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Disinformation

Global Disinformation Index, Inform Thyself

Time and time again, so-called disinformation watchdogs fail their own tests—the lab leak is just the latest example.

Robby Soave | 2.28.2023 10:01 AM

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The Global Disinformation Index (GDI)—a British nonprofit that smeared Reason as an unsafe news website using dubious criteria—might want to take a closer look at newly uncovered disinformation being spread by… the website of the Global Disinformation Index.

GDI is partly funded by the U.S. State Department, and seeks to discourage advertisers from working with news outlets like Reason on the theory that we misinform our readers. (NewsGuard, a more transparent advising organization, rates Reason 100 out of 100 "for the highest adherence to journalistic practice.") It has recently come under considerable criticism from conservative and libertarian news websites following the publication of an expose in The Washington Examiner.

GDI earned itself additional criticism this week, after the U.S. Energy Department endorsed the lab leak theory of COVID-19's origins. Previous reports by GDI warned advertisers to blacklist news sites that attempted to blame the pandemic on a lab leak, and implied that any website asserting a cover-up on the part of the Chinese government was promoting racist disinformation with the capacity of harming Asian people. GDI's messaging on the lab leak theory was clear and consistent: News websites that explored this topic should be demonetized. According to The Examiner's Gabe Kaminsky:

GDI alleged in a February 2020 report dubbed "Coronavirus: The makings of a disinformation pandemic?" that "adversarial narratives" are emerging as a key "disinformation tactic." The report called out Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) for raising the possibility on Fox News that COVID-19 came from a lab.

"By broadcasting the Senator's words to a national audience, this debunked conspiracy theory is given authority, validation and amplification," said GDI in the report.

One month later, in March 2020, GDI released a report titled, "Why is Ad Tech Funding These Ads on Coronavirus Conspiracy Sites?"

The report, which slammed Google and other companies for "providing ad revenue streams to known disinformation sites peddling coronavirus conspiracies," called out the conservative blog American Thinker for publishing a commentary article titled "The Wuhan Virus Escaped From a Chinese Lab." GDI also took aim at a company selling N-95 masks for advertising in the article.

Portraying the lab leak notion as a dangerous, racist conspiracy theory never made any sense, and journalists, health officials, and disinformation trackers—like GDI—that enforced this narrative should feel profoundly embarrassed.

But that's not all GDI has to atone for.

On Monday, I called out several of the journalists who incorrectly smeared lab leak origin proponents as racists—The New York Times' lead coronavirus reporter, Apoorva Mandavilli, chief among them.

Another journalist who penned an unfortunate tweet about the lab leak theory is The Atlantic's Anne Applebaum, who likened Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) to a "Soviet propagandist" for merely raising the possibility that COVID-19 escaped from a Chinese laboratory.

Tweet from Anne Applebaum
Tweet from Anne Applebaum (Screenshot via Twitter)

Applebaum has previously produced some excellent work. She has authored two books on the horrors of Soviet communism: Gulag: A History, on Soviet prisons, and Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine, about the Holodomor. But she erred when she described the lab leak theory as akin to Russian disinformation.

Notably, Applebaum was also listed on the GDI's website as one of its principle journalistic advisors. Given GDI's misguided approach to the lab leak theory, I wondered if Applebaum was partly responsible—or whether she would now advise GDI to change course. So I emailed her.

Her response was surprising, to say the least.

"Until a few days ago I was not aware that I was listed as an advisor on the GDI website," writes Applebaum. "I last spoke to them when they were still raising money—probably 2018 or 2019—and have not advised them on anything or had any contact since. I have asked to have my name taken off their website, which they agreed to do."

GDI misrepresenting Applebaum as a member of its advisory panel is especially hypocritical, given the organization's stated reasons for placing Reason on its list of "ten riskiest online news outlets." GDI dinged Reason for not displaying "information regarding authorship attribution, pre-publication fact-checking, or post-publication corrections processes." It is not clear exactly what the organization meant by this; GDI did not respond to a request for comment.

But GDI's own website has clearly committed a transgression that sounds remarkably similar: It listed an advisor who actually had nothing to do with the organization, and nowhere on GDI's website does it currently explain the mistake. There is no statement along the lines of, Anne Applebaum was erroneously listed as an advisor to GDI and we regret the error. It seems like GDI lacks clarity regarding its own authorship attribution and fact-checking processes.

Time and time again, so-called disinformation watchdogs fail their own tests, but this is a particularly galling example. The State Department has no business funding such sanctimony.

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  1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "The Atlantic's Anne Applebaum"

    So this person is troubled by "disinformation," especially the type surrounding major global issues.

    Yet she's associated with The Atlantic, which is run by Jeffrey "Iraq / Al Qaeda Connection" Goldberg?!

    #DoesntAddUp

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      It is also interesting that Robbie takes Applebaum's word at face value. That's some fine investigative reporting there!

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Just like interviewing Fauci.

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        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          I’m sure Robby had to agree to preconditions to ge that interview. The Fauch doesn’t answer questions that aren’t pre approved.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        Remember when Robby Soave was handpicked by Fauci to do a softball interview with?

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Narrator: she was not bothered by misinformation. not one bit. She was bothered by wrongthink.

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    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      What I don't get is how are accusations against the Red Chinese government "racist" when Chinese people oppose the Red Chinese government?

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        I don't think there is anything to get. If you don't like something, or it is politically inconvenient, call it racist.

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          ^

        2. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

          (And, of course, anything we do to fight racism is justified!)

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        When someone goes around calling COVID-19 "kung flu" it doesn't exactly clearly communicate that the speaker is carefully distinguishing between the Chinese government and the Chinese people.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Does it change anything regarding truthfulness? Or is that just your excuse for dismissing it blindly?

        2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

          There was nothing to distinguish.

      3. Rob Misek   2 years ago (edited)

        They’re yellow. What?

    4. Rob Misek   2 years ago

      This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.

      I value the inalienable human right to free speech.

      I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.

      I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.

      I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.

      You fuckwits including GDI don’t do any of this. Your evidence, if you have any, doesn’t support your claims and that doesn’t even matter to you. You will never logically win any argument that way but you still think that’s unfair. It’s no way for adults to behave.

  2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    GDI dinged Reason for not displaying "information regarding authorship attribution, pre-publication fact-checking, or post-publication corrections processes."

    At least Reason is unapologetic about the fact that it's funded by silver spoon billionaire Charles Koch and exists mainly to promote his financial interests (especially open borders). 🙂

    1. Overt   2 years ago

      Withheld from the quote by Soave was the fact that GDI also dinged Reason for failing to correct disinformation in the comments.

      Mike, Chemjeff and JFear should thank Reason for allowing their disinformation ("Masks prevent the spread of COVID", "Vaccination will stop the spread", "Vaccination will stop variants") to stay, otherwise they might have found themselves nowhere to post!

    2. perlmonger   2 years ago

      Man, Robby is super butthurt over this GDI thing.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        It is personal when a Reason ox gets gored.

        1. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

          But hey, "NewsGuard, a more transparent advising organization, rates Reason 100 out of 100," so it's perfectly fine to censor those evil spreaders of misinformation it identifies! We should get the U.S. government to support it instead of those jerks at GDI!

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Yet wapo, nyt, etc enjoy high scores despite spewing lies for 4 years. Including Pulitzer awards.

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            The Putting Words in Other Peoples’ Mouths Parade will be right back after this commercial break!

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              I think you are too self unaware of how boring and tiresome you are.

      2. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

        Less chance of invites to cocktail parties.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        I don't get it. Isn't GDI a private company?

        1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

          Loss of ad revenue is my guess. As Nelson from the Simpson's says: Haha.

      4. Nardz   2 years ago

        "Robby is super butthurt over this GDI thing."

        I don't think so.
        I think it's just an act.

  3. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    Robby, you do know that the 'fact checkers' don't really check facts, right?

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      Considering he didn't fact check Applebaum's claim to not be a GDI advisor, I'd say he knows how fact checkers work.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Applebaum and Soave have the same masters.

  4. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

    ""Portraying the lab leak notion as a dangerous, racist conspiracy theory never made any sense, ""

    Sure it does if you understand it was about control not education.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Pretty sure Reason published one or several articles calling the lab leak a conspiracy theory

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        It sort of was. Just a correct one. There was almost certainly some kind of conspiracy to discredit the idea of lab leak origin.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          If anybody remembers the Fauci emails, right out of the gate some of his NIH brethren were saying it looked like a lab leak. They were ordered by Fauci to STFU and they did. The MSM never bothered to cover this fact nor did Reason. Fauci knew it was a lab leak from day 1. Maybe Robbie could ask him about that now that they're on a first name basis. Or maybe talk to Rand Paul.

          1. Zeb   2 years ago

            At this point the base assumption is that they were always lying. No benefit of the doubt for those assholes.

            1. Nardz   2 years ago

              They were.
              And Reason was uncritically repeating whatever they were told to say.

  5. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    Now do Global Warming

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

      Or Trump vs The Swamp

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

        Or Partisan Sexual Assault claims

  6. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    "If you do not read the paper you are uninformed. If you do read the paper you are misinformed." -Mark Twain

  7. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...GDI is partly funded by the U.S. State Department,..."

    There's the problem right there. An arm of a government which is involved in 'managing' news to affect election outcomes.

    1. Overt   2 years ago

      "No. It's just private actors making free choices. If they choose to take money from the government to censor people that is their private decision."

      Compare that to the argument that private companies choosing to censor FOR FREE at the government's behest is somehow acceptable. None of it is acceptable. The government cannot request or pay people to censor. And anyone who accepts those requests- whether for pay or free- is willingly participating in government censorship.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Nuh uh, it just means their interests align. - White Mike

        (Just completely ignore the impropriety of the government even asking in the first place.)

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          As long as 1 person can find the story it isnt censorship. Also Mike.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        "...The government cannot request or pay people to censor. And anyone who accepts those requests- whether for pay or free- is willingly participating in government censorship..."

        Any and all government agents must NOT make any 'requests' of any news distributing organization.
        A government 'request' only means the gun is not visible.

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      I wrote my legislators about this [$500+K US taxpayer dollars] being sent to GDI]. My Representative's [a Republican] office responded within a day; however, my senators Gary Peters D, MI] and Debbie Stabenow [also D, MI] had no response whatsoever. It is quite clear that they do not represent the likes of me, and are likely saying "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

  8. The Jeffersonian   2 years ago

    I spent two decades in the Life Sciences and Chemical Analysis Division of Agilent Technologies and my first thought when Covid got loose was that the lab in Wuhan had made a grave error or that this was as deliberate action by the Communist Chinese. Those around me had a million other stories about how this disease evolved and then spread.

    I stayed with the Occum's Razor explanation: "The lab was researching animal born Covid and it got loose. The Chinese are covering it up."

    I was called Ignorant, Racist, A Trumpist, et al.

    Now it appears that those of us who were in the industry were correct.

    1. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago (edited)

      And I still can’t get over that a lab leak is somehow more racist than claiming that Chinese Nationals couldn't give up eating dead bats from a dirty wet market.

      1. perlmonger   2 years ago

        "It's racist to claim the Chinese are capable of advanced science."

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      "I stayed with the Occum’s Razor explanation: “The lab was researching animal born Covid and it got loose. The Chinese are covering it up.”

      As did I; now it will be time to move on and memory hole that, right? Or else we will be called "Ignorant, Racist, A Trumpist, et al."

    3. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

      One needn’t have been in the industry to do basic math.

      A facility that is finding ways to make bat viruses more virulent to humans is just a short walk away from the epicenter of the outbreak? Or a wEt MaRkEt?

      It doesn’t take anything more than common sense to do this math, unless you’re a prog who believes 2+2=5 because racism.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Just because you were right doesn't mean you're not racist, ignorant and a Trumpist.

      I have it on good authority that you got lucky. It was a 50/50 shot and you called heads, the coin ended up heads. Let the experts who called "tails" take over and build the narrative from here. We got this.

  9. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    When you lose the Atlantic...

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Speaking of disinformation:

      "Biden has a few reasons for running: He seems to enjoy being president. His administration has already been more successful than many people expected, though this also gives him a reason to retire gracefully. But nothing motivates Biden more these days than turning back the threat to American democracy that he sees posed by Donald Trump and his heirs, and Biden worries that there is no Democrat who could marshal the same coalition he led in 2020 to defeat Trump.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Time Magazine knows all about that coalition.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          You magnificent bastard! I read your book!

      2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        It's like taking on "Corn Pop" all over again! This is Biden's legacy!!!

      3. Zeb   2 years ago

        In what sense can the Biden administration be said to be successful? I guess expectations were low, but what success?

        1. Square = Circle   2 years ago

          He's still alive and hasn't been impeached?

        2. Nardz   2 years ago

          It's destroying the middle/working class way of life, as intended.

      4. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        TDS broke the world.

  10. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    The Global Disinformation Index (GDI)—a British nonprofit that smeared Reason as an unsafe news website using dubious criteria

    How DARE you!

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

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      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Is that what she's called? How precious!
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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          Thread winner.

          1. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

            I’m going to report it for it genderist use of “pregnant women.”

            That’s chestfeeder to you.

  11. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

    I mean, at the end of the day, anyone trying to limit speech, no matter the guise used to justify it, will always turn out to be wrong. This does not include instances of people establishing forum decorum, however.

  12. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    On Monday, I called out several of the journalists who incorrectly smeared lab leak origin proponents as racists—The New York Times' lead coronavirus reporter, Apoorva Mandavilli, chief among them.

    Check out Robby "Tucker Carlson" Soave over here.

  13. CountmontyC   2 years ago

    If GDI hadn't listed Reason as on of the 10 riskiest news sites would Reason now be calling out GDI for doing what it did?

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Doubtful

  14. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Another journalist who penned an unfortunate tweet about the lab leak theory is The Atlantic's Anne Applebaum, who likened Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) to a "Soviet propagandist" for merely raising the possibility that COVID-19 escaped from a Chinese laboratory.

    Applebaum has previously produced some excellent work.

    I've pointed this out repeatedly, and I'll point it out again. When a journalist is predisposed to like a politician... or any public figure, when they fuck up, the word "unfortunate" always seems to crop up.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      And don't forget Hillary "I misspoke" Clinton.

      Bitch used that excuse every time she got caught saying what she actually meant.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      Well, mistakes happened.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        TDS is a helluva drug.

    3. Nardz   2 years ago

      If anybody was still inclined to give Robby undue credibility, his praise of Applebaum should dissuade you.

  15. Marshal   2 years ago

    Applebaum has previously produced some excellent work. But she erred when she described the lab leak theory as akin to Russian disinformation.

    I used to think she was one of the handful of public liberals, as distinguished from leftists, in American media. But this is not the first evidence that is not true. She's claimed many stupid things over the years. I think she's particularly insane against the right because any criticism of the left risks ostracism. So she needs to prove her in-group bona fides.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      Cocktail parties...must get invites to cocktail parties in the right circuits.

  16. NOYB2   2 years ago

    GDI is partly funded by the U.S. State Department, and seeks to discourage advertisers from working with news outlets like Reason on the theory that we misinform our readers.

    You do misinform your readers. Not as badly as CNN. But CNN doesn’t pretend to be libertarian.

    (NewsGuard, a more transparent advising organization, rates Reason 100 out of 100 "for the highest adherence to journalistic practice.")

    Oh, you certainly do adhere to journalistic practice perfectly: sensationalism, lack of knowledge, lack of in depth investigations, spreading government propaganda, bias, outrage, and immaturity.

    That is the problem.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Also the straight up lying

  17. Eeyore   2 years ago

    Poor Galileo scored really poorly on the GDI.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      Heliocentric son of a bitch. The RC Church knew he was right, but no he just had to go on and embarrass them, didn't he?

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        Disinformation isn't about truth. It is about the control of belief. Same as always. Men aspire to controlling the minds of other men.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

        “The RC Church knew he was right, but no he just had to go on and embarrass them, didn’t he?”

        ^This

        This is the part of the story that so many tellers seem to ignore. Heliocentrism didn’t actually contradict church doctrine and Copernicus had even dedicated his work on it to the Pope at the time. Rather it was because Galileo mocked Pope Leo in a debate on it that it was written off as heresy for a couple of hundred years, even though they all knew it was probably true.

        We see the exact same arrogance with our gentry and establishment classes today.

  18. Michael P   2 years ago

    "Notably, Applebaum was also listed on the GDI's website as one of its principle journalistic advisors."

    I hope they listed her as a principal advisor, because principles wouldn't be caught dead within miles of either GDI or Applebaum.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Robby's defense falls apart because she was a journalistic advisor for them, is it the heir fault there was nothing beyond doubt since her last contact with them. He does nothing but deflect from his likeminded peers.

  19. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    so-called disinformation watchdogs

    Did you know John Dillinger was a bank security officer or that Jeffrey Dahmer was a Michelin-starred chef or that Joe Biden was president and founder of the Truthtellers Club? Me neither. Media 'experts' on anything are generally full of shit because they spend more time doing media appearances than on whatever it is they're supposed to be experts on, and 'disinformation experts' are some of the worst liars around.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      It's like being Kardashian; you have to just get yourself out there and BE NOTICED!

  20. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>so-called disinformation watchdogs

    if you dismiss them, dismiss them.

  21. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>rates Reason 100 out of 100 "for the highest adherence to journalistic practice."

    lol can't even.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "adherence to journalistic practice"

      Not to be confused with ethical practice, neutrality or honesty.

  22. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

    I'm getting strong "wolf doesn't like being called a wolf" energy here.

    And to be clear... I don't come to this site for news. I come to this site for perspective. Because yeah, y'all don't report, you (at best) editorialize. Anyone relying on you for news is going to be very misinformed.

    1. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

      I hate to break this to you, but anyone relying on Reason for perspective is . . . well, sad.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        I think you're being unfair. We come here for the perspective as well... to laugh at it. News and facts are mostly in the comments.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          this is the most this of today.

      2. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

        Dude, y'all have called me far worse then "sad".

        Regardless though, I think you misunderstood me. The perspective I seek is not necessarily knowing what y'all think. It's perspective in the sense that it keeps me from mistaking the views and perspectives of my personal circle of friend, family and co-workers as representative.

        Or, to put it another way... this is part of my "anti-ideological bubble" treatment.

  23. Jose 3   2 years ago

    The solution is simple: Just make anyone who decides they want to be a "Fact Checker" so they tell everyone else they're wrong, civilly liable for censoring someone who ultimately turns out to be right. No "That's what the experts said at the time." defense allowed. If a "Fact Checker" wrongfully censors someone, he/she/they can be held legally liable and sued personally in civil court for damages. Just think about all the folks who were censored, shunned, and even fired just for saying something about Covid that some "Fact Checker" thought was wrong...but turned out to be right!

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      I think there will be some 1st amendment problems there. But what does need to happen is for people to realize that "fact checkers" and especially "debunkers" are not usually what they claim to be and are entirely in service of protecting certain narratives. There may be some who take their work seriously and try to be honest, but they seem to be a small and ignored minority.
      People also need to figure out that "fact checking" facts that are still uncertain, as everything about Covid was in 2020, is complete bullshit. Often, in many situations, no one knows enough with certainty to legitimately claim to be is possession of the true facts.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Seems to me the whole "fact checker", "debunker" phenomenon appeared right around Trump's election. Prior to that, people disagreed and some even claimed to have the actual facts on there side but the reader was free to determine whether to accept their claims or not. The fact checkers only exist to give dishonest journalists 3rd party cover to write anything they pull out of their asses and still call it reporting. Just like they've always done when they invoke "experts" and "officials".

        1. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

          Politifact was launched in 2007.

          Fact-checkers just became more popular in 2016 because whereas most politicians were practiced at giving nuanced lies, Trump was brazen and reckless. But it was still an outgrowth of sites and resources that had started years before.

          As for...

          [...] the reader was free to determine whether to accept their claims or not.

          Readers still are. This has never changed.

          1. B G   2 years ago

            trump was definitely more brazen than some of his predecessors, but a lot of the "lying" attributed to him seems to actually have its origins in "fact checkers" reviewing subjective expressions of opinion and obvious hyperbole on his part. Not to mention that he got tagged as "lying" any time he was critical of the "russiagate" investigation, claims that his campaign had "colluded" with what turned out to be a tiny operation, or questioned the veracity of the Steele dossier, or objected to any of the abuses of law enforcement/national security operations that were carried out based on claims in that document.

            That said, the man was always tempermentally unfit to hold elected office in my opinion, and that won't be different in 2024 even if the media somehow chooses to give relatively "fair" treatment (or at least no more hostility than they'd normally unleash on a non-Dem party candidate)

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        People also need to figure out that “fact checking” facts that are still uncertain, as everything about Covid was in 2020, is complete bullshit. Often, in many situations, no one knows enough with certainty to legitimately claim to be is possession of the true facts.

        I'm gonna go with "[Facts] are not information, information is not knowledge, knowledge is not understanding, understanding is not wisdom." here.

        Plenty of people knew in 2019 and 2020 the facts about quarantines as a practical epidemiological tool and lockdowns as a purely political social conformance/oppression tool. They were told by people who gave zero shits about facts, information, knowledge, understanding, and wisdom to stay in their homes and go fuck themselves.

    2. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

      If a “Fact Checker” wrongfully censors someone [...]

      Someone putting "this guy is full of shit" on their website isn't censoring anyone, even if it persuades other people not to listen to that guy.

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

        If false, it would be defamation, which seems close to what jose3 was suggesting.

        1. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

          Hrm....

          The solution is simple: Just make anyone who decides they want to be a “Fact Checker” so they tell everyone else they’re wrong, civilly liable for censoring someone who ultimately turns out to be right. No “That’s what the experts said at the time.” defense allowed. If a “Fact Checker” wrongfully censors someone, he/she/they can be held legally liable and sued personally in civil court for damages. Just think about all the folks who were censored, shunned, and even fired just for saying something about Covid that some “Fact Checker” thought was wrong…but turned out to be right!

          (Emphasis mine)

          Nah, I think their meaning is pretty clear.

  24. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    The mindless sheep will never admit they were wrong. They are incapable of self reflection and honesty.

  25. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    GDI sounds like a CCP front. Makes you wonder why the US government is funding it.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Does the amount 10% ring any bells?

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      If anyone has ever wanted to be just like the CCP it's the US government.

  26. voluntaryist   2 years ago

    "...state funded disinformation watchdogs..."?? = taxation paying for censorship, i.e., govt. theft used to defraud the victims.

    Who will protect you when your protectors abuse you? Have you ever considered self-governing? Trusting yourself? Be sovereign or

  27. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    The GDI motto:
    Disinformation; "it's what we do, not what we find".

  28. Tony   2 years ago

    To be clear, not a single one of the conspiracy theories endorsed by Trumper scum has been endorsed by the US government. Two US government agenices, which apparently y'all just started trusting yesterday, expressed some nonzero confidence that the virus originated accidentally from a lab exposure.

    Literally everything you people want to say in your next sentence is most likely a lie.

  29. B G   2 years ago

    They changed the meaning of "gain of function" to get around the bans on doing that, and awarded EcoHealth a new contract to be the cutout for funding viral research in Maylasia just a few weeks after technically cancelling the contracts covering the research in Wuhan for supposedly failing to conduct and upflow required oversight reports there.

    I almost wonder where anyone gets the idea that George Santos doesn't belong in government. It's as if the real problem is in being too brazen about conducting himself with a level of honesty that's only slightly below average among Congress and Senior Officials.

  30. Rob Misek   2 years ago

    They were misinformed.

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