Don't Mix Rare Bourbon With State Power
Oregon liquor regulators were caught diverting prized whiskey for personal use.

In December 2022, a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle 23 Year Old Family Reserve sold at auction for $52,500—more than the list price for a base-model Tesla. The long-aged bourbon from the Buffalo Trace Distillery is arguably the most sought-after bottle of American whiskey in production today.
Pappy Van Winkle commands high prices on the post-retail market partly because it's so rare: About 84,000 bottles are released each year. By comparison, Jim Beam, a much more affordable and accessible brand, ships about 84 million bottles a year. The scarcity of Pappy Van Winkle helps explain the furor over the recent revelation that senior officials at the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commision (OLCC) had been diverting bottles for personal use.
The Pappy Van Winkle line of bourbons is divided into age categories, ranging from 10 to 23 years, which the distillery distributes across the country. Whiskey obsessives track the shipments, sometimes lining up for hours at a store thought to have received a delivery.
Oregon is a "control state," meaning liquor distribution is managed entirely by a government agency. The OLCC acts as a mandatory middleman for all distilled spirits and contracts with private businesses for retail package sales. Oregon, like some other states that control liquor distribution, holds lotteries for rare bottles. The winners get an opportunity to purchase those products at the manufacturer's suggested retail price, typically a few hundred dollars for Pappy Van Winkle.
Top officials at the OLCC circumvented that system. When they wanted Pappy Van Winkle 23 for themselves or friends in state politics, they would redirect the rare bottles to a store located near the OLCC's headquarters in Portland. The bottles would be held in reserve for them, hidden from the general public. After work, they'd stop by the store and purchase the bottles at the legally mandated price—a fraction of the post-retail price.
Thanks to Oregon's opaque liquor allocation system, OLCC officials didn't have to enter their own lottery, stand in line outside their own state-managed stores, or pay a markup at auction. That system gives OLCC officials extraordinary power over a market in very rare and highly valuable collectibles. At the same December auction mentioned above, for example, four other bottles of 23-year-old Pappy Van Winkle, valued at $3,000 to $4,000 each prior to the auction, sold for more than $40,000 each.
In 2022, according to OLCC data, the entire state of Oregon received just 999 bottles of Pappy Van Winkle whiskey, including just 33 bottles of the 23-year-old bourbon. State officials used the lottery to distribute 150 of those Pappy bottles, including just five of the oldest and rarest issue. The chance of winning the right to purchase a bottle was about one in 4,150.
The vast majority of the remaining bottles were allocated by OLCC officials, who bought some for themselves and some as gifts to state lawmakers. They also diverted less rare but still hard-to-find bourbon brands like Elmer T. Lee.
Defenders of the state's liquor control system have long argued that it keeps prices low and keeps distribution local, rather than leaving it to the supposed predation of large, out-of-state corporations. But in practice, it is a system of privilege for the powerful.
For nearly a decade, the OLCC was run by Steve Marks (a former top aide to former Gov. John Kitzhaber), who was paid about $222,000 a year. Marks resigned at the request of Oregon's current governor, Tina Kotek, after news of his agency's corruption broke in early 2023. But the scandal was not the product of one person; it was the inevitable result of granting state officials enormous power over a private market.
Oregon is one of 17 control states. Another is Virginia, where another bourbon-related scandal unfolded in 2022. An employee of a state-run liquor store illegally funneled information about the state's distribution plans to the leader of an online whiskey enthusiast group. The information was then sold to bourbon aficionados, giving them an edge over other collectors.
States persist with liquor control schemes partly because they generate revenue for the government. Between 2020 and 2022, Oregon reports, the OLCC "contributed more than $625 million to Oregon programs, counties, and cities," about half of which went into the state's general fund. But those systems also cost money, and the people who run them are not necessarily careful in how they spend it.
For years, the OLCC has planned to build a new liquor warehouse. The cost estimate for the project ballooned from $62 million in 2019 to $145 million in 2022—a 133 percent increase. In 2021, the OLCC purchased 33 acres for the warehouse in Canby. It paid more than $40 million for the land, which had recently sold for just $6 million and was appraised at $22 million just before the OLCC bought it.
The purchase terms were so egregious that Oregon's Public Lands Advisory Committee rejected the deal. It was one of only two such rejections in more than a decade, the committee chair told Jefferson Public Radio. That decision was merely advisory, however, and the OLCC proceeded with the purchase anyway.
The OLCC has pitched the warehouse project as a way to expand liquor options for Oregonians. But it represents a costly expansion of an already objectionable state power.
For a decade, the Northwest Grocery Association (NGA), a consortium of grocery chains that operates in multiple states, has been trying to end Oregon's state liquor monopoly. An NGA-backed ballot initiative would have allowed the sale of distilled spirits in grocery stores, which is already legal in the neighboring states of California and Washington. That measure failed to qualify for the 2022 ballot because of pandemic-related challenges to signature gathering.
When the ballot measure was pulled, a rival group, Keep It Local, backed by beer distributors and teachers unions, released a triumphant statement, calling the stalled privatization push a "misguided proposal to dismantle the system of liquor sales that works." On the contrary, the revelations about the OLCC make it clear that the system works best for the powerful and connected who can manipulate it toward their ends.
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What do you add to your mountain dew then?
I can't speak for the original poster, but I like single-malt scotch in my Mountain Dew.
Though I prefer Diet Mountain Dew for personal reasons.
Good point. Don’t want to add calories to the dew unless single barrel.
People who ruin a good scotch and dew with a blend should be shot.
Each to their own. I don't drink soda. Mostly water, some coffee or tea and a beer after work.
The rare alcohol market is definitely a strange duck, and that is made worse by these asshole regulators. The first thing to understand is that price isn’t primarily driven by quality. It is driven by price sensitivity, rarity and the story.
I have been lucky enough to have tasted $2500 bottles of whiskey, and $6000 bottles of wine. They are not fantastic, mind blowing quality. In blind tests, 30 year scotches don’t do better than 18s. I was at a blind tasting where a $600, rare Bordeaux (Denarus, below), lost to a Napa Cab Franc that you can get all day for $80.
Driving these prices is not the quality, but the price sensitivity of buyers. A demand curve is a curve- most people focus on where it intersects the supply curve, because that where the *most* people will buy at a quantity suppliers support. But there are still more people who will demand that same wine at a higher price, and so producers are always looking to attract those buyers’ prices while also keeping the market for buyers at the lower price.
This is the reason behind day-0 downloadable content and “collector’s editions” for video games- producers have set a price for most of the market, but they want to capture more money from those consumers further up on the demand curve, who would have paid 20% more anyways.
The same is true for rare alcohols. Liber Pater sold a 2011 bottle of wine made from un-grafted pre-phylloxera vines. Those bottles were going for around $1500 on the open market. Starting in 2015, Liber Pater segmented their market. They now offer a $400 bottle (Denarus) made with mostly ungrafted grapes, and a limited release- 500 bottles made, 200 bottles released- of pure ungrafted grapes. Those sell for $30,000.
This is a brilliant marketing move. Denarus targets the bottom of the demand curve, while the flagship Liber Pater unlocks the dollars of people with much lower price sensitivity. Instead of one $6000 bottle that only mostly rich people could buy, now the well off can access these vines while the ultra rich have something special to spend on.
We can see where government mandates prevent this type of price discovery. When you fix prices, people are still price sensitive, but instead of a pricing dialogue between the producer and the consumer, it is convoluted by middlemen and bureaucrats.
This isn’t to say that middle men are bad. With casks of scotch, middle men usually shoulder risk and inventory in order to take a cask from 20 years to 30 years. They are adding value. This is different from a government official who creates false scarcity with mandates, and “adds value” by making themselves one of the few able to sell.
18 is a very good age for Scotch. I find that after that it picks up too much of the wood. I had a 40 year old Bowmore that I thought was terrible. Then again I thought the 25 year Laphroaig was amazing.
It also isn't just rarity. I have a few bottles where only 4000 bottles were produced, but nobody knows about them so they aren't that expensive. It needs to be just rare enough that everyone knows about it, but there isn't enough for everyone to have some.
I won a bottle of 21 year old Hibiki Suntory…what’s that…$1200 right now? It tasted like someone had taken a 10 year whiskey, dropped a couple ice-cubes in it, and left it on the counter all day and served it to me warm. I definitely agree that older whiskeys lose a lot of depth. (And yet strangely, the critics who know what they are tasting- rather than a double blind test- always give these old bottles 2 – 3 point premiums in their ratings. Please.)
My brother and I split a case of Crown Royal XR back in 2015 for a hunting trip. The bottles were $80 a pop, and we each got 6. My 2 remaining bottles are now worth $1400 – $2500. Understand that these are absolutely mediocre bottles. The barrels they came from were made the exact same way they have made for a hundred years, and blended with other barrels still being made today. The difference is that they came from the Waterloo distillery, which burned down, and will never produce another industrially-distilled batch of mediocre whiskey ever again.
I am now doing a lot more alcohol investing, and this is the most important thing to understand about these bottles: There are people out there today who will think NOTHING of dropping $30,000 on a bottle of whiskey. They are billionaires or people spending other peoples’ money (executives at companies) for whom $30k is as painful as you or I dropping $20 on a cocktail.
All you need to do is give these people a reason to spend $30,000. And that is where the exclusivity and story come in. The people spending $2,000 on a bottle of Crown XR don’t care about the whiskey, so much as they care about the idea of buying an experience. $2,000 is no more painful to them than $10 for a movie is to us. But whereas we saw some terrible CGI, they get to be one of the last people in the world to ever taste mediocre whiskey from this silent distillery.
I am not saying I agree with them. I am just saying I have started to understand.
I'm thinking whiskey critics really just like drinking wood water.
I find it interestingly that with aged tequilas the critics unusually rate the older expressions about 1 point lower per year of aging. Seems to peak somewhere between 3 and 5 years and then it is downhill. Doesn't mean they don't cost a lot more.
To quote biden "I like my bourbon like I like my children 12 years old and mixed up in coke"
I had a guy who once told me whiskey and dew was basically an ole fashioned. Lime, sugar (simple syrup), and whiskey.
Just another perk of the bureaucracy.
Which they totally deserve since their pay is so low, there are so few perks to the job, no fancy pensions, retirement benefits non-existent, job security is so low, etc. It really sucks to be a humble public servant.
Nothing surprising here.
https://twitter.com/AnechoicMedia_/status/1659795723037097985?t=X8fsg7W9PYEnzaP-8OGs2g&s=19
A literal poster subject of the model "non-violent drug offender" ends up arrested for murder after his release.
The reality is that those in prison for drug charges are almost as likely as any other offender to be re-arrested for violence after their release.
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Is that Putin's excuse?
https://twitter.com/cliftonaduncan/status/1659780057118785538?t=y3yO_UV3imZ0BGpd0pnuyQ&s=19
This is the narrative now.
The "emergency", and the death toll—which anyone paying attention is skeptical about—is the shield against all criticism of the disastrous response.
The Covidian Left destroyed far more lives than it saved, and must never be made to acknowledge it.
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Nuh uh - Jfree
God he is an insufferable twat.
The “emergency”, and the death toll—which anyone paying attention is skeptical about—is the shield against all criticism of the disastrous response.
Lesson learned: Next time we're asked for two weeks death tolls and consequences don't matter.
No. The difference between you is that your thinking contributed to a million deaths and his thinking returned abortion regulation back to the States and not the Federal Government.
Lesson learned: Next time we’re asked for two weeks death tolls and consequences don’t matter.
In case the self-reference between the two points was missed: there are still, right now, people out fully defending their actions as right thinking. Imagine Hitler dies in the early days of the regime and, trials are held, it’s revealed that 15,000 people were locked in concentration camps in NYC alone, high profile paragons of “right thinking” ask for amnesty backhandedly, and there are *still* people out there on the tallest and furthest reaching of soap boxes history has ever known: “No mistakes were made. We were doing the intelligent thing.”
No, Mr. Binion, four guys assaulting a pregnant woman on the streets for a bike is not someone else’s business. Mankind’s greatest threat for at least the last 100 yrs., if not the last ~2000, has been other humans. Only an idiot seeking to keep the keep people misinformed would say, “Just ignore what they’re saying and doing in public.”
What ghouls.
"We needed to lock kids in their rooms for a year, and keep people from getting the treatments they desperately required to prevent millions of deaths...And these millions of deaths prove it!"
https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1659890487116066816?t=X-XecPiTsVWvWgLI4R167A&s=19
Seeing the output of state legislatures on this issue and the conduct and bearing of state legislators is disturbing and raises questions about democracy and constitutional government
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Dangers to the republic. Also, Pluggo most hurt.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/19/the-fbi-is-a-danger-to-democracy/
In a democracy, we rely on security services like the FBI to remain politically neutral. But in the case of Trump and Russiagate, the FBI was politically partisan and abused its power. It effectively allowed itself to become a political weapon for the Democrats.
One of Durham’s bombshells is that the FBI had no basis for opening its ‘Crossfire Hurricane’ investigation into links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies in July 2016, just months before the November election. The FBI lacked ‘any actual evidence of collusion’ between Trump and Russia, and instead relied on ‘raw, unanalysed and uncorroborated intelligence’. The agency was so eager to nail Trump that it violated its normal standards and assessment process. Indeed, Durham found that in 2016, FBI officials ‘discounted or willfully ignored material information that did not support the narrative of a collusive relationship between Trump and Russia’.
In sum, the FBI was warned that the Clinton campaign was hatching a Trump-Russia collusion scandal and it had evidence that the Steele dossier was tied to the Clinton campaign. And yet despite being aware of all this, it still used this very dodgy dossier to justify spying on the Trump campaign.
Don't you want the king's men to support the king? Or at least whoever they think should be king?
They're America's Janissaries or Praetorian Guard picking the next Sultan or Caesar.
That will help me sleep easy.
Nuh uh - you know who they are
Wasn't this scheme tried previously?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrat-bill-would-pack-supreme-court-lessen-conservative-influence
Senate Democrats unveiled a new bill that would pack the Supreme Court by adding four new seats beyond the current nine seats, a move that could lead to the loss of the court’s current conservative majority.
The legislation comes after President Joe Biden’s commission on Supreme Court reform failed in December 2021 to recommend expanding the size of the nation’s highest court. Public approval of the court has fallen in recent years, according to polls. The late Democratic President Franklin Roosevelt tried to pack the court in the 1930s after it kept striking down his New Deal policies but the plan ultimately went nowhere after the public and lawmakers from his own party turned against it.
Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) unveiled his new legislation, the proposed Judiciary Act of 2023 (pdf), at a press conference on the steps of the Supreme Court on May 16.
I wouldn't want to be anyone nominated for one of those positions. That seems likely to have a very short lifespan.
That seems likely to have a very short lifespan.
If only professionally. Short and, very rightfully, brutal.
I can't wait for the 100 member SC.
330 million. Pay them all a minimum wage of $1M per year. All trials over Zoom. Eliminate the death penalty. Maximum sentence of 50 yrs. house arrest with no minimum. Penalties stack at the DA's discretion.
Kill like 8 or 9 social justice stones with one Jim Eagle.
But Ron DeSantis is in the middle of a feud with Disney! Please look over there instead.
The news that the fake, fugazi libertarians of Reason (just like the rest of their friends in the leftie media) don't want you to know and refuse to talk about whatsoever: a couple of days ago, three FBI whistleblowers testified openly about what is going on now in the rotten corrupt FBI and Justice Department.
And these whistleblowers have names: Garrett O'Boyle, Steve Friend, and Marcus Allen. You can watch their testimony and hear their stories here:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/05/18/watch_live_fbi_whistleblowers_testify_at_weaponization_of_government_hearing.html
The father who had the FBI transfer him to a new location, sell his house, then fire him the first day of transfer while keeping his possessions locked up was disheartening.
It really was. Obama and Biden ate evil, wicked men.
I guess we are at a new level of evil. Again.
Arrest, indict, and imprison the perjurious criminal "Doctor" Anthony Fauci..
Impeach Garland
Impeach Mayorkas.
And last but not least, impeach the scumbag-in-chief Joe Biden. Yep, I said it yet again!
And I’m just going to keep on saying it over and over and over and over and over again here every single week until we the American people get what we voted for: some justice and accountability for the three years (and counting) of absolute hell these bastards have put this country through because of their lies and crimes.
"Farewell, FBI: The bureau I once knew and loved is gone "
https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/farewell-fbi-the-bureau-i-once-knew-and-loved-is-gone/
The FBI that agents like me were once so proud to be a part of is gone. It’s been destroyed by wokeness and outright politicization.
This week’s release of the Durham report shows senior leaders either manufactured evidence or purposely ignored established protocols to pursue the solely political Crossfire Hurricane farce probe into Trump-Russia “collusion.”
Then on Thursday three FBI whistleblowers, including a combat vet and a decorated Marine FBI professional-support employee, testified before the House, laying bare the bureau’s retaliation against them after they came forward to describe politically partisan decision-making and the weaponization of a once rigidly apolitical agency.
The bureau once attracted eager, qualified applicants to hunt down terrorists, dismantle violent street gangs and stymie China’s spying.
Now FBI 2.0 lures aspiring crimefighters with its Diversity Advisory Committee and Employee Resource Group.
For so many retired FBI agents, these gratuitous DEI efforts are beyond shameful — contributing to the pedestal-toppling of an FBI we sweated for and bled to honor.
Guy's got a glorified martyr complex is he thinks the FBI used to have a sterling reputation. It was corrupt and incompetent under J. Edgar Hoover, and it's continued to be corrupt and incompetent ever since. The current corruption and incompetence are nothing new. Crime labs faking evidence, entrapment, pen and paper note taking as the only recording of interviews.
"Guy’s got a glorified martyr complex is he thinks the FBI used to have a sterling reputation. It was corrupt and incompetent under J. Edgar Hoover, and it’s continued to be corrupt and incompetent ever since. The current corruption and incompetence are nothing new. Crime labs faking evidence, entrapment, pen and paper note taking as the only recording of interviews."
This is such a sad attempt to defend the status quo
Eh? How am I defending the status quo?
"The FBI should have been shut down decades ago."
"You're just defending the status quo!"
Nardz thinks if you're not quite ready to start shooting now, you're a coward and a pussy.
Maybe history will prove him right, but I personally don't think we're quite there yet.
I feel that the establishment is prepared to crush a small revolt and is actively trying to bait one. They want to pop the blister before it gets too big.
I think we’re still at that “awkward stage”.
It’s getting late though.
The problem is that once we eliminate any problem government organizations, we're still stuck with the same public that put them in power in the first place.
By saying that there's no difference now vs previously, thus implying "no biggie".
You're distracting from the current threat by handwaving it away as nothing special.
It's pure cope.
It's pure cope to say the FBI was once an upstanding organization. They're crooks just like the rest of the state apparatus. Are they getting worse? Absolutely, the state doesn't generally shrink so this is the expected trajectory, but they've always been shit.
You're assuming that because ... what, that because I haven't already shot a few FBI agents that I have acquiesced in their continued existence? That because I don't object to serial murderers that I somehow accept single murderers?
Huh. And how much crime and corruption today have you not yet complained about, thus accepting them as business as usual, just a continuation of previous lesser crimes?
Some damn drunk fool around here rammed a power pole and I was on generator for 22 hours. I don't recall you complaining here. Does that mean you think this drunk was just business as usual, when the last drunk's power outage only lasted 6 hours?
"The current corruption and incompetence are nothing new."
You've been shown how your analogy sucks. Is repeating it the best you can do? Try a new analogy. Try to rebut the rebuttal. Try to be honest in your criticisms.
There's no analogy.
I'm directly saying that you're downplaying recent FBI crimes, and doing so implicitly defends the status quo.
And you’re wrong. Pointing out that the FBI has always been shit doesn’t mean you’re a fan of any flavor of the shit.
No it’s not Nardz, that’s just the history of the Bureau.
It was corrupt and incompetent under J. Edgar Hoover,
Even at it's best is was only killing and feeding fewer people than the crime rings it was busting up.
"This week’s release of the Durham report shows senior leaders either manufactured evidence or purposely ignored established protocols to pursue the solely political Crossfire Hurricane farce probe into Trump-Russia “collusion.”"
ENB: But it was not "major wrongdoing"!
https://twitter.com/CheburekiMan/status/1659787747182415874?t=7TP5KkMTpoR4g-9r9TvXDQ&s=19
The Kinzhal attack on the Patriot system likely resulted in NATO mercs getting liquidated. According to Military Watch Magazine, it's not possible to train proficient operators in the time it took from decision to deployment.
Given that one system came from the US and the other from Germany, the Patriot operating personnel in Kiev are likely German and American.
It seems Western personnel are performing many roles in Ukraine, including extensive CIA stealth networks.
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In response to the Durham report, the FBI claimed it fixed many of the FISA and 702 issues. In reality a finding showed over 270,000 misues of the 702 database.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-improperly-used-warrantless-search-powers-278000-times-2021-fisa-court-filing-reveals
Many of these illegal uses were done on response to the J6 investigation.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/fisa-court-reveals-fisa-abuses-fbi-capitol-riot-investigation
In other words, the FBI is still openly political and violating basic laws. This is also true with getting records such as from BoA for every debit or credit swipe foe the weekend of J6.
It can't be fixed, it's utterly unsalvageable.
Fortunately it was always also redundant.
Break it up and assign its necessary tasks and assets to the federal and state agencies already also performing them.
https://twitter.com/bog_beef/status/1659685851725455361?t=_RjsQQF2rgoJnyEXu5WA-g&s=19
Every now and then I get a clinical example of patronage, my topic. The reason the thing is stupid is because it’s not the point; it’s a meaningless widget that democrats need to distribute money to their friends. All in the picture live and breath DNC politics, for good reason
This is the highest form of politics. You don’t have to like it, in fact, you should try to stop your enemy from doing it. But if you don’t distribute prizes to your essential coalition, you will lose power. This event is a tiny microcosm of why the dems understand politics more
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https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1659556308729692163?t=YkEr7qdSjLndoobPsy66Iw&s=19
The amazing part of this piece of sheet metal on a pole that provides about two square feet of shade and only works if the sun is directly overhead is that the city of LA paid this vendor *$500,000* to develop it. It doesn't move or do anything. This is it. Spectacular grift.
They've also managed to sell it as a "gender equity" piece of perforated metal on a pole, so congrats ladies, you've made it
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That is the most hilarious part about it. Thousands of blue-check twitterati probably liked the shit out of the first announcement of their "Gender Equity Grants" and went on to spew spittle at some other culture war item. They will never know that they supported the gift of $500,000 to some politically connected contractor to do nothing more than wrap a metal signpost with sheet metal and hang a perforated piece of metal and a lightbulb from it. The project is less than useless. It doesn't shade shit, and that light will be broken and needing repair in less than a year.
It's almost directly under a streetlamp too
It doesn't even appear to be IIIA rated. - Chicago
I know they’ve made in roads with different groups since 2016, but is there any way the GOP could realistically get away with doing something like this and not get called out for blatant corruption/vote buying?
Another dem led insurrection, this time in Nebraska. Cops attacked, biological weapons in the form of bloody tampons, legislative sessions stopped. Truly a seditious conspiracy that even contained spoken conspiracy instead of just unspoken ones.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nebraska-police-arrest-least-person-state-capitol-lawmakers-approve-abortion-transgender-bill
Bidens Ed Sec.
Secretary Miguel Cardona
@SecCardona
Teachers know what is best for their kids because they are with them every day.
We must trust teachers.
This is a repeated statement from democrats.
Every day except Saturday and Sunday, and 100 days every Summer, and any time there's a strike or "emergency action", and the fact that well more than half of teachers and administrators, even in my kids' own schools, don't see my kids on the days they're there...
I may or may not trust my teacher. But that is my choice. I am the parent and I get to decide who to trust, not some bureaucrat 1000 miles away in Washington. It is *because* the teacher spends so much time with my kids, and will not bear the costs of any pains they cause, that we should give them the most scrutiny.
The constant degradation of test scores is clear: This notion that teachers "know best" is nonsense. And even if they did, it doesn't matter. They can practice their superior skills and discretion on their own children. But with my kids, they work for me.
Well in Bumfuck, Mississippi there’s some poor 7 year old trans kid who was thinking of committing suicide because their Christian parents said that’s an affront to god, but didn’t because their teacher valiantly stepped in and uses the right pronouns and let’s her change into a dress when SHE gets to school. If parents weren’t such bigoted assholes (violating the NAP by not getting their child affirming care), brave teachers wouldn’t have to step in to do the right thing behind their backs.
"Whose streets? OUR STREETS!"
"Whose kids? OUR KIDS!"
Pre-natal: a clump of cells that belongs entirely to the uterus anti-birthing person.
Post-natal: a compliant subject that belongs to the state.
uterus anti-birthing person
You're just trying to dehumanize and void the rights of every barbie pouch, marsupial, transgenerational meat sack, rejuvenation pool, incubation chamber, gestation pod, and Axlotl tank in the spectrum in order to enact A Handmaid's Tale.
Bigot.
Yup.
Texas hospitals continued to treat kids as young as 11 for castration drugs, hormones, and even surgeries after stating they would no longer perform these acts on minors.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/texas-childrens-hospital-performs-sex-change-procedures-on-children-as-young-as-11-report
No, no. White Mike swears to us this never ever happens.
Well, Mike will be in here eventually to (accurately) point out that none of this is Genital Surgery in his standard Liarson Maneuver.
But these show how disingenuous his argument is. You don't need to mutilate a vagina or penis to still do irreparable damage to a child's body, and consign them to a life of disruptive, often expensive medical procedures.
In any situation where a person is incapable of making decisions for themselves (i.e. children, elderly, incapacitated) the trustee is not given carte blanch freedom to make any decision a normal person could make for themselves. Their goal should always be to make the best appropriate decision that gets the ward to a point where they can make these decisions for themselves.
This is why we tend to frown on parents who "live vicariously" through their children- pushing them to do sports or dance in a way they never could. These parents are abusing the trust of position for their own benefit.
Have no doubt- top surgery and puberty blockers impart irreversible, drastic changes on children. We do not have great data on what happens to a child 20 years from now who has puberty blocked. We do know that top-surgery for girls means they will never be able to nurse again, even if they decide their transition was a mistake (this is unlike breast reduction surgery, where mammary glands are left intact).
The moral course of action for parents who think their kids ought to be a different gender is to safely get them to the age of majority where they have the competency to make those decisions for themselves. It is well known that not 20 years ago, even adults had to go through many trials before transitioning, medical doctors understood that the process is extremely disruptive, and requires significant, lifelong dedication to the process.
Nah. He will brag about how he perma muted me and use it as justification to not respond.
We do not have great data on what happens to a child 20 years from now who has puberty blocked.
We do not have great data on healthy children having their puberty blocked. We have great data on unhealthy children getting their puberty blocked one way or the other and the tools for the treatment of these undesirable and bad physical conditions are being abused to treat a psychological one. It was viable as a hypothesis or experiment, but the first several experiments, including the seminal proof-of-concept were, and I'm using the quality and forensic engineering term in full force here, catastrophic failures.
Eventually a lot of these doctors will be killed by their victims.
In a story that old reason would normally be interested in....
The story a few months back of Biden bragging of killing a top Al Queda member.... turns out he was just a bricklayer, father of 10, tending to his sheep.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-admin-walks-back-claim-that-it-killed-major-al-qaeda-figure-in-airstrike-killed-father-of-10-report
Diane/Paul mentioned this yesterday, but I don't remember if he provided the details
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1659860176650862592?t=AIsUceRpezFgEfh3sbshdg&s=19
Seattle’s Homeless Task Force nominated Thomas Whitaker to its board. The homeless man:
• 2010 raped 13yo
• 2012 raped 15yo
• 2018 found living with a minor
He ALSO previously molested a fellow board member. The board admonished the member for bringing up Whitaker’s criminal history. The sex offender remains on the board responsible for allocating millions in taxpayer funds.
The co-chair of a Seattle Homelessness Authority defended a registered sex offender’s appointment. But the committee includes one of his alleged victims. When the victim spoke up, she was loudly shouted down.
Seattle official refuses to resign after defending convicted pedophile's nomination. The official went into a fit of rage and defended a convicted pedophile's nomination for a board seat after a fellow board member revealed he had molested her.
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"He ALSO previously molested a fellow board member. The board admonished the member for bringing up Whitaker’s criminal history."
Peak progressive.
Also opposite/stupid world.
Heard the audio of this on the radio. The bitch actually said that “sex offenders are one of our most vulnerable populations.”
Peak progressive, indeed.
The story about several veterans getting kicked out of a New York State hotel to make room for a busload of asylum seekers was the latest focus for conservative outrage, but, as I pointed out here, reporting last week into the veracity of the story was lazy. Reporters mostly repeated the original news report. One made a phone call to the hotel headquarters, who knew nothing — and apparently none bothered taking such simple action as walking into the hotel and asking the manager at the front desk for their side of the story:
Looks like a local reporter finally did some digging:
https://midhudsonnews.com/2023/05/19/homeless-men-recruited-for-veteran-hotel-scam/
“The men told Mid-Hudson News on Thursday night that they were part of a group of 15 men that were supposed to pretend they were veterans that had been kicked out of the Crossroads Hotel in the Town of Newburgh last Friday, in advance of the arrival of migrants brought up from New York City.”
Probably a good reason to believe government censorship is a minor issue like you said yesterday huh?
Any comments on the NYC bike theft attempt?
Never happened; and she was a white supremist racist.
"the YIT Foundation, which claims had housed the homeless veterans at the hotel.
The foundation and its director, Sharon Toney-Finch, appear to have fabricated the entire story"
Wait. So a homelessness foundation drums up a phony story for donations and it's somehow illegal immigration opponents fault?
Not getting the connection, Mikey.
"was the latest focus for conservative outrage, but, as I pointed out here,"
Who here was upset, Mike? You're so consistently disingenuous and full of shit.
I'm glad that they found out that this is a hoax.
Unlike Mike who will insist he would never be fooled by such hoaxes, we should be willing to call a spade a spade. Here is Mike, 2 days after spreading the Ivermectin hoax, insisting that he would never fall for such things.
https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/?comments=true#comment-9092045
And, by the way, those who are right-leaning SHOULD be disappointed about this. Reporting has fallen a LONG, LONG way. If we want the media to be better, one of the ways they can be better is by verifying their stories and doing a little diligence.
I remember how during the pandemic, stupid models forced the 2-weeks to flatten the curve nonsense. These models were just that: mathematical projections. They were not tested by reality, and yet they were not just presented as "this could happen", they were presented as "This is happening!". There was a week or so period where everyone was watching New York. "The outbreak has happened! Are we at the peak? Hospitals are at capacity!"
And what happened? NOTHING. Despite breathlessly reporting what a bunch of excel spreadsheets predicted would happen, no one actually picked up a fucking phone and called the hospitals. Plague camps in Madison Square Gardens and Hospital Ships went empty, but as far as everyone locked in their houses knew, we were stacking bodies on the side of the road.
The same thing happened in Covington and Mike's Ivermectin hoax (as well as this story)- people believed the statements of political hacks and never bothered to do any due-diligence.
I was incensed by this during the 2020 recounts. To this day, you can go to Gateway Pundit and find their articles claiming they found the "Smoking Guns" of fraud, where their own comments have people saying, "Look I agree with you guys, but your math is wrong here."
If you want to claim that the "Liberal Media" is bad, you need to be willing to hold "Conservative Media" to a higher standard. If you do not do that, they *will* only lie to you, because it is easier than reporting the truth.
From what I read most on the right admitted they were wrong and were upset at being lied to. Opposite of Russian hoax.
Good for them. The biggest problem for conservatives have been the cynical charlatans. The Tea Party was co-opted by those fucks, who created shitty little funds, like "Tea Party Brigade of TN" and then used the name to funnel off millions of dollars that could have otherwise been used to push forward a fiscally sensible agenda.
Likewise, these media charlatans like Gateway Pundit should also be held to account. They aren't helping the conservative media- they are shilling for clicks, and don't care if it makes real, actual messages less believable due to their lies.
So a non-profit lied and the media couldn’t even do the most basic of investigations for days?
I’m big enough to admit that even though I didn’t comment on that story, it did raise my hackles a bit, so I’m glad to learn it was false. Not that I should be surprised on either count, which is why so many of us commenters pick on journalists, the media, and Reason in particular.
Prominent Foe of Female Genital Mutilation Wins Prestigious Templeton Prize
You don't hear much about the horrors of Female Genital Mutilation these days. It used to be all the rage, with Hollywood actors fulminating, claiming conservatives didn't care, charges of racism, dragging circumcision and anti-semitism into it because of the Jews.
I was frankly surprised to see this story in these woke days where child genital mutilation is all the rage nowadays. Not only has the horror switched 180° to the evil people who try to stop child genital mutilation, teachers brag about convincing pre-school kids to think they need puberty blockers -- remember when they used to be so horrible that they couldn't even be used voluntarily as chemical castration by rapists? -- and genital mutilation surgery.
Reason, and especially Scott Shackford, have destroyed their reputation by siding with the mutilators. Even a complete reversal back to being horrified by personal pronouns would take years to recover your reputation as libertarians.
Religious reasons for mutilation bad.
Liberal religious reasons for mutilation good.
Don't see why you're confused here.
Clitorectomies are bad unless you're also gouging out the vaginia and uterus and then sewing the gaping hole shut. Then it's sacred.
Yeah. [Glances at calendar] 10 yrs. ago, circumcision was mutilation despite the fact that it, by the anti-circumcision crowd’s own assertion, produced no diminished amount of enjoyment or function; but chemically and surgically scorching the Earth and piling ashes into the shape of a vulva or sticking a purely decorative plastic phallus on top is just medicine.
I’m willing to admit that male circumcision, by my own standards, would also violate a theoretical son’s body autonomy.
I still think uncircumcised penis’ look fucking ridiculous though.
Assuming non-destructive/purely cosmetic, if a smattering of 10-15 states had over-protected anti-circumcision rights or 10-15 states had under-protected circumcision rights I would still be more offended by people hanging a flag about it.
Just like censorship, and government propaganda, and Supreme Court justices, and voting shenanigans, and...
Female Genital Mutilation in Kurdistan Nick Gillespie | 12.29.2008 11:08 AM
Female Genital Mutilation Remains Widespread in Many Countries Marian Tupy | 10.25.2016 7:00 AM
Reason used to care about this stuff. But then along came Trump, and Reason went woke.
Not all "female genital mutilation" is destructive, they say, with some procedures no more problematic than male circumcision. Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 2.25.2016 3:15 PM
TBF, that was before Trump had even won the nomination, but it does show how ridiculous ENB has been for, does math, 7 years now (at least).
Car thieves open fire with homeowner outside. Homeowner fires back to defend himself. 2 guesses on who was arrested.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-man-charged-felony-reckless-endangerment-returning-fire-armed-auto-thieves
Disappointing to see in Tennessee.
It's Memphis/Shelby Co. Not surprising at all.
2 guesses on
whowhich survivor was arrested.I'm OK with not charging formerly-violent car thieves.
“ Deputies say the man told them that he couldn’t clearly see what he was targeting and admitted to firing shots with his eyes closed due to being scared and shooting at the suspects as they fled, the outlet noted.”
First, that seems like poor gun control, but having never been in that kind of situation, I wouldn’t hold it against him.
Second, never fucking talk to the cops.
Someone made the comment about that with “we need training for gun owners” oblivious to anything beyond the target of getting this man to fire at car thieves with his eyes open. Jail or fine him, or anyone else, for not even firing the gun? Presume him, or anyone else, guilty of harm without any actual demonstrable harm? Enact cruel and unusual punishment for a non-crime?
Always treat every comment as though it were loaded. Never put a “we need” in a comment intended to fire “they should” ammunition. Common sense comment control. No harm, no foul.
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1659920989134761985?t=-Gue2M0L86_v_1dhsCnvLg&s=19
EQUITY: No jail time for man armed with knives, a machete, matches, lighters, and several Molotov cocktails for lighting two Asian men on fire. He also faced a felony gun charge in a domestic assault case. The Democrat DA is giving him a second chance.
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You're just defending the status quo.
Democrats have defended terrorists since the 19th century.
Why change now?
Probably those things are his cultural expressions, so we must accept them. Also, Asians are like white people but sometimes worse.
Detroit continues to focus on the wrong people: https://www.foxnews.com/us/200k-bail-set-detroit-clerk-locked-door-shoplifter-shot-customers
"A magistrate set bond at $200,000 for Al-Hassan Aiyash, 22, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of a customer. He is accused of being grossly negligent by locking the door when a man tried to leave the gas station with items worth less than $4."
Because, of course, it's this dude's fault the other asshole was a psycho willing to shoot people over $4 worth of stuff.
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That's what he gets for not leaving his doors unlocked. Don't want to get robbed and "let off the hook" for not doing anything wrong like an Asian convenience store clerk? Don't, uh, leave your doors unlocked until, uh, the violent robber is inside and trying to leave with stolen merchandise, uh, like he would with an Asian convenience store clerk who, uh, leaves his doors unlocked.
Now Asians are worse than white people.
I wish this were treated like insider trading.
They should be shot in the head for corruption.
https://twitter.com/BonifaceOption/status/1659592331471749124?t=b3LgYJzE_J_z2z9WMpBr1A&s=19
The Left is facilitating a third-world invasion of our country, is radically socially engineering our entire society including removing the genitals of children, and has made it illegal for white people to defend themselves—Thank God for our Constitution!
The real reason American kulaks are not being liquidated is because our society is so feminized they cannot bring themselves to summon that level of brutality.
That's it. Not "the Constitution."
The hatred and resentment is all there already.
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The Constitution is about as useful as used toilet paper if the political establishment just ignores it.
Correct.
Oh Shit! Turns out RFK Jr. is a Bitcoiner. What will Reason do now?
"The Right To Own Bitcoin Shall Be Inviolate" – RFK Jr Delivers Historic Keynote
https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/right-own-bitcoin-shall-be-inviolate-rfk-jr-delivers-historic-keynote
RFK stated unequivocally “The trucker demonstration was peaceful”, and that freedom of money was as paramount as freedom of speech. “When I witnessed this... devastating use of government repression, I realized for the first time how free money is as important as free expression.”
“Guess what? The government always has a good excuse to take away your rights”, as he began to rattle off now familiar iterations of “the latest thing” that was supposed to be a larger, collective cause that was more important than our individual civil and human rights:
Terrorism, Covid, pandemics, climate the list goes on, “Utopia will come when the government can exercise total control over the population”.
Also looks like he may no longer be the radical environmentalist he once was.
"While encouraging Bitcoin miners to continue optimizing for renewable, clean energy (something the Bitcoin industry is actually way ahead of then most of the green-washed Wall St darlings of corporate America), he also came down hard on climate alarmists saying that as an environmentalist himself, energy usage and environmental concerns should never be used a a pretext to suppress Bitcoin.
"First, I will defend the right of self custody of bitcoin and other digital assets," he said.
“Second, I will uphold the right to run a node at home...
Third, I will defend use-neutral, industry-neutral regulation of energy...
Fourth, I will make sure that the United States remains the global hub of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies...
I will reverse the government’s growing hostility toward this industry.”
"Oh Shit! Turns out RFK Jr. is a Bitcoiner. What will Reason do now?"
Nothing... unless Charles Koch or their blue bubble twitter feeds tell them to.
Well Reason does publish a lot of pro Bitcoin articles I presume because sugar daddy is heavily invested in it. Granted, the coverage doesn't rise to the level of food trucks and open borders. If RFK Jr. comes out in favor of deregulating food trucks I predict there will be a strongly worded memo on editors emails.
There are suckers across the political spectrum
Don't talk badly about your dear leader Soros Sir Cracker of Shrike. He might hear you. He is well invested in crypto.
Lol, Cracker of Shrike. Love it.
It is indeed amusing, though to be accurate that would make "Cracker" a first name, not a surname.
TBH I didn't know that Soros was heavily into crypto. I thought he'd be smarter than that...or possibly it's old age.
There is no such thing as a centralized government authority that isn't corrupt.
Take heart, comrades. Soon we will replace crony fascism with crony socialism!
Oregon liquor regulators were caught diverting prized whiskey for personal use.
And they probably used it in mixed drinks.
Or shots.
https://twitter.com/thejournalista/status/1659653089241206789?t=_ZyjCW6xTMuXlxa8S3QuRw&s=19
At the end of the day, the receipts don't matter. The bike doesn't matter. Sarah Jane Comrie's actions in that moment are what matter.
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Going to Twitter is like visiting the insane asylum.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1660054215325016064?t=CGh-TVr8VdpY6noA-4JMuw&s=19
Pregnant hospital worker falsely accused of stealing black man’s Citi Bike now in HIDING due to death threats
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It was like 5 seconds of video and she’s trying to extrapolate that into an indictment of the pregnant nurses actions and character.
Fuck that bitch.
My new favorite is the:
"Her lawyer brought receipts!"
"Oh, sure, her *lawyer* says she's innocent."
Motherfucker the whole thing started because of 2 min. of video shot by an accomplice.
“I am making a good salary working from home being an Oregon liquor regulator”.
You are supposed to start off with “hey Mike, nice article “.
Rats, busted 🙂
$50,000+ is ridiculous for any whiskey. I note that the most expensive scotch - in the hundred thousands or even millions - tends to be expensive because of the decanter or bottle, not the whisky.
As far as aged quality liquor is concerned, Armagnac is probably the best value. You can still find vintage examples for reasonable prices - in the low hundreds or even double digits. Calvados used to be, but it got "discovered".
Looking like January 6 was an insurrection of sorts after all.
Why the FBI And Democrats Are Attacking Whistleblowers
FBI says it won’t release Jan 6 surveillance video because it would show too many undercover government agents and informants...
According to one source 100-200 Secret Service agents alone were undercover at the Capitol during the riot on January 6.
There can be no peaceful coexistence with the left/establishment.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1659903095843815424?t=7ipB3n4TLx2jnaoZt7UxRw&s=19
GOP presidential hopefuls have lined up to support Daniel Penny, a Marine veteran who pinned Jordan Neely to the subway floor in a fatal chokehold. The rush to back Penny recalls how top Republicans embraced Kyle Rittenhouse after he killed two protesters.
In case you hadn't noticed.
https://americanmind.org/features/new-koch/
New Koch. A foundation veers left.
A key inflection point was in 2019 at internal staff and all-staff meetings. At that point, Koch had announced a rebrand called “Stand Together”—a name that evokes leftist “solidarity” over individualism. At the meeting, as one mid-level manager recalls, a senior leader announced that terms such as “liberty,” “freedom,” and “constitution” would be downplayed in public communications because those terms “alienate key audiences.”
Mr. Koch had called “capitalism” an incorrect term for his interests at least as early as 2016, but Stand Together and CKF have gone farther. “Economic freedom”—once the primary motivator of hundreds of millions of dollars of investment—is nowhere on the Stand Together Foundation’s website. The term is nowhere to be found in Stand Together’s Twitter history except in the context of women finding “true economic freedom,” and it is virtually absent from Stand Together’s website.
CKF last tweeted about “economic freedom” in August of 2021. “Economic freedom” and “free enterprise” are absent from CKF’s 2022 partner impactstatement. Don’t say freedom when you can say “bottom-up solutions.”
"after the death of David Koch in 2019, the vast majority of Koch giving to the Republican Governors Association ended abruptly. Koch stayed out of the 2020 presidential election."
David was always the libertarian, Charles just wanted to be loved by his peers.
This explains sooooo much.
Socialism will solve the problem.
Yesterday was obviously a day off for the Reason staff, almost zero activity from all their sockpuppet accounts to be seen in this one.
I read the article twice, and did not find out how long the sentences were.
Did I just moss something, or were the crooks democrats?
I'm guessing they are still in control. A couple bottles found thier way into the prosecutors or judges hands and "what crime?"
Sentencing? Please, it happened this year. Our justice system is incapable of moving that fast. According to NPR, 1,038 people were charged in relation to Jan 6 2021. 577 pled guilty, 20 had charges dismissed, and only 86 of the remaining 441 have had trials, let alone sentencing. OJ Simpson was arraigned in June 1994 and was acquitted in October 1995, and Wikipedia says the lawyers "worked around the clock for several months" to make it happen even that fast. Michael Jackson was charged in December 2003 and was acquitted in June 2005. Zimmerman was charged in April 2012 and was acquitted in July 2013. Rittenhouse was arrested in August 2020 and acquitted in November 2021. Etc.
Oooh, I found something that says the Mann defamation trial is actually scheduled. June 12 2023. The lawsuit was filed in October 2012. That's over ten and a half years.
Alcohol control and distribution laws need to be revoked in all 50 states and exist for the sole purpose to enrich the already rich and eliminate competition. PERIOD. They serve no other purpose.
The joke's on the buyers: Pappy tastes awful. I gave away the bottles I bought. Obviously shouldn't have--should've resold them.
Funny thing is he highlights this misinformation while defending vax, censorship, trump russia, j6 to this day.
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Cilantro is the devils weed.
And no I don't mix scotch whiskey or bourbon. But spam can be good.
You shut your whore mouth about Spam. 😛
"Cilantro is the devils weed."
You don't enjoy the complex flavors of dish soap added liberally to your salad or pho?
When I eat dish soap I prefer tide pods to cilantro.
Better without cilantro. Salsa Fresca is a no go for me. Usually make my own.
I definitely have that gene. For years I thought many restaurants just weren't rinsing their dishes properly and getting all the soap off. Then I found out about cilantro.
You mix your Fresca with salsa?
Personally think Glenlivet 12 is better. Similar price point. Both are fine.