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Drugs

The Drug Exception to the Second Amendment

Conservatives have been slow to recognize the threat that drug prohibition poses to gun rights and other civil liberties.

Jacob Sullum | From the April 2023 issue

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gun1 | Illustration: Joanna Andreasson Source image: St. Anthony Police Department
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Jeronimo Yanez remembered smelling "the odor of burning marijuana" as he approached the white Oldsmobile sedan he had stopped near the intersection of Larpenteur Avenue and Fry Street in Falcon Heights, Minnesota. It was a little after 9 p.m. on a Wednesday in July 2016, and Yanez, who worked for the St. Anthony Police Department, had been assigned to patrol the streets of Lauderdale, a city just west of Falcon Heights.

The whiff of weed from the Oldsmobile, Yanez later said, figured in the threat he perceived from the car's driver, a 32-year-old school cafeteria worker named Philando Castile. Yanez fatally shot Castile, who had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, a few seconds after learning that he had a gun in the car.

The marijuana that alarmed Yanez also figured in public comments about the shooting by Dana Loesch, a conservative radio host who at the time was a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association (NRA). Castile's death seemed to be a clear case of an innocent man who was killed for exercising his Second Amendment rights. But the NRA, which initially called the incident "troubling," never took a position on whether the shooting was justified. Several journalists thought they had an explanation for the NRA's reticence when Loesch brought up Castile's marijuana use, which made it illegal for him to own a gun, let alone carry one in public.

Loesch rejected that interpretation of her comments. But it seemed plausible in light of the NRA's longstanding support for the federal bans on gun possession by illegal drug users and people convicted of drug-related felonies. The organization's enthusiasm for enforcing those restrictions illustrates a blind spot shared by many right-leaning critics of gun control, whose concerns about overcriminalization, law enforcement abuses, and violations of civil liberties usually do not extend to the war on drugs.

That inconsistency is the mirror image of attitudes among progressives, who readily recognize the injustice and racially disparate impact of drug laws while enthusiastically supporting gun laws with strikingly similar historical roots and contemporary consequences. In addition to overlooking their potential common ground, both sides tend to miss the perverse interaction between the twin crusades against guns and drugs, which combine to inflict double damage on people like Castile.

'I Wasn't Reaching for It'

"The reason I pulled you over," Yanez told Castile, was that the car's brake lights were not working properly. The top light was out, and the broken lens on the left light was covered with red tape.

Although Castile had no way of knowing it, that was not the real reason Yanez had pulled him over. The real reason was that Yanez thought Castile looked like a suspect in a recent armed robbery of a nearby convenience store. Surveillance video from the store showed two black men with handguns. One had shoulder-length dreadlocks, while the other had longer dreadlocks and was wearing glasses.

Castile likewise was a black man with dreadlocks and glasses. But at the time of the stop, Yanez told investigators from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) the next day, he could not recall whether the robbers had "corn rows or dreadlocks or straight hair."

In that interview and in a radio call before he pulled the car over, Yanez mentioned Castile's "wide-set nose," a detail that had not been included in the description of either robbery suspect. Jeffrey Noble, a use-of-force expert consulted by local prosecutors, concluded that "no reasonable police officer would have believed that Mr. Castile matched the description of an armed robbery suspect."

When Yanez asked Castile for his driver's license and proof of insurance, a dashcam video showed, Castile handed over his insurance card. "Sir," Castile then calmly told Yanez, "I have to tell you that I do have a firearm on me." Castile presumably was trying to avoid a surprise that might have alarmed Yanez. But his disclosure proved to be a fatal mistake.

"OK," Yanez initially replied. "Don't reach for it then." Castile, who seems to have been responding to the officer's request for his driver's license by trying to retrieve his wallet, repeatedly assured Yanez that he was not reaching for the gun. So did Castile's girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who was sitting in the front passenger seat. But Castile's movements unnerved Yanez, who drew his gun and fired seven rounds at Castile.

"You just killed my boyfriend!" Reynolds exclaimed. "I wasn't reaching for it," a mortally wounded Castile said. It was one of the last things he said before he died.

The Smell of Homicidal Intent

"I thought he had the gun in his hand," Yanez told the BCA investigators. "I thought I was gonna die." But Noble found "the weight of the evidence supports a conclusion that the handgun was in Mr. Castile's right front pants pocket at the time of the shooting."

When Yanez was prosecuted for second-degree manslaughter, the jurors were more inclined to credit his account. "Some of us were saying that there was some recklessness there," one juror said after Yanez was acquitted in June 2017, "but that didn't stick because we didn't know what escalated the situation: Was he really seeing a gun?"

According to Yanez, the marijuana he smelled colored his perception of Castile's intentions. Castile's passengers included Reynolds' 4-year-old daughter, who was sitting in the back. "I thought…if he has the guts and the audacity to smoke marijuana in front of the 5-year-old [sic] girl and risk her lungs and risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke," Yanez recalled during the BCA interview, "then what care does he give about me?"

Whatever risk secondhand marijuana smoke might have posed to Reynolds' daughter, it paled in comparison with the danger created by the seven bullets Yanez fired into the car. As Noble noted, Yanez admitted "the girl was in his line of fire."

Yanez said the fact that "the inside of the vehicle smelled like marijuana" also made him wonder why Castile was carrying a gun. "I didn't know if he was keeping it on him for protection…from a drug dealer or anything like that or any other people trying to rip him [off]," he said.

The implication seemed to be that Yanez thought Castile might be an armed and dangerous drug dealer. While "the odor of burnt marijuana would be cause to investigate," Noble noted, "a reasonable police officer would not have believed that Mr. Castile was a drug dealer or that he was armed to protect his illicit activity."

Yanez's claims about the wild inferences he drew from the smell of marijuana may be what you would expect from a cop desperately trying to avoid prison. But it is not clear why anyone else would think Castile's marijuana use was relevant in assessing whether Yanez's use of deadly force was reasonable in the circumstances.

'He Had Pot in the Car'

A day after the shooting, the NRA said "the reports from Minnesota are troubling and must be thoroughly investigated." It promised "the NRA will have more to say once all the facts are known."

A year passed before the NRA had more to say. The month after Yanez was acquitted, Loesch discussed the case on CNN as an NRA representative. "I think it's absolutely awful," she said. "It's a terrible tragedy that could have been avoided." But she was notably noncommittal on the wisdom and justice of the jury's verdict.

"I don't agree with every single decision that comes out from courtrooms of America," Loesch said. "There are a lot of variables in this particular case, and there were a lot of things that I wish would have been done differently. Do I believe that Philando Castile deserved to lose his life over his [traffic] stop? I absolutely do not. I also think that this is why we have things like NRA Carry Guard, not only to reach out to the citizens to go over what to do during stops like this, but also to work with law enforcement so that they understand what citizens are experiencing when they go through stops like this."

Loesch's reference to NRA Carry Guard, a training and insurance program for permit holders, could be read as implying that Castile might still be alive if he had known "what to do during stops like this." That was a common refrain from Yanez's defenders, who said Castile, after disclosing that he had a concealed weapon, should have immediately placed his hands on the dashboard or steering wheel and awaited further instructions from Yanez.

But Yanez never asked Castile to do that. Nor did he tell Castile to stop moving or to keep his hands in plain sight. He did not even ask Castile where the gun was. Instead he told Castile not to pull the gun out, and Castile assured him that he wouldn't. According to Reynolds, Castile thought he was doing what Yanez wanted by retrieving his driver's license. Perhaps Castile could have been more proactive and more sensitive to Yanez's nervousness. But the officer had a responsibility to control the situation, issue clear instructions, take routine precautions, and use deadly force only as a last resort. He failed abysmally on all four counts.

Loesch commented on the case again the following month. The context was a Twitter thread begun by Colion Noir, a lawyer and gun rights activist who had been sharply critical of Yanez. Noir, who at the time was the host of a show on the NRA's now-defunct online video channel, was responding to a tweet by a woman named Laura Weatherspoon.

"How much the NRA cares about your legal right to own a gun is directly related to the color of your skin," Weatherspoon wrote.

Noir, who is black, posted a link to that tweet with the comment, "Good God (forgive me father) enough w/ this lame argument." When another Twitter user asked Weatherspoon for evidence to support her contention, she replied, "Philando Castile followed the safety rules he was taught and he was shot to death. NRA said nothing. They are usually quick to speak up."

That is where Loesch chimed in, saying, "He was also in possession of a controlled substance and a firearm simultaneously, which is illegal. Stop lying."

Police found a bag of marijuana in Castile's car, and Reynolds testified that the two of them frequently smoked pot together. Even leaving aside the fact that Castile was "in possession of a controlled substance and a firearm simultaneously," that recreational choice made it illegal for Castile to own a gun. Under federal law, it is a felony, currently punishable by up to 15 years in prison, for an "unlawful user" of a "controlled substance" to obtain or possess a firearm. That rule applies to all cannabis consumers, even if they live in states that have legalized marijuana.

The Washington Examiner and other news outlets interpreted Loesch's comment as an explanation for why the NRA "did not defend" Castile. Loesch objected to that characterization on Twitter, saying she was only disputing Weatherspoon's claim that Castile "followed the safety rules he was taught." While Castile's death was "awful and avoidable," she wrote, it was "important" to note the marijuana, which meant his possession of a handgun was "not 'lawful carry.'" On her radio show in 2018, Loesch brought up that detail again, saying "it didn't help" when "it came out that he had pot in the car."

Loesch, who was an NRA spokeswoman from 2017 to 2019, says her parting agreement with the organization precludes her from discussing its official positions or any statements she made on its behalf. But notwithstanding her comments about the "pot in the car," she agrees that it had nothing to do with the legal question of whether a reasonable officer would have shot Castile. "The presence of marijuana is a separate issue," she says.

Loesch does not think much of Yanez's claim that the odor of marijuana made Castile seem more dangerous. "I've never known anybody who smokes pot to be violent," she says. While "nobody knows what was in [Yanez's] head and what he was thinking," she says, "it just didn't make sense as to why there would be that level of fear in that situation."

Still, Loesch remained leery of questioning the verdict when I interviewed her in November 2022. The jurors acquitted Yanez "based on the evidence they were provided," she says, and "I didn't see any of that," aside from the dashcam video, which was released after the trial.

Amy Hunter, the NRA's current director of media relations, takes a similar stance. "We generally don't comment on criminal jury verdicts," she says.

Are Cannabis Consumers Dangerous?

The federal prohibition that Castile violated was first imposed by the Gun Control Act of 1968, which made it a crime for "an unlawful user" of "marihuana," "any depressant or stimulant drug," or any "narcotic drug" to "receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce." The current version of that rule forbids possession as well as receipt of firearms.

When Yanez pulled Castile over, violating that ban was punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act of 2022 increased the maximum penalty to 15 years. That law also created a new offense, "trafficking in firearms," which it defined broadly enough to include marijuana users who buy guns. That crime is likewise punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Gun buyers who falsely deny marijuana use when they fill out the form required for firearm purchases from federally licensed dealers are guilty of yet another felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Despite those stiff penalties, the original rationale for banning gun ownership by illegal drug users was hazy, relying on the assumption that no one who consumes marijuana or other prohibited intoxicants can be trusted with a firearm. The Senate report on the legislation that would become the Gun Control Act, for instance, mentioned "narcotic addicts," along with unsupervised "juveniles," "mental defectives," and "armed groups who would supplant duly constituted public authorities," as a category of people "whose possession of firearms" is "contrary to the public interest."

During a legislative debate in May 1968, Sen. Joseph Tydings (D–Md.) expressed the hope that Congress would "give the law-enforcement officers of our nation the assistance they need in controlling the unrestricted traffic in firearms into the hands of convicted felons, hoodlums, junkies, narcotic addicts, and other persons who should not possess them." Tydings introduced into the record a column in which conservative commentator James J. Kilpatrick averred that "there is no question of the ease with which criminals, thrill-seeking juveniles, narcotics addicts, and mentally defective persons may acquire handguns."

Tydings and Kilpatrick thus equated all "unlawful" drug users—the category covered by the Gun Control Act—with "junkies" and "narcotic addicts." That sort of casual conflation was typical of drug policy discussions at the time, but it left much to be desired as a justification for restricting a constitutional right.

When Florida Agriculture and Consumer Affairs Commissioner Nikki Fried filed a lawsuit challenging the federal ban on gun possession by medical marijuana users in 2022, the Biden administration likewise compared that policy to state gun laws aimed at "alcoholics" or "intoxicated" individuals. But unlike those laws, the ban for cannabis consumers applies even to moderate or occasional users who never handle guns while intoxicated.

The government's lawyers also argued that Second Amendment rights are limited to "law-abiding citizens," which cannabis consumers are not. They cited a "tradition of restricting the firearms rights of those who commit crimes." But as Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett noted in a 2019 dissent as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, the relevant history does not suggest that any crime, or even any felony, will do. "Legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from possessing guns," Barrett wrote. "But that power extends only to people who are dangerous."

Barrett disagreed with the majority's conclusion that a mail fraud conviction justified the permanent loss of Second Amendment rights. But she noted that the 7th Circuit had previously said forbidding gun possession by illegal drug users was constitutional because "studies amply demonstrate the connection between chronic drug abuse and violent crime."

In her lawsuit, Fried called that claim, at least as applied to cannabis consumers, "obsolete and without scientific support." She noted a 2013 study commissioned by the Office of National Drug Control Policy that found "marijuana use does not induce violent crime." The Biden administration, in any event, did not assert a link between marijuana use and violence. It instead argued that the law Fried challenged was consistent with longstanding historical precedent.

The implausibility of that argument was compounded by the fact that the "crime" of consuming marijuana or other currently prohibited drugs did not exist when the Second Amendment was ratified in 1791. Nor did it exist when the 14th Amendment, which made the Second Amendment applicable to state and local governments, was ratified in 1868. During the 19th century, cannabis, opium, morphine, and cocaine were legally available over the counter and widely consumed as ingredients in patent medicines. It seems unlikely that Americans of that era would have thought eschewing such products should be a condition for exercising the rights protected by the Second Amendment and similar provisions of state constitutions.

Judge Allen Winsor of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida nevertheless agreed with the Biden administration. In November 2022, he dismissed Fried's lawsuit, ruling that the gun ban for marijuana users was "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation"—the constitutional test that the Supreme Court has said gun control laws must pass. By way of historical precedent, Winsor noted colonial and state laws enacted in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries that prohibited people from either carrying or firing guns "while intoxicated." The analogy was dubious, since those laws, which applied only when people were under the influence, did not categorically forbid drinkers to own guns.

Largely for that reason, Patrick Wyrick, a federal judge in Oklahoma, ruled in February that prohibiting cannabis consumers from owning guns violates the Second Amendment. While the earlier laws "took a scalpel to the right of armed self-defense," he said, the current federal ban is more like "a sledgehammer."

'Lock Up the Bad People'

Although the Gun Control Act of 1968 nullified the Second Amendment rights of drug users and other broad categories of Americans, the NRA did not object. While some of the law's provisions "appear unduly restrictive and unjustified in their application to law-abiding citizens," NRA Executive Vice President Franklin Orth declared in the American Rifleman, "the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with."

Half a century later, in a 2021 essay, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre explained "what 'enforcing the laws on the books'"—as the organization frequently urges the government to do, rather than enact new restrictions on firearms—"would actually look like." LaPierre noted that "it is a federal felony," then punishable by up to 10 years in prison, "for a convicted felon to buy, receive, transport or possess any firearm or ammunition," and "the same penalties apply to known drug users."

The NRA has long supported more vigorous enforcement of the federal ban on gun ownership by "prohibited persons," including drug users and people convicted of drug felonies. As a model, the organization has frequently cited Project Exile, a program that sends gun possession cases to federal court, where defendants typically face stiffer penalties than they would in state court. "By prosecuting them, they prevent the drug dealer, the gang member, and the felon from committing the next crime," LaPierre told The Wall Street Journal in 2008. "Leave the good people alone and lock up the bad people."

In a speech at the 2018 Conservative Political Action Conference, LaPierre bragged that "the National Rifle Association originated the National Instant Check System" for gun purchases, which was established by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993. He declared that "no one on the prohibited persons list should ever have access to a firearm."

What does that position say about the NRA's understanding of the Second Amendment? If trivial offenses such as pot smoking are enough to strip someone of the constitutional right to armed self-defense, that right is subject to legislators' whims, a proposition that the NRA passionately rejects in other contexts.

When it comes to other restrictions on the right to arms, the NRA does not take the position that "the law is the law" and leave it at that. To the contrary, the NRA criticizes gun regulations that it believes unjustifiably impinge on that right, such as "assault weapon" bans, limits on magazine capacity, "red flag" laws, and restrictive carry-permit policies.

In 2014, the NRA championed the cause of Shaneen Allen, a Pennsylvania carry-permit holder who did not realize it was illegal for her to drive through New Jersey with her handgun. During a routine traffic stop, the NRA noted, Allen "dutifully informed the police officer she had her pistol in the car." She was then arrested and charged with illegal gun possession, which could have sent her to prison for several years. The NRA called that situation "a mockery of justice."

Allen spent 48 days in jail and lost her job but ultimately avoided a prison sentence by enrolling in a pretrial intervention program. In 2015, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican who was about to seek his party's presidential nomination, won the NRA's applause by pardoning Allen.

The NRA's support for Allen, an African-American mother of two from Philadelphia, belied the notion that it was only interested in defending the Second Amendment rights of white people. At the same time, it showed that the organization does not always favor "enforcing the laws on the books."

Illustration: Joanna Andreasson
(Illustration: Joanna Andreasson)

 

'Jack-Booted Government Thugs'

LaPierre's enthusiasm for waging the war on drugs and enforcing the gun restrictions it has spawned is hard to reconcile with his avowed concern for civil liberties. In that 2018 speech, he warned that overweening government threatens due process, privacy, "personal liberty," and freedom of speech. "Some people out there think the NRA should just stick to its Second Amendment agenda and not talk about all of our freedoms," he said. "But real freedom requires protection of all of our rights. And a Second Amendment isn't worth its own words in a country where all of our other individual freedoms are destroyed."

Because it dictates which psychoactive substances people may consume, drug prohibition is a direct assault on "personal liberty." It has steadily eroded privacy by inviting the Supreme Court to whittle away at the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. It is also the main justification for civil asset forfeiture, a system of legalized larceny that makes a mockery of due process. So much for defending "all of our freedoms."

In a 1995 letter to NRA members, LaPierre warned that the federal "assault weapon" ban enacted the previous year "gives jack-booted government thugs more power to take away our constitutional rights, break in our doors, seize our guns, destroy our property, and even injure or kill us." The same could be said of the drug laws that LaPierre thinks should be vigorously enforced. Criminalizing possession of certain psychoactive substances, like criminalizing possession of certain firearms or firearm accessories, invites armed agents of the state to "break in our doors, seize our guns, destroy our property, and even injure or kill us."

When Louisville police killed 26-year-old Breonna Taylor in 2020, for example, drug prohibition was the pretext for invading her home in the middle of the night. She died in a hail of bullets because her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired a shot at the cops, whom he mistook for criminal intruders. Walker, who was exercising what the Supreme Court has called the "core" Second Amendment right to "use arms in defense of hearth and home," initially faced an attempted murder charge, which prosecutors dropped two months later.

In a video on his YouTube channel, Noir said the deadly raid "should terrify every gun owner." As in the Castile case, critics faulted the NRA for not speaking up.

The NRA's selective concern about the dangers posed by "jack-booted government thugs" reflects a broader tendency among conservatives. President Ronald Reagan was a vocal supporter of gun rights during his two terms in office, when he was equally vocal in supporting the war on drugs.

Addressing the NRA's national members banquet in 1983, Reagan hailed the defeat of a 1982 California ballot initiative that would have required registration of handguns. Had it passed, he said, police would have been "so busy arresting handgun owners that they would be unable to protect the people against criminals." He acknowledged the "nasty truth" that "those who seek to inflict harm are not fazed by gun control laws" and called for "reform" of "firearms laws which needlessly interfere with the rights of legitimate gun owners."

In the same speech, Reagan touted his determination to "cripple the drug pushers" through mandatory minimum sentences, "firm and speedy application of penalties," and abolition of federal parole. And although he said "we will never disarm any American who seeks to protect his or her family from fear and harm," that was plainly not true, since the drug laws he was keen to enforce underlie a policy that denies millions of Americans the right to armed self-defense even when they have no history of violence.

Reagan saw no contradiction between those two positions, and the same is true of many Republican politicians today. Legislators who receive high grades from the NRA, signifying opposition to gun control, are often enthusiastic about drug control. Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.), for example, is an NRA member with an "A" rating from the organization. He is also one of the most gung-ho drug warriors in Washington, opposing even modest sentencing reforms. And Cotton is so committed to the ban on gun possession by "prohibited persons" that he has proposed a five-year mandatory minimum sentence for violating it.

'It Would Be Unjust'

Even when it comes to the medical use of marijuana, which 37 states allow and many conservatives have endorsed, the NRA has been slow to defend the Second Amendment rights of people who defy the federal prohibition. In 2014, the Chicago Tribune asked Todd Vandermyde, an NRA lobbyist in Illinois, about a proposed state regulation that would have barred medical marijuana patients from owning guns. Vandermyde said the rule "presents a novel legal conundrum," which was not really true, given the longstanding federal ban. Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, was bolder. "I don't think it's constitutional," he said.

In a 2018 story about Louisiana's medical marijuana program, the New Orleans Times-Picayune noted that the NRA "has not taken a public stance" against the federal gun ban for patients who use cannabis in compliance with state law. Hunter, the NRA spokeswoman, confirms that the organization has not "directly supported" the Florida lawsuit or any other legal challenge to that restriction. But she adds that "it would be unjust for the federal government to punish or deprive a person of a constitutional right for using a substance their state government has, as a matter of public policy, legalized."

That stance suggests the NRA might be moving beyond the anti-drug orthodoxy that LaPierre parroted for decades. It aligns the organization with the position that conservative activist David Keene, who was the NRA's president from 2011 to 2013, took in 2018, when he defended the gun rights of medical marijuana patients in a Washington Times op-ed piece. "The refusal of the federal government to accede to the judgment of the states on the issue," Keene wrote, "has created problems for tens or even hundreds of thousands of gun owners," who "are being forced to either trade their Second Amendment rights for a chance to live pain-free or risk prosecution and imprisonment."

Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, agrees with Keene. He "stands for protecting Floridians' constitutional rights—including 2nd Amendment rights," his office said after Fried, a Democrat, filed her lawsuit. "Floridians should not be deprived of a constitutional right for using a medication lawfully."

Several Republican members of Congress have taken a similar position. In January 2023, Rep. Alex Mooney (R–W.Va.) reintroduced a bill, co-sponsored by Reps. Brian Mast (R–Fla.) and Thomas Massie (R–Ky.), that would eliminate the gun ban for state-legal medical marijuana users.

Loesch would go further. Although she emphasizes that people should not handle guns when they are intoxicated, she does not think Americans should lose their Second Amendment rights merely because they use marijuana, whether for medical or recreational purposes. "I don't think that's one of the things that should be able to cancel out a natural right," she says.

That drastic step, Loesch thinks, should require evidence, such as a history of violent felonies, that someone's possession of firearms poses a serious threat to public safety. "I hesitate in giving government any kind of justification, beyond basic safety against very dangerous individuals," for taking away people's Second Amendment rights, she says. She adds that "I 100 percent agree" with Barrett's 2019 dissent on that point.

Loesch's stance is what you might expect from the author of Hands Off My Gun: Defeating the Plot to Disarm America. But she concedes that defenders of the Second Amendment typically do not pay much attention to the interaction between gun control and drug control. "Conservatives might be worried about muddying the argument," she says. One reason "conservatives are very nervous to talk about the issue of drugs and firearms," she suggests, is that "usually what you hear from the left is, 'My gosh, you want the drug dealer down the road to be able to have their guns and go out and terrorize neighborhoods.'"

Republicans and Pot Prohibition

Republicans are much less inclined to support drug policy reform than Democrats. According to a 2022 Gallup survey, 51 percent of Republicans think marijuana should be legal, compared to 81 percent of Democrats. Partisan differences on gun control are even starker: While 86 percent of Democrats favor stricter regulation, just 27 percent of Republicans do.

Although Democrats overwhelmingly see the folly of banning marijuana, they are much more optimistic about the government's ability to protect public safety by limiting gun sales and possession. Republicans, by contrast, are far more likely to support marijuana prohibition than they are to support new gun restrictions.

It nevertheless seems clear that the ongoing de-escalation of the war on weed, including recreational legalization in more than 20 states so far, has made an impression on Republicans, who are more than twice as likely to support legalization as they were at the turn of the century. Even among self-described conservatives, nearly half want to end pot prohibition, according to Gallup. Support for legalization rises to 59 percent among conservatives in their 30s or 40s, then rises to 65 percent among conservatives in their teens or 20s.

This is the context in which prominent conservatives such as Keene, DeSantis, and Mooney publicly criticized the federal ban on gun possession by cannabis consumers. It is also the context in which the NRA, after decades of silence on the issue, was willing to agree with them. Such objections, while modest in themselves, could open the door to a broader recognition that drug control, like gun control, is a menace to civil liberties.

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    5. lvpbilly   2 years ago

      I agree, in an ideal society, nothing should be banned, thing is: are we RESPONSIBLE enough to deal with that amount of freedom?

  2. hpearce   2 years ago

    One of the more informative issues on gun control from Reason that I had not recognized.
    An issue that makes libertarians far more supportive of the 2nd amendment than many conservatives or republicans could ever hope to be !

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Except it's an issue where Democrats have been worse than Republicans for the last thirty years and Sullum knows it. He's practicing an old fashioned journalisming technique colloquially called "lying".

      Here's Joe Biden boasting about creating a bill ensuring mandatory imprisonment for possession of a quarter sized amount of crack and stealing their assets.

      Now here's Mitch McConnell frolicking in a field of cannabis for his campaigns b-roll.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        So, even turtles get stoned?

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

          considering how slow they move, how would you know?

      2. Minadin   2 years ago

        Maybe we could get Democrats on board if we pointed out that without this needless and anti-constitutional restriction on gun owner's rights, at least ONE of Hunter Biden's many, many crimes wouldn't even have been one.

        Right?

        HAhahahahaHAA!

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  4. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    Keep in mind the NRA is the nation's largest gun control organization. They strategically support 'reasonable' gun laws.

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  5. Karl Hungus   2 years ago

    ....her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired a shot at the cops, whom he mistook for criminal intruders.

    LOL "mistook"

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      he was correct

  6. VoteQuimby   2 years ago (edited)

    Where are the 2 bit conservative trolls to tell us what an authoritarian the author is? You know, the dumb, paid, Trump shills? Sevo, you retard, where are you, Dum-Dum?

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Sevo mops splooge up in Tenderloin bath-houses on Sunday mornings. He will check in later to give Donnie his tongue-bath.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        You two done with your tag-team reach-around yet?

        Are you really going to keep claiming that the biggest and most consistent threats to our liberties in the 21st century come from the right?

        And what, or who, would you talk about if Trump did not exist?

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          It's good to see another poster who recognizes both parties are stealing liberties.

          It's why I support gridlock so that nothing happens. Congress is best when it does nothing.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "another poster"

            Lol.

          2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago (edited)

            “It’s why I support gridlock so that nothing happens. Congress is best when it does nothing.”

            This is perhaps the most reasonable thing I’ve ever seen you post. Now if I only believed you meant it.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              He doesn't; turd, the ass-clown of the commentariate, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              He has said it many times.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Since when did what someone actually says start to matter around here? What matters is what's said about a person. That's the real truth.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Still smarting from me providing those citations I see. Yes. Your previous statements were directly linked. Lol.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    I said it then and I'll say it again, your citations were a bunch of non sequiturs. They had nothing to do with anything. Any message that you saw in them only existed in your fevered mind. The only "smarting" that happened was that sinking feeling you get in your stomach when you watch someone embarrass themselves. Pathetic.

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "your citations were a bunch of non sequiturs."

                      OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE SARCASMIC! You're just doing it on purpose now for shits and giggles, aren't you.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                      No they weren’t. I provided them for everyone to see.

                      Also learn what non sequitur means dummy.

                      You also never provided a single citation of you criticizing Joe like you said.

                      Open bet. Do I post your comments from the last 10 articles even slightly critical of Joe? Will i find criticism?

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      One of my responses to your nonsense was criticism of Joe.

                      If you possessed a shred of honesty you'd be the one posting it.

                      But you won't.

                      Never.

                      That would be honest.

                      And you cannot do that.

                    4. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                      Lol. Sarc thinks him stating a criticism AFTER I called him out is evidence he criticizes Joe all the time. Amazing.

              2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                And yet, like you, he only ever shits on Republicans and conservative leaning libertarians.

                I will give you this though, you don’t bend over backwards to defend every Democrat policy.

              3. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                Which is why he pushed so hard for Herschel Walker, right? To make sure the senate remained deadlocked?

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  You don’t see any reason, can’t think of any, why someone might not advocate for Herschel Walker to hold public office?

                  1. DesigNate   2 years ago

                    I can think of several, but not if you’re a self proclaimed advocate of gridlock AND you supported a different brain damaged candidate getting elected.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "You two"

          No "two" involved. Shrike is samefagging. He's been using "VoteQuimby" for almost as long as "Buttplug 2".

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            OK, a fantasy reach-around.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariate, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Lots of splooge in the Tenderloin from last night?

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Speaking of which, do you ever wipe it from your young victim's corpses, Shrike?

            That shit's incriminating, and don't just count on sulphuric acid to get rid of it all.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      Yeah. This tactic started by Mike and Jeff and adopted by sarc just makes you look retarded. It is also a strawman.

      Being good on one topic doesn’t excuse being terrible on 10 others.

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      "Where are the 2 bit conservative trolls to tell us what an authoritarian the author is?"

      Dunno, but we do know the lying piles of steaming lefty shit has arrived.
      Fuck off and die, asshole.

    4. jimc5499   2 years ago

      Simple. It's more Sullum bullshit. He's not worth it anymore.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        But worth commenting upon, however.

        Engagement is what it's all about, kids... Thanks for playing!

  7. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

    Some conn-serve-a-turds: "Driving while black" (let alone smoking pot while black) should be punished by your losing your so-called gun rights!

    1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

      American "conservatives" are a truly stupid lot. So are American liberals, but I digress: these idiots who claim to want small government love when big government enforces their religious beliefs on others. They fucking suck and they are liars. Scammed by a con artist who was once an NYC liberal palling around with all the American conservatives' arch enemies. These people are so fucking stupid, they still don't see they were conned. I could do the left and how badly they were scammed by Cold Drug Warrior Biden, but those people are not on this site from what I can tell.

      1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

        "I could do the left and how badly they were scammed by Cold Drug Warrior Biden, but those people are not on this site from what I can tell."

        Then you haven't been looking very hard.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          The most disappointing thing about Old Joe is not his absurd fake budget, not the SLOPPY PULLOUT, not the phony world inflation, not his coddling of progressives -- no no no. It is his failure to back off the stupid drug war.

          1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

            Well, Id say the resurgence of the Cold War takes precedence, but any idiot who couldn't see all of this coming deserves exactly what they get

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              The Cold War has grown again but it was never dormant. The big issue is how Western liberal democracy has eroded from the NatCon Putin-supporting inside. Look at what a failure Brexit has been despite being championed by the NatCon Trump/Putin/Bannon alliance.

              1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

                This is as embarrassing as when Mike Laursen was praising White Knight and pretending that they were different people.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  So which hand is SPB2, and which hand is VQ, Shrike?

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                The Cold War was dead in 1991 with the end of the Soviet Union. This is a new "cold war", but not a continuation of the old one to anyone except the neocons and warpigs (including you).

        2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

          Ok, but it's like 10 Trumpistas to 1 Biden-lover in here. All these rubes still getting conned by the duopoly while claiming some sort of libertarianism.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            The reality in 2020 was Trump or Biden, and (R) vs (D). And it could be again in 2024. Tell us which choice is likely to further degrade liberty in the US.

            1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

              Ahhh, yes.. lesser of 2 evils has been working fucking phenomenally. Fuck your bullshit narrative.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Which is why I vote for Team Gridlock. I despise Big Government Trumpism but Bernie Sanders would be worse.

                1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                  Both sides gonna take your liberty, just depends on which ones you are ok with losing 1st, I suppose.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                    I mean the LP ran on bake that cake and being anti racist. The old guard of the LP was dem lite. See jeff and Mike.

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  You literally cheered on every democrat in 2022. God damn.

                  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                    You literally cheered on every democrat in 2022. God damn.

                    Democrats barely kept one chamber in Congress and 2024 looks like the GOP could be in for another full control Bush run like in 2002-2006.

                    Plus I voted for Kemp (R).

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                      Who did you attack daily here? You ran cover for virtually every Dem senator and Dem rep. You didn’t want gridlock based on your posting.

                      Why are you talking about a governor that has no part of federal gridlock retard?

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      So that's why you denigrated Walker? If you wanted gridlock, you'd have voted for him over Warnock. Your so-called desire for gridlock is mere posing and nothing more.

                    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                      GOP House was 99% in the bag so yes, Dems needed to win the Senate for the most effective gridlock.

                      Plus, Herschel is uniquely stupid even for Congress. Worse than even the two brain dead geriatrics - Diane Feinstein and Chucky Grassly.

                    4. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                      Lol. The lies shrike tells. You were also against Gaetz, Boebert, and others. Who ended up being needed for a GOP house dumbass.

                    5. Sevo   2 years ago

                      "...GOP House was 99% in the bag so yes, Dems needed to win the Senate for the most effective gridlock..."

                      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariate, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

              2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                The fake cries of neutrality have been allowing the worse of 2 evils. How have the last 3 years worked out for you?

                Reminder. The authors here reluctantly voted for Biden after claiming he was a moderate. Idiots all around.

              3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                Wanna compare Supreme Court justices?

            2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

              Both will degrade my liberty differently and completely

          2. DesigNate   2 years ago

            That’s right, anybody who doesn’t agree with your oh so enlightened views is a conservative Trumpsucker.

            Could you fucks at least learn to make a different accusation?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        Ahh. The fake leftist who spends 99% of the time attacking the right while ignoring the left and only throws in asides of both sides equal to pretend to be neutral.

        The most biased people tend to be those who claim they are neutral.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Well, there's neutral and then there's nihilist.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            That is true. But he seems to be ignorant to expected outcomes.

            10% chance to vote in someone you align with 80%: 8% chance.

            50% chance to vote in someone you align with 50%: 25% chance.

            Sometimes you choose the lesser evil and try to win over the party to bring them more into alignment. See how the MC did so with the LP.

            Instead this fool rages at the small chance and continues to allow the worse abuses to occur.

            I can guarantee you VQ thinks J6 was an insurrection.

            1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

              I live in the mountains on private roads outside the jurisdiction of any municipalities. Whatever you lesser of two evil voters choose will have a limited effect on my life. I continue to vote for who I actually like and you folks get to pretend like your side is better than the awful OTHER while you all just fuck each other's rights to hell.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Lol. So youre retarded and pretend federal government has no effect on you. Can't wait for Bidens change to waters of the United States to fuck you over.

                1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                  THE GOP WILL SAVE US! You must be fucking delusional if you can't see that you are fucked either way. Go believe in God or something. Isn't that what you people do on Sundays?

                2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                  My water is from my own well that relies on the generous mountain precip we receive each winter. Are the Dems coming for my well water?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                  1. markm23   2 years ago

                    They aren't coming for your well water, but they may be coming for your land because you cleared a blockage from your drainage ditch.

                3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  And shrike sock is too dumb to see what falls under WOTUS and thinks it is about well water. Fucking hilarious.

                  1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                    No, you just don't understand the realities of where I live, homey.

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      No. You literally claimed your well was fine when discussing WOTUS. A true idiot. Lol.

              2. Nobartium   2 years ago

                Then why do you give a shit?

                1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                  I have been a libertarian since I found out what it meant. Today, I felt like waking up and trolling the decidedly un-libertarian comment section of a traditionally libertarian publication. So that's it, I felt like it

                  1. Nobartium   2 years ago

                    Congratulations, you are just as partisan as the people you accuse others of being.

                    I admit that I didn't expect a quick confession.

                    1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                      The difference is I have no loyalty to any party. I certainly didn't vote LP on any national level recently.

                    2. Nobartium   2 years ago

                      Distinction without difference.

                  2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    It would have helped if you read what libertarianism actually is.

                    1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                      Yeah, buddy. I know enough about libertarianism to know that a libertarian party is antithetical.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Lol. So youre an anarchist. Not a libertarian. Society does require some social agreement. Youre advocating no social agreement, ie anarchy.

                      You really are a fucking idiot.

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              There's also recognizing the most immediate and significant threat, and choosing the best way to nullify that threat. Anyone who does not see the left as the biggest threat right now is either an idiot or a progressive.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Idiot and progressive*

              2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                3 God fearing conservatives agree!

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  As you spend your entire morning screaming both sides after a Democrat led failure. As usual. You never pop up prior to these failures. Odd.

                  1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                    You Trump fucks have taken over the comments here. What do you want, should I jump on the 3 libs in here so I can join in with the majority be lockstep with you and your idiot friends? No thanks.

                    1. Sevo   2 years ago

                      Stuff your TDS up your ass, shit-pile; your head wants company.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      You already joined the libs here. You even repeat their strawman. Lol.

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        "American “conservatives” are a truly stupid lot..."

        Seems a lying pile of steaming lefty shit is envious.
        Fuck off and die, asshole.

        1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

          Hey there's the dumbfuck who called the black market a "free" market!

        2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

          You dumb fucking conservative. Stick your head in the oven

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            Stick your TDS up your ass, shit-pile. Your head wants company.

      4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        Personally, I wasn't fooled at all. But when choosing between a Hillary Clinton presidency and the slight chance that Trump could give us a "Not Hillary Clinton" presidency, I went that that option.

  8. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    As marijuana becomes legal in more places it will have to be removed from these laws like alcohol. I still don't want a meth head running around with a gun, but laws agianst it will be just as effective as the laws against meth. Government prohibitions only serve to give government more power and never stop people from doing dumb shit.

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  9. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mike-pence-history-will-hold-donald-trump-accountable-for-january-6/

    “I had no right to overturn the election and his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know that history will hold Donald Trump accountable,” Pence said…

    “Tourists don’t injure 140 police officers by sightseeing,” said Pence. “Tourists don’t break down doors to get to the Speaker of the House or voice threats against public officials.”

    “Make no mistake about it, what happened that day was a disgrace, and it mocks decency to portray it in any other way,” he added.

    1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

      Letters-turning (and eyes-turning) Vanna White had the POWER to select the WINNERS of "Wheel of Fortune"! Like a WUSS, she never exercised Her Rights!!! She'll go down in infamy with VEEP Pence!

      “Hang Mike Pence”, Trump agrees! https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan-6-hearing-trump-thought-pence-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html
      Trump chief of staff said the president thought Pence ‘deserves’ chants of ‘hang Mike Pence’ on Jan. 6, ex-aide testifies

      SQRLSY says conservatives will label all of this as “hearsay”… We need to believe Sidney Powell instead!

    2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

      Why drop this here? Nothing to do with the article written. This is why these shit brained conservatives in here hate you people. You make no fucking sense.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        “You people”?

        1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

          Yes, problem?

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Yes, problem.

            1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

              Problem with words? Thats gotta suck

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                But words are all I ha-ave
                To steal your heart a-way.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        The single article on Sunday (or Saturday) acts as a de facto morning links. The little good discussion we have here is in the links every morning.

        True that when a dedicated juicy topic appears on a weekday the discussion should follow suit.

        1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

          Oh, shit, it's Sunday Morning and I am LATE with my sermon! I am SOOOO sorry, Brothas and Sistas!!! Please forgive me!

          Good morning mutha flicklers, licklers, pricklers, sticklers, and picklers!!! It’s Sunday morning sermon time!

          The Devil went down to Georgia, he was lookin’ for a soul to steal. He said to Jesus, “Bitch, ya Son of a God you, turn those rocks to bread and stuff and shit.” Thus Spake The Gospel According to Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_4:3#:~:text=In%20the%20King%20James%20Version,these%20stones%20be%20made%20bread. Note ye also that DingleBerry Bible Publishers Spake thusly thereunto us all, also.

          Jesus responded that The Miracle of The Alimentary Canal allows us to turn the bread into stuff, and especially into shitty stuff, but that The Old Man Upstairs gets pissed off about the rocks-into-bread part of shit. WAAAY too much show-off razzle-dazzle and hocus pocus! Butt me and my sermon? No focus on the hocus-pocus here! Let’s get ‘er back on track now, and stuff, and shit, and stuffy shit…

          Bruthas and Sistas, the question is now posed to the SCROTUS: In sight of the indubitably infinite “Woes Unto” inflicted unto humanity by the Devil, WHO shall be held legally responsible for the EVIL words of the Devil… The Devil, AKA the Evil One, or DingleBerry Bible Publishers, who DARED to publish the words of said evil Devil? The SCROTUS will now spend $4,983,229.05 in tax money, and 3 months, DEEPLY Pondering upon this Utmoist Ultimate Puzzle!

          Let us now PRAISE the Wise Elders of the SCROTUS, and the Government Almighty, and the Pubic Well-Being, the Pubically, Ecstatically Ejaculated Purest JOYS, that They bestow and befester upon and unto all of us! All Hail, and All Halleluiah! Amen!

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            I would like a generative AI trained exclusively on SQRLSY’s comments.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              It's called "Hank".

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariate, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

      And an example enters the chat.

      Less than 20% of the j6 arrested have been charged with a crime of violence. A grandmother was arrested and plead guilty to a year for committing no violence.

      You excused all of the BLM protestors and cried about unmarked vans over the BLM riots that were far more violent.

      You’ve denied antifa even exists, here they are attacking detransitioners.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/fromkalen/status/1634354898027401216

      You are an authoritarian leftist. Throw 800 people in jail for the 100 that committed violence.

      And Mike, are you aware of the FBI hiding and destroying evidence for the Proud Boys trial?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Look, Mike needs a secure world where he can cosplay nonconformist, and the current regime looks like his best hope.

      2. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

        Why are you such a GOP apologist?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Where am I apologizing you fucking retard? I'm against multi year sentencing for non violent crimes and speech. This is why we know you're not a libertarian. You think that stance is conservative.

    4. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      “I had no right to overturn the election and his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know that history will hold Donald Trump accountable,” Pence said…

      Where have I heard the concept that words endanger people?

      Oh, that is right. I heard it in articles reporting on students wanting to ban opinions because they are "harmful".

      History will harshly judge those who say mere words are harmful and dangerous.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Wait, are you saying that your personal belief is that words never endanger anyone?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

          Are you saying that your personal goal is a world without danger? Or fear of danger?

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Wow. Just admit it already Mike. Youre a post modernist liberal.

        3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Remember this from childhood? “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” Still applies.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            No wonder Mike mutes everyone. He cries whenever his narratives are challenged. It hurts him so badly.

            1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

              Der JesseBahnFuhrer says that Reason.com should be FORCED to carry murder-for-hire ads here in these comments, since words never hurt anyone! And then we should also tear down Section 230! And then Der JesseBahnFuhrer can post murder-for-hire ads here in these comments, SUE Reason.com for publishing such evil things, and walk away RICH, to the bank!!!! Ka-Ching, Ka-Ching, Ka-Ching, people!

        4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          How could words alone endanger anyone?

          1. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

            Travel back in time and ask Janet Reno!

            Publishers of the screed of the Unabomber… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber_Manifesto#:~:text=The%20Washington%20Post%20published%20the,with%20The%20New%20York%20Times.

            From there… “It was originally printed in a supplement to The Washington Post after Kaczynski offered to end his bombing campaign for national exposure. Attorney General Janet Reno authorized the printing to help the FBI identify the author. The printings and publicity around them eclipsed the bombings in notoriety, and led to Kaczynski's identification by his brother, David Kaczynski.”

            HELLO YOU GOVERNMENT-ALMIGHTY WORSHITTING FOOLS!!!! How do YOU feel about people being allowed to publish shit ONLY after Government Almighty gives them PERMISSION to do so, so as to bypass STUPID ASSHOLES who fucking idiotically and EVILLY confuse those who KILLED v/s those who PUBLISHED WORDS?!? Government Almighty PERMISSION needed to publish shit, if ye have deep pockets, so ass to NOT be sued!

            Government Almighty DAMN it all, ye assholes (AND most of the media, and Government Almighty itself, to include the SCROTUS) and stupid AND evil mouth-breathing MORONS, utterly beyond comprehension of sensible and benevolent folk! WHAT is your excuse for your stupidity and evil?

    5. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      no one cares except shitlib journalists and their fanboys

    6. DesigNate   2 years ago

      “… voice threats against public officials.”

      If you believe in that Thomas Jefferson quote, public officials should ALWAYS be worried about the mood of the public in regards to how they perceive the tyranny being forced upon them.

  10. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    So the big news this weekend is a potential bank bailout for Silicon Valley Bank. More than likely the FDIC will arrange a $1-2 share "takeunder" of the bank by some giant TBTF like Morgan/Chase. SIVB has Tier 1 equity of about $60/share so the purchase will be a steal.

    Anyhow I had a discussion with some Trumptard who stated "Democrats will bail out them out again".

    That is why I hate brainwashed conservatives. For their shear stupidity.

    I had to remind the dumb cracker that Bush 41 bailed out the S&Ls in 1990, Dumbya begged for TARP in 2008, and Fatass Donnie conned the country out of $900 billion in his PPP corporate bailout of 2020.

    The dumbass had no reply. He needed some AM radio redneck to make up a lie for him.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      They don't deserve a bailout with taxpayer money. If they had over $250,000 in there, fuck them. They stupidly failed to insure their own assets above FDIC and put all their eggs in one basket - always a bad idea if you have a shitload of money. So fuck them.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        Fine.

        But every effort should be made to arrange a shotgun marriage like WaMu back in the Financial Collapse. Shareholders are wiped out but depositors are covered by the purchaser. Oh, all executives are fired ASAP.

        If that can’t be done Obama signed legislation for an Orderly Liquidation in 2010 for this reason. It peels off the bank just leaving a worthless holding company.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          That's probably the best resolution for this, to force them to be acquired by another bank. Right now, no one wants to touch it.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            If no buyer steps up and Roku loses the $480 million on deposit and the other $140 billion is lost by other high-techs then we are in for a market meltdown.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              Nope. Dems and SV have relied on cheap money for 2 decades and kept feeding democrats to maintain the graft. Let them fail.

              Your only concern is protecting the left here.

              The economy can survive the 18th biggest bank failing. Stop taking narratives from Soros.

              1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                Dems LOL. Yes they have, and so has the GOP, you fucking lightweight

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                  Hey retard, SVB was pushing full ESG and funding democrats. Stop trying to gaslight here.

                  Whenever something the left does that fails is the time you show up screaming both sides as a form of protection. Youre not fooling anybody dumbass.

                  Most of us have been in for years calling out cheap money, government bond, being against MMT, anti ESG, etc. You show up only after those policies fail to throw and defend for the left. You never pushed back against the practices at the heart of the failure.

                  Gaslighting lefty shit.

                  1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

                    Look, you fucking moronic Trump loving goon, the right and left have propped up this phony system for decades together. Have you no idea of history at all? Are you a complete illiterate who only hears things from the talk box in the living room?

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Find a single post of me loving trump. Just one. I will wait.

                      And you're doing here exactly what I've accused you of. At least you're consistent. Wailing cries of both sides because leftist policies failed spectacularly and publicly.

                      Find one time you've posted against these policies. Just one.

                      Gaslighting lefty shit.

                    2. Sevo   2 years ago

                      Eat shit and die, asshole; make your dog happy.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Orderly liquidation? Like when Obama bailed out car manufacturers and put unions in front of investors? At least TARP ended up being deficit neutral. Obama bailout was a pure wealth transfer.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

            Bankruptcy courts put unions over investors because there was precedent to do so.

            Back when an airline declared bankruptcy the pilots union said they wouldn’t fly unless their pay was prioritized over investors so the court backed them. What good is an airline with no pilots?

            Now crawl back in your hole, Hannity.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              Lol. No it isnt precedent you retarded fuck.

              https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-auto-bailout-was-a-union-bailout/

              https://blog.ganderson.us/articles/economics/investors-betrayed-by-gm-and-obama/

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Neither link addresses the bankruptcy court in Delaware's opinion - which is the one that matters.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                  And you provided no links, just false claims of precedence.

                  This was widely discussed during the GM bailouts dumbass.

                  More.

                  https://www.heritage.org/testimony/auto-bailout-or-uaw-bailout-taxpayer-losses-came-subsidizing-union-compensation

                  https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-auto-bailout-and-the-rule-of-law

                2. Sevo   2 years ago

                  Well, remember turd, the ass-clown of the commentariate, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                  If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                  turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      So you haven't seen all the democrats calling for a full bailout? What does your tu quoque prove?

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

      I love that you’re such a demfag that when something is truly bipartisan, like each of those bills, you feel compelled to smear the Republicans only.

  11. SRG   2 years ago

    The Castile case gives us a "real" hypothetical. If Castile had actually pulled out his gun and shot Yunez, and later said, "I was in fear for my life". how many people would have bought that defence? I think he'd have been convicted of murder very rapidly. Yet we know from what actually happened that he'd have been right.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      ^ love this. if he didnt fear for his life he certainly should have.

      Everytime you face a cop you are closer to death than at just about any point in your life.

  12. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Remember the good old days, including some really old days--like 9th century, when conservatives had a monopoly on theocratic puritanism?

  13. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    This is definitely an issue where conservatives part ways with libertarians, and start using words like "libertine" as an ad hominem to change the subject from liberty to an indictment of the people who support it.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I'd say learn what "ad hominem" means, but your post clearly indicates that you don't know what "conservative", "libertarian", "people", or the ideas associated with the words "aspersion" or "pejorative" mean either. Much less recognize the last concept, when it is executed, in both directions equally.

      Rev. Kirkland talks about illiterate, backwater, cultural war losers like it applies to anyone around here except you and SPBP2. Just give up and end it already.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "I’d say learn what “ad hominem” means"

        He's got to know by now, he's been corrected by a hundred different people.
        I think at this point he's just fucking up the definition deliberately for the purposes of trolling.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

          He’s got to know that ‘libertine’ is neither a person nor a people. He’s got to know that conservatives don’t consider the word "conservative" or "Conservatives" a pejorative acontextually and that, if “conservative”, as used 21 times in the article, is being explicitly insulting, “libertine” as perjorative is just insult in turn. None of which requires knowing latin and the initial point not even requiring understanding of rhetoric. Thus the conclusion, “Just give it up already.”

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Just above he dismissed citations for being "non sequiturs".

            I've got to hand it to him. He's not afraid to look retarded.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        When people call libertarians "libertine," and then proceed to talk about their character rather than the topic, then that's an ad hominem. I see it here all the time.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Not if they are libertines, you ass.
          And no, "ad hominem" doesn't mean people calling out your ignorance, because 99% of the time that's what you're mad about.

        2. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Isn’t ad hominem dismissing someone’s argument based on their character or motive, ie: Since you’re a Christian your opinions on abortion are wrong. Not just basic name calling ie: You’re a retarded Christian and your opinion on abortion is wrong?

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Whenever you see or say "You are wrong," as opposed to "you are mistaken" or "what you say is incorrect," the argument is against the person.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              This could be one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. Bookmarked.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      If there is one truth in life, democrats are not trying to ban guns. Thank you sarc.

    3. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Conservatives mimic libertarians only to make people hate us the way everyone hates them. Their mantra in the 30s was "blame the Jyooz." In the 70s it was "blame all drugs." Nowadays the Protocols of Heckle Islanders chant "abolish the Fed" but keep sending the narcs to break down your door, shoot your dog, jail your kids and confiscate your house and car.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

        Conservatives had a shaky alliance with libertarians (classical liberals) on economic issues, but have never aligned on social issues. As conservatives have abandoned support for economic liberty and gone full authoritarian on both social and economic issues, that alliance has broken down. That leaves libertarians with some commonality with the left on social issues, but not on economics. To conservatives it appears that libertarians have drifted left (like when you're in a train and you can't tell if you or the one next to you started moving), when it is conservatives who have drifted away from liberty. Conservatives then accuse libertarians of being fully leftist, even though they’re polar opposites when it comes to the economy. The whole think makes my head hurt.

        1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

          Altruists have to be hypocritical. Integrity to an altruist is suicidal extremism. Either half of the altruism Venn Diagram has to regard the other as whack job extremists. Simultaneously they doublethink to feel threatened that someone, somewhere, might prefer freedom to the initiation of force altruism demands as ethical/moral.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

            I’m not sure what that means.

            The way I see it, altruism is concerned with fairness. The problem with that is that fairness and justice don’t mix. Even with an emulsifier. Justice results in unequal outcomes. To have equality of outcome, justice must take a backseat. That’s why altruists use adjectives like “social” or “economic” with the word justice, because doing so basically negates the term.

            Maybe we’re saying the same thing. I don’t know.

  14. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/FromKulak/status/1634634587643994115?t=TfIcowZi9XvhblbKocz3zg&s=19

    Trump vs. Desantis

    Does more need to be said?

    It should be a given, Trump so dominates the discourse and popular imagination... Few ever say "Desantis vs. Trump"

    And yet Trump's awful performance in 2020 has left a massive opening

    [Good thread. Think it will be met with approval here, but it's 22 tweets long and I don't feel like doing all that work]

    1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

      This has nothing to do with anything. You people are literal retards

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Did the weekend nurse forget your meds?

        1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

          I'm my own nurse and I put whatever I please into my body. Right now I smoked some tasty, but not very potent Rainbow Belts 2.0. I will eat a couple of mushroom capsules later and go snowshoeing.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Have you ever tried the roofies you stick in your niece's Chobani, Shrike?

          2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            I’m my own nurse and I put whatever I please into my body.

            Ok, whatever you say, Mr. Horsepaste.

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        The whole article from Reason has nothing to do with anything. It's between apocryphal and anachronism. People still conceptually living under (the fictions in their head about conservatism under) Nixon or Eisenhower (and still conveniently ignoring Kennedy and Johnson) and opposing *them*. If anything, it looks like a bunch of Boomer libertarians clinging to cause in a desperate last grasp for glory as reality passes them by and relegates them to the waste bin of historical irrelevance.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

          The older Reason Writers are much like the “indy” rock station in my town. It’s a Gen-X Nostalgia show. They literally believe we’re in the 1990s and they’re #resisting Newt Gingrich. Meanwhile the Red Guard marches past them.

      3. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

        True. They are why the Mute Loser button was added. Ben Franklin explained to young editors that helping them spew is a disservice to subscribers: "But I would not take upon me to spread his detractions: and that having been contracted by my subscribers to furnish them with what might be either useful or entertaining, I could not fill their papers with private altercations in which they have no concern without doing them manifest injustice."

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Good thread. Think it will be met with approval here, but it’s 22 tweets long and I don’t feel like doing all that work

      +1

      With Twitter and Substack posts like that, it becomes *very* obvious that Reason writers are faced with the option of learning to code or just suck Koch harder.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        That account was an incredible find.
        Became my first substack subscription.
        The clincher was leading off an article by talking about Videodrome...
        https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/why-is-legacy-media-like-this?r=1b6v2r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          American saw became subject to FCC “Equal time”, “Fairness doctrine” and “Decency” rules

          Tut-tut, those "decency rules" are the First Amendment of the Internet!

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          While the old-school ideologues, whether they be Rothbardians or Chomsky types, are almost certainly correct that Legacy media/the corporate press, has always been an instrument of gatekeeping, ideological control, institutional self censorship, and Manufacturing Consent, it is undeniable that every one of these institutions has gotten extraordinarily worse in a very few short years.</blockquote

          Truer words never spoken.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            The thing people often fail to acknowledge, probably just because we're used to our own perspective, is just how much more massive and further reaching media (and therefore propaganda) is today.
            Even if all those institutions are the same in manner as they were, if they hadn't gotten worse, their presence in our lives is so much more forceful, even if we try to avoid it. And then, even if we personally block out as much as we can, we still have to interact with other people. Those other people will be influenced and that will affect us even if we wall ourselves off from media.
            But the institutions have gotten worse. The people in the industry have less integrity, are more psychopathic, and have no shame in outright lying.
            It will be easier to get "normies" today to do horrors with a comprehensiveness and ease the architects of the holocaust or Rwandan genocide or the stasi couldn't dream of.

  15. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/mualphaxi/status/1634744829203628033?t=eEHH6lM0tc5r4ShANgSeQA&s=19

    If you thought the DEI law dean exploding in front of a federal appellate judge was bad, I have some news…

    Stanford is a fallen institution. It has gone insane since 2020. Here are the most ridiculous stories from the past few years, some of which I documented.

    Thread:

  16. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Politically crazy.

    https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/parents-political-views-affectt-their-kids-mental-health/

    Social media, we’re constantly told, is to blame. And TikTok may soon be banned or restricted by the Biden Administration. However, social media cannot be entirely held responsible.

    Children do not raise themselves — and the attitudes and ideologies of their primary caregivers have a profound impact on their mental wellbeing.

    This includes political ideologies, which experts now conclude can directly shape how a child sees the world. And liberal parents appear to be creating a generation of left-leaning and deeply disaffected children.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Fact: liberal kids have higher rates of psychosis than conservative kids. According to standard nanny-state medical strategy, we should protect kids from liberalism, right?

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Leftists will claim it is the conservative raised children bullying their left snowflake children.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        Leftism, in the world we now live in post 1990 or so, requires psychosis.
        One not only has to ignore how its policies have failed in every instance, but also must imagine boogeymen and the apocalypse are around every corner.
        Otherwise, all the premises of leftism are pointless.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      My mind is cast back to circa 1996 when, with bipartisan composition and near-unanimous support, regulatory efforts were successfully enacted to protect children from the internet. And actual libertarians replied "Just turn the computer off."

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        the libertarians were correct then and they are correct now.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Turns out a lot of those libertarians just had latent "Conservatives are ickier than pedophiles but if this bill fails now, they'll find out about my CP habit and if kids can get porn anywhere I won't be able to get my fix." infections just waiting for Trump and Twitter, or similar, to trigger it into virulence.

          1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

            that may be true adn a LOT of libertarian types have shown their true colors once trump came on.

            but the principled classical liberals know that the government should not have a damn thing to do with the internet whatsoever.

            1. mad.casual   2 years ago

              but the principled classical liberals know that the government should not have a damn thing to do with the internet whatsoever.

              Yup. Would've been nice to separate the wheat from the chaff sooner. Or now.

            2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

              but the principled classical liberals know that the government should not have a damn thing to do with the internet whatsoever.

              That's why I support the Communications Decency Act. Keep your government hands off my internet laws.

              1. Davy C   2 years ago

                Is that supposed to be sarcastic? Without the CDA people use government courts to shut down speech on websites. It's government all the way down.

  17. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Virtue signalling your way into a bank run.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-03-10/lulz-svb-website

    Since I entered Friday massively short, and have zero buying power left, I was bored enough to wander over to a place I've never been in my life - - the Silicon Valley Bank website - - and take a look around

    I thought I'd share some nuggets from there, since, for the moment, the website is still up and running. As you might guess, since this is a financial institution, it is absolutely SLATHERED with virtue-signaling. Indeed, there's not a white male to be found anywhere except for their actual senior leadership page, which is the kind of do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocrisy rampant in modern American corporations, particularly banks.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Yeah, but think of how successful the bank would still be if only Womyn and POC had made all the investing decisions.

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        Yeah, but think of how successful the bank would still be if only Womyn and POC had made all the investing decisions in accordance with ESG guidance.

        It would be like all the dish soap commercials I see and shopping trips I hear about where setting fire to small piles of money and dowsing it with water several times a week actually saves money and water when compared to going out and setting fire to a massive pile of money and then using a fire truck to put it out once a week.

  18. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    They might get something back, but just say no to bailouts for the super-rich.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yellen-says-government-will-help-svb-depositors-no-bailout-fed-fdic-hopes-talk-special

    With just hours left until futures open for trading late on Sunday afternoon, the situation remains extremely fluid and for now it appears that regulators, central bankers and treasury officials (we won't mention the White House where the most competent financial advisor is Hunter Biden) still don't have a clear idea of how they will coordinate or respond.

    It wasn't clear which depositors she meant: as we first pointed out on Friday, out of SIVB’s $173 billion of customer deposits at the end of 2022, $152 billion were uninsured (i.e., over the $250,000 FDIC insurance threshold) and only $4.8 billion were fully insured. As we also noted last week, a further look at SIVB funding (pie charts) shows unusually high reliance on corporate/VC funding; only the small red private bank slice looks like traditional retail deposits to us.

    As a result, as JPM's Michael Cembalest says "It’s fair to ask about the underwriting discipline of VC firms that put most of their liquidity in a single bank with this kind of risk profile.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Zerohead called Buffett an idiot for loaning Bank of America a lot of money during the financial crisis. He got repaid plus warrants for 700 million shares.

      It’s Official: Warren Buffett Made About $13 Billion on Bank of America Deal
      Berkshire exercised warrants to buy 700 million shares, making it Bank of America’s largest shareholder

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/its-official-warren-buffett-made-about-13-billion-on-bank-of-america-deal-1504042725

      Buffett and Soros are the best investors to ever live.

      So I don't take Zerohead seriously.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        you're doing great.

        "Im sMaRTer tHaN zErOHedGe!'

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Yes, Warren Buffet received payback after it was extracted from my hip pocket.

        WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government early Friday morning agreed to invest $20 billion in Bank of America, and to protect the bank against up to $118 billion in potential losses from bank assets related to risky mortgage loans.

        Early Friday morning, Bank of America reported a $2.39 billion fourth-quarter loss and slashed its quarterly dividend to a penny. Meanwhile, Merrill Lynch posted a $15.31 billion loss for the period. The company reported a profit of $4 billion for the year.

        "Last quarter we said that market turbulence, economic uncertainty, and rising unemployment would take its toll on quarterly earnings, and that has certainly been the result for the fourth quarter," Chief Executive Ken Lewis said during a conference call with investors Friday.

        "Congress has passed a financial stabilization plan as well as other programs put in place, starting to stabilize the market and promote liquidity, but at a pace slower than any of us would like," he added.

        Quarterly revenue after interest expense rose 19% to $15.98 billion from $13.45 billion a year earlier. Net interest income, or the money banks make on loans minus what it pays out in interest on personal bank accounts, rose 37% to $13.41 billion from $9.82 billion. The increase was fueled by higher market-based income, the favorable rate environment, loan growth and the acquisition of mortgage lender Countrywide Financial.

        Warren Buffet owes me some fucking money.

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "Soros are the best investors to ever live"

        Remember when Soros tried to collapse the British economy in order to clean up on short selling, or how he pulled a similar stunt and kicked off the 2008 financial crisis?

        Shrike thinks "dirtiest", "crookedest" and "best" all mean the same thing.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          I remember when Soros fondly reminisced about his teenage years stealing treasure from Jews to start his fortune.
          The National Socialists were generous patrons to him.

  19. mad.casual   2 years ago

    The marijuana that alarmed Yanez also figured in public comments about the shooting by Dana Loesch, a conservative radio host who at the time was a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association (NRA). Castile's death seemed to be a clear case of an innocent man who was killed for exercising his Second Amendment rights. But the NRA, which initially called the incident "troubling," never took a position on whether the shooting was justified. Several journalists thought they had an explanation for the NRA's reticence when Loesch brought up Castile's marijuana use, which made it illegal for him to own a gun, let alone carry one in public.

    ^What you say when the *entire field* of jurinalism has forsaken the 1A more broadly and criminally than the NRA has forsaken the 2A.

    Further;
    Ctrl+F: Biden 7 results
    Ctrl+F: Newsom 0 results
    Ctrl+F: Pritzker 0 results
    Ctrl+F: Cuomo 0 results
    Ctrl+F: Bloomberg 0 results
    More pointedly:
    Ctrl+F [Frey or any other democratic mayor in Minneapolis' more than 50 yr. unbroken string of them]: 0 results
    Further:
    Ctrl+F: liberal 0 results
    Ctrl+F: conservative 21 results

    What the fuck is wrong with you?

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Yes, but conservatives...

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Robert Reich is an idiot, but we knew that already.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberals-blame-trump-silicon-valley-bank-collapse-citing-2018-bipartisan-bill

    "By the way, Trump deregulated banks like Silicon Valley Bank, which failed Friday," Robert Reich, who served as labor secretary under former President Bill Clinton, posted on Twitter Friday after news that Silicon Valley Bank had been shut down by FDIC regulators in an effort to protect customers as the bank faced a liquidity crunch after losing $2 billion.

    EJ Antoni, research fellow in regional economics with The Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis, told FOX Business on Saturday that the collapse had "nothing to do with Trump or Dodd-Frank" and more to do with an "unusual confluence of events."

    Antoni explained that the bank "dealt almost exclusively with tech firms which usually rely on continuously rolling over large debts" which means that the firms are "not paying off their debt but simply taking out new debt to pay off the old."

    The criticisms of Trump drew a strong pushback on Twitter including from journalist Glenn Greenwald who pointed out that President Biden has been in office for two years.

    "Biden has been president for more than 2 years," Greenwald said. "His appointees control all regulatory agencies. Until 2 months ago, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress.

    "So whose fault is this week's collapse of the Silicon Valley Bank? Obviously: Trump's (probably Putin's, too)."

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Needz moar regulashunz!

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Reich is a midget, both physically and intellectually.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      he may actually be the dumbest person to ever hold the position, which is a low bar as it is.

  21. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    The activists moved on to something new.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/great-transitioning

    GLAAD is a media watchdog group that was founded in the ’80s to protest what they saw as the media’s homophobic coverage of the AIDS crisis. Their name was originally an acronym for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, but in 2013 they formally dropped the words “gay and lesbian” to reflect their advocacy for transgender people and the broader “LGBTQ community.” This shift in emphasis has been typical of gay rights organizations over the past decade, as what was once a movement focused on securing the rights and safety of gay men and women has transformed into a movement with different goals altogether.

    Today support for gay marriage is at an all-time high, with 71% of Americans backing it, including most Republicans. While left-wing causes like economic justice and equality have stalled, progressives can confidently claim to have won this culture war. If anything the victory was perhaps too sudden and total. In the fight for gay marriage, an activist infrastructure was built up; after Obergefell, the activists needed a new cause and found one in gender ideology.

    This new regime is appallingly humorless and literal-minded, lacking my old friend’s intensity, creativity, and wit. Yet it uses a lot of the vocabulary I first learned from him—“cis” and “trans” as well as “misgendering,” and coopts this former vanguard’s moral courage.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      "I'll see your apathy towards guys marrying each other, and raise you indoctrinating kids in elementary schools to induce gender dysphoria, race hatred, and rejection of families."

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        On deck: pedophile rights

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      GLAAD 1995: "Love is love, we just want tolerance"

      GLAAD 2005: "We just want equality"

      GLAAD 2012: "Bake the fucking cake or go to jail, asshole"

      GLAAD 2015: "Say my pronouns or lose your job"

      GLAAD 2023: "Your kids WILL watch transsexual strip shows, and you'll call it 'brave and stunning'"

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago

        GLAAD 1995: “Love is love, we just want tolerance”

        Conservatives 2003: We shouldn't be jailing gay people because gay, but for more durable and equitable effect we should do it under longstanding principle rather than just re-interpreting new principles about protection we just invented a scant couple decades ago. And we certainly should be convicting everyone who drags someone to death behind a pickup truck whether the victim was gay or not. Murder is murder. Otherwise, it's a slippery slope.

        GLAAD 2003: Shut up, bigot. Despite the fact that we have a page literally labeled "Our Mission" on our website, there is no agenda!

        ...

  22. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Some states just exist as an example of what not to do.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_ea1b9c34-bf8e-11ed-a78e-7b95acb6647f.html

    Attention on judicial integrity has been raised with the focus on $2 million in campaign contributions Gov. J.B. Pritzker made to two Illinois Supreme Court justice candidates who won in November. The court hears cases next week. In one high-profile case, Pritzker is a top defendant.

    Pritkzer downplayed his $1 million donation to each of two then-supreme court candidates who are now on the bench of seven. He gave half a million from each of his political campaign and his revocable trust to Supreme Court candidates Mary O’Brien and Elizabeth Rochford. That's despite the governor signing into law last year limiting contributions to such campaigns to $500,000 from single individuals.

    For the record, the Illinois Supreme Court is split 4-3 D-R. Those two rescuing themselves makes it a 2-3 D-R split.

    “It’s important to point out that that kind of stuff is inappropriate, he did circumvent the rules basically by doing that, giving from different entities,” Wilhour said. “The governor should lead by example in those kinds of things.”

    State Rep. Ryan Spain, R-Peoria, said campaign spending is growing, but there are other issues of fairness like the judicial redistricting Democrats approved in 2021.

    “Let’s remember, 600,000 voters said we need to change how we deliver redistricting in the state of Illinois, [former Illinois Supreme Court Justice] Tom Kilbride was the deciding vote to squelch the wishes of those voters,” Spain said.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      But the lesson only works if we can isolate Illinois and let the place fully implode. Federal bail-outs only invert the lesson.

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      ...

      https://twitter.com/GovPritzker/status/1634290790976442368?t=M1FwNKAsDEJLFWBSNzRMlw&s=19

      I’m proud to proclaim today as Abortion Provider Appreciation Day in Illinois.

      To the clinic staff and volunteers who help those in need and treat their patients with dignity and compassion: thank you for the critical and lifesaving work you do. #CelebrateAbortionProviders

  23. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/innoc_bystander/status/1634773053304610818?t=lL0B3CaCJE-Lode0d5MYTg&s=19

    Really trying to wrap my head around why VCs are loosing their goddamned minds, given:

    1) A significant portion of these deposits will be recouped, and,
    2) you’re looking at a couple weeks before that happens (2 pay periods?)

    And I think I’ve figured it out.

    SVB provided special products to startups that allowed Founders and Leadership Teams to cash out before the cash out. This completely eliminated the pain of not going public earlier.

    It also allowed firms to offer late round SBC to employees who, once vested, could also access these products.

    This meant companies could scale indefinitely, growing their private valuation, until the VC-laden board decided it was time to dump it on the baggies (NYSE).

    There are very few other banks who offer these solutions, and certainly none at the scale of SBV.

    If they disappear then Founders will need to go public earlier to retail talent and scale.

    They do not want to see the next AMZN go public at $18/share. That is a nightmare.

    The ‘protect the depositors’ line is a Trojan horse. They want full blow bailout.

    But they can’t do that until they get the Fed at the table by faking an aneurism.

    [Links]

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      1) A significant portion of these deposits will be recouped, and,

      My understanding is a significant portion of deposits won’t be recovered, because what made SVB unique is that a very large # of depositors had deposits far-exceeding the $250,000 FDIC cap.

      The ‘protect the depositors’ line is a Trojan horse. They want full blow bailout.

      Yes, again, because the depositors won't get a significant portion of their funds back.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        I'm not going to pretend to be overly familiar with how it works, but I assume the OP means the money will be recouped via other means than the FDIC insurance.

        All I know is Yang, Mr. Left Populism Help the Little Guy, himself is going apoplectic asking for a full bailout... as are plenty other characters you might expect... and doing their utmost to incite panic by pushing the fear that the whole banking system will crumble if the asshole tech sector isn't bailed out by taxpayers.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1634963262533160962?t=0WiEWFn_3MskwU5m9NI9Vg&s=19

          If the Feds don’t step in for Silicon Valley Bank, every sane depositor will pull funds from any bank that’s not JPM, BAC, C, or too big to fail. How does that not cause runs on smaller regional banks?

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            He's still going

            https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1635003859906211840?t=3AJAIUoZ3rn-f4glMKmMaQ&s=19

            Whatever innovation you like and care about - clean energy tech and sustainability, materials science, biotech and drug discovery, smart infrastructure - chances are high that companies working on that precise thing use(d) Silicon Valley Bank.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              Yang left out democracy. I am sure our very political system will crash if we don't prop up the incestuous SV ecosystem.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1634938477774241794?t=Ggv_vdte2kOk7LP1Zkq9Rw&s=19

        Easier said than done--but couldn't #SVB be an FDR-like moment for Biden? Can he show that targeted government regulation and oversight are needed precisely for the sake of markets and capitalism? And that saving capitalism is too important to be left to feckless Republicans?

      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/GRDecter/status/1634969359171870720?t=W-9IiMS8dKE0qAdw6Aj27w&s=19

        Companies that have disclosed exposure with Silicon Valley Bank:
         
        - Circle: $3.3 billion
        - Roku: $487 million
        - BlockFi: $227 million
        - Roblox: $150 million
        - Ginkgo Bio: $74 million
        - IRhythm: $55 million
        - RocketLab: $38 million
        - SangamoTherapeutics: $34 million
        - LendingClub: $21 million
        - Payoneer: $20 million

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          I live a full life without any dealings with any of those companies listed.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            You'll have some dealings, and you'll like your dealings!

      4. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1634721115670032390?t=UnlLnRH0sQOXAa2tw72aKA&s=19

        JUST IN: Regulators are requesting Silicon Valley Bank employees to stay on for the next 45 days, at 1.5x their current salary.

        Hourly workers will be paid double if they work overtime. Employment for all is contingent on “acceptable performance.”

        Read more:

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Wow.

      5. Davy C   2 years ago

        How bad are their losses? If they lost 50% of their money then if they sell everything they'd be able to give depositors 50% eventually, right? Or are they so leveraged that they can't even get 50% back?

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    And where's the missing jobs?

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/nearly-40k-illinois-jobs-still-missing-3-years-after-pandemic/

    Illinois added 9,600 fewer jobs in 2022 than was initially reported, meaning the jobs lost since the pandemic hit three years ago now stands at 39,500, according to new data released March 9 by the Illinois Department of Employment Security.

    The downward revisions also mean Illinois is missing even more jobs compared to pre-pandemic levels than previously thought. As of January 2023, the state was missing 39,500 jobs compared to when jobs peaked in January of 2020. The largest share of the missing jobs are concentrated in the leisure and hospitality sector, which is still missing 38,000 jobs.

    The U.S. economy fully recuperated pandemic-era job losses in June 2022 and has since added more than 2.7 million jobs. Illinois’ ability to fully recover remains a question, with the state hitting a record population loss of 104,437 in 2022.

    Additionally, a recent stress test conducted by Moody’s Investors Service found most states are well prepared to financially withstand a recession. Illinois is not one of those states. The report found Illinois to be among the least prepared to handle even a moderate recession.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Not in the Democratic machine.

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Wait. More economic numbers revised down??? Just amazing how consistent that has become.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        I’m surprised shrike hasn’t stopped by to deny it.

  25. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    Or maybe driving while being doped up + packing a gun is just universally stupid.

    Not even nature itself makes exceptions for being retarded.

    Nice narration spin though.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      he did nothing wrong. he shouldnt have been stopped much less killed.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        I know my State has laws against driving intoxicated.

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago (edited)

          I know my constitution has articles against unlawful search and seizure.

          States have laws against all kinds of stupid shit. You’re NEVER not breaking a law. The whole point of “probable cause” is that you cannot be stopped at random. The cop admittedly didn’t know the dude might have been intoxicated, or anything else. Without probable cause if a crime in progress, nobody should ever be stopped and confronted by police.

          There’s a difference between the individual and the principle here. The principle is sound. He never should have been stopped.

          1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

            Apparently he was stopped due to a crime; just unrelated..

            1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

              Not a crime he committed.

              But, that's not the point. It was your comment about "driving intoxicated" I was referring to. My point is that that is irrelevant. You're arguing that this guy committed a crime is moot here. He was pulled over for being a black man when two other black men had committed a robbery.

              It isn't smart to be driving stoned, nobody believes otherwise. But that wasn't why he was stopped. And that's NO excuse for a confrontation, especially one where someone ended up dead.

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            Why did he stop the guy?

            1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

              Because two black men committed a robbery. The cop saw a black guy with dreadlocks, pulled him over saying it was for a tail light (which was a lie) when he was looking to see if it might be the robber.

  26. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/realgreggd/status/1634758525007044608?t=JZ-mMycygxsMmYgwBevBog&s=19

    The most insane part of this, Sam and Vicki Weaver were murdered by the ATF. These commies get to take over land and shoot at cops, and the government just shrugs.

    [Link]

  27. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Jeffrey Epstein said he stopped hanging out with Trump 'when he realized Trump was a crook,' according to his brother

    Hilarious.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeffrey-epstein-said-he-stopped-hanging-out-with-trump-when-he-realized-trump-was-a-crook-according-to-his-brother/ar-AA18uLSe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0733dd7da4ff4b5eaa7e95e26680e5bd&ei=24

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Very reliable source there.

      1. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

        Boy, you can't take shit being talked about Trump. I mean, you are a loyalist to the core.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          It's Epstein's fucking brother, Shrike. And for fuck's sake stop samefagging your posts.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          Eat shit and die, asshole.

        3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

          Where did I make a comment about Trump retard? I was saying the sourcing of shrike, your, cites are always laughable.

          Do you know how many of your trump articles have been false narratives you leftist shit?

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      second hand account of a discussion with noted man of integrity jeffrey epstein.

      Trump still lives rent free if your pedo head doest he?

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      you're a pedo referring to epstein as a reliable source for whatever point you're trying to make.

      not a good look.

  28. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Alt_Azn/status/1634942805683621888?t=Tyo_UVL7ZMQQ2smFnTUHRg&s=19

    Mike Judge's Silicon Valley was so true. These self important people think they are creating "innovation".

    Apps with money at SVB:

    -reminds grocery stores when food will expire
    -helps rich people plan parties
    -sends e-mails to non-profits
    -edits TikTok style videos faster

  29. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    One of the things that accurately tracking law enforcement use of deadly force statistics would make possible would be looking for correlations between prosecution rates of rogue cops and use of deadly force. It has been my opinion for a long time that if "I thought he had a gun" and "I feared for my life" no longer excused criminal behavior while wearing the badge, murder while on duty would go down significantly. I believe that since there seems to be a trend over the last few years towards police policies limiting unnecessary "contacts" by patrol officers and increasing likelihoods that law enforcement officers will be charged, tried, convicted and punished after using deadly force, police and deputies and narcs might stop acting like Rambo wannabees.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      a big help would b e to make it legally required that all liability payout for cop behaviouru come from the pension funds, not from the taxpayers.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Stop it, you're giving me a chubby.

  30. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/jjfThompson/status/1634547999077457926?t=O4nnwj-kEn_xEgXFY_RhJg&s=19

    If Jefferson Davis’s first announcement as Confederate president had been that the Confederacy was going to abolish slavery, Lincoln and the Radicals still would have invaded the South. If the Confederacy had informed Lincoln at any point during the war that it was going to start an emancipation program, Lincoln would not have suddenly called off the federal invasion. Not once did any Republican leader offer to halt the federal invasion if the South would agree to abolish slavery. The key issue was Southern independence, not slavery.

    1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

      Oh, for goodness’ sake.

      From Mississippi’s secession declaration:

      “In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

      “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery…

      “We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property.”

      https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

      From Georgia’s secession declaration:

      “The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery….

      “The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by [the Republican Party’s] leaders and applauded by its followers.

      “With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers….

      “…by [the Republicans’] declared principles and policy they have outlawed $3,000,000,000 of our property in the common territories of the Union; put it under the ban of the Republic in the States where it exists and out of the protection of Federal law everywhere; because they give sanctuary to thieves and incendiaries who assail it to the whole extent of their power, in spite of their most solemn obligations and covenants; because their avowed purpose is to subvert our society and subject us not only to the loss of our property but the destruction of ourselves, our wives, and our children, and the desolation of our homes, our altars, and our firesides. To avoid these evils we resume the powers which our fathers delegated to the Government of the United States, and henceforth will seek new safeguards for our liberty, equality, security, and tranquillity.”

      https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_geosec.asp

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Keep sucking that totalitarian dick, soy.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago (edited)

          “The Fed wasn’t driven by eliminating slavery, they were driven by forcing the South to submit to rule by DC and to crush notions of territorial self determination. Nothing in the constitution existed to justify this position. As people at the time made abundantly clear, the Fed would not be satisfied by ending the practice."
          SJW: “But sLaVeRy! Southmanbad! You’re not allowed to talk about anything else! Racism is ALL!”

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Just pathetic, woke, simp deflection from a legitimate point.

            1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

              Deflection from the argument that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery?

              (I read some of this guy’s other posts – and he uses the persona of a Confederate soldier, so he’s not simply an anti-statist expressing concern about the Hamiltonian etc. etc.)

              I’m not sure how this neo-Confederate stuff slipped into the libertarian catechism.

              Well, I guess y’all will have to retire the “Democrats were the party of slavery” talking point, if the Democrats were right all along.

              Lincoln, like other Unionists, would almost certainly *not* have accepted an antislavery, independent Confederacy. If that option had been on the table and Lincoln turned it down, then that would have been wrong, wouldn't it?

              Contrariwise, if (as happened on our own plane of existence) the Confederacy wanted both independence *and* slavery, then should this demand have been recognized by the North?

              Anyway, I have followed your links with great interest, but sometimes you slip in something, to put it mildly, contentious. Like me being a cocksucking soy boy.

              This poster is no Lysander Spooner, he’s a neo-Confederate, it’s on his profile.

              1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

                And for the Southern rulers, states’ rights was a one-way ratchet. *Their* states got to defend slavery, the Northern and Western states would be required to give up their rights in the name of slavery, specifically –

                -no jury trial (or even judicial trial) for alleged fugitives

                -no presumption of freedom for their own black inhabitants

                -the so-called “right of sojourn” (that is, Southerners holding people in slavery while visiting the North, in defiance of Northern freedom laws)

                Plus, the federal government was to be the enforcement arm of slavery in the territories and the high seas, turning the United States into a larger version of the Confederacy.

                The Southern cause meant “federal supremacy and slavery for you, states rights for us.”

                1. Nardz   2 years ago

                  Ok, Fed.

                  1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                    Are you a federal agent provacateur, with your neo-Confederate links?

                    1. Nardz   2 years ago

                      Mises is neoconfederate now?

                      And today we've outed The Margrave of Azilia ad just another woke totalitarian leftist like chemjeff.

                    2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                      The Twitter account you linked to blurs two issues:

                      (a) the claim that Lincoln shouldn't have gone to war

                      (b) the proposition that the the Confederacy was awesome and defending good old American principles.

                      The specific link you gave had a proudly-flying Confederate flag image, so I thought you were promoting (b) as well as (a).

                      You want to sip from the poisoned woke/neoconfederate chalice, assuming you can get the benefit of the refreshing water while spitting out the 1619 Project poison.

                    3. Nardz   2 years ago

                      You're completely ignoring the information that makes up the substance of the post because you think the OP is rAcIsT.

                      Gtfo chemjeff2

                    4. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                      I told you, I realize now you were trying to drink the libertarian water while spitting out the woke poison. I just don't think you were that good at it. You somehow managed to swallow both, Nikole Hannah-Jones II.

                2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                  And don't forget Taney's "parade of horribles" - states' rights for him meant *the right to disarm black people.*

              2. Nardz   2 years ago

                I don't give a damn who he is, he makes a good point.
                He posted about the Fed's motivations, and you changed the subject to confederate motive.
                Did you even realize that, or are you so brainwashed by postmodern nazism that you can't see anything beyond the CRT 1619 narrative?

                Would the confederate states abandoning slavery have stopped the war?
                No.
                The prime motive wasn't slavery, it was secession. The Feds didn't wage war to end slavery, they waged it to end secession.

                But what if it was to end slavery? You really want to endorse humanitarian war now?

                1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                  Fair enough, you're just borrowing one of his arguments, you're not adopting every argument in his account. Though in the specific link you provide he has a Confederate flag painting, so one could understand the confusion.

                  Lysander Spooner was fairly consistent in rejecting slavery, which *as he defined it* included one part of a country enslaving another part. But he probably wouldn't have Confederate flags on his Twitter account to muddy up his point.

                  1. Nardz   2 years ago

                    Stay woke, margave.

                    1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

                      It seems *you’re* fairly woke, promoting a Twitter account which associates slavery and states rights and makes the Confederates into representative Americans.

                      Just like the 1619 project does.

                      Maybe you can get a Pulitzer, too!

                    2. Nardz   2 years ago

                      Please explain how the confederates weren't Americans.
                      This should be fun

                    3. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

                      GTFO, Nikole Hannah-Jones II.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://mises.org/wire/demolishing-lincoln-myth-yet-again

        DiLorenzo is fully prepared for the objection that even if the Southern states had ample reason to oppose Lincoln’s economic plans, they had no legal right to secede. In this view, Lincoln had a constitutional duty to preserve the Union by any means necessary. The historian Allan Guelzo claims that Southern secessionists were guilty of treason by their efforts to leave the Union. In what to my mind is the highlight of the book, DiLorenzo turns the tables on those who charge the Southern states with treason. The United States was a compact of sovereign states, and a state that no longer wished to remain part of the Union was free to leave.

        This view of the matter was not dreamed up by Southern firebrands in 1860; it had behind it the weighty authority of Thomas Jefferson.
        "In an August 12, 1803, letter to John C. Breckinridge of Kentucky, who had inquired about the secession movement that was gaining prominence in New England at that time, Jefferson wrote that if there is to be a "separation" then "God bless them both [that is, both regions of the union that were at odds], & keep them in the union if it be for their good, but separate them if it be better." (p. 22, brackets in original)"

        If one accepts Jefferson’s approach, Lincoln’s nationalist understanding of the United States was, as Murray Rothbard would say, “monstrous.” As DiLorenzo writes,
        "Lincoln justified the military invasion of his own country and the mass killing of fellow American citizens by the hundreds of thousands with a theory that the people of the "free and independent states," as they are called in the Declaration of Independence, were not sovereign, that the Union—which is to say, the federal government—was the real sovereign; that the federal government was therefore supreme; that the Union was not voluntary; and that no state had a right to secede from it…the theory that the union of the states is older than the states themselves makes about as much sense as the theory that a marital union can be older than either spouse—in which case they would have been married before they were born….No state would ever have ratified the Constitution if this—Lincoln’s theory of the "more perfect Union"—was what the founding generation thought the document said. (pp. 109–11)"

        1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

          I won't use a Reason forum to defend Lincoln, Lord forbid.

          But there's this - "even if the Southern states had ample reason to oppose Lincoln’s economic plans"

          Their main opposition was to his slavery plans.

          And under the compact theory, there has to be a *violation* of the compact to justify secession. You'd have to be a 1619 Project sympathizer to believe that Lincoln was breaking the constitutional compact simply by adopting the American principle that freedom was national and slavery, sectional.

          Of course, there are separate issues - did the federal compact justify secession? No, because there'd been no violation of the compact by the North unless you're a wokester who thinks the antebellum Constitution was a proslavery document. But should the North have gone to war? A different question, a more pragmatic question.

          1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

            Yes, the Mises article invokes the compact theory. And indeed the Constitution is a compact among the states.

            But a compact is an “agreement or covenant” – as with a commercial contract, you can only renounce a compact if the other guy breaks it first.

            So tell me which parts of the Constitutional compact Lincoln was going to violate if he were allowed to peacefully take office?

            You would have to be an anti-American wokester, a 1619 project devotee, to think that a presumption against slavery – while recognizing Southern slave-state laws – violated the antebellum Constitution. Leave that sort of thing to the New York Times and the faculty lounges. The idea is so toxic and anti-American that you wouldn't be able to teach it in Florida classrooms, thanks to DeSantis.

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              Gtfo chemjeff2

              1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                I'm not going to whine about people being mean to me on the Internet, even if they're woketards who embrace the 1619 project and its neocon[federate] devotees.

                1. Nardz   2 years ago

                  LOL, you can't even make sense

                  1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

                    It’s very simple. You drank the woke/neocon[federate] poison, as explained above.

                    The wokesters associate slavery with states rights. So do the neocon[federate]s.

                    The wokesters say the antebellum constitution was proslavery. The neocon [federate]s agree (they think it justifies secession under the compact theory on account of the North’s antislavery actions).

                    The wokesters point to the Confederates as representative Americans, even as upholders of American ideas. So do the neocon[federate]s.

                    I’ve already gone out of the way to make clear that maybe you weren’t *trying* to promote all this merely because the link you gave has a Confederate flag on it and the account belongs to a neocon[federeate]. You were trying to drink the pure waters of libertarianism while spitting out the woke/neocon[federate] poison.

                    But the poison turned you into Nikole Hannah-Jones II.

                    1. Nardz   2 years ago

                      This is just sad

                    2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                      Have you found a new color to dye your hair with?

  31. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Speaking of how marijuana laws threaten gun laws, my state government which is pretty much uniformly for marijuana legalization *checks notes* (omg, marijuana is totes legal here, because the drug war is bad) is about to pass one of the most sweeping gun ban laws in the nation.

    As a result, I picked up one of these yesterday which grandfathers me in. I recommend anyone living in Washington State to do the same and do it before the end of the week.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      I called several gun stores yesterday, most were out of stock but getting new ones in as fast as possible. I was able to find a shop with them in stock, and I jumped in my truck and drove down there, making the purchase right away. As I stood there, several more were purchased, running them out of stock.

      The forces of marijuana legalization are not automatically your friends, Reason. Just take note of that.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      the whole west coast is going california style lately, as OR also just passed a statewide measure that is on par with California. Ironically all the cali gun regime is about to get struck down by Judge Benitez. Mag limits, assault rifle bands and even the handgun roster are all going down in the flames in the coming weeks. will be loevely to see the proggie heads exploding all over the place

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Mag limits, assault rifle bands and even the handgun roster are all going down in the flames in the coming weeks. will be loevely to see the proggie heads exploding all over the place

        I'll believe that when I see it.

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          the judge's ruling is almost certain, but the state will scramble and file for an injunction with the 9th while they appeal. this is likely to happen but then the question becomes will the 9th circuit affirm in order to avoid a supreme court showdown, which could end up invalidating all the laws in all states like these, or will they overrule, trigger a ScoTUS appeal and see what happens. most legal analysis seems to agree the SCOTUS would affirm judge Benitez and change the gun c ontrol landscape drastically, so the bolsheviks on the 9th circuiit may make a tactical decision to avoid that..

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            I'm amazed that you have so much faith in the US Court system after all we've seen.

            1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

              one must keep hope.

              Bruen happened.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I wish their heads would explode. Instead they'll just keep passing laws, and keep watching them get shot down, until something sticks. They are relentless.

          1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

            ...and keep watching "them" get shot down... the usurpations or the fools they send out to enforce them at gunpoint?

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Laws. For example New York keeps getting gun control shot down by the Supremes, but they respond with more laws that essentially do the same thing in a different way. And they won't give up. Ever.

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      As a result, I picked up one of these yesterday which grandfathers me in.

      I compliment you on your paperweight purchase. Hopefully all the papers in your life are generally orderly of their own accord and, if not, may it serve you well in suppressing any errant pages that blow your way.

  32. emilywilson1680   2 years ago

    Satta Matka is a form of gambling which originated in India. It involves betting on the opening and closing rates of cotton transmitted from the New York Cotton Exchange. It has been popular for many years, and has become a part of Indian culture. The game is still played today, and can be found online on various websites. Satta Matka can be played for both real money and virtual money, with players able to bet on different numbers or combinations. With its simple rules and potential for big winnings, it's no wonder that Satta Matka remains so popular today!

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      New Yorkers who faded bets on the last digits of US Treasury reports were, and still are, jailed as policy or numbers racketeers. That's Christian National Socialist free enterprise.

      1. Roberta   2 years ago

        Why not just trade on the values themselves or some derivative of it?

  33. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

    Conservatives...fail to pounce.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Says the State Supremacist

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

        Seriously? I show above how you're promoting woke/neoconfederate ideas.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Feel free to poll the audience here, because you didn't do anything close.
          Your woke midwit ass responded to a post about how the Feds' driving motivation in the Civil War was to prevent secession from DC by saying the confederate states motivation to secede was slavery... which is completely irrelevant unless your position is that states didn't have a right to leave the union but DC has the right to use the US military to invade and subjugate any territory is disapproves of.
          At least have the integrity and balls to just come out and say it.
          Instead, you again changed the subject to attack the OP as an implied rAcIsT and then ramble on about "real libertarians" (despite libertarians, real or otherwise, not having been mentioned or claimed).
          Then when you were (accurately) called as a woke state supremacist because of your arguments, you feebly responded with "nuh uh- you!"

          1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

            I was confused by your quoting a neocon[federate] in a post with a confederate flag in it and the absurd hypothetical “If Jefferson Davis’s first announcement as Confederate president had been that the Confederacy was going to abolish slavery”

            When you said, in your usual polite way, that you were simply quoting the remark for its analysis of the North alone, and weren’t trying to associate yourself with the woke/neo[confederate] thesis which the guy’s account promotes, then I acknowledged your more limited purpose. I just don’t think you were successful in carrying those motives out any more than if you’d linked to a Jacobin article with a hammer-and-sickle flag.

            But I’m tempted to prove I’m not chemjeff in the following manner: by finding something else to amuse myself other than arguing on Reason, maybe I can show I’m not him.

            But no promises!

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              Good call, because you've embarrassed the hell out of yourself and blown your cover

              1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                So who am I, exactly?

                1. Nardz   2 years ago

                  Some woke midwit asshole trying to pass itself off as libertarian

                2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Jeffy.

            2. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago (edited)

              “how the Feds’ driving motivation in the Civil War was to prevent secession from DC by *saying* the confederate states motivation to secede was slavery” [emphasis added]

              You seem to be distancing yourself from the proposition that slavery motivated secession, which seems to make my remarks more relevant.

              I said the legitimacy of the Northern war effort was separate from the legitimacy of the Confederate cause, but you seem unwilling to concede that I separated those issues.

              So in short, there was a slight miscommunication – you linked to a post with a Confederate flag on it, run by a neocon[federate] and hypothesizing a ridiculous scenario where Jefferson Davis freed the slaves, and I jumped to the conclusion that you were endorsing the poster’s overall woke/neocon[federate] thesis. Now that I recognize that you were trying to criticize the North alone, you won’t take yes for an answer. I acknowledged that your contamination with woke/neocon[federate] ideas was not purposeful on your part.

              1. Nardz   2 years ago

                "the proposition that slavery motivated secession"

                LOL
                Jesus fucking christ, the confederate motive for secession isn't relevant at all.
                YOU brought it up to morally justify DC supremacy and rejection of self determination.

                1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                  No, Nikole, I said several times that those were two separate issues, and I accepted your explanation that your linking to a neocon[federate] post with a Confederate flag proudly flying on it was not on purpose to associate yourself with everything he said.

                  1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

                    And meanwhile - to show I'm wasting way too much time on Reason - I'm on Volokh being abused for being a conservative shill with a hidden agenda of suppressing the Left.

  34. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/status/1634683968447471617?t=vTOf_5CtrMwqew9tChdTFg&s=19

    It is a complicated issue. But if you (and the GOP) won’t accept that 1) Russia interfered in the 2016 election through social media and 2) preventing that is a legitimate goal of the FBI, then you don’t belong in the nuanced convo on the balance between NATSEC and lawful speech.

  35. Roberta   2 years ago

    This piece is only partly about what its headline says, and is mostly about the drug and other exceptions to the conservation of individual liberty by "conservatives" in North America and most or much of the rest of the world. It's about "us" vs. "them". "Conservatives" think themselves libertarian — and really, in or environment, they mostly are — because they have in mind freedoms for "us", not for "them": a "them" that they consider outside of society, maybe actually anti-social. "Conservatives" just don't think about the things "they" do.

    Meanwhile, the only reason "liberals" side with "them" is because they see "them" as helping to deliberately upset the social order. If it disturbs traditionalists, it's good.

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      What part of "BAN PLANT LEAVES, SHOOT, ROB AND JAIL PEOPLE FOR THEM" is laissez-faire, free market or deregulated free trade and individual rights?

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Biden was the anti-drug warrior, not Trump, you delusional old nut. This isn't McGovern vs Nixon any more.

  36. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Already passport applications contain new verbiage to try to trick you into writing an essay about that seed in your pocket at a Doors concert. Foreigners are deported daily on pretexts no less silly.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Jim Morrison died fifty-two years ago, grandpa. Your Doors concert will involve more formaldehyde than weed.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Jim Morrison is alive and living in a small town in eastern Oregon.

  37. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1634934297202405376?t=yeqXRrPYPDGknMeezC-ITg&s=19

    Senator whose megadonor went to prison for scamming Medicare and using the money to fly said Senator to the Caribbean to plow through underage hookers sits on the Senate Banking Committee lol

    [Link]

  38. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    The Second Amendment allows States to have all weapons necessary to counteract nuclear warheads, and forbids people like Nixon to sign treaties infringing the right of the well-regulated militia to keep and bear arms. Republican looters are no less treasonous than their Kleptocracy aislemates on the importance of this part of the Bill of Rights. In fact, the very last clause of Section 10 in Article 1 allows the States to defend themselves if “…actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.” Legalization protects. Prohibition kills.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      It’s 2023, grandpa. Nixon was a half century ago.

  39. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/sunnyright/status/1634996768466419712?t=-tQa0aWp0y5KNQUJLccnBg&s=19

    If you want to make a generation hate capitalism, I can think of little better than telling them they’re on the hook alone for their student loans but the billionaire bank needs to be bailed out because collective good.

    The quickest way to have people hate capitalism and the free market is to corrupt both by privatizing the gains and socializing the losses.

    To have investors at all costs (understandably!) avoid sharing the profits of their investments but then demand to be bailed out from
    their failures.

    Especially at the same time as those people tell student loan borrowers (correctly!) that they’re on their own because they made their own decisions and personal responsibility.

    And as they didn’t give a single crap when other banks failed and this happened.

  40. TangoDelta   2 years ago (edited)

    We all know the NRA kowtows to the police as they probably make up 1/3 or more of their membership. They are overwhelmingly pro-police & tough on “crime”. They are absolutely not pro-freedom and will defer to law enforcement every time when it doesn't involve guns - and even then they'll sidestep if they reasonably can.

  41. Nardz   2 years ago

    Gay

    https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1635049943584096256?t=jCrfPokT-NtIxH14YYH8mw&s=19

    Fed just announced they will be bailing out depositors in SVB seizure

    No buyer came forward over the apparently the contagion risk was high enough to get them to intervene

    Now, you'll need to watch inflation. All of this was avoidable. There is no free market

    [Link]

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1635079979888427009?t=H8BASG_S3wFYXBa5-5ug_A&s=19

      Biden: I am committed to "holding those responsible for this mess fully accountable."

  42. M78   2 years ago

    I could be wrong but If you read the fine print on the contract from NRA Carry Guard I think you will find that any amount of THC in your blood invalidates the insurance coverage.

  43. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1635055612617977858?t=o-Z4Jl6Xqhw5nxzo63CQVg&s=19

    Mass mob of over a thousand foreign nationals rush CBP officers in El Paso trying to cross Southern border into America.

    This is invasion.

    [Video]

  44. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1634987844828807168?t=MTJUK2UFayFJJlt7bq6IOg&s=19

    Spotted in Brooklyn: the American Flag has a new design

    [Pic]

  45. CE   2 years ago

    Constitutional conservatives might also wonder why we ever needed the 18th Amendment, if the Feds can just ban whatever they feel like.....

  46. AT   2 years ago

    Here's the thing. We know, with absolute certainty, that the risk of harm that comes from misusing guns or drugs goes up exponentially when combined with a regular 'ol inoffensive exercise of liberty. And this is a problem.

    Republicrats aim to "solve" that problem by legislating either the liberty or the object. Or both. And in doing so, they're missing the obvious solution: sentencing guidelines. Very strict and inflexible ones.

    If you're driving a car and you harm someone, there's civil and potentially criminal liability. As well there should be. So, rather than legislate drugs or guns, just up the consequences when it comes to said liability.

    So, for example: If you get into a fender bender, you're arguably liable for the damages you cause to someone else. But if you get into a fender bender while high, if proven in a court of law, you're STRICTLY liable to them, AND you spend some time in jail. (And if both are high, then liability is negated, and you BOTH spend some time in jail.)

    The message being: enjoy your liberty, but remember that they don't extend to depriving others of theirs. Have your fun, but don't let it come at the expense of someone else.

  47. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1635099767205408769?t=Y4MVEdetjSZ0vVUpWBMBEA&s=19

    The System is systematically starving the oil and gun industries of capital while bailing out the green and tech industries when they vaporize their own capital through basic dumbassery.

    You starting to understand why National Divorce resonates?

    1. AT   2 years ago

      It only resonates with people who aren't thinking very hard. Even if it were logistically possible (which is a big if just all on its own), it'd never be any kind of clean break into two easily divided nations. It'd be a Balkanized mess of in-fighting and disputed borders/resources, the likes of which China and Russia are just licking their chops at the thought of picking off one by one.

      It's a terrible idea, and the people advancing it should really think twice before they do so - especially if they're accusing (or being accused of) things like "treason" or "insurrection." Remember what the "U" in USA stands for, and start brainstorming things that are conducive to it rather than entertaining whatever idiocy is "resonating" with idiots.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        There used to be way for peoples with divergent interests to live together in relative peace in one United States. It was called "federalism".

        1. AT   2 years ago

          Indeed. Which is why "national divorce" is stupid, and why "neuter the federal government" is the more appropriate approach.

          Return to the Lochner Era, abolish the "Administrative Branch," turn the Executive Branch back into the figurehead position it was in the first place, and put every legislator up against a wall with the challenge that they either recite A1S7-10 from memory or get an immediate Recall By Lead.

  48. Anil124   2 years ago

    What a real story about the Drug Exception to the Second Amendment.

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  49. mjs_28s   2 years ago

    It is almost NEVER weed that turns someone into a scofflaw or someone that has violent tendencies. It is sometimes people that are scofflaws and have violent tendencies also drink, do drugs, etc.

    To act like everyone who has done or currently used marijuana is a problem or the problem is no different than acting like the woman that is having a 2 ounce pour of a 20 year old port with her chocolate lava cake and vanilla bean ice cream is just as dangerous as the raging alcoholic who also happens to be a dangerous law breaker.

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  51. jerrywilson   2 years ago

    Satta Matka is a form of gambling that has been around for centuries in India. It involves predicting the outcome of a lottery draw, and betting on the result. This game has gained immense popularity in recent years, with people from all walks of life taking part in it. With its ever-growing fan base, Satta Matka is becoming one of the most popular forms of gambling in India. In this article, we will explore what Satta Matka is, how it works and why it has become so popular among gamblers today.

  52. VoteQuimby   2 years ago (edited)

    You simple minded twit. Parroting the duopoly line that we are all unable to function without them.

  53. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    Hey look, the guy who spends half his waking time commenting online is here! Again...

  54. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    And his new found fondness for spit roasting.

  55. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    Libertarians for enforcing norms!

  56. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

    "This comment has nothing to do with the article."

    Yes, R Mac Who Talks And Snorts Smack, we noticed that about your comment!

  57. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    VQ thinks insulting people makes him independent. In ways besides not having any friends.

  58. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    VQ is Buttplug pretending he has a friend.

  59. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    What is your point? Yes, it's a duopoly. You are the dishonest shill that pretends like one is less dangerous. I don't participate in magical thinking.

  60. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    VQ is as libertarian as the angry old man who yells at people from his front porch.

  61. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    Fuck off, Trumpista. Never met more angry old men than your ilk

  62. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Reminder. The raging leftists gaslighting here can call others trumpistas, just don't ever correctly call them out for running defense of the left.

  63. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    That's OK. Coming from VQ, I take "Trumpista" as a compliment.

  64. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    I ill say, at least you are upfront about your lack of libertarian principles and love of the GOP.

  65. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Lol. I have far more libertarian stances that you've ever shown. You only pop up to defend leftist failures. Find one time you've advocated against the policies and stances of SVB prior to today. Just one. I will wait.

    Youre a gaslighting leftist.

  66. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    Man, can you tell my wife, an actual leftist, that I am that too? She gets really mad when I flog Biden's shit from Ukraine to East Palestine. What's funny though, is she never calls me a conservative. Because she's smart enough to know that having intellectual honesty means taking aims at both sides when they suck.

  67. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    Do you believe in the free movement of people? Do you believe that each and every individual has autonomy over their own bodies? I don't think you do. I am sure we agree that no way in hell should banks be bailed out and that regulations and tax codes need to be simplified or disposed of and that the Keynsians are economic morons right there with the MMP crowd, but do you support individual rights at the basic level? Should people be free to move free from political border constructs? Should people be able to ingest any substance they prefer, kill themselves when they want to or any other thing that conservatives tend to get all moralistic about? Like I said, I doubt it. You want freedom for you and your ilk, you don't give a fuck about anyone's elses because you have no principles.

  68. JesseAz   2 years ago

    I see you've provided zero citations. Lol. Always popping up when the left makes a mistake.

  69. DesigNate   2 years ago

    “Should people be free to move free from political border constructs.”

    The only way this works in reality is either One World Government so there are no more borders between States, or some kind of anarchist-capitalist utopia. Until either of those is achieved, governments are going to set the rules for entering/leaving their geographical borders.

  70. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    Geez, another inmate who skips his meds on weekends.

  71. SQRLSY One   2 years ago

    All non-authoritarians DESERVE to be inmates, yes!

    All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=During%20the%20leadership%20of%20General,that%20contradicted%20the%20official%20dogma.

    All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

  72. mad.casual   2 years ago

    Agreed, but still worth noting the precognitive predicament of pro-pedophile party protecting platforms by passing prohibitions paradoxically and permitting personal liberties parsimoniously.

  73. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    P punctuated prose.

  74. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    Alliteration is clearly your strongest attribute.

  75. Nardz   2 years ago

    Positively passable prose

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  77. Sevo   2 years ago

    Eat shit and die, asshole; make your family proud.

  78. VoteQuimby   2 years ago (edited)

    Hey, you fucking retard Trump loving piece of shit, you are a stupid pussy too cowardly to do anything about anything.

  79. VoteQuimby   2 years ago

    Well I don't know about the 1st 2 things you listed being, but you got the 3rd one right.

  80. Sevo   2 years ago

    Eat shit and die, asshole; make your family proud.

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  82. SRG   2 years ago

    As I've noted before, if the story had been reframed, "Government official kills US citizen, gets away with it" perhaps the reaction would have been stronger.

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