozen states to call a special session immediately to ban this.

    FDA Approves First Nonprescription Daily Oral Contraceptive

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-nonprescription-daily-oral-contraceptive

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      “Team red” has been pushing this. You are wrong.

    2. Illocust   2 years ago (edited)

      You forget that over the counter is a team red goal. Team blue wants other people to pay for birth control and can’t force that issue if a over the counter version exists.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        One of the primary funding mechanics of PP. The left has always voted against it.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          What, and give up a useful political issue?

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        He doesn’t forget. He lies.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Why do men have to dress like women to read to little kids?

    4. mulched   2 years ago

      Why dafuq are you drinking so early? Republicans have been pushing for OTC contraceptives for years, and PP and Democrats have opposed it.

      https://reason.com/2019/01/16/deregulate-the-pill/

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Gosh, why would a self-proclaimed "anti-rightist" like chemtard claim that the GOP would oppose OTC birth control when they've been promoting it for years now in the face of Democrat opposition?

    5. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Um, dumbass, it was the "red" legislatures pushing for this. Republicans have had OTC contraceptives in the plank for years, if not a couple of decades. It's Team Blue that doesn't want this as they want everyone who gets them to go through Planned Parenthood, and thus pay Planned Parenthood for the privilege.

    6. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      What a fucktard embarrassment.
      TOTALLY not a Leftist simp, either

    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Hey chemtard, you do realize Republican legislators were promoting this as far back as nine years, ago, right?

      Look up "Cory Gardner" and "over the counter birth control," and then let the rest of the commentariat note your anti-right tribalism.

    8. R Mac   2 years ago

      That went well, Lying Jeffy.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Jeffy is rather good at launching lead balloons.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        I like how Mike is uptrend defending Jeff's argument but noticeably quiet about Jeff's lie here.

        Quite dishonest as Mike says.

  24. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      You still here?

  25. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Powerball Jackpot grows to $875 million:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/13/us/powerball-drawing-wednesday-no-winner/index.html

    Interesting question: Would it be a legitimate role for a libertarian government to run a lottery like Powerball?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      No

    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Why do men have to dress like women to read to little kids?

    3. R Mac   2 years ago

      No.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      I would say legitimate as far as the non-aggression principle. It’s a non-coercive way to raise money.

      However, ethics goes beyond libertarianism. It would be ethical only if promoted as “hey, this is a fundraiser and you are not likely to win anything.” If they heavily promote the possibility of winning it is borderline fraud preying on people who are bad at math.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        It is coercive in that they enforce a monopoly on lottery games.

        If they were just offering one of many competing lottery games that would be different.

  26. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    I have an alibi

    Strip poker: Long Island man slugs one-legged man, ‘flaunts genitalia’ at Las Vegas casino, cops say
    https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/long-island-man-busted-for-flaunting-genitalia-at-las-vegas-casino/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      One-legged man vs. three-legged man?

    2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      That is pretty fucked up....he must be a) mentally disturbed, or b) taking a dare, or c) is jeffwannabestatist's cousin.

    3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Long Island man slugs one-legged man, ‘flaunts genitalia’ at Las Vegas casino, cops say

      He should have been wearing a dress and at a public library. Then it would be fine.

  27. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    FDA approves first over-the-counter birth control pill

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/13/health/fda-otc-birth-control-opill/index.html

    Conservative pants-shitting to begin immediately.

    BAN IT!

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Hey Jeff tried the same lie. Leftist talking points are out.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Amazing coincidence I’m sure.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Really, you too, idiot pedo? What did you and Jeffy get, the ActBlue newsletter this morning with its talking points?

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
      turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Uh, a former Republican Senator, Cory Gardner, introduced actual legislation to make birth control pills an over the counter medication, and it resulted in freakouts by your side that these decisions could only be made by the woman and her physician--after previously supporting over the counter birth control.

      What changed? A Republican advocated for it, so they automatically went in the other direction. Let's flash back to September 2014:

      "WASHINGTON | When a handful of Republican Senate candidates called for oral contraceptives to be sold without a prescription, Democrats cried foul.

      Republicans still want to repeal “Obamacare,” they said, and insurers generally don’t pay for over-the-counter products. Women would end up paying more for over-the-counter contraceptives than they would under the free, mandatory coverage provided under President Barack Obama’s 2010 health law, Democrats said."

      Gee, I wonder why your side suddenly isn't concerned about paying more for birth control pills anymore?

    5. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      all lefties have these fever-dream caricatures of conservatives that are hilarious when they articulate it.

  28. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Reminder for you RFK fans: He thinks that chemicals in the water are making kids gay.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/13/politics/robert-kennedy-jr-chemicals-water-children-frogs/index.html

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Why do men have to dress like women to read to little kids?

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Typical democrat, full of crazy ideas.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        CNN is lying as usual and so is Jeff.

        He said there are chemicals being released into waste water ways that act as endocrine disruptors. Chemicals which interfere with the body’s hormones and endocrine system. For example some endocrine disruptors work like estrogen, while others inhibit testosterone.

        Frogs, which rely on chemical signals to induce mating behavior can be confused by some types of chemicals in the water and think they're courting a female.

        But Jeff and CNN: "Hurr durr, he finks that chemicals in the water are mAKinG KiDs gaY."

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      chemtard radical deathfat can't really identify actual RFK fans, he's just indulging in his anti-right signaling. Much like his claim that anyone who won't take coof shots thinks Joe Rogan is a medical expert.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        You can begin with Diane (Paul) and Mother's Lament who have publicly expressed support for RFK in this forum.

        RFK was invited to speak at PorcFest, a libertarian forum in New Hampshire.

        He has a libertarian following whether you wish to admit it or not.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          You can begin with Diane (Paul) and Mother’s Lament who have publicly expressed support for RFK in this forum.

          What, by noting that he said a few things that they agree with?

          Oh, that's right, you're a "non-tribalist" who gleefully marinates in tribalism because those two don't share your anti-right sentiments.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            IIRC, Diane(Paul) said that RFK is his leading candidate, and ML stated that RFK is either his #1 or #2 choice right now. It is more than just "he said a few things I like". Maybe you should educate yourself a little bit more.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              Oooh! Two guys said maybe, so everyone is totally on board!
              /jeff

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              IIRC, Diane(Paul) said that RFK is his leading candidate, and ML stated that RFK is either his #1 or #2 choice right now.

              Given your poasting career, I highly doubt it.

              It is more than just “he said a few things I like”. Maybe you should educate yourself a little bit more.

              Funny how you screech like a banshee when your actual words are quoted back at you.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Jeff is in fact lying here. ML only discussed two aspects of RFKs interviews showing no support. But since he doesn't just blindly push leftist narratives against him, Jeff calls it support.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Given the main thread on RFK is only a couple of days old, the fat fuck should know better than to pull that kind of bullshit. At least wait a couple of months so it gets harder to actually cross-check what they said.

                  1. R Mac   2 years ago

                    Lying Jeffy will lie about what people said in the same damn thread.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Here you go

                From Diane/Paul:

                https://reason.com/podcast/2023/06/30/robert-f-kennedy-jr-covid-ukraine-bitcoin-guns-free-speech-and-more/?comments=true#comment-10133862

                From my own perspective, as RFK Jr is very possibly a candidate that will get my vote in 2024, I think that he should be hammered on all contentious issues...

                From ML

                https://reason.com/podcast/2023/06/30/robert-f-kennedy-jr-covid-ukraine-bitcoin-guns-free-speech-and-more/?comments=true#comment-10133902

                I never thought that I’d support a Democrat, a Kennedy and a global warmist, but he’s looking like the best choice out of both sides of the aisle.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  From my own perspective, as RFK Jr is very possibly a candidate that will get my vote in 2024, I think that he should be hammered on all contentious issues…

                  So, not actually a "leading candidate," but "very possibly" one that could get his vote. Followed by:

                  "I think that he should be hammered on all contentious issues, and I don’t believe in soft-balling politicians. For instance, I think he should be hammered relentlessly on his quip about jailing climate deniers."

                  I never thought that I’d support a Democrat, a Kennedy and a global warmist, but he’s looking like the best choice out of both sides of the aisle.

                  Followed by:
                  "I really, really want to like DeSantis but I think I see a little bit of establishment neocon in him, and sometimes it feels like he’s just playing the role of an anti-establishmentarian."

                  Gee, I wonder why you left those parts out.

            3. R Mac   2 years ago

              Lying Jeffy caught spouting tribalism again.

  29. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Aborto-Freaks get their ban-hammer hard-on tuned up for fight:

    What’s wrong with contraception?
    A lot, actually — here are 8 reasons that contraception should be avoided:
    .
    Contraception kills babies. Oral contraceptives that contain synthetic estrogen and progestins change the endometrium, preventing implantation of the embryo, according to the Physician’s Desk Reference. So this in effect kills a new human being.
    Contraception decreases chances of ever getting pregnant. Many woman use contraception to prevent getting pregnant at one time in their life, while hoping to eventually get pregnant later.
    Contraception causes cancer. The World Health Organization lists the pill (estrogen/progestin) as a Group I cancer causing agent. To put that in perspective, other Group I carcinogens include benzene, herbicides, asbestos, mustard gas and formaldehyde.
    Contraception causes depression and reduced sexual function. Women who use hormonal contraception report higher rates of depression and reduced sexual functioning.

    https://pulseforlife.org/why-not-contracept/

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      Are the “Aborto-Freaks” the ones who like to kill babies or the ones who don’t?

      Also, do you know what the differences are between Catholics and Evangelicals on contraception, Shrike?

      Monty Python could explain it to you.

  30. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    "In April, Idaho lawmakers passed legislation requiring any person under 18 to get permission from a parent or guardian before traveling out of state to get an abortion,"

    WHERE IS THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL IN THE CONSUTITION?

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Pedophiles always want to make it legal to transport other peoples kids across state lines. It is weird.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

        OK, let’s compromise. Only men in drag are allowed to traffic kids across borders, and only if they read books to the kids.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      For a medical procedure? Kids need parental permission to get pretty much anything above a bandage, so why do you think they don't for this, and Jeffy doesn't for sex-changes?

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
      turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

    4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      are children free to travel without parental involvement? If not why not?

  31. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Success story for Team Red:
    School district bans 'controversial' song (meaning: a song that might make conservatives upset) and fires the teacher who objected.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsin-teacher-criticized-decision-ban-rainbowland-performance-fire-rcna93686

    Students will only have either bland inoffensive content, or content that appeals to their right-wing constituency. Ideas that challenge the conservative status quo are hereby forbidden.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago (edited)

      “Schools must be awash in sexually explicit materials” /Jeff

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Funny how "leave things to local control" goes out the window for the self-proclaimed anti-rightist when local control decides to prevent left-wing entryism.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        And you can point to where I said the federal government should force this school board to change its decision? No.

        They have the authority to make wrong decisions, of course.

        But you know this, and you are just trolling. You just want to bring in that "anti-rightist" smear one more time, don't you? You bet I'm "anti-rightist". I'm also "anti-leftist". You always seem to leave that one out.

        Why are you "pro-rightist"?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          And you can point to where I said the federal government should force this school board to change its decision? No.

          Trying to change the subject doesn't change the fact that you're indulging in your tribalism again despite claiming up and down that you're not a tribalist.

          You bet I’m “anti-rightist”. I’m also “anti-leftist”. You always seem to leave that one out.

          Probably because you've never openly stated the latter.

          Why are you “pro-rightist”?

          Because you're "anti-rightist."

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            So you're a reactionary moron. Got it.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              The anti-rightist hates it when his tribalism is thrown back in his face.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            No, he lies like shrike. He will claim to be anti leftist as he fervently defends them.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Notice how he calls me a "reactionary moron" while sperging about "Team Red" constantly--to the point that he thinks Republicans won't support OTC birth control despite their own elected representatives supporting it and Democrats arguing against it when the Republicans proposed it.

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                If he’s posting, he’s lying.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  I suspect it's due primarily to the fact that he's powerleveled that he lives in a small-town, red voting area, and while the people who live there clearly repulse him, it's far too safe and affordable there to relocate to an area with more sympathetic blue people.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Any grooming that can take place, must take place.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        Yes of course. Singing "Rainbowland" is grooming now.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          questionable appropriateness for first graders means not for first graders, yes. it's not a debate.

  32. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Manufacturing Boom Backlash - WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' JOBS! FUCK BIDENOMICS!

    MARSHALL, Michigan, July 10 (Reuters) - Fred Chapman has a message for Ford Motor Co (F.N), which is planning to build a sprawling factory on the outskirts of this town to make batteries for electric cars and which promises to employ 2,500 people.
    .
    “We don’t need jobs,” he says.
    .
    That’s a surprising view coming from Chapman, a 62-year-old toolmaker who has spent his whole career in manufacturing and watched, over the decades, as factory after factory in the region shut down, including one in Marshall that made auto parts where Chapman worked for nearly a decade. He now commutes to a factory job in a nearby city.

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/new-twist-nimby-no-factory-my-backyard-2023-07-10/

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      AOC didn’t want Amazon in New York.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Who cares? AOC is hot.

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Don't forget that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Ever hear of not sticking your dick in stupid? Of course, what am I sayIng? I’m already telling this to the stupid pedo.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  33. Sevo   2 years ago

    Even the director admits the FBI has an evil twin:

    "FBI Director Chris Wray defends the 'real FBI' against criticism from House Republicans"
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/fbi-director-set-clash-republicans-trump-case-hunter-101128948

    1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      I don't know why a House committee chairman, hearing his (Wray) bullshit testimony, doesn't instruct the Sergeant at Arms to conduct Wray to the basement jail in the Capitol building for contempt of Congress.

      Until these elitist assholes have hands laid upon them, they are immune. Make them spend time in confinement, the tune will change.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        I’ve said the same thing about judges being lied to by them repeatedly. The fact that they won’t is telling.

  34. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    The lesser of two evils is an evil. The courts should immediately restrain the SEC from "regulating by enforcement" and sweeping new regulatory laws should be defeated in Congress. If the long-term trend of leaving no human activity unregulated is not slowed soon and eventually reversed the long-term trend of human divorce from our government will not be improved and there will be a reckoning!

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "FREE MINDS
    Steep drop in confidence in higher education."

    Yes, right now nothing would free more minds than diminishing the impact of higher education. And maybe most industrial education.

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    ' Meta doesn't want Threads to be the new Twitter. "If Meta executives have their way, Threads will not be where people turn to debate policy issues, or catch up on local political developments and learn about breaking news that could affect their lives," reports NPR.'

    Right. Threads will be the semi-official distributor of government-media propaganda and daily talking points.

  37. Dillinger   2 years ago

    is crypto still a thing?

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      >>You can find the full Lummis-Gillibrand bill here.

      ah. the Gillibrand name is not one to trust.

  38. raspberrydinners   2 years ago

    Wonder how much they got paid to put this shit out there.

    Crypto is a scam and absolutely unusable as a currency.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      So don’t buy any.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        Raspy is an angry little bitch who likes to complain about what other people do.

  39. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>By banning the vast majority of abortions in Iowa, the Act

    makes Iowans go to Illinois to kill their babies. the horror.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Wait, if this bill bans the "vast majority" of abortion in Iowa, at what stage of pregnancy are most of these actually taking place?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        guess they gotta get to PP before the heart beats now?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Guess it's a good thing the FDA finally signed off on the "Team Red"-supported initiative to make OTC birth control available, eh?

  40. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Threads will not be where people turn to debate policy issues ...

    then why is it necessary?

  41. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Some of the bill's provisions certainly could have positive and protective effects for consumers. Or they could be time- and resource-wasting bureaucratic nonsense that would, at worse, give the government more leeway to play gotcha with crypto businesses and invade the privacy of crypto users.

    It will be one hell of a mind-bending irony if regulation is what gets crypto accepted into the mainstream and used more regularly as a currency on its own.

  42. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

    Oh, boy! Lucky me, I’m stuck at LAX for the next five hours (at least), so plenty of time for the commentariat today!

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      I met Charo @LAX she was a hoot.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        That would be a hoot.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Oooochie-Kooochie! 🙂

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Cite?

    3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      My condolences to the travelers stuck with you.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        God. I didn't even think about those poor victims.

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        That lady going around Twitter yelling that someone on the plane isn’t a real person? She was yelling at Dee.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Lol.

    4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      An hour later, posts nothing.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      That gives you plenty of time to head out onto the streets and experience Libertarianism Plus!

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Aren’t you from Seattle? I can see where L.A. would feel libertarian to you.

    6. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      I feel sorry for your fellow travelers that they're stuck there with you. How about you go through security a few times and play with the TSA.

    7. Chumby   2 years ago

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