Twitter Caved to Censorship Requests From Turkey's Authoritarian Government
Plus: Flight attendants report dad as human trafficker, the suburbs are thriving, and more...

Elon Musk defends suppression of Turkish posts. "In response to legal process and to ensure Twitter remains available to the people of Turkey, we have taken action to restrict access to some content in Turkey today," Twitter's Global Government Affairs account tweeted on Friday.
The tweet didn't say what kind of content had been suppressed nor who had requested this suppression. But if it was done to ensure that Turkish leaders would allow Twitter to remain available, these were probably not posts flattering to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is currently up for reelection. And further comment from CEO Elon Musk suggests content was removed to appease Turkey's authoritarian leadership.
The move has been widely criticized, especially in light of CEO Elon Musk's ongoing insistence (despite ample evidence to the contrary) that he is a stalwart champion of free speech.
Turkey is in the midst of a presidential election—one that seems to be headed for a runoff, since Erdogan does not appear to have captured a majority of the vote. (The final results are not in. But as of now, challenger Kemal Kilicdaroglu has 44.8 percent of the vote, while Erdogan got 49.54 percent.)
"The Turkish government asked Twitter to censor its opponents right before an election and @elonmusk," tweeted journalist Matthew Yglesias on Saturday, adding that this "should generate some interesting Twitter Files reporting." In the Twitter Files, journalists with access to the company's internal documents detailed censorship requests by the U.S. government and others, and the ways previous Twitter leadership dealt with them.
Musk responded: "Did your brain fall out of your head, Yglesias? The choice is have Twitter throttled in its entirety or limit access to some tweets. Which one do you want?"
But providing people in authoritarian regimes with a false sense of public opinion while doing their leaders' bidding hardly helps foster civil liberties.
If Erdogan wanted to suppress opposition content and his only way to make that happen was to throttle all of Twitter, it would presumably be a more difficult call. And if he still chose censorship, it would also force him to alert—and often anger—Turkish citizens in the process.
Instead, Musk made a quasi-dictator's job easier.
Condemnation of Musk's defense flowed from across the political spectrum.
"If Twitter were throttled in its entirety perhaps Turkish voters would better understand the authoritarian tendencies of their government and the costs it's imposing on the nation as a whole," commented conservative journalist Jonah Goldberg. "Throttling the opposition to that govt on election eve doesn't seem optimal imho."
"From a speech perspective the answer is clear: You publicly tell Erdogan no and dare him to throttle the whole app," tweeted Ryan Grim of The Intercept.
It's not just journalists who have been criticizing Musk:
All or nothing, and let the government face the backlash. If you can't stand on this basic principle, what can you stand on?
— ???????? American AF ???????? (@American_AF_) May 13, 2023
We want Twitter to not throttle tweets based on a government's request it throttle those tweets. If that's a hard ask Twitter has serious problems.
— Alex Shepard ???????? (@Sinnersaint39) May 13, 2023
You should not censor - ever.
You're the king of technology. Use it to stop the censorship. Keep twitter open and push to all Turkish users's phones information on how to log in via VPN and set up Starlink for Turkish dissenters.
With the amount of power and money you have,…
— Martha Bueno (@BuenoForMiami) May 13, 2023
Honestly. Let them turn twitter off. Better to let the censorship writ large on the part of the government be exposed than to let twitter carry on doing the bidding of that government. Then make a banner at the top of twitter pointing out what that government is doing. Bring the…
— Robert Whitelaw,CRS - Realtor,Broker,Podcast Host (@rebelbroker) May 13, 2023
Some suggested (not for the first time) that Musk's business interests in Turkey (and other censorship-happy regimes) make him to this sort of pressure.
Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales commented:
What Wikipedia did: we stood strong for our principles and fought to the Supreme Court of Turkey and won. This is what it means to treat freedom of expression as a principle rather than a slogan. https://t.co/tHkx1Wa06r
— Jimmy Wales (@jimmy_wales) May 13, 2023
FREE MINDS
American Airlines flight attendants falsely reported a father as a human trafficker. The man, Francisco De Jesus, was flying with his 13-year-old daughter. "As we're deplaning, we're greeted by several individuals. One of them who introduced himself as the head of security for the Charlotte International Airport," De Jesus told King 5 news:
My question that I would like to have answered is how did they get to label me as a human trafficker? I had my iPad; we were watching a movie. She had her phone. I mean, these are things that I thought a dad and a daughter traveling do.
It's common for airline crews these days to receive highly dubious training about how to detect human traffickers. "Airline and hotel employees are taught to use their prejudices to spot and report human trafficking, and this often works out badly," writes Gary Leff at View From the Wing:
And that gives you situations like,
- An African American social service worker was traveling with a white baby and accused of kidnapping by an American Airlines flight attendant as a result.
- Armed Port Authority police boarded an American Airlines plane at New York JFK because a flight attendant saw an Asian American woman follow her hispanic husband to the lavatory (he was feeling unwell) and saw that they shared an orange juice. The flight attendant called for a sex trafficking investigation. It found their drivers licenses displayed the same home address because they were married, just different races.
- Southwest Airlines demanded to see Facebook posts when a white mother checked in with her mixed-race son, claiming this was 'federal law'.
And who could forget Cindy McCain reporting a woman because she was "a different ethnicity" from her child?
This sort of spot-a-trafficker "training"—often conducted by agents of Homeland Security and other federal agencies—has extended to hotel staff, to hairdressers, and to other industries, sometimes funded by the government or even required by law.
FREE MARKETS
American suburbs are thriving. They were already gaining population in the 2010s, and that only increased during the pandemic. This is leading to a surge in new retail and restaurants. In "2022, urban retail vacancies surpassed suburban retail vacancies for the first time since 2013," reports Axios. And today's suburbs are more diverse than those of yore.
A recent Bank of America survey found 45 percent of millennial respondents expect to buy a suburban home. "We expect the ability to [work from home] to remain an incentive for young families to seek out more remote suburban and rural markets where housing may be more affordable," the bank's analysts write.
QUICK HITS
• Over the past decade the share of Americans who associate with any religion decreased by 11 percentage points. "It's a development of tremendous impact, one that will ripple across the political landscape at every level—and especially in presidential politics," suggests Ryan Burge, an Eastern Illinois University political scientist.
• "Thai voters have delivered a stunning verdict in favour of an opposition party that is calling for radical reform of the country's institutions," concludes the BBC. "Analysts are calling this a political earthquake that represents a significant shift in public opinion" and "a clear repudiation of the two military-aligned parties of the current government, and Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha, who led a coup that ousted an elected government in 2014."
• What the heck does "displaying traits of an armed person" mean?
NEW: Baltimore Police say the person shot was 17 years old, saying he was displaying traits of an armed person before he took off running. Officers rendered aid and the 17 year old is in critical condition. @wjz pic.twitter.com/A56EDDBmzp
— Stephon Dingle WJZ (@Stephon_Dingle) May 11, 2023
• North Carolina's Democratic governor, Roy Cooper, vetoed a bill banning abortion after 12 weeks. "But to prevent the legislature from using its razor-thin supermajority to override his veto, Mr. Cooper is asking voters to pressure Republican lawmakers," reports The New York Times. "Convincing just one legislator will keep the state's current abortion law—allowing it up to 20 weeks—in place."
• "Ed Sheeran, Vanilla Ice, and a monkey walk into A.I. copyright law…" Carl Szabo of the tech trade association NetChoice argues against creating a new legal framework for content generated by artificial intelligence.
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LoRA has already obsoleted this argument. Small training set LLMs running on personal computer grade hardware, $100 training costs, and fast iteration are already in the wild.
To be fair, a LoRa still requires a starting point. A LoRa against a 2.7B model will always be inferior to a LoRa with a 13.7B model. And those starting models are all built using massive training data.
However, the general point remains. People should, and are, solving for this through voluntary cooperation. There are several general public domain datasets being created throughout the world. Anyone can train however they want against these datasets.
In an ideal world, the caching ability of our browsers would be networked via P2P (torrent) and indexed with blockchain and exposed via api. From there, people would be free to train and share search engines, or AIs or any other service that relies on this basic data.
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So then the output would not reflect reality, and would be useless.
No, it would be tremendously useful for the deep state, and whichever politicians they supported.
American Airlines flight attendants falsely reported a father as a human trafficker.
So we've completely abandoned clown panic already.
The clowns are in charge.
Also, we call some of them "transgender" now.
+1 Sam Brinton
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“It’s common for airline crews these days to receive highly dubious training about how to detect human traffickers. “Airline and hotel employees are taught to use their prejudices to spot and report human trafficking, and this often works out badly,””
My younger brother is adopted from El Salvador. When he was like, 3 and I was 9, we were leaving the local post office when a postal employee ran up to us and scooped up my brother, loudly demanding ‘WHOSE CHILD IS THIS?’
That was 35 years ago. This has been going on for a long time.
My brother (white dude) is married to an Asian woman. he has been questioned several times while traveling with his Asian-looking kids. When my nephew was about 12, they flew up here to hunt with me. TSA questioned the kid are tried to separate him from his dad "for his own safety".
As someone who has led scout trips across national boundaries, you really must have letters of authorization. Even if you are a parent traveling without your spouse (and especially if you are separated/divorced).
Having a letter that says "We the parents of so and so authorize Overt to travel between x and y and provide for their...." solves all sorts of problems.
When I was moving out to CA, my wife and I each drove one of the cars. I was stopped by the police in Utah with my daughter in the car. Since the wife and I had been traveling together, I didn't have a letter, and they kept us there for 20 minutes questioning my daughter to decide whether I was maybe kidnapping her.
BTW: You should also have a form letter written up for when someone is babysitting your kids, giving them authorization to make medical decisions for the kid while in their care. Otherwise, in some states, if you cannot be reached via phone, Hospitals will have to call in an agent of the state to make decisions on their behalf.
I thought the airlines business model was human trafficking.
Don't underestimate people. Most people are perfectly capable of panicking about more than one threat at a time.
American suburbs are thriving.
Wait until they get subway systems.
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Over the past decade the share of Americans who associate with any religion decreased by 11 percentage points.
What new god did they adopt?
Fauci
But muh ChRiSTiAn NaTiOnALiSm!
Christian Nationalists, Islamists, and Hindu Fundamentalists know their ways are losing out, so they are getting desperate.
The first is essentially a unicorn, and the latter mostly just cultural reactionaries against creeping Western hegemony on the sub continent rather than religious fervor, Encog.
Quit getting duped by establishment left narratives just because they're anti-religion.
Meet the new god, same as the old god.
Gaia
Actually, woke religion has a pantheon of jealous, feuding gods, including the three-headed ogre called DEI and a range of demons representing race, sex, gender, and body shapes. Plus Fauci.
Uh, none? It's not like a heartbeat but more like a beard that can get you caught in briars or woodchippers.
Baltimore Police say the person shot was 17 years old, saying he was displaying traits of an armed person before he took off running.
The Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, but the Founders never meant for police to have to see or think they see those arms.
Twitter Caved to Censorship Requests From Turkey's Authoritarian Government
I don't recall ENB being so fixated on social media censorship in the days when Twitter was openly taking marching orders from the CIA/FBI and myriad authoritarians the world over.
I guess it's okay when our government does it.
It's not OK, but it should be government that gets the blame, not whomever they coerce.
Well then ENB should not be criticizing Musk here, correct? He is being coerced by Turkey, is he not?
Except the thousands of times ENB denied the threats were really coercive and demanding it was all just organic decisions from a "private company".
Funny, I'm having a little trouble remembering that. But then your posts make it pretty clear that one of is living in Bizarro Land.
The Turkish government deserves blame for pressuring Twitter. Musk also deserves blame for blatantly caving to that pressure and basically carrying water for that government.
Twitter is now controlled by the opposition, so now it’s bad when they censor tweets in totalitarian countries, as opposed to censoring tweets in ones that notionally have a First Amendment.
All the hip Turks have moved to Mastadon, anyway.
TurkMastaTwit, then.
Wokipedia holding themselves up as a bastion of free speech is also hilarious.
Yeah I got a chuckle out of that.
Yeah, Wales is in no position to be lecturing anyone on that score, considering he's got rad-left jannies nuking anything that doesn't fit his side's preferred narratives.
"But that's not icky *conservatives* censoring things, this is censorship on the side of truth!"
PrIvAtE cOmPaNiEs
Obviously it's because she's a committed leftist who hates America, wants big government, and an end to freedom.
it’s because she’s a committed leftist
Mmm-hmm
who hates America
Half of it anyway
wants big government
Daddy
and an end to freedom.
Just for the icky right and those disgusting fetuses
Nor do I recall a single comment on the revelations by her. Must not be important at all.
ENB has one article discussing the actual revelations in detail:
https://reason.com/2022/12/19/the-fbi-paid-twitter-3-4-million-for-processing-requests/
She has mentioned it in passing as in this article, generally pointing to Soave’s reporting on the subject.
I don’t think every reporter needs to report on the same subject. That said, ENB isn’t disinterested in Twitter. She has written abouit a dozen articles and roundups about Twitter since Musk bought them. And pretty much all of them are some grain of “Hur dur, Elon really screwed up this time. Being pro-liberty isn’t as easy as you thought, was it?”
I don’t think Musk is perfect, but ENB’s transparently obvious desire to see him fail DESPITE what he has revealed about Federal and State censorship on the program, says more about what she values than anything about Musk.
ENB is the enemy
Yeah, it's pretty silly. It's far from perfect under Musk, but it is so much more open for discussions of controversial topics. I've never been a big Twitter user, but it seems way better now.
Pretty amazing what can happen when the left isn't allowed to handcuff its opposition.
It's also doubly hypocritical of this rag to all-of-a-sudden say that principles trump profit, when they have literally no qualms about importing cheap shit made by Chinese slaves.
We have evidence of TikTok censoring content. Yet ENB goes out of her way to defend them, despite them on public documents requiring CCP say in board meetings.
An oddly specific problem to lay at Reason's feet, as if some Reason staffer had written an essay arguing it is a wonderful thing that Chinese mistreat ... well, not clear precisely which "Chinese slaves" you are referring to; there are at least a couple of possibilities.
We got a thousand articles about Disney's brave stand for groomers rights and nothing about their use of actual Uighur slaves.
This happened last week and was unmentionable here:
Disney Reneges on Meeting with Uyghur Genocide Victims, Lawmakers Say
You're really quite dispicable, Mike.
DON’T SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT REASON!
Unilateral free trade is a principle, whether or not you think it's a good idea.
Also, fairly sure Musk said Twitter would abide by local laws.
^This is the correct answer.
He was pretty upfront about that. He's not the most purist free speech advocate ever, but still a huge improvement over people who are actively hostile to the idea of free speech.
I won't defend Musk on this. I will, however, mock Reason by saying "private company."
But to prevent the legislature from using its razor-thin supermajority to override his veto, Mr. Cooper is asking voters to pressure Republican lawmakers...
It's going to be those dangerous town halls of the Obamacare era all over again!
These will be mostly peaceful unlike schoolboard townhalls last year.
That's the name of a guy I want to hang with
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“jumbo shrimp”
Progressive diversity.
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Well, let's see, even one Rep voting against the override will sink it. How much thinner can you get?
The phrase "razor-thin SUPERMAJORITY" is a classic.
You are only slightly overwhelmingly winning! For Shame!
They only barely triggered the mercy-rule.
In response to legal process and to ensure Twitter remains available to the people of Turkey, we have taken action to restrict access to some content in Turkey today...
It was going to be dangerous election speech anyway.
Probably said they are going to fight like Jahannam.
Why are the Turks so obsessed with Hunter Biden's penis?!
They just gobble it up!
"What the heck does "displaying traits of an armed person" mean?"
Wearing a MAGA hat?
It means it is a bureaucratic obfuscating euphemism meaning "we thought he was armed, but he was not".
That would be displaying the traits of a retarded person.
Ideas! So many ideas!
And not a leftist.
I've come to the conclusion that the people who use the word "leftist" in these comments have no fucking clue as to what the word means. It's just a catchall for "Not Republican."
Which of course is why a MAGA hat is displaying the traits of a retarded person, because they will call anyone who disagrees with them a leftist.
What do you call someone who never criticizes the left, only attacks the right, defended censorship, attacked those against mandates, masking, lockdowns, defended Australian covid camps, attacks those highlighting Biden corruption, supports Ukraine war, cheers the shooting of an unarmed woman….
Please define leftist for us.
To be fair. I think you’re a neocon. But they all joined the left. So difference without a meaning.
And your complaining here as you call everyone conservative who disagrees with you is hilarious.
Those are mostly anti-Trump positions - aside from one or two hings like the failure to criticise the actual left - which kinda supports Sarcasmic's point. I don't see any reference to any economics position, though as we see, to be in favour of generally free trade and against tariffs, which are fine capitalist/free market positions (which I happen to hold, as you well know) will have you regarded as a leftist simply because they're in opposition to Trumpist policies.
Only in Trumpworld can advocacy of capitalism be regarded as leftist.
Only in Trumpworld can advocacy of capitalism be regarded as leftist.
Hence wearing a MAGA hat is "displaying traits of a retarded person."
Nothing in my post was relative to shrikes comment. Lol.
You commenting on that fact shows your own retardation.
Shrike knew it had no bearing in my specific post, but has to defend the left as usual from criticism. And here you jump to defending that defense.
And you do exactly as sarc does shrike, declare any disagreement as being pro trump. You bring up economics, but the vast majority of democrats have worse positions and more pro government positions, but all your time here is spending the side more in line with free trade. Curious isn’t it?
Please tell me how being against the list of things listed is pro trump by the way. Because they are pro freedom. I mean anti lockdowns is a libertarian position shrike. The left was by far the biggest promoters of it, same with vaccines. But even there trump was pro vaccine, just anti mandate. The horror.
So do you want to try again?
And I love you and sarc continue to talk about tariffs. It is the one policy of Trumps Biden kept in place and expanded upon. But both of you still don’t understand the difference between protectionist tariffs and tit for tat tariffs. There is a huge difference there. I have given you both links and books discussing it, but you have no curiosity regarding it.
Shrike. Where did I post an anti capitalist post there?
Listen, you Trumpsucking lying cunt, you can argue about freedom on the libertarian/authoritarian axis but that's not the same as the left-right axis. And as the opposition to lockdowns, and support for "alternative" treatments, was on political, not scientific grounds, from the very beginning, on occasion positively affirmed by Trump and certainly affirmed by his supporters, these policies took on a Trumpist hue.
And don't hold yourself out as some great supporter of liberty - except for "decent law-abiding white folks just like you".
But both of you still don’t understand the difference between protectionist tariffs and tit for tat tariffs.
Of course I do - but it's necessary in your mind for you to lie and pretend I don't in an attempt to win a debating point.
And I'm still not shrike.
See what I mean? To reply to him means refuting all of his lies before you even get to your point. A point which he will ignore as he launches into his next set of lies for you to refute. It’s tiresome.
His dingleberries look better dangling all by themselves.
And for the second post in a row you provide no examples and respond not to my post but just open non sequitur.
Your post isn't responsive to mine at all shrike.
The fact that you are arguing against the side against lockdowns while making excuses for the left is even funnier.
Which statement of mine was a lie sarc? Shrike didn't refute a single one of my assertions retard.
Based on reading the comments around here, I've learned that everyone is shrike.
Tariffs are tariffs, and they mean higher prices for everyone. Calling them retaliatory instead of protectionist doesn't change anything. They were stupid when Trump imposed them, and they remain stupid as long as Biden continues them. I attack stupid ideas because they're stupid, not because of who's proposing them. If I say "Trump is an idiot", what I really mean is "Trump is an idiot", not "I love Biden!". Being asked to choose between those two is a lot like asking if I want to be punched in the left nut or the right.
Also, every statement in his posts where I am concerned is a lie. If I were to respond to him I'd have to refute every premise, because not doing so gives the appearance that the premises are accepted. That is something I will not do. It is tiresome and serves no purpose. It is fair to assume that when he says something about me, the opposite is true. He really does have a talent. I'll give him that. In all the years he's been dogging me he's never once made a truthful statement. You'd think he would screw up at least once. But he's got a 100% perfect track record when it comes to telling lies.
It is not a lie sarc. Which one do you want me to post as an example?
Everything there is something you either outright defended or attacked someone against it. So choose.
It is amazing how people can post your past comments and yet you openly lie about it. Why?
An example. You calling covid camps of even uninfected people “just a quarantine camp” despite state force forcing people into these camps even of not infected.
https://reason.com/2021/11/24/ahmaud-arbery-alleged-murderers-almost-escaped-charges-prosecutorial-misconduct-jackie-johnson-george-barnhill/?comments=true#comment-9228119
Which other ones do you want?
Here is you defending j6 prosecutions because it isnt the gulag. I can also post where you defended the charges which included the 20 year threat for interrupting congress if you want.
https://reason.com/2023/04/04/it-looks-like-donald-trump-will-finally-be-indicted-later-today/?comments=true#comment-9999640
These are just two examples of you attacking those against the violation of liberty. Think about that. You did exactly what I stated above.
So who is lying here.
"Those are mostly anti-Trump positions"
This is precious, and I think we should really take SRG at their world.
Let us note that SRG has collectively described these positions- mask and vaccine mandates, lockdowns and covid camps, Ukraine war, and attacking those concerned about Biden's corruption- as Anti Trump positions.
That says far more about SRG than about Trump or any of the others on this board. If you think you are for capitalism and free markets while being for war, lockdown, and mandates, you are lying to yourself.
It is weird he even claimed an anti capitalist position in those examples.
The positions JesseAz outlines exist only in his head.
And the links you were provided lol.
Jesse's connection to reality often seems a bit tenuous.
You may call what I said, “precious”. What you said is stupid. I did not say that all were – though I note that opposition to supporting Ukraine is indeed a Trump position, and I don’t think I’ve seen people like you or JesseAZ criticise Putin for the invasion or criticise Trump for his support for Putin.
I am for what works – not for blind adherence to theoretical principles. Capitalism works. Vaccine mandates work, as we’ve seen with vaccines against other diseases. What distinguishes those other diseases from COVID-19 was that the latter was politicised ab initio – as a cudgel to attack Trump initially, and then by Trump in response – and hence Covid-19 vaccines were regarded, uniquely, as teh evil (with all the anti-vaccine propaganda and lying one might expect, only this time coming from the anti-science right rather than the anti-science left.)
As far as lockdowns are concerned, they were overly strict and should have been relaxed to some extent, once evidence accumulated against the strictest lockdowns; but there is little evidence than a no-lockdown policy would have been more effective than a less stringent lockdown policy. This is tough for the all-or-nothing brigade to handle, just as they can’t handle the the idea of a vaccine which reduces the severity of a disease but doesn’t eliminate the disease
Ahh. So government should limit freedom of choice for where you declare the line to be, don't let individuals choose for themselves.
Show me a prior vaccine mandate that threatened jobs or travel shrike. Your position is not libertarian. You are defending the actions and decisions of the left.
Putin shouldn't have invaded Ukraine. But it doesn't involve the US or NATO. Full stop. Being a world police is not a duty of a libertarian shrike. But you defend war powers regarding it because soros and the left told you to defend it. The US violating prior treaties established during the USSR breakup and expanding NATO towards Russia was also not a good idea. Odd you never mention that shrike.
Your entire post here is defending government coercion of freedoms. You and sarc can defend those things all you want, it doesn't make you libertarian. I mean you continue to defend lockdowns in this post lol. No wonder sarc is defending you.
opposition to supporting Ukraine is indeed a Trump position
Well, as happens a lot with Trump, he feels no obligation to be consistent in his political positions. Sometimes he brags about the weapons his administration supplied to Ukraine.
Same here RMac. I learned my lesson with initial support with Iraq. Learned from it and don't support world policing. I criticize both sides who think that it is a US imperative and support those positions against it no matter the party.
Consistency of a position, not a party. Can't say the same about shrike or sarc.
"What you said is stupid. I did not say that all were"
You said, "Those are mostly anti-Trump positions". Given that you didn't use any modification other than "mostly", I think my evaluation of your reading was fair, not stupid.
"opposition to supporting Ukraine is indeed a Trump position"
This is looney tunes. Trump was the first president to send actual weapons to Ukraine. And I think this is a pretty good example of how silly your argument was. You view everything through the lens of "but Trump!".
"I am for what works – not for blind adherence to theoretical principles. Capitalism works. Vaccine mandates work, as we’ve seen with vaccines against other diseases."
You are the one who said you support free market principles. And then you proclaim your support for massive intrusions into free markets (such as compelling people to purchase a product).
Then you refer to vaccine mandates as if we have a long history of them. The eradication of most of the typical diseases such as measles, dypyheria, small pox, etc occurred before the government started getting mandate heavy. Most states around the nation do not mandate these vaccines, and those with mandates only passed those mandates in the last 10 - 20 years, after eradication had happened.
Let me be clear- I think you are half right about Trump. People like yourself are obsessed with Trump, and so Trump is just a short hand way for you to avoid thinking about what your tribe is doing.
Support for Ukraine was a Trump plank, but now that Biden is doing it, it must be an anti-trump thing. Vaccine mandates and Lockdowns aren't free market- they are deeply authoritarian, but no need to think further about your tribe's mis-steps if you can just dismiss it all as something Trump likes.
Rather than try to indict a group of people, maybe the better thing to do is choose a set of principles and support them.
“….and I don’t think I’ve seen you…. criticize Putin…”
What you don’t say is more important than what you do.
Where have I read that before?
In more civilized times I would have given him something in common with Alexander Hamilton, if he had the courage to show up. Which I doubt.
Poster: “yeah, pretty good chance that china manipulates their currency and is not a good faith trading partner, so I’m kinda ambivalent about tariffs against them.”
Idiots: FUCKING ULTRA MAGA ANTI CAPITALIST!!!! (Spittle optional)
Just because other countries pursue stupid and destructive policies doesn't mean we should. There's very little in the way of freedom I'm willing to give up in the name of some nebulous fairness.
Speaking of retards...
Sarc is playing peekaboo again.
"What the heck does “displaying traits of an armed person” mean?”
He had his hand in his pocket, firmly wrapped around ... a cell phone?
Not cowing and groveling.
That's about right. Ask the NYPD about stop and frisk.
It's another way of saying "melanistically endowed"
Since only 20% of police shooting victims in 2022 were black, I guess the others had been working on their tans.
You also forgot to mention "penis endowed".
“Good at jumping”
Or it might have been a wallet. We all know how deadly those are.
It's hilarious the left is trying to dunk on Musk with this "Twitter censors for Turkey" line.
They, Reason included, have done everything possible to ignore, excuse, and bury the Twitter Files revelations.
Now they're running with this narrative as if it is somehow comparable to the fascism of Big Tech.
Fuck yall's coordinated, shrill claims of hypocrisy.
There is only friend or enemy.
The left/establishment is the enemy.
Musk appears to be a friend.
And Turkey is irrelevant.
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Where do you get this bullshit? Reason has mentioned the Twitter Files on several occasions. They tried to "ignore, excuse, and bury" them pretty much never. They condemned the US government for pressuring Twitter, and now they're condemning the Turkish government for pressuring Twitter. I don't see any hypocrisy there.
Your simplistic friend or enemy bullshit is even dumber. I'm perfectly happy to work with someone when our goals are compatible, and oppose those whose goals aren't compatible with mine. If that happens to be the same person at different times or on different issues, so be it. As for Musk, he's clearly either a hypocrite or deeply ignorant. He likes to paint himself as a champion of free speech, but in practice he's pretty selective about just whose freedom he'll protect. It's his company and he has the right to run it his way, but that doesn't mean other people don't have the right to criticize him.
Elon "I will comply with the law of the country Twitter is operating in"
Turkey "this is what is censored"
Elon "okay"
ENB "ELON IS AGAINST FREE SPEECH REEEEEEEEEES"
More "Musk is letting Erdogan censor Twitter, why won't he let the Biden Administration?"
Is the criticism of Musk’s caving in to Turkey’s authoritarian government’s censorship based on a love of free speech, or based on Musk’s refusal to allow allow the USA’s authoritarian progressive administration to censor Twitter?
To be somewhat fair to what Musk had said going into this was that Twitter would follow the law of the land it was operating in. Turkey, for better or worse, does not have strong legal protections for free speech and press but the USA does, to the progressives profound irritation.
I would prefer if Musk told all regimes to pound sand on restricting speech, but that was never his stance worldwide.
Musk bowing to Turkey is simply hypocritical, racist, and transphobic. Now accommodating China, on the other hand, is noble and praiseworthy. He should follow Disney, Hollywood, the NBA, and Joe Biden's lead in this, it's just good for business.
I prefer when companies are honest that they are caving to government pressure or legal regimes. Makes it much easier to focus on the people actually responsible for a policy. And cuts people like ENB off at the knees, when she would cousin private companies.
“people like ENB”?
"would cousin private companies"? I assume it's a typo, but what verb did you intend to use?
based on Musk’s refusal to allow allow the USA’s authoritarian progressive administration to censor Twitter
you gotta understand that for statist fucktards like yglesias effective altruism means ratting people out for parking and traffic violations
"Musk had said going into this was that Twitter would follow the law of the land it was operating in."
Yes that was my understanding of Twitter policy so I'm not really disturbed by this. One can certainly make the argument that getting out of Turkey altogether would be a bold free speech statement. On the other hand cutting off access to the dissident voices that remain would have the opposite effect. As usual ENB's leftist bias prevents her from any logical analysis.
"As usual ENB’s leftist bias prevents her from any logical analysis."
You should be careful about this point. If ENB were being lefty that would be one thing. Taibbi and Greenwald and Weiss- all people pushing the twitter files- are leftist.
ENB is pushing a blue bubble narrative. That it has leftist leanings is noteworthy but not as important.
Is the criticism of Musk’s caving in to Turkey’s authoritarian government’s censorship based on a love of free speech, or based on Musk’s refusal to allow allow the USA’s authoritarian progressive administration to censor Twitter?
Let me guess. Because tReason is a nest of progressive shills, right?
That sentence has more to do with Yglesias’s tweet than with ENB directly. Again, I do not think this criticism is based on Musk’s Twitter acting as censor for Turkey, but refusing to be a censor for the Biden Administration.
I see. I apologize for assuming you were criticizing Reason.
(I just noticed that none of the Twitter quotes above include Yglesias original tweet.)
That being said I do find ENB's enthusiasm for criticisms of Musk being insufficiently a free speech absolutist from people who argue for restrictions on open speech to be a bit maddening, as it is a terrible argument. This is hardly the first time she has put this type of story front and center in the Roundup.
Apology withdrawn. 🙂
gfy
Don't apologize. For most of the commenters here, every day is Shit on Reason Day. They'll bend over backwards to find any justification for it, even if it means bending so far backwards they risk vanishing up their own ass. Or else they just make up some bullshit, like criticizing articles for saying the opposite of what they actually said.
For not being on a team, you jefd sarc and shrike use the exact same talking points.
To be somewhat fair to what Musk had said going into this was that Twitter would follow the law of the land it was operating in. Turkey, for better or worse, does not have strong legal protections for free speech and press but the USA does, to the progressives profound irritation.
Yet, somehow Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia managed to drum up some strong legal protections in Turkey, as the blog post above mentions.
Worth repeating here the morning links reporting on Twitter from just two weeks ago:
https://reason.com/2023/05/01/government-seizes-first-republic-bank-and-sells-it-to-jpmorgan-chase/
"Twitter CEO Elon Musk claims that he is bringing more free speech to the platform. But 'Twitter's self-reported data shows that, under Musk, the company has complied with hundreds more government orders for censorship or surveillance—especially in countries such as Turkey and India,' reports the tech news outlet Rest of World."
We cannot be responsible for what other countries want.
Let's not forget that the old Twitter complied with requests from the Republican Party, too:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-suppressed-stories-based-requests-both-dems-gop-2020-favored-liberals
We know old Twitter did many terrible things. That was supported by Reason as “ private companies”.
Not after it was revealed that it was actually the result of government pressure.
As long as one republican somewhere does something bad, it means the many more democrats elsewhere are excused.
Did I get that right mike?
No, you did not. If the Reps do something bad, that doesn't mean the Dems are good, it means the Reps did something bad. Too many people around here are way too eager to buy into mindless partisan narratives. The fact is, neither half of the Republicrat duopoly is a friend to liberty, and it's foolish to believe they are. The only difference is which part of your life they want to control first. On the rare occasions some member(s) of either party actually propose something sensible, I'm happy to support them. But I base that support on issues, not on cheering for either TEAM.
Wait, Recep Tayyip Erdogan's is still on Twitter? He's never Tweeted something so mean as to get him kicked off? I'm beginning to think this whole Twitter thing might have nothing to do with actual policies, actions, or consequences and strictly about virtue signalling.
When the US was censoring all things from covid, LV shooting, vaccines, and election "disinformation" which turned out to be true, we got ceickits from reason.
We got "it is a private company" so eat the turd sandwich being served up without complaint.
Hey if your look for human traffickers, Biden is up to about 4 million
Oh noes hypocrisy!
To paraphrase Zappa, hypocrisy is the second most abundant element in the universe.
The comedian Patton Oswalt, he told me "I think the worst part of the Cosby thing was the hypocrisy." And I disagree. I thought it was the raping. It's my feeling most rapists are hypocrites. You don't meet many that go "I like raping and I know it's not politically correct but, by god" and people go "well, he's not being a hypocrite and that's the worst part!"
- Norm Macdonald
Say what you want about Slim Pickens character in Blazing Saddles, but he was not a hypocrite. He did really like rape.
"Say what you want about Slim Pickens character in Blazing Saddles, but he was not a hypocrite. He did really like rape."
He also did really like wrangling nuclear bombs in Dr. Strangelove.
That wasn't the Slim Pickens character, it was one of the people he was signing up.
"Rape, murder, arson, and rape."
"You said rape twice"
"I like rape."
Where does Norm stand on lady dick? Is that a rape-eligible appendage or not?
Uh, he's really more lying down on all the issues at this point.
No new material.
It is rude to stand on lady dick.
Unless they are into that.
"Over the past decade the share of Americans who associate with any religion decreased by 11 percentage points"
Until they take into account that Marxism, wokism, and qweer are all religions
Don’t forget climate change.
Climate alarmism.
Climate worship.
That’s just green Marxism.
The Sadly Stolen Nature of The Donald's Erections is ALSO a religion! Just ask Stormy Daniels, who is the SADDEST of all, about this sorry state of illicit affairs!
https://twitter.com/bungarsargon/status/1656617411397799936?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
I don't think people realize no one reaches the Darien Gap without the cartels' say so. Every single one of the migrants you see amassing at the border and in our cities is a slave. This isn't compassion. Biden and Mayorkas have colluded with the cartels to create a slave caste.
Asked about the cost to the American taxpayer of millions of illegal migrants, Sec. Mayorkas answers, "There are businesses around this country desperate for workers and there are desperate workers in foreign countries looking for job in the US."
Democrats talk about immigration in moral terms but they really think about it in economic terms. As Nancy Pelosi put it, "Who will pick the crops?" They've created a slave caste—which includes tends of thousands of kids—to undercut American workers. It's absolutely horrifying.
Canada is euthanizing its poor but these "bioethicists" think that's the right thing to do. Come read their reasoning.
https://notthebee.com/article/canada-has-been-euthanizing-its-poor-and-bioethicists-thinks-thats-the-right-thing-to-do
Abortion was just the first weeks or health conditions now we can euthanize at any age just for being poor. i wonder what the financial cut off level is.. this is socialist medicine ultimate outcome.
“They’ve created a slave caste…”
Of course they have, they’re Democrats.
Wall Street Journal Poll Presidential Preference:
Fatass Donnie 45% Total Fave Rating 39%
Senile Old Man 48% Total Fave Rating 41%
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ_Poll_April_2023_redacted.pdf
Two new cards, dealer.
Seems totally honest.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Your previous handle was banned from this site for posting links to child pornography.
W Which pronoun – do pets have a gender identity?
https://vethelpdirect.com/vetblog/2021/05/22/which-pronoun-do-pets-have-a-gender-identity/
The most disturbing part is the ideology eating the science. They cite a paper where a "transgendered woman" "biologist" (naturally) says:
I can identify sex with 100% fidelity using genetics and anatomical inspection, but if I just build a shitty categorization model, based on size and plumage it fails 5% of the time. Anecdotally, I've seen females injected with testosterone in the lab behave *somewhat* like males (except for the brood markings and the egg laying), so maybe there are intersex songbirds.
As someone who will murder puppies without compunction in the name of advancing science: such utterly fucking unethical behavior in order to support such utterly fucking unethical, preconceived, conclusions.
The most disturbing part is the ideology eating the science.
James Lindsay called this “Maoism with American characteristics,” which is a pretty apt description of how things are going so far. This is why you see so much hand-wringing by the left and their media mouthpieces whenever anyone pushes back against their agenda with any kind of vigor.
It's also why you have to hold your ground and not give in to these people. They gain power by manufacturing consensus and manipulating people into participating in their stupid cult. But that reliance on consensus, and the appeal to "unity" or similar terms that they persistently engage in, is also an Achilles heel in that it doesn't take much non-participation to actually cause their efforts to fall apart. The push for Fauci Ouchie mandates in the US is a great example. How many articles from leftist fruitcakes and center-right Branch Covidians did you see relentlessly pushing the "shots in arms" narrative? The initial success they had with the early mandates rules in fed/state/city governments and blue-voting areas ultimately ended precisely because there was enough non-participation from red areas and pushback against the rules that the former ultimately abandoned their efforts.
And it wasn't much overall that did it--only about 17% of the population didn't get the shot. But it was enough to finally grind the effort to a halt.
"as always, we are guided by science as much as possible"
Umm. No.
Can we assume that "as much as possible" means "until it stops supporting the conclusions we're looking for"?
He meant The Science.
https://twitter.com/newscientist/status/1657930243502383105?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Lab-grown meat could be 25 times worse for the climate than regular beef unless scientists find ways to overhaul energy-intensive steps in its production
25X!, LOL. Odds I can find a Ron Bailey article implying or overtly assuming that it's already more eco-friendly than traditional meat production: 1.
More testing will be needed.
The Soylent Corporation is on it!
listen if we just cover all livable area in solar panels, connected to batteries that are terrible for the environment, connected to a grid that the govt has complete control over our usage, and switch over to lab meat and bugs (made in govt approved labs of course)...
Well, apparently, it wont actually do anything for the climate, but we will be terribly miserable and completely dependent on govt for all facets of life. So that 'boioioioioiiiiing' you hear is the raging boner of the communists in the democrat party.
"Reality finally comes for California’s reparations plan"
[...]
"Given the amount of money being discussed, surely the city’s African American Reparations Advisory Committee put a lot of time and energy into devising and applying some kind of mathematical formula to land at $1.2 million-per-person, right?
“There wasn’t a math formula,” confessed the committee’s chairman, Eric McDonnell.
“It was a journey for the committee towards what could represent a significant enough investment in families to put them on this path to economic well-being, growth and vitality that chattel slavery, and all the policies that flowed from it destroyed..."
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/4003151-reality-finally-comes-for-californias-reparations-plan/
1) Well, since it was a "journey", it must be right!
2) This entire disaster is a Newsom invention and now it's coming home to roost
Math is racist. But not anti-racist.
Is this a disaster? This seems like a standard negotiation tactic. "Every black person gets 1.2 Million!"
"You are fucking crazy!"
"Ok, you are right. $1000 a month."
Lol! That's 28 billion per year.
Wiki has 1940 census as 6.0% Hispanic, 2.4% Asian, and 89.5% non-Hispanic white.
Not only did Cali not have slavery they didn't have enough blacks to count.
...represent a significant enough investment in families to put them on this path to economic well-being, growth and vitality that chattel slavery, and all the policies that flowed from it destroyed…”
Ok, while it is definately true that slavery doesn't allow a person to build up wealth that was a practice that's been dead in the ground for over 150 years.
Last I checked, the people who were massively rich 150 years ago are not the same people who are rich today. They aren't even the same families. Generational wealth tends to get blown within a generation. There are obviously exceptions to that, but those are exceptions not the rule.
This inconvenient fact is constantly ignored by people that push this garbage.
People think that wealth lasts forever, apparently, and never manage to notice the entity that directly puts itself between individuals and wealth: the government. The fact that people think the government is going to make people rich is one of the dumbest things people believe, even if it happens to be true for a select few connected firms.
Check the offspring of Lotto winners to see the results of sudden wealth landing on someone with no experience in handling it.
Further, it seems there's this Equal Rights Amendment which might pertain to handing out taxpayer money to those of a certain race.
And, no the reparations to the interned Japanese is not the same. Those individuals were interned by race; they got reparations since the government, in effect, stole their wealth by doing so. And it went to the individuals who suffered the losses.
"This inconvenient fact is constantly ignored by people that push this garbage."
It is not ignored. They have solved for it. The entire premise of CRT is to indict institutions instead of people. Just as a company can be held liable for the actions of employees long since fired, these activists are saying that Society is liable for the actions of racists long ago deceased.
The problem for those people is that the plaintiffs in those cases (the slaves) are long gone, and so no one else has standing to file suit. Which is why CRT also seeks to socialize the grievance- the standing- by institutionalizing the harms as well as the harming.
It creates this grand system where everybody (with the right characteristics) is liable to everybody (with the wrong characteristics) for everything bad.
The ways to counteract this is to point out that if we are liable for all wrongs, we should also get credit for all rights. The fact that hundreds of thousands of white boys died ending slavery is an example that the institution was working to purge bad elements (just as a corporation in a harassment case can avoid liability by showing how it disciplined racists).
Collectivists don't care about anything you just said. Nor does the Something-for-Nothing Crowd.
"American Airlines flight attendants falsely reported a father as a human trafficker."
If you see something, say something. If you don't see something, make something up. If you don't know how to make something up, check your government health officials, local law enforcement, political party office, university faculty, or preferred media source.
Musk and Erdogan are both Putin butt puppets
'American suburbs are thriving. They were already gaining population in the 2010s, and that only increased during the pandemic. This is leading to a surge in new retail and restaurants. In "2022, urban retail vacancies surpassed suburban retail vacancies for the first time since 2013," reports Axios. And today's suburbs are more diverse than those of yore.'
Phew. Suburbs and commerce have been bastions of white privilege, but as long as they embrace diversity then we'll allow it. But we have our eyes on you.
Is shoplifting allowed?
Slow down there, Slick. Let's start with drag queen story hour at the library and a new DEI office in the city administration.
https://twitter.com/canindependent/status/1657890784874582017?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
MUST WATCH: Former Canadian military officer and grandmother testified that her granddaughter who she had custody of was taken away by children's services because of her TikTok videos critical of the government and the COVID-19 vaccines.
During the National Citizen Inquiry, former Canadian military officer and grandmother Josée Belleville testified that she lost her job after 13 years of service over the COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
According to Belleville's testimony, her granddaughter who she had custody of was taken into foster care by children's services after she posted TikTok videos critical of the government and COVID-19 vaccines.
Furthermore, Belleville testified that she has not been allowed to see her granddaughter for several months.
Covid kills grandma. Grandma opposes the vax. Therefore, grandma is suicidal.
She’s lucky she isn’t in jail.
You mean lucky she has not been euthanized.
Canada is a totalitarian shit-hole.
Yeah, we need to come to grips that Canada is now a thoroughly fascistic country.
1A is first for a reason. It's the most important barrier between authoritarianism and freedom.
Canada (and honestly the UK) are getting very open about prosecuting wrong-talk, and citizens there should be very afraid.
Prosecuting speech + disarming citizens are the 2 key ingredients for totalitarianism. Canada: "check!"
Weird. You called people discussing censorship conspiracy theorist and victims for years.
Not Laursen
Whoops. Sorry Mr Parsons.
I mean, technically 1A is first because the two other possible that James Madison put in front of it didn't get ratified.
Time for a massive population exchange. All the nanny boy DEI drag queens can move to Canada, and anyone committed to individual liberty and free markets can stay in the US.
ill trade the Ottawa truckers for the pink haired soi boys, please and thank you
Who get’s exchanged to Hond-guat-nica-zuelia?
But providing people in authoritarian regimes with a false sense of public opinion while doing their leaders' bidding hardly helps foster civil liberties.
Indeed, Reason, indeed!
It's not just journalists who have been criticizing Musk:
Those guardians of free speech eh?
Who's going to defend the state and clerisy from the crazy proletariat if they don't?
Jail? She is lucky she has not been euthanized.
Oh look, another sneering and hypocritically tribal hate-fest on Musk from ENB. It must be a weekday.
1) Musk was clear coming into this whole thing that he would follow the laws of the land Twitter operated in, and specifically acknowledged that in totalitarian countries, that may mean more censorship than westerners were comfortable with. So the idea that this is some big revelation is absurd.
2) ENB is ridiculously hypocritical here. She has endorsed the writing of people who justified the silencing of western voices they disagreed with. Now she wants to be a free speech absolutist about things. When USA Dissidents were being silenced at the behest of the US Government, well that was justifiable moderation to protect against spam and noise in the signal. But when he does it at Turkey's will, he is violating principles. Principles that she just re-discovered.
3) This is the most odious of arguments by ENB so far:
"And if he still chose censorship, it would also force him to alert—and often anger—Turkish citizens in the process."
Let's be clear that this is bullshit. I know because I witnessed first hand. Back in the early 2000's Yahoo was one of the largest properties in China. One day, Chinese agents raided our Beijing office and demanded the handover of several mail accounts to the Government. The dissidents who owned those accounts were then jailed based on the evidence found in their email.
Presented with the choice between supporting a totalitarian regime or not operating there at all, Yahoo did what ENB demands: We exited the Chinese market completely. And that did absolutely nothing to solve for the people of China. Rather than get upset, those people moved to services provided by Alibaba and Google and never looked back. In decades since, those companies have happily implemented the surveillance and censorship apparatus desired by China. Yahoo's exit wasn't even a blip on the radar.
So ENB is full of shit here. The choice isn't, "Submit to the requests of Turkey or force them to do without your service." It is "Submit to the requests of Turkey or hand over the market to your competitors." ENB frets that Twitter is "providing people in authoritarian regimes with a false sense of public opinion", but that would happen no matter what.
We can argue about whether or not it is important for Twitter to take a stand here. But at least be honest about it: Any stand taken will be completely ceremonial. Turkey will pay no price, just as China paid no price for Yahoo exiting their regime.
I agree with everything you say, my knee-jerk reaction is: Oh, NOW "journalism" cares about censorship.
Nope. ENB cares about scoring points against an enemy of her tribe. That's all. The end. Fini.
^this. She regularly simps for and reposts the NYT and Atlantic.
I really dont need lessons on 'journalism' from a propagandists, thanks ENB
Horrors! Someone linked to an article from the New York Times!
Replace "New York Times" with "Fox News" and close your eyes and try the feels.
It’s like people who belittle Benghazi but then make a stink about Khashoggi.
That's something a bit different. Khashoggi was likely a CIA asset that they were using to undermine the Saudi regime, and his gig at the Washington Post, which is the glowie's go-to media mouthpiece, makes that a lot more probable.
There's no logical reason that the press, the State Department, and the Biden administration would tard-rage over a relatively minor non-citizen like that, except for the likelihood that he was getting intel for them via in-country channels, and the Saudis found out and executed him as a spy.
So ENB is full of shit here. The choice isn’t, “Submit to the requests of Turkey or force them to do without your service.” It is “Submit to the requests of Turkey or hand over the market to your competitors.” ENB frets that Twitter is “providing people in authoritarian regimes with a false sense of public opinion”, but that would happen no matter what.
Just FYI, Twitter agreed to Turkey's internet version of the Jones Act and you're arguing against Reason's assertion they shouldn't have.
I'm not saying you're wrong. In fact, I very much agree that Reason frequently likes to treat the MMORPG of international markets like it's a simple player vs. boss platformer for narrative convenience.
I'm not even taking a stand for or against twitter. I am pointing out that ENB is presenting a false choice. She is suggesting that if Twitter had declined to follow Turkish law, Turkey would have blinked. And that is not at all given. In fact contemporary examples suggest that it is in fact untrue.
I feel Yahoo was morally right to bow out of China. Even though that was literally THE decision that would ultimately end Yahoo's existence as an independent country. Ceding the largest growth market in the world to its competitors was doom for Yahoo, though it would take about 15 years and many twists and turns to play out. And again, China never paid the price that ENB pretends Turkey would pay.
I’m not even taking a stand for or against twitter. I am pointing out that ENB is presenting a false choice. She is suggesting that if Twitter had declined to follow Turkish law, Turkey would have blinked. And that is not at all given. In fact contemporary examples suggest that it is in fact untrue.
Right. This point, manifold with regard to the Jones Act. In the Jones Act’s lifetime, we became the largest economy on Earth. Repealing the Jones Act because of PR or the American shipbuilding industry is like arguing China should repeal its censorship requirements so that Yahoo can compete in and/or dominate their market.
They should repeal their censorship laws but the reasoning that they should do it so that Yahoo can compete or be more prosperous or return to its former position is essentially a fascist/nationalist socialist one.
" Repealing the Jones Act because of PR or the American shipbuilding industry is like arguing China should repeal its censorship requirements so that Yahoo can compete in and/or dominate their market."
Neither of these seems to be an actual argument people are making. And trying to link these two situations is going to confuse things more than help. They just aren't analogous.
Here: "Should an international company help further the interests of totalitarianism or vacate the market to the benefit of a competitor?"
Jones: "Should our country regulate commerce of international companies in order to benefit domestic companies?"
Sure there is overlap, in that they are companies...and countries with laws...and commerce. But the entire locus of decision making (company vs country, liberal democracy vs quasi dictatorship) is so different as to require multiple gymnastics leaps to fit the analogy.
Neither of these seems to be an actual argument people are making.
If you want to be a perverse dumbass, ENB never literally endorsed the overt silencing of anyone nor claimed to be an absolutist on free speech either.
Here: “Should an international company help further the interests of totalitarianism or vacate the market to the benefit of a competitor?”
Jones: “Should our country regulate commerce of international companies in order to benefit domestic companies?”
...
require multiple gymnastics leaps to fit the analogy.
You can't have a "here" vs. "there" in an international market without performing those gymnastics. You're doing the gymnastics too, you just insist that ENB's form is dumb. Same for me and the Jones Act. Stossel literally says,
So, which is it, are there 150 shipyards competing against each other or is it a monopoly? Seems like the same "any restriction = ban" bullshit that Reason typically pulls with regard to public libraries. Are other nations competitors the way companies are competitors? Seems kinda fascist to presume that.
Further, all of the above isn't necessarily to oppose the Jones Act as much as clarify "What, (the fuck) exactly do you mean when you say Repeal the Jones Act?" Repeal the Jones Act and go back to the Shipping Act of 1916 (or further back to bullshit like portional duties based on tonnages exempted by ship's command)? I presume not but everybody, instead, just wants to talk about how excellent Reason's international trade gymnastics are.
""In decades since, those companies have happily implemented the surveillance and censorship apparatus desired by China. Yahoo’s exit wasn’t even a blip on the radar.""
Unfortunately this seems like what journalism has become. Twitter is the target de jour. Doesn't matter that favored companies are doing it. Don't talk bad about them. Only talk bad about the ones out of favor.
Reason's take on pretty much everything.
Doesn't matter if many countries' immigration or abortion policies are far more stringent and onerous than ours; doesn't matter if other countries' that aren't nearly as stringent are being consumed by their inability to address the issue, the point is Republicans, even ones like Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, are backwards-thinking yokels who hate globalism.
Musk has been more libertarian than the fake L's at Reason in almost every way, so ENB has to pretend she has some authority to call him out on 'freedom' because she is still pretending its an area where she has some clout.
Everyone with a functioning brain realizes that is a farce.
Remember the key components of Reason Freedom (TM): weed, ass sex, and open borders. What has Twitter, or Musk, done for those core human needs?
He smoked weed with Rogan.
He supposedly went hard against sex trafficking and cp on the platform.
1 of those Reason would be happy about, but the other probably violates their principles.
American suburbs are thriving. They were already gaining population in the 2010s, and that only increased during the pandemic. This is leading to a surge in new retail and restaurants. In "2022, urban retail vacancies surpassed suburban retail vacancies for the first time since 2013," reports Axios. And today's suburbs are more diverse than those of yore.
Time for forced upzoning!
Suburbs are gaining population due to the millennials and younger that are flooding back. 20 years ago people were selling their suburban homes and buying condos near the Loop in Chicago. They have been ass raped with soaring property taxes, out of control crime, loss of major tax paying businesses and sanctuary city shenanigans.
Jeepers Cripes. I came from a tiny town, and went to a tiny high school. yet in my graduating class I can count five people who went on to marry outside their ethnicity and have "mixed race" children. That's not counting the Anglo/Latino couples which are a dime a dozen.
Who the hell are these flight attendants who assume people only marry within their gated enclave? Why haven't they been fired?
Who the hell are these flight attendants who assume people only marry within their gated enclave?
It's like they've never seen the Channel 5 documentary about Henry VIII's second wife, Jodie Turner-Smith, who gave birth to Queen Elizabeth I... or they all have and it only confused them... either way, we can be sure that the underlying problem is that they haven't been exposed to diversity enough... or too much.
Jeepers Cripes.
You would do yourself a world of favors if you quit using stupid phrases.
https://twitter.com/climatedepot/status/1658132904558444546?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Germany should create ‘climate passport’ for refugees – A ‘climate card’ & a ‘climate work visa’ would offer ‘permanent residency’ | Climate Depot
https://twitter.com/climatedepot/status/1658132904558444546?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Germany should create ‘climate passport’ for refugees – A ‘climate card’ & a ‘climate work visa’ would offer ‘permanent residency’ | Climate Depot
https://twitter.com/outnumberedfnc/status/1658126569938866177?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Soon on OUTNUMBERED: Homeless veterans have been booted from hotels to allow migrants to move in
So this is where I have begun to moderate my generally Open Border views.
In a libertarian world, people would be free to include or exclude people from their property according to any reason. We do that because EVERY decision has an opportunity cost. People tend to settle with and cooperate with culturally similar folks. It isn't bigotry, but rather acknowledging that there is a cost in every transaction with others. And having similar language, values and culture decreases those transaction costs.
Imagine a hundred people of diverse backgrounds all going to a strip mall where there are 3 choices: McDonalds, Taco Joint (where they don't speak english), or a Korean Joint, where they don't speak english. It takes more effort to order at the Taco joint if you don't speak the language. Same for the Korean joint. So maybe, if you are tired and just need to go home, you choose the McDonalds. People self wort this way all the time. They don't do it with racism or bigotry or cultural purity in mind. They do it because the costs of mixing often outweigh any benefit they get.
But here we have the government nationalizing the ability to choose who we get to associate with. The "bussing" controversy perfectly shows that there are costs associated with immigration. Again, in a private arrangement, the owners would decide what works for them. Even in common areas, they would be empowered to include or exclude people according to their wants- whether it is bigotry, or just cultural affinity.
But the government has removed those rights from us. They have taken swaths of land, and said that they will control who is allowed in. And for some reason, even though private citizens would have been able to vote back in the day, because this right is nationalized, the only choice is maximum support? You cannot exclude at all because it is a public service...you can confer with each other, but you must vote for complete inclusivity.
And as we see here, it isn't just "giving freedom" to others. It comes at a cost. In order for an immigrant to occupy a town square, or a hotel room, or any other space in the jurisdiction of the government, another person is excluded from that same place. All that Reason and other libertarians are doing is saying that the Government's choices should not be moderated by anyone else. That isn't libertarian.
If government enforced their sponsorship programs and require sponsors to pay for any and all resources utilized by illegal immigrants, there would be less pushback. But those costs are almost always waived. So we have millions of illegal immigrants costing taxpayers billions of dollars a year.
Right…I am unsympathetic of anyone who objects to migration on socialist labor market control reasons (you can’t let these people in here, as it will decrease labor costs).
But there is obviously a social cost of migration. Let’s call it a negative externality to borrow from the statists. You can deny it, as Reason often does when they declare that people migrating is *always* a net benefit. But then that makes it hard to object to DeSantis’s bussing program. If it is a net benefit for those migrants to go to Chicago or DC or NY, then why are all the mayors of those cities freaking out?
I think we could be honest about this. We can acknowledge that people should be allowed to move freely. But we should be willing to also acknowledge those “negative externalities” and truly account for them. Because they are at the least costing taxpayer money, but more likely costing other people (such as a disabled veteran competing for space) much more.
I completely agree. The social cost is there as well, even outside of financial. Border states have been at the forefront of this for decades. I've talked here about the restrictive costs of English as a second language, hospitals going bankrupt, community food banks and services being bankrupted, but also a cultural aspect as well, especially in the 2nd generations.
But at least the financial costs can be quantified and are, just largely ignored.
There is also secondary cost functions nobody refuses to acknowledge. Take for example "jobs Americans won't do." This is utterly BS as many of these jobs are cooks, wait staff, service sector, etc. So even granting illegal immigrants into these roles cheaper displaces other citizen candidates, think teenagers, that has a long term effect on them as well.
Soon on OUTNUMBERED: Homeless veterans have been booted from hotels to allow migrants to move in
To be fair, who would you rather have living in your hotel? The Meth addict who has no interest in working or the Catholic Immigrant looking for a better life?
You'd ' best b'leve I'd fuckin' drop-kick the homeless people in exchange for migrants.
The migrants are mostly homeless. And ask the NYC hotels how respective of property they are.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/worker-at-times-square-hotel-for-migrants-says-thousands-of-dollars-worth-of-food-is-tossed-out-daily/
Are we talking this news story?
https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/homeless-vets-are-being-booted-from-ny-hotels-to-make-room-for-migrants-advocates/
It may all be true, but it doesn’t sound like the most rock-solid reporting:
“She said the hotels didn’t explicitly say the vets had to move because of the migrants but that it was clear to her that was the case, given the timing.”
“The Crossroads, Super 8 and the hotel where the vets are now staying had no comment when contacted by The Post on Friday.
“Hampton Inn did not immediately respond to a message left on voicemail.”
Has there been any confirmation Sharon Toney-Finch’s accusations are accurate?
I could only find two news reports that were more recent. Reportedly, a bunch of wedding guests who had reservations also got booted out of the Crossroads Hotel right before a bus full of asylum seekers showed up there.
The odd part is that no reporter, even any of the local TV news station reporters, has bothered to simply walk into the lobby and ask the people at the front desk if they dumped a bunch of reserved guests to get higher per-night fees paid by the City of New York.
It’s not necessarily laziness on the part of the reporters. The management of the Crossroads Hotel may be stonewalling.
But I wonder if there is an element of what I would call “outrage service” to the reporting. We got a sensationalistic, outrage-promoting story so why put effort to finding out more about what is going on.
https://www.amny.com/politics/hudson-valley-dem-rips-adams-after-report-homeless-vets-were-booted-from-newburgh-hotel-to-make-way-for-migrants/
But a mayoral spokesperson pushed back on that account in a statement to amNewYork Metro. The spokesperson said their office was told no veteran staying at the Crossroads was pushed out of their reserved room due to the migrant program and that none of those individuals were identified as veterans when their reservations were made.
Additionally, the spokesperson said the veterans staying at the Crossroads had closed out their reservations, but some wanted to extend their stays around when the city started busing migrants to Newburgh last week.
“However, due to capacity issues, the hotel wasn’t able to accommodate these individuals, so they not only connected them with a new hotel close by, but made sure to provide any veteran who wanted to continue to stay in a hotel with a $250 credit at that hotel as a gesture of good faith,” the spokesperson said. “We would never want to push a veteran out of a room they reserved, and it’s sad that some have made these false allegations in an attempt to pit our veterans against a vulnerable population like asylum seekers.”
https://twitter.com/junkscience/status/1658131189608206339?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Offshore wind companies are licensed to kill twice as many Right Whales as are thought to exist, but Bloomberg climate propagandist @MarkGongloff blames ship strikes for whale deaths.
IOW Musk mustn't be criticised for what he did because other people were hypocrites.
Musk did what he said he would do.
So what? If someone says that they’re going to puke on your shoes and then they puke on your shoes, do you say, “no problem, you did what you said you were going to do”?
BTW it does seem as though you're a Musk fanboi.
"So what? If someone says that they’re going to puke on your shoes and then they puke on your shoes, do you say, “no problem, you did what you said you were going to do”?"
Straw man or false equivalence? Or both? The obnoxiously arrogant POS makes up for it by being an ignorant asshole besides.
The leftists here arent good at analogies.
Bear with them, they'll figure it out.
Sometimes they just pack it in…..
…to a trunk.
Shrike... Musk literally told users of Twitter in Turkey they would operate as the rules of Turkey require.
Must and Twitter literally have no power to defy the government of Turkey.
they DO have the power to not play footsie with US three letter a agencies and instead they chose to drop their panties immediately.
It is a big difference.
https://twitter.com/karol/status/1658099043149533187?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
NYC is sticking migrants in schools where they are free to come and go as they please. The schools, of course, are only in poorer areas. I don't see any Manhattan schools being used.
"American suburbs are thriving. They were already gaining population in the 2010s, and that only increased during the pandemic. "
Who would have thought, going all in on deep blue policies and legalizing crime, encouraging homelessness and drug use, would lead to cities becoming the shit holes everyone knew they would.
Im in a red state (thank god) and everywhere from the country to the suburbs is a wonderful place to live, all through the state. Small towns are great as well. Great state policies, freedom from COVID tyranny. The only places that are shit to live are the couple blue dots on the map, and I would feel worse for the "vote blue no matter who" democrats ruining those cities, if they didn't completely deserve it.
Move to a red state, and stay out of the cities. It is a completely different, better, freer world than the 3rd world cities that the left has destroyed
The other part of it is that the Millennials are in their 30s-early 40s now, and have been getting married and having kids the last few years. If you're wanting to raise a family, that shoebox condo in DA BIG CITY doesn't look as attractive when the nearest public school is in a ghetto and you have drunk idiots and hoboes screaming outside your building at 2 am. When you're in your 20s and childless, that kind of lifestyle is "colorful" and "diverse"; when in you're in your 30s and have a 6-year-old that has to go to school the next day, it's a pain in the ass, no matter how many different types of ethnic eateries and coffee shops are in the area.
Beware. It only took two generations to change the Philly suburbs from Reliably Red to Reliably Blue.
"Who would have thought, going all in on deep blue policies and legalizing crime, encouraging homelessness and drug use, would lead to cities becoming the shit holes everyone knew they would."
When ironic hipster urban lifestyles get a bit too murdery.
Woof, I think I saw 12-15 "title 42 ended, and everything is fine, totes nothing to see here, no migrants trying to get in at all!"...
all with such perfect timing and similar wording, that one can only assume they legit all still have their big group chat / journolist thing up and running, and they just get together to talk about what the propaganda machine will do next.
Seriously, same articles, same wording, released around the same time, same "nothing to see here, border's fine!!" schtick.
They really dont try hard at all do they?
They might all be the same, but have you heard anything different? I haven't. It seems the end of Title 42 is like so many stories we hear from the border is pending crisis that never really develop. I not saying there are not problems at the border by I think they get over emphasized.
I live in Edinburg, TX. Look it up if you don’t know where it is. Let me tell you and Mike the real story.
Don’t believe the stories in the McAllen Monitor and other lying “journalist” rags down here that say the surge has been somewhat under predictions and they have been able to deal with it.
We are sheltering in place while the human waves pass by. I went out to try and get some groceries, on foot since there is no more gasoline to be had at any price – the invaders bought it all with the welfare checks they are handed at the river. On the way I saw migrants fiendishly disguised as joggers and kids playing, some tried to greet me but I wasn’t fooled. The reports of gunfire at the Pharr bridge? Hell, it’s artillery, despite the false claims that it was a firework show after the baseball game.
Best I can tell the invaders are mostly Honduran but about 20% are jihadis driving technicals. No other way to explain so many pickup trucks on the road. Any day now we expect the local authorities – Quislings every one of them – will ban the use of English in public places and require that women cover their hair. Since the authorities deprived me of my guns, I plan to give the marauders my food and point out neighbors’ houses where they could find Anglo women, if that’s what it takes to get them to let me live. Selfish I know but every man for himself.
Quit sockpuppeting, Shrike... although that's better parody than your regular dross.
Where'd you copypaste it from?
Morning, Mr. Lament. It's my own writing but I have to admit the creative inspiration came from some of our colleagues here.
Never mind.
83k illegal immigrants crossed over in a week. Most with court appearance dates 3-10 years out. Whose costs are bankrupting towns, services, etc.
Yeap. No issues.
Source: NBC News.
The idea that there are no negative second order effects or stresses on local economies from 2.76 million people doing an end-zone dive into your social construct is laughable, at best.
Hell if Eric Adams, Lori Lightfoot, Kamala Harris and *checks notes* Katjana Ballantyne way up in them Yankee social constructs can complain about illegals from the southern border swamping their social services, imagine what it must be like to be, you know, right there on the border.
Spoiler: It's pretty fucking bad.
They might all be the same, but have you heard anything different?
You mean *aside* from the fact that their putting immigrants up in schools in the Bronx? Aside from the fact that they're housing them in abandoned school buildings in Chicago and the residents are pissed?
Talk about moronically oblivious.
"Well they aren't treating the gangrenous appendage, the sepsis continues to spread, my organs are being overtaxed and shutting down apace with the spread of the infection... but they didn't tell me the results of my latest blood draw, so there must not be a problem." - Moderation4ever
Hell, I saw a couple of "Title 42 ended and migration numbers dropped" headlines.
Totes believable.
Since ENB is talking about Twitter in the news, I'm suprised she didn't also bring up Musk's hiring of a controversial new CEO for Twitter:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65574826
"There has also been some instant scepticism at Ms Yaccarino's appointment on social media, where many were looking for clues to her politics, which reportedly lean conservative.
"Her work for the World Economic Forum, an organisation viewed negatively as 'globalist' by those on the right, has not been well-received in some quarters along with her role in a coronavirus vaccination campaign featuring Pope Francis.
"Others on the left have questioned her political involvement in a White House sports, fitness and nutrition council under former President Donald Trump."
I posted this here yesterday:
Elon Musk apparently decides Twitter isn’t worth eating a bullet over.
Who is Linda Yaccarino, Elon Musk’s pick for Twitter CEO?
Yaccarino’s been a WEF Executive Chair since January 2019.
Currently, she’s the Chairman of the WEF’s Taskforce on Future of Work.
She also sits on the WEF’s Media, Entertainment, and Culture Industry Governors Steering Committee.
Additionally, she’s part of the WEF’s Value in Media initiative.
Here’s her Linkedin.
Even weirder is that earlier this year she criticized him for not censoring independent media on the platform and urged him to self-censor some of his own non-mainstream views.
Looks like Musk just learned that you really can’t fight against the new Vatican city even if you’re the world’s richest man.
Absolutely no one should be surprised by this. Musk has nearly always been on board with whatever half-baked technocratic crapola that Schwab and his thralls dream up, including that absolutely horrendous idea to put a tracking chip in everyone's head and plug them into the Matrix.
Just because he's returned Twitter to the somewhat less-curated state that it was ~2015, doesn't mean he's not still a made man and one of the global elites. Only people who threaten to completely blow up that global grifting operation like Trump get kicked out of the club.
I don't think so. The head chip had more to do with his AI and eternal life obsession than any impulse to control.
I'm reasonably sure what happened here was that the great and the good made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Like "It'd sure be a shame if the next time you took a flight with your kids the airplane accidentally got shot down. Say, off-topic, Linda Yaccarino sure would be a great Twitter CEO".
I don’t think so. The head chip had more to do with his AI and eternal life obsession than any impulse to control.
If that's what he actually believes, he's incredibly naive. Americans thought the government wouldn't use the Patriot Act to spy on them, either, until Snowden narc'ed out the feds--and that Pandora's Box should have been obvious to anyone paying attention to what was in the act and understood human nature.
Any kind of cyberpunk bullshit like a head chip is not going to be at all benign if it's implemented. Apple ought be brought up on charges for their Apple Tag shit alone, just imagine some company getting a federal contract to do that with our skulls.
"If that’s what he actually believes, he’s incredibly naive."
A lot of orthodox liberals were incredibly naïve 7 years ago (Neuralink was founded in 2016) and have subsequently been mugged by reality.
In fact many of the strongest voices for freedom right now are lefties who noticed what was actually happening.
Over the weekend Gov. Ron DeSantis spoke in Iowa about a "culture of losing". We found out that Representative Comer has lost a whistleblower. We know that Representative Jim Jordan has lost many of the FBI whistleblowers he promised. The Republicans lost hundreds of people who signed affidavits about election fraud, because they never had them when they came to court. Republicans need to start using Apple Tags and combat the culture of losing.
We also know that the FBI is currently in contempt of Congress, refusing to provide subpoenaed documents related to that whistleblower's testimony.
"The FBI did not comply with the House Oversight Committee’s subpoena compelling the production of an FBI document that a whistleblower alleged describes as a criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Joe Biden and a foreign national and relating to the exchange of money for policy decisions."
That, combined with the whistleblower's disappearance doesn't strike you as odd, Missionary4ever?
First when did the vote for issuing a contempt of Congress happen and who was found in contempt? It would not be the FBI it would be an individual.
Second, the loss of a whistleblowers and affidavit signers suggests they never have them in the first place.
I said Wray is currently in contempt of Congress, not that there's been a formal charge. Just like I don't need to produce a formal charge to say that someone robbed my house. Stop playing White Mike-style sealioning games.
Second, Occam's Razor says the loss of a whistleblowers and affidavit signers suggests someone is intimidating witnesses. This is beyond bloody obvious.
Don't you feel the least bit embarrassed about shilling for overt fascism like this?
Come now, you know the answer to that.
So, no one is in actual contempt of Congress, well other than in your mind.
I would suggest that Occam's Razor would say that if you claim to have a large number of whistleblowers and affidavit signer and you cannot produce them, then maybe you did not have them in the first place. This is a simpler answer. Intimidating witnesses usually leave a trail, making it more complicated.
Any thoughts on the Durham report?
Heard it is out and that is all.
"So, no one is in actual contempt of Congress"
I don't know what else you'd call refusal to comply with a congressional subpoena.
So what you're trying to say here is if someone robs your house and rapes your wife, it's not actually robbery and rape until the police lay charges?
It's amazing how stupid you're willing to look in order to run cover for Wray and the Bidens.
Sophistry and pedantry are their favorite go to’s to try and invalidate anyone’s point who dares go against the cathedral. (Overt’s posts on the Liarson Shuffle are hilarious and perfectly identify this.)
Exactly, Missionary4ever's real purpose was trying to draw me into a debate on minutiae, and away from the fact that the FBI is refusing to comply with a subpoena in order to cover for the Bidens.
In that respect he was somewhat successful.
"Two of Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly’s Staffers Attacked With a Baseball Bat"
When will we finally have common sense bat control, including a ban on assault bats?
That's what they get for walking around DC in the first place.
>>Instead, Musk made a quasi-dictator's job easier.
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You have been throwing out your dumb taunts about it for years now now and repeatedly asking us where it is in your inimitable trolly fashion.
Well here it is (finally), you Soros dick-riding communist pedophile scumbag dipshit: Durham's final report, in its entirety:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/read-durham-report/index.html
Who you talking to Mikey?
You, Shrike.
Durham's report today show's that Hillary and the FBI tried to rig the 2016 election.
I know it's early but have you got any hot new narratives from your boss yet on how to discredit the findings?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-melee-erupts-minneapolis-dems-nominating-convention
Watch: Meleé Erupts At Minneapolis Dems' Nominating Convention
"The trouble began when incumbent Council Member Aisha Chughtai took the stage to deliver her 10-minute candidate presentation. To provide an impressive backdrop, the Chughtai campaign asked supporters to take the stage and stand behind her as she spoke.
That triggered backers backers of Chughtai's challenger, Nasri Warsame -- despite the fact that Warsame was randomly picked to speak second, and could have ventured to match Chughtai's visuals by inviting a similar display.
Instead, supporters of Somalia-born Warsame surrendered to violent impulses, and reportedly initiated physical violence that included shoving, punches and the hurling of objects. Many of them took to the stage themselves, yelling, waving "Nasri" signs and pounding on tables.
Recounting her feelings as she looked from the stage onto the melee before her, Chughtai supporter Bridget Siljander told Associated Press, "I was scared some of us might die."
Briana Rose Lee, a fluorescent pink-haired theater arts grad and chair of the Minneapolis chapter of the party, tweeted that "several DFL volunteers were assaulted, including four members of the State Executive Committee...I don't know the next steps yet. But there will be repurcussions."
Wow. Democrats are making Libertarian conventions look good.
Attention, people of Minneapolis: Import Somalia...become Somalia.
Enjoy your diversity, inclusion and equity.
I've never had a Twitter account and have never been tempted to get one. If defeating tyranny around the world depends on the opposition using Twitter, we're doomed. Time for the "creative destruction" to work its magic on Facebook and Twitter and CNN and Faux News and the New York Times and ...
The reason why the burbs are thriving is that no one wants to raise a family in crime ridden shit holes that every democrat city has become. Every democrat city. Unless you want to be carjacked, robbed, raped, shot, beaten or pushed onto a subway track, have your children beaten or shot, robbed or raped, have you home or apartment broken into multiple times and drug deals going on in front of your home while they shit in your front door, you will move out as fact as you can to a decent area without joggers.
The worst thing you can do is remain in place and hope for a change for the better.
It ain't gonna happen. A good example of this is the recent mayoral election in Chicago, where they drove out an addle minded fool and total idiot and replaced her with some one of even lesser intellect and a communist in the bargain. Already the seeds are germinating as with the recent wild out of control near riots a couple weekends ago and it's not even summer.
Stay away from Chicago at all costs along with the rest of the blue cities.
He really hates being called our for being a dem defending neocon, but will loudly declare everyone else to be a trump cultist conservative.
But he is the victim here.
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