Conservatives at CPAC Criticize—and Misunderstand—Section 230
A senator, a state attorney general, and a former congressman excoriated the law while getting much of it wrong.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis skipped this year's Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), but his ideas were still on display.
Conservatives and Republican officeholders gathered in the Washington, D.C., area for the first time since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. Featured among the schedule of events and appearances was one talk titled "Big Tech– Break 'em Up, Bust 'em Up, Put 'em in Jail." Panelists included Sen. Mike Braun (R–Ind.), Florida attorney general Ashley Moody, and former Rep. Devin Nunes (R–Calif.), who served nearly two decades in the U.S. House before resigning in order to serve as CEO of Truth Social, former President Donald Trump's social media service.
While nominally about Big Tech companies and their role in everyday Americans' lives, the discussion touched on Section 230, the 1996 law that protects online platforms from legal liability for most content their users post. It allowed the internet to grow from nascency to ubiquity, but politicians on both the right and the left think it should be reformed or simply repealed.
Each panelist has an unimpressive pedigree on free speech and internet freedom. Braun cosponsored the 21st Century FREE Speech Act, which would have replaced Section 230 with "more limited protections." While in Congress, Nunes filed numerous lawsuits alleging hundreds of millions of dollars in defamation claims against people and personalities who said mean things about him on Twitter. And Moody, as Florida's top law enforcement official, is defending the state's blatantly unconstitutional social media law which DeSantis championed as "guarantee[ing] protection against the Silicon Valley elites."
On stage, the panelists complained about Section 230 and its effect on the internet. Braun complained that "Most of us do not get the benefit of having laws put in your favor—everybody else can get sued for whatever they do wrong," implying that tech companies cannot.
When asked to explain Section 230, Moody mischaracterized the law, saying it allows platforms to "publish information and not be held liable." The law does protect platforms from liability for what users post: If you publish information to a website, then you can be held liable for the content. The entire purpose of Section 230 is to place the liability on whoever created that content. If somebody posts something defamatory on Facebook or Twitter, then Facebook or Twitter cannot be held liable because they were not responsible for crafting the message.
The panel's moderator, Dan Schneider of the Media Research Center, lauded that all three panelists were "fighting…the good fight." Unfortunately, all of the panelists misunderstood what Section 230 does and what it's good for.
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Nunes is no longer a public figure advocating free speech policy. He is a businessman advocating laws that will affect his competitors.
Hey, does everyone remember when Mike "White Mike" Laursen (formerly Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.) shit his pants over Eric Schmidt serving on government boards that affected his competitors during and immediately following his tenure as the CEO of Google?
I sure don’t remember that. I don’t even know who Episiarch is.
But thank you for playing.
Lol. Thanks for admitting your hypocrisy and hyperpartisan shilling you fucking retard.
That's the screen name you used to use as a primary account, while Bo Cara Esq. was the trolling, gaslighting sock you used until nobody would talk to you anymore and you created the Mike Laursen sock to replace it before you changed it to White Knight during the Trump administration. I can understand how that's confusing. Don't feel bad. Sarcasmic often gets his sockpuppets so confused that he posts his SQRSLY One copypasta from his main handle, and vice versa.
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If you don't want to acknowledge your days as Episiarch and Bo Cara Esq, how about the two years spent as a DNC shill while sockpuppeting as White Knight.
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Kinda funny criticizing anyone else for misunderstanding what Section 230 is when you begin your article by calling it a law that was passed in 1996, rather than a subsection of a law that was passed in 1996 by the religious right to fight obscenity on the internet and subsequently repealed in its entirety with the sole exception of that subsection.
Slight disagreement on one point, it wasn't passed by the religious right. Large portions and even the specific section were of bipartisan authorship and the bill passed with near unanimity.
it wasn’t passed by the religious right
Better said that "It wasn't past by *just* the religious right." The Religious Right, somewhat 'rightly' at the time, saw it as a way to prevent porn and viagra popups. The Left saw it pretty much the same way they see it now: as a way to force anyone they deem a Nazi (or Troll or Russian Hacker) off any given part of the internet.
When someone misunderstands it as badly as you, you shouldn't be commenting on it *at all*.
You don't need Section 230 to realize you can't compel platforms to host content they don't want to, conservatives fantasies about viewpoint neutrality notwithstanding.
Of course if you weren't a total moron, you wouldn't be a conservative.
Wow. That’s a lot of (incorrect) context to inject into what I didn’t say or post. And I say "incorrect" as what are the critical points are factually and verifiably true: Exon (D) and Gorton (R) penned the majority of the act and Cox (R) and Wyden (D) penned the specific section. It passed 91Y/5N/3A in the Senate and Clinton signed it. You might say the Religious Right pressured or horse traded to get it passed or whatever, but it factually was not “passed by the religious right”.
Either you’ve replied to the wrong post or you’re somebody else with a lot of emotional baggage about their ignorance who has forgotten what sock they’re posting under.
“a law that was passed in 1996, rather than a subsection of a law that was passed in 1996”
Which all went into a huge volume of laws. So, but they have to give it all numbers and sub-numbers.
“and subsequently repealed in its entirety with the sole exception of that subsection”
LOL, you just gave an excellent reason not to nitpick that it was originally passed as a section of a law.
Matt Welch called for the repeal of section 230 in an article a few months ago. Either that, or he unwittingly believed that when he called for repeal of "The Communications Decency Act" that somehow, slide #230 of the powerpoint presentation would remain after hitting "delete".
It’s quite gracious human behavior to come to a website that lets you hang out and post comments for free every day and find little bit picky things to say to criticize their stories.
This is the best you're going to get when Mike gets proven absolutely 100% wrong.
I supported Reason financially for twenty years, fuckstick. Through both subscriptions and donations, and I'll be fucked if I let it become just another dishonest, establishment prog gaslighting organ without raising a fuss.
Here's another thing, White Mike. You're not the Reason Foundation. You like to LARP as a consummate insider, but you're not. You're also not the comment's policeman. You're not the boss here. You don't get to tell everyone what they can and cannot do.
What you can do is fuck off to a place more in tune with your politics. Have you tried Salon?
He thinks he’s peacocking for ENB. It’s pathetic.
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When asked to explain Section 230, Moody mischaracterized the law, saying it allows platforms to “publish information and not be held liable.” The law does protect platforms from liability for what users post:
So, is he correct or are you just using the term ‘post’ as distinct from ‘publish’ because you, ironically as a journalist, don’t know what either of those words mean?
They just admitted the quiet part. A youtube video is a user post; promoting it is up to youtube.com, aka publishing, because users have no control once posted.
Reason promotes comments by their timestamp, giving higher visibility to older comments, and whether a comment is a reply to higher-ranked comment.
There is no distinction here. You can't display user content without an algorithm making a choice of which items to put in front of you.
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Once again -- §230 is only "necessary" because the US judicial system is unsuited to enforcing terms of service. Big Tech is free to violate their own contracts and repudiate their marketing because no one is going to use the US judicial system to stop it -- not people, not government.
When Reason gets back to basics and complains about the judicial system being too slow and expensive, they will have some credibility. As long as Reason instead supports bandaids like §230 to avoid fixing the judicial system, they have no credibility.
Get back to basics. Get out of DC. Fire KMW.
When Reason gets back to basics and complains about the judicial system being too slow and expensive, they will have some credibility.
IDK about slow and expensive. Despite Reason's assertions of the end of free speech at the hands of litigious trolls, Kelloggs has been unsuccessfully sued four times since 2007 for the lack of fruit in Froot Loops.
I would agree with just generally broken and in need of broader fixes (English Rule, FTW).
No fruit, but is there froot?
Non-sequitur: there are actually “OO”s in “froot”.
Actual liabilty: Kelloggs boxes are defective as they frequently dispense just one "O" or odd numbers of "O"s.
For fuck sakes, if we took Matt Welch's advice and repealed the Communications Decency at (and along with it, both sections 230 and 231 along with it), the internet would be left with *gasp* the First Amendment to protect it! It wouldn't be saddled with provisions that made them liable for "knowingly transmitting obscene or indecent" materials to children under 18. Oh how the first amendment is just too restrictive for that!
While nominally about Big Tech companies and their role in everyday Americans' lives, the discussion touched on Section 230, the 1996 law that protects online platforms from legal liability for most content their users post.
Reason manages to misunderstand Section 230 in this statement right here.
From the article: " The entire purpose of Section 230 is to place the liability on whoever created that content."
Well, maybe the SCROTUS will set things straight! Let us PRAY to the SCROTUS, to PROTECT us all!
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This from a psychotic piece of shit who didn't even recognize 230 when it was posted and didn't even know what it did.
The stupid fuck thought it constrained government, rather than stopping private lawsuits.
Cut him some slack. He was probably distracted by a pile of dogshit near him.
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer… No matter HOW many times you tell your “Big Lie”, it is NOT true! You’re part of the mob, aren’t you, gangster? For a small fee, you tell small businesses that you will “protect” them… From you and your mob! Refute the below, ye greedy authoritarian who wants to shit all over the concept of private property!
Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
Seems they did that they quite well with Roe v Wade too.
It is getting pretty bad when the party lobbies to dismiss their own rulings.
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So then… Holocaust victims and their kin should be able to PUNISH the “Institute of Contemporary History” for the sins of Adolf, right, speech-control asshole(s)?!??!
Publishers of the screed of the Unabomber… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber_Manifesto#:~:text=The%20Washington%20Post%20published%20the,with%20The%20New%20York%20Times.
From there… “It was originally printed in a supplement to The Washington Post after Kaczynski offered to end his bombing campaign for national exposure. Attorney General Janet Reno authorized the printing to help the FBI identify the author. The printings and publicity around them eclipsed the bombings in notoriety, and led to Kaczynski's identification by his brother, David Kaczynski.”
HELLO YOU GOVERNMENT-ALMIGHTY WORSHITTING FOOLS!!!! How do YOU feel about people being allowed to publish shit ONLY after Government Almighty gives them PERMISSION to do so, so as to bypass STUPID ASSHOLES who fucking idiotically and EVILLY confuse those who KILLED v/s those who PUBLISHED WORDS?!? Government Almighty PERMISSION needed to publish shit, if ye have deep pockets, so ass to NOT be sued!
Government Almighty DAMN it all, ye assholes (AND most of the media, and Government Almighty itself, to include the SCROTUS) and stupid AND evil mouth-breathing MORONS, utterly beyond comprehension of sensible and benevolent folk! WHAT is your excuse for your stupidity and evil?
Simple questions for ye:
Some Islamofascists killed some people. Who should be blamed, the Islamofascists, or some people who conveyed some info about and-or from the Islamofascists?
Putin and flunkies killed some people. Who should be blamed, Putin, or some people who conveyed some info about and-or from Putin?
WHY does it take $34,745,364 and 9 Super-Superior Magically Wise Elders to finger these things out for us?
WHERE HAS SANITY GONE?!?!?!?
WHERE HAS SANITY GONE?!?!?!?
You certainly wouldn't know. You and sanity have never even had a passing acquaintance.
I’m not supposed to say, but sanity is hiding out at my lake home for the winter.
No, dear Joe, you misunderstand Section 230. Section 230 is part of a law that has been almost entirely repealed. Section 230 then took on a life of its own and has been applied to subjects it was never intended to apply to. That alone is reason enough to abolish it, and for SCOTUS to abolish it.
"Repealed" and "struck down as unconstitutional" aren't the same thing, and if you want to repeal every single law that stands because of the severability doctrine, you've got a long, long, LONG list to get to before S230.
That alone is reason enough to abolish it, and for SCOTUS to abolish it.
Less, the fact that it can be interpreted equally as “Congress is obligated to protect non-offensive speech” and “Congress may protect speech it approves of” is reason enough to repeal it whether actually Congress or the FedGov does it one way or the other, which is why the 1A was written in the first place.
"When asked to explain Section 230, Moody mischaracterized the law, saying it allows platforms to "publish information and not be held liable.""
He didn't mischaracterize it. That's exactly what 230 became in practice.
Hello, are you plotting and scheming to post murder-for-hire ads, and then SUE Reason.com for “publishing” your shit? Ka-ching Ka-ching Ka-ching ALL of the way to the bank, baby!!! Wooo-Hooo!!!
I’ve got no problem at all with not being held liable for someone’s post, I’ve got a problem with removing posts it doesn’t like, or adding editorial content in the form of fact checks and other such nonsense, while claiming they aren’t acting as a publisher.
If you’re a platform, you’re a platform. If you’re acting as a publisher, you aren’t a platform.
It seems only Reason understands laws and gets them right.
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