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Donald Trump

Jury Finds Trump Liable for Sexual Abuse and Defamation of Writer E. Jean Carroll

Plus: Biden considering using the 14th Amendment to declare debt ceiling unconstitutional, Department of Energy makes mobile homes less affordable, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 5.10.2023 9:40 AM

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American author E Jean Carroll inside car in front of Manhattan Federal Court after closing arguments of rape-defamation case against Donald Trump on May 8, 2023 | Edna Leshowitz/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom
(Edna Leshowitz/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom)

E. Jean Carroll awarded $5 million in civil case against Trump. More than a dozen women have accused President Donald Trump of inappropriate sexual conduct, including numerous allegations of sexual harassment and assault. Now, for the first time, a jury has found Trump guilty of one of these claims. On Tuesday, a Manhattan jury found Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming writer E. Jean Carroll.

Carroll accused Trump of raping her in a department store dressing room in the 1990s. Trump called the allegation "a complete con job" and "a lie."

The jury did not find Trump guilty of rape, but did find him guilty of sexual abuse and defamation. Carroll was awarded $5 million in damages in the civil court case.

"It was not clear why jurors chose the lesser offense of abuse over rape," notes The New York Times. "Sexual abuse is defined in New York as subjecting a person to sexual contact without consent. Rape is defined under state law as sexual intercourse without consent that involves any penetration of the penis in the vaginal opening."

Nonetheless, Carroll seems satisfied with the verdict. "I filed this lawsuit against Donald Trump to clear my name and to get my life back," she said in a statement. "Today, the world finally knows the truth. This victory is not just for me but for every woman who has suffered because she was not believed."

In a Truth Social post, Trump responded "I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. This verdict is a disgrace—a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time!"

Opinions are mixed on whether the jury's finding will hurt Trump politically.

"In a better world it would matter, but in the debased and polarized American politics of 2023, it may not," writes the Wall Street Journal editorial board, expressing some skepticism that this case was brought for the right reasons:

Yet if most Republicans dismiss the verdict as one more political assault, Mr. Trump's opponents and the press have themselves to blame. … This lawsuit, like the two impeachments and the recent Alvin Bragg indictment that stretches the law, seems less an attempt to get at the truth than to find some way, any way, to disqualify him from ever becoming President again. Voters don't like being told that a man they elected should be disqualified by members of the opposite party or the press.

Meanwhile, at The New York Times, David French dismisses the idea that the case was simply a matter of "he said, she said":

Carroll provided her own testimony, of course. But she also presented evidence that she had told others about the assault at the time, as well as evidence from other women that Trump had assaulted them and touched them without their consent.

Trump declined to testify at the trial, but the jury did see his videotaped deposition, during which he denied Carroll's claims but also doubled down on his assertions in the infamous "Access Hollywood" video. "I just start kissing them," he said on the tape, "It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." He added: "Grab 'em by the [genitals]. You can do anything."

In the deposition, Carroll's lawyer, Roberta A. Kaplan, asked Trump specifically about that quote. "Well, historically, that's true with stars," he responded. When she pressed him, he doubled down: "Well, that's what—if you look over the last million years, I guess that's been largely true," Mr. Trump said. "Not always, but largely true. Unfortunately or fortunately."

I spent decades litigating cases, including a number of sexual harassment cases, and as I watched the evidence accumulate, I reached a tipping point—I would have been surprised by any verdict other than the one we received Tuesday.

But French is still skeptical that the result will make a difference to Republican voters.

The BBC talked to nine Republican female voters and found "his strongest supporters echoed Mr Trump's claim that he is the victim of a witch hunt," while "others said the verdict was further evidence that the party needs to find an alternative in 2024."

"Republicans challenging former President Donald Trump for the 2024 nomination were divided Tuesday after the 76-year-old was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation," notes the New York Post.

A number of Senate Republicans expressed concern that the verdict would affect Trump's electability. "You never liked to hear that a former president has been found—in a civil court—guilty of those types of actions," said South Dakota Sen. Mike Rounds.

Republican strategist Rick Tyler suggested the verdict would matter little to strong Trump supporters but could be bad news for Trump when it comes to swing voters, "making him unelectable in the general."


FOLLOW-UP

President Joe Biden is now considering invoking the 14th Amendment to declare limits on U.S. government debt illegal. Last week, Biden said he had "not gotten there yet" but would not rule this extraordinary measure out, as a standoff between Republicans and Democrats over raising the debt ceiling persists. On Tuesday, he told reporters "I have been considering the 14th Amendment." Noting that it would face litigation, he added: "I'm thinking about taking a look at—months down the road—to see what the court would say about whether or not it does work."


FREE MINDS

Wikipedia won't comply with U.K. age verification proposal. The U.K.'s massive Online Safety Bill "will touch on almost every aspect of online life in Britain," notes The Guardian. The bill is currently before Parliament. As part of its requirements, websites must have "proportionate systems and processes" designed to prevent minors from encountering harmful content, internet and telecoms lawyer Neil Brown told BBC News. In some cases, this means websites must verify user ages.

But age verification would "violate our commitment to collect minimal data about readers and contributors," the Wikimedia Foundation's Rebecca MacKinnon told the BBC. "The Wikimedia Foundation will not be verifying the age of UK readers or contributors," she said.

Techdirt has more details about the Online Safety Bill and its issues here. "The UK government still hopes to bend the internet to its will, but it's constantly finding out it won't be as easy as just declaring a bunch of stuff illegal," Mike Masnick writes:

The usual suspects have been cited in support of ruining the internet: hate speech, [child pornography], etc. While the proposed measures might have some immediately noticeable effect, those effects will likely be limited to showboat-y, ineffectual fining of non-compliant tech companies, perhaps with a few threats of prosecution thrown into the mix.

Notably, the bill targets tech companies, rather than those engaging in the activities the UK government wants to see eradicated. Tech companies are pushing back, though. Some of the biggest providers of encrypted communication services have already told the UK government they'll exit the British market, rather than make their offerings less secure.

It's not just encryption being targeted by the UK government. The government is also demanding service providers collect and retain more information about their users, supposedly to ensure the proverbial children aren't exposed to content above their pay age grade.


FREE MARKETS

A new Department of Energy rule will make manufactured homes less affordable, the Wall Street Journal editorial board warns:

Some 22 million Americans live in manufactured homes, often called mobile homes, and their median household income is $35,000 a year. The average cost of a manufactured home ranges from $72,000 to $132,000, compared to $365,000 for a traditional house. Manufactured homes were about 9% of new single-family home starts in 2021, providing more than 100,000 affordable homes.

Yet they are also the only single-residence housing entirely regulated by the federal government, in part because they are transported around the country after factory production. The Department of Housing and Urban Development for decades oversaw construction, safety and efficiency standards for the units, but in 2007 House Democrats gave the Energy Department power to impose energy-efficiency mandates.

Enter Jennifer Granholm's Energy Department, which last year unveiled a rule that condensed a decade of incremental efficiency rules into one turbocharged mandate. The low-cost manufactured home industry will be subject to standards that far surpass those applied to homes built on lots.

The result could be thousands of dollars tacked on to the cost of new mobile homes.

It's yet another way U.S. regulations are driving up the cost of housing. In so many ways, this country makes small or atypical housing arrangements illegal or more expensive—and folks wonder why we have such a large homeless population.

We get so worried that housing meets certain standards or preferences that we overlook the fact that tiny, crowded, or otherwise less desirable housing is better than no housing at all, a paradox Matthew Yglesias tackled in a Slow Boring post last year. Yglesias notes that mid–20th century, housing in which adults shared rooms was not uncommon, though it is today:

This decline in housing crowding is in part a triumph. Our society has gotten richer, our homes have gotten much larger on average, and material living standards have improved.

But in addition to reducing housing crowding through economic growth, the United States has also waged a multi-faceted war against the legality of small dwellings, with boarding houses and single-room occupancy (SRO) hotels driven out by zoning codes. But rather than improve life for those who would have previously lived in these accommodations, the move has largely shifted people into homeless shelters or sleeping on the street. As long as the unhoused are in shelters, they are largely out of sight out of mind as far as the electorate is concerned. But a mix of objective scarcity of shelter space and rising drug addiction has helped increase the number of visibly homeless people sleeping rough in American urban centers.

A barebones boarding house or hotel room may not be anyone's ideal,

but it is a lot better than sleeping in a car or in a tent. And an accommodation that you actually pay for and rent has considerable advantages over a shelter. It's your space on your terms and you can keep your stuff there.

A market in low-end housing, as opposed to a network of nonprofit- or government-operated shelters also accounts for the fact that tastes and preferences differ. Some people might prefer to stay in an [single-room occupancy] with very strict rules as a way to protect themselves from disorder and nuisance. Others might prefer much laxer rules so they could indulge in alcohol or other private vices.


QUICK HITS

• "Working Minnesotans would be guaranteed up to 20 weeks of paid time off to care for a baby, loved one, or their own medical issues under legislation that narrowly passed the state Senate Monday," reports Axios. "A .7% payroll tax, split between employers and employees, would fund the program."

• The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll finds two-thirds of those surveyed support keeping the abortion drug mifepristone legal.

• Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.) opposes a proposal by his Republican colleagues that would require employers to verify workers' citizenship status using E-Verify.

Republicans are about to make a huge mistake.

Biden forced millions of Americans to take VACCINES by threatening their JOBS, and turning EMPLOYERS into enforcers.

Imagine giving Biden the ultimate on/off switch for EMPLOYMENT called E-verify.

Might as well call it V-verify.

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) May 7, 2023

• Jordan Neely wasn't killed by "the system," Reason's Billy Binion writes.

• After being fired from Fox News, Tucker Carlson will continue his show on Twitter.

• The Allen, Texas, massacre underlines the false promise of so-called "universal background checks."

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    President Joe Biden is now considering invoking the 14th Amendment to declare limits on U.S. government debt illegal.

    "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!"

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      It is odd watching a President REPEATEDLY engage in actions he knows are, at best, sketchy Constitutionally and just wait for courts to strike them down.

      More of those norms I heard so much about back in 2020.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Biden learned at the feet of Obama.

        It is disturbing, and I’m sure you agree that it was just as disturbing when Trump tried to bend the Constitution by pressuring Vice President Pence to reject electoral votes.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Absolutely is.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            I applaud your perception that it is both sides.

            1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

              Why is that even relevant other than to demonstrate that you're a leftist asshole?

              1. Super Scary   2 years ago

                If he doesn't both sides every possible thing, he'll lose street cred with Sarcasmic and SPB2.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  Says the guy who sucks up to the likes of Mother's Lament and JesseAz.

                  1. Super Scary   2 years ago

                    I don't give a shit what those two think of me. You ever see me run to their defense like you three do with each other? I wouldn't be surprised if you guys coordinated through discord or something.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      You ever see me run to their defense like you three do with each other?

                      If I agree with anything one of them says, then you and your buddies will scream that we’re defending each other. So by your own metric you suck salty sweat off troll balls every day.

                    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

                      "If I agree with anything one of them says, then you and your buddies will scream that we’re defending each other."

                      It's more about the little pow-wow chain replies you three end up getting into once in a while to lick each others wounds and whine about the other commenters. You know, your little circle-jerk safe space that shows up, usually in an article you sarcastically claim doesn't exist.

                  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    "Says the guy who sucks up to the likes of Mother’s Lament and JesseAz."

                    SUCK IT, JESSE!
                    Troll boy just designated me his most hated enemy number one!

                    That's right folks, he posted his enemies list. I'm numero uno and most of you aren't even on it anymore.

                    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

                      The many grey boxes weep in despair...

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Lol.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              If thats your only example from Trump, pretty weak comparison. Since dems use courts to contest elections all the time.

        2. Uilleam   2 years ago

          Are these the same White Mike?

          George Santos
          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/may/10/george-santos-charges-republican-biden-debt-ceiling-inflation-live-updates

          Biden
          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-family-received-millions-foreign-nationals-conceal-source-funds-house-oversight

        3. Zeb   2 years ago

          Yup. And that's the sort of thing presidents ought to be impeached over. A clear and direct violation of their oath of office.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

            Impeachment isn’t a legal proceeding. Congress is not a court. Impeachment is a purely political tool that allows Congress to boot the president for “High crimes and Misdemeanors” which means whatever they want it to mean.

            And it’s something that should be used much more often.

            1. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

              Constitutional tools we have that don’t get used enough:

              – Vetoes
              – Overrides of vetoes
              – Impeachments
              – 25th Amendment, Section 4.

              Might throw in Article V convention. It’s a fearsome weapon so we should think hard before actually pulling the trigger, but I’m not against some brandishing. One imagines the legislature of the 34th state would be in strong position to negotiate demands with Congress.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                The Founders anticipated branches of government competing with each other resulting in checks on power. As in “What part of the Constitution says you can do that? No answer? Then you can’t do that!”

                What they did not anticipate was all branches adopting a policy of deference where they simply do not question each other unless someone really makes a stink. As in “I’ll let you abuse power if you let me abuse power. Cool? Cool.”

                1. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

                  Two “minor” reforms I’d like to see that won’t happen:

                  1. Each law passed has to state specifically which section of the constitution authorizes it. If it’s the “necessary and proper” clause it needs to say specifically which other section it is carryng into effect. If challenged in court the government can only argue the section claimed. It would at least make them think about it a little.

                  2. In federal criminal trials, the jury is explicitly told not just the statute under which the person is charged, but the section of the constitution authorizing the statute. The prosecution needs to show that both the elements of the statute and the constitutional section apply, and the jury instructions should require that both be proved. It’s not really that big a change – the jury could in principle do this already.

            2. Zeb   2 years ago

              Well, it's some kind of legal proceeding. But not a court and not held to the same standards as a criminal or civil proceeding.
              I would also like to see it used more.

      2. Overt   2 years ago

        To be fair, Bush was also guilty of this. Not just via his National Security apparatus, but he also expressed concerns that McCain-Feingold was unconstitutional, and left it to the courts to figure out. "Sure I took an oath to uphold the Constitution, but this is above MY paygrade!"

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          suspense of free market principles to save the free market was cute.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Show me a compassionate conservative and I'll show you a big government progressive who opposes abortion.

            1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

              Show me a compassionate progressive and I'll show you a totalitarian who wants to castrate boys and remove the breasts from girls. And declare it is a human right and those who oppose child mutilation are genocidal.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Intellectual bankruptcy.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Well, he is from Scranton, right?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

        Good catch.

    4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Biden is doing a great job. We now are riskier than 3rd world countries.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-10/us-default-insurance-cost-eclipses-brazil-mexico-as-x-day-nears?srnd=premium#xj4y7vzkg

  3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    E. Jean Carroll awarded $5 million in civil case against Trump.

    HE MOVED ON HER LIKE A BITCH!

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Not an allegation you'll ever have to worry about because she's over the age of 10

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago (edited)

      Call me crazy, but waiting 20-30 years to accuse anyone of wrong doing smacks of opportunistic bullshit.

      At least the Monica Lewinsky scandal happened in real time. (Going after him for fooling around with a cute brunette intern was just fucking stupid on the Republicans part.)

      1. Davedave   2 years ago

        You're crazy. They changed the law recently, making it possible to do something about past wrongs.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          That was a "crazy" law, but that is apparently why she "waited" so long.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          And impossible to defend oneself against false accusations. Carroll didn't even know which year it occurred. There is a reasom statutes of limitation exist.

    4. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

      Why don't you mention the charges. The fact that the award was for defamation because Trump called her a liar over the rape accusation. The rape accusations was then found to be unsubstantiated, so she was, in fact, lying.

      You applaud this circular kangaroo court.

      Well done ButtP2

  4. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    Global rice shortage is set to be the biggest in 20 years
    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/19/global-rice-shortage-is-set-to-be-the-largest-in-20-years-heres-why.html

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      'Experts' Float Potentially Deadly Ban on Global Rice Production for 'Climate Change'
      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/benbartee/2023/04/19/experts-float-potentially-deadly-ban-on-global-rice-production-for-climate-change-n1688608
      Rice – Asia’s principal staple – is to blame for around 10% of global emissions of methane, a gas that over two decades traps about 80 times as much heat as carbon dioxide.

      Usually associated with cows burping, high levels of methane are also generated by bacteria that grow in flooded rice paddies and thrive if leftover straw rots in the fields after harvest.

      The message from scientists is: Rice cannot be ignored in the battle to cut emissions.

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        The climate zealots want everyone dead. Leftists want everyone disarmed. No coincidence.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Just don't let your dead body decompose, or there will be more penalties.

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Proceeding as intended.

      3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Trust the experts.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Usually associated with cows burping, high levels of methane are also generated by bacteria that grow in flooded rice paddies and thrive if leftover straw rots in the fields after harvest.

        "Normal biodegradable actions cause GLOBULL WORMIN'!"

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Drain the swamp!
          Literally.

          1. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

            It reopens on Twitter tonight, live from Mar A Lago, as Tuck's Back Yard.

            https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2022/09/pride-goeth-before-squall.html

      5. Overt   2 years ago

        It is noteworthy that 20 years ago, the roles were flipped here: AGW skeptics were pointing out that Methane is also a greenhouse gas and there were rafts of science explaining why methane doesn't matter. In a nutshell, methane degrades faster than CO2, and so over 100 years, it is only 25x the cumulative heating potential of equivalent amounts of CO2. That is more, but you need to remember it is a tiny amount compared to CO2.

        What has happened is that certain activist scientists have advocated reducing the outlook for climate forcing down to 50 or 25 years. And when you do this, it makes methane look 80 or 100x worse than CO2. But this is just a statistical artifact of your time preference. You are spending your time and energy removing a GHG that was going to naturally deteriorate anyways.

        Why this statistical nonsense is happening isn't that clear to me. I suspect that the main reason is that countries have cleared out most of the low hanging fruit in CO2 reduction, and the rest is very hard. For example, my city is mandated to reduce GHG emissions. If they focused on 100 year trends, kicking people out of their cars, forcing producers to reduce carbon emissions, etc would be the appropriate response. But if you focus on 50 year trends, you get more bang for your mandate-buck by requiring all the residents to separate their compost (so that it can be diverted from landfills, and methane can be captured).

        I assume the other reason this is taking off is that it brings the PETA and other animal activists onboard, and encourages them all to amplify the message.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          I can't imagine still believing these assholes are acting in anything close to good faith, instead of trying to destroy the lives of the professionals and engage in some depopulation, but you do you

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Just wait until they ban water vapor.

      6. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        I guess that means any Hawkeye and Trapper John with a rice still will become The New Duke Boys! 🙂

        Well, Kolonel Klink Klaus will take my Mongolian Beef, Broccoli, and Fried Rice over the same warm, live fingers that hold my crossbow.

  5. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    White House not stolen, but bought with Zuckerberg’s money: Goodwin
    https://nypost.com/2021/10/16/white-house-not-stolen-but-bought-with-zuckerbergs-money-goodwin/

    Texas researcher William Doyle crunched the numbers showing how the nonprofits concentrated in areas Biden won, often spending three or four times as much money per voter as they spent in districts Trump won.

    “The 2020 election wasn’t stolen,” Doyle concluded. “It was likely bought by one of the world’s wealthiest and most powerful men pouring his money through legal loopholes.”

    1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      The Zuckerberg money was available as grants to any city applying. That many larger cities took advantage of the opportunity does not mean that there was bias. The money funded election work, which often costs more in larger cities. The story here is that Republican legislatures are often tight with election money to make it difficult for voters in large urban areas. If you don't want private money support election operations then fund it properly.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        This is false.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        This.
        Also, the article is 18 months old.
        Ra is using old stories to push narratives on a bad news day for Trump and Team Red generally.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          It is false. Multiple state analysis showed when comparing precinct by precinct dem leaning districts recieved 3x per voter donations. You have been shown this analysis multiple times. The analysis only shows precincts that recieved money, it did not include ones that didn’t.

          But it favors democrats so you openly lie about it.

          1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            But the grants were open to all. Nothing stopped Republican precincts from applying for the funds.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              That you assume they did not is amusing.

            2. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

              The grants had strings attached as far as what election rules should look like. If the GOP didn't like the rich man's rules, the GOP didn't get the rich man's money. Why apply if to get the rich man's money you need to make rule changes you oppose?

            3. DesigNate   2 years ago

              “The analysis only shows precincts that recieved money, it did not include ones that didn’t.”

              If what Jesse said is true, then the analysis would include Republican districts that did apply for grants. So it would still show a clear bias.

            4. JesseAz   2 years ago

              It doesn't matter as they compared only recipients. Your original post was false.

        2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          “Old news” ploy.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Also, asshole ploy.

        3. Uilleam   2 years ago

          Go back to your basement you simp.

      3. damikesc   2 years ago

        Your claims are false.

      4. Overt   2 years ago

        This is absolutely untrue. Anyone could apply. There are no records to tell who applied and was awarded money. We do know for a fact that democratic districts were overwhelmingly awarded money, compare to conservative, or even split districts.

        Second, in addition to awarding these grants, democratic districts were given additional access and assistance in applying for grants. These activists have bragged about how they hired people to select dem-heavy districts and to go to them and solicit grant requests.

        If a program is open to everybody, but you only publicize it to a select few, it is really only available to them.

      5. Zeb   2 years ago

        What the fuck is "election work"?

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          Sign up to be a poll worker and find out.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Remember ages ago when Democrats whined about the influence of rich people, and demanded that we keep big money out of politics?

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        Which the GOP resisted and which means that they have no basis for complaint now that their electoral ox was gored. That's Citizens United for you.

        1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

          Nope. Zuck didn't make a move or buy ad time; he bought the vote counters off.

          1. SRG   2 years ago

            And yet for all Trump's bullshit lawsuits, even he didn't make that claim. Try again, this time without thorazine.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              The claim was made multiple times shrike. It just wasn't illegal for most states. Which is why states have changed laws to stop outside funding of election offices.

              Try to keep up buddy.

            2. Zeb   2 years ago

              It's subject to interpretation, but if he was funding actual election operations, there is a good case to be made that that at least opens it to the perception of undue influence. There is a big difference between funding communications about a candidate or issues in an election and funding the actual operation of the election.

  6. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

    The average cost of a manufactured home ranges from $72,000 to $132,000, compared to $365,000 for a traditional house. Manufactured homes were about 9% of new single-family home starts in 2021, providing more than 100,000 affordable homes.

    99,000 ended up on a 5 acre patch in Idaho.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

      How much is that to heat in ID? In WY, it is anywhere from 4-10x to heat a manufactured home, even with cheap nat gas prices.

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        I don't know.

        My house is primarily wood heated. I have electric heating, but wood only requires collection and processing.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Climate and/or forest rapist!

  7. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    We the jury, find Trump defamed this woman by saying she lied about him raping her. We also find that she lied about him raping her.

    1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      But they did find that she was truthful in saying he sexually abused her. So, he was lying that he never knew her and that nothing happened.

      As I noted before Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump have a lot in common both hold grudges.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        That was not her claim for the defamation suit. Rape and battery are 2 different charges.

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          Rape and battery are two different charges, but there was no finding of battery here it was a finding of sexual abuse.

          1. SRG   2 years ago

            I can't believe I'm defending JesseAZ here but battery was indeed one of the charges:

            https://www.npr.org/2023/05/09/1174975870/trump-carroll-verdict

            1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

              You are correct and I misspoke. A look at the jury's verdict slip, show that Battery was the main heading and the choices were, rape, sexual abuse, and forcible touching. The jury did choose to find the defendant, Trump, guilty of battery and that battery being sexual abuse.

              https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/jury-verdict-form-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial-00096059

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Keep this in mind shrike next time you think I'm misinformed.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Carroll said she was raped. Jury concluded she was not. So trump saying she lied about rape was a true statement per the jury. How was she defamed here?

            Work it out slowly.

            1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

              So, can we agree that Trump is not a rapist, but he is a sexual abuser? Does that work for you?

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                I see you never worked it out. Also wasn't a criminal trial.

      2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        She also claimed she sued because he called her ugly. Calling someone "ugly" is not defamation.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Especially when, like in her case, it is exceptionally generous.

        2. Jerryskids   2 years ago

          It's a compliment to tell a woman you'd totally like to rape her. I tell every woman I meet no matter how young or how old that I'd like to tie them up, rip off their clothes, and fuck them up the ass just to protect myself from defamation suits. You should do the same.

        3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Hold on. Are you conflating something she said outside of court to explain her motivation for suing (“… and he called me ugly!”) with claims that were actually made in the lawsuit? I don’t recall any testimony about whether she is ugly or not, and none of the counts handed down by the jury concern her ugliness, or lack thereof.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            Hold on. Are you conflating something she said outside of court to explain her motivation for suing (“… and he called me ugly!”) with claims that were actually made in the lawsuit?

            https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1651599682403958786

            She said it in the farking trial, man. It's not my fault you're not paying attention to any of this.

            1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

              It wasn't fed to Mike from CNN or MSNBC it didn't happen.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                In this case, if we are going by the tweet ATM just linked to, it didn't happen. "It" being that being called ugly was a claim in the defamation lawsuit.

            2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

              You realize the tweet you just linked to reinforced my point, don’t you? It wasn’t a claim in the lawsuit. It was just something she mentioned.

              And I am paying some attention to the trial. In my opinion, an appropriate amount. It's your business if you want to deep dive into following it on a deeper level.

              1. DesigNate   2 years ago

                “It was just something she mentioned” in trial. For defamation.

          2. windycityattorney   2 years ago (edited)

            No remember that Trump repeatedly said she wasn’t his type. Then he was shown a picture during his deposition of him and Carroll and capt big brains indicated the girl with him in the photo was his wife Marla Maples. “Not his type.”

            Additionally, when confronted with the Access Hollywood hot mic “when your a star, they let you do it” quote he doubled down on stupid trying to justify the comments… then was asked the simple follow up: “Do you consider yourself a star?” A: Yes.

            Then commented on how the lawyer asking the questions wasn’t his type.

            Explaining why his lawyers didn’t have him testify and deny the encounter with Carroll. Which he then lied about saying he was prevented from testifying/confronting her.

            1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              That was mean. How could Trump possibly have answered "no" to such a question? He would have shrivelled up and died on the spot!

              1. windycityattorney   2 years ago

                I saw a small clip of the deposition re: access hollywood hot mic. He answers in his typical fashion (talking out of his ass) if one were to look at history that this is the way of the world for the last million years or so...but adds "unfortunately or fortunately."

                What is amazing is that there is no way he wasn't coached by his attorneys prior to the deposition to expect them to ask about the access hollywood quote and likely instructed him how to respond. "It was just locker room talk" or whatever excuse. But instead of doing the sensible thing, he goes way off track and digs the hole he created with that quote even deeper by doubling down on it. And then starts commenting on the lawyer's appearance. How he would never be interested in someone like her.

                People commenting here that he didn't need to testify because he gave the deposition are missing an important point. The deposition was FUCKING TERRIBLE for Trump. So knowing that the deposition would come up during the trial, Trump's lawyers have two options. A) Let the deposition play as is knowing its looks terrible for Trump or B) Have Trump testify so he can explain what he really meant when answering the questions in the deposition and somehow attempt to salvage a sinking ship.

                Trump's lawyers had to have had zero faith that option B would work and that Trump would have likely dug the hole even deeper in front of the jury so went with option A.

                Only thing left for Trump to do is lie about the trial (i was unconstitutionally prevented from defending myself!), call it a liberal witch-hunt, promise to appeal. He is a total nightmare client for any attorney.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      I don't get how that logically stands on appeal.

      1. windycityattorney   2 years ago

        Jury felt that he groped her without consent but there wasn't enough evidence to prove he had sex with her. Its not hard to believe based on the other evidence and his own words that he does that kind of shit. After all, when you are a star 'they let you do it.'

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          How did they prove he groped her?

          If it’s just that they used the access Hollywood audio, that’s some fucking weak sauce.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            Maybe you need to review how things are "proved" in court?

            What happened in this particular case is: the plaintiff testified that the defendant did it, and the jury believed her. Thus, it was "proved" by a preponderance of the evidence.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Yet couldn't explain what year it occurred, why there was no dressing room attendant she admitted was always there, or why the locked rooms were open despite always being locked and requiring an attendant.

              There is no evidence they even ever met in the department store.

              So what evidence do you have?

              Democrats here are acting like juries are never wrong.

              1. windycityattorney   2 years ago

                Juries are sometimes wrong there is no doubt about that. But besides the access hollywood tape, and besides Caroll's testimony - there were other witnesses who testified that Trump made inappropriate sexual advances on them that are consistent with this statement in the access hollywood tape. That he just goes for it.

                There is also Trump's deposition that was played for the jury and which was a total shit show. There were two witnesses who claim Carroll told them near the time of the incident that this incident happened - which would corroborate Carroll's testimony.

                I don't know what other evidence there was but the defense strategy was not to present a defense per se (call witnesses or introduce evidence) their only strategy was to attack the plaintiff's case. Which they did. And which, based on the verdict, they were not entirely successful in doing.

                I don't know if it would have made a difference to the jury if Trump was present or if Trump testified and denied it in open court - but the fact the didn't even bother to show up likely did not help his chances. And the fact that his main reason for why this wasn't possible was because Carroll wasn't his 'type' (i.e, he wouldn't be interested in her based on her appearance) was likely destroyed by Trump confusing Carroll with his ex wife Marla Maples in a photo shown to him in the deposition.

                Preponderance of evidence standard is not a huge burden (50.1% more probable than not). It could also be the case that Trump's lawyers weren't very good compared to Plaintiffs. All of these factors and more could explain the jury's results.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Has zero to do with this case and none of those claims have evidence either.

                  Do you even understand the legal system?

              2. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

                Well, they did make an episode about Bergman's in 2012. A woman is assaulted in the dressing room while trying on lingerie, which is totally a coincidence and not a surprise and a show she never saw.

                https://www.businessinsider.com/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-svu-episode-rape-bergdorf-goodman-2023-5?op=1

    3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Does everyone think it’s reasonable that trump shops in department stores?

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        He was probably looking to buy the store to sell his Trump neck ties.

      2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Are you alluding to something Trump said in his deposition, to the effect that he never set foot in department stores?

        Or did this brilliant thought just come to you spontaneously?

    4. Super Scary   2 years ago (edited)

      Yep, it’s the same ridiculous level of what happened recently; found guilty of paying his blackmailer.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    But age verification would "violate our commitment to collect minimal data about readers and contributors..."

    Don't contributors get cataloged by IP addy?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A new Department of Energy rule will make manufactured homes less affordable...

    You will own nothing and like it.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Working Minnesotans would be guaranteed up to 20 weeks of paid time off...

    Any future legislation attempting to pare that back will be met with yellow vest protests and Citroëns burning in the streets.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Almost half a damned year?

      Why the hell would a company remain there?

      Prepare to find the loopholes in the law to be utilized.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        First loophole: not for white people.

  11. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    Opinions are mixed on whether the jury's finding will hurt Trump politically.

    I am sure this had no bearing on when and why this suit was filed.

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      A NY jury would think "he did it" when they walked into the courtroom before the first day of the trial. If not even they could say he did it, he didn't do it.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        He did have lawyer that were able to participate in jury selection. I would also say that in many cases jury go in with opinions, which they have agreed to set aside and to base the decision on evidence. Why is this case really different than so many other cases?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          The majority of testimony allowed by the judge was character witness testimony unrelated to Carroll. This isnalmost never allowed in courts the way this judge allowed it. Try again.

          The judge also barred trumps defense team bringing up her book claiming she was raped more than 20 times but none about Trump. Or her NY rape tours passing by Trump tower where she never mentioned Trump.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

            ""This isnalmost never allowed in courts the way this judge allowed it. Try again.""

            I think that's true in criminal trials, but not civil trials.

          2. Super Scary   2 years ago

            "The judge also barred trumps defense team bringing up her book claiming she was raped more than 20 times"

            Wowzers. Talk about skewing the statistics.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          If the entire jury pool consists of sheep, a wolf will never get a fair trail. No matter how good of lawyer he has.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            He could never get a fair trial in New York, but he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and [he] wouldn’t lose voters". I guess he's assuming his voters don't serve on juries?

        3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

          On TRUTH Social yesterday, Trump was fuming that the trial was held in “AN ANTI-TRUMP AREA”. So, his hometown, where he grew up and people know him best, is against him; he might want to reflect on what that says about him.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            How dare he stray from the tribe!

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Yeah, maybe he “strayed from the tribe.” On the other hand, maybe he has a reputation in his hometown of being a well-known asshole.

              1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                On the other hand, maybe he has a reputation in his hometown of being a well-known asshole.

                Is it possible it's due to his politics, since he was well-known and popular for decades before he decided to run as a Republican? Is that POSSIBLE?

                1. SRG   2 years ago

                  He wasn't popular in NY long before he turned Republican. He was always known as a grifter and welcher. I knew a few people who dealt with him, and not one of them had anything good to say about him. As someone once observed of the very popular English F1 driver Nigel Mansell, "the only people who like him are those who don't know him".

                  1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                    He deserves to be guilty because OMB

                    /srg

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

                    NO ONE fucking “liked” Trump, ever. Not even the media when they were washing his balls in the mid-late 80s, or when he was getting cameos on their movies and TV shows, or during the Apprentice run on TV, or when rappers were name-dropping him as an aspirational figure for over 20 years. The only reasons he commanded any political loyalty in the GOP is because he shat all over the Republican establishment and was one of the few prominent celebrity figures, one who was basically a made man in the nation's elite, to go after Obama.

                    He’s ALWAYS been known as a carnival barker and a cad, even by people who voted for him. He’s promoted himself as a brand for over 40 years now. The difference between him and Clinton or Biden is that he simply fell out of favor with the left, not because they actually disapproved of his behavior per se.

                    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                      Which should have somewhat tempered the "outrage" among his supporters about his inevitable comeuppance, one might think?

                    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      Which should have somewhat tempered the “outrage” among his supporters about his inevitable comeuppance, one might think?

                      Why? Clinton and Biden got a pass, so it's not unreasonable to understand why his supporters would take a similar position.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            What was false about his claim mike?

          3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            So it wasn’t an impartial jury?

        4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          He also lied about that on TRUTH Social, claiming he isn’t allowed to speak in his own defense. The only ones stopping him from speaking in his own defense at the trial were his own lawyers.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            As they said, it is impossible to prove a negative, so what was the point?

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              That it is literally a lie when Trump says he is not allowed to speak in his own defense.

              1. Uilleam   2 years ago

                Did your parents have any children that lived?

              2. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

                The only ones stopping him from speaking in his own defense at the trial were his own lawyers

                So, not allowed then. It is not 'literally' a lie. You can interpret it another way. He does not say he was banned from testifying, which has also been redefined but would fit here.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Rolling my eyes. Not being allowed to speak by your lawyers, who you are hiring to advise you, is in no way not being allowed to speak. It is being advised by them not to speak.

                  1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

                    Just playing your game. How do you know what Trump was referring to if he doesn't specifically indicate who is not allowing him to speak. You are assuming he is referring to the court but that is an assumption not the fact. He can both be advised not to speak and be not allowed to speak under his lawyer's advice.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            The judge told his lawyers he would be subject to questions unrelated to the specific claims of carrol.

            Do you even try to find out information?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Information is racist!

            2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

              You mean like Carroll was? How frightening!

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Oddly trump was blocked from various defensive questions of Carroll. You dont find it odd the judge treated both differently?

          3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Mike only tells the truth in his posts.

        5. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          Why is this case really different than so many other cases?

          I don't know if you're aware of this, but juries have been wrong before.

          1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            Yes, they have but they are also what we have and they are better than any alternative.

            1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

              Okay...so you'd agree that it's perfectly legitimate to criticize a jury verdict if you think the jury is wrong. So therefore, this case is actually not any different than any other case, making your earlier question a non-sequitor.

              1. Super Scary   2 years ago (edited)

                “this case is actually not any different than any other case”

                Of course it's different. Trump is involved. All bets are off.

              2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                No no, you can only criticize a verdict if someone like M4E tells you it’s okay.

                He’s super moderate that way and not just another Dem ball licker.

                1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

                  Have I criticized a verdict? If so when?

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Republican strategist Rick Tyler suggested the verdict would matter little to strong Trump supporters but could be bad news for Trump when it comes to swing voters, "making him unelectable in the general."

      Yeah, one might even accuse this whole lawsuit of being strategic, and funded by someone with a specific political aim.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Not allowed to be discussed at trial. But all these other women unrelated to the carrol case, bring them in.

        Judge was very biased making appeal likely.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Trump is a serial lawsuit winnah! Slam-dunk.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Do you want to go ahead and do that then? Who is the funder?

        1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          Reid Hoffman, a Democrat megadonor. Did you really not know this?

          https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyers-cant-discuss-billionaire-funding-carroll-rape-lawsuit-judge-2023-4

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Considering Hoffman was one of Epstein's guest at Kiddie Rape Island, he may need to watch who he pisses off himself.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Carrol even lied during depositions about having her lawsuit funded by Hoffman. Evidence normally allowed to prove credibility. But since judge disallowed Hoffman to be brought up the proof of Carrol lying under deposition was disallowed during trial.

          3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

            No, I didn’t. I don’t care about his court case as much as you apparently do.

            I’m fortunate that you are sharing your knowledge with me. Thank you.

            1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

              No, I didn’t. I don’t care about his court case as much as you apparently do.

              If you don’t care, then why do you keep commenting about it? I would suggest that maybe you should try caring even LESS, if you feel the need to jump into the conversation.

              I'm not the one following Trump on TRUTH social, also. You're the one who's sharing Trump's comments which I wouldn't know about otherwise. I followed coverage of the trial itself, so I know he made one post during the trial that came up about the trial, and otherwise I have no idea what Trump said. But you're out there following his not-tweets because you care so little about this.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                Whatever, dude. I’m allowed to follow the case to whatever degree and in whatever manner I choose.

                1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago (edited)

                  Sure, you’re allowed to do that. You can do whatever you want. But you sure look like an idiot when you’re trying to play gotcha games, or argue with people who had serious issues about how the trial was conducted and the weakness of Carroll’s claims. You even asked me to tell you who was funding the trial when, if you had any interest, you could have googled, “Who funded E Jean Carroll’s Defamation trial” and gotten an answer almost immediately since it’s been very heavily discussed, and there were even court orders about the funding issue because the judge thought it was an inappropriate issue for the witness to be questioned on.

                  You’re completely allowed to look stupid for sharing your comments, of course. I’m merely recommending you either try to catch up and get informed on it, or stop caring enough to make comments so you look less stupid.

                  1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                    I don’t really give a shit if I look stupid in your judgement.

                    In school, I never cared about looking stupid and always asked a lot of questions, which is one of the reasons why I excelled academically.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      I don’t really give a shit if I look stupid in your judgement.

                      Stupid people rarely do.

                      In school, I never cared about looking stupid and always asked a lot of questions, which is one of the reasons why I excelled academically.

                      No one gives a shit if Ms. Krabappel gave you a gold star for cleaning the erasers for her, you Meridian Moron.

                    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                      Lol. I enjoyed this exchange.

            2. DesigNate   2 years ago

              If you don’t care, maybe stop giving people shit about their reactions?

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          Oh come now. It's Soros. It's always Soros.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Creepy, isn't he.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            Mike and Jeff revel in their ignorance intentionally.

            1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              It’s perfectly acceptable for rich donors to influence trials.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                I actually have no issue with privately funded suits. Thiel did it for Hogan. I have a problem with the information being disallowed based on the whims of a judge. Source of suits should also be valid for the defense, especially in a trial where the defense is clearly going to use political motivation of the accuser as a defense.

              2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                I'll say this: I think it's completely fair to ban that information coming up within the trial, since the source of funding for the lawsuit is unrelated to the truth of the underlying matter.

                But when people are now talking about the political fall-out of the verdict, it's likewise fair to question the political agenda behind the whole trial. The goal of people funding the lawsuit was to try to sway undecided voters that Trump is Really Bad.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  The goal of people funding the lawsuit was to try to sway undecided voters that Trump is Really Bad.

                  OR, the goal of people funding the lawsuit is to pursue justice for an aggrieved party.

                  It's always the same: Democrats = evil and bad intentions. Republicans = victims and good intentions

                  1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                    Peter Thiel got justice by funding Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker. That still doesn't change the fact that his entire motivation was to punish Gawker because he had a massive grudge against them, and he openly celebrated when they went bankrupt. He wasn't genuinely interested in seeing justice for Hulk Hogan.

                    I have zero problems saying that, even though Thiel claims he's libertarian and donated to Ron Paul's campaign 15 years ago.

                  2. Overt   2 years ago

                    It is hilarious how vehemently Chemjeff will argue that people with a (D) behind their name have motivations as pure as the driven snow, but if they have an (R) behind their name, they quite obviously are only interested in politics. If you read through his various posts, you can only conclude that he thinks roughly half of this country is people who mean well, if maybe sometimes they get things wrong, while the other half are machiavellian demagogues or their brain-addled dupes. It must be terrible living in such a simplistic world.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      In a recent roundtable podcast, the hosts were asked if they had to choose to live in a red state or a blue state which they would choose. Nick's answer (IIRC) was that he would choose a place that had red state policies but blue city culture. And that is basically my answer too. I currently live in a red state surrounded by Team Red culture. And it is depressing, quite frankly. Every event revolves either around (1) guns, (2) cheap beer, (3) church, (4) country music, (5) monster truck rallies, or sometimes all of the above. But the most frustrating part about it to me is that the overall worldview is very narrow. People who live here are from here, have lived here all their lives, will probably die here, and are absolutely content with all of that. They have zero desire to see anything beyond their very tiny part of the world. And I just find that whole mindset to be depressing.

                    2. Nobartium   2 years ago

                      That's because you believe that diversity isn't just a word, but a requirement of life.

                    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Culture leads to politics. Why do you want the culture that leads to politics you claim not to want?

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      But the most frustrating part about it to me is that the overall worldview is very narrow. People who live here are from here, have lived here all their lives, will probably die here, and are absolutely content with all of that. They have zero desire to see anything beyond their very tiny part of the world. And I just find that whole mindset to be depressing.

                      LOL--the most provincial, blinkered people I've ever met are cosmopolitans who never bothered living outside a major urban area their whole lives.

                      chemtard finds this all depressing because he despises the culture of low-scale, high-trust communities, but clearly doesn't hate it enough to not live there because he knows the very social conformity and ties to the community that he holds in contempt also provides him with a safe living environment. Sort of like Eric snarking about conservatives hating diversity, while living in one of the whitest whiteopian counties in the Denver metro area.

                      It just proves my thesis that cosmos love diversity as long as they don't have to live among it.

                  3. DesigNate   2 years ago

                    Strike that, reverse it for you and the other people that post here that feel the need to whatabout and both sides whenever a post or comment attacks the Democrats.

                2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

                  It is also fair to criticize the disallowal as part of the evidence of bias in the case by the judge. By itself it's not much but part of a consistent pattern it has meaning for discussion of the case if not the actual verdict.

                  1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                    If the judge really got the law wrong, Trump's appeal will be successful.

                    But the people "criticising" the judge generally have no idea what the law is--all they care about is that the judge's ruling was "unfair".

                    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                      Not necessarily: Appellate justices can be biased, too. And they can also be wrong. That's why there's multiple levels of appellate courts also.

                      FWIW, I agree with the judge on the funding issue. I have a lot of other issues with the judge, including interrupting the defense lawyer to answer a question on behalf of the plaintiff and bolster her credibility.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Carroll lied in her deposition regarding funding of the suit. It goes to credibility. The defense was not allowed to present this credibility issue.

                    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      “Not necessarily: Appellate justices can be biased, too. And they can also be wrong. That’s why there’s multiple levels of appellate courts also.”

                      So, your long-winded way of saying you agree with Obviously’s comment.

      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        Oh my, they must be slightly worried about this one. Leftists swarming this post to chaff and redirect...

        https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1656296508248182798?t=MGHvmChBR_eE_kgF-LedlQ&s=19

        The Russia hoax was a nothingburger. The Ukraine whistleblower impeachment was a sham. The Trump impeachment over J6 was a fraudulently run show trial. The FBI raid over classified docs was a hypocritical partisan witch hunt. The Trump criminal indictment is a politically motivated travesty. The civil suit verdict making Trump liable for battery and defamation, but not rape, is a sick joke.

        This Biden family scandal blows all of that out of the water.

        There are bank records. A verified laptop full of criminally damning information. Multiple whistleblowers.

        Enough is enough. This is high treason.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Joke? Some Twitter nobody ranting about "Da Biden Crime Syndicate" on almost the same day of Trump's humiliating loss in civil court--the one in which a jury found that he had sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll (but not actually raped her) and then defamed her for telling the truth about it?

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll finds two-thirds of those surveyed support keeping the abortion drug mifepristone legal.

    Venn diagram that with the vaxed. BOOM, ya just been fis- er, I mean, ya just been FoE'd.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      OK

  13. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

    Remember when we were told that a politician’s sex life was a private matter that was irrelevant to his performance in office when Bill Clinton was accused of sexual harassment and forcing himself on unwilling women?

    This is the world the Left wanted. They should celebrate their victory.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      From http://www.gluckman.com/harry/clintontestimony.htm , see this:
      Clinton's Testimony according to Dr. Seuss
      I did not do it in a car
      I did not do it in a bar
      I did not do it in the dark
      I did not do it in the park
      I did not do it on a date
      I did not ever fornicate
      I did not do it at a dance
      I did not do it in her pants
      I did not get beyond first base
      I did not do it in her face
      I never did it in a bed
      If you think that, you've been misled
      I did not do it with a groan
      I did not do it on the phone
      I did not cause her dress to stain
      I never boinked Saddam Hussein
      I did not do it with a whip
      I never fondled Linda Tripp
      I never acted really silly
      With volunteers like Kathleen Willey
      There was one time, with Margaret Thatcher
      I chased her 'round, but could not catch her
      No kinky stuff, not on your life
      I wouldn't, even with my wife
      And Gennifer Flowers' tale of woes
      Was paid for by my right-wing foes
      And Paula Jones, and those State Troopers
      Are just a bunch of party poopers
      I did not ask my friends to lie
      I did not hang them out to dry
      I did not do it last November
      But if I did, I don't remember
      I did not do it in the hall
      I could have, but I don't recall
      I never did it in my study
      I never did it with my dog, Buddy
      I never did it to Sox, the cat
      I might have-once-with Arafat
      I never did it in a hurry
      I never groped Betty Currie
      There was no sex at Arlington
      There was no sex on Air Force One
      I might have copped a little feel
      And then endeavored to conceal
      But never did these things so lewd
      At least, not ever in the nude
      These things to which I have confessed
      They do not count, if we stayed dressed
      It never happened with cigar
      I never dated Mrs. Starr
      I did not know this little sin
      Would be retold on CNN
      I broke some rules my Mama taught me
      I tried to hide, but now you've caught me
      But I implore, I do beseech
      Do not condemn, do not impeach
      I might have got a little tail
      But never, never did inhale

      There was a computer animation of Bill Clinton as Cat-in-the-Hat, reciting the above poetry. I have a copy, but it won’t play any more (Op. Syses upgrades), and I can’t find it on You-Tube, or anywhere else…

      BONUS points for anyone who can find ANY kind of video link to the above poetry slam!!!

    2. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      Clinton was on Epstein's jet 20+ times and invited him to his daughter's wedding. Clinton was a client. Feminist avenger Hillary didn't care.

      1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

        It's OK to abuse women, ass long ass your policies towards women are GOOD!

        I'm not sure, butt I suspect that it's also OK to murder people, so ass long ass your policies towards murder victims & their loved ones are GOOD!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Well at least you're finally admitting your biases here, Shillsy.

        2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

          ""It’s OK to abuse women, ass long ass your policies towards women are GOOD!""

          I guess. That's why Biden is able to get away with it.

          1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

            Is denying that there is an objective category called "women" good for women?

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

              Personally no, but I've decided to let women decide.

              Same thing with trans in women's sports. Women can make the fight or not.

    3. Nardz   2 years ago

      They should be made into corpses.
      Nothing else works.
      It's them or you.

  14. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    Lion Hall Group LLC; Owasco P.C.; Robinson Walker, LLC; Skaneateles, LLC; CEFC Infrastructure Investment LLC; Rosemont Seneca Partners, Hudson West

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      The House Oversight and Accountability Committee says the Biden family and its business associates created more than 20 companies and received more than $10 million from foreign nationals while Joe Biden served as vice president, and that some of these payments could indicate attempts by the Biden family to "peddle influence."

      Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., released a memo ahead of his press conference Wednesday that includes new information from his investigation into the Biden family’s "influence peddling and business schemes." The memo said the Biden family appeared to take steps to "conceal the source and total amount received from the foreign companies."

      The committee has subpoenaed four different banks as part of its probe and received "thousands of records in response." Those subpoenas were "tailored to specific individuals and companies that engaged in business activities with Biden family members and their business associates," the memo said.

      It said Biden family members and business associates "created a web of over 20 companies — most were limited liability companies formed during Joe Biden’s vice presidency."

      The committee said those companies were formed mostly in Delaware and Washington, D.C., with the help of Hunter Biden’s business partners Rob Walker and James Gilliar.

      "After assuming the vice presidency in 2009, records reveal Hunter Biden and his business associates formed at least 15 companies," the memo said. Those companies include Lion Hall Group LLC; Owasco P.C.; Robinson Walker, LLC; Skaneateles, LLC; Seneca Global Advisors, LLC; Rosemont Seneca Partners, LLC; Rosemont Seneca Principal Investments LLC; Rosemont Seneca Bohai, LLC; Hudson West III, LLC; Hudson West V, LLC; CEFC Infrastructure Investment (US) and others.

      "Bank records show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ companies," the memo said, adding that the committee identified payments to Biden family members from foreign companies "while Joe Biden served as Vice President and after he left public office."
      "[T]he Biden family used business associates’ companies to receive millions of dollars from foreign companies," the memo said, adding that the Biden family "received incremental payments over time to different bank accounts."

      "In some instances, Biden associates would receive significant deposits from foreign sources into their bank accounts and then transfer smaller, incremental payments to Biden bank accounts," the memo said. "These complicated and seemingly unnecessary financial transactions appear to be a concerted effort to conceal the source and total amount received from the foreign companies."

      It said Chinese nationals and companies "with significant ties to Chinese intelligence and the Chinese Communist Party hid the source of the funds by layering domestic limited liability companies."

      The committee says it is investigating "the opaque corporate structure of particular Biden-affiliated companies, those companies’ complicated connections with each other, whether these companies maintained books and records, and why certain foreign nationals sought to partner with and engage in businesses with specific Biden family members and their companies."

      It said it already sees signs that the Biden family may have collected money from foreign nationals trying to influence U.S. policy. For example, the committee said it discovered that Hunter Biden, through his associate Rob Walker, received more than $1 million from a foreign company reportedly controlled by Gabriel Popoviciu, the subject of a criminal probe and prosecution for corruption in Romania. Then-Vice President Biden met with Romanian leaders in 2014 and 2015 "regarding corruption in the country."

      "The committee is concerned about the Biden family’s pattern of courting business in regions of the world in which the then Vice President had an outsize role and influenced U.S. policy," the memo said. "The Biden family and associates’ activities in Romania bear clear indica of a scheme to peddle influence from 2015-2017."

      The committee said it found that in addition to Hunter Biden, James Gilliar and Rob Walker receiving foreign funds, James Biden, Hallie Biden and "other Bidens" also received "foreign payments."

      The memo included a breakdown of the transactions from Chinese and Romanian nationals and companies.

      Specifically, with regard to China, the memo points to two people —Ye Jianming and Gongwen Dong – and warned that particular Chinese business venture posed "potential threats to American national security." Both people were connected to Hunter Biden’s joint-venture with Chinese energy company CEFC.

      The memo said Ye had "close ties to the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party and was reportedly deputy secretary-general for an international outreach arm of the People’s Liberation Army." Ye was later detained by the CCP in 2018.

      "The Bidens received millions of dollars from their Chinese partnership," the memo said. "When Ye was detained by the Chinese, Hunter Biden then attempted to distance himself from the relationship by claiming he had never been paid by CEFC. This was false."

      The memo said Hunter’s company, Hudson West V, received a $24 million wire from Ye. CEFC later wired $100,000 to Hunter’s Owasco, P.C.

      Fox News Digital first reported in 2020 that Hunter Biden had requested that keys be made for his new "office mates," listing his father, Jill Biden and his uncle, Jim Biden, for space he planned to share with Gongwen.

      "The Biden family and associates’ activities in coordination with Chinese nationals and their corporate entities appear to be an attempt to engage in financial deception," the memo said, adding that "multiple Biden family members received money from the Chinese after it passed through the Robinson Walker, LLC account."

      "Additionally, Hunter Biden received money directly into his company’s account from a Chinese-controlled entity," the memo adds.

      "The Committee will continue to engage in the accommodations process with those who have not cooperated with our investigation," the memo said. "The Committee plans to gather additional bank records in the near future and continue following the money trail."

      1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

        Local story. Old news. Russian disinformation.

        1. Trollificus   2 years ago

          Also racism.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        NO! LOOK OVER THERE! ALVIN BRAGG (who else?) JUST HAD A NY JURY FIND TRUMP GUILTY OF MAYBE NOT ALMOST RAPE!

        Soros is certainly getting his money's worth. Extra crispy lawfare AND a distraction from Joe's escapades.

      3. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        So, if I went into bank records and found any transfers, I could assume that there was some criminal activity? These are a lot of accusations can Comer actually turn these into charges?

        But it was good timing to give Fox News something to cover rather than the Carroll Trump trial or George Santos.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Let's see.

          Sitting president might have peddled influence to foreign companies and governments.
          Past president might have acted like an ogre to a woman.
          Nut job in Congress made up his resume.

          Which one actually matters to national and international affairs?

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            How do you expect M4e to know if you don't stick (D) and (R) behind your examples?

            1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

              Yes, because we have examples of former President Trump
              peddling influence to foreign companies and governments, yet I am guessing this was directed at President Biden.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                "because we have examples of former President Trump
                peddling influence to foreign companies and governments"

                Great, then you should be able to cite one of those "examples" of him peddling influence.
                Just one.
                You don't even have to give us a link.

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  Someone from a foreign country stayed at one of his hotels I bet.

                2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                  I think the standard is "anyone in Trump's family", if I've interpreted Comer's memo correctly.

              2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

                What examples?

              3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                What president doesn't peddle influence to foreign governments?
                Look at the influence we are peddling in Ukraine.

              4. DesigNate   2 years ago

                Hahahahahaha

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          Yes, current presidential corruption is not as important as a civil trial and a rando member of the House.

          How moderate.

          1. rbike   2 years ago

            I looked at my PC news feed this morning. The only MSM reporting on this said Republicans were struggling to find evidence. Certainly no MSM reporter could find any evidence. The only thing they are good for is sticking their head in the sand about Biden.

      4. Sevo   2 years ago

        "...Then-Vice President Biden met with Romanian leaders in 2014 and 2015 “regarding corruption in the country.”..."

        They didn't have enough, so he donated some from his vast holdings.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          “Now guys, listen, this is how it’s done”.

      5. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        “Bank records show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ companies,” the memo said, adding that the committee identified payments to Biden family members from foreign companies “while Joe Biden served as Vice President and after he left public office.”

        Now do Trump and Trump Hotels, ca. 2016-2020.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Totally the same.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/02/trump-hotel-empty-rooms-016763

            House investigators are looking into an allegation that groups — including at least one foreign government — tried to ingratiate themselves to President Donald Trump by booking rooms at his hotels but never staying in them.

            The investigation began after the committee received information that two entities — a trade association and a foreign government — booked a large quantity of rooms but used only a fraction of them, according to a person familiar with the allegation who isn’t authorized to speak for the committee.

            Pay-to-play? Influence peddling? You tell me!

            1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              This.
              Also, the article is 4 years old.
              Jeffy is using old stories to push narratives on a bad news day for Biden and Team Blue generally.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                ha ha, you think this is some clever gotcha?
                It's actually germane and relevant to the discussion of TODAY, which is the Comer news conference.

                Unlike Ra's comment which came out of nowhere, has negligible relevance with today's news, and was clearly just an attempt to deflect discussion away from the bad news cycle for Team Red.

                Because he, and most of you generally, are little more than Team Red shills.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Yeah, too bad it doesn't prove the point you're trying to make in any way whatsoever.

                2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

                  So, these 15 LLCs were in business doing something, and foreigners just put money into them thru an online public booking system?
                  And then Eric Trump transferred money out of Trump Hotels bank accounts into everyone in the family’s personal bank accounts

                3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

                  This is the most ludicrously and laughably ironic and self-unaware charge ever made on this board, and that is saying a whole lot

                4. DesigNate   2 years ago

                  Yeah, you NEVER try to deflect from news that makes the Democrats look bad. *Massive fucking eyeroll*

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    I do? When was the last time I did that?

                    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                      Scroll up to where you said “Now do Trump Hotels 2016-2020.”

                      You’re doing it all the time, including in this very thread.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                It wouldn't be a chemtard radical deathfat post if he wasn't simping for his lefty boos.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  Oh look, another Trump dead-ender.

                  1. DesigNate   2 years ago

                    Totally not a collectivist…

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                    Thanks for conceding the point, you fat useless paramecium.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              adding that the committee identified payments to Biden family members from foreign companies “while Joe Biden served as Vice President and after he left public office.”

              are looking into an allegation that groups — including at least one foreign government — tried to ingratiate themselves to President Donald Trump by booking rooms at his hotels but never staying in them.

              "OMAIGERD TOTALLY THE SAME THING YOU GAIZ!"

              If you're going to make a comparison, you stupid fat fuckhead, at least make sure they really are equivalent.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Both of those sure sound like pay-to-play to me.

                Let me guess, the Biden one is worse because Biden?

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  How did joe Biden get rich on a government salary?

                  1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                    You could look at his tax returns. Too hard?

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Millions through a corporation that don't match estimated earnings? All the bills hunter paid through co mingled accounts?

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Let me guess, the Biden one is worse because Biden?

                  One of them actually happened, one of them is fan fiction. No doubt that's why you're desperately deflecting here.

            3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

              I don't shoot the messenger often. But I would like to point out that Politico was one of the outlets that wrongfully claimed 51 intel agents said the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation.

              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/clapper-blames-politico-distortion-baselessly-claiming-russian-involvement-hunter-biden

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Trump had international hotels prior to 2016 and lost money as president.

          What foreign work did any of the Bidens have prior to 2008?

          Why do you claim not to be a leftist?

        3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

          What services did Biden's LLCs provide?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Considering the two aren't actually equivalent, there's no need to move a damn thing.

            2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

              Trump hotels rented rooms to guests. And we’re an ongoing successful business for decades prior to Trump running for office.
              What services did these 15 shell companies provide?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Once again: moving the goalposts.

                Was there influence peddling by foreign nationals using Trump properties while he was president?

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Was there influence peddling by foreign nationals using Trump properties while he was president?

                  chemtard radical deathfat belches out "moving the goalposts" while engaging in demanding that someone prove a negative.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    I'm not demanding anyone prove a negative.

                    By the way, how many progressives have you murdered today?

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

                      I’m not demanding anyone prove a negative.

                      Was there influence peddling by foreign nationals using Trump properties while he was president?

                      All that fat is plaquing up your short-term memory, along with your arteries.

                      By the way, how many progressives have you murdered today?

                      Why, are you taking a number?

                2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                  Was there influence peddling by foreign nationals using Trump properties while he was president?

                  No, there was not. It was investigated by Muller and Congress and nothing was found. Despite constant cries of EmOlUmEnTs!!!

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    The emoluments claims were not investigated by Mueller. Republicans blocked, and Trump ignored, Congressional subpoenas on the matter. Two lawsuits were filed but were then dismissed by SCOTUS in 2021 because the issue was moot. So the issue was never resolved on the merits.

                    So you're incorrect here. Why are you deflecting on behalf of Trump?

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Now thats moving the goalposts.

            3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              Biden's LLC coruption drops and jeffy shows up to deflect with But Trump whataboutism and claims people are moving the goalpost getting back on topic. Never change, you belong on team dumbass.

        4. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago (edited)

          What in the hell is that supposed to mean? Now do hotels? Whatabout them? Are you saying Trump built hotels while POTUS specifically to launder tens of millions of dollars from foreigners?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

            Here, let me lay it out for you:

            “Bank records show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ companies,”

            How much money did the Trump Organization receive from foreign nationals’ companies via his hotels or other companies that he ran, while he was president?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Something that actually happened:

              “Bank records show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ companies, while Joe Biden served as Vice President and after he left public office.”

              What chemtard wishes happened:

              “Bank records show the Trump family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ companies, while Donald Trump served as President and after he left public office.”

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                Actually, I don’t wish either one of those happened. But the fact that you are so fixated on Biden’s alleged corruption but totally ignoring or handwaving away Trump’s alleged corruption speaks volumes. Totally not Biden Derangement, nope nope

                1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago (edited)

                  Lol. It’s corrupt to build hotels decades before you run for office. It’s corrupt to allow foreign travelers to stay at hotels

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Look who's intentionally missing the point.

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      You seem to be only one doing so.

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Actually, I don’t wish either one of those happened

                  One of them did, one of them didn't. Talk about missing the point just to defend your lefty boos.

            2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              He did not run any compaines while president.

              https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/president-trump-resigns-businesses-leaves-sons-cfo-charge-n711156

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                And Rep. Comer isn't claiming that Joe Biden himself ran any of those 15 companies while he was VP. His allegation is that his family (Hunter) ran those companies while keeping his dad "in the know" as a corrupt influence-peddling scheme.

                So, did Eric Trump keep dad "in the know" about the business operations while dad was president? Hmm?

                1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                  Trump Organization receive from foreign nationals’ companies via his hotels or other companies that he ran, while he was president?

                  Can't even keep your own talking points striaght. For refrence, this is an actual moving of the goal post from "Trump ran the companies while POTUS" to "but he was still in the loop even thought somebody else technically ran them."

            3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

              He didn’t receive any. Trump does not dip into the operating accounts of his hotels, you buffoonish imbecile.
              Are you suggesting only US Citizens can stay at international hotels? Are you so callow you think this is in any way analogous to setting up 15-20 shell companies which transfer money into personal family bank accounts?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                He didn’t receive any. Trump does not dip into the operating accounts of his hotels,

                How are you so certain of any of this? Are you Eric Trump?

                Are you suggesting only US Citizens can stay at international hotels? Are you so callow you think this is in any way analogous to setting up 15-20 shell companies which transfer money into personal family bank accounts?

                I am aptly demonstrating that your concern about corruption only extends in one direction.

                You have not seen me in any of my comments here in this discussion try to defend Biden or any of his activities or behavior.

                You and your pals, on the other hand, HAVE rushed to the defense of Trump and tried to profess his innocence even though you have no real idea if he is innocent or not.

                You and your pals are the ones acting like partisan imbeciles, not me.

  15. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Carrol: trump raped me
    Trump: I did not she is a liar
    Jury: trump didn't rape her *sexual battery*
    Also jury: trump owes 5M defamation despite us agreeing he didnt rape her.

    Makes no sense. Liberal jury means trump was always guilty.

    Some of Carroll prior statements:

    Even Carroll acknowledged the peculiarity of such unexpected desolation, writing, “99 percent of the time, you will have an attendant in Bergdorf’s. All I can say is I did not, in this fleeting episode, see an attendant.” As for how the pair ended up in a fitting room without assistance: “And the other odd thing is that a dressing-room door was open. In Bergdorf’s dressing rooms, doors are usually locked until a client wants to try something on.”
    .
    She flatly said no, and when asked why, she said, “I would find it disrespectful to the women who are down on the border who are being raped around the clock down there without any protection … It would just be really disrespectful.”
    .
    In an interview with The New York Times, “It was an episode. It was an action. It was a fight. It was not a crime. It was, I had a struggle with a guy.” She added in the same interview, “I am not — I have not been raped. Something has not been done to me. I fought. That’s the thing.”

    Yet Liberal jury.

    https://thefederalist.com/2023/05/09/e-jean-carrolls-original-claims-about-trump-were-absurd-but-that-didnt-stop-the-media-from-amplifying-them/

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      …. who are being raped around the clock down there without any protection

      Sounds totally credible.

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      Counter sue every fucking juror in a fl court

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Great plan.

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      From what I could glean Trump's interview about bragging in general about what starstruck women would let him do was taken as a confession that he groped this person in this specific instance. Also, it is apparently custom to regard a defendent not testifying in person in a civil case is considered as good as an admission of guilt, which is completely the reverse of a criminal case.

      1. Super Scary   2 years ago

        "From what I could glean Trump’s interview about bragging in general about what starstruck women would let him do"

        Ever since Trump said that it's like the entire world forgot about the concept of gold-digging whores.

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Or just starstruck normal people who would let a celebrity get away with things your average person wouldn’t.

        2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          "Well, historically, that's true with stars. If you look over the last million years, I guess that's been largely true ... Unfortunately or fortunately."

          Legend.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.) opposes a proposal by his Republican colleagues that would require employers to verify workers' citizenship status using E-Verify.

    Of course the GOP sees no problem drafting the engines of our economy as forced federal immigration agents.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      They are already forced tax collection agents, what’s one more thing?

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Jordan Neely wasn't killed by "the system," Reason's Billy Binion writes.

    He was lynched by systemic white supremacy.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Cultural drug induced delirium assaults must be allowed.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Pretty sure he was choked to death.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        The NYC medical examiner was sure enough to claim that was the cause of death.

  18. JesseAz   2 years ago

    A look at the trend in media to begin pushing racial marxist terms leading the new waive of racial strife.

    https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1655690329092403200

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Dude even got a shout-out from Tesla Man Bad himself.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Elon's been doing very well with these little one liners and questions on information the leftists would really rather ignore.
        I think I saw someone call it "normie pilling"

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hey, those riots, er, mostly peaceful protests, shop lootings, and government building burnings will not start themselves.

      Also, the FBI needs time to groom informants.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...Tucker Carlson will continue his show on Twitter.

    What do we even need Truth Social for anymore.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      It’s a place where Trump can really let his hair down.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Still butt hurt they didn’t want to let you in?

    2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      The cool kids are at mastodon.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        I can assure you it is not so. Mastodon is a boring place.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          If you are there, it must be.

  20. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    It’s different when we do it.

    Russia bans media outlet that published Vladimir Putin scoops
    The Kremlin’s war on independent journalism in Russia has escalated after investigative media outlet banned in an act of revenge for a series of deeply embarrassing revelations about Vladimir Putin

    What a horrible, fascist tyrant. Shame! Shame!

    White House bans The Post from Biden event as Hunter indictment looms
    The White House barred The Post from attending President Biden’s only daytime public event Monday as federal prosecutors near a decision on criminally charging first son Hunter Biden for tax fraud and other crimes.

    lol, serves you hacks right, you guys aren’t real journalists.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hey, which policy (and country) made it safer for democracy?

    2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      You left out Ukraine banning all media that isn't ran by the gov

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      As crummy and scummy as The Big Guy and Hunter are, the worse thing that happened to The New York Post was a little senior snit-fit of not inviting them to the Jello Pudding-and-Boost party and the Hoveround Hoe-Down.

      Unlike with Putin’s opponents, there were no threats of fines or gulags.

      Bogus moral equivalence anyone?

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        What was said when Jim Acosta’s credentials were temporarily suspended after he grabbed the mic from a WH comm staff girl and hijacked a press conference? It was Nazi Germany

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "a little senior snit-fit of not inviting them"

        It wasn't just a matter of not inviting them, but barring them from attending a public event.
        That's a big deal, barring America's oldest newspaper because it didn't participate in an CIA and FBI coverup aimed at influencing the last election.

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          I’m sure Jeff or Mike will be by shortly to scoff at this mistreatment of the media, just as they did under Trump.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Not saying it's a good thing when the Oval Office blocks any member of the Press Corps from attending an event, of course.

          But at the same time, it wasn't the same as fining the paper, sending editors and journalists to the Gulag, or them ending up out a window or poisoned by an umbrella tip. Putin's Russia is the definite worst of the possible worlds for free and critical media.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Russia has been an authoritarian dictatorship since the days of the Golden Horde. America was a constitutional republic since 1789.
            What Putin does is neither remarkable or exceptional in a Russian context, what Biden is doing is exceptional and frightening in an American one.

    4. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      You didn't notice that Biden had "banned" the Post from attending one particular event, but that Putin had made the entire company illegal?

      (And, of course, "banned" is a rather drama-queen way of putting it: “We are unable to accommodate your credential request to attend the Investing in Airline Accountability Remarks on 5/8. The remarks will be live-streamed and can be viewed at WH.gov. Thank you for understanding. We will let you know if a credential becomes available.”)

  21. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The Allen, Texas, massacre underlines the false promise of so-called "universal background checks."

    It's almost as if universal background checks aren't about what they are claimed to be about.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Universal registry of every gun owner makes it a lot easier to seize all the guns, just ask the australians.

  22. JesseAz   2 years ago

    The activities of the Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) were not known to the parents and those who headed the club's meetings actively encouraged students to keep talks about polyamory, puberty blockers, transgenderism, gender identity, sexuality, suicide, and name and pronoun changes a secret from their parents.
    .
    Teachers also invited substitute teacher Kimberly Chambers, who is the executive director of the Supporting Pride Learning and Social Happenings (SPLASH) organization that 'seeks to educate school aged children on topics of sexuality and gender identity,' to talk at one of the GSA meetings, which Lee's sixth-grade daughter attended, according to the lawsuit.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12059347/Parents-suing-LGBTQ-club-claims-regarding-teachers-daughters.html

    1. Super Scary   2 years ago (edited)

      “Supporting Pride Learning and Social Happenings (SPLASH) ”

      2/10. It would be higher if they had anything to do with water or swimming.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        These acronyms are never unflattering.

        It’s not like we have the “Education About Transexual Students’ Health & Identity Trust,” AKA EATSHIT.

  23. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Revelation of active active CIA employees seeking to get signers to laptop letter.

    https://thefederalist.com/2023/05/09/cia-solicited-signatures-for-hunter-biden-laptop-letter-congressional-testimony-shows/

  24. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

    You’re killing grandma!

    “Cytokine Storm” Debunked: Scientists at Northwestern University Find the True Killer of COVID-19 Patients

    “The investigators found nearly half of patients with COVID-19 develop a secondary ventilator-associated bacterial pneumonia.
    “Those who were cured of their secondary pneumonia were likely to live, while those whose pneumonia did not resolve were more likely to die,” Singer said. “Our data suggested that the mortality related to the virus itself is relatively low, but other things that happen during the ICU stay, like secondary bacterial pneumonia, offset that.”

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      In other news: "Fauci linked to secret lab working on gain of function research on bacteria from raccoon dogs"

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      “The investigators found nearly half of patients with COVID-19 develop a secondary ventilator-associated bacterial pneumonia.

      I said this very thing WAY back when death counts were supposedly spiking from variant changes--that what was actually driving the death counts was hospitals being so understaffed from stupidly laying off their workers early in the pandemic, that when people came into the hospital for treatment they'd simply shove a vent down the person's throat and inadvertently (or maybe even deliberately, considering the nurses who posted bullshit stories about patients supposedly begging for the Clot Shot) kill them as a result of bacterial infections from sepsis.

      There's a few stories out there from patients who talked about how the hospital staff would harangue them to be put on a vent; one wonders how many lives actually could have been saved if these hospitals weren't so fucking intent, and the medical staff so fucking malicious, that it would do something that was killing people just to get a few extra pieces of silver from Uncle Sugar.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

        Initially, I noticed this shit was happening so often that my wife and I flat-out told each other that if we did end up in the hospital with COVID, that we would not consent to being put on a vent under any circumstances.

        When it got really serious later in the pandemic and it came out that hospital staff were brow-beating patients into being put on vents, I decided then and there to take my chances and not go to the hospital regardless of how sick I might get, because I didn’t trust that they wouldn’t put me under while I was sleeping and do it anyway. I figured that if I did die from the coof, I'd rather do it at home, fully aware and with my family nearby, than being isolated in a hospital ward and used as another bullshit "death from COVID" stat.

        One wonders how many “unvaxxed” COVID deaths were actually the result of hospitals killing their patients by shoving a vent down their throat.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Sepsis from vents was called out in these comments very early on as a major contribution of covid death numbers.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        As soon as I saw stats like 80% mortality for patients put on ventilators I knew they were doing it to juice the death figures.
        It was straight up murder.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

          Yeah, this is why I argued that the death counts in the US were cooked more than one of Trump’s steaks. I’d wager that a big reason a lot of the death counts in other countries were relatively low compared to ours was because the government wasn’t paying bounties to hospitals for COVID deaths, and the hospitals weren’t trying to shove every COVID patient on a vent like ours were.

          A lot of these hospitals were also running bullshit lines to the media during these periods claiming that they were "running out of emergency bed space" when that wasn't actually the case.

        2. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

          What is the death rate for COVID patients that refused ventilators that the medical team deemed necessary? I saw one article that claimed close to 100%.

          I don't know. I'll take both of those odds with a grain of salt. But the question is are they saving more lives than they're killing, or not?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            The issue is that the vent shouldn't even be an option. Hospitals default to them as SOP whenever a patient has difficulty breathing, but the issue with COVID is that it degraded the effectiveness of the lungs processing oxygen; the problem was the function, not the actual amount of available oxygen.

            Simply shoving a constant stream of oxygen into someone's lungs, which is all a ventilator does, isn't really going to do shit for them if the lungs' function is fundamentally degraded. It's like flooding a plant that can't actually soak up water because the roots are dead--you can put an acre foot of water on that bitch, it ain't going to get what it needs. And the data are pretty clear that ventilator-induced pnuemonia was leading to a lot of these deaths during this period, not COVID itself. In fact, the pnuemonia probably exacerbated the functional degradation, because it filled the patient's lungs with fluid, further preventing oxygen processing from taking place, and then killed them when the infection set in if the hospital didn't provide them with enough antibiotics.

            1. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago

              Simply shoving a constant stream of oxygen into someone’s lungs, which is all a ventilator does, isn’t really going to do shit for them if the lungs’ function is fundamentally degraded. It’s like flooding a plant that can’t actually soak up water because the roots are dead

              What about the case of someone with reduced (say 20%) lung function? Are they not better off with oxygen rich air?

              And the data are pretty clear that ventilator-induced pnuemonia was leading to a lot of these deaths during this period, not COVID itself.

              Agreed, but what is the counter factual? How many of the living, would be dead, and how many of the dead would be living if there were no ventilators? Would that death rate be better, or worse? The medical community clearly claims better, but I sympathize with the doubt in their figures you expressed below.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                What about the case of someone with reduced (say 20%) lung function? Are they not better off with oxygen rich air?

                It doesn't really matter if the lungs can't process the oxygen, especially if they're loaded with clots. That was one of the things the cropped up in more severe COVID cases.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                Agreed, but what is the counter factual? How many of the living, would be dead, and how many of the dead would be living if there were no ventilators?

                I'm not saying that there shouldn't have been ventilators available, I'm saying that the default action of hospitals to try and put as many COVID patient on a vent as they could ended up killing a lot of people that were counted as COVID deaths instead. Whether it was due to deliberate malicious malpractice or simply an overwhelmed staff due to early pandemic layoffs, the result was ultimately the same. And the data as linked above is backing me up on that statement.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            What is the death rate for COVID patients that refused ventilators that the medical team deemed necessary? I saw one article that claimed close to 100%.

            I don't know what this is personally, but I have no confidence in reports from hospitals with a financial incentive to accurately provide the figures. These are the same hospitals that fluffed death counts on people who died from alternate causes but happened to have COVID in their system at the time.

  25. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    Biden invoking the 14th Amendment to avoid negotiating with the Congress over the budget is legal sophistry of a piece with Trump's lawyers arguing that the Vice President has the authority to unilaterally void a presidential election, and undermines our constitutional order in a similar fashion.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Now now, you did a whataboutism where you compared both a Democrat and a Republican as equally bad. You can't do that. Everyone knows that the Democrat is monstrously evil, but the Republican is well-meaning but just misguided. They are not comparable at all. AT ALL, I tell you! You must be a leftist!

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Look at you working hard trying to change the subject.

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        Not.
        A.
        Leftist.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

          The mocking stings a little, doesn't it? Because that's you.
          Democrats = evil monsters
          Republicans = well meaning but misguided

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Not a leftist.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              Words you'll never hear about chemjeff: "My, what a good point chemjeff made"

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                chemjeff sometimes makes a good point or two.

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

                  About as often as you do.

                  Words you’ll never hear about Laursen: “My, what a good point White Mike made”

                  1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                    I suspect his head is fairly pointy.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                Words you'll never hear about damikesc: "Boy, he really presented an even-handed rational argument that fairly discussed all sides of an issue."

                1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Look at Jeff pretending he's "fair" despite a posting history known to everyone.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Don't even need to cite examples as this thread is full of dishonesty from Jeff.

                2. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Never claimed I did.

                  You claim you're not a leftist.

                  Yet you are one. Reliably so.

              3. DesigNate   2 years ago

                That’s not fair. It may be very few and far between, but every once in a while there’s a nugget.

              4. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                You’d think for all the practice he gets gaslighting people, he’d be a bit better at it by now.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Cite an example of chemjeff’s gaslighting please.

          2. damikesc   2 years ago

            Not.
            A.
            Leftist.

      3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago (edited)

        The current President routinely tries to ignore limits on his office’s authority. It is not cute, not well-meaning hijinks, it is a threat to federalism and the division of powers and individual rights, because he is peeved the other party controls the House and has other ideas about the budget.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Yes, he's a terrible president.

          But he's only there because his opponent was Trump.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Trump vote for him?

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I predict Biden won’t go for it, simply because there’s no chance of it getting by the Supreme Court.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        He did the eviction moratorium knowing it wouldn't pass, either.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          True.

          Anyway, the good news is the 14th Amendment ploy would never get by the Supreme Court.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            Cite?

          2. damikesc   2 years ago

            That it might need to be judged by them is problem enough.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Hey, sorry for trying to keep a sense of perspective about the whole matter.

              1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                You don’t think it’s outrageous that this idiotic idea is being considered?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Like he openly has multiple times talking about how slow the court system is even when he knows something is unconstitutional?

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

      That’s totally fair.

      And if you notice jeff, nobody called Mickey names or really disagreed with him. Maybe take a step back and analyze why that might be.

  26. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    > After being fired from Fox News, Tucker Carlson will continue his show on Twitter.

    Wait... Twitter is not a video medium. What's he going to do, tweet out links to video segments and call it a "show"? Makes no sense. Maybe he can go join with Nunes and make that Troofy Social hole even deeper.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Musk has been working on long format video for Twitter dummy.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        About longer videos for Twitter Blue subscribers

        Subscribers can upload videos up to 60 minutes long (1080p) on twitter.com...
        If you aren’t a Twitter Blue subscriber, you can still upload videos up to 140 seconds long...

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Yeah, Elon's been wanting to do that specifically to try and poach people from YouTube (I thought I heard that Rumble offered Carlson $100 million, but he decided not to take it). He can give guys like Tucker sweetheart deals because he knows there will be a huge built-in audience already in place that will drive site engagement.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Apparently he and Tucker don't have any deal. Tucker just signed up for the exact same revenue sharing subscriber agreement as everyone else.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Really? I thought I heard that Elon gave him a deal where Tucker could keep all the generated revenue for a year, and then would take 10% thereafter. YouTube takes 45%.

              Tucker probably figured he could make a lot more that way than the $100 million that Rumble was offering him.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                I thought I heard that Elon gave him a deal where Tucker could keep all the generated revenue for a year, and then (Twitter) would take 10% thereafter.

                That's the deal everyone gets. It's not Tucker exclusive.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                  Well, that's interesting. I figured everyone simply got a lower percentage taken off than YouTube, not a free-for-a-year deal.

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    It's a matter of encouraging content producers to swap I think.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      It’s just a small matter of programming to make it possible.

      I noticed yesterday that blue checks seem to be able to post tweets that far exceed Twitter’s character limits for non-blue checks.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        What an amazing discovery.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Mike's always fashionably late with his observations.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            If the prissy fuck didn't mute 7/8 of the commentariat, he probably wouldn't be 2 weeks behind on everything.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Wait… Twitter is not a video medium. What’s he going to do, tweet out links to video segments and call it a “show”? Makes no sense. Maybe he can go join with Nunes and make that Troofy Social hole even deeper.

      yeah you're probably right, youve totally out thought him on this.

  27. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    1. Defund the police.
    2. Release criminals.
    3. Threaten your political opponents with mob violence.
    4. Make even unarmed self defense illegal.
    5. Ban guns.

    Nope, no ulterior motives here.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Bolshevik playbook, chapter 1

      It's only going to get worse, friends.

  28. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Ministry of truth is back. New name, same purpose.

    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/disinfo-governance-board-2-new-intel-office-targets-foreign-influence

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      On the docket for tomorrow
      "the libritarian case for the ministry of truth
      By RMNB"
      Retard Marxist Nolan brown

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "Journalism participants in an Aspen Institute exercise before the 2020 election, intended to prevent the spread of "hack-and-dump" disinformation from foreign governments, were explicitly told their suspects were "foreign or other adversarial entities," meaning domestic sources."

      "Other adversarial entities". We used to call them "dissidents", they used to call them "wreckers" and "reactionaries".

      1. Super Scary   2 years ago

        " intended to prevent the spread of “hack-and-dump” disinformation from foreign governments"

        Because they didn't want any competition for their own "hack-and-dump" disinformation.

  29. Naime Bond   2 years ago

    He lied about assault so he must pay 5 million; therefore, since she lied about the rape, shouldn't she pay 10 million? All this begs the question of why a 'State run System' that is required to have fair trials and speedy trials, permitting a trial of this sort, to take place, almost 30 years after the fact.

    1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      Interesting question, so where is the limit? What about sexual abuse by clergy, can you file a lawsuit years later? What about chemical exposures, you were exposed 30 years ago during a chemical spill and now you have cancer? What about a black family who's beach front property was confiscated 100 years ago for a white beach, can they sue?

      Do you object to the limit or just in this case?

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        Is the idea that we have a statute of limitations brand new to you?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Only right now when he's trying to force his argument. He'll remember when it becomes rhetorically advantageous.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            I wonder how he'd feel if Tara Reade sued Joe Biden in Wyoming for her alleged 1993 sexual assault, and they had someone read Ashley Biden's diary as evidence that Biden is a serial assaulter.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "That's different because shut up"

      2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

        Serious question do you actually think you moderate and do you think your iq is above 4

      3. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Chemical exposures can be documented and proven.

        The clergy one, much like this case, would depend heavily on the amount of time passed. 30 years later it’s essentially a xe said/xe said.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      The extension of the statute of limitations was really weird.

      I suppose Trump can counter-sue her and see if he can get $10 million.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Not in New York he can’t.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Hey, the purpose of states is as laboratories of anti-democracy, right?

      2. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        I tend to agree with you that the extension granted here is questionable. I suspect that much of this was done because of clergy abuse and it gives victims attacked as children a chance.

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          There never should have been an extension of the statute of limitations.

          Elizabeth Smart did not wait thirty yeats to come forward.

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Not all of the $5m was for defamation, by the way, but the jury not being convinced Trump had actually raped her was not the jury finding that she'd lied about being raped by Trump.

      Trump would have to sue her for defamation for that to be decided by a jury.

  30. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    Okay, I'm not a lawyer, but there's a few problems with this Trump trial.

    The biggest issue I have is that Carroll was able to call two hearsay witnesses. Their only contribution is to say, "Yes, Trump raped her because she told me about this," and they're recounting entire conversations they had with Carroll from three decades ago. They shouldn't have even been allowed to testify because their only contribution is to use hearsay to bolster the main claim.

    But there's many other issues. They were able to call other women who have also made unsubstantiated, vague sexual assault claims against Trump, as if to show he's got some kind of propensity or history. It's again false bolstering. But the defense wasn't allowed to the do the inverse of that, which is to point out that Carroll wrote a story about the "21 most hideous men," in which she accused 20 other men of either physically or sexually assaulting her. Which does strain credulity that she's constantly getting either molested, slapped around, beaten up, or raped, especially since, in that column, she said she didn't include every hideous man she'd ever encountered. But the defense was cut off when they tried to bring up that she'd accused basically two dozen men of doing awful things with just as much evidence as she has of Trump.

    I don't know if Trump's lawyer sufficient made a record for appeal because he wasn't making an offer of proof about all of this. I don't even know if there were hearsay objections offered for Carroll's two friends who chimed in on this issue.

    1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

      I am not a lawyer either, but I think you are misstating "hearsay". These woman received direct testimony from Ms. Carroll and their roll was not to confirm the rape but to counter that the story was made up years later. Hearsay would be more like these woman reported what Ms. Carroll told them Trump had said.

      Perhaps a real lawyer can check us out on this?

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        These woman received direct testimony from Ms. Carrol

        No, she didn't fucking "testify" to them. Them saying words they heard her say, when their statements come years after the fact, are clearly hearsay. And it's done to substantiate her claim, which is exactly what hearsay is not supposed to do.

        What they could testify to are factual matters, if they knew of any. Did she actually call them on the phone? Did she file a police report? Did she go to therapy? Things that are factual which do not rely on restating words she may or may not have said.

        Did you even watch any of the Depp/Heard trial? The rules of hearsay wouldn't even allow Amber Heard to testify what SHE actually said, or what her sister said, and Depp couldn't testify about what HE said. Because those are hearsay, in order to assert some factual matter.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          No, she didn’t fucking “testify” to them.

          Yeah. Testimony is presented in front of a judge/jury under oath. Funny how when Trump allegedly assaults someone, unreliable utterances not made under oath or by sworn affidavit are considered testimony, but when Glossip is involved in killing someone a sworn affidavit attained under oath that independently confirms facts not knowable to the source is just hearsay from an unreliable source.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Add hearsay to the list of things you don’t know the definition of.

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          Are you a lawyer? Because I think I am right here and the two woman who testified that Ms. Carroll told them of the rape were not testifying to confirm the rape but rather confirming Ms. Carroll statement that she believed Trump raped her. They were not there to confirm a rape but rather to say that Ms. Carroll had reported to them being raped. And I believe that is admissible.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      This is a civil suit; the same sort of proceeding where Roundup was found "linked" to various cancers and therefore liable for millions of dollars in payments while no proof of cause has been shown.

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Well, assuming Tacopina get paid for "losing", I'm sure he'll raise all relevant legal issues on appeal. That's the way the legal system works. The jury's findings of fact will not be overturned, but the judge's legal rulings can be appealed.

      If he got the law wrong.

      Which is unlikely, but it's your money.

      (And it is your money, because Trump certainly ain't gonna use his own money for this shit--that's for his gormless supporters to do.)

  31. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

    Oh Massie, your just being paranoid. Osha wouldn't twist there mandate to try to force people to get the jab. Canadian truckers won't have their livelihoods trampled and be called neo nazis for disageeing. No the FBI wouldn't manufacture a kidnapping plot, spy on a presidential candidate, or accuse parents of being domestic terrorists. No the idea that No Fly list be expanded to include the No Guns list is all in your head. HHS employees wouldn't try to censor people on Twitter either. Jeez Massie, have you been paying attention?

  32. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

    So we're deep into the part where the ruling families are warring with each other, I can't wait for them to begin the assassinations. What will be the Rubicon in our story? Newsom declaring himself the president of California? Texas seceding from the Union? Portland or San Fran burning themselves to the ground?

  33. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Well whaddya know.
    A guy who brags about grabbing women by the pu**y is held liable for sexual assault.
    And a guy who freely insults his opponents is held liable for defamation.
    Yup. Total witch hunt.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Jeff continues to applaud a political legal system not even caring to analyze the evidence or court behavior.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        Jury analyzed the evidence and found for the plaintiff.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          Okay. What was the specific evidence m4e?

          Just remember your claim here next time you speak out about a wrongful conviction.

          1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

            Have I spoken out about wrongful convictions? When.

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          ...except they did not do so. Trump was not going to win, even if she said he never saw her in person.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            I know, right? It is TOTALLY INCONCEIVABLE how any jury could have possibly believed the claim that a moral paragon like Trump, who bragged about grabbing women by the genitals, could have possibly committed sexual assault. I mean, there is NO OTHER explanation for the jury's verdict other than pure Trump hatred. That's it. That's the only reason. It's a total witch hunt!

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "who bragged about grabbing women by the genitals"

              What did he actually say, Lying Jeffy? Would you like to give us an unabridged quote?

            2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

              I think the fake part is that trump was in a department store.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                That might be the least believable part of her claim.

              2. mad.casual   2 years ago

                You're joking but it is really part of the least-credible meta-'facts' and it really makes her look like a gold-digging whore.

                Supposedly, by her own testimony, they were in a department store and he proposed she try on lingerie and, through no outright refusal of her own (thus not rape), she wound up alone in the dressing room with him.

                'Assault' Trump: "Hey baby, wanna try on some Sears underwear for me?"
                'Virginal' E. Jean Carroll: [covers gasp with gloved hand] "Why Mister Trump, you are so foward! We're both married and it would be so scandalously improper! But I suppose the proper thing to do is at least honor your offer inasmuch as allowing you to see how I look in it."

                1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

                  ‘Assault’ Trump: “Hey baby, wanna try on some Sears underwear for me?”
                  ‘Virginal’ E. Jean Carroll: [covers gasp with gloved hand] “Why Mister Trump, you are so foward! We’re both married and it would be so scandalously improper! But I suppose the proper thing to do is at least honor your offer inasmuch as allowing you to see how I look in it.”

                  After I got done laughing, I realized this scenario is more believable than Blasey-Ford's allegations against that municipal judge, whoever he was.

            3. damikesc   2 years ago

              If you are too dense to comprehend what he said (i.e "They let you" does not mean "I did it". He admitted to kissing them), at least do not broadcast your ignorance.

        3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "Jury analyzed the evidence"

          What "evidence" did they analyze?

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago

            Let's see... T.r.u.m.p. Yup, Guilty!

          2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            The evidence presented in court, presumably.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Which was what?

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

              What evidence? A police report? Soiled panties? A photograph of bruising?

              There was no evidence presented. Not a jot. Because it was solely her word against his, decades later.
              This whole thing was decided without any evidence presented.

  34. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "It was not clear why jurors chose the lesser offense of abuse over rape," notes The New York Times. "Sexual abuse is defined in New York as subjecting a person to sexual contact without consent. Rape is defined under state law as sexual intercourse without consent that involves any penetration of the penis in the vaginal opening."

    What sort of patriarchal fascists write for the Times? I have been told that rape can be committed online or just with thoughts, and is a retroactive crime with valid evidence obtained years later under guided hypnosis.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      You forgot the part about raping with your eyes.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      Wow, so in New York when a man fucks another man in the ass without their consent, it's not a rape? What's the charge instead? Forced sodomy?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Diversity?

  35. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Hey ENB in case you didn't know E Jean carol has wrongfully accused about 15 people for rape. She stole the story from an episode of law and order. The fact that you don't point out that this is total injustice proves that you are a shit cunt. Please stop claiming to be a libritarian and come out a the garbage Marxist you are.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I liked the comment, "I filed this lawsuit against Donald Trump to clear my name and to get my life back,".

      Streisand effect turned up to 11. I understand she may've written some books or something but her real claim to fame was that she successfully alleged Trump didn't pay her enough when he allegedly had sex with her.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        mad.casual.libel...love it!

  36. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    WALLS ARE CLOSING IN

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics/george-santos-charged-justice-department/index.html

    Santos, whose astonishing pattern of lies and fabrications stunned even hardened politicos, has been charged on a 13-count indictment, including seven counts of wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, one count of theft of public funds, and two counts of making materially false statements to the House of Representatives.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "wire fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds"

      He's just like a Republican Biden!
      ...except for the part where they isolated him and didn't try to make him president.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Yeah, while I'm sure there's someone standing behind Santos, I'm not aware of anyone serious who is. Hell, noted Russian Asset Tulsi Gabbard was one of the first ones to call him out.

    2. Dillinger   2 years ago

      Fetterman first.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        What is Fetterman allegedly guilty of?

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          terrible fashion sense and taste in women.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Even if Fetterman knew he couldn't tell you... literally couldn't tell you.

          "Auhh-uh-uh-ooooh"

        3. NealAppeal   2 years ago

          Having more functioning brain cells than you.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Favors for friends, "justice" for the enemy.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        was paraphrasing "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law" - Oscar Benevides

    4. DesigNate   2 years ago

      That’s a sick burn on the, looks around, 0 people that have defended or support Santos here.

  37. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    I'm waiting for some dude to be awarded for sueing trump by claiming trump murdered him

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      On Fifth Avenue?

  38. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Jeppers... Will the Witch-hunt ever stop? How many imaginary charges can they throw at this guy?

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      At least some of them are not imaginary. Trump might finally get that once the bracelets lock onto his wrists.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        One does not throw oneself in front of the juggernaut, no matter how big one might think oneself to be. You will be dealt with.

  39. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1656309111858909190

    Sen. Johnson exposes just how dark Hunter Biden's crimes in Biden Family get:

    "We have the evidence that Hunter Biden paid tens of thousands of dollars for prostitutes that were sex trafficked through an international sex trafficking ring."

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      “Nobody fucks with a Biden “

      Not for free anyway.

    2. DesigNate   2 years ago

      They need to leave the sex stuff alone. He’s the son of a Democrat, so sexual escapades are expected.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Encouraged, even, when you look at their Hollywood allies.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          It's almost like they can grab women by the pussy.

    3. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Were there dick pics? Asking for ButtFace.

  40. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1656232450354184192

    NEW: Eleven of the infamous Hunter Biden laptop letter signers have visited the White House for a total of at least two dozen times since Joe Biden became president.

  41. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Special Victims Unit—Episode 11, Season 13

    Fuck off enb

  42. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    bill gates bought $55 million (with an option for $100mm) of bioNtech stock in september of 2019 right before they suddenly had the intellectual property for the most profitable vaccine in history.
    they were not working on vaccines previously.
    i wonder where they got the tech?
    no one seems to know.
    but it sure looks like billy g knew.

    ...if you’re going to make a big push into selling vaccines and drugs, why buy mere lobbyists when you can buy the WHO? gates is by far their largest private donor, 25X the size of the next biggest and was their number 2 donor overall.

    ...not only did bill get early word on wuhan and reach out and place big money on the one subtle square that was going to pay out huge by suddenly having the answer to the most asked question on earth and coming out of obscure nowhere to partner with pharma titan pfizer, but he went a full step further and actually held a pandemic war game under the auspices of john’s hopkins that gathered top policy makers and thought leaders to assess a global outbreak of an “imaginary” disease that happened to look exactly like SARS-cov2. this was the now infamous “event 201.”

    and look who threw the party: the WEF and the gates foundation.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      i wonder where they got the tech?
      no one seems to know.

      Probably from DTRA.

  43. SRG   2 years ago

    Trump didn't go onto the stand, didn't call any defence witnesses, and said that Carroll was not his type when his inability to distinguish between Carroll and Maples in a photo - and indeed in those days they did look very similar - suggests that he was lying. And it's not a good look to vehemently deny you've heard of someone when there's a photo of the two of you - better to say that you don't remember.

    Soi whether he did it - and there is nothing to suggest that he wasn't capable of what he was accused of, overall his defence was very poor.

    1. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

      Even the lower burden of proof in a civil trial is on the accuser.

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        Yes. Let it be known that 11:24 on May 10, 2023, Ra's al Gore got something right.

        Most unbiased people would have found for Carroll given the poverty or ineptness of Trump' s defence.

        As others have noted, had the jury really been biased against Trump, they would have found for Carroll in the rape allegation.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "Trump didn’t go onto the stand"

      I can't imagine why.

      "didn’t call any defence witnesses"

      Aren't you pretending to be a lawyer?

      1. SRG   2 years ago

        You can imagine why. We all can. Is there some special exemption that Trump gets that no-one else does?

        My point - that you are smart enough to get but dishonest enough to challenge - is that Trump's defence was poor. Look the jury in the eye and say you didn't do it, don't say in a deposition that she wasn't your type - even if, unlike here, it's true, and find at least one witness either to impugn Carroll's testimony or can back you up.

        1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          He was forced by law to give a deposition, though. He has no obligation to give testimony in his own defense. Assuming that he must be guilty because he was unwilling to speak to the jury goes against all our values regarding the burden of proof. It's rather unsurprising that people on the left have picked it up as a talking point, though.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

          You can imagine why. We all can.

          No shit. Did you somehow think that wasn’t sarcasm?

          "Look the jury in the eye and say you didn’t do it"

          We all know that the Dem judge and jury were dying for an opportunity to dom the ex-pres. Putting himself in their hands would have been retarded. Don't be stupid.

        3. DesigNate   2 years ago (edited)

          The defense that kept getting denied defense tools by the judge? Yeah, I would totally put my client on the stand when the judge presiding over the case let a bunch of hearsay be entered.

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      You should be wood chipper food

    4. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      "Looks aren't everything."

  44. Ra's al Gore   2 years ago

    There are now more federal agents with arrest and firearm authority (200,000) than U.S. Marines (186,000).

    ...Since 2006, the IRS spent $35.2 million on guns, ammunition, and military-style equipment (CPI adjusted). The years 2020 and 2021 were peak years at the IRS for purchasing weaponry and gear. Just since the pandemic started, the IRS has purchased $10 million in weaponry and gear. (See chart below.)
    Special agent head counts: nearly 2,100 special agents. Recently, the IRS chief testified that they are adding 600 new positions (20,000 new hires with 3% ratio of special agents this year). Based on headcount, the IRS ranks in the equivalent of the top 50 largest of 12,261 police departments across the country.
    Uproar over the IRS Special Agent job posting: In August 2022, IRS posted a job description for Special Agent and a position requirement was the willingness to use “deadly force.” The description went viral on the internet and the “deadly force” language was edited out. However, today, that language is back in the online job posting.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      Irs: in range, shoot

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      "Overlord seeks tax collectors with murderous inclinations."

      - Hiring advertisement circa 2023 BC.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Hell, that's the plot of Robin Hood.

  45. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    "It was not clear why jurors chose the lesser offense of abuse over rape," notes The New York Times.

    El oh el.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Why she filed a civil suit after the SOL on criminal charges expired is a mystery too big for mere mortals to wrap their heads around.

      She's a sex columnist and the no-shit story she went with sounds like a bad "rape" fantasy taken straight from her own writing.

      She makes E.L. James look like Wolfe or Dostoevsky.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Yeah, even in the sparse attention I've given to this suit, she seems like a complete nutcase.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Uh, you just linked back to this page with your link.

        What is this, an M.C. Esher post? 🙂

  46. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>at The New York Times, David French dismisses the idea

    don't cite?

  47. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Meanwhile, at The New York Times, David French dismisses the idea that the case was simply a matter of "he said, she said"

    Yeah, well, we had learned journalists here calling the Blasey-Ford allegations "credible" while they were rather INcredible just on their face.

  48. Dillinger   2 years ago

    dying to watch this 14A gymnastics event.

  49. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>not ... guilty of rape, but guilty of ... defamation.

    speaking of gymnastics.

  50. mad.casual   2 years ago

    God, I Thank You That I Am Not Like Other White Evangelicals - Op-Ed By David French

    Heavenly Father - thank you that I, David French, am so much more righteous than all the other white evangelicals in the world.

    It is such a deep privilege, every Lord's Day, to publicly proclaim in the pages of the New York Times how stupid and bigoted white evangelicals are - with one exception (me, David French). What a gift it is to be me.

    ...

    Thank you that I have real principles, principles that do not budge even if children are harmed. While these imbecilic Christians pass laws to protect kids, I stand firm on the rock - the rock of not imposing on parents who wish to abuse their children. Thank you Lord!

    What a gift it is to be me (David French).

    Fucking brilliant.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      beautiful.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Bonnie Kristian plays the same roll here.

      Nothing the urban wokesters love more than seeing purported Evangelicals shit on their hated co-religionists.

  51. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    But French is still skeptical that the result will make a difference to Republican voters.

    But it COULD make a difference to Democratic voters...

    Mein Gott the professional *checks notes* article-writing class is mind-numbingly dumb.

  52. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Every generation has a specific lingo... but for whatever reason, none makes me laugh as hard as Zoomer lingo.

  53. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    Uh oh. Here comes the INVASION!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/biden-admin-plans-order-release-migrants-us-no-way-track-rcna83704

    After more than 11,000 migrants were caught crossing the southern border on Tuesday, the Biden administration is now preparing a memo that will direct Customs and Border Protection to begin releasing migrants into the United States without court dates or the ability to track them, according to three sources familiar with the plans.

    The Biden administration began releasing migrants without court dates to alleviate overcrowding in March 2021, but had previously enrolled those migrants in a program known as Alternatives to Detention, which required them to check in on a mobile app until they were eventually given a court date. The new policy would release them on “parole” with a notice to report to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement office but without enrolling them in the program.

    See, this is just stupid.

    My preferred plan would be to do a quick background check and health screening on all of them, put their info in a database, and then give them a work permit. But no one is going to do that anytime soon.

    The status quo is just stupid though: let the migrants come in, but don't let them legally work, tell them they have to show up at some ICE facility at some date in the future (which may or may not deport them on the spot), and basically leave them in limbo. That's not right. If they won't let the migrants legally work, then they need to make sure their needs are provided for. But they don't do that either, they just let them loose.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      My preferred plan would be to do a quick background check and health screening on all of them, put their info in a database, and then give them a work permit. But no one is going to do that anytime soon.

      If we did that with ALL immigration, we'd have something to discuss. But we don't. And as a result, your plan would literally leapfrog hundreds of thousands of migrants showing up on the southern border over legal migrants navigating the legal system, thus further disincentivizing anyone to ever go through the legal process.

      Now, you might say, "well, do that for everyone", but that's politically and economically untenable, and everyone from Justin Trudeau to the Mayor of Martha's Vineyard knows it's untenable.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        If we did that with ALL immigration, we’d have something to discuss.

        Yes, let's do that with all immigration, depending on what the migrant wants. Some migrants don't necessarily want to become citizens, they just want to work here and then go back home to provide for their families. But some do want to become citizens, and so for them maybe it is a different path. But either way it is far simpler than the mess we have today.

        I don't know how we transition from the current mess of quotas and "people in line" and all of the other bullshit in the system into something like the above in a way that is fair and equitable to all involved. Maybe it's not possible, I don't know.

        but that’s politically and economically untenable

        Politically untenable, sure. Economically untenable, I am not so sure.

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Economically untenable, I am not so sure.

          Try to take a guess about what this might cost, both directly and indirectly. Are you willing to help pay for it?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            There are the economic costs, and then there are also the economic benefits.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

          Yes, let’s do that with all immigration, depending on what the migrant wants.

          And that’s where the wheels fall off when the Rhetoric meets the Road.

          And it’s why I specifically called out Justin Trudeau and the Mayor of Martha’s Vineyard. When we discuss a Paleocon politician who’s a Fox News contributor, we know what his views on open borders and relaxed immigration are. There’s nothing interesting to be learned. But when we discuss Justin “Canada is the first Post-national Country” Trudeau and the Mayor of Martha’s Vineyard and ask THEM why it’s untenable, that’s when answers get interesting. The reality is, and they know it, is that despite the trope that “migrants don’t use any public services”, that has been absolutely proven incorrect and admitted as much by the politicians leading so-called “sanctuary” political districts.

          And even if they DIDN’T put any pressure on those public services, they would absolutely put pressure on the employment sector– at least in the economic band where those immigrants were likely to land. Iron law of economics: When you increase the supply of something, the price drops. And it’s that last part that is where it’s politically untenable.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Well duh, Team Blue isn't for open borders. That is not exactly breaking news. That is one reason why there is a libertarian movement, to push for things that actually expand liberty.

            When it comes to immigration and freedom of association:
            Team Red wants to restrict your freedom of association.
            Team Blue also wants to restrict your freedom of association, but while appearing compassionate doing so.

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

              Well duh, Team Blue isn’t for open borders. That is not exactly breaking news.

              They're "not for open borders" in a "watch what they do, not what they say" kind of way. So yeah, they're "not for open borders".

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Mayorkas Heads To Border To Fire Starter Pistol When Title 42 Expires

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

      “If they won’t let the migrants legally work, then they need to make sure their needs are provided for.”

      That’s not the governments job?

  54. (Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

    Killing quality of life: Rising crime rate puts D.C. residents, businesses, workers on edge:

    A desperate mother in the District of Columbia pleading with carjackers to let her grab her baby before driving away. Mourners on a Northeast sidewalk hit by a hail of deadly bullets outside a funeral service. A Virginia woman brutally slaughtered inside a New York Avenue hotel room. A homeless man stabbed to death in front of a family in the Petworth Neighborhood Library.

    Move over, New York, Chicago and San Francisco. The blood-soaked wave of lawless, often random, violence that has swamped America’s largest cities in recent years is flooding the streets of the nation’s capital.

    Residents are on edge, national lawmakers are frustrated and local leaders are scrambling for answers.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/9/lawlessness-district-has-residents-workers-and-bus/

    1. (Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

      So, even in Washington District of Columbia, one of the most far left democratic jurisdictions in America. the residents are becoming alarmed at what a hellhole their city is backsliding towards.

      Well, this is what happens when you choose to dick ride on George Soros. You get a greatly increased likelihood of a stick up man putting a gun in your face when you're waiting at a traffic light.

      Nancy Pelosi was right after all: elections really do have consequences!

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

        Like I’ve pointed out before, Viktor Orban got put on the west’s shit list solely because he kicked Soros out of the country and shut down his institute, thus nerfing any overt influence that currency-manipulating, criminal friendly oligarch might have had.

        It’s actually a pretty elegant lesson as to what to do with these types–as much money as they may have, they’re quite helpless in the face of concerted resistance that directly targets the institutions they use to peddle their influence and renders them persona non grata. I suspect the only reason Musk hasn't been Epsteined yet is because he's got some kind of trigger mechanism that would burn the US government to the ground.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      But the biggest danger is white supremacy.

  55. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 years ago

    I would be suspect of any jury in New York when it is related to Trump. Not that I feel that Trump is not capable of poor behavior, but because New York is going out of their way to go after Trump. It is obvious that there is a double standard.

    Personally I would like both Trump and Biden to retire and leave politics. Likewise I would like all of the Trump Deranged Leftist to have Karma bite their authoritarian butts. Never have I seen such pack of poor losers bent on out lying and shady practices because they don't like the outcome of an election.

    While I don't like and dis-trust republicans, the democrat party has become truly vile. It time that decent democrat voters leave the party otherwise they will be succumbed by the cesspool of the democrat party.

    For our next president perhaps instead of a octogenarian who is too old to even be a Baby Boomer, lets try someone who is under 60 year years old. The second battle of the Geezers is not a good look.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Ageism is cool now that Biden is shown to be a failure.

  56. rovers   2 years ago (edited)

    Partisan kooks destroyed all this. If you cry wolf over and over again I’m going to ignore you. I’m going to relish your defeat. And almost everyone these days is a partisan kook. I used to favor Reason Magazine because it wasn’t filled with partisan kooks. Until Trump came along. Again, I have no idea what happened and this author might be a straight shooting decent reporter …. but too many writers at Reason have cried wolf and I don’t trust them any more. Sorry. I hope the wolf eats you.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      That was kinda incoherent.

  57. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

    Some 22 million Americans live in manufactured homes, often called mobile homes, and their median household income is $35,000 a year.

    Ackshuyally, all housing is manufactured housing. It's not like a big pointing hand comes out of the sky with a booming voice saying: "Let There Be Jim Walters..."

    🙂

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      >>all housing is manufactured housing

      I thought "maybe mine arose from the ground fully intact, I wasn't there ..."

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        With Genetically Modified Supersized Fast-Growing Redwoods and some little Nano-Carvers working with guidance from AI blueprint algorithms, that could be a possibility too. But even that is still manufactured.

  58. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Last week, Biden said he had "not gotten there yet" but would not rule this extraordinary measure out,

    Lol. please.

    the uniparty is going to come to a "historic agreement" to inflate your ass away into oblivion. prepare accordingly

  59. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    "Working Minnesotans would be guaranteed up to 20 weeks of paid time off to care for a baby, loved one, or their own medical issues under legislation that narrowly passed the state Senate Monday," reports Axios. "A .7% payroll tax, split between employers and employees, would fund the program."

    Aaaaaand Texas gets more jobs.

    1. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Narrator: The .7% payroll tax was not enough.

  60. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    encrypted communication services have already told the UK government they'll exit the British market,

    I do not understand how any one country has any teeth to enforce laws over foreign internet services.

    How can UK make me verify the age of people who visit my website run by a company in California?

    UK:" hey you have to do x"
    Me: "fuck off"
    Uk: profit:

    I dont understand

    1. ducksalad   2 years ago (edited)

      One method would be to go after ISPs physically in the UK and make them block access to your website for their subscribers.

      Technically inclined users in the UK could find a way around it but it would greatly reduce the number of people visiting, and if the UK was serious they could make evading the restriction a crime in itself. If they decide to go full authoritarian they could make it a crime to use any encryption that prevents them from monitoring what is being accessed.

      Lots of US sites are blocked in China.

  61. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

    Jennifer Granholm. The gift that Michigan keeps on giving.

  62. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Meanwhile, at The New York Times, David French

    How could anyone possible take this buffoon seriously? And especially in the matter of the trump "rape" trial lol. please.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      All part of Neo-Reason's neocon rehabilitation program.

  63. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

    RE: E. Jean Carroll

    JUST FOR THE RECORD:

    My wife dislikes Trump, as a person, as much as one probably could. She has been following this long before it became a "story." She has read virtually everything Carroll has written about this "incident." Some folks call that "research."

    Due to so many inconsistencies in Carroll's own writings, she thinks the verdict is a sham. Did I mention she hates Trump?

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      "Yeah, but Trump didn't prove his innocence." - Democrats

      1. Tony   2 years ago

        Are juries Democrats now?

        Just like Antifa and drag queens?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          They are when they're selected to be.

  64. Tony   2 years ago

    Lol. Trump was inartful, but what he was really saying is that, if you're a star, every beautiful woman is presumed to automatically consent.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "is presumed to automatically"

      That's not what he said at all, Tony. Why the lie?

  65. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

    Repeatedly.

  66. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    I guess he just assumes everybody knows just as little about what they're talking about as he does.

  67. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    TOTALLY NOT a progressive D partisan

  68. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

    Mike is a she?

    I know you fellas enjoy cross-posting and all, but I'm confused about this one.

  69. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

    Mike is having a rough day.

  70. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Always Sunny reference. See Dee.

  71. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

    Just looked. No, I’m still not a she.

  72. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

    Whitmer is more dangerous because she’s so deliberately and proudly malicious. The wonder isn’t that she was targeted for assassination, the wonder is that the FBI was able to find only one small group of guys in the whole state of Michigan they could provoke into planning it.

    Granholm isn’t harmless, but she’s a lot like Kathy Hochul or Katie Hobbs in that she’s a complete idiot who can’t function without the DNC chair’s hand up her ass. She's truly one of the dumbest politicians I've seen in my life.

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