Christopher Rufo Wants To Shut Down 'Activist' Academic Departments. Here's Why He's Wrong.
"Professors are not mouthpieces for the government," says FIRE's Joe Cohn. "For decades, the Supreme Court of the United States has defended professors' academic freedom from governmental intrusion."

In an essay published this week in City Journal, conservative activist Christopher Rufo argued that universities—or rather, the state legislatures governing these universities—should shut down "activist" academic departments. But rather than protecting higher education, forcibly shutting down left-wing academic departments would be nothing more than routine censorship.
Rufo argued that conservatives don't have to sit idly by while "activist academic departments that push left-wing ideology in the guise of dispassionate scholarship" grow at American universities. "The activist disciplines are not inevitable, and decline is always, in part, a choice—one that can be reversed with sufficient courage, insight, and will," he wrote.
"Conservatives have an opportunity to move beyond critique and enact meaningful reforms that will restore the pursuit of truth as the telos of America's public universities," Rufo continued. State legislators, he argued, "should propose the abolition" of activist academic departments.
Rather than being a novel concept, Rufo argued that there is precedent for these kinds of closures. He gave two examples: the closure of the University of California, Berkeley's criminology department in 1974, and the shuttering of the University of Chicago's education department in 1998.
However, neither case involved state legislatures. Regarding Berkeley, Rufo wrote that "Chancellor Albert Bowker shut down the entire School of Criminology, ignoring large-scale student demonstrations, which supporters described as 'militant and spirited.'" According to Rufo, "Bowker justified the closure by citing the need to make budget cuts due to an economic recession, but the political subtext was clear: the radical criminologists had degraded the university's scholarly mission."
The story is similar at the University of Chicago. According to Rufo, "in 1996, after a formal review, the dean of the social science division, Richard Saller, recommended that the university close down the department, citing 'uneven' research and 'low expectations.' It was officially shuttered soon afterward."
In both instances, an academic department was shut down by university leaders themselves, who decided that a particular department was no longer serving the university's mission. Rather than government mandates, these instances—while perhaps colored by the political valence of the departments' scholarship—seem more like routine university self-governance than the state-led crusade Rufo is calling for.
"Administrators, faculty, and students can advance left-wing ideology in their private capacity," Rufo wrote, "but the First Amendment is not an entitlement to state support and taxpayer subsidies." Rather, "legislators have an opportunity to abolish academic programs, such as critical race theory, ethnic studies, queer theory, gender studies, and intersectionality, that do not contribute to the production of scholarly knowledge but serve as taxpayer-funded sinecures for activists who despise the values of the public whom they are supposed to serve," he claimed.
But Rufo is plain wrong, both in his legal argument and in his appeal that academic censorship can be justified as "part of the normal course of business."
"The argument is incorrect. Professors are not mouthpieces for the government. For decades, the Supreme Court of the United States has defended professors' academic freedom from governmental intrusion," Joe Cohn, legislative and policy director at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), tells Reason. "As the Supreme Court wrote in Keyishian v. Board of Regents: 'Our Nation is deeply committed to safeguarding academic freedom, which is of transcendent value to all of us and not merely to the teachers concerned. That freedom is therefore a special concern of the First Amendment, which does not tolerate laws that cast a pall of orthodoxy over the classroom.'"
Rufo also fails to consider how easily his ideas could backfire. "Political winds can change and the targets of censorship predictably change with them," says Cohn. "As FIRE has long warned, do not fall in love with the club that will be used to beat you over the head."
Unfortunately, Rufo's ideas aren't hypothetical. In recent months, several legislative efforts—most notably in Florida—have attempted to quash professors' academic freedom. "Legislative initiatives like the STOP Woke Act and HB 999 seek to use the power of the state to shut down speech and scholarship on politically disfavored views," adds Cohn. "These efforts cannot be squared with our longstanding national commitment to academic freedom."
An argument supporting censorship in the name of "the pursuit of truth as the telos of America's public universities," as Rufo claimed, is ultimately shortsighted. Not only does Rufo fail to see how the powers he would give the government could be wielded against his ideological allies, but he also fails to see how censorship ultimately runs counter to the same American values he claims to support.
"Professors must be able to teach, conduct research, and publish scholarship without fear of viewpoint-based retribution from the government," says Cohn. "And students must be able to learn from faculty who are not muzzled by the state."
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"legislators have an opportunity to abolish academic programs, such as critical race theory, ethnic studies, queer theory, gender studies, and intersectionality, that do not contribute to the production of scholarly knowledge but serve as taxpayer-funded sinecures for activists who despise the values of the public whom they are supposed to serve,"
Or legislators could stop government guaranteed student loans and make students responsible for paying for college. That would incentivize students to get degrees with practical applications, and disincentivize universities from offering majors that don't give the student a practical way to pay for their schooling.
Is that something state legislatures can do? Not that I disagree mind you. The free money spigot is part of the reason the cancer has consumed the body.
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I'm sure the state does plenty to incentivize useless majors, though you're probably right on the loans.
Perhaps the appropriate thing that a State can do is remove it's tax-payer subsidy for these programs.
If the University of Florida at Crotchwater wants to have a humanities department that teaches the evil of whitey, then Florida residents will have to pay out-of-state rates to consume that education.
Is it religious freedom to hijack higher learning to coerce our youth to either become indoctrinated or forfeit their careers?
There is a fundamental conflict of interest between the government agencies that own and operate educational institutions and the First Amendment rights of teachers and professors. Academic freedom is one step away from the right to freedom of speech and comes into direct conflict sometimes with the right of employers to contract with employees who contribute to the mission of the enterprise. Even Rufo recognizes the right of professors to speak their (left-wing) opinions in public, but this does not translate automatically into academic freedom and I totally disagree with the Justice who held that the First Amendment protects privately employed professors and their research.
If it’s a private university, I don’t really care what the policies are, but the idea that professors AREN’T “ mouthpieces for the government” at public universities is utterly asinine.
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The argument that the universities themselves can rein this shit in themselves ignores the fact that the left has taken over university governance. There is no chance that they're going to halt their own gravy train, and they get paid with tax dollars.
I have given up. Fuck this shit and fuck those people. Make them get jobs that people will pay them to do with their own money.
Rufo also fails to consider how easily his ideas could backfire. "Political winds can change and the targets of censorship predictably change with them,"
While this is usually a valid point, the fact is that the Bolsheviks are currently in full control. it's a scorched earth victory for them in public academia. The winds cannot change to be more in their favor. They can only change back.
Emma's just a social justice warrior, like all communists, klansmen, and nazis whose footsteps she follows in.
That's klanswoman you bigot.
"That’s klanswoman you bigot"
Incorrect, that is Klansperson.
"klansthem / klansthey"
Klansit?
She’s a campus leftist, by her own admission.
I’m personally unimpressed with academic freedom and academia in general. I don’t see why taxpayer paid elitists somehow have first amendment rights that other employees don’t enjoy. If they have a racist theory to sell they can publish a book at their own expense and see if anybody buys it. Why am I paying for this crap.
I like the idea of academic freedom. But I'm not sure it exists at most universities these days. So I come back to let's start with firing all the administrators and replace them with people who actually value academic freedom for all.
I dont think it's unfair for state govs to look at the budget and have questions about where it goes.
"Look we have you eleventy billion dollars to produce and run an institution of higher learning and you've got 14 departments of various flavors of useless woke studies. I'm going to pass a law forcing you to get rid of that shit, pronto."
Seems reasonable . I dont understand the problem here.
If you want to go major in transgender equity studies or whatever go to Brown and spend your own money.
"ah and I see here you have 248 full time employees dedicated to diversity, inclusion, and other shit unrelated to anything of value at an institution of higher learning. they all gotta go. With those salaries saved we can cut tuition in half. Your kids can thank me later."
Might help to lower costs too. Turn it back into an educational institution instead of an overpriced resort for activists.
The intent of academic freedom is to prevent them from being purged over their opinions. Now it seems like the purge happens before tenure, resulting in ideological conformity.
...which suggests that the approach is to prevent academics from being discriminated against on grounds of their political beliefs. I don't see how not allowing a university to reject a candidate because they wouldn't sign a DEI statement in advance of hiring, for example, would violate academic freedom. Quite the contrary.
I don’t see how not allowing a university to reject a candidate because they wouldn’t sign a DEI statement in advance of hiring, for example, would violate academic freedom.
Because DEI is a politically-aligned program that amounts to a loyalty oath when looking at hiring candidates. The whole pretense is based on buffet of false dichotomies, including oppression vs liberation, critical consciousness vs. false consciousness, and "the people" vs. "power." It’s quite literally this passage as administrative policy:
Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right, and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word. The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger…Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is inextreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs.
If you want to know why the modern left is in such a perpetual state of catastrophism, and is fully intolerant of anything which does not align with them 100 percent politically, it’s becuase they’ve fully internalized that exhortation in the last 15-20 years.
https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1636815287419846664?t=2JiXvjqvsblAOjSUbx_2_w&s=19
In a Wall Street Journal oped, Judge Kyle Duncan says that one protester screamed: “We hope your daughters get raped!”
This corroborates the account of Tim Rosenberger, Stanford's Federalist Society president, who described that exact exchange yesterday.
There are now multiple on the record sources indicating that a protester said, to a sitting federal judge: "we hope your daughters get raped."
Not a single protester has been disciplined in any way.
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And nothing else happened.
Indeed. Promote the Stanford law school DEI dean to nationwide inspector of political correctness. That will promote academic freedom, won't it.
The intent of academic freedom is to prevent them from being purged over their opinions. Now it seems like the purge happens before tenure, resulting in ideological conformity.
It actually starts right at the hiring process. The hiring committees are typically brigaded by far-left marxist professors who will deliberately eliminate anyone who might have conservative political leanings during the interview selection process.
The requirement to include DEI statements in resumes and CVs is one example of how they've very deliberately set up the system for the benefit of their own political ideology.
sarcasmic's 3 months of culinary school at Bangor Community College qualify him as an expert on university practices, if not on Cuban sandwiches.
There is nothing more opposed to academic freedom than critical theory.
Exactly! It's not like faculty are individually in control of their content. The "left" establishment wields their control with a heavy hand, so really this "First Amendment" freedom in practice belongs solely to a narrow elite in command at tax-supported institutions. They install people who would hew to their line, and in cases where they subsequently don't hew to their line, they get the heave-ho.
Perhaps a better approach would be to fire all the administrators and replace those who are actually useful and necessary with people not steeped in left-wing academia.
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Firing administrators would first require repealing the laws and policies that they exist to enforce.
It's like do we have a cop problem or a law problem? Do we have an administrator problem or a policy problem?
Why? Why would it be required to do it in that order?
Cause and effect. The laws and policies are the cause. The administrators are the effect. Get rid of the effect and the cause remains. Get rid of the laws and policies, and there's no need to employ people to administer them.
Sure, but if you fire or disband the people enforcing the rules, the rules become de facto moot, even if not de jure.
I'm saying that if the job of these people is to enforce things that are written down, and we get rid of those things that are written down, then they can't point to anything written down that justifies their job.
If you're going to say that they'll just do it anyway, then I don't see much point in having a conversation about it.
"If you’re going to say that they’ll just do it anyway, then I don’t see much point in having a conversation about it."
That is the opposite of what I'm saying.
Here's another way to look at it.
Do we have a police problem or a law problem?
Defunding police departments doesn't get rid of the laws that empower them to be assholes.
Now if criminal law was limited to acts of force or fraud that deprive others of life, liberty or property, then I doubt we'd have a policing problem. Or a prison population problem.
So you'd be OK with a law that made it illegal for racist black cops to shoot unarmed white women in the face for trespassing, right drunky?
You’re at least tangential to the ‘but…… but…… TRUMP!’ exception to due process and liberty.
I don't think that many of the positions are absolutely required by law.
In any case, I said start with them because that seems much more clearly an action that is appropriate for the state legislature to take.
Laws do require the adoption of certain policies, and that creates administrative positions. Sure they don't specifically say they have to hire people. But they may as well.
Sure, but I don't think that accounts for all of the administrative bloat by a long shot.
You're not wrong. And your idea of firing admins to make the policies de facto nullified is a decent, short-time fix. But that is not a suitable long-term resolution.
Which law was passed that required a higher ratio of administrators to students than professors to students you stupid drunken piece of shit?
Who's going to fire the administrators?
For a state U, it seems like something the state might have some power over.
Coal, wood or propane for the firings?
>>"Political winds can change and the targets of censorship predictably change with them,"
in colleges? winds 100 years strong in one direction
^this
I have absolutely NO concern about any actions taken now that could be abused later to benefit the left in academia. They are already as powerful as they can possibly be. There is nothing more they can do to punish the opposition.
I think the point is that when the political winds change and the opposite party takes power in the legislature; they enforce laws that either undo or change what the previous dominant party did.
So you end up with this see-saw back and forth. If the now dominant GOP FL legislature/governor fires a bunch of 'woke' admin positions and college deans as well as professors and replaces them with ideologically similar people as well as passes laws that allow all that...then 4 or 7yrs yrs later a dem controlled legislature/governor fires all of them and puts in their ideologically similar people you just go back and forth. In the end, nobody wants to work in higher ed in FL because their is no job stability and everybody is stupid.
And? I'm not seeing the downside of diminishing college.
In the end, nobody wants to work in higher ed in FL because their is no job stability and everybody is stupid.
This would be a fantastic outcome if nobody wants to work in public universities anymore. We should be actively trying to eliminate all public involvement in education at all levels.
I mean, leftist are welcome to take over the legislatures and ban the teaching of history and capitalism, but I don’t think college will last long in that scenario either.
Looks like that Dog Dick Community College education really paid off for you, shreek.
I know the Supreme Court has wobbled on this point where state colleges and universities are concerned - but to my mind, there's no 1st Amendment issue when the state censors *itself.*
What state employees say to the public while on the clock *is* the state's speech - whether the employee is a policeman, an ombudsman answering the public's calls at City Hall, or an instructor at a K-16+ govt-run school.
How exactly *does* the government speak, if not through the people who work for it (or contractors, or the computer programs written by people?).
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"I'm concerned you're...encouraging anyone who has a large deposit at a community bank to say, 'we're not going to make you whole, but if you go to one of our preferred banks, we will make you whole," Lankford said.
"That is certainty not something that we’re encouraging," Yellen replied.
"A bank only gets that treatment" under the systemic risk exception rule, Yellen continued, explaining that it takes a 'supermajority' vote to do so.
Only banks used by wealthy democrat donors get saved.
Or towns that need environmental cleanup.
Guillotines are the nice solution.
Anything less is no solution at all.
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This is fine.
Let's have a look and see behind the Davos curtain on their schemes to "redesign" our currency now that it seems more potentially really real than ever.
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Guys, look. Their totalitarian tool "could result" in something that sounds awesome. COULD RESULT. Sell the dream; service the nightmare.
Will it be a good way to live? Protect liberty? LOL, no. CBDC will be carefully designed to be "a bridge to greater financial inclusion," which is a euphemism for socialist wealth redistribution under Woke Cultural Marxism. "Self-custody" and "strong privacy" are specialist terms
James! You're exaggerating again!
No I'm not. It's a project being funded by the very honorable and trustworthy Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to solve the problem of how existing money fails "society's most vulnerable members." It's socialist financial engineering.
Their goal isn't a better financial system in terms of overall assessment. It's a more "inclusive" system that serves their definition of "the public interest" (so, socialism enforced through a new programmable "currency").
Eyes on tracking financial data trails!
Custody: who actually controls your money? Plus a little "that's a nice bank you have there; it would be a shame if something happened to it" signal.
This is a launching off point for how they're appropriating the lessons of Bitcoin to deeply control you through custody.
This all looks very complicated. Good thing their expertise is here to protect us all!
Not a lot of answers here, but they want you to know that having full control over your own money is risky.
Sidebar: their little promos for more articles always crack me up. They're destroying and consolidating it under their own control (ESG), LOL.
Not a lot of answers, but whatever the answers are, they'd better be Woke Socialist.
Friendly reminder: CBDCs = elites having total control of your life. The WEF doesn't just know this; it's coordinating it.
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Here's why he's right:
They aren't academics anymore. No one is learning anything of any use, there is no discovery of truth, there is no science. Shut them down.
Or move them to the Religious Studies wing.
But in any case, Rufo’s idea would merely affect the jobs of some marginal academics. The “mainstream” departments – history, literature, political science, possibly STEM – would continue to teach the stuff he deplores.
For that matter, it might even be the case that gender-studies professors who lose their jobs will simply get new jobs in the Engllish or history departments.
^chemjeff2
Sigh, unlike chemjeff 1.0, I find it boring to keep coming back for repeated abuse.
I admitted I misunderstood you when you linked to a post by a neoconfederate who said the Civil War wasn’t about slavery (and where the post itself proudly showed a Confederate flag), and I mistakenly thought you were agreeing with that thesis. I thought you needlessly amplified that thesis, but I admitted that such was not your purpose.
I acknowledged the difference between criticizing the North and defending the South, and I acknowledged that your purpose was the former and not the latter.
To quote Homer Simpson, there’s only so many times I can say I’m sorry and still mean it.
Yet here you are concern trolling efforts against race essential marxism...
What? I suggested the remedy would have to be even more radical, not less.
Of course abolish the “___ Studies” departments. *Plus,* let DeSantis put his people on the governing boards so they can hire better faculty, not to mention encouraging forms of education which don’t involve learning racist and un-American stuff (whether from “Studies” departments or regular departments).
But you’ve got your story (your narrative) and you’re sticking to it.
And do the left-wing shills at Volokh accuse chemjeff of being a right-wing shill? Because that's what they say of me.
Leftist accusations of being "right wing" carry 0 weight whatsoever. Reason gets accused of being "right wing" all the time, and it's laughable. Leftists lie, and are fundamentally psychotic. One of their techniques to control the Overton window, and lie to present their position as objective truth, is to accuse left leaning people/publications/ideas of being "right wing".
"But in any case, Rufo’s idea would merely affect the jobs of some marginal academics. The “mainstream” departments – history, literature, political science, possibly STEM – would continue to teach the stuff he deplores.
For that matter, it might even be the case that gender-studies professors who lose their jobs will simply get new jobs in the Engllish or history departments."
If this isn't concern trolling, it's not clearly delineated. Reads to me like you're saying there's no point to Rufo's measures because the leftist perspective is just how things are. But if you're saying further action must be taken to eliminate the scenario you describe, I can get with you there.
As a measure of good faith, I'll extend you "chemjeff-2 probation" and will interpret unclear or 50/50 statements in a non chemjeff2 direction unless a comment strays into definitive chemjeff perspective.
That’s only fair, since I gave you the benefit of the doubt right away about that neoconfederate link of yours, as soon as you assured me I misunderstood you.
To satisfy your interest in my non-chemjeff-ness, and to forewarn you of when I might wander off the Reason-commenter reservation, I'll list a few items from my political *credo.*
-There are nice progressives, but as an ism, progressivism is a pestilence, growing (so to speak) *progressively* worse
-As a not-progressive, then in terms of current political taxonomy, I'm conservative.
-But I've given up on worrying about what "true conservatives" ought to believe and am focusing on what I think is right, and if some people of other political tendencies happen to agree with me (usually for different reasons) then so be it.
-Libertarianism is a philosophical error, in the sense that there *is* such a thing as too little government. The common good should be the measure of good policy, not individualism.
-However, the problems we have now include government getting WAY too big, not too small. As in Huxley's dystopia, individual freedom is only allowed in the area of self-pleasuring and "sexual self-expression," and even there we're moving from making it optional to making it compulsory.
-At least in its Mises Caucus form, libertarianism has some important critiques against the establishment.
-Social justice is a perfectly valid concept, though it's been perverted and twisted beyond recognition by the progressives.
Take it or leave it.
In the (unlikely) event chemjeff says something I agree with, I will note my agreement.
Good enough start
I think you're mistaking libertarianism for anarchism. Which I will fully admit to having cranked myself all the way over to, and then realized that I'm an engineer and not a physicist, and dragged myself back to libertarianism.
Libertarians still want a government, just a much smaller one. Anarchists want no government at all. Though, fuck, gimme a few more years and I might go Full Republican.
"But I don't want *any* state!"
"State, state, state, state, statity state, wonderful state..."
"BLOODY VIKINGS!"
In my humble view, even a non-anarchist, nigh-watchman state would be too little government because [trigger alert: Reason-commenter heresy coming] government’s proper role goes beyond the aptly-named NAP.
Filling such gaps as may be found in society’s safety net (not replacing that safety net), workers’ comp, a certain degree of promotion of unions, antimonopoly, aiding parents who can’t afford a proper education for their children, etc. – the NAP doesn’t cover these, but I support them anyway.
So why am I here? I don’t know, but maybe because what we have now is out-and-out statolatry – the duopoly worhipping at the altar of government even while one half of the duopoly brands itself as the party of free markets and the other half claims we’re still not governed enough.
Those who don’t like the current statolatry and allied forces can join with libertarians for the moment, with the understanding that if y’all actually achieve your night-watchman state, the likes of me will oppose you.
When do you think y’all can get us that night-watchman state, so I can go into opposition?
PS - our "postliberals" have a good critique of the current set-up, but their rantings about the Libertarian Menace leave me unmoved. Uncle Sam is too fat, and he's getting warnings about anorexia?
>>Engllish
beware employment offered in this department
Academic freedom is not ideological indoctrination.
A professor of English should not be teaching Marxist worldview.
A math instructor should not be lecturing about racism.
Required courses should not have an unrelated ideological bent.
That we have to make laws to stop this shows how the right has ignored it and the left has come to rely on this specific indoctrination procedure.
The moron writing this article praising the moron who tried to assert the importance of this indoctrination process and that moron himself are both victims of it. They have barely any ability to think outside the restraints they have been taught to think within.
These monsters must be stopped because the day is coming when woke physicians withhold treatment to make someone pay for the sins of their distant ancestors.
I've taken plenty of math classes and all we talked about was math. Though I did take some core English class where the teacher was a graduate student in wemenz studeez. Topics included the political impact of Madonna and the movie "Thelma and Louise." Ugh.
Most core classes exist to employ the otherwise useless staff who teach them. If majors only required the classes that actually applied to them you could shave a couple years off most degrees.
In the last 8 years or so?
“I’ve taken plenty of math classes and all we talked about was math... Topics included the political impact of Madonna and the movie “Thelma and Louise.””
So 30 years ago or more. Things might have changed a bit.
How does math get woke at a college level? C'mon. Be realistic. If someone wants to avoid the bullshit they can still study classes about things that work or do not work.
Who moved the rock, sarc?
What was the point of bringing up your ancient college experience?
How does math get woke? It doesn’t. That’s the point. They’re lecturing on wokeness instead of teaching the math.
Jesus christ, inform yourself a bit before vomiting up inanities. You're better than what you've become.
How does math get woke? It doesn’t. That’s the point. They’re lecturing on wokeness instead of teaching the math.
Exactly. Even the STEM departments are employing Paolo Freire's and Henry Giroux's pedagogical methods now. Hell, those teachers at your elementary, middle, and high schools? Their training curriculums are STEEPED in that shit, which emphasizes political agitation and promotes the student-teacher relationship as one of instructional equals (if you ever heard that inane "I learned just as much from my students as they learned from me," they are parroting Freirean pedagogy), over actually teaching the subject matter at hand. That's why actual student performance rates on standardized tests for reading and math are the absolute drizzling shits, 40-70 percent of college freshmen need remedial courses to catch up, and administrators are hiding accomplishments like awards of merit scholarships from students who earned them, in the name of "equity."
Meeting young architecture and engineering students at my college alma mater's job fair and having them ask me about our company's DEI and ESG programs/policies was extremely disappointing.
I kinda wish I could get on a jury at my architecture alma mater just so I could ask that in reverse and see how many of the students actually had an answer prepared. I think it would be very instructional on how much I should give them at contribution time.
Also, how the fuck does DIE and ESG promote the safety and welfare of the public as they interact with the built environment?
DIE and ESG should be in the ‘fuck that shit’ category at all companies.
Lmfao. No. No he isn't. He's a drunken piece of shit liar who is pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for any of his myriad personal failures, which is why he was a homeless criminal in his youth and then became an abusive father and husband until his wife finally divorced him and got custody of their children because she demonstrated conclusively to a judge in family court that he was unstable, for which sarcasmic still periodically seethes like the pathetic little impotent faggot bitch he is and calls her a "cunt" to random strangers on the internet. sarcasmic is the lowest form of shit that exists in this universe. He barely scrapes the threshold of sentience required to make it a crime to kill him.
Well, you're an old fart. Modern mathematics education looks like this:
And there are no right or wrong answers. This idea of seeding math with marxism is bizarre but essentially just pollical commissars..DIE shit is just bolshevism in another name. It needs to be burned to the ground. All of it...liberty over equity..
Reason needs to get on the train..DeSantis will destroy the bolshies...a great victory for liberty
I hold no hope that any politician will destroy them, even though it’s what needed to be done.
He also never attended college and spent most of his youth itinerant and homeless by his own admission, so there's that.
Nor does he have a wife, children, or likely even a home.
One should never confuse Math Education with Mathematics. Mathematics is generally taught by folk with degrees in Mathematics... while MathEd is math appreciation by those whose ass was warming chairs in a College of Education.
At Le Cordon Bleu? Or was this during your graduate-level computer science training where you missed the lecture on HTML tags and had to go ask the Glibertarians how to use basic text formatting?
You could literally fire every single 'grievance studies' professor in the country, dismantle those departments, expel the students enrolled in such nonsense, and then turn around and do the exact same thing to the DEI staff.
The country would be better off, and those students would be just as employable.
Start with the DIE staff.
The country would be better off, and those students would be
just as*more* employable.FIFY
Oh, and they would benefit by having less student loan debt.
"'Conservatives have an opportunity to move beyond critique and enact meaningful reforms that will restore the pursuit of truth as the telos of America's public universities,"'
I am unconvinced that Rufos, or any other individual, or any group of individuals, have a any particular, unique grasp of the "truth." The whole point of education is to compare, discuss, and otherwise discover what truths might exist in any given viewpoint. I think they used to call it the "Socratic Method."
I used to open up a composition class with a simple question written on the board: 2 + 2 = 4, True or False?
I used to open up a composition class with a simple question written on the board: 2 + 2 = 4, True or False?
Yup.
One can hope the proponents of lysenkoism reap the consequences of their pretentious midwittery
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People like Rufos and his supporters are envisioning progressives and socialists being protected by "academic freedom", but the other side of the coin is, say, Jordan Peterson at the University of Toronto, arguing against C-16.
It isn't always progressives and socialists protected by academic freedom and tenure.
"It isn’t always progressives and socialists protected by academic freedom and tenure."
Ya think????
So?
And I’m not being flippant here. How many articles has Robby written about conservative/libertarian leaning professors getting reprimanded, censured, etc. by administrators because they hurt some snowflakes feelings?
So conservative and libertarian professors already don’t have any real sense of academic freedom. Not that that should be a thing at PUBLIC universities.
Jfc
"I used to open up a composition class with a simple question written on the board: 2 + 2 = 4, True or False?"
How would that be false?
It isn't. Unless one thinks that that the second "2" is younger than the first one, which would mean they have a different values.
Obviously, the students knew there had to be a "catch" to the question. I used it to make the point that my composition course was a little different than they might have been used to, and I was going to work more on critical thinking rather than, for instance, paragraph structure. I think they call it "thinking outside the box" or something like that.
We saw the modern version of the Socratic method recently when some Stanford law students invited a Federal judge to give a talk. And we see the modern version of the scientific method in action when we are told "the science is settled" on "the climate catastrophe".
Sometimes, just sometimes, the old ways were better, but SHUT UP, they explained loudly.
"We saw the modern version of the Socratic method recently when some Stanford law students invited a Federal judge to give a talk..."
Yep. Nobody ever said it was the "easy way."
academic freedom, which is of transcendent value
Academic freedom is anything but transcendental, it exists here solely at our discretion.
With talk like that, you'd almost think that Universities were a relic of religious feudalism that had no respect for Free Speech *or* Separation of Church and State.
"And students must be able to learn from faculty who are not muzzled by the state."
Of course not. The faculty are muzzled by the administration at the behest of the students.
More ?blessings? of Commie-Education.
Commie-Education as all Communism doesn't fit with Individual Liberty. In Commie systems there has to be a Gov-Gun packing dictator in charge.
The ignored but CORE issue is who in the F sold the idea that it took Gov---->GUNS to teach anyways?
Are these public universities or private ones that Rufo is targeting?
Presumably he's only leaving out the ones that felt completely free to completely ignore the "Dear Colleagues" letter and/or violate any other part of the CRA.
Are the students, the primary customers of the universities, kids or adults?
For any particular Florida public university we are discussing, how much of their budget comes from:
– Endowments, perhaps dating back to land-grant days;
– Endowments from private contributions and investments, patents;
– Tuition;
– State, tax-based funding;
– Federal funding;
– Income from sports teams.
It ain’t as simple as “oh, the tax payers pay for everything, so they should have complete control”.
“In order to achieve excellence through teaching students, advancing research and providing public service for the benefit of Florida’s citizens, their communities and economies, *the people* [emphasis added] hereby establish a system of governance for the state university system of Florida….
“In order to achieve excellence and to provide access to undergraduate education to the students of this state; to originate articulated pathways to a baccalaureate degree; to ensure superior commitment to teaching and learning; and to respond quickly and efficiently to meet the demand of communities by aligning certificate and degree programs with local and regional workforce needs, *the people* [emphasis added] hereby establish a system of governance for the state college system of Florida.”
https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Constitution#A9S07
Governing boards are set up in the state Constitution, though on a quick read I don’t see that they’re immunized from legislative regulation. Anyway, when DeSantis puts his appointees [like Rufo] on one of the governing boards, there’s squawking anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/29/ron-desantis-florida-university-new-college-woke-war
Of course they *can* do it. I’m addressing whether they *should* do it.
I’m making a normative argument not a positive one.
It's not just the people-as-taxpayers who are in control here; it's the people-as-(quasi)-sovereign.
If a private party gives $ to the University, or if the university earns $, it's with the condition that the University still remains accountable to the mechanisms of republican government.
You are still arguing that they *can* do it. Please make your argument why they *should* do it.
"to achieve excellence through teaching students, advancing research and providing public service for the benefit of Florida’s citizens, their communities and economies"
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
/US Constitution, Art. IV, Sec. 4
Excellence by having partisan committee members micromanaging what academics and their adult students are allowed to study?
You are back to making an argument that they have the power to make rules for the universities. I don’t dispute that.
I am making arguments about whether they should, whether it is desirable or wise to do so.
Suppose, hypothetically of course, that some university in the Florida system is pursuing bad teaching, or not acting “for the benefit of Florida’s citizens, [and] their communities.” Then at the very least the appropriate governing boards – which, horrors, are politically appointed, can step in to pursue what under the state constitution are legitimate political objectives.
But there's was much flipping out, wailing and gnashing of teeth, when DeSantis put Rufo and like-minded people on the New College board, even as they acknowledged that, sure, maybe the situation at the New College was less than stellar. But those icky fascists won't make things any better! (/sarc, for nardz's benefit)
Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. also never had any complaints about public oversight of the universities when the ratchet was going only in one direction. Isn't it odd that this is now, suddenly, one of the prime issues of his life in a state where he doesn't live?
Then it should be pretty fucking easy for those universities to eschew their public funding and become independent of the state, thereby avoiding having to be accountable to the taxpayers via their representatives, right Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.?
It probably matters less than you might think, since even private universities receive massive government subsidies and are arbiters of government-approved and government-mandated degree and licensing requirements.
That is, even nominally "private" universities, effectively are parts of the state, financed by the state, and empowered by the state.
“Professors are not mouthpieces for the government,” says FIRE’s Joe Cohn. “For decades, the Supreme Court of the United States has defended professors’ academic freedom from governmental intrusion.”
Now say it with, “In the larger context of The Twitter Files, Facebook, Title IX, Student Loan giveaways, Student Heckler’s Vetoes, Gibson’s Bakery, Masterpiece Cakeshop, 303 Creative, etc., I believe it’s *more* important to remember…” in front of it.
You ambulance-chasing, “I can obfuscate anything if the price is right.” shill, no one is *owed* a job at a public or private university.
Go fuck yourself and cut spending while you’re at it.
'.....For decades, the Supreme Court of the United States has defended professors' academic freedom from governmental intrusion, defended 'Separate But Equal', defended Plessey, defended Jim Crow, defended the nonsensical logic Roe vs. Wade, and STILL defends Wickard v. Fillburn....'
I've read parts of the speech of DEI Dean Tirien Steinbach. She shouldn't be a professor let alone a dean. She sounded like a character on some woke Amos and Andy episode. These departments are nothing more than an office of political commissars. I'm reading some universities have dei departments in every one of their schools. Many of these administrators make more than a half million a year. Just in the interest of affordability the legislatures need to force the removal of useless administrators.
The part that strikes me after having learned about her during the recent dust up with the judge, is how astoundingly White she is.
After Obama and KBJ, it really should stop surprising me, but the pervasiveness of "That could've been me." and "MUH REPEARAYSHUNZ!" keeps it seeming fresh, I guess.
It must be hard to defend academic freedom when this fine example presents herself on the side of academic discourse.
Another bolshie...eastern european ancestry?
If the central basis of your argument for something being a Constitutional right is dicta about that policy's importance to the nation from a Warren Court opinion, it is not your opponent who is "plain wrong".
FIRE = enemy of the people
As I said the other day, it would be reasonable for the Florida legislature to pass a law stating that politically-charged subjects such as CRT not be part of core undergraduate degree requirements — and then leave it at that.
That would be an appropriate response respecting the principle of limited government. But a big part of DeSantis’ and the Florida legislatures M.O. is overreaching again and again in countering progressives.
Bingo. The motivation seems okay to me in a very general sense (i.e, these programs waste money and resources etc…) Its the MEANS employed to combat that which are objectionable. I don’t know what the long term effect on the overall academic environment in Florida public higher education will be…but if i was a PhD candidate looking for a tenure track professor gig at a 4yr institution and place A offers tenure after a few years and place B lets me be fired by a political appointee to some random board of trustees for whatever reason or no reason at all… i gotta believe I am going with institution A. Just for stability’s sake. If i want to raise a family and get married and not move around every couple years…definitely institution A.
I guess Florida universities would still have the climate and beaches as an advantage over other universities when competing for quality hires.
Seriously, though, I suppose math, science and engineering, business professors might not worry about meddling from the state board as much as humanities professors. That would be a feature, not a bug, to DeSantis and his allies on this issue.
Get rid of those departments. Engineering, Hard Science, Math, Comp Sci, Business. There you go..a great college.
Then you might just need to learn how to spell and punctuate like someone who finished 4th grade, shreek.
LOL
"limited government" of a state run multibillion dollar university system.
It IS the state. No 'limited government' principles need to apply here. The university is already wholly captured, managed, directed and designed by the state.
For private, it's a different matter.
Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. wants a government just limited enough to spend billions of dollars per year to create and maintain government schools without exercising any control or accountability over how the money is spent. What a true freedom fighter!
The idea that professors should be able to indoctrinate students into Marxist ideology at taxpayer expense is ludicrous. And "indoctrination" doesn't just mean subjecting them to political propaganda, it means rewarding and punishing them with degrees and licenses that students need for getting a job later.
FIRE is on the side of totalitarians and against liberty.
Either professors stop political and ideological indoctrination, or we need to shut down public universities and public funding for education altogether. Take your pick.
who is Joe Cohn? Trotsky his hero?
Perhaps Mr. Cohn is a pixie?
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https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1636844285797564416?t=D24wJlZeq_x5vDEIzz5v9Q&s=19
The Khmer Rouge's torture manual. Notice the emphasis on "political pressure." What they mean is a struggle session where they use propaganda and social pressure to make you "confess" to "wrong beliefs" and "sins" against the government.
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Judging by the racist, bigoted, cultural Marxist crap that comes from "academics" in the social "sciences". Rufo has a point. Universities have been a hot bed for communists and bolsheviks since the last number of socialists entered the industry starting in the 1930s.
Schools of "education", and social "science" are complete jokes and provide marxists a nice income and platform and the media considers them "experts." Shut them all down.
I'm sure Ms. Camp thinks Jill Biden is an actual doctor as well.
F the bolsehviks..expose them and drive them back to the eastern european countries most of their ancestors came from.
The rights to free speech and academic freedom do not include funding with public money (taxpayers money) extorted from the populace. Emma Camp is completely wrong.
The answer to this is simple, but hard. If a college or university shouts down a speaker, public funding ends immediately. If a college or university does not allow dissenting views among its faculty, public funds ends immediately. If the university shuts down from lack of funding, the student fees will be returned by selling all of the facilities. Furthermore, no college that is shutdown will be eligible for any government contracts even if the science and engineering programs were not involved with the offenses.
No gang of miscreants can be allowed to terrorize speakers and attack dissident faculty members. Evergreen College should have been immediately shutdown after allowing the “hunting” of Bret Weinstein by students. What next? Wanted Posters and bounties paid to anyone who assaults a non-conforming instructor?
Defund the universities!!!
For any particular Florida public university we are discussing, how much of their budget comes from:
– Endowments, perhaps dating back to land-grant days;
– Endowments from private contributions and investments, patents;
– Tuition;
– State, tax-based funding;
– Federal funding;
– Income from sports teams.
It’s assuming a lot to assume that most of the university’s funding comes from taxpayers.
Then the loss of those funds should be no problem, right Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.? Same argument as when you faggots insist that public funding for NPR is so infinitesimal it doesn’t matter, and that it's simultaneously heartless and unconstitutional to end public funding for NPR.
Imagine making an argument this fucking retarded, getting it jammed up your asshole sideways, then making it again just to emphasize how abjectly fucking stupid you are.
Hi, Tulpa, my brother in Christ!
They're also not activists on the government's dime.
They want to teach CRT - nothing is stopping them from doing it after work.
Public institutions that exist by being funded at least partially by Government should have no expectation that the people providing the money will have no say on how it is spent. This is well established with the myriad strings attached to, say, highway funds for example. I want my tax dollars, if they are being used to provide funding for Colleges and Universities to be used for useful majors and subject that will provide students with an education from which they can gain employment to pay that money back.
Why is this a concern only when it comes to attenuating tax-supported "left" propaganda?
Because Reason is a stalking horse for Marxism?
I think a big part of the problem is the degree to which the granting of tenure is based on the degree to which they agree with the prevailing orthodoxies in their departments. I once had the semi-facetious thought that tenure should be granted only to those who succeed in raising the systolic blood pressure of their department chairs by at least 10 points by arguing against some pet belief of theirs.
Shorter: everyone else in the world has to follow rules but it's too much to ask professors employed by the government to follow any rules at all.
Conservatives like Rufo don’t seem to really want education to be free of indoctrination. They just don’t want students indoctrinated in the wrong things. Religion (Christianity), capitalism, and viewing America as the greatest country on Earth are all things that students of all ages need to be taught and must believe.
It isn't censorship to refuse to pay professors to use their classrooms to push a political agenda, punish students who dare disagree, and don't provide anything of educational value.