Lou Dobbs Is the Main Obstacle to Fox's Defamation Defense

The Fox Business host stood out as a champion of the baroque conspiracy theory that implicated Dominion Voting Systems in election fraud.

After the 2020 presidential election, Fox News helped promote what Rupert Murdoch, chairman of its parent company, privately called "really crazy stuff." It was a baroque conspiracy theory that claimed Joe Biden had stolen the election through a "massive fraud" involving Dominion Voting Systems, tricky Smartmatic software, phony ballots, election officials across the country, George Soros, the Clinton Foundation, and "communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China."

In dueling summary judgment briefs published last week, Dominion argues that Fox defamed it, while Fox argues that it merely reported what then-President Donald Trump and his representatives were saying. The main obstacle to Fox's defense can be summed up in two words: Lou Dobbs.

Other Fox hosts conducted softball interviews with Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, allowing them to lay out their unsubstantiated election-fraud claims and sometimes lending credence to them. But the host of the Fox Business show Lou Dobbs Tonight stood out as a champion of the view that "the election was stolen," a position he maintains to this day.

During a November 12 interview with Giuliani, Dobbs described the alleged election conspiracy as "the endgame to a four-and-a-half-year-long effort to overthrow the President of the United States." Dobbs repeatedly reiterated that allegation on his show the next day.

If you "read all about Dominion and Smartmatic voting companies," Dobbs declared in a November 14 tweet, "you'll soon understand how pervasive this Democrat electoral fraud is, and why there's no way in the world the 2020 Presidential election was either free or fair." During his November 16 show, Dobbs referred to "what the Trump legal team and others are discovering about Dominion," which he said provided "probable cause for a complete and thorough investigation."

Two days later, Dobbs again endorsed what he described as "President Trump's fight for a free and fair election." When Giuliani repeated his baseless charges against Dominion and Smartmatic, Dobbs agreed that "it's outrageous."

On November 19, the day that Giuliani and Powell held a bizarre press conference in which they laid out their claims, Dobbs described their presentation as "powerful" and an affidavit they cited as "stunning." He said Powell would be "providing more details on how Dominion vote machines and Smartmatic software were used to help Joe Biden."

During a November 24 interview with Powell, Dobbs referred matter-of-factly to "the electoral fraud that's been perpetrated this year." He worried that "Americans have given no thought to electoral fraud that would be perpetrated through electronic voting," which he said involved Dominion, "at least in the suspicions of a lot of Americans."

In a December 10 tweet promoting another Powell appearance, Dobbs echoed her claim that "the 2020 Election is a cyber Pearl Harbor." During that interview, Dobbs told Powell "we will gladly put forward your evidence that supports your claim that this was a cyber Pearl Harbor," adding that "we have tremendous evidence already." Afterward, Dobbs said Powell had presented "groundbreaking new evidence indicating our Presidential election came under massive cyber-attack orchestrated with the help of Dominion, Smartmatic, and foreign adversaries."

In reality, Powell had no such evidence, as Fox News reporters and Fox News host Tucker Carlson had pointed out. Those objections, which Fox presents as evidence that it was appropriately skeptical of Powell's tall tale, should have given Dobbs pause.

So should the conclusions of Republican election officials and Trump's own attorney general—not to mention the text conversations in which John Fawcett, one of Dobbs' producers, described Powell's election lawsuits as "complete bs" and speculated that she "could be losing her mind." Noting that Powell's story "doesn't make sense," Fawcett warned that "I just don't think she is verifying anything she is saying."

Dominion has to prove by "clear and convincing evidence" that Fox either knowingly or recklessly made false statements that implicated the company in election fraud. That's a high bar, but Dominion may be able to clear it with a strong assist from Dobbs.

© Copyright 2023 by Creators Syndicate Inc.

Comments

[Chumby]

If it is not baroque, don’t fix it.

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Who was the fixxer? Did he not offer enough? Should he not have done that?

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Odd, reason isn’t usually so enthusiastic about defamation lawsuits.

I wonder what’s different.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It affects Charles Koch’s friend, George Soros. Therefore, Sullum will use his TDS and attack Dobbs even though historically, Reason would’ve supported Dobbs to say whatever he wanted. Follow the money and friendships.

[raspberrydinners]

TDS is only mentioned by the pea-brained morons that support that traitor.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Loons like you don’t need to announce how crazy you are.

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[IceTrey]

Your TDS is showing.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Shitlunches, you’re confused. YOU are the traitor. Along with the other democrats. You’re incapable of patriotism.

[kfs]

Pea brained morons? If the shoe fits dingleberrydinners…

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Historically Reason would support Dobbs. Today, hysterically, Reason will not.

[Wizard4169]

Living up to your name, as usual.

[JesseAz]

Came in with the exact same thought.

Don’t even talk about the known election issues.

Part of this is the focus on the most outlandish claims to dismiss the known claims. The thousands of double voters as an example. Many of the double voters were likely ballot mail in fraud. As people showed up on election day and told they had already voted by mail. It is more likely someone voted as them due to mismailed boxes. Thousands of people forgetting they voted doesn’t make sense. In Georgia this was in the thousands. Same with Arizona. But in both states the AGs declined to investigate how so many double voters existed.

Audit trails and breaks in chain of command are known. Not investigated.

More than a dozen courts have ruled on illegal election changes.

Signature matching was reduced to laughable levels and we have images of this from arizona.

It all points to a destruction of ballot integrity through mail ballots. But this is inconvenient for reason and others because of their no fraud narratives.

So it is important for reason to attack the claims against Dominion, even if true, to save their own open discussions. Dozens of sullum articles. They have never discussed the KNOWN issues that are clear and can be seen.

It is a protection of Reasons own narratives.

[MasterThief]

I thought the Dominion stuff was probably the weakest instance of possible election malfeasance and also the easiest to disprove. I didn’t really follow how that went, but Dominion should have shown the machine data and have the code reviewed to prove the software/hardware worked correctly. Speculation into impropriety is fine, but if Dobbs made specific fact claims that were proven wrong in court then defamation seems appropriate.
All that said, it is to be expected that Reason only cares about this stuff if it hurts the right

[IceTrey]

They were wrong. It was ballot harvesting and ballot stuffing in the swing states. It wasn’t massive and widespread. It was 41,000 votes in 3 states. Have you seen “2000 Mules”?

[Vernon Depner]

Joe Kennedy was able to secure the election for JFK by manipulating the count in just Chicago and Charleston, WV.

[Moderation4ever]

There are plenty of election fraud conspiracies out there and all have in common that they are silly and have no real supporting evidence. People are entitled to pick the conspiracy theory they like best. Lou Dobbs has his and you have yours, each is as wrong as the other.

[JesseAz]

There is plenty of supporting evidence admitted to by the states. See above post.

[SRG]

“Plenty of supporting evidence” – that Trump’s lawyers denied existed when in court, that no judge found convincing, that not even Thomas or Alito would accept.

[JesseAz]

This is false shrike.

They denied some claims. They demonstrated and had states admit to others. Most courts didn’t even get to trial, dismissed as moot or standing.

Likewise I’ve already shown you multiple times they didn’t lose evey court case. Good work buddy.

https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/02/03/2020-presidential-election-lawsuits-the-facts-n320913

c) Nineteen cases are completed (adjudicated). These are where the court heard arguments, considered evidence (where applicable), and then formally ruled on statutory issues (e.g. the legality of a state’s election process), etc. Of these: . i) Eleven cases were WON by Trump, et al, and . ii) Eight cases were lost by Trump, et al.

No ignorance like shrikes ignorance.

This isn’t even counting the issues admitted to by states as mentioned.

[SRG]

I’m still not shrike, no matter how many times you repeat it. But you’re still a cunt.

You keep promoting your bullshit See this: “That more than a third of the lawsuits were not allowed to proceed to an evidentiary hearing is more of an indictment that many judges appear to be afraid of opening this pandora’s box.” An unevidenced proposition, but gleefully accepted by far-right mouth-breathers like yourself.

Your RothStaat article also deliberately did not distinguish between fraud and non-fraud cases, as this table makes clear:

https://election-integrity.info/2020_Election_Cases.htm

Trump winning on a procedural matter is not the same as Trump winning on fraud allegations. My guess is you’re too fucking stupid to have realised this, or perhaps too fucking lazy/gullible actually to have checked out what RothStaat linked to.

[NOYB2]

Now look at “Election Integrity Cases with GOP, et al as Plaintiffs”. A lot of cases were victories, and the ones that were dismissed were largely dismissed as “moot” or “lack of standing” or “lack ripeness”.

US elections are a joke and have been for decades. And that has nothing to do with Trump.

[SRG]

The question is in how many of those cases was fraud alleged or involved. GOP won some procedural cases, sure. But when it came to overturning results owing to fraud or other action – how many did the GOP or Trump?

I also note that Trumpists seem to have little idea how the US justice system works. They seem to think that mootness or standing were invented just to find against the GOP or Trump, not ever realising that these are very common considerations.

I note, btw that when a case is withdrawn – which RothStaat and JosefAZ count as a no-contest – that often indicates that the plaintiff realised that they actually, you know, had no case. which is a concession to the ex-defendants.

[NOYB2]

GOP won some procedural cases, sure. But when it came to overturning results owing to fraud or other action – how many did the GOP or Trump?

Which part of dismissed as “moot” or “lack of standing” or “lack ripeness”.

I also note that Trumpists seem to have little idea how the US justice system works. They seem to think that mootness or standing were invented just to find against the GOP or Trump, not ever realising that these are very common considerations.

I note that you have trouble understanding basic English. I’m not a “Trumpist” and I’m not disputing the legality of these dismissals, I’m disputing that this state of affairs produces elections we can trust.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

To a democrat, eke items are wonky untrustworthy when the results are not what they want. That’s how democrats treat everything.

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[DesigNate]

You know the election issues that people talk about (especially here) don’t just include fraud, but you’re such a disingenuous fuck that you deliberately conflate everything under fraud so you can try to gloat that no fraud was found (a laughable claim as several trump voters were charged with fraud).

It’s not surprising though. Cunts like you pull the same shit with gun deaths and immigration, just to name a few.

[sarcasmic]

I was told that there is overwhelming evidence but none of it ever saw a courtroom because every judge was in on it and said they wouldn’t hear cases because of standing.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

I’m sure that if the election had gone the other way that everyone on the left would be supremely confident that the covid rule changes for the 2020 election had no bearing whatsoever on the outcome.

They’re really good losers. Haha.

[Paradigm]

^^^ This. To the Democrats and the left (I repeat myself), hypocrisy is not a criticism. It’s a strategy. They think ignoring people when they call them out on it will make the resentment go away. That used to work better when the media had more credibility. Now, they’re just pissing people off.

The one thing that keeps me smiling in this sea of lies the left has caused in the country I used to love is that their open borders policy will ultimately deliver the opposite of what they want. Hispanics are NOT turning out to be big fans of the left’s woke bullshit and totalitarian socialist impulses. The Democrats are hoping to import a poverty class that they can control to replace the middle class they can’t control. They claim to love the middle class but only unions. A strong, rich middle class doesn’t need big government, so they really despise it and want to replace those voters. Like everything else, they try to make a racial issue out of it to stifle discussion, but it’s really a class struggle.

[BrianL.]

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/evidence-gaps-in-2000-mules/

[JesseAz]

You know fact check is biased right? Openly so. Home of the “true, but” false ratings.

[NOYB2]

Yes, it is pretty much impossible for citizens to provide proof of election fraud given the way the system works. All they can do is raise suspicion. Election officials ought to be required to provide proof that no fraud occurred. If they cannot do that, the election needs to be redone.

Elections using mail-in ballots, drop boxes, and/or electronic equipment are inherently untrustworthy and unverifiable. As is vote counting that looks like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO-HZVtf7YM

[SRG]

Election officials ought to be required to provide proof that no fraud occurred. If they cannot do that, the election needs to be redone.

Aside from the difficulty of proving a negative, every single independent audit – and even the occasional partisan pro-Trump audit – found that the results were consistent and did not indicate fraud. Of course, these findings weren’t accepted either.

[NOYB2]

Aside from the difficulty of proving a negative

It is generally pretty easy to prove that no fraud occurred in an election, provided your election procedures are set up properly. The problem is with bad US election procedures.

every single independent audit – and even the occasional partisan pro-Trump audit – found that the results were consistent and did not indicate fraud

All these “audits” did was confirm that there were certain numbers of slips of papers in certain boxes that added up to totals similar to what was reported. They could not confirm that those were actually valid votes.

[Moderation4ever]

Your comments, like many others, shows that you have no idea about how elections votes are processed and counted. There are plenty of checks and audits built in and you should learn this.

[NOYB2]

There are plenty of checks and audits built in and you should learn this.

None of the ones I have seen prevent fraud by election officials, and none can be verified by citizens.

But you are welcome to share any links documenting these “checks and audits” that you believe make our elections secure. Go right ahead!

[Moderation4ever]

I have a better idea, why don’t you sign up at as a poll worker and see first hand. Take the training and participate in the vote counting. Remember that the poll workers, often you own neighbors are citizens doing the work to ensure a fair election.

[NOYB2]

I have a better idea, why don’t you sign up at as a poll worker and see first hand. Take the training and participate in the vote counting.

The way votes are counted in most places, being a poll worker doesn’t allow you to identify fraud by other poll workers.

Remember that the poll workers, often you own neighbors are citizens doing the work to ensure a fair election.

I’m not concerned with the poll workers in my neighborhood, I’m concerned with the poll workers in a few key Democrat-run cities. And based on what we know about the people in those cities, I wouldn’t trust them with anything.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Your comments indicate that you are homogeneously ignorant of most everything and are a democrat shill.

[EscherEnigma]

Election officials ought to be required to provide proof that no fraud occurred.

You want election officials to prove a negative.

[NOYB2]

No, I want them to prove only positives:

– every vote that was counted was by a legal voter
– every vote that was counted was counted correctly
– every vote that was cast was counted

You know, same way as my bank can prove the validity of all the deposits and withdrawals from my bank account.

[SRG]

“2000 mules”? LOL, you poor deluded schmuck.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

That statement applies to you, not him. You’re a democrat shill, and likely the pedophile Shrike. If you are not Shrike, you will have no problem condemning him as a pedophile.

[Azathoth!!]

They were wrong. It was ballot harvesting and ballot stuffing in the swing states. It wasn’t massive and widespread. It was 41,000 votes in 3 states. Have you seen “2000 Mules”?

They were right. It was massive.

No one bothered to check the reliably blue states because everyone knew how they’d go. But that jump that happened when no one was counting ballots didn’t just happen in swing states.

[raspberrydinners]

Then PROVE IT.

JFC- how many goddamn court cases did they completely fail to produce ANY evidence?

Get off it you dumbass- there was no widespread fraud and not nearly enough of any kind to sway any part of the election.

[JFree]

Ah OK. So this was: a post-facto conspiracy since you can only know the margins and particular swing states after the fact of the election a conspiracy to favor D’s in two states totally run by R’s (Arizona, Georgia) a conspiracy in Wisconsin to overturn not only election results but also undermine months and months of polling data indicating that the D was going to win there.

In the case of both AZ and GA (both were considered tossups for months), the election ‘fraud’ investigations by R’s were focused entirely on undermining governance of D areas. Not just the particulars of an election there but the very notion that those places (Phoenix in AZ and Greater Atlanta in GA) were even part of those states now. Well fine continue the stupidity about the election but R’s really should be pushing to expel those places from their state. Which would eliminate all future problems for future elections. Which would also mean forcing them to become their own states – with representation in the Senate and their own districts in the House which would eliminate the existing gerrymandering (HUGE problem for GA). I hear – crickets – on that idea which is the only long-term solution.

[Wizard4169]

2000 Mules has been thoroughly debunked. Among other things, it’s not physically possible for the “evidence” cited by the producers to prove what they claim.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

To be fair to Fox: They could just use everything else Lou Dobbs has ever said on air to prove no reasonable person would ever believe anything Lou Dobbs says.

[EscherEnigma]

They already pulled that card with Carlson’s defamation suit. How many more times can they blatantly insult their audience in court before the audience finally catches on?

[raspberrydinners]

The reason those people still watch is because they are just too stupid to ever realize they’re being lied to and are just there for confirmation of their deluded “views.”

They’re drunks and Fox News is their supplier.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

No, that would apply to CNN and MSNBC. Not Fox. But you won’t admit that because you’re a red diaper baby propagandist.

[kfs]

It’s much better to be lied to by CNN or MSNBC, right Tony, I mean dingleberrydinners.

[DesigNate]

I mean Rachel Maddow is still on the air, isn’t she?

[EscherEnigma]

Maddow isn’t in court for slander a second time trying the same defense, is she?

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

Ah, so it’s like a dog bite. You get one bite at the “everyone knows I’m spewing bullshit opinions” defense?

Ironically, it’s not Tucker’s actions really at issue. Once he felt Powell was full of shit, he began to say so. The problem isn’t Tucker, it’s Dobbs.

[Beezard]

Tucker actually comes off sounding like he cared about the viewers in the texts.

[DesigNate]

Here’s a wild idea: Don’t take people on tv at their word. At best they are infotainment, at worst they’re straight lying to you.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Maddow is a Party member, in good standing. So she is immune to many things.

It’s the democrat way.

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

It’s worked for Tucker and Maddow. And honestly, I think because of that there is almost an established precedent that cable news punditry is just garbage bullshit most of the time.

[Moderation4ever]

While it is a high bar Dominion is taking a toll and Fox will spend a long time rebuilding its reputation. It is clear they are looking to move away from the former President and none of this will help that effort.

[JesseAz]

The hit to its reputation that still has it as the most watched news station? How is CNN and MSNBC doing?

[Moderation4ever]

Maybe it is because CNN and MSNBC split the sane market and Fox has a corner on the crazies.

I also suspect there are some market forces here. I notice that many channel packages include Fox, fewer for CNN and MSNBC. Leaving me to wonder if Fox underprices their product. Curious if anyone could explain this fact?

[NOYB2]

Most people who want information these days don’t watch any of that crap. Total viewership for all three is below one percent of the US population. They are all for uninformed drooling seniors like you.

People with half a brain read. They don’t watch CNN while making their daily bowl of Jello.

[DesigNate]

Hshahahahahahahahahahaha

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Spoken like a true democrat shill.

[raspberrydinners]

Congrats- they’re first in misleading dumbasses with 24 hour “news” networks.

Anyone watching those is a certified dumbass. I bet you have it on right now though so…

[VULGAR MADMAN]

More projection.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Who in the comments watches the news? Otherwise, the commenters wouldn’t have known:

The Hunter Biden Laptop was real.
Masks don’t work.
The vaccine doesn’t prevent infection nor stop transmission.
The Tech companies (Twitter et. al) were a cesspool of deep state manipulation and naked partisanship to shape the public discussion and elections towards a an establishment narrative.
A sizeable trucker protest was on its way to Ottawa weeks before it ever appeared in the news.
The vaccines are neither safe nor effective.
CRT is being taught in schools.
Fauci lied.
Walensky lied.
The CDC lied.
The FBI lied.
Yoel Roth is a tool.
Both Cuomos are liars.
The Steele Dossier and the Russia investigation was total horseshit and little more than an administrative coup led by the fourth estate.

Facebook will STILL slap a misinformation label on a Reason writer’s article no matter how much xe ingratiates xerself to them.

*takes deep breath*

I could go on and on and on and on. And on.

And.

On.

[DavidTaylor]

“The hit to its reputation that still has it as the most watched news station? ”

Fox is the most watched cable news, not the most watched news. The recent viewership numbers show ABC news leading at 8,338,000 nightly viewers on average; NBC at 7,059,000, and CBS at 5,004,000. Fox News viewers are 2,300,000.

So it’s not simply that CNN and MSNBC split the other viewers: viewers who live in the real world still tend to watch the traditional network news at a rate of nearly 10 times the viewership of Fox News.

[DesigNate]

Is it really fair to compare network news, which runs local stories, weather, and sports, with the bobble headed opinionist on cable news? Seems like that’s two different markets.

[DavidTaylor]

No comparison intended, just a correction to the claim that Fox is the “most watched news station.”

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

You’re a democrat. You don’t live ‘in the real world’. You’re just a delusional, treasonous shill.

[DavidTaylor]

I’ve had better insults from a 5 year old. And your script is getting old.

[Wizard4169]

Whaddaya expect from a self-proclaimed CHUD? Either you’re swilling the same toxic waste he is, or else you’re part of some vast conspiracy of evil and ignorance. Why bother with facts or logic when you can just disregard anyone who dares to disagree?

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

This definitely impacts Fox’s reputation. However, I’m not sure how much of a reputation Fox or any cable news network really has to damage. I mean, the people who watch Fox, MSNBC, and CNN don’t really care about reality as much as they care about getting only the information that they want to hear.

And they all fight over a total of like 8 million viewers, that’s it. As such, the people who don’t watch know that it’s basically garbage daytime TV, and the people that do watch actually want to see that garbage daytime TV.

[Social Justice is neither]

Yes, how dare Republicans and Fox spread DNC conspiracies about voting machines stealing elections. Fuck off you leftist propagandist, you cunts spread this same lie for 20 years prior.

[raspberrydinners]

Oh man, look at this snowflake getting all triggered.

Sorry reality doesn’t fit your bullshit narrative. Keep whining crybaby.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

You’re the crybaby. Every single leftist is the weakest pussy imaginable. We have all the combat vets and you have all the beta male hipster faggots. So why don’t you go take a Midol and STFU?

[Wizard4169]

I don’t need to be a leftist to disagree with your idiocy. You obviously confuse bluster with strength, just like a certain former President.

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

Does the fact the Dems screamed and cried about Dominion when they lost elections make it okay for Repubs to do the same?

[DesigNate]

Since I voted Libertarian, can I say yes?

At the very least it exposes the rank hypocrisy.

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

It definitely exposes hypocrisy. But are you saying engaging in that hypocrisy makes it okay?

[DesigNate]

I mean it’s possible they were both right?

I will say, I was under the impression this was one of those instances where Republicans didn’t really change positions, only the Democrats did. But I may be mistaken.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Engaging in hypocrisy to a democrat is as intrinsic as breathing is to a human.

[Nardz]

So where’s the link to *Dominion* code?

[MasterThief]

That is the key here and what I was most interested in learning. I doubted the Dominion conspiracy theory, but when they started fighting an audit of the machines and coding it certainly looked suspicious. If they want to prove defamation then that data would be the most conclusive means to do so.

[Beezard]

I hear tell the discovery for the defamation case has some tasty nuggets in it that don’t help dominion. But since everything’s propaganda now maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

[MasterThief]

Could be. I heard nothing about Dominion after the news that they refused to provide any data for audits or in discovery. If they went through discovery and those details weren’t reported I tend towards one of two assumptions: there is nothing interesting there or it hurts the left.

[NOYB2]

In reality, Powell had no such evidence, as Fox News reporters and Fox News host Tucker Carlson had pointed out.

No, she had a suspicion based on statistical anomalies and was trying to go into discovery to get evidence either way.

Under Reason’s standards, apparently, if we just make the election system closed enough, all elections are fair and secure because nobody can ever prove otherwise! No proof, no problem!

The use of closed source software in US elections is an outrage and makes US elections untrustworthy, regardless of whether any actual misuse or fraud occurred in any particular election.

Those objections, which Fox presents as evidence that it was appropriately skeptical of Powell’s tall tale, should have given Dobbs pause.

“Giving pause” isn’t a sufficient legal standard for defamation. The standard is that there was negligence or malice. As long as Dobb’s statements were phrased as suspicions and as long as he couldn’t verify them as clearly false, they weren’t defamation.

[SRG]

What “statistical anomalies”? And you forget all the other Squidney lies, like who owned Dominion. And remember that she was going to release the Kraken? Did that not indicate that she had something concrete? What happened to the Kraken?

[NOYB2]

I’m not defending her. I’m saying that as a matter of principle, anybody should be allowed to challenge any election in court and start discovery, including inspect source code and inspect the details of the internal operations of any manufacturer of any equipment used in voting.

And I’m saying that the use of any voting procedure other than single-day, in person voting with voter ID on paper ballots cast in transparent, sealed and tracked urns should be outlawed across the entire US.

[EscherEnigma]

I’m not defending her.

Pull the other one, it’s got bells.

[NOYB2]

Platitudes and gullibility… it’s all you have.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

You’re against investigating fraud claims. We get it. You have a lot to hide.

[Dillinger]

>>That’s a high bar, but Dominion may be able to clear it with a strong assist from Dobbs.

love how your Christmas wish lists appear in your opinion pieces.

[raspberrydinners]

Well, in a sane world, they’d be nailed to the wall but I’m sure they’ll pay off enough people to get away with it.

Same as how they argued that only complete braindead morons would believe anything Fucker Carlson says.

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

In fairness, Rachel Maddow had to use that defense as well. It’s almost like corporate media pundits are all full of shit.

[DesigNate]

For stating opinions? Yeah, that would work out soooo well.

[Dillinger]

in a sane world the election would have been above board.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

In a sane world, leftists like you and your fellow travelers would be in prison, or face down in landfills.

[Inquisitive Squirrel]

It’s pretty funny, honestly, how much Lou bought into the bullshit. His positioning is going to be a bit of a hurdle for Fox to clear.

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[TJJ2000]

Remember that day the Dominion Voting machines returned the exact number that in-person re-counts did? Yeah; me neither. We’ll just stamp a big fat “never-mind” to during election IP “updates”.

But hey; it was all just a conspiracy theory because the media tells me so…. Ya know like the conspiracy theory that the FBI was controlling twitter… (Yes; I kid you not… That was the #1 democratic defense during the weaponize hearings) Ya know like the conspiracy theory that etc, etc, etc, etc….

“conspiracy theory” is the new “racist” call of the left. They have to keep changing their name-calling justice system to keep it fresh.

[Bill Godshall]

Notice that Jacob Sullum (and all others who claim the 2024 election wasn’t rigged or stolen) failed to explain (or even mention) how/why Trump was winning big (according to CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and FOX News) until around 2 AM the morning after the election.

Then all vote counts mysteriously stopped for the next hour (on every television news channel), and when the vote count resumed Biden suddenly had a lead in all 6 swing states.

Unless/until someone can explain how/why that occurred, many/most voters will continue to believe that the 2024 election was stolen (in addition to being rigged by the FBI, DOJ, DNC, left wing media propagandists, and other Hunter laptop deniers).

[MasterThief]

Do you mean 2020 or commenting from the future?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I remember when criticism of Dominion Voting Systems wasn’t a “baroque” conspiracy theory, but taken very seriously by the elite media.

“If you’re worried about the dangers of electronic voting, this documentary will blow your mind.” – Salon.com

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“DISTURBING STUFF. . . IT’S NOT SHOCKED-SHOCKED YOU FEEL WATCHING THIS; IT’S GENUINE SHOCK.” – THE NEW YORK TIMES

“IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE A DOCUMENTARY THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE CIVIC LIFE OF THE NATION — LET ALONE ONE THAT IS SO COMPELLING AND ULTIMATELY MOVING.” – BALTIMORE SUN

The Huffington Post in the wake of the 2016 election.

The sanctity of America’s elections, however, is still in the hands of a private corporation. Dominion Voting Systems, a Canadian corporation, purchased DES, but “the same voting machines that we hacked in the film are still dangerously unsecured and are still counting America’s votes from Florida to California,” Michaels warns.

Though naysayers dismiss some of the vulnerabilities that came to light in Hacking Democracy, Michaels describes how our elections are still vulnerable nonetheless:

“Almost 100% of America’s elections are now counted using computerised machines which run on trade secret software. But the good news is that many more states and counties have paper ballots. Yes, these ballots are scanned by machines just like the one you see hacked in our film, but a percentage could be hand counted by citizen volunteers as a safety check on the machines.
In September 2016 the elections Moderator in the New Hampshire town of Derry decided to do exactly that. Around 20% of the paper ballots were hand counted immediately after the machine count. If citizens demand Safety Hand Counts like this across America then any electronic vote tampering would be detected. It isn’t political. It’s sensible. Even better, hackers would know it in advance and would be deterred.”
Such a deterrence is a necessity seeing that fraudulent voting manipulations such as the peculiar “negative” vote phenomenon, which came to light in the film, accounts for one of several highly perturbing possibilities that can potentially change the outcomes of elections. Just how prevalent is this, exactly? That’s difficult to assess. “Negative votes was the amazing revelation,” Michaels states. He continues:

“We knew the Diebold system had been designed to allow negative – minus – votes and these can be used to rig a candidate’s results, as our film ultimately proves.
But if a negative vote hack has been attempted since 2000 it wouldn’t necessarily ever have been discovered. As usual with these black box machines we don’t know what’s happening inside them.
But our expert hacker, Harri Hursti, also discovered a vote changing virus that can be maliciously installed to affect many voting machines at once. So there are even more serious questions about how this kind of vulnerability has been allowed in America’s elections.”

[TJJ2000]

“a Canadian corporation” who’s board of directors are part of a green-energy lobbying outfit.

[Mike Laursen]

So this somehow absolves Sidney Powell’s ranting and Lou Dobbs’ promotion of it?

What is the point of your coming on a libertarian website and pointing to “liberals did it, too!”

[DesigNate]

What’s the point of Jacob pretending that this is all some novel concept? (People claiming bad things/malfeasance about Dominion.)

More to the point: Is that documentary defamation? If not, how exactly is anything Dobbs or Fox did?

[NOYB2]

So this somehow absolves Sidney Powell’s ranting and Lou Dobbs’ promotion of it?

What “absolution” do they need?

What is the point of your coming on a libertarian website and pointing to “liberals did it, too!”

Why would any libertarian be in favor of closed source, opaque voting software from foreign-owned software vendors? If both conservatives and progressives oppose it, that’s a good thing as far as libertarians are concerned.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

“What “absolution” do they need?”

I think mike was the guy who said the other day that a murdered woman needed “apologists”.

He’s probably not any better with a concept like “absolution”.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Why are you on a libertarian website at all? You have no place here. Why don’t you take your sideshow act on down the way to Salon, or WaPo. I’m sure you will find ‘comrade’ery more to your enjoyment.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

What is the point of your coming on a libertarian website and pointing to “liberals did it, too!”

I’m not pointing out that “liberals did it too”. I’m pointing out the speed at which something moves from the “respectable” column to the “deplorable” one, depending on the players involved.

Sort of like how Iowahawk attempted to quantify the “Comey Good/Comey Bad” oscillation wave emanating from our fourth estate.

[Mike Laursen]

So, do you agree all these nutty statements about Dominion are nutty regardless of who is expressing the nutty statement?

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

How are they ‘nutty’? Sentiment regarding the reliability of their voting machines goes back to before the 2016 election cycle, and much of it raised by your masters.

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[Bill Dalasio]

I have to admit I’m a bit confused here. I thought Reason thought that subjecting publishers (or in this case broadcasters) to liability for what individuals say on their platform was totally and utterly unacceptable? A dagger in the heart, if you will, of our First Amendment freedoms? Oh, I guess that just applies if it’s some market participants. Because we all know that legal privilege is the heart and soul of libertarianism.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

Mauroised that Biden has not yet decredmthrough executive order that important party members in good standing be immune to all civil and legal action.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD]

JFC, did I have a stroke earlier and not know it? Let’s try that again.

‘Im surprised that Biden has not yet decreed through executive order that important party members in good standing are immune from civil and criminal liability.’

[Methadras Aszlosis]

There were clear and present vote tally discrepancies that cannot simply be swept away. Dominion has a lot to answer for here and I’m wondering why they are engaging in a defamation lawsuit other than to cover up their own tracks and bury any inkling their machines were used with or without their consent for their code to be altered to allow for fraud to occur. They have the higher bar here and I think they will lose or seek to settle. The problem is, the tables are going to be turned on them in a countersuit.

[Sheldonius Rex]

Pro tip: Dominion participated in Democrat Party voter fraud.

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