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SCOTUS Case Could Quash Democrats' Wealth Tax Plans

Plus: Why people believe doomer narratives, schools seek to define social media platforms as public nuisances, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 6.27.2023 9:30 AM

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The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case concerning the limits of IRS power. The results could have major implications for U.S. tax law. | HATIM KAGHAT/Belga/Sipa USA/Newscom
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Case concerns limits of IRS power. The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a tax law case that could "yield billions of dollars for large corporations, block Democrats' proposals to tax wealthy Americans and upend longstanding chunks of the tax code," as the Wall Street Journal describes it. At issue is "whether the 16th Amendment authorizes Congress to tax unrealized sums without apportionment among the states," SCOTUSblog explains.

The case—Moore v. United States—involves a Washington state couple challenging a $14,729 tax bill on income that they say shouldn't count as income. Charles and Kathleen Moore were sent a bill by the IRS saying they owed taxes on income received from their investment in the company KisanKraft. The Moores owned shares in this company for more than a decade but say they never received any income from these shares, because all company profits had been reinvested in the company.

At the center of the case is something called the Mandatory Repatriation Tax, which was passed as part of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. It let the IRS levy a one-time tax on shares in a foreign company even if said shares had not yielded any profits for the shareholders. The tax applied to individuals with at least 10 percent ownership of a foreign company as well as to U.S.-based companies.

Opponents of the Mandatory Repatriation Tax say it functions as a wealth tax or a property tax—types of direct taxes only allowed by the federal government if they're applied proportionally by state population.

But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit agreed with the government that the Mandatory Repatriation Tax is a form of income tax.

In their lawsuit, the Moores—who are being represented by the Competitive Enterprise Institute and the law firm BakerHostetler—argue that the tax is unconstitutional because it violates the 16th Amendment's requirement regarding direct taxes and state proportionality.

"The Constitution does not allow Congress to point at any pot of money and call it 'income' and then income-tax it," Andrew M. Grossman, the Moores' lead counsel, said in a statement. "'Income' means the same thing now that it did when the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified: gains that have been realized by the taxpayer."

At stake in this is the scope of permissible taxation by the federal government.

"Divorcing income from realization opens the door to new federal taxes on all sorts of wealth and property,'" warned 9th Circuit Judge Patrick Bumatay in a dissent from the appeals court's decision not to rehear the case en banc.

"Our court dislodged settled constitutional limits on federal taxation by aggrandizing Congress's power to levy unapportioned taxes on unrealized gains," wrote Bumatay. "This holding conflicts with the Sixteenth Amendment's original meaning and misconstrues binding precedents. And the consequences of our decision extend far beyond the Mandatory Repatriation Tax."

The Journal teases out some possible outcomes:

A ruling upholding the law would leave the status quo in place. But if the court rules in favor of the Moores, it could have widespread implications, depending on what the justices say.

First, if the court sided with the Moores, it could mean that companies that have been paying the one-time tax may be able to seek refunds totaling hundreds of billions of dollars.

Second, it could affect existing pieces of the tax code that impose taxes without realization of income. That includes taxes on individual shareholders in foreign companies with passive income, investors who buy certain discounted bonds, and wealthy people who renounce their citizenship. …

And, looking forward, a realization requirement could block some of Democrats' most ambitious tax proposals. President Biden has called for an annual minimum tax on wealthy Americans, based in part on their unrealized capital gains. And some Democrats, such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), want an annual tax on the net worth of the richest households.


FREE MINDS

Why is it so easy for people to believe doomer narratives? Last week in Roundup, we mentioned new research by Scott Winship and Jeremy Horpedahl pushing back against Oren Cass' assertion that the "cost of thriving" has become prohibitively expensive for most Americans. Marginal Revolution's Alex Tabarrok offers up one reason why people are so quick to believe such narratives of decline:

How easy is it for a male breadwinner to raise a family? Oren Cass argues that the cost of "thriving," is increasing. That's false. When you do the numbers correctly, Winship and Horpedahl show that the cost of thriving is falling. It's falling more slowly than we would like—but it's still the case that current generations are, on the whole, better off than previous generations.

Still, Winship and Horpedahl face an upward battle because while they are right on the numbers many people feel that they are wrong. Almost every generation harbors a nostalgic belief that circumstances were more favorable during their youth. Moreover, even though people are better off today, social media may have magnified invidious comparisons so everyone feels they are worse off than someone else.

I offer a third reason: the Linder Theorem. Real GDP per capita has doubled since the early 1980s but there are still only 24 hours in a day. How do consumers respond to all that increased wealth and no additional time? By focusing consumption on goods that are cheap to consume in time. We consume "fast food," we choose to watch television or movies "on demand," rather than read books or go to plays or live music performances. We consume multiple goods at the same time as when we eat and watch, talk and drive, and exercise and listen. And we manage, schedule and control our time more carefully with time planners, "to do" lists and calendaring. A search at Amazon for "time management," for example, leads to over 10,000 hits.

Time management is a cognitively strenuous task, leaving us feeling harried. As the opportunity cost of time increases, our concern about "wasting" our precious hours grows more acute. On balance, we are better off, but the blessing of high-value time can overwhelm some individuals, just as can the ready availability of high-calorie food.


FREE MARKETS

Schools seek to define social media platforms as public nuisances. The Cato Institute's Walter Olson talks to TechFreedom's Corbin Barthold about school districts suing social media companies:

I join @TechPolicyPdcst with @corbinkbarthold to talk about the wave of lawsuits filed by school districts seeking to define social media platforms as a public nuisance. You may not be surprised to learn that trial lawyers and $$ are involved. https://t.co/WkbTWLXPMr

— Walter Olson (@walterolson) June 27, 2023


QUICK HITS

CNN has obtained the audio of a 2021 recording in which Trump brags about having highly classified documents after leaving office.

"These are the papers…this is secret information" Trump can be heard saying pic.twitter.com/ZLgZf5ZH87

— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) June 27, 2023

• A new NBC poll finds just 32 percent of voters have a positive view of Vice President Kamala Harris, while 49 percent view Harris negatively.

• The National Association of Medical Examiners says "excited delirium" should not be cited as a cause of death. "Nearly all 'excited delirium' victims die after being tased or physically restrained by police," notes Reason's C.J. Ciaramella.

• How other countries benefit from America's dysfunctional immigration system.

• Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, pledges that if he's elected president, he'll authorize extrajudicial killings on American soil:

NEW: GOP presidential candidate @RonDeSantis says under his administration, he would change rules of engagement to allow for deadly force to be used against illegal immigrants cutting through border wall.
"If you drop a couple of these cartel operatives, they'll stop coming." pic.twitter.com/tuFMFB9hY6

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) June 26, 2023

• Oregonians will have the opportunity to vote on a proposal to use ranked choice voting for federal and state races.

• More than 70 years after Shirley Jackson's short story "The Lottery" was published, "it has retained its relevance across the decades: not because of any obvious message or moral, but precisely because of its unsettling open-endedness," writes Ruth Franklin in The New York Times. "The story works as a mirror to reflect back to its readers their current preoccupations and concerns, which is why readers could see McCarthy in it 75 years ago and Trump in it today."

• I'm on the Acton Institute's podcast talking about falling fertility rates.

• "Eccentricity isn't a political agenda," suggests Kevin D. Williamson, in a piece bemoaning "the fundamental, inescapable problem of that so-called New Right: its lack of intellectual seriousness."

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Case concerns limits of IRS power.

    SCOTUS knows who funds it.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      87,000 new agents shall not be restrained.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        I still question whether they will be able to find enough qualified hirees to fill all the funded positions.

        1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

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          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Maybe DNC operative and know a bit about accounting.

            1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

              You've never been audited. The drones follow standard work instructions. If they were skilled in accounting, they wouldn't be IRS agents.

            2. Diarrheality   2 years ago

              ...know a bit about accounting.

              Have you ever dealt with the IRS?

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                Yes. I said “a bit”.

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        3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          what are the qualifications?

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago (edited)

            Politically connected family members

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            DEI score?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

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        4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          Certainly depends on the definition of "qualified" here. Based on prior experience with government agents, the bar is very very very low. Toss in DIE requirements, it is probably safe to say that they can and will find the requisite number of people to fill the positions but that those people will almost certainly not improve anything at the IRS except headcount.

          Which, of course, is the actual goal here...adding 87,000 more government union members.

          1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

            I suspect you're correct, 87k more petty tyrants who will in most cases vote D.

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    2. Carey Allison   2 years ago (edited)

      What SCOTUS says should be interesting. Remember, the law (and, it seems, the English language) is whatever the Supreme Court declares. For example, illegal quotas aren’t illegal if they’re called “set-asides”. And SCOTUS can declare that legal lambs now have five legs, and and if you declare that your lambs are "legal' only if they are described as having five legs - if you insist they have only four legs, they can be banned from interstate commerce, (and interstate commerce now includes just about everything but coitus with your wife – so far)!

      As for taxation, the Constitution allows taxation of incomes (16th Amendment). SCOTUS has already ruled that Congress has “plenary power” in the area of taxation, within the limitations and restrictions specifically imposed by the Constitution. Please note that nowhere in that document is “income” defined.

      So, a case concerning wealth taxes comes before the Supreme Court. The Supremes, in their judicial majesty, determine that “wealth”, including real estate and other assets, is merely a form of retained income. And Presto the rabbit jumps out of the taxation hat and amazes everyone.

      And then another case concerning the taxing of unrealized income comes before the Supreme Court. Again, in their unlimited wisdom, our nine black-robed judicial priests look at the case, and declare those seeking to overturn the law for taxing “unrealized income” are in fact conceding the unrealized income is in fact a taxable type of income which should be obvious to the layman by its very name. As such, they have no case to argue. And Chango, (Presto’s first cousin on his mother’s side) also jumps out of the hat and into your bank account.

      Obviously, the two paragraphs above were written as satire and to ridicule - to point out how looney some laws and Supreme Court decisions are and can be. Sadly, there really is nothing that prevents that satire from being prognostication and becoming fact, as long as Congress shapes the new taxes to affect “only” the unpopular wealthy and doesn’t engender a popular uprising that would cost most of them their incumbency – because most people regard as “wealthy” anyone who has a little more than they do!

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        This right here is why doomer narratives are so believable. Because we live in fucking clown world.

        1. awildseaking   2 years ago

          Satire and critique used to be told through science fiction stories set in a distant future. Nowadays, they are told with current events.

      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        Sounds real to me. The court already declared unconstitutional interstate sales tax constitutional. You can't rely on the so-called left or right judges, they no longer GAS about citizen's rights regarding their money.

      3. Eeyore   2 years ago

        The tax code has already gotten away with all sorts of arbitrary exemptions based on behavior. You just have to state everything as an exemption.

        I propose a no facial piercing tax exemption.
        A no blue hair dye tax exemption.
        Everyone is taxed 2% more, so it is fair, but gets a 1% exemption for each of those behaviors not partaken.

        With the right bullshit language everything is taxable.

      4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Bees Are Now Legally Fish in California.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      It’s not this?

      https://supremecourtgifts.org/

      “Just in … 2023 Supreme Court ‘Ceiling’ Ornament $26.95 USD”

      “Chef Supreme: Martin Ginsburg $24.95 USD”

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        And, yes, their website has both a “$” and “USD” on all prices.

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago (edited)

          Perhaps Mother’s Lament, who is from Canada, can explain why the USD designation can be a necessary detail for purchase.

          Other than that, weird. I'll pass.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            LOL, I should hope the U.S. Supreme Court used U.S. money.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            The $ sign is used for many dollar currencies, including Canadian, Australian, and New Zealand. It's also used for the Mexican peso.

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      One would hope this conservative Court would limit the IRS in this case. Guess we will see.

    5. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago

      In recent reading I came across this"

      "By the 1930s, the onset of Stalinist terror meant anyone could expect a nighttime knock on the door by the secret police, and blind chance seemed to rule people’s lives. Paralyzed by fear, many Russians felt compelled to participate in denunciations, hoping to increase their chance of survival."

      It sounds a lot like our current regime's handling of "white nationalists".

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Just get rid of them.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
        ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Why they see undermining 2A as so important.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Schools seek to define social media platforms as public nuisances.

    BREAKING NEWS: Power Center Hates Populist Tools

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      wait 'til Elon buys the schools.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Why is it so easy for people to believe doomer narratives?

    If it bleeds, it leads.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    CNN has obtained the audio of a 2021 recording in which Trump brags about having highly classified documents after leaving office.

    GOT HIM.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Oddly, Fox News has zero coverage of this story.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        They had coverage dumbass.

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        Not oddly, you have no idea what you are talking about

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      3. One-Punch_Man   2 years ago

        Oddly CNN, who had bombshells on Russian Gate, Trumps ex Lawyer on a hundred times, shed tears if a Democrat losses has this story right, and has spend 0 seconds on Hunter Biden items has this story right?

        1. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

          Don't forget creepy porn lawyer.

      4. damikesc   2 years ago

        Odd how these leaks are coming out. While Trump, to remind you, is forbidden to even discuss the evidence.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Not sure how that is relevant to my observation that Fox hasn’t covered the story of the recording.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Caw caw!

          2. damikesc   2 years ago

            They did cover it, however.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Finally, 48 minutes ago. More than four hours after your comment.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                This is false.

              2. tgrondo   2 years ago

                Are you saying that Fox news is pro Trump...????

                What kind of fantasy land do you live in...??????

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          Hmm. Where would grand jury evidence referenced in a charging document come from? Certainly not from the DOJ because they're all about justice.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      The walls, they are closing in at last!

      1. HorseConch   2 years ago

        Closing in? They have definitely imploded. Can't believe they were able to drag his orange body from the ashes.

    3. Zeb   2 years ago

      And now all of a sudden everyone believes that everything Trump says is literally true (if it makes him look bad).

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        IMO, more critically, the opposite of the same coin. That is it doesn't matter whether the information is objectively classified but whether the suspect is the appropriate kind of secret-y person and whether they mean 'secret' as in 'unknown to others' or 'secret' as in 'controlled and classified'.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        People refer to classified information as classified after it is declassified all the time. You can still buy the Mueller Report in book form with it claiming itself classified despite being unclassified. People refer to the Pentagon Papers as classified documents. Etc etc.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          That's what I mean. It's silly to pretend that Trump is using the terms in their strict, technical sense and not informally/colloquially. Especially when it's someone who usually insists that he's an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

    4. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Something something... "walls closing in..."

    5. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      I am left wondering about the source of the tapes. Why would someone tape Trump, unless for personal protection? The former President seems to throw people under the bus regularly and it might help to have a recording of your conversation with him for insurance.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A new NBC poll finds just 32 percent of voters have a positive view of Vice President Kamala Harris, while 49 percent view Harris negatively.

    32% have only seen pictures.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I personally know several liberals/progressive who know she is a woman of color who was in the California government — and couldn’t tell you anything about her beyond that.

      1. creech   2 years ago

        But, with near certainty, we know she will be the next president of the U.S.

        1. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago

          She is only one small stumble by a demented old pervert away from assuming the throne.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          You may be right. 8-(

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        If they DID..her numbers would be dramatically worse.

        Just replay Gabbard's obliteration of her in the debate.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      32% have only seen pictures.

      Perhaps if she replaced her speechwriter she'd be more popular?

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        Truly the Cicero of modern times.

      2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        I am dubious she has a speechwriter. No one could write the things that she says and not be immediately replaced by Biden's handlers.

    3. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      Kamala Harris's poll numbers are not great, but they are stand-alone numbers. The leading Republican is the former President, and he will not make the same mistake of picking a VP with integrity. If nominated I would expect his VP pick to be loyal to only him, laws and Constitution be damned. His pick would make Sarah Palin look good by comparison. I expect Kamala Harris will also look better when compared to the Republican pick. It is worth noting that both parties VP stand a chance of inheriting the Presidency.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        So the woman who literally fucked her way into office has integrity?

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The National Association of Medical Examiners says "excited delirium" should not be cited as a cause of death.

    COVID.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Well, no, tasers and police restraints. Literally says that above.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Humor is lost on idiots.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          And ideologues.

          1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

            Odd how the shills and regular left-leaning commenters manage are almost always both idiots and ideologues... Say what one might about the rightists here, most of them have been able to admit when wrong. The diehard left-leaning sorts stick to the script no matter what, and defend their pols through scandals, charges, investigations. And they rarely, if ever reverse a position and admit to being wrong.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Brenda Bock, the county coroner for Grand County, told Sharyl Attkisson that in November, she processed a murder-suicide case “and the very next day it showed up on the state website as COVID death.”

        “They were gunshot wounds,” she said. “And I questioned that immediately because I had not even signed the death certificates yet, and the state was already reporting them as COVID deaths.”

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Which has what relevance to "excited delirium"?

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            It's another incorrect diagnosis made to deceive and mislead.

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          The bullets were drenched with Covid germs. Case closed.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        ORLANDO, Fla. (CBS12) — A man who died in a motorcycle crash was counted as a COVID-19 death in Florida, according to a new report from FOX 35 Orlando.

        According to the report, Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino was asked whether two coronavirus victims in their 20s had any underlying medical conditions that could have potentially made them more susceptible to the virus.

        Pino's answer was that one of the two people who was listed as a COVID death actually died in a motorcycle crash. Despite health officials knowing the man died in a motorcycle crash, it is unclear whether or not his death was removed from the overall count in the state.

        Dr. Pino tells FOX 35 that one "could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash."

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Which has what relevance to "excited delirium"?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Because their deaths were misclassified. Who are you trying to fool here Mike?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Still hoping to impress ENB.

          2. R Mac   2 years ago

            Man, this is really making you mad Dee.

            Wonder why?

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Pointing out that a certain class of people are at increased risk of dying of excited delirium is racist unless it suits the narrative, then it's good.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    At the center of the case is something called the Mandatory Repatriation Tax, which was passed as part of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. It let the IRS levy a one-time tax...

    Of course it did. It's call the Tax Cuts act so naturally it would raise some taxes.

  8. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

    Is that Tony?

    -jcr

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      No way Tony could ever write backwards on his forehead. Tying his shoes is difficult enough.

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        His pansexual "friend" wrote it for him.

  9. JohnZ   2 years ago

    The clown at the top of the article looks like someone who will be a real contributor to society just as soon as he graduates from college with a degree in Gender Studies, which amounts to living in his mother's basement, or on EBT and Section 8 housing.
    Or maybe he will be teaching your kids at school.
    Those who want the rich taxed at higher rates are usually those living off the welfare system and far too many have been doing so for generations.
    People on welfare, especially those who have done so generation after generation should not be allowed to vote.

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Or maybe he will be teaching your kids at school.

      This is most likely scenario. That creature will very survive in the private sector.

    2. creech   2 years ago

      Same sort of smug "look at me, look at me" pose as that Libertarian candidate guy who wore a rubber boot on his head or the one who danced in his underwear at their national convention.

      1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

        The only thing I will say in Vermin Supreme's defense, he did offer free ponies as a plank when running for office. Just about everything else he did was stupid, but that bit of mockery was entertaining for a political candidate.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          He was a better candidate than Bill Weld.

    3. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago (edited)

      Or maybe he will be teaching your kids at school.

      Either that or an HR department. He It's got "Chief Diversity Officer" written all over him it.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Now hold on there, Slick. If it was born with testicles then it should not be brandishing its maleness with facial hair. On the other hand, if it was born with ovaries but has swallowed enough testosterone to grow a beard, well, then you have Chief Diversity Officer material.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          if it was born with ovaries but has swallowed enough testosterone to grow a beard, well, then you have Chief Diversity Officer material.

          That's kind of what I was assuming, but I suppose it's possible that it could have been born with male genitalia and has just barely enough testosterone to grow facial hair.

      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        t’s got “Chief Diversity Officer” written all over him it.
        Wrong color.
        Chief Diversity Officer tend not to be diverse.

        1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

          Wrong color.

          Did you just assume its gender racial identity? REEEEE!!!!!!!!

        2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          *trigger warning*

          Also wrong sex.

          1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

            Did you just assume its gender identity? REEEEE!!!!!!!!

      3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        So, I had to complete one of these DIE sessions as a work requirement. During the course, there were video snippets that were led by several people labeled as "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Expert".

        Was it wrong of me to notice that there was ZERO diversity among the group of people to whom that label was applied?

        1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

          No. I've noticed that a significant portion of the population of the DEI theocracy is made up of resentful (affluent) white (liberal) women w/ college educations. RAWFLs, if you will, though the 'R' isn't necessary as it's a given.

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Probably a trust fund kid, who's an "artist" and full-time protester.

      1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        Tax the rich? Start by confiscating his nose ring, his earring and his iphone.

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          No no no. Not him. The Other Rich.

      2. Homer Thompson   2 years ago

        trustafarian

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Douche bag.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Most of the commies these days are from the upper middle class, and the main reason is that they are incredibly resentful of anyone who makes more money than they do.

      It doesn't even have to do so much with political ideology, as it does that class's long-standing addiction to status-seeking.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "If you drop a couple of these cartel operatives, they'll stop coming."

    The hallmark of the cartels is concern for the safety of their mules.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      If we're talking about intercepting mules then clearly the correct answer is CBP agents on horses with lariats and whips.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Cartel HR: Our benefits package includes a healthcare plan that covers all the heroine you physically swallow and all the palliative care you could possibly want should you refuse.

      Prospective Mule: IDK. The covered heroin is nice, but I can get the same palliative care for free in Canada.

  11. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Finally.

    House Speaker McCarthy said he will begin impeachment proceedings against Merrick Garland

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      I like your optimism but post a picture of your sad face when nothing happens.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        They might let Garland go. He's way too compromised now... or they might just rub our faces in it.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          My money is on the latter.

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

            That's what I'd bet on.

            I mean, c'mon. Surely nobody thinks the Ds are going to vote to impeach anyone on their team who hasn't violently misgendered someone.

            1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              Impeachment is done in the house, It just requires a majority. The trial is in the Senate. Biden, Mayorkas and Garland should be impeached on a weekly basis.
              If Biden's coattails look like he'll be dragging dems out of a job they may be amenable to giving Joe the heave-ho.

              1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

                This would require the GOP to behave like spoiled adolescent girls, or the DNC. I'm not saying that the 'strongly worded letter' and attempt at professionalism route is working. And I am a proponent of using the tactics of one's adversary against the adversary. But if those 3 are to be impeached, there are other areas, the administrative state, for example, that is of equal concern. Removing the non-permanent figureheads does nothing if the rot still exists.

        2. Eeyore   2 years ago

          So Garland takes a shit in the house and I get my nose rubbed in it? This is why I'm not housebroken.

    2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Meaningless, cuz the fix is in.

      Google "Biden impeached"

      The first suggestion on the autofill is Trump impeachment. The top ten suggestions do not even include the word Biden.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Even Duckduckgo searches are like that now when it comes to anything related to American politics.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Hey, Democracy! is much too important to let you see anything but officially approved information.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Maybe because Biden hasn’t been impeached. I just googled “Impeach Biden” and got several relevant hits:
        - top hit: “H. Res. 57 - Impeaching Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States”
        - followed by several news reports about Republican efforts to impeach Biden

    3. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      I'll believe it when I see a recorded vote, ML. It is not a question of whether Garland is impeachment worthy (the lying SOB should be impeached). I question whether Team R has the balls to follow through.

    4. R Mac   2 years ago

      Massie’s a no vote. Doesn’t want to set a bad precedent.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Dude has really revealed himself the last couple months

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          He is well-armed, though.

    5. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Really don't see that he has a choice. The whistleblower has solid evidence and, unlike the phony impeachment clowns, he has named witnesses to back him up. Yes. This will die in the senate. But any Republican in the house that votes nay is toast. Or should be. What would Amash do? That we will never know.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Oregonians will have the opportunity to vote on a proposal to use ranked choice voting for federal and state races.

    Me currently doing the math to see if this ends or cements one-party rule in areas that use it.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      Could this be the Libertarian moment? Nah, knowing Oregon, it will be the Green Party moment.

      1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        They just elected a dyke governor. Rank choice voting would insure a lesbian and a tranny at the top of each final vote. Gay men are passe at this point and republicans are dead ducks.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Ranked choice voting is a fucking scam for leftists to stay in power even when they don't get a majority of votes. They would not be pushing it this hard in so many places if they thought it was a threat to their power.

  13. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      No. Stop asking, asshole.

  14. Sevo   2 years ago

    "The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a tax law case that could "yield billions of dollars for large corporations, block Democrats' proposals to tax wealthy Americans and upend longstanding chunks of the tax code," as the Wall Street Journal describes it."

    Thank you, Donald Trump.

  15. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12236621/Now-bombshell-audio-reveals-Trump-admitting-classified-documents-shouldnt-taken.html

    Trump blasts 'deranged' prosecutor Jack Smith and accuses him of working with DOJ and FBI to leak damning audio to CNN in which the former president ADMITS to having classified documents he took from White House

    Of course he's deranged. It's the only possible reason why anyone would be critical of Trump and of anything he did. Ask any Trumpista. But that's totally different than the Obamabots who say anyone critical of Trump's predecessor is racist. So what if both sets of followers attack people personally for their disagreement. It's different. Totally different. Because it's different.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Look who didn't read the roundup.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Does anyone?

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      If you weren't a fucking moron you'd learn that Jack Smith helped prosecute Trump's impeachment, and worked with NYC DA Alvin Bragg on his nutty charges.
      Jack Smith has done nothing but spend the last five years targeting Trump.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        When did all this happen? Why would Jack Smith in DOJ help prosecute Trump's impeachment? Isn't that the job of the House staff?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Jack Smith was special counsel to oversee the criminal investigations into Donald Trump's actions regarding the January 6 as part of the second impeachment.

          1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

            I wouldn't bother, ML. The fuckwit doesn't read news, has 0 comprehension of historical/currents events except through the lens of ideological bias, and rejects facts that don't fit into its worldview. 'Shill or troll?/Shill and troll?' could be a reasonmag commentariat game. Hypocrisy4ever will trot out a half a dozen canards about cheetoh-hitler, but the fact that the very same accusations apply to his favored politicians never cross his(?) dim mind. The 'why?' being partisan politics and simple dislike of trump, this escaping fuckwit is hysterical.

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              It’s a parody.

          2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            Jack Smith is a special council for investigating J6 but he had nothing to do with the second impeachment, that was Congress. Jack Smith was prosecuting war criminal in Hauge when the impeachment happened.

          3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            Very slick, Slick. Rather than admit a simple mistake (committed while calling someone else a "fucking moron", lol), you double-down and hope no one notices when you add the words, "as part of the second impeachment" to the end of Jack Smith's Wikipedia entry, which, by the way, read in full:

            "On November 18, 2022, United States Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Smith _special counsel to oversee the criminal investigations into Donald Trump's actions regarding the January 6_ United States Capitol attack, and Trump's handling and storage of government records, including classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate."

            Trump's second impeachment occurred on January 13, 2021, and the Senate acquitted him on February 13, 2021. Jack Smith was still working in the Hague during that entire time and, indeed, was so committed to that task that he was appointed to a second term as Chief Prosecutor on May 8, 2022.

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          All documented facts in the public record. There's a circular icon on your screen that looks like an unfinished rainbow flag color scheme and a cool blue center. Click on it. Asshole.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        And had one of prosecuted trials against a gop politician get overturned at the USSC unanimously. His teams have been charged with prosecutorial misconduct often as well.

      3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        He spent the four years since September 2018 prosecuting war crimes in Europe, returning to the US in November 2022.

        So, actually one year of "the last five years targeting Trump"...

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      Meanwhile, Trump’s attorneys wish he would just shut up.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        No, you shut up. Trump didn't do anything wrong, and if he did do anything wrong a Democrat did it first and worse which makes it ok.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Meanwhile leftists keep blaming the victim over political prosecutions.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          If he doesn’t want to get treated like a criminal he should stop campaigning!

  16. Nobartium   2 years ago

    Kevin D. Williamson

    The original "learn to code" guy. Don't give a flying fuck what he has to say. Ever.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      The original “learn to code” guy.

      I can't wait to tell him that when he gets replaced by AI.

  17. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Proud Boys start demasking Patriot Front "racists" at a rally. Cops rush in to save the Feds.

    This is what everybody needs to start doing to the masked "racists" and "Nazi" that show up. Take their masks and identify them. Find out which Field Office or organization they're working for.

    1. rbike   2 years ago

      This video was so good that I watched it several times. It may just end Patriot front or whoever these idiots are. Sure, Antifa or the feds or both can sue those who beat them up, but then they would have some explaining to do. Those un.asked are having some explaining to do.

    2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago (edited)

      Watching them cover their faces after being demasked is hilarious. The restraint exhibited was impressive, trying not to blow their cover.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        So, it’s straight to believing the narrative that they are undercover agents?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          The narrative is that they're neo-Nazi racists, the evidence is that they're astroturfing.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Are you going to admit there were more than 2 dozen under cover agents at J6 yet?

        3. damikesc   2 years ago

          Adam Kinzinger said they were feds, and if nothing else, he knows feds.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Oh, Adam Kinzinger says so.

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              Whooosh! (Again)

        4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          One comment there:

          This is a win, win.

          Let’s say these really ARE just dumb racist punks. Not welcome. They have no place in our movement. Now they’re exposed. Good.

          If they ARE Feds, this is a taxpayer funded psy-op meant to defame and entrap innocent Americans. Now they’re exposed. Good.

      2. creech   2 years ago

        Back in the day (Vietnam protest era), we didn't mask up, and would cheerfully give the Civil Disobedience cops our names when asked. I bet the Philly cops still have thick files on "Hank Rearden" and "John Galt."

        1. rbike   2 years ago

          The penalty for beating the crap out of someone is typically $50. Or at least it was in the 80's when I was assaulted. The DA said just forget about it you will just make them angrier. Biggest risk I would have is losing the job today if I were to be involved. Fortunately, these assaulters did not care. If they worked for me, I'd quietly applaud them. They are heroes in my view.

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Yeah, I'm sure we got to where we are because the files from Vietnam protests on "John Galt" and "Hank Rearden" are overflowing while files on "Jane Fonda" and "Peter Fonda" are completely bare.

        3. creech   2 years ago

          Nah, using one of the Fondas would tip the cops off that we were having them on. This was a trick we learned from the peaceniks. They would use names like Pete Kropotkin and Rosa Luxemberg and the cops would have no idea of the ruse.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Video now "unavailable" and account suspended on Twitter.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Wow, you're right. And Musk himself is one of the first commenters on the video they suspended and they pulled it anyway.

        https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1673144027808698368

        Looks like he's got a lot more weeding and firing to do before he gets all the undercover agents out.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          Damn, I was going to watch that later. :-/

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            It’s in a zerohedge? link below I think.

    4. Minadin   2 years ago

      Well, that account got suspended in a hurry.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Video's gone now.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Archive everything.

    6. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      6:30 CDT video is blocked on Twitter.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...readers could see McCarthy in it 75 years ago and Trump in it today.

    People have heard its echo recently in the policies of Donald Trump’s MAGA populism or in the perceived excesses of the censorious mob.

    [Note: Censorious mob political affiliation unknown at this time]

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      Those darn COMMON GOOD Conservstives

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        You know who else was "darned" and in favor of "The Common Good Over The Individual Good?"

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    I'm on the Acton Institute's podcast talking about falling fertility rates.

    Which is not going to be good for some bottom lines.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      But very pleasurable for a lot of bottoms and tops. ????

  20. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    Why is it so easy for people to believe doomer narratives?

    Common doomer narratives at Reason:
    Without Roe v Wade women are doomed
    Unless we stop global warming we are doomed
    If men can't wave their junk in front of children the LGBT peoples are doomed

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      A school board declining to stock gay porn in the middle school library is BOOK BANNING. Free speech is doomed.

    2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      If Americans continue to use pistol braces that change calibers, we are doomed.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Pistol braces make guns higher caliber automatics - Joe.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          One of my favorites.

      2. Zeb   2 years ago

        I gotta get one of those.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Will it work on my, er, other gun?

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Asking the AG questions about a bribery investigation involving the president and his son is a threat to the rule of law. Our Democracy(TM) is doomed

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      If we don’t convict Trump of knowingly holding secrets without actually and clearly knowing what those secrets are we’re doomed.

      If we let slip that our top secret document classification program doesn’t actually protect top secret facts and identities from adversaries and is instead being used to keep embarrassing opinions, lies, and even acts of war perpetrated by top generals, appointed and elected staffers, and even foreign governments a secret from the American public, we’re doomed.

    5. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      We consume multiple goods at the same time as when we eat and watch, talk and drive, and exercise and listen.

      As the Travelling Salesman observed when the Farmer's Daughter fell on top of him from the hayloft ladder: "It's not polite to talk when your mouth is full!"
      🙂

  21. Sevo   2 years ago

    "Why is it so easy for people to believe doomer narratives?"

    Might have something to do with the constant flood of propaganda.
    For more than 30 years, we have been told 24/7 that 'the world is gonna end!' if we don't give up cars/stoves/meat/etc and during that entire time, not one single specific prediction has been accurate. Not one.
    We get 'things are changing!!!!', and they are. In barely measurable amounts, but that doesn't stop the constant propaganda.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      It's also better to plan on worst case scenarios. Planning on best case scenario leaves you boned if anything bad happens.

  22. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12237057/Veteran-biology-professor-teaching-sex-determined-chromosomes-X-Y-fired.html

    Veteran biology professor who teaches scientific fact that sex is determined by chromosomes X and Y is FIRED after four students walked out of his reproductive class - accusing him of 'religious preaching'

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I wonder if there is more to the story.

      Maybe he was giving his religious views in class, despite his denials.

      Or maybe a group of students heard about his religious views, which he really didn’t talk about in class, and staged a walkout. And then lied about his inappropriately sharing his religious views in class.

      Anyway, I don’t understand how, you a dirty lefty liberal commie, would post something that isn’t lefty liberal commie-ish.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        I wonder if there is more to the story.

        I doubt it. He hurt the feewings of the students, and deans would rather fire a professor for telling the truth than risk students not coming back next semester.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        Bill Maher is alt right now because he supports free speech – Mike Cite logic.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules…that would have gotten you labeled a radical 50 years ago, a liberal 25 years ago, and a racist today. [Thomas Sowell]

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Everyone involved in this story is black, by the way. So, rather than racism the accusation here is homophobia.

      3. R Mac   2 years ago

        Hmmm, Dee’s being skeptical.

        Which direction does this story go?

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Just more proof of your claim that the left is more aligned with libertarians as they believe in freedoms huh sarc?

      https://reason.com/2022/08/04/monkeypox-is-giving-public-health-agencies-a-chance-to-prove-theyve-learned-nothing-from-covid/?comments=true#comment-9632024

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, pledges that if he's elected president, he'll authorize extrajudicial killings on American soil:

    OK, ENB, let's cut the crap and read more on that story instead of a panic monger (Bill Melugan).

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_8390f856-1461-11ee-8310-77859ff56905.html

    U.S. Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, who’s endorsed DeSantis for president, said, “Washington’s status quo approach to border security is one of the biggest failures of our generation. This crisis has decimated ranchers, killed Americans with dangerous narcotics, placed migrants in horrific situations from sex trafficking to death, and placed American national security at risk to China and cartels. Texans and our courageous DPS Troopers deserve credit for standing in the breach created by Joe Biden. We need a president in the White House who is not afraid to use the full weight of his office to build the wall, stop the flow, and force Congress to send a bill to sign to fix the laws once and for all. Ron DeSantis not only has a strong plan to secure the border – in line with our Texas plan – he has the courage to finally deliver results.”

    [DeSantis said,] “If you cross illegally, you will be detained until your hearing date,” he said, referring to foreign nationals. “If you arrive at a port of entry on the US-Mexico border claiming asylum, you will not enter the United States while your claim is being processed.“

    Notably, he said he “will authorize appropriate rules of engagement at the border so that those trying to smuggle drugs into the United States are met with the use of force.” This includes using lethal force against cartel operatives damaging the border wall. It does not have anything to do with people arriving at ports of entry.

    In other words, lethal force on those actively attacking the border, not already within the US.

    “Right now, cartel operatives cut through portions of the border wall with impunity and poison our communities with dangerous drugs,” he said. “That ends on January 20, 2025,” inauguration day for the next president.

    His plan also includes imposing penalties on sanctuary jurisdictions, including cutting off hundreds of millions of dollars in grants to communities that won’t cooperate with federal immigration officers.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      She knows. She's doing a little rhetorical technique called "lying".

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        It works on the mikes and sarcs of the world.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      No country in the history of man has ever before used military force to repel boarders at the borders. We are uniquely evil here and Ron DeSantis is uniquely evil for suggesting it.

  24. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12237635/Down-one-Moment-seagull-swallows-squirrel-just-seconds.html

    Down in one! Moment a seagull swallows a squirrel WHOLE in just seconds

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Shhh, that might offend Sqrlsy.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

        Are you kidding? The Church of Squirrels has a new Martyr, St. Jonathan NoLonger Livingston.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      That’s not normal seagull diet. Wonder if he had regrets after, like when I have wolfed down a bunch of Taco Bell.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        I was wondering how it was going to come out.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Ewww

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          If it's similar to how owls eat, the gull will regurgitate the bones, fur, and ligaments after digesting the rest. The rest will wind up on your windshield later.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            That makes sense.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            I find a lot of crawfish claws along the shore and wondered WTF? I now have seen seagulls capture a crawfish from the water, then drop it on the shore. Then they use their beaks to grab the crawfish by one claw and shake until the claw comes off. The gull repeats the process on the other claw. Then the gull scarfs down the de-clawed crawfish.

            I suppose stuffing a live crawfish with claws down the ol' gullet might be bad...

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        I go to the beach several times a week. I've never seen a seagull gulp anything like that. Though I always enjoy watching them fly up with a big clam in their beak and then drop it to crack it open.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          One of the coolest things I ever saw was an eagle with a snake in its talons. Just like on the Mexican flag, but in real life.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

            My commute used to take me through an area with lots of osprey. Watching them fly around with fish in their talons was always a highlight to an otherwise boring drive.

            Edit: The other day I saw a Boeing V-22 flying around. That was pretty cool too.

            1. Zeb   2 years ago

              I have a spot on a lake near where some Osprey nest. And there are some bald eagles down on the river. Get to see some pretty cool Osprey Eagle battles when the eagles try to steal fish from the Osprey.

  25. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    California's cash grab starts today.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_b2320930-1483-11ee-bb07-8b912154d0aa.html

    Following a call from Gov. Gavin Newsom earlier this year to hold petroleum companies responsible for high gas prices and a request for a special session of the California State Senate to fast-track the bill, Newsom signed the bill into law in late March.

    Implementation of the bill is expected to cost around $7 million.

    The high price of gas has been a challenge for the state for decades, with blame running the gamut of California's refineries, retailers, the state's taxes and environmental policies. Supporters of the new system hope monitoring will identify manipulation or any illegal behavior, which will be referred to the Department of Justice for prosecution.

    Opponents of the measure said during debate of the bill that California Democrats could have helped consumers during record-high gas prices by suspending the state gas tax but weren't interested in doing so. Others predicted oil companies would pass the new penalties down to the pump.

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      California's special blend gas isn't keeping the price down. Demand a custom product, and wonder why it costs more. Fucking leftists.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        California forbidding the construction of new refineries to make their special blend isn't helping either and I am going to laugh my ass off if the gas companies tell CA to get fucked and just shut down.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

          ""I am going to laugh my ass off if the gas companies tell CA to get fucked and just shut down.""

          Too bad that never seems to happen. I would like to see pig farmers telling CA to fuck off.

          1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

            I'd like to see gun manufacturers tell CA to fuck off.

          2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

            Just let me have my little daydream, man!

    2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      Don't give California one drop of oil.
      Don't give California one drop of water.
      Don't give California one watt of electricity.
      Don't give California one ounce of pork.
      Do give California every single illegal alien.
      Shoot any Californians trying to exit the state.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter, good sir.

  26. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    About the picture at the top of this post: Is that what a man looks like?

    Seriously, what is that?

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      What is a man?

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        An adult human male.

      2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        A non-non-man.

      3. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        XY genetic identity = a man

      4. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        I'm not a biologist.

      5. Super Scary   2 years ago

        A miserable little pile of secrets!

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      It's whatever it identifies as, right?

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      it is your future

  27. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/wayofftheres/status/1673681486816346113?t=5DsbTXMW81tk3hNT5Oa6_A&s=19

    Still think this can be won without bloodshed?

    [Link]

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      And what a surprise: the "toss foam 'bricks' at pictures of ReTHUGlikKKKans" booth is being run by yet another egg shaped "man" with a neckbeard, a severe case of soylent grin, and an obvious testosterone deficiency.

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        In other words, a pussy beta male. Like Sarc when he drunkenly threatened to kick my ass, and now has spent over four months running away from me.

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        fantastic terminology . bravo. so evocative and accurate . made me laugh out loud.

    2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      No. Given how deranged democrats hve become, it may take historic levels of violence to end their assault on Americans.

    3. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      The moniker on the booth says "Community without Conditions".

      I'm guessing conservativism is a condition they wouldn't allow in they/their community.

    4. D-Pizzle   2 years ago

      Brick vs. Glock is going to be a real learning experience for these kids.

  28. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

    Not to be intentionally too sexist (apologies to Sandy) but why does it seem that the crazy flanks in Congress are all female? You got the crazywhores like MTG and Boebert on the right and the stupid bitches like Cori Bush, Rashida Tlaib, and Queen Omar on the far left.

    AOC gets a pass because she is hot.

    Chicks.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Yes, that was sexist. And, no, AOC does not get a pass.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Oddly, for once, I agree with Laursen. It was rather sexist, and AOC should never get a pass.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
      turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      You were banned from this site for posting links to child pornography. Eat shit and die, pedo.

    4. JesseAz   2 years ago

      What about schiff?

      So you hate minorities and women. Got it.

    5. R Mac   2 years ago

      Hank Johnson thinks the world might tip over and change your opinion, pedo.

      Now turn yourself in for your crimes against children.

  29. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Fifth anniversary of Janus v. AFSCME.

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/5-years-after-janus-v-afscme-unions-are-smaller-but-more-militant/

    Five years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Janus v. AFSCME that government workers cannot be forced to fund the political agendas of union bosses.

    Most major government unions in Illinois are seeing their numbers drop. Only SEIU HCII can claim an increase in raw numbers, but it negotiates for 91,000 workers across four states and its own documents show at least one-third of those workers have chosen not to be union members.

    Teachers unions – the Illinois Education Association and Illinois Federation of Teachers – lost a combined 9.4% of their members or fee payers.

    And AFSCME Council 31 – the union Janus sued – saw an 18.5% drop in membership.

    This membership loss means about $25 million stayed in Illinois workers’ paychecks and didn’t flow to government union coffers in 2022. But unions have partially offset losses by increasing dues on their remaining members.

    And even though the U.S. Supreme Court essentially took away their forced fees because of their intense politicking, the unions are every bit as political as ever – maybe more so.

    Declining ranks have also forced unions to find backdoor methods to preserve power. In November 2022, Illinois voters barely passed a new amendment that grants government unions power and authority that trumps state law, all under the oversimplified guise of “protecting collective bargaining as a fundamental right.”

    This amendment expanded bargaining to encompass broad, ill-defined terms such as “economic welfare” and “safety at work.” Now that government union bosses know it can pass, unions in other states – Pennsylvania and California, so far – are copying the tactics.

    Public sector unions’ desperate search for influence demonstrates they’re dedicated to using their political power to push their agendas, even at the expense of their remaining members’ interests. The Janus ruling did not end the influence of unions, but it did push them deeper into social militancy and away from working for workers.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      Public unions are an inherent conflict of interest. The members get to vote on who represents both sides at the bargaining table. The courts should void their agreements and make them renegotiate with a party representing management on which they cannot exert influence. If that is not possible, then they should be dissolved.

  30. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    If JesseAz had a job.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QORXxUdnOww

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Ideas!

      Remember folks, Sarcasmic never starts shit, it's everyone elses fault.

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        As if Sarc has a job. Being a booze soaked understudy for Oscar the Grouch doesn’t count.

      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        He heard there's a job opening at Bud Light for an influencer.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      If I didn’t know what a Cuban sandwich was I probably wouldn’t make fun of someone with a joke involving sandwiches and stupidity, but hey, you do you sarc.

  31. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Should border security be a domestic law enforcement matter, or a military matter?

    Show your work.

    1. Nobartium   2 years ago

      Military, on account of the fact that jurisdiction ends at the border.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        So, you are saying you want military because you want them to engage in forays on the other side of the border?

        1. Diarrheality   2 years ago

          And what if Nobartium is saying that?

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Correct, he is saying that. Or seems to be.

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

      Ctrl-F "immigration"

      Nothing.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Ctrl-F "borders" Nothing

        Ctrl-F "democracy" Nothing.

        Ctrl-F "health care" Nothing.

        Ctrl-F "drugs" Nothing.

        Ctrl-F "drag" Nothing.

        Ctrl-F "trannies" Nothing.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Have you tried "Mean girls"?

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            All at once or one at a time?

    3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Militia:

      "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

      invade
      verb
      in·​vade in-ˈvād
      invaded; invading
      Synonyms of invade
      transitive verb

      1: to enter for conquest or plunder
      2: to encroach upon : INFRINGE
      3a: to spread over or into as if invading : PERMEATE
      doubts invade his mind
      b: to affect injuriously and progressively
      gangrene invades healthy tissue

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        So people who cross the border without permission should be treated as military prisoners according to military standards of justice. Is that what you favor?

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;”

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            So every person who crosses the border without permission should be treated as an "invader" and sent to military prison? Is that your position?

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              When people say the military should enforce the borders, they are promoting deadly force.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Well, I was trying to be nice.

                1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                  Gosh, thanks fatfuck.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "So every person who crosses the border without permission should be treated as an “invader”"

              According to the constitutional stanza you're trying to lawyer around, yes.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Fine, so I'll ask you then.

                Should they be treated as “military invaders” and let the military use lethal force against them?

                Should they be treated as “military invaders” and be treated according to military standards of justice and sent to military prison?

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  Why ask that tool anything? You know his answers will be about you, not immigrants or the military.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                    I predict that he will not answer the question directly and will instead play rhetorical games. I am completely in favor of exposing him as the fraud as often as I can.

                    He knows that I have figured him out. Let’s see what he does with that knowledge.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      You're rolling in the mud with a pig. You're just going to get dirty, and he's gonna enjoy it. Why give him pleasure?

                    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I am completely in favor of exposing him as the fraud as often as I can.

                      You don't need to. Look at who replies to his posts.

                    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Umm, you're the clown playing rhetorical games by adding "military" and then demanding an answer about "military" when nobody else mentioned "military" but you.

                      The stanza says "invaders". That can include bandits, border reivers or immigration scofflaws.

                      It's always amusing when you accuse others of doing something that you're actively engaged in doing, and think that you'll manage to trick anyone besides sarcasmic.

                    4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Most of his posts dangle like the dingleberries that they are. If they get a reply there's a 90% chance its from one of four usual suspects who also leave dangling dingleberries. There's nothing to expose. Everyone knows he's an ass. Ignore him.

                    5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Everyone knows he’s an ass. Ignore him."

                      Self-awareness isn't a sarcasmic superpower.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Well, the attentive reader will note that I opened this entire discussion with this question:

                      Should border security be a domestic law enforcement matter, or a military matter?

                      You were the one who decided to jump into this conversation knowing how it was framed.

                      The crux of the question is, who is responsible for dealing with the illegal border crossers?

                      Spiritus Mundi seems to think that they are "invaders" for whom "the militia" should be called to deal with. That sure sounds like a military solution to me.

                      Changing their label to "bandits" instead of "invaders" doesn't change the question of who deals with them?

                      And yet once again, as predicted, you play these games instead of discussing the actual issue.

                    7. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                      Well, the attentive reader will note that I pointed out earlier that you were presenting a false dichotomy, and by demanding we adhere to your false dichotomy, you were playing rhetorical games.

                      "Changing their label to “bandits” instead of “invaders” doesn’t change the question of who deals with them?"

                      ICE. But you already know that.

                      So yet once again, as predicted, you play these rhetorical games while accusing everyone else of the same.

                  2. R Mac   2 years ago

                    And last night you posed a question about drag shows that resulted in you claiming that lewd sexual contact with children isn’t assault, Pedo Jeffy.

                    https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Holy shit, dude! Inceljeffy is one fucked up dipshit.

                    2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                      That needs to be reposted every time that kidfucker wannabe comments here.

                2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                  Sarc, you’re done. Crawl back under your rock, you gutless pussy.

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              No, if they are child molesters they should be executed instantly.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            You haven't answered this question though.
            What do you think should happen to migrants who cross the border without permission?

            Should they be treated as "military invaders" and let the military use lethal force against them?

            Should they be treated as "military invaders" and be treated according to military standards of justice and sent to military prison?

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Chemleft's proposed choices are the only options for dealing with invasions. You can't pick anything else like just kicking them back out.

              Also, notice how he adds quotes to "military", like it's part of the constitution, or someone else said "military" other than him. He's trying to move the definition of invader away from other possibilities like bandits or scofflaws.
              It'll only trick Sarcasmic, but Jeff tries anyway.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                False dichotomy is one of their go-to favorites. As if "repel" always means lethal force. As if the military does not have stricter rules of engagement than police outside of the theater of war.

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Yeah as soon as he added "military” and "lethal force" to the conversation and started to emphasize them, I knew what he was up to.

                  1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

                    He'd just been hanging out w/ the other kids at Sophists R Us and was itching to trot out some fallacies, again?

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                You can’t pick anything else like just kicking them back out.

                In your world, who should be the ones doing the kicking?

                Both Spiritus Mundi and Nobartium think it ought to be the military. Do you agree or not?

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  No. ICE works fine.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

          Oops, wrong spot.

        3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Bigger picture, more philosophical answer is to ask another question: Why is the entire world still so bought into the nation-state model of government that dates back to around 1650? The model has a lot of flaws from a libertarian point of view.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            World government has no downsides - white Mike.

            I dont know how many times you retards need to be told, but open borders in a welfare state is suicide.

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

            And the comment landed in the wrong spot, again. Sigh.

        4. Nardz   2 years ago

          They're not wearing uniforms, so summary execution would be just

        5. R Mac   2 years ago

          He showed his work with his answer. You didn’t with your response.

        6. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          Anyone who crosses the border and proclaims themselves to be an invader, yes. Anyone who comes across the border to enact La Reconquista, yes.

          Anyone who gets off an airplane from overseas at say, JFK, who then runs through the terminal breaks through the passport controls, customs lines, and barriers, is quite likely to get shot. Not sure why someone who cuts a hole in a border fence should get better treatment.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        4: to risk everything in search of a better life

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          A bit of a tangent, but I am hoping that with the decline of US-China relations, Mexico will start picking up a lot more of the manufacturing they have been doing for us, improving life south of the border.

      3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        1: to enter for conquest or plunder
        $148 billion in remittances in 2017

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittances_from_the_United_States

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          How dare they send their hard-earned money to their families? That's the same a stealing!

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          What is wrong with remittances?
          It is the ultimate expression in self-help. It represents individuals choosing to get a job and then support their own families back home.

          They are doing exactly what we want them to do: they are NOT mooching on welfare, their whole family is NOT migrating here, and they are "fixing their home country" by providing their own aid to improve their own living conditions back home.

          1. creech   2 years ago

            And the dollars sent to, say, Mexico eventually come back to buy goods or services manufactured or performed in the U.S. Why do many folks assume the outflow of dollars is stuffed into a mattress or something and never gets spent to eventually buy U.S. goods?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              I know, right?

              What is particularly galling is when someone at a libertarian site tries to claim that if a person trades labor for wages, then those wages constitute illegitimate "plundering" if the government first didn't grant permission.

            2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              It's the same logic as the trade "deficit".

            3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "Mexico eventually come back to buy goods or services manufactured or performed in the U.S."

              You mean China. The US mainly manufactures high end things like aircraft, automobiles and industrial machines. China manufactures the phones, TVs, clothes and appliances that they're spending most of their money on.

              1. creech   2 years ago

                OK, then what does China do with U.S. dollars? If they are never "cashed in" by anyone, then U.S. benefits by getting goods and services in exchange for paper certificates. I'll be happy to give out my i.o.u.s all day if I know they'll never be presented to me for payment.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Remittances don't send products back to a consumer in the US dumbass.

                  1. creech   2 years ago

                    ???

          2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

            "they are NOT mooching on welfare, their whole family is NOT migrating here, and they are “fixing their home country” by providing their own aid to improve their own living conditions back home."

            Objection: assuming facts not in evidence.

            We have no way of knowing *how* they got the money they are remitting. Nor that the money being remitted is *not* being used to fund the trip of the next family members. No one has demonstrated that the monies remitted have ever done anything to improve the contries the money is sent to.

            1. Nobartium   2 years ago

              And given the absolutely insane amounts of cash sent south, a major argument can be made that it's as ineffective as regular foreign aid.

        3. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yeah, that's not what plunder is.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

            plunder
            noun [ U ]
            UK /ˈplʌn.dər/ US /ˈplʌn.dɚ/

            an occasion when goods are stolen from a place, especially violently or during a war, or these stolen goods:

            a situation in which something is taken in a way that is not morally right or is too extreme:

            It is not morally right to ilegeally enter a country, demand residency and work without legal means, displacing legal resdients and immigrants from their jobs

            https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/plunder

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              They're not displacing anyone. Look around. Help wanted signs are everywhere. If anything we need more of these people if we want to get the economy rolling again.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                "Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University in Boston, says 56 percent of the rise in U.S. employment from 2000 to 2005 can be attributed to undocumented immigrants. In the same period, he says jobs disappeared for U.S.-born adults aged 16 to 24 and African-Americans without college degrees. “The greater the influx of illegal immigrants into any state, the greater the employment loss among people under the age of 35, particularly men without college degrees.” 2 The overabundance of unskilled labor in the U.S. has led to a 14.6 percent unemployment rate among high school dropouts in 2009. "
                https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/immigration-and-job-displacement

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  *looks at the 'Help Wanted' signs in the windows of every other business in town*

                  Bullshit.

                2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  You want to find the causes of unemployment among low-skilled workers? Try the minimum wage before blaming immigrants.

                  1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                    A thing may have more than one cause.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      You know why employers choose immigrants over natives?

                      Because they have a fucking work ethic!

                      I can tell you from personal experience that anyone who says Mexicans are lazy has never worked with Mexicans.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Are you saying illegals are popular with employers because of "work ethic" and not the fact that they can avoid labor and wage laws, sarcasmic?

                    3. ducksalad   2 years ago

                      ML, if you want a serious answer, it's not so much inherently superior work ethic as different incentives.

                      They're typically paid by the job rather than by the hour, and purely in money rather than in money+benefits. Therefore they have no incentive to work slowly, actively ask for more work. and they gain no benefits like insurance just by being there and doing the minimum to not get fired. It adds up to the appearance of a very strong work ethic.

                      We could have a philosophical discussion about whether the appearance of a work ethic is meaningfully different than the work ethic itself.

                    4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Makes sense.

                  2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                    Also, there are a hell of a lot of workers in the "underground" or "black market". So, unemployment is actually lower than official figures.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I wish I could find one of those under-the-table jobs. Any legal part-time gig will be taxed as if I got a raise from my regular job, and that just isn't worth the time.

                    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      LOL! People who are "unemployed" and working are either defrauding the government or evading taxes or both.

                    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      I don't think I've ever met a contractor that reports all of their income.

                    4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      I don’t think I’ve ever met a contractor that reports all of their income.

                      How the fuck would you know? Oh, you mean the guy you hire to come paint your hallway? Real contractors don't accept cash and declare all their income to satisfy their obligations to lenders and the government. I am one of the professionals that makes sure that happens.

                    5. ducksalad   2 years ago

                      Been through two hurricanes requiring two new roofs. One job was done all for cash with no paperwork, the other was done by a "real" contractor with a written contract in a glossy presentation folder and city permits and such.

                      Have to say the cash guy got on the job much faster, got it done faster, and required a lot less following up. It's true that I'd be screwed if the roof turned out to be defective, on the other hand he'd be screwed if I declined to pay the second half of the cash at the end.

                    6. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      It’s true that I’d be screwed if the roof turned out to be defective, on the other hand he’d be screwed if I declined to pay the second half of the cash at the end.

                      The first comes down to tolerance for risk. The second comes down to stupidity. The guy just proved he is not afraid of getting caught doing illegal shit and knows your address. And your house is subject to a lien if he doesn't pay the supplier for the materials.

                  3. ravenshrike   2 years ago

                    I mean... you did see that 44% was to other causes right? One of which would definitely be minimum wage increases.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Most remittances are not from illegal immigrants. They are from US citizens or legal residents sending money to relatives in other countries. Only about 20% of remittances come from illegal immigrants.

              https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/united-states-loses-150-billion-annually-remittances

              So at least for those 80% of remittances, there is nothing about their remittances that are "plundering" at all.

              1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                20% of $148 billion is roughly $30 billion. Or about the entire GDP of El Salvador or Honduras.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Okay? Well first things first. Would you agree that the 80% of remittances that come from citizens & legal residents, that they DON'T represent "plundering" by any reasonable definition?

                  1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                    No

                  2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                    I am the legal owner of a legit company, I take 80% of the profits and spend it on hookers and blow instead of reinvesting in the company. Hooker and blow industries benefit but my company dies. Did I plunder the company profits?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      This analogy implies that citizens and/or legal residents have a type of moral obligation to take the money that we earn in this country and spend it in this country, just as a business owner in your example has an obligation to reinvest profits to keep the business going. And I can't accept that claim. Whoever owns the money can spend it however they wish. In fact, what you seem to be saying is that these individuals have a *higher* duty to spend their domestic earnings in the US *before* giving it to their own relatives. That is completely backwards to me.

            3. Zeb   2 years ago

              Once again, I'm pretty sure the first definition is the one that applies here, not the figurative usage further down.

        4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago (edited)

          I’m always loath to call for new/increased taxes of any kind, but it seems a tax or fee on remittances sent out-of-the-country might be one I could support.

      4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Question: if immigrants are trespassers, does that mean that the government owns the places where they live, work, shop and otherwise engage in mutually voluntary activity?

      5. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        3a: to spread over or into as if invading

        2.76 million illegal crossings in 2022
        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Are these the same do-nothing welfare leaches who steal American jobs because they work so hard?

      6. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        b: to affect injuriously and progressively.

        Tax payers had to pony up $4.59 billion in 2022 to support illegal immigrants. Costs that compound over time.

        https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/shocking-cost-the-illegal-immigration-crisis-americans

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          What about the other side of the equation, as in the taxes that they pay into the system?

          They work (they must if they steal jobs) which means they pay income tax and payroll taxes, but they don’t get anything back from the payroll taxes. They buy stuff so they pay sales tax. They live somewhere so they directly or indirectly pay property taxes.

          Did you every bother to add that up?

        2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          This is a lovely thrashing to witness.

        3. Zeb   2 years ago

          It seems pretty obvious that the first definition is what the intended meaning is in the constitution. "execute the laws of the union" seems like the best justification of using the militia to control the border.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

            What part of Article I section 8 gives Congress the power to make immigration law?

            There weren't any laws regarding immigration until 1882, the Chinese Exclusion Act.

            Passports and such didn't exist until WWI and Wilson.

            1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              Section 8
              The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

              To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

              To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

              To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

              To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

              To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

              To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

              To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

              To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

              To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

              To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

              To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

              To provide and maintain a Navy;

              To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

              To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

              To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

              To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

              To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Naturalization is not the same as immigration.

                1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago (edited)

                  Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is granted to a lawful permanent resident after meeting the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

                  https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/citizenship-and-naturalization

                  Naturalization requires congress establish rules for who qualifies for naturalization including what constitutes lawful residency, also known as immigration.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    Naturalization requires congress establish rules for who qualifies for naturalization

                    Yup.

                    including what constitutes lawful residency, also known as immigration.

                    Nope. Naturalization and residency are not the same thing.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  Naturalization is tied to immigration. Don't pretend it's any different.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    That's the same logic that the EPA uses when they say wetlands count as navigable waters because that water eventually ends up in rivers, or the Wickard vs Filburn decision that says not buying stuff counts as interstate commerce.

              2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Naturalization is becoming a citizen. That's distinct from immigration.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                  Holy fuck, yes. Naturalization is deciding who gets to stay and who does not. That is control over immigration, you slackwit.

                  1. ducksalad   2 years ago

                    Naturalization is deciding who gets to vote, serve on juries or public office, hold a US passport, and get the protections the US offers to its citizens when overseas.

                    Like it or not, plenty of people can and do stay permanent residents for their whole lives without naturalizing. That's why they call them permanent residents.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      Cite?

              3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Just wondering, out of curiosity, how many times have you pissed on the Statue of Liberty?

                1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago (edited)

                  It is French, she likes it.

          2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

            Why is it obvious? Show your work.

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              No no, Lying Jeffy only demands OTHERS show their work.

            2. Zeb   2 years ago

              Because in the context of talking about the militia, the kind of invasion that makes sense is the type used for conquest and plunder.
              Anyway, I don't know why you are so hung up on that when it also allows the militia to be used to enforce laws. Argument by dictionary is a very weak argument. Just think about people reading definitions of "regulated" in a contemporary dictionary in the context of the second amendment.

        4. JesseAz   2 years ago

          When arguing with jeff you have to understand words mean what he says they mean. Just like in Alice in Wonderland.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

            Jeff and humpty dumpty have many things in common.

          2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            Pedo Jeffy has always done that. Especially his discredited ‘naturalization is not the same thing as immigration’ tripe.

      7. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        Precedent.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Domestic law enforcement unless there is a war in which foreign soldiers are invading our country, in which case it is a military matter.

      My work is pretty simplistic: military is for war-time matters.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        The Lakota, Apache, Comanche, Arapahos, and Cheyennes might have something to comment on that.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          Almost every generation harbors a nostalgic belief that circumstances were more favorable during their youth.

    5. Dillinger   2 years ago

      100-Mile Border Zone

  32. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Eccentricity isn't a political agenda," suggests Kevin D. Williamson, in a piece bemoaning "the fundamental, inescapable problem of that so-called New Right: its lack of intellectual seriousness."

    Would this be the same Kevin D. Williamson who floated the idea of death by hanging as punishment for abortion?

    #GlassHouses

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  33. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1673694772962230272?t=ZFbeFv_5qzHjGJeraSqQgQ&s=19

    The smart move for the left would be to just let Biden be the fall guy

    No one likes him and it would give the regime some veneer of legitimacy when it puts Trump on trial, but they won’t

    The blatant display of raw power is the point

    The right can discover all the smoking guns they want, it means nothing because the GOP is committed to doing nothing

    The left steals elections, manufactures race riots, takes massive bribes from foreign nations, and they WANT you to know about it

    They flex

    [Link]

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      The smart move for the left would be to just let Biden be the fall guy

      Gavin Newsom isn't doing the Fox News tour for nothing. Granted, Hannity is a fucking idiot and Newsom owned him in that practice debate Hamhead agreed to do.

      But when old Joe slips and breaks his pelvis they do have a backup plan.

      1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

        I'll laugh so hard if the party of "dismantling white male privilege" so we can have "#BlackWomenLead" ends up allowing Newsom to shove Harris out of the way. 🙂

        #DiversityForTheeButNotForMe

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Don’t know if Newsom would be able to win, but his hair is polling at 17%.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          Every time I see Newsome and his hair, all I can think of is American Psycho.

  34. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    They're now coming for your pizza too.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/26/green-new-dealers-come-after-nyc-pizza-over-coal-fired-ovens/

    New York’s green maniacs have come for a Gotham treasure: pizza.

    The city Department of Environmental Protection has drafted insane new rules that could force pizza joints using wood- and coal-fired ovens — the only way to really cook a pie — to slash emissions by up to 75%.

    If a shop can’t afford a filter setup, or the oven/kitchen layout doesn’t allow for installing one, the owners would apparently have to throw themselves on the mercy of the DEP.

    Worse still, some say the filtration systems will alter the taste of the pizza by messing with the temperature and atmospheric conditions inside the oven.

    Look, we get that Green New Dealers hate the finer things in life: gas stoves, steak and air conditioners that actually, you know, cool down your house.

    So it’s no shock they’d come for pizza eventually. (Bagels are surely next.)

    1. creech   2 years ago

      Watch a few of those HGTV multi-million dollar home buying shows and you'll quickly see that all of the entitled NY or LA buyers demand high end gas stoves for their chef kitchens. Electric is for the peons in Wichita or Fargo.

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      The Greens are ultimately motivated by a hatred for humanity and at the root of that, self-loathing.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        AFAICT, anyone that confuses a NY-style pitas for actual pizza, let alone a pie, a burrito for a sandwich, cooking for baking, and CO2 for pollution is just reaping the whirlwind of their own stupidity. Falling on their own sword is the greatest favor they can do the rest of us and we're under no obligation to stop them.

      2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        To be fair, I hate them right back.

  35. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    More than 70 years after Shirley Jackson's short story "The Lottery" was published, "it has retained its relevance across the decades: not because of any obvious message or moral, but precisely because of its unsettling open-endedness," writes Ruth Franklin in The New York Times. "The story works as a mirror to reflect back to its readers their current preoccupations and concerns, which is why readers could see McCarthy in it 75 years ago and Trump in it today."

    Gee, sounds like exactly the sort of navel gazing tripe I'd just love to read. *rolls eyes*

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      We had to read it in elementary school. It's actually interesting and a bit thought provoking. The story is about scapegoating and mob psychology. In it, there is a lottery in a small town. Each person in town picks a slip of paper. The one that is marked "wins" the lottery. The "winner" is then stoned to death by the mob as a scapegoat for all of the troubles of the town for the past year. It's disturbing, and meant to be disturbing.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery

      1. VinniUSMC   2 years ago (edited)

        there is a lottery in a small town. Each person in town picks a slip of paper. The one that is marked “wins” the lottery. The “winner” is then stoned to death by the mob as a scapegoat for all of the troubles of the town for the past year.

        This is exactly how long the story should have been.

        It was not interesting or thought provoking though. And the “death” at the end isn’t even really implied. One person has a big stone, most people have little pebbles. Traditions can be stupid, but hard to overcome. Relating this to Trump (or much of anything really) is the most vapid nonsense I’ve seen recently.

        1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

          Well hold her beer, ENB will be along with more nonsense tomorrow.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          The relation to Trump that I see is that the Democrats and GOPe have chosen him as their scapegoat to stone.

      2. R Mac   2 years ago

        It’s better than that though. The first lottery is one member from each family. Once a family is chosen, every member of the family must draw. This way, a single family will know one of them will die before the final draw.

      3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago (edited)

        I know it means actually reading Leviticus, but a scapegoat gets blamed for everything and then gets set loose, not murdered.

        22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.

        What happens in The Lottery is the ritual sacrifice from which the scapegoat is saved.

        15 “He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people…

        When I was a kid The Lottery was presented as analogous to the military draft, the most notorious of all lotteries. I’m not paying to read the NYT, but I am clueless as to how it relates to McCarthy or Trump at all. The Salem witch trials are a much more appropriate analogy in that they involved targeted persecution, and not impartial randomness.

        The Lottery is only an eye-opener for youth. I am thinking it was assigned in around 5th or 6th grade. Actual adults are well acquainted with situations where you don’t want to be the one chosen. It is also not much of a shocker that people acquiesce to murdering a neighbor the moment they are relieved of the terror of their own name being drawn.

  36. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Pizza and private jets.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/26/green-madness-youd-have-to-burn-a-pizza-stove-849-years-to-equal-one-year-of-john-kerrys-private-jet/

    Environmental bureaucrats are out to save you from pizza.

    But how many pizzas would you have to order to equal just one trip on John Kerry’s private jet?

    In 2021, Kerry’s private jet emitted an estimated 116 metric tons of carbon in less than a year.

    Private jets emit up to 40 times as much CO2 per passenger as commercial flights.

    By comparison, the carbon footprint of a wood-burning stove (a reasonable facsimile of a pizza oven) is barely measurable. The 8 Billion Trees project estimates that the “carbon footprint of wood-burning stoves” can be up to 15.6 grams an hour or 374 grams a day. This is measured in grams, not metric tons.

    You would have to burn that stove for 310,160 days — that is, 849 years — to equal what hypocrite Kerry puts out in a year.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12237833/Pizza-painting-ancient-Roman-ruins-Pompeii.html

      Talk about a pizza history! Archaeologists discover a painting depicting 'an ancestor of the Italian PIZZA' in an ancient house in Pompeii

      1. creech   2 years ago

        Deep dish or crispy thin crust? And did they have pineapples in ancient Rome?

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Mmmmm. Deep dish Hawaiian...

          *ducks and runs for cover*

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            It's your taste buds, dude. 🙂

          2. R Mac   2 years ago

            I make a Cuban pizza. It’s delicious.

            1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

              Do you use real Cubans?

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Yeah, New York is being stupid again.

      But I thought you wingnuts were all for federalism? At least when it comes to the vagina police you are.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Where are conservatives ailing for preemption of ovens? The only ones doing so are democrats and their gas stove regulatory bans.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        a) Sure, federalism here says let NY do it. And let them reap the whirlwind.
        b) Doesn't mean we must never question their decisions, mock them for their stupidity, or be concerned that it represents a future federal government direction.

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    It's a fed!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/patriot-front-white-supremacist-unmasked-suspected-fed

    Here are glimpses of the latest show of “white supremacy,” as captured over the weekend in Oregon, by some real patriots who scared off a contingent of the “Patriot Front,” and unmasked two of them—both literally and figuratively. If (again) “our free press” took a duly skeptical approach to the scare stories pumped out by the government, instead of just repeating them ad nauseam (while trashing anyone who questions them), yesterday’s unmasking would be major news, and not just one more passing flash of truth on Twitter.

    Those interested in learning more about such state-backed performance of “far-right terrorism” (of which the biggest and most consequential was, of course, the one called “January 6”) should look back to the days when such theatrics were concocted to destroy not the far-right but the hard left.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      this is my favorite story of the week.

      That guy has such a shitlib male feminist look to him too.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        That guy has such a shitlib male feminist look to him too.

        I had to watch the video just to see for myself and holy shit you're right. He looks like the kind of "man" who you'd expect to see throwing a temper tantrum at someone for misgendering Dylan Mulvaney.

  38. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Covid vaccine lawsuits in the Great White North, eh.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/over-300-canadian-soldiers-launch-500-million-lawsuit-against-military-covid-vaccine

    Around 330 active or former members of the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) who say they were harmed by COVID-19 vaccine mandates have filed a class-action lawsuit against high-ranking members of the Canadian military, asking for some $500 million in damages.

    The lawsuit was filed against Chief of the Defence Staff General Wayne Eyre, Vice Chief of the Defence Staff Lieutenant-General Frances Allen, Minister of National Defence Anita Anand, former deputy minister of national defence Jody Thomas, and others.

  39. n00bdragon   2 years ago

    "The Constitution does not allow Congress to point at any pot of money and call it 'income' and then income-tax it," Andrew M. Grossman, the Moores' lead counsel, said in a statement.

    Mr. Grossman is shooting his own argument in the foot here by calling it "money". Shares in a company are not money. They are objects. You cannot spend them and their value varies according whatever terms two people might agree to exchange them for at the specific time of exchange. A man living in a house does not become richer if his neighbors sell their house for more money than they bought it. This is just an entirely arbitrary way for the government to demand people fork over any amount of money it chooses.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      Unrealized income is a misnomer. It is not income. Unrealized gains are imaginary (only on paper) until the underlying asset is sold. The government has traditionally understood and recognized the reality that until an asset is sold, there is no cash available to pay the taxes. They have never taxed imaginary income.

      The only thing that has changed is their attitude - fuck you, that's why.

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        They have never taxed imaginary income.

        I might have a quibble with this. The IRS does demand payment of a tax on unsold assets in some circumstances.

        For example, when Barry Bonds hit his "record" home run a kid in the stands came away with the ball. If he kept it, the IRS wanted to tax him on the "reasonable market value" of the ball, even though there's no way to determine the market value of a baseball short of auctioning it.

        Their logic is that an expensive item is a windfall, even if it's technically just a $25 baseball that only becomes valuable as a positional good because of some extraneous circumstance. They think of it like your boss giving you a car instead of $40K so you could buy the car yourself.

        But, if you pay tax on three quarters of a million dollar valuation so you can keep the ball then the guy who hit it turns out to be a steroid popping cheater and its value at an auction declines -- well, sucks to be you.

        It's a stupid and muddy question. Lawyers often debate it. The IRS wants the money up front because, if the owner dies and wills it, the heirs can sell it without paying the tax (up to a limit). I disagree, they could tax a $25 baseball at $25 as they know it's worth that much, but the would not know the real value until it is sold so anything else is a dubious wealth tax. But I've lost arguments with the IRS in the past so...

  40. Nardz   2 years ago

    The DeSantis campaign, yall.
    The worst political campaign in American history.
    There's a reason he keeps dropping in the polls...

    https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1673444638814765056?t=o4ZGJsSklmBjKshCcEJnqw&s=19

    The more time that passes the more I realize:

    Trump actually sucked as president, but every Republican lied to themselves (myself included) and rallied around him for 4 years because we didn't want Democrats to control the country.

    That's what we got though.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1673675961856925699?t=kNXntv29SsnsmE9NwvPV4g&s=19

      There’s a massive subculture of MAGA people who are offshoots of QAnon dead-enders—they think Donald Trump is still the Commander-in-Chief, and he and his VP JFK Jr. are executing thousands of “traitors” at Gitmo. Naturally, actors are playing the roles of all those executed, and the evidence for these claims is found by tracking private flights. The Trump campaign should try to lead these people back to reality, but instead, it leads them on.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      Just out of curiosity, what makes you say these tweets are related to the DeSantis campaign, and not some other group of TDS maniacs?

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Because they come from DeSantis campaigners

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          That would be a pretty good reason, yeah. OK.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        His raging case of TDS.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Or he read the rest of his twitter feed:

          https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy

    3. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1673698816585768961?t=Ifm7inmTtNg6iKBf-LU3LQ&s=19

      The big secret is Trump staffers will tell the same thing. They openly say they do not think he can win a general election.

      What they don’t say is that he’ll take down the entire GOP, which is also true.

      "Kevin McCarthy says he thinks Trump could win the GOP nomination, but doesnt know if Trump is “strongest” candidate for his party.
       
      “Can he win that election? Yeah he can…the question is, is he the strongest to win the election, I don’t know that answer,” McCarthy says on CNBC"

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        both the GOP and America need DeSantis so bad it hurts.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Not if he's just another establishment crony.
          I'm not quite there yet, but his campaign is making a really strong case that he is.

    4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Trump actually sucked as president,

      This is an odd take

      He was a MUCH better prez than as a candidate, by far. I was pleasantly surprised. And much better than anything the Dems have to offer by a mile.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Best POTUS since Silent Cal.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        I'll concur to that. I voted for Gary Johnson the first time around, in 2016, as I wasn't fond of either Trump or Hillary at the time. One obviously was worse than the other. In 2020, I did vote for Trump based on his record. If he's the candidate in 2024, I'll vote for Trump based on his 2017-2021 record and to spite the Donkeys.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Same. I guess that means we were late to the cult?

  41. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

    FYI, Wagner Group’s footprint.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/30269/wagner-group-countries-of-operation/

    This chart shows the countries in which Wagner Group is known/suspected to have been militarily/politically active.

    1. Minadin   2 years ago

      Now do the USA's =/

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      “Since its inception in 2014, it is known or suspected to have been militarily or politically active in numerous countries, centered to a great extent on Africa.
      As described in the Soufan Center report: "Between its graphic brutality in Ukraine, alleged participation in a massacre and violence against civilians in Mali, and its growing prominence in the unstable and violent Sahel region of Africa more broadly, Wagner faces more international scrutiny today than ever before."”

      I was just thinking I need a new rabbit hole to waste some time on.

  42. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1673634920147632128?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ

    John Kerry: The West must hold Putin accountable for Ukraine

    French Reporter: Like Bush for the invasion of Iraq?

    Kerry: No.

    Reporter: But that was a lie.

    Kerry: No... because we didn't know it was a lie.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago (edited)

      *facepalm*

      “We’re not hypocritical, just stupid!”

      Though I have to say I'm shocked that Kerry said no to holding Bush accountable, given how much everyone hated W.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Then they’d all have to be held accountable.

      2. Super Scary   2 years ago

        "“We’re not hypocritical, just stupid!”"

        That seems to be their excuse for everything.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      You'll find John Kerry among the Senators who voted for the AUMF...along with Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, and Joe Biden.

      29 (58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution. Those voting for the resolution were:
      Sens. Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Schumer (D-NY), and Torricelli (D-NJ).

  43. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Still, Winship and Horpedahl face an upward battle because while they are right on the numbers many people feel that they are wrong. Almost every generation harbors a nostalgic belief that circumstances were more favorable during their youth. Moreover, even though people are better off today, social media may have magnified invidious comparisons so everyone feels they are worse off than someone else."

    Look, people are essentially morons. Most of what they think they know is wrong, and most of how they use information and make judgements and decisions is worse than useless. At best, people are highly biased partisans, operating on emotions and ideological faith. And they are very susceptible to rhetoric and propaganda.

    All this makes life easy for activists, both as leaders and as dedicated followers. And it leads to herds that migrate or stampede in foolish directions, including sometimes over cliffs or into pits dug by those who want to consume the herd.

    1. ravenshrike   2 years ago

      Alternatively, their massaging of the numbers is largely idiotic. The fact that your car has backup sensors? Well that means it was a better car than you could have bought 30 years ago, which means you are getting more bang for your buck so the actual cost of the car is cheaper. And hey, power windows and mirrors are now standard. This is among the exercises in non-euclidian logic by which they reduce the cost of thriving.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Except everything about cars are more expensive. I bought a Honda Civic in 1993 that was a standard with no power anything and got 50+ mpg. I bought another Civic in 2001 that was a standard with power and barely got 30 mpg. Ten years later Honda was no longer offering a manual transmission except in their high end models.

        I couldn't believe that the manual/auto made a difference of 20 mpg or that Honda was getting worse at making small cars. When I investigated, I discovered the car weighed an additional 800 pounds. The difference is the safety improvements. A cheap, lightweight, fuel efficient car does not do well in a collision with an SUV.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yeah, more and more required safety and emissions features are driving up car prices. How about let people make a choice on whether they want to pay more for safety features? Probably racist, I'm sure.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            They're trying to compensate on the truck side now by putting in shitty twin-turbo setups and "hybrid" trucks. Even Toyota is getting in on the act now and abandoning their bomb-proof 5.7 L V-8 in the Tundra, which was famous for going hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance, for a 3.5L turbo and a hybrid, all for a difference of about 5 mpgs at best.

            And yeah, the Civic is absolute shit compared to what it was in the 90s. Honda's build quality has plummeted since they started stuffing all the electronics and safety shit in their models. We had an Odyssey that we had to give up at 125K miles because it was literally falling apart; we actually had a taillight pop out on us as we were pulling into the dealer to trade it in. Toyotas stayed so reliable mainly because they are so fucking conservative that they never want to change anything, which is ironic for a company that mainstreamed hybrids.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Oh, and don't forget the diesels, which used to be incredibly reliable but now require a stupid DEF tank that eats up the sensor inside because of the uric acid in the DEF fluid.

            2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

              which was famous for going hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance

              Obligatory. I know, not exactly the same model of truck, but still.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Cars are not better and cheaper in the same way that TVs are better and cheaper. In TVs, features (resolution, scan rates, inputs, "smarts") have gotten measurably better and costs have actually gone down. Cars, not so much. Mandates upon mandates add features not everyone wants and costs that ratchet one way.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

  44. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    The Moores forgot they live in a [Na]tional So[zi]alist conquered nation and *all* money the Nazi's can STEAL with Gov-Guns for their 'poor' lazy palls is justice to them. [WE] mobster Gangland justice 🙂

    The Moores seem to think the USA is suppose to have a very minor tax proportioned justly (non-gangland style) and used only for National DEFENSE instead of aggressive "armed-theft" (softcore code-named - wealth distribution).

    Should be interesting to see if SCOTUS actually rules in favor of a USA or a Nazi-Empire. Once upon a time before the 16th Amendment the DEFENSE bill went on foreign markets where it probably should've mostly stayed. There isn't a more reasonable place to tax a National Defense entity than on foreign markets.

  45. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Eccentricity isn't a political agenda," suggests Kevin D. Williamson, in a piece bemoaning "the fundamental, inescapable problem of that so-called New Right: its lack of intellectual seriousness."

    Why should the left have all the childish fun?

  46. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Schools seek to define social media platforms as public nuisances."

    Is this Newspeak for seditious heresy?

  47. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

    GOP presidential candidate @RonDeSantis says under his administration, he would change rules of engagement to allow for deadly force to be used against illegal immigrants cutting through border wall.

    A completely honest and accurate representation of what DeSantis actually said.

  48. SRG   2 years ago

    Forgetting about economists' definitions, income then and now required cash flow - else it is not incoming! However, a repatriation of funds from an offshore entity to the parent is income.

    I predict that the decision will be a sausage.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      I spotted the commie

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        Who? Where?

  49. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

    With every passing day, Senator McConnell looks better and better = preventing Merrick Garland from getting on SCOTUS

    Can you imagine if that principle-less man ever got near SCOTUS?

    Senator McConnell virtually stood alone on that decision. That took balls.

    1. SRG   2 years ago

      Stood alone except for all those other GOP senators and general right-wing hostility to Obama - not exactly a profile in courage.

      1. ducksalad   2 years ago

        He was the one who took public "ownership" of the decision and took most of the heat. I give him credit for it, and in hindsight it is definitely credit.

  50. Sevo   2 years ago

    Fun with Numbers, example #N
    "This California county is most expensive in U.S. for renters, and it’s not SF"
    [...]
    "SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) — A small surfing mecca has catapulted in rent prices over pricey San Francisco. According to a newly-released annual report by the National Low Income Housing Coalition, Santa Cruz County is now the most expensive area for renters in the United States.
    The 2023 Out of Reach Report’s list calculated the hourly “housing wage” needed to rent a modest two-bedroom rental home in Santa Cruz. For Surf City, it’s $63.33. A “housing wage” is the wage needed to pay rent without spending more than 30% of a household’s income.
    Data released in the report shows Santa Cruz is the most expensive area, in the most expensive state, in America..."
    https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/this-california-county-is-most-expensive-in-u-s-for-renters-and-its-not-sf/#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20newly-released%20annual%20report%20by%20the,in%20Santa%20Cruz.%20For%20Surf%20City%2C%20it%E2%80%99s%20%2463.33.

    Let's invent some bogus formula whereby we can claim a low-income area to be very expensive!

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      in their defense santa cruz is very expensive with no good jobs in the area.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Yep, cherry-picking worthy of turd; pick a low-income county with one expensive town; hey, presto!

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          it's primarily because of being a college town though. this rent situation is true in just about every college town in a low-pop county. So, yeah, it's unremarkable.

          Do Boulder next. lol

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Boulder isn't expensive because it's a college town; that's more incidental to the NIMBYites there tamping down residential development to preserve their precious views of the Flatirons.

            Provo is honestly a better example; there's height ordinances on apartments there, so rent is bone-crushingly high and they tend to get packed with bodies that tear the place apart. My best friend lived there in the late 90s-early 00s, and there were something like seven or eight guys packed into the tiny three-bedroom apartment where he lived.

  51. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...“These are the papers…this is secret information” Trump can be heard saying..."

    He was pointing to his shopping list, but, hey, it's CNN, right?

  52. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>But if the court rules in favor of the Moores, it could have widespread implications

    love a 16th repeal.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Repealing the 16th would be the greatest most impactful single thing we could do as americans to restore liberty.

      And thus it will likely never happen. sad face

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        we'll always have Repeal the 16th! bumper stickers to turn to.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      How would it lead to that? As chemjeff says, please show your work.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        And he’s a douche when he says it too.

      2. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I will show my work the day you prove you understand hyperbole.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Oh, I understand it all right. It’s used all the time around here.

          I think what you are really asking for is for me to overlook all the conservative victimhood narrative hyperbole that is shoveled out by commenters here.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Speak for yourself there, eh.

  53. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>"The story works as a mirror to reflect back to its readers their current preoccupations and concerns ...

    do they pay Ruth Franklin by the word @NYT?

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      ENB is an exemplar of having little to no self awareness.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        Ruth thinks mirrors require explanation.

  54. mad.casual   2 years ago

    ROFLMAO!

    ENB: "Why is it so easy for people to believe doomer narratives?"

    Also ENB in the same, fucking post: "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, pledges that if he's elected president, he'll authorize extrajudicial killings on American soil."

    1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      Are you surprised? ENB has been pushing her(?) preferred agendas and connected narratives, misrepresenting and lying about them since she's been at reasonmag. She's capable of objective journalism, but chooses to be unethical. I suppose the same is true of a good portion of the staff, but ENB has the daily round-up of news, so her influence is pretty unfortunate for reason.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        “She’s capable of objective journalism”

        Cite?

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          see ... here it's proper.

  55. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Almost every generation harbors a nostalgic belief that circumstances were more favorable during their youth.

    ya. 70s & 80s were the fucking bomb. 90s trailed off a bit & idkwtf is going on in this century ... I blame 9/11

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      ^ This is absolutely correct. If you know you know

  56. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    First, if the court sided with the Moores, it could mean that companies that have been paying the one-time tax may be able to seek refunds totaling hundreds of billions of dollars.

    please god, please let this happen. this will cause the greatest river of lib tears in my lifetime.

  57. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    CNN has obtained the audio of a 2021 recording in which Trump brags about having highly classified documents after leaving office.

    If you think this is all about documents you are not gonna make it

  58. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "Eccentricity isn't a political agenda," suggests Kevin D. Williamson, in a piece bemoaning "the fundamental, inescapable problem of that so-called New Right: its lack of intellectual seriousness."

    It's scared.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      does somebody still pay him money or does he solo-post for the true zero value of his opinions?

  59. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Serious question for the group, and way off topic... but when did The Washington Post get into the political narrative comedy game? Seriously, like when does a serious newspaper produce Yuk-videos about a political party?

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      doesn't Bezos the Clown still own wapo?

    2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      When Bezos bought it.

      The NYT went bad with the first boomer Sulzberger taking over. He ran it like one of those freebie guerilla papers that sprang up in the sixties, pretending it wasn't an establishment paper.

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      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        So yeah, I didn't believe it when I heard it, but I was told that if you searched for the terms:

        hunter biden plea deal

        In the youtube search bar, the top hit would be an unfunny WaPo skit video about how the Hunter Biden Plea deal was a nothingburger and Trumpy Republicans keep pushing it... in the format of a Remy-style LOL Video.

        It wasn't #1 in my list, but it was #2, literally and figuratively.

        But the thing that blew me away the most is... it's produced by the Washington Post.

        You'd think the Washington Post would have learned what the consequences of hiring "young, inexperienced" reporters is.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          The corporate press is all just propaganda now.

  60. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    "Divorcing income from realization opens the door to new federal taxes on all sorts of wealth and property,'" warned 9th Circuit Judge Patrick Bumatay in a dissent from the appeals court's decision not to rehear the case en banc.

    I assume this argument relates only to the federal government.

    1. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Like taxing inventory.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        this is like taxing you for being tall.

        1. Eeyore   2 years ago

          That is the retained height tax. Or the short person reparations tax.

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            take that, Randy Newman!

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Yea, states can tax you for breathing if they want to.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        "(If you drive a car, car) I'll tax the street
        (If you try to sit, sit) I'll tax your seat
        (If you get too cold, cold) I'll tax the heat
        (If you take a walk, walk) I'll tax your feet
        Taxman"

        1. tracerv   2 years ago

          Sweet guitar solo by McCartney in that one.

  61. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    Almost every generation harbors a nostalgic belief that circumstances were more favorable during their youth.

    Yeah? Well, almost every generation harbors a contemptuous view of their elders’ belief that circumstances were simultaneously more arduous and better during their youth!

    What a tone deaf take during Pride Month. I guess only gay people suffer false memories of unfavorable conditions with good humor these days.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Wow, I forgot it was Pride month, what with all the submersible disasters and armies-who-were-getting-their-asses-kicked-and-stalled-out-on-the-road-to-kyifffff marching on Moscow as Putin hides in a bunker, trembling.

  62. Dillinger   2 years ago

    the Barbie movie looks fucking hysterical.

    1. tracerv   2 years ago

      I have not seen the trailer.

      In a good or bad way?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        doubleplusgood. lol'd at more than one trailer

  63. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

    An idea to solve this unrealized income tax problem:

    Unrealized income is subject to unrealized taxes, which will be paid in unrealized money. The unrealized money will be tracked by accountants, but they will do unrealized accounting, which is quite cheap and efficient.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      all followed by unrealized government spending. This is brilliant

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      ^^ Two thumbs up.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I love it! Can unrealized money be legal tender for unrealized debts.

  64. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    If the case leads to a simpler straight forward income tax, I say go for it. While the government could lose a significant of amount of revenue it would force Congress back to focusing on the taxing of income and setting those at appropriate levels for the government service being provided.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      It'll just try to raise taxes on what it's getting away with taxing now, look for new tax streams, and borrow more. Mostly borrow more.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      While the government could lose a significant of amount of revenue,

      As if this would be a bad thing

  65. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    "32 percent of voters have a positive view of Vice President Kamala Harris, while 49 percent view Harris negatively"

    Should I be disturbed that 19% of voters view her neither negatively nor positively? By the way, is "nagatively" a word? Asking for a friend ...

    1. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

      I would be more concerned about the 32% that view her positively.
      They are stupid, while the 19% of voters view her neither negatively nor positively are just complacent and don't care.

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    3. Dillinger   2 years ago

      that's the 19%.

  66. Liberty Lover   2 years ago (edited)

    All rich people are evil, greedy and must be taxed for their wealth. All poor people are virtuous, generous and should only be taxed on a very small amount of income if any at all.
    Studying hard, working hard, working long hours, and innovation have no value!
    Why would we reward that?

    1. Homer Thompson   2 years ago

      effort increases your carbon footprint!

  67. emkcams   2 years ago

    "Almost every generation harbors a nostalgic belief that circumstances were more favorable during their youth."

    This seems to always be true. I wonder if this is a key part of human nature: while the trials of growing up are not-insignificant, the trials faced by society while one is growing up seem to pass easily, while the trials faced by society while one is an adult, do not pass so easily. So the idea that "those where the days" is basically a self-inflicted lie.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      "The future is uncertain and the end is always near."--Jim Morrison.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      This seems to be true of my Dad's youth over mine. The 90's were great, but the 60's in Canada were better.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        It's been all downhill since switching (partially) to metric. 😉

      2. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I'll always thank Canada for Rush and the Mackenzie Brothers.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

          Take off, eh?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jm4LoOaAWI&t=105s&ab_channel=kr580

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      If you want some real laughs, listen to a Zoomer talk about how easy the Boomers had it, as if stagflation, Vietnam, the 1983 and 91 recessions, dotbomb, and the housing bubble collapse were somehow the days of milk and honey.

  68. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

    'More than 70 years after Shirley Jackson’s short story “The Lottery” was published, “it has retained its relevance across the decades: not because of any obvious message or moral, but precisely because of its unsettling open-endedness,” writes Ruth Franklin in The New York Times.' The obvious moral and message is what makes the story stand out, and why it seems to resonate w/ so many. It's also why the story can be an effective horror story, and why it was frequently selected in pre-progressive groupthink days as a school reading assignment. Franklin not the brightest bulb among the dim bulbs at the nyt, one suspects.

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    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      The obvious moral and message is what makes the story stand out

      Only someone completely ignorant of the effect the Vietnam era military draft had on the country could write something as vapid as Ruth Franklin - or quote it.

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        Very true. It was written in 1948. The nation was definitely affected by the draft, but sending men overseas to die for their nation.

        Of course, that dumb fuck sees Trump in it... how? What exactly does Trump have to do with the Lottery? I mean, other than this chick is parroting the dogma like a Catholic's response during mass.

  69. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Why is it so easy for people to believe doomer narratives?"

    Like crack, the snowflake generation is hooked on panic. And like the cartels, the DNC-media industrial complex will do everything, including violence, to keep them hooked.

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