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Congress Had Questions About the CDC Stifling Dissent. Rochelle Walensky Refused To Answer.

Plus: Court using anti-pornography software to track a criminal defendant, $25 million verdict against Starbucks over fired employee, and more...

Robby Soave | 6.15.2023 9:36 AM

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Rochelle Walensky, the outgoing director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), faced tough questioning from House Republicans on Tuesday, when she appeared before the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic.

Rep. James Comer (R–Ky.) grilled Walensky about the CDC's communications with social media companies—Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, in particular—during her tenure as the head of the federal agency chiefly responsible for battling COVID-19.

As reported in Reason's March 2023 issue, Walensky's CDC routinely communicated with content moderators and Facebook, recommending aggressive takedowns of purported misinformation about mitigation efforts, COVID-19's origins, and vaccines:

According to a trove of confidential documents obtained by Reason, health advisers at the CDC had significant input on pandemic-era social media policies at Facebook as well. They were consulted frequently, at times daily. They were actively involved in the affairs of content moderators, providing constant and ever-evolving guidance. They requested frequent updates about which topics were trending on the platforms, and they recommended what kinds of content should be deemed false or misleading. "Here are two issues we are seeing a great deal of misinfo on that we wanted to flag for you all," reads one note from a CDC official. Another email with sample Facebook posts attached begins: "BOLO for a small but growing area of misinfo."

These Facebook Files show that the platform responded with incredible deference. Facebook routinely asked the government to vet specific claims, including whether the virus was "man-made" rather than zoonotic in origin. (The CDC responded that a man-made origin was "technically possible" but "extremely unlikely.") In other emails, Facebook asked: "For each of the following claims, which we've recently identified on the platform, can you please tell us if: the claim is false; and, if believed, could this claim contribute to vaccine refusals?"

Comer's questions got straight to the heart of this matter. Unfortunately, Walensky declined to directly comment on it.

????????????@CDCDirector Walensky hides behind the guise of ligation to avoid answering Oversight Chairman @RepJamesComer's questions.

Rep. Comer: Did @CDCgov work with social media companies to censor dissent about vaccines?

Dir. Walensky: *excuses, excuses, excuses* pic.twitter.com/HoGMeHc7o9

— Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic (@COVIDSelect) June 13, 2023

Walensky's defense for not answering was that the CDC is party to pending litigation involving the suppression of speech on social media; the state of Missouri has sued the federal government over its role in pressuring social media companies to stifle COVID-19 dissent. The downside of the lawsuit, unfortunately, is that it provided Walensky a pretext for keeping quiet when questioned by Congress.

Walensky also fielded questions about the teachers unions' role in keeping schools closed during the pandemic, and this time, she answered. The former CDC director confirmed that the American Federation of Teachers fought to establish a policy that would automatically close schools that surpassed certain COVID-19 thresholds—and that the CDC rejected this policy.

.@RepBradWenstrup: "Did the AFT provide suggested edits to the CDC's February 2021 school opening guidance, including a trigger to automatically close schools that, if implemented, would have kept more schools closed and kids out of the classroom?"@CDCDirector Walensky: "Yes." pic.twitter.com/ngWlSn7Qt0

— Americans for Public Trust (@apublictrust) June 13, 2023

On this matter, Walensky's testimony provides an even stronger case that if the teachers unions had had greater control over pandemic policy, schools would have stayed closed for longer.


FREE MINDS

Wired reports on a disturbing case of the justice system using anti-pornography software to track a criminal defendant:

Prosecutors in Monroe County this spring charged Hannah's husband with possession of child sexual abuse material—a serious crime that she says he did not commit and to which he pleaded not guilty. Given the nature of the charges, the court ordered that he not have access to any electronic devices as a condition of his pretrial release from jail. To ensure he complied with those terms, the probation department installed Covenant Eyes on Hannah's phone, as well as those of her two children and her mother-in-law.

In near real time, probation officers are being fed screenshots of everything Hannah's family views on their devices. From images of YouTube videos watched by her 14-year-old daughter to online underwear purchases made by her 80-year-old mother-in-law, the family's entire digital life is scrutinized by county authorities. "I'm afraid to even communicate with our lawyer," Hannah says. "If I mention anything about our case, I'm worried they are going to see it and use it against us."

Covenant Eyes is part of a multimillion-dollar market of "accountability" apps sold to churches and parents as a tool to police online activity. For a monthly fee, the app monitors every single thing a user does on their devices, then sends the data it collects, including screenshots, to an "ally" or "accountability partner," who can review the user's online activities.

For Hannah's family, their Covenant Eyes "allies" are two probation officers in Monroe County's Pretrial Services Program charged with scrutinizing their web activity and ensuring that Hannah's husband does not violate the terms of his bond while using one of his family members' devices.

The defendant's wife told Wired that she worried the court was essentially using the software to entrap her husband; her kids worried that any questionable use of social media on their part could get him in trouble. Her 12-year-old son asked her, "Mom, will Pocket Mortys get dad in trouble?"


FREE MARKETS

On May 29, 2018, Starbucks closed 8,000 stores for a day in order to subject its employees to racial bias training. This dubious move came in response to an incident at a Philadelphia-area Starbucks in which an employee called the police on two black customers who had refused to leave. Their arrests were caught on video and went viral, drawing outrage—and allegations of racism—on social media. Starbucks fired a white regional manager in connection with the episode.

But earlier this week, a federal jury ruled in favor of the fired employee, who had filed a discrimination complaint. The jury awarded the employee $25 million, according to The New York Times:

The jury found that Starbucks had violated the federal civil rights of the former manager, Shannon Phillips, as well as a New Jersey law that prohibits discrimination based on race, awarding her $600,000 in compensatory damages and $25 million in punitive damages.

Laura Carlin Mattiacci, a lawyer for Ms. Phillips, said she and her client were "very pleased" with the unanimous verdict, adding that "she proved by 'clear and convincing evidence' that punitive damages were warranted" under the New Jersey law.

A Starbucks spokeswoman declined to comment.

At the time of the episode, Ms. Phillips oversaw about 100 stores in Philadelphia, South Jersey, Delaware and parts of Maryland. She had been promoted to the job in 2011 after what she called her "exemplary performance" in six years as a district manager in Ohio.

Ms. Phillips said in the suit that Starbucks, as part of its damage-control effort after the arrests, had sought to punish her and other white employees in and around Philadelphia even if they had not been involved in the events that led to the police being called.

Ms. Phillips said she had thrown herself into the company's efforts to restore its credibility and had sought to support hourly workers, organizing managers to staff stores and cover for employees who were scared to run a gantlet of protesters.

Amid the image-burnishing campaign, Ms. Phillips said one of her superiors, a Black woman, told her to suspend a white manager who oversaw stores in Philadelphia, though not the one in Rittenhouse Square, because of allegations that he had engaged in discriminatory conduct — allegations that Ms. Phillips said she knew to be untrue.

Read more here.


QUICK HITS

• Miami Mayor Francis Suarez is entering the 2024 Republican presidential contest.

• Cornel West is running to be the Green Party's presidential candidate.

• Journalist Michael Shellenberger believes he has identified COVID-19's "patients zero" at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

• The manager of a Harvard Medical School morgue has been charged with selling body parts.

• Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill to protect car dealerships' monopoly.

• Daniel Penny has been indicted for the chokehold death of Jordan Neely on the New York subway last month.

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Comer's questions got straight to the heart of this matter. Unfortunately, Walensky declined to directly comment on it.

    Someone in DC refusing accountability???

    1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Subpoena, then hold in contempt and imprison. The Sergeant at Arms can conduct her to the holding cell at the House until she answers the questions directly and under oath. That is the treatment she should receive, in a just world.

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      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        Who will do that?

        Massie just voted against the censure of Schiff, and before that voted to raise the debt ceiling.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          In his defense, he thought the fine was excessive. He had no problem with the censure at all. And I doubt he'd have a problem with a fine. But one that is many multiples higher than their salary might be a bit much.

          1. rbike   2 years ago (edited)

            Net result would be a Schiff bankruptcy. I would be fine with that. Straight up lies like Schiff’s deserve this.
            Massie should be fine with that. They just send out excuses.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Exactly. Massie explained as much over on Twitter.

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              "Oh no, it'll set a bad precedent!"
              Because totalitarians have been totes restrained by lack of precedent...

              They fly the flag of progress over the Whitehouse to signify conquest, and you're taking refuge in the constitution and precedent?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                As much as I'd love to punish Schiff and destroy him, what are we if we lose our principles? Are we no better than the progtards then?

                1. Nardz   2 years ago

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                2. Witch-Burning Nazi   2 years ago

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          3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

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          4. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago (edited)

            Totally. It’s the bridge too far crap that always seems to happen. A straight censure would have passed. But no, they had to stick on a fine too thus eliminating its ability to be passed. Now Schiff gets to claim a victory.

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              Schiff gets to claim a victory because Massie and 19 other Republican "representatives" voted to lose to him.

          5. Nardz   2 years ago

            It's inexcusable because it betrays a fundamental lack of understanding where we're at in this country, or lack of willingness to fight totalitarianism.
            The message sent wasn't one of noble principle but rather base submission and weakness. He voted against consequences for Schiff's crimes, no matter how he tries to spin it.

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      3. Davy C   2 years ago

        Yeah, being in a lawsuit is a good reason to not *want* to talk about it, but it's not a valid reason to refuse a subpoena. This isn't like taking the 5th.

      4. B G   2 years ago

        In a just world, someone else would be testifying to the committee as the "outgoing CDC Director" because she'd have been fired within an hour after the phrases "as a mother" and " sense of impending doom" came out of her mouth during an official press conference where she was speaking on behalf of the CDC and the Federal Government. The real dereliction is on the part of anyone who had the ability to fire her for that degree of incompetence at what had become the most important part of her job and failed to do so within 24 hours.

        The time for speaking "as a mother" is when you're talking to your family in private, and the time for the CDC Director to use the words "impending doom" is when the country is literally being overrun by zombies or when a virus with an 80%+ morbidity rate (as opposed to a 99.5% full recovery rate) is spreading unchecked.

        Trading the mental and societal health of an entire generation for "flattening the curve" for a virus which posed very little danger to anyone under 50 years of age was never a good policy, and any leader who used a position of authority to impose that trade on the public after the initial period of total chaos when the "experts" were laying the groundwork for their disinformation/censorship campaigns should be facing criminal charges at the very least. A short list would seem to include names like Newsom, Cuomo, Trudeau, Fauci, Weingartem, Walensky, Daszak, Zuckerberg, Mohan, Dorsey, and Biden (although he might have a valid defense in that he was simply following instructions and wasn't actually aware of the context of any of the public remarks he'd been instructed to read from the prompters).

    2. JFree   2 years ago

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      Management of the interstate compact is done via states seconding people to run a board - not by the exec branch in DC. In this case, likely their own health/medical people.
      Oversight of the compact is done by BOTH Congress and the state legislatures. Funding CAN be done by both - or can be quite nominal if the only function is sharing information.
      The primary function of this CDC dept in an interstate compact would be as a 'staff' function. Maybe they can't even do advisory - but they sure as fuck can't do execution and no one in DC can ever be held accountable by anyone outside DC
      Most of the offices, employees, etc would be distributed widely around the US and not concentrated in DC
      There is no real mechanism for mandates in an interstate compact because a state can always withdraw from said compact.

      3/4 of the federal government could be transferred to this sort of form. I don't understand why libertarians NEVER advocate it. Though I understand why the Rothbard/Rockwell types will always remain stuck in the stupid wing of R.

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  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The downside of the lawsuit, unfortunately, is that it provided Walensky a pretext for keeping quiet when questioned by Congress.

    Don't want to answer to Congress? Get someone to sue you!

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Also the same reason the FBI and DoJ refuse to talk about Biden corruption. Just a 5 year+ "investigation". Of course it only took 4 months to go after Santos.

  4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Journalist Michael Shellenberger believes he has identified COVID-19's "patients zero" at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    No, Duh!

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Stop being a conspiracy theorist.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        As soon as this interpretation stops being a conspiracy. (Give it 2 months.)

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...the American Federation of Teachers fought to establish a policy that would automatically close schools that surpassed certain COVID-19 thresholds—and that the CDC rejected this policy.

    The CDC simply took that meeting solely to fight the teachers unions and get your kids in school!

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      This is the kind of thing you get when you put chicks in charge.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Seriously. They carry the nanny genes and can't help trying to fix us.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        You're not wrong

  6. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Is there a single thing that works for the cdc nih or fda that doesn't deserve a firing squad

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      No. Line them all up.

  7. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

    I'm really starting to believe in the crazier conspiracy theories.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      I switched to the “Men in Black” the tabloids are the true source model.

      1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        isnt that what the brits do?

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Hell, at this point, they probably have better journalism than the typical media.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          And better page 3 girls. (Is that still a thing?)

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            At least they were actually girls.

    2. Anomalous   2 years ago

      They aren't theories, they're actual practices.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      Yeah, who had Lyndon LaRoche, Oliver Stone and David Icke were all right, for their 2023 bingo?

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Just wait a few months and all your crazy beliefs will be sanctified as serious news.

  8. JesseAz   2 years ago

    A lawyer for Georgia GOP Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger recently told a federal court that officials would not install security patches on Dominion Voting machines until after the 2024 presidential election. Weaknesses in Dominion's machines have been verified by federal cybersecurity officials who have recommended that states using the software upgrade their systems.
    .
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    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Once again, it looks like Trump was on the right track.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      We don't need election entering. 100% accurate and no fraud.

      Majority of voters now believe fraud have affected past elections and will affect the 2024 elections. Including more than 40% of democrats. But let's keep opening up avenues to fraud instead of fixing the system.

      https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/election_integrity_most_voters_expect_cheating_will_affect_2024_outcome

      The pollster’s most recent survey, published on Wednesday, found that 56 percent of respondents believe officials have dismissed allegations of cheating and voter fraud that could have influenced electoral outcomes. This sentiment was shared by 44 percent of Democrats and 74 percent of Republicans.
      .
      The survey also found that 52 percent of likely voters think that fraudulent activities influenced the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections, which resulted in a far less successful night for Republicans than most pollsters had anticipated. Notably, this view was also shared by 41 percent of self-identified Democrats.
      .
      Approximately 69 percent of Republicans and 46 percent of Democrats are expecting cheating in the 2024 elections, an alarming figure that will inevitably undermine trust in America and its democratic institutions.

      https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/06/14/rasmussen-54-percent-expect-cheating-voter-fraud-in-2024-election-n761590

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Election integrity*

      2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        They'll claim with a straight face that the correct results were provided and bypass what they actually mean by "correct".

        1. Nardz   2 years ago (edited)

          But Kemp and Rafsenberger are totes conservative heroes! They won GA by so much. It’s all Trump’s fault GA’s national votes went to the Ds!

      3. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago (edited)

        Literally wrote about this yesterday.

        https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/republican-voters-trump-or-desantis

        I’ve said it couple times already and I’m sure I’ll say it again — you don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to steal from a multi-billion dollar company like Walmart, you just need to know where the holes in the company’s security are. (Pro tip: Seattle is one of them.)

        In that vein, you don’t need to be a criminal mastermind to steal an election, you just need to know where the integrity holes are — an easy prospect when you’re the one who opened them in the first place. The “best” part about this scheme is that you can continually scream ‘THERE’S NO PROOF OF ELECTION FRAUD’ when the system is designed to eliminate the ability to gather proof of election fraud. (And when there is proof, nothing happens anyway.)

        Both Trump and DeSantis are doing a disservice to the American people by ignoring the giant elephant in the room. Instead, we’re supposed to pretend that the Swamp won’t do in 2024 what they’ve done in 2020 and 2022. What kind of sense does that make?

  9. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    The jury found that Starbucks had violated the federal civil rights of the former manager, Shannon Phillips, as well as a New Jersey law that prohibits discrimination based on race, awarding her $600,000 in compensatory damages and $25 million in punitive damages.

    FINALLY found an excessive jury award I'm not annoyed by.

    1. Minadin   2 years ago

      It may have been a slam dunk because, you know, as a regional manager overseeing 100 or so stores, she wasn't even present for the incident.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Like that matters. Apparently I owe reparations for things people not related to me did 200 years ago.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          An argument I made recently. If African countries that did not exist hundreds of years ago cannot be put on the hook for reparations, why should I, who ALSO did not exist hundreds of years ago, be put on it instead?

        2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          Me too, and my ancestors didn't even come to this country until after 1900.

        3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          And what of us, who have some ancestors who fought for the Union and against slavery? Are we supposed to pay reparations as well as shed blood?

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            My family (on one side) emigrated from Europe to Indiana in the late 1850's / early 1860's and pretty much immediately joined the Union Army of Indiana to fight the South.

          2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

            "And what of us'

            You mean the Northern Aggressors?

            1. Minadin   2 years ago

              Fort Sumter was asking for it. Shouldn't have worn that dress.

  10. Rich   2 years ago

    Unfortunately, Walensky declined to directly comment on it.

    Well, to be fair, it *is* an ongoing investigation.

  11. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago (edited)

    If the fed is going to be in education the rule should be if a single member of your school is in a union you don’t get fed money

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      There are no rules

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Better rule: if you are in a public service union, you lose the right to vote.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Yep. Pick one side or the other of the negotiation table.

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        if you are a government employee, period. union or otherwise

  12. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Illegal immigration has no cost as medicaid spending on illegal immigrants doubles to 7B a year.

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/medicaid-spending-illegal-immigrants-more-doubled-fy2021-7b-house-homeland

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      Illegal immigration has only positive economic impact and never costs anything. Open borders uber alles.

  13. Rich   2 years ago

    Ms. Phillips said one of her superiors, a Black woman, told her to suspend a white manager [due to] allegations that Ms. Phillips said she knew to be untrue.

    And the superior was charged with a hate crime, right? RIGHT?!

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      If the colors were reversed they would dismantle the whole company and stand back watching as antifa burned down every location.

  14. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Flashback. Analysis of the 15 million Joe transferred from an S Corp to his personal accounts still doesn't match known income sources from his book deals. 5M is unaccounted for from known income sources. Almost like he was bribed with 5M

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10728521/Financial-records-reveal-Joe-Biden-5-2million-unexplained-income.html?ito=native_share_article-top

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Math is racist.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Says Black Barbie. White Barbie used to say "Math is hard!"

        1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago (edited)

          Says Black Barbie
          Bam-ba-lam

    2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      I'd like to care, but we know nothing will come of this. This shit will go unfettered until we the people end it. And I don't mean at the ballot box. The ballot box is just another example of a lost cause in the US.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Oh, boy, here we go… will be watching for Northern Idaho man, Robert Something, in the news.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          You know we the people are voters right white Mike? You defended actual BLM riots but then attack those not committing violence.

        2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          Jesus man, you don't even speak against the corruption. You wholeheartedly approve of open government corruption, as long as it is done the Democratic Party.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            In that case, Laursen should move to Illinois. Open corruption, and done primarily by the Democrats to enrich themselves and to keep themselves in power.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Or Venezuela.

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

            What, like, if I make dramatic declarations here in a comment forum that influenced nothing I’ll be achieving some great protest against the system?

            You have no idea what my beliefs are. Your comment yesterday attributed about five or six political positions to me that I have never held.

            What your comments reveal about you: you are highly partisan and don’t actually listen to what other people say — and you are a socially-isolated hothead.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              What, like, if I make…

              Mike is a valley girl.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                "Tosses his head
                And flips his hair
                He got a whole bunch of nothing in there"

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              That one stung you, didn't it, fascist.

              Good.

            3. JesseAz   2 years ago

              So his comments reveal who he is... but your comments aren't what you really believe? Explain.

              1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

                This will roll off him like HO2 off a duck’s back

        3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          You should commit suicide. You are malignant and make the world a worse place to live. And no one could possibly ever love you.

          So do it. Deep down you know I’m right.

      2. Ride 'Em   2 years ago

        The old saying is: Liberty is preserved through four boxes, soap, ballot, jury and cartridge in that order.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          And the woke are attacking liberty with that same progression, and are somewhere between jury and cartridge.

  15. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    " . . . recommending aggressive takedowns of purported misinformation about mitigation efforts . . . "

    . . . recommending aggressive takedowns of the truth about mitigation efforts . . .

    There you go, all better now.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Her 12-year-old son asked her, "Mom, will Pocket Mortys get dad in trouble?"

    Aw, jeez.

    1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      That’s Mortytown.

    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Sounds suspicious to me.

  17. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Joe's booming economy

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/number-americans-filing-jobless-claims-124029199.html

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      And my large telecom company is laying off probably around 7,000 next Friday.

      Odds are including me.

  18. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    If you're a parent, getting out of California might just be the thing to do.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/14/now-california-is-criminalising-parental-love/

    California is on its way to becoming the world’s first trans dystopia. A bill currently before the California Senate says parents who fail to ‘affirm’ their child’s gender identity should be classified as ‘abusive’. What’s more, in custody battles, says the bill, judges should think twice before granting custody to the supposedly cruel parent who refuses to accept that his or her kid has switched sex or become non-binary or whatever. Judges should ‘strongly’ err on the side of giving custody to the mum or dad who genuflects to their offspring’s gender beliefs, for this is essential to ‘the health, safety and welfare of the child’, the bill says. The days when parents could get away with being ‘hurtful’ are gone, said a California assemblywoman.

    This bill, if passed, would fundamentally redefine family life in California. It would devastate parents’ rights. Your rights over your children – to love them, to look after them, to socialise them as you see fit – would be utterly contingent on your acceptance of the new state religion of transgenderism. AB957 is best seen as an act of forced religious conversion. It sends a stern message to parents across California that if they do not sign up to the cult of gendered souls, to the cranky belief that even young children sometimes feel a mismatch between their ‘real’ gender and their cursed biological casing, then they’ll be treated as the morally lesser party in custody hearings. Your worth as a parent will be determined by how willing you are to take the knee to the gender beliefs of your superiors.

    There are other bills, too. Assembly Bill 665 would allow kids as young as 12 to seek mental-health treatment and other forms of counselling without parental knowledge. Assembly Bill 223 would seal any petition for a gender change filed by a minor – in short, keep a kid’s legal efforts to become a different gender hidden from his parents. These bills add up to an intolerable encroachment into family life where it would no longer be mother who knows best, but government. Children across California will pick up on the sinister message these bills send. Namely, that your parents can be evil people. Their archaic belief in biology is a species of prejudice. Their insistence on calling you ‘son’ even after you’ve said you’re a girl is cruel and transphobic. So trust us, instead. Flee into the arms of the state. We are better parents than your own.

    So it’s great to see parents in California rising up. This week mums and dads protested at the State Capitol in Sacramento. One placard said: ‘The state does not love your children – don’t let it parent them.’ We need to talk about love. It is not bigotry or phobia or abuse for a parent to refuse to ‘affirm their child’s identity’ – it is an act of parental love. It is a loving parent who protects his or her children from the disorienting and destructive impacts of the gender hysteria. Who protects their kids from the horrors of stalled puberty. Who protects their daughter from hormonal interventions that will break her voice and interfere with her fertility. Who protects their possibly gay son from the homophobic notion that maybe he’s a girl and should be turned into one. California is threatening to criminalise the most fundamental of motherly and fatherly instincts – to shield one’s children from harmful ideas and practices. Making love a crime is a new low, even in today’s woke dystopia.

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago (edited)

      California is on its way to becoming the world’s first trans dystopia

      California is a dystopia. Stealing children from parents is the natural order in a dystopian society.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      this was always coming, with the gender cult calling misgendering "violence" and "life threatening"

      You can line up accept the left's ideology, or lose your kid in a custody battle for your "violent, abusive" behavior.

      Bend the knee and lose your kid to the cult now, or they will take them away and guarantee it

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        I'd like to think there are millions of parents that would not only die for their kids, but would happily kill for them.

        No NAP violation required.

        1. Witch-Burning Nazi   2 years ago

          I'd like to think so too. Prepare to be disappointed.

        2. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

          The Covid response leaves me unconvinced this will actually happen.

        3. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

          You would think so, but how many parents lined up to jab their kids?

        4. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          There might be a few dozen. The state will eliminate them quickly.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      get your kids out of public schools. That's the primary source of this contagion. private schools in the bolshevik regions arent much better though

      1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        Ya, it really depends on the parents that make up the school.

        We have a really great public school option in an adjacent county. As you can imagine that county is very red, middle to upper middle class, R voting whypeepo (bigots, I know) that dont want this shit anywhere near their kids.

        The public schools in our blue dot city are what you would expect...DEI, pride, CRT, all the fixins. But the private school in the same area that the well to do yuppies send their kids to (which is exorbitantly expensive) is selling pretty much the same stuff, just a little less in your face about it. There are a LOT of AWFL moms with high income husbands sending their kids there, and this is what you get.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      It takes a village to take your child.

    5. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      So what happens when CA Child Protective Services shows up with some court order to take away someone's children because of a misgendering crime violation, and the parents violently resist? Does anyone seriously think this will not happen?

  19. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    The manager of a Harvard Medical School morgue has been charged with selling body parts.

    What was he charging? ( Asking for a friend.)

    1. Rich   2 years ago

      An arm and a leg.

      *** rimshot ***

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        awesome 🙂

    2. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      I knew beef was expensive, but...

      1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

        Pulled Long Pork BBQ sammiches!

        1. Eeyore   2 years ago

          Fresh, never frozen.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Is that friend one Dr. Frankenstein?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        That's Fronkensteen.

  20. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/AdamJohnstonAPL/status/1669292584190058496?t=iAcWvKRU4-pnm4xs8jiPgw&s=19

    Our society has drifted so far away from a basic understanding of morality and the common good that any attempt to restrict individual choice is viewed as authoritarian.

    The founders understood the difference between “liberty” and “license.”

    Libertarianism is really libertinism

    [Link to Reason article]

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      Libertarianism permits libertinism, but they are not one and the same.
      He also seems to assume that libertarians have the same "basic understanding of morality" as he does.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Did California pass a law putting his morality above of the parents?

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Is that what he's referring to? I don't know.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        Reason represents your brand to the masses, zeb.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          What is my brand in your mind?

  21. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    Parody is obsolete, Exhibit #1,610

    Sports should be genderless and just grouped by height/weight class but men are too afraid to lose to women

    This one I honestly cannot tell if it's parody. Never heard of this person and the follower count is below 20K.

    But it's fascinating what progs will talk themselves into since they begin with the premise "Of course it's 100% fair for transwomen athletes to compete with ciswomen!"

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Grouping by height/weight class is segregation, and segregation is bad.

      1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        if the left gets their way, grouping by skin color would be most preferred

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          If the left gets their way, sports will be outlawed. Keeping score is white supremacy.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      I really am all for this. No genders, group people however you want, and lets see how it goes.

      Then we are guaranteed to see:

      - Top tier league will always be dominated by biological men
      - Junior leagues will be a mix of the lesser biological men and a small handful of transwomen
      - Women will be relegated to intramural status, and never make any team of note.

      In the end, Top tier leagues will be the only one people care about, and if women even get a team, it will be underfunded and no one will care about it because its significantly less fun to watch them play...so exactly how things are now.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      Especially in boxing!

    4. Minadin   2 years ago

      LOL at Robby's buddy Ryan Grim:

      "Why not one category that's open to all genders and one that's limited to cis girls/women? Then everybody gets to compete."

      That's what we have NOW, Ryan.

      Or had, until the trans cult took over womens' spaces.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Is there any sport where women would outperform men, aside from groin punches?

      1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

        Gymnastics?

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Right. Ever been on a balance beam, guys? Ouch.

        2. D-Pizzle   2 years ago

          Guess again.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvz3F4HP170

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Figure skating?

        1. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

          I doubt this very much. Male skaters are still much stronger than female skaters, allowing them to jump higher and do more cool shit.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            But the judging is very subjective and done on finesse more than strength.

      3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Makin’ sammiches?

      4. ducksalad   2 years ago

        There are a few sports where they might have at least parity if equal numbers gave it a shot.

        Competitive eating (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonya_Thomas)
        Shooting sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snipers)

  22. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/1669321592730517504?t=srDQIeQjGx_-dTdE6tVzTQ&s=19

    This was always planned as the final step in the forced transition to EVs (i.e. the end of personal transportation as we know it.) They'll just use fascist financial policies to eliminate loans for gas cars and make gas harder to buy.

    [Link]

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Meanwhile they're shuttering the nuclear power plants and banning hydroelectric dams that make the EV usage possible.

      The world is run by demons who hate humanity.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Greta?

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Just the way Koch likes it.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_3227124e-0b78-11ee-9599-97d6d9962e84.html

    At least 1.2 million people have been apprehended or reported evading capture at the southern border in the first five months of this year, according to data obtained and analyzed by The Center Square.

    The estimate is based on official apprehension data reported by U.S. Customs and Border Protection as well as gotaway data. A Border Patrol agent provides this data exclusively to The Center Square on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. Gotaways are those who illegally enter the U.S. and intentionally seek to evade capture. Border Patrol agents report those who have illegally entered and evaded capture based on several factors. CBP doesn’t publicly report gotaway data.

    In the first five months of this year, illegal border crossers combined totaled at least 1,216,256. That’s greater than the populations of Montana (1,139,507), Rhode Island (1,090,483), Delaware (1,031,985), South Dakota (923,484), North Dakota (780,588), Alaska (732,294), Vermont (647,156) and Wyoming (583,279).

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Yeah, but most of those places are in flyover country.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Delaware, Rhode Island, and Vermont are definitely out of the way places.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      OK, which of those needs their political demographics "corrected"?

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Big fat liar.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_644837d6-0af5-11ee-b061-fbb1df35609b.html

    Illinois residents continue to leave the state, according to the most recent U.S. Census data. One analyst says some residents are going for warmer weather, while others are crossing the border to rid themselves of the state's high taxes and crime.

    U.S. Census Bureau data on state-to-state migration released last week shows that Illinois gained 4,000 residents from nine other states. But about 150,000 left for other states. That means 146,000 Illinoisans on net left in 2021.

    In April, Gov. J.B. Pritzker denied continued reports from the Cebnsus Bureau, the IRS and elsewhere that Illinois’ population is shrinking. Pritzker and other Democrats point to a Post Enumeration Survey released last year that indicated the state was undercounted in the 2020 Census by nearly 2%.

    "This new Census data confirms what we've seen from U-Haul, from United Van lines and from IRS data, and that's that Illinoisans are leaving the state," Dabrowski said. "They are leaving and going to other states that are providing better opportunities for Illinoisans."

    The top state to which Illinoisans have been flocking is Florida. However, many have decided to leave Illinois for other states in the region.

    "These are Midwestern states. They have their Midwestern rust belt problems. The problem is Illinois has just become so uncompetitive," Dabrowksi said. "I mean, think of gas prices. Missouri gas prices are around 75 cents cheaper. It's why people cross the border to get their gas. It's also cheaper in Indiana and Wisconsin."

    Not only have people moved out of Illinois, but over the past year, Boeing, McDonald's, Citadel and other businesses have reduced their corporate footprints in Illinois.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      It’s not a problem, they will just raise taxes on the fools that stayed.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        And then raise taxes on everyone everywhere though federal bailouts.

    2. rbike   2 years ago

      I live just across the border. Several coworkers live in Illinois. Often the discussion involves when they are moving here

  25. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The jury found that Starbucks had violated the federal civil rights of the former manager...

    Is 25 mill enough to put another nail in DEI's well-earned coffin? Will DEI finally DIE?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      No, skin color will remain the most important thing

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Marxism is the most important thing. Skin color is just a tactic.

    2. hokey   2 years ago

      Now we know why they tore down all the pride stuff in the stores this week.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      No, Blackrock and Vanguard will make them whole.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Miami Mayor Francis Suarez is entering the 2024 Republican presidential contest.

    Florida!

  27. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Cornel West is running to be the Green Party's presidential candidate.

    He hasn't even made general yet.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      http://instantrimshot.com/

  28. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Journalist Michael Shellenberger believes he has identified COVID-19's "patients zero" at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Name that bat-eater!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      People doing research on bat viruses always have fresh bat for lunch. It is known.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Ozzie Osbourne?

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Are you trying to tell me it escaped from a virology lab and not the farmer's market 200 meters away?

      I don't know, what do JFree and White Mike think?

  29. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The manager of a Harvard Medical School morgue has been charged with selling body parts.

    Planned Parenthood might find an open position for her.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Does she support eugenics?

  30. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Daniel Penny has been indicted for the chokehold death of Jordan Neely on the New York subway last month.

    Get out of cities. The Bolsheviks are in full control and you will NEVER be treated fairly under the law in their domain.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Not that I think any of them should be charged, but notable that the black man who held his arms and helped keep him in that chokehold was not indicted.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        FAKE NEWS!

    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      All decent men need to get out of blue cities immediately. There is no place for you there.

  31. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Escape, and not just for pina coladas.

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinoisans-of-every-age-income-bracket-moving-out-of-state/

    Those who left the state between 2020 and 2021 also reported 23% higher income growth than those who moved into the state. That indicates leaving Illinois provided better financial returns than moving here.

    Particularly troubling is 64% of residents lost on net were from tax filers age 26-54 and their dependents. Those ages 65 and up represented only 14% of Illinoisans who left the state while 5% were below age 26. That contradicts the idea Illinois’ migration problems were solely because high school graduates attended college out of state.

    The IRS data likely underestimates Illinois’ losses, because 32 million households (18%) nationwide don’t file federal tax returns. Changes in filing activity can prevent matching up tax returns year-to-year.

    Despite more and more data confirming Illinois has a serious exodus, Gov. J.B. Pritzker and other Illinois politicians continue to deny there is a problem. In addition to tangible evidence of Illinois’ outmigration crisis from the IRS, new surveys of Illinoisans show 51% would leave the state if given the opportunity. The main reason Illinoisans want to leave the state: high taxes.

  32. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1669330597536210951?t=x8Gl02e_WeGfi79LxynDtg&s=19

    Poem on the London Underground celebrating "colonization in reverse" through mass-immigration.

    [Link]

  33. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/federal-agencies-routinely-spy-phone-calls-texts-emails-american-citizens-experts-say

  34. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Difficult to detrans.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/how-us-billing-rules-make-detransitioning-a-hotel-california-nightmare/

    There are dozens of medical-billing codes for so-called “gender-affirming care,” the label for treatments for patients transitioning to a new gender identity.

    By contrast, there is not one billing code for the health care that a growing number of “detransitioners” are seeking — that which helps patients safely cease gender-transition therapies and reclaim their biological gender.

    But despite an emerging number of people regretting their gender transition, there are no medical-billing codes reflecting management of patients who have checked out of gender-affirming treatments or any codes specific to detransition care.

    Biologically female and no longer identifying as a man, Katie has sought medical care to assist her with myriad ailments resulting from gender-affirming care but faces the obstacles many detransitioners face: The care she needs has no codes so it does not officially exist within the health-care system.

    Soon afterwards, Katie realized her dysphoria was not rooted in a need to be male, and she began to detransition.

    But detransitioning was not as seamless as her female-to-male gender transition.

    Gender-affirming surgeries are usually covered by insurance benefits, but surgical reversals of gender-affirming procedures are often deemed medically unnecessary and are excluded from covered services.

    Camouflaging gender detransition within the maze of medical-billing codes signals that detransitioners don’t exist — but Katie and others like her know otherwise.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      "By contrast, there is not one billing code for the health care that a growing number of “detransitioners” are seeking — that which helps patients safely cease gender-transition therapies and reclaim their biological gender."

      Duh. Why support traitors?

      1. rbike   2 years ago

        Why should my insurance pay for either of this? Why aren't adults in charge?

    2. Eeyore   2 years ago

      Health insurance should never cover these cosmetic surgeries. It is good that insurance doesn't cover breast augmentation and make lips look like a duck procedures. One breast surgery leads to two surgeries leads to a lifetime of surgeries.

      Once you remove a part you don't get it back. Once you cut a part you change it forever.

    3. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

      I’m confused. Why isn’t it exactly the same code?

      Changing from a woman to a man is a transition.

      Since a trans-woman is factually a woman, all the way back to correcting the birth certificate to indicate that she always was a woman, then when she later decides to become a man, it is clearly just a transition.

      Calling it detransition is effectively misgendering since it implies she was somehow not absolutely a woman. But don’t worry, you're not in trouble. Such things are tolerated here.

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        Good points.

  35. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1669000478053777408?t=SxOHJ0usT4zG3gcu7VkBWw&s=19

    Another great find of totally grassroots infinite Ukraine war supporters

    [Links]

  36. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

  37. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/TheDAGWOOD13/status/1668992166474002433?t=7L67Dp3CO9Oko45XroGj-w&s=19

    William Barr Reveals He Had Intimate Knowledge of Biden Ukraine FD-1023 Investigation in Summer 2020: Failed to Notify the Voters - The Billings Report

    [Link]

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Barr continued his faith in the FBI throughout the entirety of his term under Trump. It was his worst quality by far.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Barr is corrupt as hell

  38. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Daniel Penny has been indicted for the chokehold death of Jordan Neely on the New York subway last month.

    Prosecutors better work hard to keep subway riders off the jury. Any straphanger who's been exposed to the unchecked crazy there is going to be sympathetic with the defendant.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Or anyone with common sense.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        So, a jury of only Democratic elites (or their hired help)?

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Where else are you going to find right thinkers?

      2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        Well, this is NYC.

  39. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/keithwoodsyt/status/1669330597536210951

    Poem on the London Underground celebrating "colonization in reverse" through mass-immigration.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Well, I do appreciate Indian casinos on reservations as a just form of revenge.

  40. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    After Mass Layoffs, Silicon Valley Renews Lobbying Biden to Lift Cap on Foreign Workers
    https://www.leefang.com/p/after-mass-layoffs-silicon-valley

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Fiona smiles.

  41. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12197185/A-totally-unforced-error-Trump-REJECTED-lawyers-attempts-settle-classified-documents-case.html

    Trump stubbornly REJECTED lawyers' attempts to settle classified documents case as furious advisors claim they were misled into believing boxes contained only newspaper clippings and clothes
    Donald Trump's lawyer Christopher Kise advised him in the fall of 2022 to begin speaking to the attorney general to try and settle and avoid a prosecution
    The year before, in the fall of 2021, another lawyer, Alex Cannon, urged the former president to hand over the documents
    Trump repeatedly refused all entreaties and was federally charged with obstruction of justice - which analysts say could have been easily avoided

    You mean he had years of warning before finally being charged with a crime? No, that's not possible. This is a political prosecution that's purely political because politics.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Looks like Trump wanted a confrontation.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Oh. The victim wanted the confrontation. Not the state initiating it.

        Good point Mike.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Just look at what he was wearing. Just asking for it.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        That's what I'm thinking. First he gets his followers to lose faith in elections by falsely claiming fraud, then he allows himself to be charged with a crime so he can falsely claim to be a victim of political prosecutions.
        There's no telling what long-term damage he's done to this country by getting people to lose faith in institutions. All just to stroke his ego.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          For a dummy, he sure is a mastermind, huh?

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          Crawl back under your rock you goddamn pussy. Who the fuck let you out?

        3. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Yep, it totally wasn’t things like that Time Magazine article laying out how they “fortified democracy”.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Warning for what crime sarc? From a liberal judge:

      Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed:
      .
      “Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records."
      .
      Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.”

      So per current holding it was Trumps decision and NARA had no mandate or authority to force the record collection.

      So in your view a cop can make an illegal warning then arrest you for not listening to the illegal warning?

      That’s not how the law works.

      The law does also not state “we will ignore it if you just follow our demands.”

      Do you even understand youre literally arguing FOR selective prosecutions?

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        Imagine being dumb enough to think this is actually about document retention lol

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Imagine being dumb enough to think all of this would still have happened if he'd have just given the stuff back when asked.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            LOL at your lack of understanding.

          2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago (edited)

            It’s almost painful at this point, the claims of victim blaming.

            How is it that Trump is supposedly this big time fighter who will fight the deep state and stand up for the little guy, yet is he is constantly cast as a victim of circumstance with no ability to control anything and absolutely no agency.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              Are you asking why a single person immediately put under legal scrutiny by entrenched bureaucracy couldn’t unwind everything in 4 years so he deserves prosecutions? Trying to understand your argument here. Government abuses against individuals have existed forever. But we should ignore it this time because someone talked tough to them?

              How many of the actions against him did he have agency for outside of complying with bureaucracy?

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                That's a slimy shit with a raging case of TDS right there.

          3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

            ^ case in point

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Glad to see you're so much smarter than his attorneys.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                I dont even know what this means. His attorneys are citing the same holdings.

          4. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Yes. The idiot leftists like yourself believe we should unconditionally do what the state mandates. Also ignore the half dozen other attempts to get him for something. Quite a retarded argument you've made.

  42. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    EXCLUSIVE: Whistleblower exposes hospital for performing genital sex change surgeries on minors
    https://www.libsoftiktok.com/p/exclusive-whistleblower-exposes-hospital

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      No, no. Mike and Jeff have both informed us that's impossible.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      But, White Knight Mike said that's unpossible as it just isn't happening.

    3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      fuck I mean we already knew this was happening, but its hard to see it in writing.

      Like going back in time and watching a lecture on how to correctly lobotomize someone, and the perfect place to drill through their skull for optimal results

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        It isnt happening if you ignore all the instances of it happening. Ask Mike.

  43. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Guy goes to a strip joint and tips with Monopoly money.
    Chick says "Hey, that money's fake!"
    Dude says "So are your tits!"

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Ideas!

  44. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    To succeed in womens sports you either need to be hot or have a dock. Hooray for feminism

    The NCAA Has a ‘Hot Girl’ Problem
    https://www.thefp.com/p/the-ncaa-and-the-cavender-twins

    The Twins get their appeal. And even though they think it’s unfair that the mostly black top scorers in women’s college basketball make less than they do—including Louisiana State University’s Angel Reese and Flau’jae Johnson—that’s not stopping them.
    “Obviously, everyone brings something different to the table. I think that all women should be empowered in a male-dominant world, especially minorities,” Haley says.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Hot women might be privileged. Breaking news.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Not when the 5th gen feminist equality laws take effect.

    2. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

      To succeed in womens sports you either need to be hot or have a dock.
      Damn privileged water-front property people!

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Hot women are indeed in the minority. Let's get some affirmative action going on here.

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago (edited)

        Save Bud Light!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqoYvlEZis

  45. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources
    The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill
    https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid-19

  46. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    A bit "boaf sidezy", but what does happen when that confidence is lost?

    https://zerohedge.com/political/trumps-indictment-and-collapse-confidence-our-institutions

    Democracies cannot thrive – and may not survive – when citizens lose confidence in their basic institutions. That is exactly what is happening in America today. This loss of confidence and a bitter ideological divide are our country’s most profound challenges. Those challenges form the essential backdrop for understanding the controversy surrounding Donald Trump’s indictment.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Nothing good will come from losing faith in institutions like elections and courts, and all of the blame rests squarely on Trump's ego.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Ha Ha
        Trumps is sarc’s Goldstein

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          I can't remember any libertarian ever advocating for blind faith in institutions. Democrats say it all the time though.

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            That’s the beauty of it. No libertarian is saying it now. Just that broken, drunk pussy Sarc.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Well, why else have a nanny state?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        One of the dumbest things ever stated here. Requires one to ignore every conservative win since 2000.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Consider the source.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        It's not faith so much as confidence, i.e. I have confidence in my bank, but I don't have blind faith in them.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          Faith, confidence, whatever. When people don’t have it in basic societal institutions, they take things into their own hands. You know, like J6. And who knows what will happen after this court case. If he’s found guilty you can be certain that his followers will not accept the verdict. Then what? Open revolt? Install Trump as dictator so he can smite his enemies? That always works out well...

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            Why have faith in exposed corrupt institutions dummy? All those Venezuelans should hold onto their faith right? Just ignore all abuses. What the fuck are you trying to argue?

            Trump was the elected head of an institution for 4 years and you supported every lie against him. So you mean only dem controlled institutions apparently.

      4. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Hahahahahahahahaha

        Please tell me you don’t really believe that.

  47. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Where'd Biden's money come from?

    https://zerohedge.com/political/gop-where-did-joe-bidens-10-million-windfall-2017-actually-come

    In light of recent revelations from whistleblowers, including the fact that the FBI hid evidence that the owner of Burisma made 17 blackmail tapes of the Bidens, who were allegedly paid $10 million ($5 mil to Hunter, $5 mil to Joe), Republican lawmakers want to take a closer look at Biden's tax return, according to Breitbart.

    According to CPA Jerry Allison of Allison Financial Services, it's "common" for personal tax returns to omit line item income of a person's S Corp entities - however House investigators should be concerned over the lack of detail in light of last week's allegations about taking a foreign bribe while VP.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Do you really think he paid taxes on a $5 million bribe?

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

        Probably at least partially. He's not a carpenter doing odd jobs under the table. $5M in cash is pretty hard to use. You need to launder it.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        It looks like he did.
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10728521/Financial-records-reveal-Joe-Biden-5-2million-unexplained-income.html?ito=native_share_article-top

        But the president's financial filings reveal that he declared almost $7million more income on his tax returns than he did on his government transparency reports, an analysis by DailyMail.com of the president's financial records shows.
        Some of that difference can be accounted for with salaries earned by First Lady Jill Biden and other sums not required on his reports – but still leaves $5.2million earned by Joe's company and not listed on his transparency reports.

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          I have doubts that this amounts to anything.

          Why not have a nice snap impeachment and find out?

  48. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Obama’s Personal Investment Deals Mirror Tax Strategies He Once Criticized
    Exclusive details on how Obama’s business deals are designed to minimize tax liabilities.

    https://www.leefang.com/p/obamas-personal-investment-deals

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      He’s not paying his “fair share”?

  49. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1669349358104616965?t=q3uwwKJXC8UL4TjFcK97TA&s=19

    A highly trusted confidential source told the FBI that Burisma’s president was rattled by Trump’s victory, fearing an investigation would reveal the Burisma executive’s bribes to the Biden family, which included a $5 million payment to Hunter Biden and a $5 million payment to Joe Biden.

    According to the source, whose recollections are contained in a report the FBI tried to hide, the Burisma executive said the Bidens had “coerced” him into paying the bribes, and that he had recordings of his conversations with Joe Biden himself.

    [Link]

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      And us funding the war there is a total coincidence.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

      I sense a tragic suicide coming on.

  50. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Irony Alert!

    CNN's Jake Tapper told his audience that the network wouldn't air Trump's speech because live because "he says a lot of things that are not true and sometimes potentially dangerous."

    Keep in mind 20 minutes prior he had on Russia collusion hoaxer Andrew McCabe.

    Imagine being a CNN or MSNBC viewer and thinking "Good, now I won't have to hear words that are 'potentially dangerous' to me".

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Words and ideas are dangerous. We need our betters to protect us. We are stupid.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Shut up Fauci. Nobody is listening any more.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Analogous situation on MSNBC, with chief Russia-gate sleuth Rachel Maddow telling people they refuse to air things that are likely untrue.

      You seriously cant even parody them anymore.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        They should be like FOX and admit to making up stories and pushing them as the truth.

        1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

          I dont remember FOX refusing to air a contrary opinion and preemptively labeling it as lies/false, and doing so to protect its audience from untruths.

          FOX is an obvious R-friendly outlet. They dont hide it. And yet, they are once again out-propaganda'd by the "just the facts, just looking for truth" outlets who are supposedly righteous and good.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            I was talking about FOX intentionally telling lies about voting machines in order to get Trump supporters to lose faith in elections.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Oh wow sarc

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              I am talking about you pushing trump russia lies from most of media for 4 years.

              And the fact you ignore decades of democrats pushing the lie of voters infringement and stolen elections just shows you're a partisan retard.

          2. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

            But someone said something mean about his lefty boos! He must defend!

        2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          What story was that?

        3. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Did fox give themselves awards for telling lies?

          Just fucking admit you're a neocon/democrat already. This is getting embarrassing.

  51. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Hamtramck says no to LGBTQA+BBQWTF displays on public property.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigan-city-votes-against-allowing-pride-flags-public-property-contentious-council-meeting

    The Hamtramck City Council voted Tuesday to ban Pride flags from public flag poles due to opposition from religious groups who disagree with the ideology represented by the symbol.

    "We want to respect the religious rights of our citizens," said Councilmember Nayeem Choudhury, Fox 2 Detroit reports.

    The entirety of the Hamtramck City Council is Muslim, and approximately 40% of residents were born in foreign countries.

    "You guys are welcome," said Choudhury. "Why do you have to have the flag shown on government property to be represented?"

    "You’re already represented. We already know who you are," he added.

    The motion allows for the flying of five different flags on public property: the U.S. flag, the Michigan flag, the Hamtramck flag, the Prisoner of War flag and a unique flag representing the nations from which many Hamtramck citizens hail from.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      When I was growing up Hamtramck was like 98 percent Polish. But good on the Muslims for calling this out.

      1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

        Clearly, they're just White Supremacist Muslims.

      2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Those Catholic Poles would probably have voted the same way.

  52. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/AlexanderGRubi2/status/1668954771670138880?t=TQQ2xduzZvgkW0kS2EAtYg&s=19

    Every country has their own flavour of humour. The British are famous for the absurdist and wry puns. The Americans have pratfalls and physical comedy. The Germans are famous for... nevermind. Anyway, if there's a particularly Russian sense of humour, it's trolling:

    [Video]

  53. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Why are all the ugly girls from the same country? Like where even is [picture]?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Beauty is unfair! Also racist.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        That's why masking is so important.

  54. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    This could be problematic for the bears in trunks theory.

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230614/Being-not-up-to-date-on-COVID-19-vaccination-linked-to-lower-risk-of-Infection-study-suggests.aspx

    Recent research has not been able to document the efficacy of the bivalent vaccine, while the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) XBB variants were the dominant circulating strains. Given that these viral variants remain the dominant circulating strains, it is reasonable to ask whether “up-to-date” individuals, with a vaccine of inconclusive effectiveness, are protected against COVID-19 as compared to their not “up-to-date” counterparts.

    The risk of COVID-19 was lower in the “not up-to-date” group as compared to the “up-to-date” group. On analyzing tertiles of propensity to get tested for SARS-CoV-2 infection, the not “up-to-date” group was not more likely to contract COVID-19.

    The current study reports that being not “up-to-date” on vaccination was associated with a lower risk of COVID-19 than being “up-to-date.” These findings demonstrate the challenges of gauging vaccine protection when efficacy wanes over time and the method of classifying risk is only based on the receipt of a vaccine of questionable effectiveness.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Coming soon: Pfizer's new vax remover. Only $299 per shot.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Would you then be transvaxxed?

  55. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    Covfefe

    Has anyone ever been able to decode the Zodiac-Cipher-level phrase of the ‘one word’ that America can be described in??

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      I thought it was "plantation".

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        No it’s “racist”.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Tomato-tomahto

  56. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Hey, if the CDC has the authority to manage private housing they certainly have the authority to manage private information.

  57. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Indict Walt Nauta? Why Not the Biggest Liars First?

    Special Counsel Jack Smith has now indicted him for allegedly "making false statements in interviews with the FBI." The indictment's subtext is that Nauta refused to cooperate with, and turn state's evidence to, the special counsel in its efforts to convict Trump by saying "I don't know".

    But why stop the indictments with a man who loyally served...?
    Are there not far bigger fish to fry to remind Americans that justice is blind?
    After all, when Smith announced his indictments of Trump, he lectured America on the rule of law and the cherished notion that no one is above it.

    So let us start with the former interim director of the FBI itself, Andrew McCabe...

    McCabe admittedly lied four times about his illegally leaking sensitive information to witnesses and mishandling classified information...

    Yet Walt Nauta may be sent to prison while McCabe will continue to earn a fine salary at CNN as a paid "expert" to deplore . . . what exactly?...

    Nauta reportedly is being indicted for claiming he "did not know" what he supposedly did know in relation to the movement of the president's papers.
    His denial was proffered with nearly the exact phraseology that another FBI director, James Comey, used under oath when he stonewalled congressional inquisitors on 245 occasions... Was the FBI director ever indicted for feigning ignorance or amnesia before Congress?

    Did Nauta ever record a private, and likely classified, conservation he had with the president of the United States in the White House, and then leak it to the New York Times? That is precisely what James "Higher Loyalty" Comey bragged about doing.

    Most recently, Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm admitted that she, too, recently lied while under oath to Congress when she denied owning private stocks... She deliberately misled Congress about potential conflicts of interest involving her stock portfolio.

    Let us end with the greatest exemptions of all - those accorded to Hillary Clinton...
    One, she illegally transmitted classified information involving national security over her own unsecure server while serving as secretary of state.
    Two, she destroyed both email records and communication devices that were under government subpoena.
    Three, she was untruthful about both the use and destruction of said subpoenaed items.
    Four, she illegally hired a foreign national, Christopher Steele, to work on her campaign as an opposition researcher.
    Five, she conspired to disseminate false documents among top government intelligence and investigatory agencies as well as the media, for the sole purpose of destroying her presidential opponent Trump and thereby warping the 2016 election process.

    And?

    Clinton - like self-confessed liars or dissimulators John Brennan, former CIA Director, James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence, and former FBI Directors James Comey and Andrew McCabe - was exempted from all legal jeopardy. She, too, continues to monetize her past notorieties and controversies."

    Meanwhile Walt Nauta said "I don't know".

  58. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    'Covenant Eyes is part of a multimillion-dollar market of "accountability" apps sold to churches and parents as a tool to police online activity. For a monthly fee, the app monitors every single thing a user does on their devices, then sends the data it collects, including screenshots, to an "ally" or "accountability partner," who can review the user's online activities.'

    So, perfect for those who want a nanny government. Who's your daddy now?

  59. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "The jury found that Starbucks had violated the federal civil rights of the former manager, Shannon Phillips, as well as a New Jersey law that prohibits discrimination based on race, awarding her $600,000 in compensatory damages and $25 million in punitive damages."

    Who knew that NJ was a part of Dixie? Laws about racism in a free state would not allow a cracker the same standing as oppressed ex-slaves.

  60. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill to protect car dealerships' monopoly."

    I wonder who the Florida auto dealers association supports for president.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      What's interesting is that most states have laws like this protecting franchises. It's hardly a monopoly.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        It's not strictly a monopoly since there are lots of independent dealerships. Rather it is a government created/protected oligopoly.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Either way, still mighty fine crony "capitalism".

  61. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    to online underwear purchases made by her 80-year-old mother-in-law

    *unzips*

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      I guess that Depends.

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      Queen Victoria's Secret

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        LOL

  62. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Biden is going to build an 8000 mile ocean train and it will be powered by solar from Angola.

    On today’s installment of “What the Fuck Did He Just Say?” he announced his plan to build “a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean.”

    America should definitely do that.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      "On that train all graphite and glitter
      Undersea by rail
      Ninety minutes from New York to Paris"

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        +1 glorious time to be free.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Pacific Island rail travelers are underserved due to racism.

  63. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Her 12-year-old son asked her, "Mom, will Pocket Mortys get dad in trouble?"

    No, but Pocket Pool when he's down at the playground will...

    C'mon people, the jokes write themselves here!

  64. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Philadelphia, though not the one in Rittenhouse Square

    The store should be closed altogether. Its existence supports a place named after a known white supremacist.

  65. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    GOP Squish Caucus Saves Evil Adam Schiff From Being Censured

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      I'm sure helping out Schiff in the name of bipartisan goodwill definitely will be returned to them if they are found by the dems to have done as little as filling out a form incorrectly in the future.

      I mean, the guy only lied to the American people that there was a smoking gun to be revealed in the Russia-hoax (narrator: there wasn't), and used the power of his govt office to go after (successfully) private citizens and have their speech curtailed....

      He and his friends who value power above all else, definitely will give you a fair shake when you are in the crosshairs.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        No doubt Adam learned his lesson.

        1. markm23   2 years ago

          Which is why he reacted to the House voting to censure him (but without any penalty) by repeating his lies.

  66. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    On May 29, 2018, Starbucks closed 8,000 stores for a day in order to subject its employees to racial bias training. This dubious move came in response

    Promising that Reason would refer to this shit as "dubious". Baby steps, I guess.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Dit ... dit ... dit ... signal sent.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        To whom?

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          I guess to Mike. Either way, I'm honestly curious about what was "dubious" about the move. I'd like to see some Reason articles exploring that. Perhaps they could re-hire Tim Cavanaugh to weigh in.

  67. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    • Miami Mayor Francis Suarez is entering the 2024 Republican presidential contest.

    WHO?!!

    • Cornel West is running to be the Green Party's presidential candidate.

    WHO?!!

    • Journalist Michael Shellenberger believes he has identified COVID-19's "patients zero" at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Let me guess, he found it in the Twitter files.

    1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      Let me guess, he found it in the Twitter files.

      The TL;DR of it is:

      Researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) got sick with COVID like symptoms in November 2019. Specifically they were researchers involved in gain of function research of bat corona viruses, specifically involving adding the "furin cleavage sites" to them that were similar if not identical to the furin cleavage sites on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Yet, the research published by the WIV about SARS-CoV-2 for some reason never mentions this similarity. Oh, and there's also video from 2017 of one of the "patients zero" working in a lab without proper protective equipment.

      Bottom line: it was a lab leak, they knew it was a lab leak the whole time, and they actively worked to cover it up.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        With help from Fauci and friends.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          And with funding from Fauci and friends.

      2. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago (edited)

        Once again, the world catches up to where we were two years ago.

        Edit: OK, only 1 1/2 years ago.

        https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/start-your-day-with-gof

  68. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    Thanks Sarcasmic

    Americans Have Reached Civil War Levels Of Alcohol Consumption.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      He's doing his best to Make America Inebriated Again (MAIA).

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

      2.5 gallons of ethanol per year is only about 1.5 beers per day. Hardly enough to get excited about (except for those under 10).

      Now for really impressive buzz times, consider the 1830s, when Americans drank more than 7 gallons of alcohol per year.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        That’s only because it was hard to get any cocaine.

      2. D-Pizzle   2 years ago

        Russia says, "Hold my handle of 100 proof."

  69. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Whither Buttplug?

    World Bank Just Halved Its US Growth Forecast For 2024, Saying The Economy 'Is Likely To Remain Weak'

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Talking points delayed this morning?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      To be fair, I'm quite sure there are things that Shrike knows that the World Bank doesn't.

  70. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Judge rules that Seattle must not enforce law against graffiti

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      In other news, Banksy moves to Seattle.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        is it graffiti if decrim'ed?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Certain not graffiti on official city "art walls".

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Fuck this town.

      1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

        Not actually Seattle's fault this time, that's a federal court order.

        I do not understand how a federal judge could think it sane or reasonable to make that order, but still.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          I don't know what the details are, but I'll bet you all the way up to fitty cent that it was a Seattle group that brought this to Federal Court, and that Seattle Group is probably tied to several if not all of the City Council and Mayor's office.

          I could be wrong.

          1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

            No bet. I could cover fifty cents, but I'm not at all certain I'd win. :-/

  71. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/pwleaks/status/1669360534976884742?t=Wbj1d59lM-6gtcEp_QaIdQ&s=19

    BREAKING: FBI official admits bureau performed illegal search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

    [Thread]

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Everything with Trump is completely above board.

      Its standard to have a fishing expedition raid on someone that has declassification authority, when precedent is to not go after people for holding on to docs post-presidency (or for even former VP's or secy of states...).

      Also, its very standard for a current president, guilty of holding on to classified docs as VP, to encourage NARA not to work with a former president who is his political rival that is running against him. This is all very normal, everything is fine.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        did you read the indictment?!?!? ~~jeff

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          It's a valid question, even if the chemjeff in your head is asking it.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Mike...

            The joke ---> Whoosh!
            You

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        If he's not guilty because he automagically declassified the documents when he took them home, does that mean we can read them?

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          Yes

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Do you have a linky to the treasure trove? Or is it still classified?

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Egan v Navy.

          What was Biden's justification for taking classified material from a SCIF?

      3. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

        IIRC some of the documents were related to the drone-assassination of that Iranian general. Like a trophy. Do we now have access to all the details of the operation because he declassified everything when he took it home?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Everyone knows we killed Soleimini. What do you think is classified with that story?

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            Maybe how we found him - informants and such?

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Fruit of the poisoned branch. Also the DC judge waived Trump's attorney client privilege. Then you have the separation of powers and other constitutional issues. I don't see how this mess ever gets in front of a jury.

    3. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

      And nothing else happened.

  72. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    That photo of Walensky has some real "What difference, at this point, does it make?" energy. Either that or "I need to see your manager!" Kind of fitting either way. Fucking bitch.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Lots of Hillary/Kamala energy with this one

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        When your Karen super power stops working.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Answering questions at congressional hearings with emotional responses is totally professional.

  73. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>The manager of a Harvard Medical School morgue has been charged with selling body parts.

    his own? 'cause I'm for that ...

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      Nobody needs more than one kidney.

      1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

        But someone else apparently needed 23 kidneys.

  74. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Miami Mayor Francis Suarez is entering the 2024 Republican presidential contest.

    el Presidente!

  75. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    The Scam

    As soon as the federal indictment of President Trump was unsealed, we were treated to stories featuring photos of “boxes of documents” stored in various rooms at Mar-a-Lago — including boxes in places like on the stage in the White and Gold Ballroom, and even in a bathroom...

    Like the photos from the raid showing classified documents splayed out on the floor, these photos created a certain impression with the public. Just look at how many boxes there are! Look where they were put! Dozens of boxes all over the place, where anyone could get them.

    But as... Kelly pointed out, it’s “a scam” that’s poisoning the public’s perception of Donald Trump in this case. Why? Because, as Kelly noted, the actual number of classified documents that were found at Mar-a-Lago could fit into one single box, with ample room to spare.

    “You don’t have to be a lawyer to look at this and know that it’s a scam,” Kelly said. “Number one, in that indictment, they put some pictures in the indictment to scare us. Ooh, look at all these boxes. The classified documents in the boxes. These pictures are actually in the indictment, and there are dozens and dozens of boxes.

    So I went through the indictment and saw that how many documents, classified documents, did the FBI actually recover? 102.”

    Here's a question for British Shrike who posted a picture of some of those boxes. How many boxes does it take to hold two to six hundred sheets of paper? Hint, a photocopier stack is five hundred. By my calculation a single bankers box holds at least 2000.

    Do you think the hundreds of boxes shown by the FBI were filled with classified documents?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      A banker's box would probably hold closer to 4,000 documents, if packed as tightly as a ream of paper (500 sheets). A mere 102 could fit inside a single three-ring binder with room to spare.

      1. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

        A mere 102 could fit inside a single three-ring binder with room to spare.

        Is that better or worse than a "binder full of women?"

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Depends on the women.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          If she's wearing a binder, she's not a woman anymore.

    2. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

      As soon as the federal indictment of President Trump was unsealed, we were treated to stories featuring photos of “boxes of documents” stored in various rooms at Mar-a-Lago — including boxes in places like on the stage in the White and Gold Ballroom, and even in a bathroom…

      Like the photos from the raid showing classified documents splayed out on the floor, these photos created a certain impression with the public. Just look at how many boxes there are! Look where they were put! Dozens of boxes all over the place, where anyone could get them.

      I laughed so fucking hard at those pictures. Pictures of "boxes of classified documents" ... that you couldn't see the markings on, so no way to know what, if any, classification level they were at. Pictures of documents on the floor ... that were probably left there by the agents conducting the search (cops and feds aren't exactly subtle when they tear shit up while executing a search warrant, hell that's half the "fun" of executing the warrant - fucking shit up). Pictures of boxes on a stage ... that, again, were probably put there - "staged" if you will - by the agents conducting the search.

      None of those pictures show a fucking thing yet people were spurging out like it was some kind of damning "proof." Sure, Trump probably had classified documents in his possession - just like several other prominent politicians who for some reason aren't up on charges (I wonder why?) - but the pictures were obviously being used to create a false impression that "all" of those boxes were full of classified documents. The fact so many people are stupid enough to fall for it is ... no longer surprising. A few years ago I would have been surprised but not anymore.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        It would have been ok if they were stacked up next to a corvette.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      No one claimed the boxes were full.

  76. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    White House press secretary violated Hatch Act, government watchdog says

    Karine Jean-Pierre violated a law designed to limit how officials engage in elections when she referred to "MAGA Republicans" ahead of the midterms, the agency said.

  77. mad.casual   2 years ago

    gantlet of protesters

    A 1-item, assigned to everyone, Gantt Chart with no end date that just says: "Protest-------->"

    Reason, the NYT, or both could stand to add an "Edit-------->" gantlet to their charts.

  78. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Whither Buttplug.

    White House Brags About Chart Showing Inflation Skyrocketing on Their Watch

    Look at March 2021

    1. Minadin   2 years ago

      Note that it's still 4x higher than it was prior to this administration. It's just no longer 10x higher. (Yaaay . . .)

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  79. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    State Senator Advises Parents to Flee California Due To Bill That Would Take Kids Away From Non-’Affirming’ Parents

    If they refuse to offer “gender-affirming care” to the child, they can be locked up for child abuse.

    Sen. Scott Wilk was the only member of the state senate to raise the issue.
    “In the past when we’ve had these discussions and I’ve seen parental rights atrophied — I’ve encouraged people to keep fighting,”
    “I’ve changed my mind on that.”
    “If you love your children, you need to flee California. You need to flee,”

    “Come out of Babylon, my people, so that you do not participate in her sins and suffer from any of her plagues.”

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Get Out 2: California

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      “Come out of Babylon, my people, so that you do not participate in her sins and suffer from any of her plagues.”

      Im not a big one for the biblical stuffs for my own purposes, but I can only imagine the resemblance of LA/Sanfran during pride month is striking to what Sodom and Gomorrah must have been like.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Or the dude showing off his fake tits on the White House lawn.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Sen. Scott Wilk was the only member of the state senate to raise the issue.
      “In the past when we’ve had these discussions and I’ve seen parental rights atrophied — I’ve encouraged people to keep fighting,”
      “I’ve changed my mind on that.”
      “If you love your children, you need to flee California. You need to flee,”

      Conservatives need to *checks comments* admit they lost the culture war.

  80. Crackers Boy   2 years ago

    "... a Black woman, told her to suspend a White manager... "

    Fixed that for you.

    CB

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      I'm sure that was an innocent oversight by Robby.

  81. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Just a friendly reminder:

    In Trump's indictment, he was not charged with any crime relating to violations of the Presidential Records Act.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      No, he was charged with a crime that's invalidated by the PRA.

      But you knew that.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

        By the way, did you ever answer the question that I asked yesterday?

        Why should we regard the cases of Biden, Hillary, and Trump as equivalent when it comes to their handling of classified material?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          We shouldn't. Hillary and Biden weren't president. They had absolutely no business holding classified information at home and no ability to declassify it by their actions.

          Clinton, Obama and Trump on the other hand did automatically declassify the documents they took by the virtue of taking them for their personal records. Even though Clinton and Obama didn't issue a memo and just took them.

          "By the way, did you ever answer the question that I asked yesterday?"

          You posted it at one in the fucking morning, Jeff. You're such fraud.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            We shouldn’t.

            Good, then maybe you and your team can knock it off with the false equivalencies.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              What false equivalencies? You always just throw out these accusations without any evidence.
              And while your fabricating some, maybe you could knock off moving the goalposts every second post.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                What false equivalencies?

                Oh I don't know, maybe just a few of the 100 ZILLION comparisons between Trump and Hillary?

                1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                  There is an equivalency, sure.

                  They both took classified docs.

                  Where the divergence comes in, is one did it illegally, got caught, scrubbed her servers, and some of it still ended up on other dem party elites computers. She wasn't charged. She is very in bed with the appropriate elites and deep state.

                  The other one was President with declassification authority. He, unlike all the other presidents, was charged. Also the deep state spied on him illegally, issued FISA warrants that didn't have merit to get him, and raided his property to get dirt on him.

                  So ya, not equivalent in that the fix is in for those questioning the ruling elites, and there aren't consequences if you are among the favored.

                  Hope this helps you

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                    They both took classified documents illegally. They both initially lied about doing so. They both tried to conceal the documents from the government.

                    Only one of them eventually fessed up and admitted that what she did was wrong.

                    The other one continues to claim that he did nothing wrong, and continues to invent reasons why those documents are rightfully his.

                    Neither one was charged with a crime of merely mishandling classified documents. So there is your ‘equal application of the law’ for you.

                    Only one of them was caught on tape openly showing the contents of these documents to unauthorized individuals while at the same time stating that they were classified/secret and that he wasn’t supposed to be doing so.

                    Neither the ‘deep state’ nor the FBI nor anyone else forced Trump to openly confess to his actions while being recorded, in front of everyone.

                    So yes, ‘the fix is in’ for people who do dumb things, permit themselves to be recorded confessing to doing dumb things, and then gives a giant fuck you to everyone who tries to hold him accountable for doing dumb things.

                    For his entire life Trump has acted like the rules don't apply to him, either because of his family name or his fame or his wealth or his power. His ridiculously stupid actions WHILE BEING RECORDED are testament to this. And now when the rules are starting to be applied to him, he cries no fair.

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      For his entire life Trump has acted like the rules don’t apply to him, either because of his family name or his fame or his wealth or his power. His ridiculously stupid actions WHILE BEING RECORDED are testament to this. And now when the rules are starting to be applied to him, he cries no fair."

                      What was that about false equivalencies again?

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        This is the section of the Espionage Act that he is charged with violating:

        (e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

        Show how the PRA invalidates this, if you can.

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          He was authorized to take them because he was the President.

          Same with Obama.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            The PRA does not authorize the president to take anything he wants. Only personal records. Since when are military plans considered "personal records"?

            1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

              He was the President so he could take them.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                That's not what the law permits him to do.

                1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

                  You are wrong about that. The POTUS can classify whatever he likes from his administration as his personal records.

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        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Whoever having unauthorized possession of
          It is not possible for the President to have "unauthorized possession". He has the final word on who is authorized.
          communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it
          Ignoring for the moment that the President cannot have "unauthorized access", where is the evidence that he did so?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Read the indictment.

            https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              So.

              How does that invalidate Vernon's point?

        3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          By your standard, dumbass, that can applied to just about any journalist out there, like say Woodward and Bernstein getting information from Deep Throat during Watergate.

          For the record, so Jeffy can't pull the wool over anyone's eyes, here's the actual text: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-37

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            That is not "my standard", that is the legal standard. And yes I agree that the Espionage Act is too broad. I said so below. I think it should be scaled way back if not repealed entirely.

            HOWEVER, you all are the ones bleating about "equal treatment under the law". This is the law that Trump is charged with breaking. So if you think the law is being applied unequally, show how you think Hillary, or Biden, or Obama, or Pence, or Bush, or anyone else, was also guilty of violating the Espionage Act.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "And yes I agree that the Espionage Act is too broad."

              So you think that the Espionage Act is too broad, but you want Trump imprisoned for supposedly violating an even broader interpretation that has never been applied before. Did I get it right?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                I don't think Trump should be imprisoned under the Espionage Act.

                I am pointing out to you dummies, who scream EQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW, that there is a good basis to charge Trump with violating *this law* when there is a much weaker case to be charging anyone else with violating *this law*.

                He's not being charged with merely mishandling classified documents.
                He's not being charged with violating the PRA.
                He's being charged with violating the Espionage Act.

                And all of you dummies who are screaming "BUT HILLARY" are ignoring and obscuring this fact and want people to think that he is being prosecuted for doing the same things that Hillary did. But he isn't.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "how how you think Hillary, or Biden, or Obama, or Pence, or Bush, or anyone else, was also guilty of violating the Espionage Act."

              If Trump's guilty for the stupid shit you're claiming then I guess most of Washington DC is.

              Biden took millions in bribes from a Burisma executive, Zlochevsky, who turned out to be an asset of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) and the FBI tried to hide it.

              Hillary Clinton approved a Russian uranium deal only after a $2 Million donation was made by them to the Clinton Foundation.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Right, so you can't address my claim so you bring up a completely unrelated case and try to move the goalposts. That is typical for you.

                Show how you think Hillary violated the Espionage Act with her handling of classified material, if you can.

  82. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Another friendly reminder:

    In Trump's indictment, the crime that he is charged with - violating the Espionage Act, by the unauthorized transmission of documents injurious to the national defense of the United States - has nothing to do with whether or not those documents are classified.

    Arguing about whether Trump declassified those documents, telepathically or not, is a complete red herring as far as the indictment is concerned.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      it's cute that you think that's what this is all about.

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    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "by the unauthorized transmission of documents injurious to the national defense of the United States"

      Now how did he do that seeing as the documents were effectively declassified?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        Where does the Espionage Act say that the documents have to be classified?

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          If they weren’t, the information isn’t secret, is it?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Documents can be not classified and still secret, and their unauthorized transmission can still be injurious to the national defense of the United States.

            In one specific example from the indictment, Trump was showing off a specific military plan for an attack on a foreign nation, to people who were not authorized to see such documents.

            Even if that plan was "declassified with his mind", he still showed off specific military documents about national defense to people who had no business reading them.

            1. Nobartium   2 years ago

              Libertarians for state secrets!

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                If there is going to be a state, there are going to be state secrets. Even a libertarian state will have state secrets. We can argue about what should or should not be kept secret, but I think most would agree that military matters are prime candidates for being kept secret even from a libertarian perspective.

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago (edited)

                  I thought I was muted.

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    He finally realized muting those you're arguing against is kind of self defeating.

                    Jeff isn't quite as dumb as Sarcasmic and Mike.

                  2. Dillinger   2 years ago

                    computer rebooted yesterday.

            2. Minadin   2 years ago

              "Secret" is a classification.

          2. Nobartium   2 years ago

            And more importantly, the selling of such information (what the act was supposed to protect against) also fails.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              The Espionage Act does not say anything specifically about selling secrets for money.

              1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

                For which country was Trump allegedly conducting espionage for?

                Israel?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                  Show us where the Espionage Act requires the accused to be working for an identified foreign power. Hint: it does not.

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                    Giving comfort to the enemy, even if we don't know who the 'enemy' is, right Jeff?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I didn't write the law. I am merely telling you what the law says. Pointing out that Trump is (most likely) not a literal spy is just a red herring as far as this law is concerned.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          So it's espionage to have information that isn't classified as secret?
          Is that what you're claiming?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Where does the Espionage Act say that the documents have to be classified?

            Answer the question.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              No. The law criminalizes the unauthorized retention or disclosure of information related to national defense that could harm the United States or aid its enemies.

              But more importantly this is only because it was enacted decades before the executive branch established the current system of classifying national security secrets.

              In a move right up your fascist ally, it was created so that they could prosecute the producer of a 1918 film, “The Spirit of ’76,” and send him to jail because the government believed the movie undermined the British, a World War I ally, and was therefore seditious.

              Now answer my question, were they right to prosecute and jail the filmmaker? Is it espionage to have information that isn’t classified as secret?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                I see. So it doesn't matter whether the documents are classified are not. Thanks for agreeing with me.

                If you want to argue against the Espionage Act, then I'm all ears. I do agree that it is too broad.

                But it is also the law that we currently have, and it is your team which is constantly bleating about "equal application of the law".

                Trump is on tape bragging about intentionally showing off military secrets to people whom HE ADMITS aren't supposed to be viewing them. Hillary didn't do this. Pence didn't do this. Biden didn't do this. Bush didn't do this. Obama didn't do this. Clinton didn't do this.

                So would you agree that, regardless of whether the law itself ought to exist, that the case for Trump violating this law is stronger than the case for any of the aforementioned people violating this law?

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  You are literally going to fall apart when he is declared innocent, aren’t you?

                2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  "Trump is on tape bragging about intentionally showing off military secrets to people whom HE ADMITS aren’t supposed to be viewing them."

                  The tape doesn't show anything... it's an audio tape that you are creating inferences from based on nothing. "Don't come too close cause you shouldn't see this" is hardly selling secrets to Beijing.

                  You've lost sight of what you even began screaming for imprisonment about. Just two days ago you were banging on about classified documents and now you want to send him to jail for talking about unclassified things.

                  Just admit it. Even if he's completely innocent you want to put him in jail.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    “Don’t come too close cause you shouldn’t see this” is hardly selling secrets to Beijing.

                    No one here is claiming that Trump is a literal spy for any foreign power. That is a strawman.

                    The Espionage Act does not require that the accused be working for an identified foreign power in order to be guilty.

                    But "you shouldn't see this" is an admission that *he knew* that what he was doing was wrong.

                    And I am not screaming for imprisonment. I am broadly in favor of the latest Reason Roundtable on this matter - that if convicted, Trump shouldn't go to jail.

                    The only reason I got involved in this discussion at all was because you all were screaming "we aren't defending Trump, we are just in favor of equal application of the law!" and so, by extension, if Hillary wasn't prosecuted, then Trump shouldn't be either. So I am testing that hypothesis. I am pointing out meticulously that the details of Trump's case are qualitatively different than those of any other relevant case in recent memory, including Hillary's. That this insistence that if Hillary isn't prosecuted that Trump shouldn't be either is not based on a position of 'equal application of the law', it is based on a position of a simplistic and facile false equivalency between the two cases.

                    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                      ahh, has the term "true libertarian" been lumped in with "anti-fascist" and "anti-rascist" in terms of its relation to reality. it must be so

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "The only reason I got involved in this discussion at all was because you all were screaming"

                      That's an awful lot of dedicated posting for the sake of some 'screaming'. Why didn't you just put all the contrarians on mute again?

    3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      He is charged with the crime of not going along to get along with the uniparty grift.

      It always was his crime, always will be

    4. See Double You   2 years ago

      As President and under Article II, he could not possibly violate the EA as it relates to handling documents.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        he isn't president anymore

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          He was when he took them.

  83. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    And an observation:

    Left-wing partisan media wants to conceal inconvenient facts from you, by pre-emptively declaring them to be "lies" or "disinformation" and refusing to tell you about them.

    Right-wing partisan media wants to obscure inconvenient facts from you, by diluting and drowning them in a sea of nonsense and noise.

    Claim: COVID-19 may have started in a biological research lab in China.
    Left-wing media: Not true! We will remove all mention of this from you!

    News: Trump was indicted by the FBI over handling of documents.
    Right-wing media:
    - But he declassified them all!
    - But Obama/Hillary/Pence/Biden/Everyone did the same thing!
    - But JW v. NARA vindicates Trump!
    - But the PRA only permits civil lawsuits!
    - But Obama's documents in boxes in a Chicago warehouse!
    - But the prosecutor is a partisan hack!
    - But Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who once wore a tan suit!
    wait, what was the question again? you forgot? Oh good.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Aren’t you the “bears in trunks” guy?

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Aren’t you the “bears in trunks” guy?

        Tuck-friendly trunks.

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

          I think that's a different kind of Bears.

          1. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

            I still don't get his obsession with nose-fucking elephants.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      Every single one of those points (except for your last bit of invective) is valid, and I’ve yet to have seen you effectively argue against any of them.

      All you do is call them dumb and handwave… like you did in this post.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

        Every single one of those points are distractions and red herrings from the issue at hand. That is my point. They are meant to obscure inconvenient facts for Team Red, namely, that he was charged with violating the Espionage Act. That is why you continue to push those points, so as to muddy the waters and to push the narrative that it's all a political prosecution with no merit whatsoever.

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          He is being accused by the same people who accused him of colluding with the Russians®™ to steal the 2016 election!

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Yet another red herring and distraction. Thanks for adding to the list!

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              How, Jeff?

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "Every single one of those points are distractions and red herrings from the issue at hand. That is my point."

          HOW.

          How is declassification irrelevant?
          Why is the fact that Trump is the only one charged out of everyone else who did it irrelevant?
          Why is the JW v. NARA somehow irrelevant?
          Why is the PRA inapplicable?

          How are they distractions and red herrings? They all appear to actually be extremely relevant.
          You always make these big pronouncements but refuse to justify them.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            How is declassification irrelevant?

            The Espionage Act has nothing to do with whether the documents are classified or not.

            Why is the fact that Trump is the only one charged out of everyone else who did it irrelevant?

            The details of Trump's case are significantly different than the details of the other cases, so lumping them all together is only an exercise in creating a false equivalency.

            Why is the JW v. NARA somehow irrelevant?
            Why is the PRA inapplicable?

            None of the records under consideration here are, by any reasonable standard, "personal records".

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

              “None of the records under consideration here are, by any reasonable standard, “personal records”.

              JW v. NARA explicitly says that under the PRA the very act of a president taking them makes them “personal records”. And that neither the NARA or anyone else can dispute that.

              https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2010cv1834-13

              “So the classification depends not upon what the tapes contain, but what the President prepared them for and what he did with them...
              More important, as plaintiff acknowledged at the hearing, we lack any information about what President Clinton had in mind:

              THE COURT: How can I make that decision without the information that would really only be in the [P]resident’s head, what they were created and utilized for? [PLAINTIFF’S COUNSEL]: Well, that’s the problem.

              this responsibility is left solely to the President. 44 U.S.C. § 2203(a)–(b). While the plaintiff casts this lawsuit as a challenge to a decision made by the National Archives, the PRA makes it clear that this is not a decision the Archivist can make.”

              This exactly why J.W. v. NARA is relevant.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                JW v. NARA explicitly says that under the PRA the very act of a president taking them makes them “personal records”. And that neither the NARA or anyone else can dispute that.

                No, that is not what it says.

                It says that IF the president classifies a document as "personal", that NARA cannot overrule the president and reclassify it as "presidential".

                It does not say that a document becomes "personal" just by walking out the door.

                Incidentally, the PRA states that the classification of a document as "personal" or "presidential" occurs "upon their creation or receipt". And, if a document is classified as "presidential", to dispose of the document requires a process involving the Archivist. The president can't just change the classification later on without going through this process.

                https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

                So all of those military documents that were created while Trump was president, let's be honest, they were classified as "presidential" when they were created, because they aren't diaries or personal correspondence. And when Trump took them home, they remained "presidential" documents. And the PRA *does* give authority to NARA to compel the president, via referral to the DOJ, to return "presidential" documents.

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  "It does not say that a document becomes “personal” just by walking out the door."

                  No. It says exactly that.

                  “So the classification depends not upon what the tapes contain, but what the President prepared them for and what he did with them…
                  More important, as plaintiff acknowledged at the hearing, we lack any information about what President Clinton had in mind:
                  THE COURT: How can I make that decision without the information that would really only be in the [P]resident’s head, what they were created and utilized for?

                  This isn't my interpretation either. The binding guidance from the Justice Department in 2012 says so.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    “So the classification depends not upon what the tapes contain, but what the President prepared them for and what he did with them…

                    "what he did with them" is very vague. You are imputing into those vague words a claim that it does not plainly have.

                    Here is what I think is happening. You read on some right-wing website that JW v. NARA "exonerates Trump" or something, you believe it uncritically because you trust the source, and now you are scouring through the text of the ruling to see if you can prove the claim right. So you start with the conclusion in mind and then see if you can shoehorn the text of the decision into the conclusion.

                    Instead, why don't you read the decision without any preconceived conclusion in mind, and see what it actually says rather than what you think it ought to say?

                    The binding guidance from the Justice Department in 2012 says so.

                    Where is the link to this guidance? Do you have it? Or is this another one of those claims that you accept uncritically from a right-wing source?

          2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

            in their world, evidence for the defense is all lies, red herrings, and misinformation.

            If they had their way, Rittenhouse would have gotten the death penalty due to all that presentation of red herrings and irrelevant information his defense attorney provided.

            Which is why MSNBC has moved on to the "guilty man is guilty, no need to hear the lying guilty man lie to defend himself"

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      The partisan way of thinking and interacting with others poisons civil discourse even when the partisan is correct about something. Instead of creating a space where the other person can come around to agreeing with the partisan, immediate battle lines of “truth” are laid down and anyone who is even neutral on a topic is immediately an enemy to be denigrated and argued against.

      Example: The Wuhan lab leak theory. Many right-wing commenters here immediately assumed the truth of the theory, even with little evidence, because it was their partisan team’s position to believe in the theory. Anyone who reserved judgement, waiting for more evidence to emerge, was the enemy, aligned with the left and denying the “truth”.

      Now that more evidence has emerged to support the Wuhan lab leak theory, the same commenters will say “I told you so.” What they don’t get is that they were believing in a “truth” that didn’t have solid evidence, even if there is more evidence now.

      And, of course, there are numerous examples of the left doing similar things.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        But you didn’t list any.

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        "because it was their partisan team’s position to believe in the theory."

        No , that's not why. but you reveal a lot about yourself by assuming that is why.

    4. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Obama is a Kenyan Muslim

      No, he's Indonesian.

  84. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/06/14/grim-undertaking-former-manager-of-harvard-morgue-charged-with-trafficking-human-remains/

    “Cedric Lodge is accused of stealing organs and other parts of human bodies — described in the indictment as ‘dissected portions of donated cadavers, including, for example, heads, brains, skin, bones, and other human remains’ — that had been donated to the school for medical research and education and were thereafter slated to be cremated in a Roslindale crematorium.”

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Jeff will tell you he’s not a pervert.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      Those include Katrina MacLean, who owns “Kat’s Creepy Creations,” a Peabody shop that advertises itself on its Instagram page as “Creations that shock the mind & shake the soul. Creepy dolls, Oddities, Bone Art. Curator of @freaksantiquesuniques dark art & oddity market.” The indictment alleges that in October 2020, she agreed to purchase two “dissected faces” for $600.

      She then allegedly enlisted the leather tanning services of Pennsylvanian Jeremy Pauley — allegedly shipping human skin to him to be turned into leather. She then allegedly asked Cedric Lodge for more human skin to send to “the dude I sent the chest piece to tan.”

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        These acts are just normal expressions of their sexuality. Who are you to make fun of them?

  85. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

    They will never admit they were wrong, and will continue to double down. Walensky kept hyping the jab data, which we all know was a horrific datacrime. OF COURSE your vaccine has 100% efficacy if you count everybody who got sick as "unvaccinated" -- which is the whole reason they started saying "you're vaxxed 2 weeks after your final shot". They needed the people who got covid to get dumped into the unvaxxed bucket, even though they'd already had one or two shots.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Let us also remember how the flu cases plummeted to near zero during the wuhanvirus pandemic.

      I've literally been lectured with the following logic: "Flu cases disappeared because everyone was wearing masks and isolating! But also wuhanvirus spread and killed 1 million people somehow"

      Liberals are the reigning champions of the idiocy olympics.

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        I can't help but to not believe the flu numbers at all anymore. Likely many years few people die from the flu. I think 30k plus people die each year from a basket of different respiratory illnesses. The number of flu deaths being exaggerated to sell the flu shot.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          The CDC has been a psyop for close to 2 decades now. They've been estimating something on the order of 300,000-450,000 unreported cases of Lyme Disease, annually, for something like a decade now.

          And, given the distribution of confirmed/reported cases, it seems very much like a COVID demographic situation where people who don't touch grass until they get into their 30s, 40s, and 50s contract and suffer more from it (or don't and suffer autoimmune disorders for lack of exposure to pathogens) while people who grow up pulling ticks off of themselves, seemingly, contract it and get over it without even being aware of having had it.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      horrific datacrime

      ^ Horrific hyberbolecrime.

      1. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

        If completely mutilating the trial data that was used to justify the loss of bodily autonomy isn't a horrific datacrime, what is?

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          loss of bodily autonomy

          You mean vaccine mandates for medical workers?

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            For anybody!

          2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

            you disingenuous shit

          3. Eeyore   2 years ago

            Because health care workers are drone slaves that don't deserve bodily autonomy.

          4. Minadin   2 years ago

            Lots more than medical workers had vaccine mandates. Military, for one, but lots of private businesses were also requiring them, based on CDC guidance.

            Hell, in the summer of 2021 we had a vaccine mandate in St. Louis if you wanted to participate in recreational weekend sports outdoors.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

              So, that is ultimately on: military leaders, private business management, and St. Louis’s leaders.

              And one of those things, having to get vaccindated when you are in the military, is a long-established part of the deal of signing up. It is fundamental to being in the military that you give up a great deal of your bodily autonomy.

              The St. Louis example is indeed ridiculous.

              1. Minadin   2 years ago

                You do not believe that the CDC bears any culpability for making the recommendations and guidelines that these people followed? It gave those state and local leaders / unelected bureaucrats (like our local health department director, the lying liar Dr. Khan) cover for their decisions & diktats.

                And now, it turns out that it was not only counter-intuitive, counter-productive, and counter-factual, but actually fraud. And not only did they lie to us, and knowingly lie to us, they tried to shut down anyone who objected. And they massively overstepped the bounds of their authority.

                But because the local guys actually signed the paperwork, they bear no blame in your eyes?

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                  What was the huge consequence?

                  Healthcare workers and soldiers had to get a couple of very low-risk injections. Yes, the CDC shares some culpability in this inconveniencing. The amount of right-wing outragery over it is ridiculous.

                  It’s a stretch to say they had much culpability for completely silly/nutso overreach like the St. Louis example. That’s on St. Louis’ leaders.

                  1. Minadin   2 years ago

                    You're an actually terrible person if you believe anything that you typed.

                    1. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

                      Luckily, he doesn't. He'll argue the exact opposite tomorrow if it helps him.

          5. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

            LOL this is why people call you lying Mike.

            Some of the first people who got jabbed were healthcare workers. They saw EXACTLY what was going on, and many of them chose to get fired rather than take another shot. Even Jay Inslee had to back down on his booster mandate.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

              What lie did I tell? I merely have a different opinion than you, and I'm not lying about that.

              Why would a healthcare worker make such a totally boneheaded decision to lose their job over getting a couple of vaccinations? They get vaccinations all the time — and they are healthcare workers!

              1. Minadin   2 years ago

                How effective and how experimental were these shots?

                One of the three that were authorized has been recently recalled and isn't approved anymore. The other two seem to still be in favor, but don't apparently prevent anything when it comes to the disease they are aimed towards. Vaccinated people are getting covid all the time.

                People, individuals, do not give up their own agency by career choice. Government forcing people to take experimental drugs as a condition of employment is anti-liberty.

                This should not need to be explained to a 'libertarian'.

              2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                The mRNA shots are not vaccines.

              3. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

                Because something isn't a vaccination just because you call it one.

                The lying came when you said "Healthcare workers?" like they were the only ones who had to deal with mandates. And you know this, you lying fuck, you just want to derail yet another thread.

  86. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    Dictator Joe Biden and his Democratic henchmen have made Congress totally irrelevant. Even Nancy Pelosi said so.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Then why did Biden have to negotiate an agreement with McCarthy?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        lol pan et circenses.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          You didn't answer my question (which I asked of Liberty Lover, not you, by the way).

  87. JeremyR   2 years ago

    I don't know why being questioned before a congressional panel is being held accountable. People can lie their teeth off and get away with it.

    I mean, maybe it's slightly uncomfortable for them for a few hours, but that's it. No real ramifications.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Think of the stress!

    2. Eeyore   2 years ago (edited)

      You can tell she totally got off on it. The power trip of getting away with it and there is nothing they are gonna do about it. Her dick was hard the entire time.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Cite?

        1. Eeyore   2 years ago

          You could see her erection on camera.

          Ok, maybe only I could see it.

    3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      I mean, how many whoppers did st Fauci get away with, with zero accountability.

  88. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Welcome to the Gestapo Police (i.e. [Na]tional So[zi]alist Agencies).
    Every Nazi-Nation has one.

  89. jbspry   2 years ago

    Communist whore.

    FJB

  90. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

    On May 29, 2018, Starbucks closed 8,000 stores for a day in order to subject its employees to racial bias training. This dubious move came in response to an incident at a Philadelphia-area Starbucks in which an employee called the police on two black customers who had refused to leave.

    Can't you "journolists" get any thing right? They weren't customers, they were loiterers who refused to buy anything and demanded to use the restrooms.

  91. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Winner!

  92. ElvisIsReal   2 years ago

    Yep

  93. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>You dirty liar.

    requires a daily counter like the Yglesias counter

  94. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Read the indictment.

    Most of the documents involved are White House intelligence briefings. They are not from external agencies.

    In addition, many of the documents are the originals, because they have handwritten annotations on them in ink.

    You really should read the original source material.

  95. Dillinger   2 years ago

    but we have you here to wholly misinterpret it.

  96. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    How about "documents discussing military matters". Sound better?

    Maybe if you actually read the indictment instead of spending all your time trying to entrap me with semantic nonsense, you might be more informed.

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