The Supreme Court Will Decide Whether You Have a Right to a Prompt Hearing After Cops Seize Your Property
The Supreme Court has agreed to hear two consolidated cases by Alabama women whose cars were both seized for more than a year before courts found they were innocent owners.

Do you have a right to a prompt hearing after the government seizes your property? The U.S. Supreme Court will consider the question in its upcoming term.
The Supreme Court has agreed to hear Culley v. Attorney General of Alabama, two consolidated cases concerning whether property owners have a due process right to a hearing to determine if police had probable cause to seize their property.
The issue may seem esoteric, but it's hugely important to people who have their property seized by police under civil asset forfeiture laws. Under civil asset forfeiture laws, police can take property suspected of being connected to criminal activity even if the owner hasn't been charged with a crime. Property owners then often have the burden of going to court and proving their innocence, a process that can take months and sometimes years.
Take the two cases at issue: In the first, Halima Culley's son was pulled over by police in Satsuma, Alabama, while driving Culley's car. He was arrested and charged with possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. The City of Satsuma also seized Culley's car. It took 20 months, during all of which Culley was bereft of her vehicle, before a state court ruled that she was entitled to the return of her car under Alabama's innocent-owner defense.
In the second case, a friend of Lena Sutton took her car to run an errand in 2019. He was pulled over by police in Leesburg, Alabama, who found methamphetamine in the car and seized it. Sutton also eventually was granted summary judgment on an innocent-owner defense, but not until more than a year after the initial seizure of her car.
These sorts of long delays have been documented elsewhere around the country. In 2018, three Detroit residents filed a class-action lawsuit alleging that Wayne County police and prosecutors seized their cars and forced them to wait months, sometimes years, for a hearing. Two years later, the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning public interest law firm, filed another class-action lawsuit challenging Wayne County's asset forfeiture program, including its practice of not providing defendants with prompt post-seizure hearings.
"The government should not be able to take your car without providing you with a prompt opportunity to challenge the seizure," Dan Alban, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, said in a statement. "In criminal cases, after the government arrests you, it must hold a probable cause hearing shortly after the arrest so that a judge can make a preliminary determination about whether the arrest was legitimate. The government should provide the same kind of prompt hearing after it takes your property."
The specific question before the Supreme Court is which test district courts should apply when determining if someone's 14th Amendment right to due process was violated by being deprived of a prompt hearing.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, which has jurisdiction over Alabama, has held that the "speedy trial" test, a particularly vague balancing test created to resolve allegations of Sixth Amendment violations, applies and that due process is satisfied by the civil forfeiture process itself. However, every other circuit that has weighed in on the issue uses a different balancing test established in the 1976 Supreme Court case Mathews v. Eldridge to determine due process violations.
Culley and Sutton both filed lawsuits claiming that the towns violated their Eighth and 14th Amendment rights by depriving them of their cars for months when a pretrial hearing to establish probable cause for the seizures could have quickly determined that they were innocent owners under Alabama law.
The 11th Circuit rejected their claims, finding the state's civil forfeiture process satisfied the requirements for a timely hearing under the speedy trial test.
Alabama Attorney General Steven Marshall filed a brief opposing Culley and Sutton's Supreme Court petition, arguing there is no circuit split on the issue and that the women had no constitutional right to an additional hearing.
"As an initial matter, petitioners' 'innocent owner' status does not entitle them to special solicitude under either test," Marshall wrote. "For centuries, this court has confirmed that in rem civil forfeitures need not inquire into the guilt or innocence of the property's owner—only the use of the property itself in a prohibited act. That Alabama chose to enact statutory protections for innocent owners thus does not entitle those owners to heightened constitutional protections."
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You’re lucky if the state doesn’t kill you before they take your property.
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>>probable cause hearing shortly after the arrest so that a judge can make a preliminary determination about whether the arrest was legitimate
same judge should be able to return the car at that time.
State’s get around this because the asset forfeiture is a civil proceeding while any post arrest probable cause determination is criminal. Different rules of procedure apply to civil and criminal matters. So while the two cases are obviously intimately connected (its the arrest which triggers the seizure of the property in the first instance) they get around simple solutions like you suggested – – intentionally making the process more convoluted so its harder for people to get their property back. Criminal defendants have the right to counsel; civil litigants do not.
It is my recollection that civil forfeiture laws became "popular" during President Reagans war on drugs. These laws were supposed hamper drug dealers and their enterprise. The laws have NOT accomplished what was promised but have created financial incentives for law enforcement agencies to confiscate the private property of law abiding citizens. Civil forfeiture laws are an affront to liberty and should be repealed.
Re-popular. CF was widely used during Prohibition.
True. Volstead dry law Title III Sec. 18. All administrative provisions of internal-revenue law, including those relating to assessment, collection, abatement, and refund of taxes and penalties, and the seizure and forfeiture of property, are made applicable to this title in so far as they are not inconsistent with the provisions thereof. What the innocent owners suffered was akin to padlocking, where the premises generate no revenue but are liable to tax auctions.
And let's not forget this:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The judicial justification that the property is guilty of the crime and not entitled to the rights of a person is perhaps the most ridiculous justification of government abuse in the US. Commerce clause: Hold my beer.
What we need is an answer that "civil asset forfeiture is unconstitutional regardless of how long or short the process takes" and that those "centuries" of precedent are wrong.
Or more precisely, those "centuries" of precedent were based on an entirely different fact pattern. Civil asset forfeiture arose as an answer to smugglers abandoning their contraband rather than getting caught with it. The police needed some legal mechanism to take custody when no legal owner will ever present him/herself because the mere act of doing so would be an admission of guilt. (When the contraband's owner was known, you went and arrested them and then confiscated their property after the trial.) There is no historical precedent for simply confiscating assets of known ownership. CAF as currently practiced is unconstitutional and should be summarily abolished.
"That Alabama chose to enact statutory protections for innocent owners thus does not entitle those owners to heightened constitutional protections."
in other words.... it does not matter if it is so obviously wrong that they actually passed a law to try and make it better, we are the government and we are still going to fuck you over.
"probable cause to seize their property"
The heck with probable cause, how about a criminal conviction?
If police have to justify their seizures, how else will they pack their stations with sweet rides and coffee machines?
Remember the 70s when nutty hippie burnouts would say things like "government is just organized crime with a veneer of legality"?
Remember how you laughed. Crazy dude thinks taxation is theft. Crazy dude thinks the noble public servants are the same as the mob.
Well, they held the fig leaf tight enough for most people to believe it. But they dropped that fig leaf a long time ago. Eminent domain, Civil Asset Forfeiture, Qualified Immunity......
They don't even pretend. Some big company like Microsoft is sitting on too much cash? Time to issue a fine to grab our share.
this issue will also lead to the discussion of the ultimate form of confiscation, Conscription. The forcible taking of your body to go die somewhere foreign as a slave to the Congress, which has zero right to claim your body with both the 13th Amendment and the very concept of a Citizen (not Subject) being the top most reasons to consider one's own government all the way to SCOTUS as the real enemy should they ever try to seize young men's bodies again to be thrown at some economic policy war.
How SCOTUS handles this lower level of the State proclaiming it owns all of your stuff and maybe might give it back, is going to give me an idea of how they are going to handle the real issue
Does the Government own the Citizenry as Subjects? because Citizens were made Subjects when SCOTUS long ago threw out the Constitution to force Conscription on the Citizenry
You apparently need to have the intelligence of an appellate court judge to not see a problem with the entire civil asset forfeiture process.
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LOL this country is a JOKE! It is absurd civil forfeiture is even a thing! It is so abused it is embarrassing. When the joke called SCOTUS throws out civil forfeiture and allows cops and prosecutors to be held accountable let us know...
No private property should be taken away without due process through a court of law.
IMHO, any CAF property taken and given back should come with a 100% cash value included.
Wrong. The government should not be able to take your car without first convicting you of a crime.
Here’s hoping the court rules correctly. When it comes to cops the Supreme Court has always been happy to Suck Cops. Clarence Thomas, with his deference to police has always puzzled me; I would hope a black man would be less deferential to the people with authority to kill civilians.
It is troubling that this issue is even a question that needs to be brought before the Supreme Court.
Has our legal system completely lost its way?
Guilty Until Proven Innocent
Such has become the new standard. especially when it involves "civil forfeiture". In the novel, Retribution Fever, after a successful rebellion against The Left, the head of the Temporary Military Government spoke to the nation. The following is a small part of that which he said:
We even reached the ludicrous point of characterizing a convicted murderer as too sick to be executed.
The obverse had been a practice known as “civil forfeiture”. Innocent until proven guilty was a bedrock principle of U.S. justice. In most states, if a police officer merely suspected that property was connected to a crime, he could seize it without any actual evidence of wrongdoing. Through a federal program called “Equitable Sharing”, police could confiscate eighty percent of seized value. To recover that which was rightfully theirs, Americans must have proven that the property had no connection to a crime.
[Optional Note for Readers: The practice had begun with the British several hundred years ago in order to deal with pirates beyond the reach of maritime law, judging the goods guilty of the crime, if not the accused. During the War Between the States, the Union adopted the practice to confiscate Northern property owned by Southerners. In 1921, the U.S. Supreme Court in J. W. Goldsmith, Jr.-Grant Co. v. United States endorsed the practice. Early on, however, it dealt more with payment of customs-duties and rarely applied to ordinary citizens until 1984 when Congress created the “Assets Forfeiture Fund” within the Department of Justice supposedly to impede drug-trafficking. The program generalized from there, as do such programs fostering theft by government.]
There is NO SUCH THING as pirates "beyond the reach of maritime law. At least not such persons within the physical ability of the British to seize property.
"As an initial matter, petitioners' 'innocent owner' status does not entitle them to special solicitude under either test," Marshall wrote. "For centuries, this court has confirmed that in rem civil forfeitures need not inquire into the guilt or innocence of the property's owner—only the use of the property itself in a prohibited act. That Alabama chose to enact statutory protections for innocent owners thus does not entitle those owners to heightened constitutional protections."
This is pure BS. First, the CONCEPT of civil forfeiture hasn't been around long enough for the court to have had ANY position "for centuries. Second, the position that property can be seized SOLELY on the basis of being used illegally without the consent of the owners is a CLEAR violation of the 5th amendment.
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