The Green Police Are Coming for New York Pizza
Environmental activists expect us to modify our lifestyles to meet their priorities.

When I lived in New York City my favorite pizzeria was Arturo's, on Houston Street. Coal–fired ovens made for a charred crust you could use to sop up sauce from an order of mussels. But joints like that are at risk as the city's environmental regulators propose mandatory 75 percent reductions in emissions by restaurants that use traditional fuels in their cooking and baking—a goal many restaurant owners consider unachievable. The rule isn't finalized, and it contains caveats that savvy business owners could use as a lifeline. But it's the latest sign that environmental activists expect us to modify our lifestyles to meet their green priorities.
"The Department of Environmental Protection (DEP or the Department) is promulgating rules that would establish requirements for control devices to reduce emissions from cook stoves at restaurants in existence prior to May 6, 2016," reads the city regulatory agency's announcement of a July 27 public hearing. "The proposed rule provides that the operators of cook stoves that were installed prior to May 6, 2016 must hire a professional engineer or registered architect to assess the feasibility of installing emission controls on the cook stove to achieve a 75% reduction in particulate emissions. If this assessment concludes that a reduction of 75% or more cannot be achieved, or that no emissions controls can be installed, the assessment must identify any emission controls that could provide a reduction of at least 25% or an explanation for why no emission controls can be installed."
The rule also specifies that "Cook stove means any wood fired or anthracite coal fired appliance used [primarily for cooking food for onsite consumption at a food service establishment…] for the preparation of food intended for onsite consumption or retail purchase."
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War on Pizza
To most people, this sounds annoying and intrusive if very particular to old-school cookery. To New Yorkers in particular, though, it's a declaration of war against pizza.
"If you fuck around with the temperature in the oven you change the taste. That pipe, that chimney, it's that size to create the perfect updraft, keeps the temp perfect, it's an art as much as a science. You take away the char, the thing that makes the pizza taste great, you kill it," an anonymous restaurant owner who relies on a coal–fired oven told the New York Post.
The allowance in the proposed rule for feasibility assessments means that existing restaurants might escape enforcement. That's a potential lifesaver, since $20,000 plus ongoing maintenance costs is the price tag for compliance cited by at least two restaurateurs. Businesses will have to shoulder all expenses for meeting the requirements of the proposed rule.
"You know how many pizzas I have to sell to pay for that $20,000 oven?" pizzeria owner Joe Calcagno complained to CBS News.
Ovens installed since 2016 are already subject to restrictive rules, meaning that you're unlikely to see traditional fuels used in new installations. That means existing restaurants with wood– and coal–fired ovens will be it, dwindling in number as the years pass with inevitable attrition.
If this sounds familiar, that's because demands that we all change the way we live our lives, our preferences be damned, have become increasingly common.
Your Gas Stove is Next
"In May, the Democrat-controlled New York State Legislature and Gov. Kathy Hochul inked a $229 billion state budget agreement that included a ban on residential gas stoves. By 2029, only electric ranges will be allowed in new residences," Reason's Christian Britschgi reports in the August/September issue. "The policy is similar to bans imposed by local governments in places such as New York City and California. Advocates say those laws help curtail climate change by reducing natural gas consumption and protect people's health by reducing in-home emissions."
This comes after huffy initial denials that anybody wanted to ban popular gas stoves, which are preferred by many chefs as well as home cooks for their quick and reliable heat. Sixty-nine percent of respondents to a recent Harvard CAPS Harris poll opposed "governmental rules that would virtually eliminate gas stoves from kitchens." Then there's the bypassed discussion about the wisdom of eliminating alternatives to electric appliances and expanding reliance on a power grid that's already overburdened and rickety.
"The U.S. power system is faltering just as millions of Americans are becoming more dependent on it—not just to light their homes, but increasingly to work remotely, charge their phones and cars, and cook their food—as more modern conveniences become electrified," The Wall Street Journal warned last year.
But politicians pretty quickly went from denying that gas bans were in the works to embracing them and insisting that they're a great idea.
"There are clean energy alternatives," New York Governor Kathy Hochul said in May after her state banned natural gas in new buildings starting in 2026. "It's going to take time and I want to make sure that New Yorkers don't get hit hard for the costs, so we're going to roll this out. But new buildings that are going up, they can go electric, they can do heat pumps."
Take a Vacation While You Can
By the same token, travelers enjoying flights to tourist destinations after the disruptions of the pandemic might want to enjoy their trips while they can. "Sustainability" is the hot topic at this year's Paris Air Show, which means non-stop discussions about reducing the environmental impact of travel. That means conversations about increased efficiency and new fuels, but that's not enough for everybody.
"In the end, the decarbonisation of air travel will only happen through a reduction in air travel overall," Jérôme Du Boucher, aviation specialist for the NGO Transport & Environment, told France24.
That's not just the musings of a lone activist; it's a serious proposal in certain circles and a recommendation by France's Agency for Ecological Transition. That government body proposes hiking ticket prices with taxes or capping flights to reduce air travel. Never mind that "flying has gotten considerably cheaper, safer, faster and even greener, over the last 60 years," according to a 2017 article by the University of Texas at Austin. "Today's aircraft use roughly 80 percent less fuel per passenger-mile than the first jets of the 1950s." Further innovation seems more promising than reserving air travel for the wealthy and well-connected, but that's not the world in which we live.
No, the world in which we live is one in which governments polish their green credentials by banning decent stoves even as they close nuclear power plants that could really reduce emissions. It's one in which choice and personal preferences matter less than top-down dictates. It's one in which you should enjoy pizza made in a coal– or wood–fired oven now, because it may soon be a thing of the past.
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""In the end, the decarbonisation of air travel will only happen through a reduction in air travel overall," Jérôme Du Boucher, aviation specialist for the NGO Transport & Environment, told France24."
In the end, this is about the nouveau patrician class putting the plebs and the proles back in their place, tied to the land.
Reason should try to persuade certain circles that the key to reducing air travel is mandatory smoking sections in all classes of service, and a coal-fired pizza oven in First.
In the end, this is about the nouveau patrician class putting the plebs and the proles back in their place, tied to the land.
^This^
They've always resented the fact that so many of the hoi polloi can afford to fly. Even though most of them fly either private or, if they do stoop to the level of flying commercial, first class.
While the nouveau riche travel about freely in their private jets.
But we will be forced to live in fifteen minute cities eating bugs.
May I suggest a one month suspension of stories about New York and California?
The rest of the world doesn't give a damn about theses things.
Those places are the breeding grounds of bad ideas that will spread to the undesirables in flyover country in the near future.
Yep, they're the canaries in the coal mine. Or a metastasizing cancer, whichever metaphor you prefer.
And if it's not from there, it's from Chicago and Illinois.
Not just ideas are spreading. Too many Californians have contaminate other states.
There should be common sense voter registration waiting periods. Like 10 years.
20.
Just wait until they come for you.
While I don't disagree that the best part of a NY-style pizza is the parts that are burnt, it says a lot about the culture of the cuisine when the most important part is how they get burnt.
Almost like the food itself is between shitty and immaterial and the whole point is to use social regulation to punch yourself and others in the dick in order to impress your friends.
The temperature at which things are cooked and how they are browned or charred is an important part of all kinds of cooking. I think NY pizza is great and I have no interest in signaling any kind of urban hispter coolness.
Are rising urban hisptertures a sign of global warming, or a symptom of hyperthermia?
I have no interest in signaling any kind of urban hispter coolness.
IDK, construing temperature or time at temperature with the fuel used to attain those temperatures is pretty hipster. I don't mean to go all Bernie Sanders but all kinds of things tasteful and fashionable are continually being demonstrated to be purely religious and/or psychological, like all the hours people spent marinading (as distinct from basting or brining).
I'd bet $1,000 95+% of pizza consumers can't distinguish between coal, charcoal, wood, vs. any other open-flame baked pizza and another $1,000 that the other 5% can be readily fooled by tricks like 20 min. in a conventional oven and <30s through a smoker.
To say nothing about the fact that no amount of coal smoke is going to pass low-moisture part-skim mozzarella, Heinz 57 ketchup, and saltines off as pizza, even if people make and eat that all the time.
Remind me never to accept an invitation to your barbecue.
“How they get burnt,” is how all those fun chemical processes — the Maillard reaction, caramelization, pyrolysis — occur in the right proportions to make food delicious. Good ingredients are important, but so is how those ingredients are cooked. We can’t eat ceviche at every meal.
Sure would be terrible if someone ran all these useless fucking eco-nazis through a wood chipper. Tragic, really.
Too bad they can't be used to fire up a pizza oven.
They could be used as fertilizer to grow fuel for the pizza ovens.
The green police, they come to ruin our food
The green police, they come to darken our mood
The green police need to have green grass growing over their graves.
Deposit them in landfills then pave over the top.
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Elsewhere in last week's news, New York City Hall was stormed by pie flinging pizza activists from Staten Island
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2023/06/big-apple-mayor-hits-forest-fires-with.html
Most entertaining video thanks to Scott Lobaido keep on keeping on Scott.
FTFY.
Biden: "If you like your gas stove you can just go fuck off and do what I say."
I mean, I'd at least give props for honesty.
Environmentalism; The only (and legislated/Gov-Gun enforced) religion that actually focuses on destruction instead of creation.
You'll only find such *ss-backward satanic religions in nations conquered by the [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s]. [WE] must destroy you with Gov-Guns to 'save' you! /s The US has gotten so stupid.
Remember 6 months ago, when 'they're coming for your ovens' was a crazy right-wing conspiracy theory?
Cook stove means any wood fired or anthracite coal fired appliance
Switch to bituminous coal.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Suspect Charcoal is also a possibility.
They will take my charcoal/ wood fired BBQ over my dead cold body.
If you enjoy Listerine ice cream, try Little Seizure’s deep dish coal tar pizza
It’s tumor licking good!
Coal tar is great for dandruff control.
I expect Michigan to be next on banning gas stoves. The state legislature and governor are all rabid Marxists. The governor is a stupid, mindless c*** of a female and her little lesbian alcoholic drunkard Attorney general want to outlaw free speech. The both of them would better serve the people of Michigan if they stood out on the street corner and sold them selves as the stupid whores they are.
I have the utmost loathing and contempt for all those who voted for that useless c*** and her equally useless Atty. gen. As for the state legislature in Lansing: F*** YOU!
Speaking of MI, the dems who rule that state want to put you in jail for 5 years if you use the wrong pronoun.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249661/Michigan-residents-charged-felony-face-five-years-prison-using-wrong-pronouns.html
Yeah, try reading the text of the bill rather than relying on right wing websites. The bill is about harassment, threats, and intimidation, and explicitly states "the term intimidate would not include constitutionally protected activity or conduct that serves a legitimate purpose", EG the 1st Amendment.
Sheesh, such sheeple here.
Yes. Because prosecutors have never abused a law or ignored limitations on it before to politically charge people.
The law is designed to be abused. The current criminal standards for intimidation are too high, don’t punish the specific speech in question, and/or the civil and criminal punishments for harassment aren’t punitive enough.
They rather overtly are passing the bill because they want to make calling a biological male “he/him” and a biological female “she/her” a crime.
Did you read the article, the bill, existing law, or are generally aware of the issue of contention? Criminal intimidation is already illegal, this is a hate speech law.
You complain about sheep and then insist on breeding more of your own.
He does like getting fucked by rams.
So, one of those 'blue-ass' sheep.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/juanj/104836170
Odd, that is what I do instead of reading left-wing websites. Like on the parental rights bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5/text
Now left wing sites have called it racist, homophobic, trans-phobic and stated it would end public education. They even implied children would die because of the Parental rights bill.
Read the bill and I challenge you to point out exactly where it does any of those things?
Left-wing sites lied to you about Russian collusion, bounty-gate, the pee tape, find the fraud, white supremacist are good people, capitol policeman died from a fire extinguisher blow to the head, Hunter laptop was a fake, Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation and I could go on but won’t. Now the left-wing sites also told you they lied in back page printed retractions, but no matter how much they lie, and tell you they lie, you keep believing them. Pretty much the definition of insanity!
I will still retain the right to label Gov. Witmer a little Marxist c***.
This law is going to go the way of the the Affirmative Action and student loan payout bill.
This latest bill is DOA!!
Some really interesting, well thought out articles on this site. Unfortunately it is marred by hate-filled disgusting people like you.
You may have wandered into the wrong bar, kid.
thread winner
And the ban will apply to new construction, so their own gourmet kitchens won't be impacted. In 10 years of watching HGTV flipping shows, not once has the homeowner said "no, I don't want a fancy gas range, I want to save the climate".
In almost 20 years of designing commercial kitchens, I've never specified an electric range or oven. Not once. We do a dozen or more of these per year.
"Gas" vs: "Electric" is a dealbreaker for me on a rental. Well, OK, "Electric" is the dealbreaker, technically.
You can say ‘Cunt’ on this forum. Also, ‘Fuck’ is allowed.
Example: Bernie Sanders is a fucking communist cunt who got kicked out of the only commune he ever tried to join for being a lazy, worthless, sack of shit.
See? So easy.
So can you call someone s fucking cunt? Or is that to much?
Given how New Yorkers vote, my immediate thought is a Charlton Heston quote: "You got what you wanted, tiger. How does it taste?" Rather literal in this case.
Restaurants? When are they going to crack down on all the rich liberals who have fancy pizza ovens at home? Think of how much faster we will defeat the existential threat of climate change if they were forced to stop releasing combustion particulates into the air, stop consuming fresh cheese from climate disaster cattle, stop serving climate disaster pepperoni from caged pigs, and forced to settle for frozen cricket flour pizza with cricket toppings, heated in an electric oven, like the rest of us?
Hey, the purpose of activism is to change things, and that requires controlling people. Are you going to deny activists their fundamental right to be fulfilled (and their rights to government food, housing, energy, and wifi so they have free time to fuck us over)?
Yes. Yes I am.
Yes, and I'll step on their lady-balls while I'm doing it.
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