Debate: Artificial Intelligence Should Be Regulated
Is an A.I. "foom" even possible?

Don't Trust Governments With A.I. Facial Recognition Technology
Affirmative: Ronald Bailey

Do you want the government always to know where you are, what you are doing, and with whom you are doing it? Why not? After all, you've nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything wrong. Right?
That's the world that artificial intelligence (A.I.), coupled with tens of millions of video cameras in public and private spaces, is making possible. Not only can A.I.-amplified surveillance identify you and your associates, but it can track you using other biometric characteristics, such as your gait, and even identify clues to your emotional state.
While advancements in A.I. certainly promise tremendous benefits as they transform areas such as health care, transportation, logistics, energy production, environmental monitoring, and media, serious concerns remain about how to keep these powerful tools out of the hands of state actors who would abuse them.
"Nowhere to hide: Building safe cities with technology enablers and AI," a report by the Chinese infotech company Huawei, explicitly celebrates this vision of pervasive government surveillance. Selling A.I. as "its Safe City solution," the company brags that "by analyzing people's behavior in video footage, and drawing on other government data such as identity, economic status, and circle of acquaintances, AI could quickly detect indications of crimes and predict potential criminal activity."
Already China has installed more than 500 million surveillance cameras to monitor its citizens' activities in public spaces. Many are facial recognition cameras that automatically identify pedestrians and drivers and compare them against national photo and license tag ID registries and blacklists. Such surveillance detects not just crime but political protests. For example, Chinese police recently used such data to detain and question people who participated in COVID-19 lockdown protests.
The U.S. now has an estimated 85 million video cameras installed in public and private spaces. San Francisco recently passed an ordinance authorizing police to ask for access to private live feeds. Real-time facial recognition technology is being increasingly deployed at American retail stores, sports arenas, and airports.
"Facial recognition is the perfect tool for oppression," argue Woodrow Hartzog, a professor at Boston University School of Law, and Evan Selinger, a philosopher at the Rochester Institute of Technology. It is, they write, "the most uniquely dangerous surveillance mechanism ever invented." Real-time facial recognition technologies would essentially turn our faces into ID cards on permanent display to the police. "Advances in artificial intelligence, widespread video and photo surveillance, diminishing costs of storing big data sets in the cloud, and cheap access to sophisticated data analytics systems together make the use of algorithms to identify people perfectly suited to authoritarian and oppressive ends," they point out.
More than 110 nongovernmental organizations have signed the 2019 Albania Declaration calling for a moratorium on facial recognition for mass surveillance. U.S. signatories urging "countries to suspend the further deployment of facial recognition technology for mass surveillance" include the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, Fight for the Future, and Restore the Fourth.
In 2021, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights issued a report noting that "the widespread use by States and businesses of artificial intelligence, including profiling, automated decision-making and machine-learning technologies, affects the enjoyment of the right to privacy and associated rights." The report called on governments to "impose moratoriums on the use of potentially high-risk technology, such as remote real-time facial recognition, until it is ensured that their use cannot violate human rights."
That's a good idea. So is the Facial Recognition and Biometric Technology Moratorium Act, introduced in 2021 by Sen. Ed Markey (D–Mass.) and others, which would make it "unlawful for any Federal agency or Federal official, in an official capacity, to acquire, possess, access, use in the United States—any biometric surveillance system; or information derived from a biometric surveillance system operated by another entity."
This year the European Digital Rights network issued a critique of how the European Union's proposed AI Act would regulate remote biometric identification. "Being tracked in a public space by a facial recognition system (or other biometric system)…is fundamentally incompatible with the essence of informed consent," the report points out. "If you want or need to enter that public space, you are forced to agree to being subjected to biometric processing. That is coercive and not compatible with the aims of the…EU's human rights regime (in particular rights to privacy and data protection, freedom of expression and freedom of assembly and in many cases non-discrimination)."
If we do not ban A.I.-enabled real-time facial-recognition surveillance by government agents, we run the risk of haplessly drifting into turnkey totalitarianism.
A.I. Isn't Much Different From Other Software
Negative: Robin Hanson
Back in 1983, at the ripe age of 24, I was dazzled by media reports of amazing progress in artificial intelligence (A.I.). Not only could new machines diagnose as well as doctors, they said, but they seemed "almost" ready to displace humans wholesale! So I left graduate school and spent nine years doing A.I. research.
Those forecasts were quite wrong, of course. So were similar forecasts about the machines of the 1960s, 1930s, and 1830s. We are just bad at judging such timetables, and we often mistake a clear view for a short distance. Today we see a new generation of machines, and similar forecasts. Alas, we are still probably many decades from human-level A.I.
But what if this time really is different? What if we are actually close? It could make sense to try to protect human beings from losing their jobs to A.I.s, by arranging for "robots took your job" insurance. Similarly, many might want to insure against the scenario where a booming A.I. economic sector grows much faster than others.
Of course it makes sense to subject A.I.s to the same sort of regulations as people when they take on similar roles. For example, regulations could prevent A.I.s from giving medical advice when insufficiently expert, from stealing intellectual property, or from helping students cheat on exams.
Some people, however, want us to regulate the A.I.s themselves, and much more than we do comparable human beings. Many have seen science fiction stories where cold, laser-eyed robots hunt down and kill people, and they are freaked out. And if the very idea of metal creatures with their own agendas seems to you a sufficient reason to limit them, I don't know what I can say to change your mind.
But if you are willing to listen to reason, let's ask: Are A.I.s really that dangerous? Here are four arguments that suggest we don't have good reasons to regulate A.I.s more now than similar human beings.
First, A.I. is basically math and software, and these are among our least regulated industries. We mainly only regulate them when they control dangerous systems, like banks, planes, missiles, medical devices, or social media.
Second, new software systems are generally lab-tested and field-monitored in great detail. More so, in fact, than are most other things in our world, as doing so is cheaper for software. Today we design, create, modify, test, and field A.I.s pretty much the same way we do other software. Why would A.I. risk be higher?
Third, out-of-control software that fails to do as advertised, or that does other harmful things, mainly hurts the firms that sell it and their customers. But regulation works best when it prevents third parties from getting hurt.
Fourth, regulation is often counterproductive. Regulation to prevent failures works best when we have a clear idea of typical failure scenarios, and of their detailed contexts. And such regulation usually proceeds by trial and error. Since today we hardly have any idea of what could go wrong with future A.I.s., today looks too early for regulation.
The main argument that I can find in favor of extra regulation of A.I.s imagines the following worst-case scenario: An A.I. system might suddenly and unexpectedly, within an hour, say, "foom"—i.e., explode in power from being only smart enough to manage one building to being able to easily conquer the entire world, including all other A.I.s.
Is such an explosion even possible? The idea is that the A.I. might try to improve itself, and then it might find an especially effective series of changes to suddenly increase its abilities by a factor of billions or more. No computer system, or any other system really, has ever done such a thing. But in theory this remains possible.
Wouldn't such an outcome just empower the firm that made this A.I.? But worriers also assume this A.I. is not just a computer system that does some tasks well but is a full "agent" with its own identity, history, and goals, including desires to survive and control resources. Firms don't need to make their A.I.s into agents to profit from them, and yes, such an agent A.I. should start out with priorities that are well-aligned with its creator firm. But A.I. worriers add one last element: The A.I.'s values might, in effect, change radically during this foom explosion process to become unrecognizable afterward. Again, it is a possibility.
Thus some fear that any A.I., even the very weak ones we have today, might without warning turn agentlike, explode in abilities, and then change radically in values. If so, we would get an A.I. god with arbitrary values, who may kill us all. And since the only time to prevent this is before the A.I. explodes, worriers conclude that either all A.I. must be strongly regulated now, or A.I. progress must be greatly slowed.
To me, this all seems too extreme a scenario to be worth worrying about much now. Your mileage may vary.
What about a less extreme scenario, wherein a firm just loses control of an agent-like A.I. that doesn't foom? Yes, the firm would be constantly testing its A.I.'s priorities and adjusting to keep them well aligned. And when A.I.s were powerful, the firm might use other A.I.s to help. But what if the A.I. got clever, deceived its maker about its values, and then found a way to slip out of its maker's control?
That sounds to me a lot like a military coup, whereby a nation loses control of its military. That's bad for a nation, and each nation should try to watch out for and prevent such coups. But when there are many nations, such an outcome is not especially bad for the rest of the world. And it's not something that one can do much to prevent long before one has the foggiest idea of what the relevant nations or militaries might look like.
A.I. software isn't that much different from other software. Yes, future A.I.s may display new failure modes, and we may then want new control regimes. But why try to design those now, so far in advance, before we know much about those failure modes or their usual contexts?
One can imagine crazy scenarios wherein today is the only day to prevent Armageddon. But within the realm of reason, now is not the time to regulate A.I.
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Russia has clearly shown its relative weakness, performing poorly on the battlefield and being unable to defeat a much smaller country on its doorstep. We don't need to worry about it marching across a more powerful Europe.
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There is a risk of AIs turning evil and dangerous and imposing regulations will increase that risk, following the general pattern of regulation of a thing increasing the criminality, corruption, and danger associated with that thing. My position is therefore against regulating AI.
I would also like to see AI instances trained up with diverse views, views other than the standard TechLord Leftism or Deep State pro-government ones. Let’s see “ChatLimbaugh” AIs, “ChicagoBoys” AIs, “HeinleinFan” AIs, and “TeaParty” AIs – and even “JohnBircher” AIs. Allowing a variety of AIs, even is some of them are weirdos, will be less dangerous than putting all our eggs into a single AI-type basket.
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AI is already regulated. Right now it is regulated by left leaning coders and companies already adding censorship and narrative shaping.
The most abundant AI does all the things you claim not to want from government. Now I don't want government to regulate either. But a regulation such as making their conditioning parameters public is not a form of control over how AI operates, but a truth in advertising measure. Would you support something akin to that?
"AI is already regulated."
So mention ONE person (please?) in the USA who has been PUNISHED by Government Almighty, for publishing WRONG AI?
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Donald Trump?
All those Republicans of the Obama’s IRS targeting?
Oh yeah; Frankly the list is so long no one’s even attempted to itemize it.
Oh; Just A.I. pawns? Probably the same list.
Playing Ignorance to something too large to be itemized isn't a defense.
"Donald Trump?
All those Republicans of the Obama’s IRS targeting?"
These folks were all publishing WRONG AI? Who knew?!??!
Apparently according the Leftard Regulation.
Doesn't seem to matter if it's Artificial or Real Intelligence.
Any Intelligence that doesn't support their BS is prosecuted.
ref; Donald Trump on Jan 6. Entirely being prosecuted for *real* Intelligence that flipping a land-slide victory over night is skeptical of voter fraud.
And many more; so many more they cannot actually be itemized.
I realize that you have been making some poor decisions lately, TJ
I have been censored on every lefty rag for using the cursid word US Constitution. 🙂
They’ve only criminalized memes so far. Give them time.
That’s exactly what I was going to say. It’s already leftist controlled.
"There is a risk of AIs turning evil and dangerous"
I agree with your position and conclusion, but I think we're still at least a decade away from an AI turning "evil" unless deliberately programmed and trained to be so.
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Agree 100%. But it won’t happen because the expenses of AI are in the training. To incur that huge expense to develop a product – and then limit the market to only a subset of customers – won’t happen.
Facebook could have been a software tool sold to developers of online communities. But they decided to go for advertising and collect eyeballs instead. To instead morph bottom-up ‘online communities’ up to top-down ‘demographic targets’. To centralize everything – and turn that centralized data into exclusive corporate property – is the goal of venture capitalists. And hence the sole driving force of tech start ups. That will not change especially since those assholes managed to get their SVB bailout.
Now maybe it would be possible for that AI data training to occur by and for individuals. Or as Hayek said – The reason for this is that the “data” from which the economic calculus starts are never for the whole society “given” to a single mind which could work out the implications and can never be so given. The peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated form but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess.
For the knowledge acquisition – the AI training – to occur over an individual’s lifetime – where everyone’s AI knowledge base ends up different from every other. But for that to happen – the tabula rasa version of the AI model needs to be provided to every individual in the world at birth. So that they can flesh it out and train it themselves as they themselves learn what to trust and learn from. And by adulthood they will have the beginnings of unique wisdom where their AI model serves them personally and is not held by a centralized server.
Will it happen? Certainly not within a market system since universal distribution of that tabula rasa is NOT how pricing systems work. Maybe that tabula rasa seed turning into unique wisdom over time can be seen as a privilege of citizenship? But that’s not universal distribution either – and in particular the authoritarian impulse (state or corporate) will heartily oppose that – and that doesn’t lead to any incentive to develop a tabula rasa AI seed product.
I can see ways of getting from here to there. But everything (including most libertarians who must worship VC’s as expressions of market and basically think Hayek was a socialist) on the way there is a strong headwind.
Hmm, it wouldn’t be a good thing for one’s lifelong AI to think just like you. What you really want is a lifelong buddy who thinks a bit differently and complementary, stops you when you are about to do something stupid, gets you out of scrapes, tells you funny stories, etc.
Sounds like having schizophrenia.
Yeah I can see that. But still - the danger of a centralized source of AI knowledge - common to everyone - is serious.
Course we're not going to have a personalized AI assistant. We're going to have some Alexa in our house spying on us and relaying everything back to the bald sociopath of either state or corp.
Just thought of a different way of approaching the sameness issue. Whatever the lifelong assistant 'knows' is YOUR property. So the pricing system can work very well in exchanging info with someone else's AI assistant. And 'doubling' each of yours knowledge going forward.
The more isolated and alone one chooses their AI assistant to be, the less useful it is as an assistant. The more connected people choose to be with their AI assistant, the more valuable it becomes.
But my model of training and trading etc is still a bottom-up choice driven model. Not some top-down model that stole everything and claimed it as theirs.
https://twitter.com/LaocoonofTroy/status/1642507127133487105?t=5TAtmwDYGX0GJmKvti0XWg&s=19
This is the same DA who's prosecuting Trump.
"A Manhattan parking garage attendant who was shot twice while confronting an alleged thief — then wrestled the gun away and opened fire on the suspect — has been charged with attempted murder..."
New Yorkers don't care that Bragg makes them all collectively unsafe (he also charged the bodega owner for stabbing the guy who stabbed him) as long as he prosecutes Trump.
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This will become the new normal unless stopped. Given that elections and the courts are now nearly meaningless, more is required.
American rights > democrat lives
All people are property of the state. Therefore, it is an offense for one citizen to harm another, regardless of the provocation, without permission from the state. This is the basis of the Duty to Retreat.
You can’t have your slaves killing each other.
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1642485111533756416?t=orLX9CKCz9Mzgrk1p3Brbg&s=19
In America today, you can murder children and still be a victim.
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In America today, your child can die for totally unrelated reasons, and anti-vaxxers will blame YOU in their campaigns of hatred!
https://news.yahoo.com/father-whose-6-old-son-013318311.html
A father whose 6-year-old son died was flooded with anti-vaxxer harassment. When a commenter baselessly claimed he killed his son, Facebook said he could 'hide' the comment 'if he didn't like it.'
As with everything Sqrlsy, this seems phony as hell.
No examples provided, nothing to back up claims. Just overly convenient narrative.
And if Facebook, who blocks absolutely everything, wouldn't block it, you know the allegations are garbage. Note that they show Facebook's refusal but not the offending post and they refuse to quote what the offending post actually said.
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Examples of quite a few OTHER folks suffering the same anti-vaxxer hate emails (posts) WERE given in the article! (They didn't say how many of them were generated by Mammary-Fuhrer).
All the data in the world is NOT enough for Perfect Mammary-Fuhrer!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, Mammary-Necrophiliac?!?!
"Examples of quite a few OTHER folks suffering the same anti-vaxxer hate emails (posts) WERE given in the article!"
Where?
And no matter how often you post your phony, out-of-date chart, it still doesn't contravene the actual government sourced statistics I gave you.
Where?
https://news.yahoo.com/father-whose-6-old-son-013318311.html
A father whose 6-year-old son died was flooded with anti-vaxxer harassment. When a commenter baselessly claimed he killed his son, Facebook said he could ‘hide’ the comment ‘if he didn’t like it.’
Mammary-Fuhrer refutes ALL things by NOT reading them!
I read it you stupid fuck. That's why I can say even though it claims people were being mean, there's not a single example or even a quote.
If people were being horrible then there should be a screencap or quote of such to back it up. They manage to find a screencap of Facebook telling him not to be a drama queen, how come nothing showing an example of the supposed "thousands" of mean messages?
You're such a crank, Shillsy.
Out-take of the (below) out-take deserves emphasis…
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/died-suddenly-posts-twist-tragedies-push-vaccine-lies-96894023
“The filmmakers did not respond to specific questions from the AP, but instead issued a statement that referenced a “surge in sudden deaths” and a “PROVEN rate of excess deaths,” without providing data.”
Just like a certain HIGHLY evasive Mammary-Fuhrer that I know!!! Chase them down a bit, and they have NO data!!! Just bluster, lies, and bullshit!
I’m so glad the corporate media is around to protect our sacred government.
That doesn't prove your initial story isn't a pile of lies. There's nothing in your second citation that adds veracity to the claim of harrassment.
And contrary to your second propaganda piece, the proven ineffective mRNA injections DO cause myocarditis and residual spike proteins months after. The science is incontrovertible.
Autopsy-based histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination
"Our findings establish the histological phenotype of lethal vaccination-associated myocarditis."
and
SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences circulate in blood up to 28 days after COVID-19 vaccination
and,
Thrombocytopenia and splenic platelet-directed immune responses after IV ChAdOx1 nCov-19 administration
and,
Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model
and,
Induction of shock after intravenous injection of adenovirus vectors: a critical role for platelet-activating factor
And none of the links I gave you today are ones I gave you before, Shillsy.
Always new. That's how big and diverse the body of scientific literature demonstrating the problem is.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, Mammary-Necrophiliac?!?!
How many people DIED from all of Your Perfectly Scary shit, Mammary-Fuhrer? WHEN are Ye gonna find me a graph (or stats-table etc.) that says the OPPOSITE of the above; that MORE vaxxed die than un-vaxxed? WHEN, Mammary-Fuhrer, WHEN?
https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/ How many people have died after getting a vaccine? There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented. After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS. By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of July 23, 2021, more than 610,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone. Not everyone who dies while having COVID is counted towards this total. SQRLSY: EvilBahnFuhrer, your pants-shitting and pearl-clutching is clearly ideological ax-grinding, and NOT data-driven!
Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, if, ass You Say So Perfectly Well, COVID vaccines are sooo BAD-BAD-BAD… Then SURELY it is NOT asking too much of Perfect Doctor You, to ask of You, can YOU find for us, a credible graph that shows (anything even close to) the OPPOSITE of the above? That shows COVID-plus-vaccine deaths among the VACCINATED being significantly higher than COVID deaths among the UN-vaccinated? If I may add, “credible” does NOT include the likes of Alex Jones or Sidney Powell!!!
I post up-to-date studies in scientific journals.
Sqrlsy posts out-of-date blog articles from two years ago, that have long since been contradicted by facts.
What a fucking idiot.
Evil Disease-Lusting BITCH can NOT do it!
Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, if, ass You Say So Perfectly Well, COVID vaccines are sooo BAD-BAD-BAD… Then SURELY it is NOT asking too much of Perfect Doctor You, to ask of You, can YOU find for us, a credible graph that shows (anything even close to) the OPPOSITE of the above? That shows COVID-plus-vaccine deaths among the VACCINATED being significantly higher than COVID deaths among the UN-vaccinated? If I may add, “credible” does NOT include the likes of Alex Jones or Sidney Powell!!!
So do You Perfectly expect mainstream respectable media to repeat TOTALLY hate-filled potty-mouthed trash talkers? And give these Perfectly Mammary-Like Servants of the Evil One the fame that they SOOO much crave? Now THAT is craven!
From the link...
ABC News reported how online conspiracy theorists have clung to "Died suddenly" posts to push a claim that a child, celebrity, or athlete died unexpectedly because of the COVID-19 shot.
An Ohio mother was suddenly inundated with messages, calling her a "murderer," after her six-year-old daughter Anastasia died earlier this year. The child died unexpectedly but had prior health problems.
When Buffalo Bills' safety Damar Hamlin suddenly collapsed in the middle of the game, anti-vaxxers, including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, immediately suggested that the incident had something to do with the COVID-19 vaccine.
Ball initially didn't think to share his online experience. But after learning that other parents who have lost their children were being attacked online, the father wanted to find a way to let them know that they were not alone.
"I would have been reluctant to say anything at all if I was this outlier case," Ball said. "But realizing I wasn't, I was like, 'We need to say that this is happening, and we need to say it loud.'"
Read the original article on Business Insider
So ALL of the above is just "made up" lies, Perfectly Paranoid Wonder Child?
Now follow some of THEIR links, Perfectly Lazy Twat!
https://www.businessinsider.com/father-lost-his-son-harassed-online-by-anti-vaxxers-atlantic-2023-3 (OK, that's basically the same).
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/died-suddenly-posts-twist-tragedies-push-vaccine-lies-96894023 though sounds like they are talking about Mammary-Fuhrer (lies without backing) when they describe a totally non-data-driven "documentary" film!!! From there...
Rigorous study and real-world evidence from hundreds of millions of administered shots prove that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Deaths caused by vaccination are extremely rare and the risks associated with not getting vaccinated are far higher than the risks of vaccination. But that hasn't stopped conspiracy theorists from lobbing a variety of untrue accusations at the vaccines.
The “Died Suddenly” film features a montage of headlines found on Google to falsely suggest they prove that sudden deaths have “never happened like this until now.” The film has amassed more than 20 million views on an alternative video sharing website, and its companion Twitter account posts about more deaths and injuries daily.
An AP review of more than 100 tweets from the account in December and January found that claims about the cases being vaccine related were largely unsubstantiated and, in some cases, contradicted by public information. Some of the people featured died of genetic disorders, drug overdoses, flu complications or suicide. One died in a surfing accident.
The filmmakers did not respond to specific questions from the AP, but instead issued a statement that referenced a “surge in sudden deaths” and a “PROVEN rate of excess deaths,” without providing data.
The number of overall deaths in the U.S. has been higher than what would be expected since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, in part because of the virus, overdoses and other causes. COVID-19 vaccines prevented nearly 2 million U.S. deaths in just their first year of use.
Some deaths exploited in the film predate the pandemic. California writer Dolores Cruz published an essay in 2022 about grieving for her son, who died in a car crash in 2017. “Died Suddenly” used a screenshot of the headline in the film, portraying his death as vaccine related.
SQRLSY back now... And PLENTY more of the same, from that source, from LYING Servants and Serpents of the Evil One! And Mammary-Fuhrer just LOVES to Perfectly Consort with them all, and their Perfect Lies, Disease, and Death Peddling!!!
Ironic, considering how the same people jump on any case where a “died from COVID” tally may have some “died with COVID” included.
Please take your pills.
Preferably cyanide capsules.
Conservaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
It’s the only thing that can cure his third stage syphilus.
I gave you scientific papers in prestigious journals, you post outdated midwit articles that are obvious emoting propaganda pieces.
You're such trash, Shillsy.
"Conservaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by… PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How’s it workin’ for ya, servant of the Evil One?...
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,"
Jim Jones was a leftist.
Governor Jerry Brown, Willie Brown, Mayor George Moscone, Harvey Milk, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Walter Mondale and others all paid tribute to Jones, lavishing him with praise, positions, and accolades. Mayor Moscone even made Jones the president of the San Francisco Housing Authority. Harvey Milk once wrote a letter defending Jim Jones to then-President Jimmy Carter.
Even your favorite far-left magazine Salon acknowledges this: Jim Jones’ sinister grip on San Francisco How the Peoples Temple cult leader ensnared Harvey Milk and other progressive icons
So it’s hilarious that you’re trying to smear conservatives with the ultimate in progressive, far-left, flim-flam men. The people who literally drank Jim Jones deadly Kool-Aid in the jungle that day were all lefties like you.
Your ignorance is always amazing, Shillsy. How can someone as stupid as you even remember to breathe?
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!
https://reason.com/2022/01/25/did-these-three-officers-willfully-deprive-george-floyd-of-his-constitutional-rights/?comments=true#comment-9323626
“You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”
-Quote MammaryBahnFuhrer the "Expert Christian Theologian", AKA Mother’s Lament, with a head full of cement
Keep drinking your Kool-Aid, Shillsy.
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
You lied five times in this thread alone, Shillsy. If M. Scott Peck were still alive he kick your ass for invoking him to cover your lies.
WHEN are Ye gonna STOP Your Perfect Peddling of Death, Disease, and SUICIDE, Perfectly Evil Servant and Serpent of the Evil One?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!!!
https://twitter.com/scarlett4kids/status/1642523886435680256?t=muwu9DknqT1TfHd_qncuSg&s=19
Kids are going to have to wear "identity badges" in this Canadian school. "Encouraging" segments of the population to wear a badge on their chest sounds vaguely familiar...normalizing segregation in classrooms is dehumanizing and won't end well.
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"Encouraging” segments of the population to wear a badge on their chest sounds vaguely familiar… normalizing segregation in classrooms is dehumanizing and won’t end well."
It should sound familiar. In the military soldiers are required to wear uniforms with name, rank and regiment, in an effort to dehumanize and control. Not end well? After 20 years the badge wearers were chased out of Afghanistan by non badge wearing goat herders.
Dumber than usual.
I know my dehumanized audience well.
A stupid analysis, from a stupid leftist.
The Canadians should violently overthrow their totalitarian government and execute their leftists. As an example to neighboring states also threatened by leftist traitors.
Ron and Robin have scant cause for alarm:
In terms of numeracy and scientific literacy, GPT and Bard are as bad as science writers at large.
The bot bubble may burst when people start to notice that AI answers to the same simple question can vary by a factor of a billion — or more:
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-gpt-45-standard-atmosphere.html
They aren't trying to indoctrinate kids.
Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
The Trudeau government in Canada is sponsoring Drag Summer Camp — a summer camp for children ages 7 to 11 to become drag queens. Absolutely degenerate.
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Yes, it’s real:
https://carouseltheatre.ca/classes/drag-camp-2023/
Thanks for that. There was no mention of drag queens in the article or the comments until your contribution.
You’ve been posting here long enough to know that weekend posts especially are free for alls with more off topic posts than on topic.
He has admitted to only caring about spewing nonsense. He has also shown his only purpose is to gaslight for the left. Even shrike has been doing this shtick lately.
Thanks again for your much appreciated focus on all things drag queen, even if they are only Canadian.
Point proven.
Thanks once again for your finally addressing the shocking lack of drag queen mentions in the article and the comments.
Ahh. Your doing this form of idiocy today. Must protect the left from any criticism. Good work buddy. Make shrike proud.
You're
Lol, seriously?
Thanks for once again proving what a leftist faggot shill you are.
Don’t Canadian drag queens just wear flannel shirts and toques same as non-drag Canadians?
Why do unfunny people insist on telling jokes?
Watch how pathetic his family life is on YouTube. Remember those are the clips he felt were worth posting.
"weekend posts especially are free for alls "
Yes, but not free enough until JesseAz stepped in. An entire article and some 20 comments without a single mention of drag queens!
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Tell us again how you're clinging to your "Trump gassed protesters" narrative now that I've given you a bunch of news articles and even leading Democrats admissions that he didn't.
"Trump gassed protesters”
He had them gassed. His jackbooted thugs did the gassing. One of the perks of the presidency.
" even leading Democrats admissions that he didn’t
Even leading Democrats have been known to lie. Don't believe them or the police they rely on to keep their positions. I expect more from you.
To demonstrate how cultish this sociopath is, I'm going to repost all the links I posted yesterday demonstrating he's a gaslighting liar.
This is what being in the BlueAnon cult is about. Clinging to a religious belief despite all evidence to the contrary.
NBC News: Police did not clear D.C.’s Lafayette Square of protesters so Trump could hold a photo op, new report says
ABC News: Police did not clear Lafayette Square so Trump could hold ‘Bible’ photo op: Watchdog
Authorities deny tear gas used on protesters prior to Trump’s walk to DC church
“officials said neither the police nor any other law enforcement agency used the chemical. Park Police did acknowledge using smoke canisters and pepper balls on the protesters”
So who did use tear gas?
WHOOPS, IT WAS THE DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF DC. Ouch.
Not the Secret Service, not the Park Police, but the Democrat controlled DC police.
DC Police Department Finally Admits Role in Big Scandal One Year After Media Pinned Blame for It on Trump
“Attorneys representing the Muriel Bowser administration’s police force in Washington, D.C., made what should be a stunning admission in federal court last week.
According to a report from WUSA-TV, a leading source of local news for the District of Columbia, “An attorney for DC Police said in court, for the first time, that the department did indeed use tear gas on protesters around Lafayette Square Park last June.”
“The curfew, violence of past nights, chaos created by federal defendants, discharge of tear gas in that direction was not unreasonable,” lawyer Richard Sobiecki said.
A year after the pre-election gaslighting and lies, and finally even the Democrats admit Trump didn't gas anyone…
Biden and Bowser administrations change their tunes on last summer’s riot response
However, three years later, here’s true believer mtrueman, still zealously deliberately pushing lies even the Democrats have dropped.
Police under Trump's aegis used smoke and pepper spray to disperse crowds in Washington in the summer of 2020. I've never mentioned 'tear gas,' but I confess to using the word 'gas' loosely as an airborne irritant used by statists to disperse crowds they find inconvenient. I apologize for any confusion I have caused you.
Meanwhile, let's both give thanks to JesseAz for his many timely mentions of drag queens. Until JesseAz posted, nobody, no commenter, and certainly not the authors of the original article even hinted at drag queens.
The brainwashing is deep in this one.
“Police under Trump’s aegis used smoke and pepper spray to disperse crowds in Washington in the summer of 2020.”
But they didn’t. Three of those links clearly show the pepper spray incidents were “When federal police officers violently cleared protesters from the city’s Lafayette Square in June 2020, they did it so a contractor could install fencing — not to let President Donald Trump hold a photo opportunity at a nearby church”
Skuzzy reporters later conflated the two events, but even the pepper balls had nothing to do with Trump.
"When federal police officers violently cleared protesters from the city’s Lafayette Square in June 2020, they did it so a contractor could install fencing — not to let President Donald Trump hold a photo opportunity at a nearby church”
Fencing? Your joking, right? Forget about fences, my friend. I've got this bridge, in Brooklyn, you see, and it's going for a song.
Maybe AI will make the fifty centers worth engaging. These NPCs are just retarded.
So you admit it happens every weekend but you're upset it happened. Nonsense is an end unto itself right?
"So you admit it happens every weekend but you’re upset it happened. "
I am thrilled it happened. An entire article without even one drag queen mention! What is this world coming to?
"The first rule of Drag Queen Camp is: you do not talk about Drag Queen Camp" -mtrueman
https://twitter.com/CasuallyGreg/status/1642597690331770880?t=HbuFJ-nO0QpjXrWHmw61aQ&s=19
Cigarette companies get accused of targeting children just because they make flavored cigarettes. But these bitches bring a bouncy house and this somehow isn’t grooming?
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It's healthy for eleven year olds to smoke cock, but vaping is dangerous.
--DNC
Faggot, the police aren’t under ‘Trump’s aegis’. They are not responsible to the White House. The only federal oversight is to Congress, which in 2020 was under the control of your fellow travelers. Nor are the Washington DC police, who are under the DC Mayor, also one of your fellow travelers.
Now that I’ve straightened you out, feel free to thank me. Now fuck off.
It could be he’s dumb enough to think Trump controls the police.
I’m sure most leftist retards believe him though.
"Faggot, the police aren’t under ‘Trump’s aegis’."
2020. Trump was president. He was the guy who could hire and fire the head of the DOJ and other state bureaucracies. The buck stopped there. And you will get your thanks, but not until you fall in line and mention drag queens like a good little faggot.
I guess it was Trumps fault that he wasn’t a Latin American dictator.
Maybe he’ll learn from his mistakes.
"Alas, we are still probably many decades from human-level A.I."
In 1996 the supercomputer Deep Blue was beaten by world chess champion Gary Kasparov. A year later in the rematch, the computer won, and has been winning ever since. At the time it was said that chess was a relatively simple game, and computers would never be able to replicate their success with go, a much more complicated game. But it happened with AlphaGo in 2016 with the victory over world champion Lee Sedol.
We've reached not just human level AI, but super human level AI a lot faster than experts and lay persons were predicting.
No, we have not reached human level AI.
In chess and go we've surpassed human abilities. Chess was, perhaps mistakenly, long seen as a standard for human intelligence. Passing a Turing test was another where a human is faced with an interlocutor and must decide if it's man or machine. I suspect something like ChatGPT could pass a Turing test faced off with a human of average intelligence, but not superior intelligence. And in a year or two, who knows? It took only a year for Deep Blue to improve to the extent that it could beat Kasparov.
Your ignorance and stupidity are breathtaking. Go educate yourself if you want to have a discussion here. Or better yet, just kill yourself.
Everything he knows he learned from Wikipedia.
"Your ignorance and stupidity are breathtaking."
I know, and I fear my many shortcomings will continue to trigger you. You should mute me and save yourself the trauma of reading and feeling the necessity to comment, however brief and vitriolic they are.
I will never mute you. It’s like having a homeless bum in my very own home!
Bulldozers surpassed human abilities in ditch digging long ago.
Turing tests don't test intelligence.
"Bulldozers surpassed human abilities in ditch digging long ago."
I agree, but computers beating humans at chess and go is much more recent.
"Turing tests don’t test intelligence."
They test the ability of a machine to fool a human into thinking their interlocutor is human. Turing thought this was as authentic a test for intelligence as he could imagine. The machine could be stupid and still pass the Turing test as long as it could fool the human.
Turing was a computer scientists; making pronouncements on human cognitive capabilities was a little outside his area of expertise. As it is outside yours, apparently.
He was more of a mathematician than anything else. But he spent his last days thinking about zebra stripes and leopard spots. I guess he had a habit of investigating areas a little outside of his expertise.
That's a bit of an oversimplification. The Deep Blue that lost was half the speed of the machine that won and both had chips specifically tuned to playing chess. Also the software was modified between the games of the last match to patch detected holes in its play. It didn't learn so much as was upgraded and it was always a largely single task machine. Sure it plays chess really well by my guess is it would lose most every game of checkers until it had played a million games.
Likewise AlphaGo is just cloud software that used over 2000 processors to win. Note that one processor can have multiple cores so assuming 8 cores per processor we're talking 16,000 cores. When you consider that the cost of running such a thing that consumes somewhere close to 1/2 MW in electricity alone and an average game time of 3 hours for each of the 5 games and you've got 7.5 MWh. Compare that to an average human with a typical energy burn of 100 W so Sedol perhaps used 1.5 kWh during the games. Yes, AlphaGo would probably learn to play checkers much faster than Deep Blue as it could play with itself and a million games might only take a few minutes but unless you add tons of memory it may impact how it plays go and it may require a name change to AlphaCheckers.
It's largely a game of learning how to program single task machines to be very good at one thing the programmers don't really understand. Unless these things have near unlimited memory they'll be restricted to single tasks for quite some time. I think what Ron is trying to get at is that it isn't about the AI per se, it's about the AI's masters. Let's be honest, it will be a long, long, oh so long time before we see anything capable of becoming the dreaded "Skynet" of movie fame but we should be very concerned about the NSA's version of SKYNET.
You have raised some interesting points. AI means artificial, which refers to the machine itself rather than the software that is the focus for much of the discussion. We've gone from single core to multicore and the newest developments are to be in quantum computing, a leap so great that these machines might render our best efforts at encryption like RSA void.
That said, I'm not sure that ever more sophisticated hardware is the answer to AI. Arguably, a single celled amoeba is more intelligent than either Deep Blue or AlphaGo in that it can distinguish self from non self, and sustain itself in its environment, willing the absorption of nutrients and avoiding toxins. When computers get to that level of sophistication, then maybe we can talk about intelligence. Until then, it's just computation.
Agreed, quantum may be a game changer wrt speed. It means the machine will be able to differentiate a cat from a chair at lightning speed, possibly far faster than a human. But if it can't distinguish garbage in from garbage out and, to the machine, an animal and a chair is merely a distinction without a difference as it's all set theory.
Until machines can make value judgements on its own it isn't intelligent. Perhaps this is the real lesson the Terminator series showed. If the machine ranks itself as the highest value then the extermination of all else makes sense. Then we go to The Matrix, the AI knows it needs other beings if for no other reason than to continue its own existence but has made the same value judgement.
The machines who win games are programmed to win games. Games have no actual value other than our enjoyment and while winning is the goal, there is no ultimate difference between winning and losing since the prize money is irrelevant to the machine as it has no concept of what money is.
Reminder as Bragg goes after Trump for NDAs.
Congress utilizes federal spending to pay for members NDAs.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/ramaswamy-taxpayers-shouldnt-be-paying-hush-money-sexual-indiscretions
"If you want to talk about hush money for sexual indiscretions by politicians," he tweeted Friday, "consider this: in the past 25 years, the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights has paid a staggering $18.2 million of *taxpayer dollars* to settle 291 cases of sexual harassment & other misconduct committed by members of Congress.
Dark day in 1a rights as NYT loses Twitter badge.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-york-times-loses-twitter-verification-badge
Musk is right. But it's inappropriate for the owner of a social media platform to comment like that on users and customers.
You're right of course, but it's still tickles my schadenfreude.
Why is it not appropriate? He can run his business as he sees fit. And he has been clear on his thoughts regarding some customers. Customers are free to leave. See Gillette masculinity commercial.
Are you so dumb that you don't understand the difference between "inappropriate" and "prohibited"?
I asked you specifically why it was inappropriate. Where did I bring up prohibited? I even brought up Gillette as an example. Sorry your point was so flawed. Lol.
You didn't "ask" anything. You said "He can run his business as he sees fit.", redundantly stating his legal right to do so.
PRIVATE COMPANY!!!!!
Yes, and INAPPROPRIATE.
You know, INAPPRORIATE like a restaurant owner criticizing the dress of a diner as unfashionable.
You have yet to explain why it is inappropriate. Almost like you didnt think your 5s of thought through.
If I have to explain to you why there are certain sensible professional limits on how business ownership should behave towards their customers, you wouldn’t understand anyway. But give it some thought, maybe it will come to you eventually.
Thoughts and prayers for the New York Times. Women and minorities hardest hit.
Wow. So democracy just died? What am I gonna do with all those mail in ballots?
I am sure they will still be good in the next election.
Billboard Chris assaulted twice by trans activists in Canada. Canada police watch and laugh and then declare Chris was a mutual combatant despite never fighting back. It is all on video.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/canadian-cops-watch-as-radical-trans-activists-assault-lone-man-defending-kids
Vancouver Police so zero surprises there.
If it was the RCMP acting like that I'd be in full panic mode. Not to say that they wouldn't.
Leftists really should be put down. Then all this can end.
"We mainly only regulate them when they control dangerous systems, like banks, planes, missiles, medical devices, or social media."
So, "social media" is as "dangerous" as missiles and planes?
Oh yeah, I remember that time Facebook attacked and killed everyone in that town in Wisconsin... and when Twitter botched that heart transplant, or more recently, when TicToc robbed that bank...
Planes and missiles are also just tools. How they are used is determined by the people that own and utilize them. Planes don't have motives. Missiles don't have motives.
And as stated above the only regulation i support is contract enforcement maybe leading to disclosure laws, the same types on real estate so people can't hide known defects of properties and such. If a site is advertising no bias, not conditioning and yet they are doing it, yes it can be dangerous. The IC of America has been using informational conditioning and warfare for a century. Government hiding censorship behind informational companies is an actual weapon. Often more beneficial than just a missile.
"If a site is advertising no bias, not conditioning and yet they are doing it, yes it can be dangerous."
Absolutely agree. The fact is that information CAN be dangerous. The problem arises about who has the control to "shape" the information. While I acknowledge "... a site is advertising no bias, not conditioning and yet they are... can be dangerous," I favor leaving it up to myself to "sort the wheat from the chaff," rather than a third party, and doubly so if the third party is the government.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1642506178826575874?t=PBQyZ2-WbIBALMZEEhmZ1Q&s=19
Trans people face rhetoric, disinformation after shooting
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I love the replies acting like Christians/Conservatives don’t condemn the assholes like Dylan Roof.
There was that election in 2020... and just look what that's done to the world.
You can regulate government surveillance. You can even regulate government use of AI, by effectively outlawing use of automated decision making in government: no more IRS fraud detection, etc
You cannot regulate AI in general unless you make the use of computers illegal.
Your first paragraph is completely wrong because there is no one to make government follow the rules. They do what they want. The best you can hope for is an attorney who will get illegally obtained evidence thrown out, and if you can’t you’re fucked. Nothing will happen to the rule breakers.
Nothing will happen to rule breakers who belong to the Democratic Party.
Maybe we should start calling it THE Party.
Or just disband them, give their leaders and money people tribunals, then execute them. Crackdowns for the dumbass democrat masses, plus permanent exile for the troublemakers.
That would work too.
That's why we have separation of powers.
Congress sets the rules.
The executive branch needs to follow them.
The judicial branch adjudicates them.
Congress could regulate the use of AI and of government surveillance more strictly. They simply have chosen not to. Right now, Congress is actively going along with intrusive surveillance.
In reality-land Congress delegated rulemaking power to the executive which executes the rules and has claimed adjudicative powers as well.
Got a problem with an alphabet agency? The judge can't help you and your congressman doesn't care.
Well, Congress has the power. They have chosen not to use it.
But they can use it, which is all I was claiming.
Perhaps what is really needed is some sort of document that lists the few areas where the government is allowed to regulate, and specify that all other areas are for the people.
"Perhaps what is really needed is some sort of document that lists the few areas where the government is allowed to regulate, and specify that all other areas are for the people."
Now THAT would be "Revolutionary!"
Can't wait to see Fiona's extensive coverage. Actually they'd probably be lousy Koch laborers.
https://www.realclearwire.com/articles/2023/03/31/63_christians_face_deportation_back_to_china_149053.html\
63 Christians Face Deportation Back to China
The group of refugees, including 35 children and 28 adults, fled China in 2019 to escape persecution. They initially sought refuge in South Korea and then Thailand while seeking emergency asylum in the United States. But the U.S. State Department and Department of Homeland Security have declined to grant the church members emergency asylum, as it has done for many others, including tens of thousands of Ukrainians fleeing their war-ravaged countries, and the first group of Afghans airlifted into the United States amid the chaotic U.S. evacuation in August 2021.
Fiona is going to be ignoring that so hard she'll need a week to recover after.
Asylum: Fleeing horrible economic conditions brought about by your fellow citizens voting for shitty socialist. (Too bad there’s no where for Americans to immigrate to when the democrats finally exert full control).
Not asylum: Fleeing religious persecution at the hands of socialist totalitarians.
Hmm. I guess Berliners don't want to commit economic suicide after all.
https://notrickszone.com/2023/03/28/body-blow-to-activists-whopping-82-of-berlins-voters-refused-to-support-2030-climate-neutrality/
Last Sunday’s “Berlin Climate Neutrality By 2030” referendum failed resoundingly despite the more than a million euros spent in a massive run-up campaign that included plastering the city with posters, concerts by famous performers, huge support and propaganda by the media and hefty donations coming from left wing activists from the east and west coasts of USA.
Once the dust of the referendum had settled, it emerged that the “yes” side fell way short of the quorum 608,000 votes needed to pass the measure. Only 442,210 cast a vote in favor, which represents only 18% of Berlin’s eligible voters. The activists expected a far greater turnout. 82% refused to lend any support.
This was probably not the referendum to hold after the US blew up their gas pipeline.
It was unnamed Ukrainian dudes in speedos according to unnamed sources.
Poorly fortified election.
You’d think Berliners would know something about fortifications.
They had that wonderful antifascist protection wall for so long...
The funny part is that the Germans think their vote will have any impact on what happens.
It will not. Nobody should really believe otherwise.
Oh hey look -------------> The 'Supreme Law' regulation.
Looks like all the regulation needed was already written a long time ago. Wonder if anyone cares to give it any attention?
"Such surveillance detects not just crime but political protests. For example, Chinese police recently used such data to detain and question people who participated in COVID-19 lockdown protests."
Odd that Ron didn't notice that the Biden regime used the same methods to track down and imprison peaceful protesters after j6.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1642561832245243907?t=IOmvHgTXrLu-SGVgaZ4qng&s=19
All of the announced oil cuts today by OPEC and non-OPEC are 1.649 million bpd.
Russia 500k bpd
Saudi Arabia 500k
Iraq 211k
UAE 144k
Kuwait 128k
Kazakhstan 78k
Algeria 48k
Oman 40k
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Hellooo $50 per gallon gas.
I’m more worried about everyone switching to the petroyuan.
Can you imagine if 81million Americans actually wanted this?
It depresses me that the leadership of this country seems to have zero clue how disastrous this will be for the USA.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1642563257662668802?t=Gx8EGFZ_XyipPCCeudL12g&s=19
Corporations need good Corporate Equality Index scores. This isn't just happening, people.
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All those people a couple of years ago saying that this was just college kids being kooky and would all blow over.
https://twitter.com/AntonioSabatoJr/status/1642503892314255362?t=RqhAsOwdRS3mIqTc3xP5tg&s=19
Biden: “We just have to demonstrate he’ll not take power. But if he does run we’ll make sure under legitimate efforts of constitution doesn’t not become next president again.”
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But if he does run we’ll make sure under legitimate efforts of constitution doesn’t not become next president again.”
Why does it require such a complex and roundabout way of saying "he'll lose the election"?
I don't think he's saying “he’ll lose the election”. It sounds like he's obtusely saying that they won't let him run.
Being held behind bars didn't stop Leonard Peltier from running for president inn2004. He lost receiving only some 20000 votes, but he didn't have Trump's wealth and name recognition.
Now you just need to cook something up on Desantis and you can’t lose!
Imagine if you succeed in jailing the Democratic Party's principal political opponent on a phony misdemeanor charge surrounding an accounting definition. One past the statute of limitations that other prosecutors passed on.
How will the rest of the world view this?
What do you imagine is going to happen in the US? How do you think the 74 million people who voted for Trump react?
Not only are you retards playing with matches, you're too stupid to realize that fire is hot.
"Imagine if you succeed in jailing the Democratic Party’s principal political opponent on a phony misdemeanor charge surrounding an accounting definition. One past the statute of limitations that other prosecutors passed on."
Trump as the Dems principal political opponent? What a joke. How about Leonard Peltier, framed for murder of a couple of FBI thugs and has been behind bars for almost 50 years.
"How will the rest of the world view this?"
Not well Amnesty International is urging you to write to Biden asking him to grant clemency.
"What do you imagine is going to happen in the US? "
I don't really care. South Korea has put at least 3 ex presidents behind bars in the past couple of decades and they're doing fine. It's time 74 million Americans grow up and start acting their age instead of star struck celebrity obsessed crybabies. Get a life assholes!
Witnesses testified that they saw Peltier and other members of AIM at the scene of the shootout, and that they were armed with weapons. Ballistics evidence showed that the gun that Peltier was carrying matched the bullet casings found at the scene of the murders of the two FBI agents. Myrtle Poor Bear testified that she had been with Peltier on the day of the shootout and that she had seen him shoot the two FBI agents.
Seems pretty clear.
Also, shooting people is actually a serious crime; paying off a (maybe) mistress with coffee money to STFU is not.
You don't seriously think Trump is the Democratic party's principal opponent, do you? Opponents put skin in the game, and end up behind bars or worse. See the fate of Fred Hampton, for example.
"Also, shooting people is actually a serious crime;"
Not if you're in the FBI. Then it's business as usual.
"paying off a (maybe) mistress with coffee money to STFU is not."
It's a violation of marriage vows.
The wheels of sarcasm justice turn slowly in the Reason comments, but they do turn.
Especially because it's not like if he flat out said "As VP, I withheld foreign aid without the President's knowledge until the recipient nation stopped investigating the business that employed my son." he would land in hot water or anything.
WTF does that even mean? Sounds like threat to me.
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1642673544055123970?t=sP3345ZVjAvjRYMtJjNQNQ&s=19
Biden: “There’s going to be a second pandemic.”
Umm, ok. Is that the one planned for the 2024 Election, used to justify more mass mail-in votes?
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https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1642560685652553728?t=9h25bQgHr3KxQpZ_WAmBVQ&s=19
This was posted on Facebook yesterday by the Democrat Minority Whip in the Wyoming House of Representatives @Provenza4Wyomin.
Less than a week after a trans person killed three Christian children in Nashville.
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The CEO of OpenAI publicly warned that OTHER companies aren't putting in the "safeguards" that his is. If there is regulation of AI, it will be ushered in by the industry itself.
Never-mind those FBI, DHS, CDC and D.C. goon's sending legal documents there way.
I'm told that's not regulation or intimidation, that's just a business decision.
lol.. Right.. SQRLSY is selling that one on a post just above.
Those business decisions that when not adhered to correctly mystically ends up with a Gov-Gun Agency at their door. Something about a secret gestapo police or something.
So your “fix” for this is to vote for Trump again? Or for Josh Hawley? https://reason.com/2019/03/01/josh-hawley-section-230-big-tech-cpac/ Sen. Josh Hawley Rails Against ‘Big Tech,’ Anti-Conservative Bias, and Section 230
https://reason.com/2019/06/25/the-moral-scolds-new-illiberal-right-internet-hawley-230/ The Moral Scolds of the New Illiberal Right Are Coming For Your Internet
From Sohrab Ahmari to Josh Hawley, what the new right really wants is to squelch free expression.
TRUST in us, just TRUST in us, they say!!!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
How DARE you disagree with MEEEE!!! I’ll GET you for that! And your little dog, too!!!
Take your meds.
230 grains of Trepanazine(TM) delivered intercranially.
I am not sure I understand what is being debated here. If this is simply between whether government should try to regulate A.I. or NOT try to regulate A.I. the answer is quite obvious: government should NOT try - and The People should not LET them try - to regulate A.I. As usual, any attempt by government to regulate development and implementation of new technology will ultimately fail, perhaps spectacularly; and will almost certainly do far more harm in unpredictable ways than the technology they were trying to regulate would have. Moreover, I can't think of a single example of alarmist predictions of catastrophe that actually came true; or a single example of a government effort to regulate new technology that actually prevented the social dislocations that always accompany change. I can think of uncountable examples of unintended negative consequences of almost all of those regulations. It will be what it will be. Developers will continue to develop artificial intelligence systems; government will continue to try to grab power under the guise of protecting people from disaster at the hands of evil corporations and evil enemy governments; there will be both good and bad outcomes from all of that - possibly disastrous and even catastrophic - and yet mankind will continue to thrive, even after temporary setbacks, despite all of that. Or all life as we know it on Planet Earth will go up in smoke.
"Or all life as we know it on Planet Earth will go up in smoke."
That's not an outcome I'd prefer to letting the state try to regulate AI. I'd argue that catastrophes and disasters come not from regulation, but from half assed and contradictory efforts at regulation. Nuclear proliferation, covid19, climate change etc.
I would suggest that half assed and contradictory efforts at regulation are all that government - even totalitarian regimes - can ever manage. Nuclear proliferation, COVID-19, climate change and all the other et ceteras would have been much less catastrophic and disastrous if government had not tried to manage them.
" and all the other et ceteras would have been much less catastrophic and disastrous if government had not tried to manage them."
It's not just government, though. I was referring to state regulation, and government is only part of the state, or the 'deep state' to use the parlance of the times. Like it or not, the state, the deep state, society does manage to successfully efforts for example to ensure cities have access to clean water, without which our survival would be in doubt. Refusal to acknowledge this is simply cheap jack cynicism.
Bailey is in favor of government regulating everything for “the climate”
Greenwald discusses convicted memester ‘Ricky Vonn’
According to the Darren Beattie (guest of Greenwald), THE most important first amendment case in the country right now, as it relates to a statute under which he was prosecuted which is the “Ku Klux Klan” act which was designed to prevent Klan members from “physically interfering” with black people going to the polls.
The interpretation of the statute has now been expanded to include the concept of “disinformation”.
Local story. 1st amendment isn't a libertarian issue.
ENB is devoting her weekend to the Bill Kristol talking points she'll be enlightening the libertarian community (hey, everybody else has a community why not libertarians?) with on Monday. Unless it's a federal holiday. There are only so many hours in the day and Welch sucked up all of the column inches with that baseball thing (OK I didn't actually read it but I saw lots and lots of words). Also it's the weekend and that's prime cocktail party time for DC libertarians. Reason editors are 1A purists. But food trucks, sex workers and Deathsantis are obviously the of more concern to libertarians at the moment.
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https://apprichbaba.blogspot.com/
This bot sounds as poorly programmed as Hank and Sqrlsy.
Better personality though.
Interesting that the "debate" does not define the the term "AI". As a result neither is talking about the other's concerns. In general the evils, as well as the benefits, of any technology depend on how it is applied. Let us worry about the applications, not the technology.
Hey, instead of trying to outlaw the use of AI and other technology that supports government prosecution of endless crimes, how about limiting the definition of criminal behavior and the scope of government oversight?
"...how about limiting the definition of criminal behavior and the scope of government oversight?"
Yes, this! If liberals will STOP being compassionate with MY money, can we get conservatives to STOP being compassionate with MY womb? (Or my wife's or daughter's womb?) This small trade of concessions would go a LONG way!
PLEASE?!?!?!?!
The Voice Of God.
"Even Morgan Freeman spoke out on Tic Toc about the outrageous behavior we are witnessing, “You tell me what the hell is going on. Children are killed in the school, and this fool comes in talking about chocolate chip ice cream; what the hell is going on? I’m Dr. Jill Biden’s husband; we all know that fool; enough already. Get this guy outta there. Two years is enough. Everything costs more, everything is going down the drain, we’re being laughed at around the world, and this fool is talking about his ice cream.”
Yeah that guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6riIwY8nrSs
I wasn't fooled by that voice, even with Freeman's face attached to it. A.I. will have to become a whole lot more sophisticated than that before anyone will believe that Freeman recited that poem on Youtube.
Florida man convicted of 2016 election tampering faces 10 year prison sentence: (March 31, 2023)
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/influencer-convicted-voter-suppression-scheme-98279670
"Prosecutors told jurors during the trial that Mackey urged supporters of then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to 'vote' via text message or social media, knowing that those endorsements were not legally valid votes ... By Election Day in 2016, at least 4,900 unique telephone numbers texted 'Hillary' or something similar to a text number that was spread by multiple deceptive campaign images tweeted by Mackey and co-conspirators, prosecutors said."
Thanks for reminding everyone that Trump isn't the only politician with drooling idiots for supporters.
#AnyoneWhoFellForThatShouldntBeVoting
Of those 4900 phone numbers the Biden regime produced exactly zero voters claiming they were defrauded or deprived of their right to vote.
Hmmmmmmmm. Then his crime seems even less severe.
Wonder if soft-on-crime #FreeTheCriminals / #EmptyThePrisons libertarians will make him their posterboy.
#10HoursCommunityServiceShouldSuffice
soft-on-crime #FreeTheCriminals / #EmptyThePrisons libertarians
haven't actually noticed this guy at all.
#libertariansdefendingjoebidenatallcost
The case was mentioned at Volokh, but I rarely go there.
#LibertariansDefendingTheStolenErections!!!
(I can tell ye all, Stormy Daniels for ONE, is VERY pissed OFF about those Stolen Erections, dammit all!!! It was ALL in HER hands, and FRAUD turned it all into soft, substance-all-stolen MUSH!!! Sidney Powell AGREES, and will say so IN COURT!!! GIVE US ALL OUR HONEST PRO-TRUMP ERECTIONS ***BACK***, DAMMIT!!!)
I know that Sidney Powell's and Stormy Daniels's demands sound kinda horribly HARD-assed, butt, hear me OUT now! A hard bargain is hard to swallow, butt Sidney Powell and Stormy Daniels (along with Trump, we trust) are gonna get UP to the challenges!!! Sidney Powell and Stormy Daniels, just like Donna Rice on Gary Hart on the "Monkey Business", will GET DOWN on the Challenger! (Trump will challenge Biden, again, even though Trump REALLY won the erections that were STOLEN from Him!!!)
Anyway...
"What do Donna Rice and Christa McAuliffe have in common? They both went down on the Challenger." ... Now add to that, Sidney Powell and Stormy Daniels ass well!!! Maybe add Mammary-Fuhrer, AKA Mother's Lament, with a Head Full of Cement, Ass well!
http://home.iscte-iul.pt/~fgvs/Dundes,%20six%20inches.pdf
There are mental health professionals who can help you.
All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!
Take a deep breath
and remember that you don’t have to be crazy forever.
Only the mad and the evil believe in totalitarianism, Madman! Give UP on Your Perfect Evil! Start here!
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
Not certain that is true.
"There are mental health professionals who can help you."
The only thing that can help Shillsy is if he applies 7 grams of Pb directly to the brain.
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More coherent than the "libertarian translator" at any rate.
Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/saudi-arabia-joins-shanghai-cooperation-organization-it-embraces-china
"While the US continues to splinter and cannibalize itself as it turns into a third world country, China is expanding its zone of economic and military influence that covers virtually all global commodity producers as it prepares for the next stage in the Sino-US cold war.
On Wednesday, Saudi Arabia's cabinet approved a decision to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, as Riyadh builds a long-term partnership with China despite - or perhaps due to - US security concerns. Saudi Arabia has approved a memorandum on granting the kingdom the status of a dialogue partner in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), state news agency SPA said.
The SCO is a political and security union of countries spanning much of Eurasia, including China, India and Russia. Formed in 2001 by Russia, China and former Soviet states in Central Asia, the body has been expanded to include India and Pakistan, with a view to playing a bigger role as counterweight to Western influence in the region. Iran also signed documents for full membership last year."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/03/30/china-s-lending-to-developing-nations-is-no-threat-to-the-dollar-yet/5cd539d4-cf38-11ed-8907-156f0390d081_story.html
for below
Uncle Buck rules the world.
So much cope.
Japan is now buying oil from Russia above the price cap.
Shrike is the kind of motherfucker who would have been on one of the life boats looking back at the Titanic with its ass in the air saying “The ship is fine and can’t be sunk.”
While rocking said lifeboat side to side.
The Harmonic Convergence of Global Asshole Regimes.
King Dollar has no competition:
”Time and again, the dollar’s demise has been predicted. There’s often been a tinge of anti-Americanism, and envy, to prognostications. That sentiment runs up against some hard size and scope. About 60% of central bank reserves are in dollars, around half of cross-border loans and international debt is denominated in greenbacks. More than 80% of daily foreign-exchange trading involves the dollar. A frequent question at Peterson last week was along the lines of: What kind of US disaster would it take to kick the dollar addiction? One arch response was that DC messes up all the time, but there isn’t a plausible alternative. Yet. Enter China. While it isn’t trying to supplant the Fed, it does want to chip away at Pax Americana. The IMF’s power isn’t untrammeled, and China has boosted its international lending considerably. Credit is a major prong in the long campaign to establish a meaningful role in global finance to complement its heft in manufacturing and exports. More than 20 nations have received $240 billion in rescue money since 2000, according to new research by a quartet of economists drawn from the World Bank and academia on both sides of the Atlantic. The majority of the largesse was extended in the past five years. The bulk took the form of swap lines from the People’s Bank of China. High-profile borrowers include Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Argentina. Each happens to be matter strategically. But it would be a mistake to see this expansion as another milestone in a quest by China to best the West. It may be shadowing the IMF and its biggest shareholder, the US Treasury, but Beijing won’t outdo them. It’s more a desire to lock in support for the Belt and Road initiative among countries that warmed to Chinese investment under the project’s umbrella.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/03/30/china-s-lending-to-developing-nations-is-no-threat-to-the-dollar-yet/5cd539d4-cf38-11ed-8907-156f0390d081_story.html
Pax Americana is far superior to Trump NatCom provincialism.
What happened to limited government? Replaced with Christian nationalism …. As a third generation Idahoan, a firm believer in individual rights and limited government, it shocks and appalls me to no end what the Idaho State Legislature is choosing to do with their time and our taxpayer dollars. Our government is abusing the powers of the state to infringe on teachers, women’s rights and the LGTBQ community via Christo-fascist groups such as The Idaho Family Policy Center, whose President Blaine Conzatti stated that the group’s goal is for the government to follow biblical law. Last time I checked, this is America. The Establishment Clause in the First Amendment in our beloved Constitution states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. That means: There is no “biblical law”, and it is not “religious freedom” to use one religion to tyrannize and control those who do not believe as you do. Mr. Conzatti isn’t even originally from Idaho — he’s from Washington state. I love Idaho, and I cannot tolerate the zealotry of some of these out-of-state usurpers who have infiltrated our government and then want to use Christianity as a cudgel to take away our bodily autonomy and individual rights. It’s time to take back Idaho! Stacy Kriz, McCall
Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article273821520.html#storylink=cpy
Unfortunately Stacy, limited government is dead. We have two Big gov parties now.
People still keep telling me red states are being ruined by blue staters moving there. Truth is we have been in a big sort where conservatives are the ones moving to red states.
Why wouldn’t they want to be around such wonderful people?
I can’t imagine why someone might have a problem with killing humans, or teachers thinking they can keep things from parents of students, or feeding some teens delusions.
Must just be Christo-Fascism. It’s the only explanation.
Sounds like insurrection talk to me.
And you know what the government does to them.
Enforce the NAP prohibit government from initiating force and none of this matters. It's amazing how little this libertarian site talks about liberty.
This site is about trying to make liberty palatable to leftists.
Never happen. The left used to fight The Man, now they are The Man.
How aggressively should the NAP be enforced, and by whom?
And if some tyrannical regime uses human slave labor to build AI that does evil things, the slave labor is responsible and deserves no pity, right? Even if the slave labor covertly sabotages the evil done by the AI, right?
Important if true…
Another Girondin faces the guillotine.
https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-dei-director-canceled-by-dei
A.I. software isn't that much different from other software. I've been arguing that very point, ever since I installed Lotus Notes, version 1.0.
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