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Reason Roundup

Utah Lawmakers Want To Give Parents Access to Their Kids' Social Media Accounts

Plus: Sex workers in popular media, stadium subsidies still don't work, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 2.1.2023 9:30 AM

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A pair of bills in Utah would impose draconian requirements on social media platforms in the name of protecting children. Under Senate Bill 152, social media companies would be required to verify the ages of all users from Utah, get parental consent before allowing someone under age 18 to open or maintain an account, provide parents or guardians of minors with "access to the content and interactions" of accounts maintained by their children, and "limit hours of access [for minors], subject to parental or guardian direction," per a summary of the bill. Minors would be prohibited from using social media between the hours of 10:30 p.m. and 6:30 a.m.

SB 152—sponsored by state Sen. Michael K. McKell (R–Spanish Fork)—would also prohibit platforms from displaying advertising to minors or suggesting any sort of content or accounts to them, among other provisions.

Utah's Division of Consumer Protection would be authorized to investigate allegations that a social media company was running afoul of this law, and to "seek enforcement through an injunction, civil penalties, and other relief."

The bill would also authorize a private right to sue social media companies for violations.

Meanwhile, House Bill 311 would also require age verification. All Utah residents wishing to maintain or open social media accounts would have to show their driver's license, birth certificate, passport, or state identification card.

Additionally, HB 311—from state Rep. Jordan D. Teuscher (R–South Jordan)—would entirely ban people under age 16 from having social media accounts and require parental consent for 16- and 17-year-olds. Enforcement would likewise be delegated to the Utah Division of Consumer Protection and to private lawsuits.

Not only would both bills violate the privacy of Utah social media users and require an insane amount of additional work for social media companies, but they would also open platforms up to all sorts of liability—including for violations of vague prohibitions that are open to interpretation.

For instance, HB 311 would prohibit social media companies from using any "practice, design, or feature" which could cause "a Utah minor account holder to become addicted to the social media platform."

Bills like these should concern folks outside of Utah. They're part of a trend of anti-tech legislation sweeping the states (see, for instance, in Florida and Texas), pushed by lawmakers with no regard for free markets or free speech.

Complying with any one of these state laws would be difficult for social media companies. Complying with them all would be nearly impossible, at least not without some serious changes to their business models that would burden users everywhere. And the more states start considering and passing their own rules, the more likely that tech companies are to jump on board with national regulations as a lesser evil.

Either way, it means less autonomy for social media companies and less privacy and free speech for users across the country.

In Utah, SB 152 passed out of the Senate Business and Labor Committee yesterday.

At a hearing on the bill, the Libertas Institute's Caden Rosenbaum raised concerns about the personal information SB 152 would force companies to collect. "That kind of data in the hands of any company really is dangerous, because it's not a matter of if it will be breached; it's a matter of when," said Rosenbaum.

Khara Boender, state policy director at the Computer and Communications Industry Association, suggested that decisions about social media use should be left up to families. "Every family has a different approach to how they use technology and the internet," Boender testified, "and children and families have the ability to learn, explore interests, and maintain connections with family and friends."

Boender was then scolded by Sen. Dan McCay (R–Riverton), according to KUTV. "You are selling a product that is addicting in nature, and you build algorithms with a primary purpose of institutionalizing that addiction," he said.

The idea that algorithms are ruining our children and our democracy has become a favorite of tech fearmongers. For a thorough dressing-down of algorithm myths, see Reason's January 2023 cover story.


FREE MINDS

Vice celebrates recent positive portrayals of sex workers in popular media, including White Lotus and The Menu. These and several other recent films and TV shows "have represented sex work as ordinary work, and sex workers as complex characters, not singularly defined by the way they make money," writes Abby Moss. In addition, these sex worker characters "are not only among the most likeable (or, in the case of The White Lotus and The Menu arguably the only likeable) characters, they are not caricatures of 'fallen women' or exploited men. They have genuine agency and their choices are front and centre in the narratives."


FREE MARKETS

We're headed for a wave of pricey and pointless new stadium subsidies, suggests a paper from economists John Charles Bradbury (Kennesaw State University), Dennis Coates (University of Maryland), and Brad R. Humphreys (West Virginia University). "We identify a regular replacement cycle of venues at intervals of 30 years," explained Bradbury in a Twitter thread. "If you look at when the last wave peaked (2000), you may notice the problem. We're entering a new wave of stadium construction that should peak around 2030."

Government subsidies for the construction of these new stadiums are likely to be bigger than before, since "median government subsidies of sports venues are increasing," noted Bradbury. "The share is falling bc venues are growing more expensive. Total public outlays (the relevant metric) continue to grow. At current funding levels, replacements will result in $20 billion in new public funding by 2030."

But the justification for these subsidies is just as empty as ever. "Recall that subsidizing stadiums is terrible public policy that goes against all evidence and policy advice," tweets Bradbury. "Most stadium spending is reallocated local spending. We also review recent designs that supposedly overcome the dismal economics of stadiums and demonstrate that they do not improve outcomes."

You can read the full paper here.


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• Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, a Republican, plans to announce that she is running for president.

• "The Biden administration is evaluating the possibility of declaring a public-health emergency on abortion," reports National Review.

• Police dogs aren't necessary to protect police or prevent suspect resistance, according to new research. "The sudden suspension of K9 apprehension" at one large municipal policing agency "was not associated with a statistical increase in officer or suspect injury, or suspect resistance, during felony arrests," according to the study, published in the Journal of Experimental Criminology.

• A federal prisoner in North Carolina faces an additional 40-year prison sentence for possessing buprenorphine, a drug that helps people deal with heroin withdrawal. Prosecutors allege that he intended to distribute it to other prison inmates.

• Prosecutors bungled the case against a crooked former New York City narcotics detective. Joseph Franco was charged with perjury and other crimes, leading to more than 500 convictions he was involved with being overturned. Now, a New York state judge has ruled "that prosecutors with the Manhattan district attorney's office had failed to turn over evidence to the detective's lawyers on three occasions, a major ethical violation, and dismissed the charges" against Franco.

• The Supreme Court's oral arguments calendar for March and April has been released:

#SCOTUS released its oral argument calendars for March & April today! pic.twitter.com/HmaaIU2OdQ

— Zack Smith (@tzsmith) January 31, 2023

• What happens when ChatGPT hosts a dinner party? A thread:

This weekend I hosted an AI generated dinner party.

We decided to test the limits and let ChatGPT generate the theme, menu, and even the recipes.

What ensued was surprisingly delightful. pic.twitter.com/LVKQJKmvev

— Sean Linehan (@seanlinehan) January 30, 2023

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  1. Chumby   2 years ago

    Parents have the ability to restrict or prohibit their children from accessing social media. It is called parenting.

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    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      That sort of thing should be left to government-certified Experts.

    3. Naime Bond   2 years ago

      Having an ability is not the same as requiring verification of age. The two are mutually exclusive. Parents have the ability to buy booze for their kids or let them access the liquor cabinet; if a kid wants to buy booze or see a PG 17 movie, they have to verify their age or go with a parent.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        They are not mutually exclusive, the ability is created by the age verification gatekeeping. If a 10 year old can buy booze with or without parental involvement then they have no role, forbid the purchase somehow and the parent has some input to access to booze.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Not just the ability, but the authority (and responsibility).

      Reason needs to come out about why and how they promote adult status for legal children. Could it be that they consider themselves children?

      1. JimboJr   2 years ago (edited)

        “why and how they promote adult status for legal children”

        Seriously, honest question: How many years until we arrive at “the child should be able to consent to anything they want” status. Every recent trend is basically some form of “kids are more mature and able to make decisions than previously thought, and the state should nurture this regardless of what parents think”…Im betting 5 years and we see “a ‘mature minor’ should be able to determine their own age of consent” (for fucking)

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          At the same time, our national culture promotes extended childhood, at least for the responsibilities and obligations that used to come with adulthood.

      2. Nobartium   2 years ago

        Doctrine libertarianism says age of consent laws are immoral, and the writers aren't doctrine libertarians, so it is weird that on kids they pretend to be.

    5. HorseConch   2 years ago

      I suppose you're in favor of parents burning books, making their kids keep the gender they are born with, and not allowing them to be in relationships with minor-attracted adults?

    6. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

      "Parents have the ability to restrict or prohibit their children from accessing social media. It is called parenting."

      Awe, come on now! With parents spending 80% of their free time on social media, who has time for "parenting?"

      Besides, we know that the State is a much better parent!

    7. JFree   2 years ago

      It takes a TikTok to raise an influencer.

      1. Unable2Reason   2 years ago

        You don't need TikTok. When I drive the wrong way on the highway I influence people to take the ditch. I always wanted to be a highway influencer. It's great. My picture is plastered all over the place - mostly Wanted Posters, but still....

    8. Overt   2 years ago

      I think this is a good example of acceptable ideas that become ridiculous when you try to enforce them.

      I agree wholeheartedly that parents have the right of raising their children, and should be allowed to police every bit of content and service that their children consume. And so, at first blush, government protecting that right sounds like a good idea.

      However, government is creating an intrusive system that invades other, equally important rights to private property and free association in order to protect a parent's right.

      There is a legitimate question of whether or not Parents can force private individuals (and the companies they start) to help them exercise the right of control over their children. A maximally libertarian view would be that parents do not get to do this, and that would render many things like prohibition on alcohol sales immoral and void.

      But we *do* live in a non-libertarian world, where we have accepted that society does have a responsibility to help parents exercise their parenting rights. *If* we are going to accept age verification for alcohol sales, I don't think there is any reason to object to age verification for *any* other activity that society as a whole agrees is ubiquitous and dangerous enough to be restricted.

      The obvious problem this creates (to my initial point) is that we now have every person in the state (if not the country, depending on how this bill is written) required to show Official Papers (TM) in order to consume online services. That strikes me as a pretty hefty price for everyone to pay in order to help some parent exercise their rights of control over their kid.

      Beyond that, this bill goes way too far in it's restrictions. I could potentially be convinced on a compromise for age verification, parental consent and parental access to accounts. But mandating that the service become their babysitter with mandatory rules about enforced usage times and the like goes too far. If the parent is ok with the child consuming a service that doesn't have certain restrictions, then that is the parent's decision. The government should not be micro-managing that effort.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Is it truly that different than a store clerk checking ID?

        1. Overt   2 years ago (edited)

          Flashing an id to someone at a counter is one thing. Making a permanent record (photo) of it and sending it to be stored on some unknown third party out of your control is another. So while I agree that the motivation and theory is the same, as it must necessarily be practiced, they are different.

          1. Chumby   2 years ago

            Bar code tattoos and microchip implants for all newborns that manage to escape the womb alive.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            I don't think they'd need to save off the image anywhere, just denote an image was checked and set a bit on a profile, then delete image after review.

            1. Overt   2 years ago

              Sounds fine in theory. In practice it becomes more onerous, no? How do we know that the image was checked? How do we know that the image was subsequently deleted? Maybe we need audit records? Third party verification?

              As with forced vaccinations, you take an arguably-benign and -reasonable decision[*] that becomes draconian if you want to enforce it. It isn't just getting the jab, it is about proving you got the jab, and proving that proof isn't a forgery, and punishing people who don't comply in that growing chain of indignities.

              The same is true here. In practice, we are now carding people to use facebook (!!!), and have to ensure that identities are protected and all the other nonsense along the way. A seemingly innocuous item is compounded by the ripple effects of bullshit.

              (*) - I personally believe forced vaccinations are not justifiable, but I am using this as a counterpoint for all the people who argue that "it's just a tiny jab!"

    9. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      Draconian!

  2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, a Republican, plans to announce that she is running for president.

    Is she crazy enough to appeal to the QAnon nutjobs?

    Great work, ENB.

    1. creech   2 years ago

      How are Dems reacting? Split the not-Trump-again votes five or ten ways in the GOP primaries and they might be assured of facing Trump again in 2024, which appears to be their only winning strategy.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        "appears to be their only winning strategy."

        Trump's been shitty the last year or so, but this is a ridiculous argument unless you're going with "I hate Trump so much I don't give a shit about blatantly false elections".
        You can't look at the 2022 midterms and maintain that the left's only winning strategy is Trump running.
        They don't need Trump when a throughly corrupt/cowardly court system and apathetic public won't check them...

        1. creech   2 years ago

          So you've given up? Do you buy into the theory that the Dems will never lose again because of election fraud? If they are a lock to win, then they don't have to campaign or raise money or bad mouth their opponents. I believe the country is pretty much split 50/50 and so-called independent voters can still be swayed - by reason, by emotion, by events - to carry the day for one side or the other. Could Trump win again? I guess so, but it doesn't look good for him at this point.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Say DeSantis wins (abandoning us loyal Floridians): what can he actually do?
            The leviathan is 99% leftist, and operates independently of the executive when it wants to. The courts are completely corrupt and can't enforce anything anyway. Most elected "conservatives" are uniparty loyalists who actively hate their constituents (see Ronna McDaniel reelection as RNC Chair).
            And the American people will accept State corruption/crimes millions of times worse than Watergate, lockdowns, forcible medical procedures, astroturfed widespread racial political terrorism, and blatantly illegitimate elections without imposing any consequences.
            So what can DeSantis, or anybody, really accomplish?
            They replaced an incumbent who had the most enthusiastic base we've ever seen, and broadened his support, with a literal prop.
            They're barely even pretending anymore.

          2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

            70% say the country is going in the wrong direction but they vote for the pilots hurling us toward the ground?

          3. DesigNate   2 years ago

            They still have to raise money, how else do they line their pockets?

        2. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

          Having Trump run makes the corruption easier to explain to a large swath of the population. Like the Kari Lake situation. Bash the character and behavior of the candidate, the poorly run election and questionable handling of mail in ballots gets pushed the back burner.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            They're going to do that anyway.
            You think it can become MORE obvious? It can't. Everybody sees it. And they got away with it.
            There is no political solution.

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      ENB has her own pedo fanboy. Cute.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        He's dreaming of babysitting for ENB junior.

    3. Chumby   2 years ago

      2*) I’m a libertarian and ENB <3 me. Also, I <3 kids.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Do you <3 with your (eggplant)?

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          Nu imi place zacusca si nu fac zacusca.

    4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      She's not an eight-year-old boy, pedo. Stop simping.

    5. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A pair of bills in Utah would impose draconian requirements on social media platforms in the name of protecting children.

    I would prefer draconian requirements on children to protect social media platforms but when in Utah...

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      How about draconian requirements on public educators?

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      By children do you mean the employees in tech?

  4. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Vice celebrates recent positive portrayals of sex workers in popular media, including White Lotus and The Menu."

    For recent HBO Max additions, The Menu is worth watching once. Maybe a bit overrated judging by its IMDb score.

    #BarbarianWasBetter

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Isn't Vice a basically completely failed media venture that lost virtually every penny of its value years ago?

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      The Menu is worth watching once

      I enjoyed it. Certainly wasn't what I expected.

      1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

        The ads had me 95% confident it was a cannibal movie. Kind of glad it went in a different direction.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Isn't Aubrey Plaza 'Lotus'? She is fucking hot.

      I know Peanuts are obsessed with Hunter Biden's Penis but if they ever got over their crush Aubrey might do it for them.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Do you find it at all curious Hunter is setting up a legal fund asking for millions for lawyers?

        Or are you that much if a protect dems at all costs youre still in denial?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          More likely he is projecting a fascination with Hunter's penis.

        2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          No, I look forward to a full two years of HUNTER BIDEN in the daily news feed.

          I love Carlin and his quote "I am lucky to be an American because I get a front-row seat at the political shit-show".

          Bring it on.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

            So let’s see how honest you are. Did hunter commit any crimes? FARA, AFT, taxes? Is the evidence on his laptop? Does his laptop have an email outlining classified state department information regarding Ukraine? Did the Bidens launder money from China? What about unreported diamonds? Was hunter flown around to meet clients on AF2? Did Joe meet with Hunters clients?

            Please answer. Let’s see how much in denial you are.

            Reminder. You often claimed the Trump kids committed illegal acts.

            1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

              All PB know is that Hunter engaged in sex trafficking of minors, and that makes him a hero to PB.

      2. Barfman9000   2 years ago

        She is fucking hot.

        Performative perfunctory pedo

        *barf*

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shit-pike, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      4. Square = Circle   2 years ago

        I know Peanuts are obsessed with Hunter Biden’s Penis

        Actually the only person who keeps bringing up Hunter Biden's penis is you. Every day. In every thread.

    4. JimboJr   2 years ago

      Will agree that it wasn't terrible. Which is high praise being that 90+% of recent movies and shows have devolved into complete hack garbage.

      We gave white lotus a try in its first season and it felt meh. Specifically one of the episodes where the activist teens are arguing that Hillary is essentially a shitty status quo politician (not incorrect) and the mom comes out with a full throated defense of Her Greatness. Add in other commentary from woke black girl about how the whites have 'had their time at the table' and we were over it. We get enough non stop political squabbling from every news outlet every day, I dont need it in the 1 hour of free time I have before bed

      1. Ska   2 years ago

        Yeah, but their attitudes blow up in their faces when they act on their beliefs.

        Season 2 also has a melange of characters, but for me the scenes with F Murray Abraham, Michael Imperioli and his little bitch social warrior son are all fucking gold. And the little bitch son also has his ideology blow up in his face a few times.

      2. Overt   2 years ago

        It's not just the leftist tropes, but also the completely lazy, consequence free writing.

        My kid was watching old seasons of Gray's Anatomy, and we both started watching the more recent Med Drama, New Amsterdam. It is striking how in the span of 15 years writing has gotten so...so...just dumb.

        Both programs have your typical liberal tropes. But New Amsterdam merely staples these liberal slogans on terrible characters. Every single conflict is some retread of "the character cares too damn much!" So they aren't making mistakes, they are nobly bucking administrators to get care for an illegal immigrant. They are taking uppers so they can do that extra shift in the ER. And it ALWAYS works out for them. Always. There are never consequences for their bold stands- some donor comes in to cover costs, or a bureaucrat's heart thaws after an impassioned speech.

        This feel-good pablum is so vacuous that even my reliably SJW-friendly daughter is constantly rolling her eyes.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          My kid was watching old seasons of Gray’s Anatomy, and we both started watching the more recent Med Drama, New Amsterdam. It is striking how in the span of 15 years writing has gotten so…so…just dumb.

          I've seen the fallout of the writer's strike blamed for a lot of this, but I honestly don't buy it. What happened was that Hollywood has become increasingly radicalized in the last 20-odd years as the far more hard left Millennials and Zoomers have come to dominate the workforce within the industry. These are the people whose view of society was defined by the Harry Potter novels, so they aren't really capable of thinking in very sophisticated terms about humanity or the march of civilization in general. They only know what they can look up on their smartphone.

          Some of the older Boomer and Xer bosses have taken that as a green light to indulge their worst ideological impulses. That lack of self-control doesn't make for good writing or culture-defining entertainment; it's just disposable, recycled pablum, the entertainment equivalent of a Happy Meal.

          These are people who screech "fascism" about anyone who resists their political agenda. That kind of childish, reductive mindset isn't going to lend itself to mature, insightful studies of humanity and its contradictions, or creating even a left-wing critique that even conservatives can enjoy. A satire of Reagan-era America like "Robocop" or "They Live" looks like fucking Shakespeare compared to the ham-fisted crap Hollywood's been spewing out the last 15 years or so.

          1. DesigNate   2 years ago

            The Harry Potter novels have a teenage boy fighting against oppression and unjust authority (even creating their own little militia) with his friends and classmates, all of whom walk around with a WMD in their pockets.

            1. Overt   2 years ago

              Right, I think Harry Potter is a relatively GOOD example of modern writing.

              People aren't just evil or good caricatures. Harry is constantly learning that people aren't who they seem to be, and he is constantly realizing that his snap judgements are biased and wrong. Almost everything that he FEEEELZZZZ is ultimately to his detriment.

              And there are real consequences. People die a lot. Choices actually matter.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                The problem is that isn't the lesson they took from it. Hell, when you really read the Harry Potter novels, the wizarding world is run by a wholly risk-averse, short-sighted bureaucracy (although, admittedly, not wholly corrupt, as the head of the Ministry did condemn his own son to prison), and the adults are completely fucking incompetent at protecting the kids in their charge from harm. At the end of the novels, the status quo has been restored and Harry is part of the bureaucracy.

                The lesson these dingdongs took from it is that there's good (Harry) and bad (Voldemort), and government/real marxism would work fine if only the right people were in charge.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Vice celebrates recent positive portrayals of sex workers in popular media...

    I'll assume Law & Order: Special Victims Unit is no longer on the air.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      What about positive portrayals of drug users or hobos sleeping in the park?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Are you on the SFC tourism board?

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      The Hooker-With-A-Heart-Of-Gold Trope has only been a trope in theater since the 2nd Century B.C. I'm sure, despite Julia Roberts and Richard Gere's best efforts, The Menu will be the film that finally turns things around for working girls everywhere.

      1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        Miss Kitty ran a whorehouse on Gunsmoke from the 1940s.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    We're headed for a wave of pricey and pointless new stadium subsidies...

    Would you rather they start putting stadiums on offshore rigs or, God forbid, in rural areas?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Farm land is too expensive.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        No field of dreams?

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      Like Phoenix did?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Why Police Officers Almost Never Get Punished

    Enforcement arm of politicians' whims.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

      King’s men.

      It will be much better when the thugs are from the National Security Service who serve the Central Committee, er, the People.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, a Republican, plans to announce that she is running for president.

    Someone wants to be Secretary of State.

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  9. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Tom Brady says he is retiring from football 'for good'

    ESPN

    Wow, the LFP rate is plummeting. This Biden economy sucks.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      No. Tom Brady has nothing to do with why the Biden economy sucks.

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      You mad that TB12 wasn’t something about preteens?

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  10. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

    " ...get parental consent before allowing someone under age 18 to open or maintain an account, provide parents or guardians of minors with "access to the content and interactions" of accounts maintained by their children, and "limit hours of access [for minors], subject to parental or guardian direction," per a summary of the bill."

    I'm not seeing the tyranny in this. It looks like everything imposed is subject to parental control.

    Am I missing something?

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      What’s next? Kids need parental consent for gender reassignment surgery?

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        The horror!

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      You missed the sedition inherent in parents controlling their kids, instead of leaving it to the state, and their tech mogul partners.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Parents rights must be abridged. See mao, ussr. And nazi Germany.

    4. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      Obviously you are not associating with the right people. If you were you'd know that enabling pedos is the new hotness and that drugging and analy raping young teens never goes out of fashion for those people.

  11. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, a Republican, plans to announce that she is running for president."

    Don't forget her fellow totally legit contender Larry Hogan.

    I normally dislike using this type of analysis, but it's unavoidable: If Republicans were secretly trying to help Democrats, what would they be doing differently?

    1. Rich   2 years ago

      Vermin Supreme's chances are looking better.

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Larry Hogan is actually one of the few sane Republicans.

      The Insanity Spectrum of the GOP is very wide. You got your Hogan and Ben Sasse on the sane side then all the MTG/Trump/QAnon batshit crazy Republicans jamming the Insane needle off the scale.

    3. Chumby   2 years ago

      Is Haley one of Hogan’s heroes?

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

        Maybe her LeBeau?

    4. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I normally dislike using this type of analysis,

      WTH? The *only* other type of analysis you do is the satirical "What would Reason Magazine do?"

      Your whole premise for Ronnie D. being better than Donnie T. is because you think Dems want Donnie T. because they think Joe can beat him and you said as much out of the gate.

      Methinks the lady doth protest...

    5. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      Lol, MD governors and their national delusions. Larry you got the same chance as Martin had. Zero.

    6. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      What are you talking about? Haley is decent in her own right and I don't see how a reasonable number of solid candidates is worse than one uncouth but solid candidate vs a bevy of Democrat lite options.

      The allure of Trump was never the man himself but the priorities and policies he emphasized as well as not kowtowing to a media that hates Republicans. Having 3-4 options in that mold makes it less likely he'll be nominated, not more.

      Nevermind that the reaction to Trump by the media was bog standard for the media toward any Republican candidate.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Haley is mostly an empty suit; you're right that there's nothing particularly bad or offensive about her, but I don't see her being capable of going toe-to-toe with Democrats. She doesn't scare them nearly as much as DeSantis does, and it's because they don't actually see her as much of a threat to effectively push an agenda, and who will roll over at the slightest amount of pushback from the media.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The Biden administration is evaluating the possibility of declaring a public-health emergency on abortion...

    14 minutes to flatten her bump.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

      OR HIS. SORRY.

      1. JimboJr   2 years ago

        *phew*

        bigotry crisis everted

    2. Anomalous   2 years ago

      You really delivered with that joke.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        It gave me pregnant pause.

      2. Rich   2 years ago

        Fist is generally at your cervix.

      3. Chumby   2 years ago

        What else were you expecting?

      4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        He missed on the last few, so he was due.

    3. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

      ...begin pregnant pause.....

  13. Nardz   2 years ago

    A reminder of media coverage regarding Trump, coverage that has influenced too many here...

    https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1236535783605121026?t=ohDaEK6W7OmUNOBvDjwkug&s=19

    THREAD: Fri Jan 31, 2020, a few weeks before #Coronavirus has officially spread to other countries (which led to the bad stock market week Feb 24-Feb 28), the Trump Admin announced travel restrictions on China. Here is some of the reporting it generated. Take Politico of 2/4/20.

    "The Trump admin's quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could UNDERCUT international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to public health experts and lawmakers."

    [Thread, links]

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Thats okay. Vox thinks we can learn good lessons from the Chinese lockdowns and how helpful they were.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1620376576238968833

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

        There are excellent lessons to learn from the CCP response. But statists learn only one lesson ever: MORE!

  14. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    They have genuine agency and their choices are front and centre in the narratives.

    Maybe, one day, life will imitate art.

  15. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Walmart’s Sam’s Club to add 30 stores in next few years

    https://www.13abc.com/2023/01/26/walmarts-sams-club-add-30-stores-next-few-years/

    As Sandy-baby knows, this is the most important economic indicator of all.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      I just use that as the quintessential example of your outrageous partisan hackery.

      2018 Buttplug: HEY PEANUTS LOOK AT THIS SAM'S CLUB IS CLOSING STORES THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE ECONOMY SUCKS

      2023 Buttplug: IGNORE INFLATION IGNORE YOUR TANKING PORTFOLIO IGNORE THIS IGNORE BED BATH & BEYOND CIRCLING THE DRAIN PRAISE BIDEN BECAUSE THINGS ARE BETTER NOW THAN IN MARCH 2020 ALSO RIG COUNT IS UP

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Also ignore all the brand new Amazon buildings sitting unused for the next 2 years.

        1. rbike   2 years ago

          There is one just down the road, a bit off I-80. Lit up at night. Not a truck in the parking lot. Maybe 2025.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Yes, of course. You don't believe the Wal-Mart Indicator is real?

        When flyover riff-raff are buying their cheap shit and Wal-Mart is expanding that is bullish.

        Animal spirits, Sandy-baby.

        1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

          I care more about the people I know IRL (who despise Trump on a personal level) who admit they were better off financially when Trump was in office. They haven't enjoyed watching their net worths crash harder in 2022 than even in the first pandemic year.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Okay, admittedly 2022 has been terrible for stocks. But the trough of 2020 was MUCH worse.

            Do you want me to post the lows again?

            Remind your Trump pals of that.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Trumps pals or dem governors shutting down the economies of their states?

              It is amazing watching you lie constantly.

            2. DesigNate   2 years ago

              Sandra says her friends loathe trump, and like a good little monkey, you call them Trump pals.

              Never change shrike.

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            "the people I know IRL (who despise Trump on a personal level)"

            Least surprising post of the day

      3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        2018 Buttplug: HEY PEANUTS LOOK AT THIS SAM’S CLUB IS CLOSING STORES THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE ECONOMY SUCKS

        And I called the 2020 recession. You left that out.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          LOL, yeah it took real genius to predict that shutting down the economy in response to a pandemic would result in a recession. Way to go, you dizzy fuckhead.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

            Prediction was in 2019, dumbass.

            Ask Sandy. She tracks my quotes.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              Covid had no bearing on it huh? Is it weird the post covid recovery under trump was higher than Bidens and Biden is wading through an economic crash?

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              And at that time, it was wishful thinking, not a serious analysis, dumbass.

            3. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            4. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

              Yeah. Your predictions are either flat out wrong (Jeb 2016 nomination, Trump going to prison "soon"), or correct but based on discredited reasoning (the bad 2020 economic numbers would be caused by .......... tariffs).

              #BlindSquirrel

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                This is the same retard who's been claiming for 15 years that Bush was responsible for the 2009 budget deficit, even though he never signed off on the FY09 budget to begin with, and it didn't get authorized until well after Obama started his first term.

                1. DesigNate   2 years ago

                  It’s the same retard who continually posts links to articles that refute his claims.

            5. DesigNate   2 years ago

              You’re such a partisan fuck that you were just hoping it would happen so the Dems had a shot at winning.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Called it, or cheered for it?

        3. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Real dollar value of income down. Savings down near depression levels. Inflation double gdp growth rising mostly on government spending.

          Great economy dumbass.

        4. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You got lucky, pedo. Without Covid, there was no 2020 recession.

          1. Chumby   2 years ago

            Without (blue state) government response to covid.

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            It wasn't luck...

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      A store where a paid membership is required to shop is the sign of a healthy economy?

      Your economics knowledge is mind boggling.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        What about stores that require a Party card to shop?

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        I don’t agree with Buttplug that the opening or closing of one retail chain says much about the direction of the economy, but having said that … that Sam’s Club charges a nominal $50 - $110 annual membership is a weak counter argument to Buttplug’s position.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago (edited)

          The price of spittin tobacky is a more reliable metric for gauging the state of the economy.

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          For "Flyover riff raff", that is not a small pill to swallow.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Sounds like you are nursing resentment about attitudes some big city liberals have toward rural conservatives.

            I, personally, don’t think that kind of attitude toward rural people is cool. However, I also think you are selling rural people short in saying it’s a big problem for them to come up with $50 annual fee to shop at a discount big box store.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              As somebody who was one...no, I'm really not.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                If that is so, they have much bigger problems than whether Sam's Club charges an annual membership fee or not, as in they are not going to make out well having to pay their bills or shop at any conceivable store.

                1. Chumby   2 years ago

                  Irrelevant authority followed by some gaslighting. Why not follow up with one of your “A buddy/relative/former colleague of mine” tales in an effort to strawman it? Hey, when you get called out on that bullshit you can protect your narrative and ego by claiming an imposter posted it.

      3. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/christinebarnum/status/1620529977832902659?t=Zr32QMmvyPzeu6a0Xp2IGg&s=19

        WTF????

        Costco is designing an 800 unit apartment to be built on top of Costco, comes with free membership, room service for the pizza/hotdogs etc. & more…. What movie are we living in?! #costco

        1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

          What movie are we living in?!

          Idiocracy.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Efficiencies would be built by Carl's Jr. And redneck boat slips would be floating on lakes of Brawndo. 🙂

          2. tracerv   2 years ago

            Paging President Camacho.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Police dogs aren't necessary to protect police or prevent suspect resistance...

    So you want those donut engines to actually run after citizens themselves???

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    A federal prisoner in North Carolina faces an additional 40-year prison sentence for possessing buprenorphine, a drug that helps people deal with heroin withdrawal.

    Federal prosecutors have to get their drug war wherever they can find it.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Prosecutors bungled the case against a crooked former New York City narcotics detective.

    Oops! That was totally unintentional.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      Ahhh but NY procecuters are going after trump for screwing a porn star.

      Check mate my friend!

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      That's what I was thinking. The guy was a legend, beloved by cops and prosecutors alike for filling up prisons. So of course the prosecutor is going to flub the case so the judge can dismiss it. Any word on when he will be rehired with back pay and raises?

    3. Minadin   2 years ago

      And of course, the prosecutors responsible for this will face potentially serious repercussions, right?

      1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        I'm sure they'll get sacked immediately like the USVI attorney general.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

        I looked into it and it appears that she was dismissed. I guess they decided flubbing the case was worse than prosecuting it.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          Dismissed - Not disbarred or prosecuted?

          Can she just go on lawyering somewhere else, like so many police officers or catholic priests accused of wrongdoing who just take the same job in the next jurisdiction / parish over?

  19. Rich   2 years ago

    Complying with any one of these state laws would be difficult for social media companies. Complying with them all would be nearly impossible

    "BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!"

  20. Rich   2 years ago

    "You are selling a product that is addicting in nature, and you build algorithms with a primary purpose of institutionalizing that addiction."

    "But, enough about government."

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Democracy! (the voting for free stuff kind?)

  21. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Trump makes shocking comments about trusting Putin over US ‘intelligence lowlifes’
    Trump famously took Putin’s word on 2016 election interference during joint presser with Russian leader

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-fbi-nsa-lowlifes-b2272343.html

    Well, since Donnie French-kissed Vlad in Helsinki we have known what a Putin Butt-Boy he is.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      ...yet Biden gave Putin the end of any attempts by the US to improve energy independence.

      I love that you keep citing news stories about a thoroughly debunked hoax...then you have the nerve to mock QAnon folks.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Crazy knows crazy.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        What hoax? From the link (quoting Donnie on social media):

        “Remember in Helsinki when a 3rd rate reporter asked me, essentially, who I trusted more, President Putin of Russia, or our ‘Intelligence’ lowlifes[?]” wrote the former president in a Monday morning post.
        ...........
        He continued: “My instinct at the time was that we had really bad people in the form of James Comey, McCabe (whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!), Brennan, Peter Strzok (whose wife is at the SEC) & his lover, Lisa Page. Now add McGonigal & other slime to the list. Who would you choose, Putin or these Misfits?”
        ......................
        The post refers to the infamous moment during his one and only joint appearance with Mr Putin during which the US president, prompted by a reporter, indicated that he took the word of his Russian counterpart over the findings of several US intelligence agencies in the wake of the 2016 election.

        The tongue bath Donnie gave Putin in Helsinki is on video.

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        What hoax? Trump did in fact say what the article quotes him as saying.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          They only read wingnut.com - which somehow avoided this story.

          Cause FATASS DONNIE is Pro-Putin and anti-Ukraine/NATO.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Got a citation for that?

          2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Oh look, Buttplug is Hamilton 68.

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Facts can't change beliefs that were arrived at by emotion.

          1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

            But facts can change, right?

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            I for one am happy you've been reduced to shilling for Mike and Shrike. Much more of a natural environment for you. Not sure if they will go to concerts with you though.

          3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "Facts can’t change beliefs that were arrived at by emotion."

            That should be carved on your tombstone, hypocrite.

            Particularly ironic given that the new revelations about Hamilton 68 means it all really was a hoax... which you still believe despite them... because of emotion.

        3. damikesc   2 years ago

          The Russia collusion hoax. That Trump was in any way answerable to Putin.

          And Trump's answer is correct. I'd trust anybody over Comey, Clapper, Strzok, et al.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Elements of the Russian collusion accusations were refuted BUT there was Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

            That is a known fact. Also, though, the actual Russian collusion wasn’t of much consequence despite Democratic efforts to paint it as significant.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Hillary literally paid a foreign British agent to pay Russians for intel.

              Yet you still hold onto the Russia hoax.

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                Dee may claim that Trump hacked Hillary’s emails and he really was behind it.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "Also, though, the actual Russian collusion"

              There was no Russia collusion. Every single accusation has been proven to be hoaxes and outright lies.

              Not one iota of it was true. Every part of it was fabricated. And you know this.

              You know this but you're still trying to lie about it.

            3. damikesc   2 years ago

              Literally not a word of it was true. But keep holding on.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                Not a word of it?

                So, you are saying that Democrats are correct in their position that the Trump campaign's collusion with the Russions is super important?

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  No, not a word of it.

                  Yet another debunking of it again, yesterday:

                  https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-ed-note.php

                  No narrative did more to shape Trump’s relations with the press than Russiagate. The story, which included the Steele dossier and the Mueller report among other totemic moments, resulted in Pulitzer Prizes as well as embarrassing retractions and damaged careers. For Trump, the press’s pursuit of the Russia story convinced him that any sort of normal relationship with the press was impossible.

                  1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                    Your own link doesn't deny that Manafort met with Kilimnik. This is precisely what I was referring to when I said "elements" and it also what I mean when I said the collusion "wasn't of much consequence".

                    So, why the F do you keep arguing with me? Other than you've got it in for me and want to catch me in a "gotcha"? Do you even hear the part where I am clearly saying that the Democrats made too much of the whole thing?

                    There is way more "Troll" than "Logic" in your comments. The only reason I unmuted you a few days ago is that I vaguely remembered you as being someone who could hold an adult conversation.

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Your own link doesn’t deny that Manafort met with Kilimnik. This is precisely what I was referring to when I said “elements” and it also what I mean when I said the collusion “wasn’t of much consequence”."

                      Because we know what games you are playing when you say “wasn’t of much". It was of NO consequence whatsoever, but you're still trying to hint that there was something there.

                2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Again, if you say not a word of what I wrote is true, then you are saying the Democrats are correct in their assigning so much importance to Russian collusion.

                  You have “Logic” right there in your handle.

        4. DesigNate   2 years ago

          The hoax is that he collided with Russia to win the 2016 election. But then you knew that, didn’t you Mike?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Fuckin' LOL at the hicklib pederast stanning for US intel agencies now.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        I trust the CIA over Con-Man Donnie any day.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Which says a lot more about you than it does about Trump, hicklib.

        2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          That statement is very telling. TDS is real. Emphasis on "Derangement".

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            But unfortunately not fatal.

        3. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          jesus christ, simping for the CIA now too. This buttplug guy is really something

        5. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Tell me you're a Democrat without actually telling me you're a Democrat.

        6. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "I trust the CIA"

          Yeah, we all knew that.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      He also essentially confessed to all the accusations against him in the Stormy Daniels case. It must suck so hard to be Trump’s lawyer, just trying to get him to shut the fuck up.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        “With respect to the ‘Stormy’ nonsense, it is VERY OLD & happened a long time ago, long past the very publicly known & accepted deadline of the Statute of Limitations. I placed full Reliance on the JUDGEMENT & ADVICE OF COUNCIL, who I had every reason to believe had a license to practice law, was competent, & was able to appropriately provide solid legal services. He came from a good law firm, represented other clients over the years, & there was NO reason not to rely on him, and I did.”

        1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          Sounds incriminating all right

        2. Chumby   2 years ago

          Did you post this or was it another imposter?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Must be Tulpa.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              "TULPA!!!"

              We'll file this next to HO2 and fire extinguishers.

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                Were the fire extinguishers dry chemical, C2O or HO2?

        3. JesseAz   2 years ago

          What do you think is illegal about NDAs?

    4. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Are these the same IC agents who denied Hunters laptop was real, issued false FISA warrants, helped generate the Steele dossier, became misinformation members of think tanks and SV leading to false media stories like Tulsa being backed by Russians?

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Yes.

        And as long as they keep doing shady excellent work like that, White Mike will continue to swear to their trustworthiness.

  22. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    "Police dogs aren't necessary to protect police or prevent suspect resistance,"

    Who said they were? They are dogs trained to sit in order to give cops an impromptu search warrant. I don't think I ever heard anyone argue cop dogs are for protection

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      What about job protection?

      1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

        If the dogs aren't paying their union dues then f em

  23. Chumby   2 years ago

    Reason has been offering steady diet of articles critical of DeSantis, the frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination. Now trickling in are pieces regarding Utah and Louisiana; do they think the VP nominee will hail from one of these two places?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Who the hell would they pull out of those states as a VP nom? Most of the GOP base doesn't even trust Utah Republicans because of guys like Romney and Huntsman, and glowies like Egg McMuffin, while the last LA Republican with any name recognition was Bobby Jindal, who flamed out in 2016 because he wasted a bunch of energy going after Trump instead of actually putting together a platform that the GOP voters wanted.

  24. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1620478271036198912?t=zwVPs9zG7NTlIqPqXFAdLw&s=19

    So they’ll threaten to prosecute @KariLake for showing fake signatures and exposing literal fraud, but not the people who shut down dozens of voting machines in Republican precincts on Election Day?

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      at this point, the louder they cry and fuss about election "deniers" the more i'm sure ther'es something going on there.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago (edited)

      This growing trend of using the strong arm of the state against people who bring lawsuits they don’t like is a definitely an acceleration of our descent into a Marxist totalitarian state.

  25. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Another wide study showing masks are nearly useless. Just like the prior 100 years if research before covid modelers tried to correct the science.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/science/little-no-difference-massive-mask-meta-study-undermines-remaining-covid-mandates

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      You just summoned Mike who will post links to two-year-old articles validating his rebuttal. In 3,2,1...

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Not possible for JesseAz to summon me unless you quote from whatever he said in his comment, so I have some idea what the topic is. I have leaned it is never worth it to unmute him to find out what he has said.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Yes. You choose ignorance as the basis of your narrative pushing. This has been discussed many times.

        2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          How'd you know it was Jesse if he's muted?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            He claimed he had muted me. Then you saw what went down Monday and yesterday. Mike lies about muting people.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              No, I had you muted then I unmuted you a few days ago.

              It’s turning out that it was probably a bad decision on my part because all discussion with you since has been low quality on your end.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Because you like to live in your own little bubble and shun facts when shown to you?

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  Because you keep posting comments refuting claims I didn’t even make in the first place, posting links to articles that don’t back up your claims, posted a comment scolding me for not admitting I was wrong in reply to a comment where I admitted I was wrong. And aren’t you the one that brought up that ancient HO2 comment that I didn’t make?

                  It’s like you are someone with pretty bad ADHD trying much too hard to score a “gotcha” against me.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Difficulty. He refuted your statement. And once he did you started questioning the sources and relying on website changes made after the fact to disprove the prior statements from the hospital's own website. You have constantly dismissed facts and evidence and rely heavily on ad hominem attacks against sources or relying on Google memory holing an event as evidence the facts never existed.

              2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                Fuck off with “muting / unmuting “ bullshit.

              3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Can you cite one high quality post from you as an example of what we should try for?

                1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

                  We've gotten a lot of mileage out of his HO2 post

                2. Chumby   2 years ago

                  I didn’t even know what a sea lion was until Mike arrived at Reason. It was most profound when Dee would respond to Ken seeking his approval.

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Really? Have you never muted anyone? There’s a “Show username” link one can click on on each muted comment.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Most people aren't scared of others arguments.

              1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

                I would point out that their behavior demonstrates that progressives are afraid of arguments and facts that disprove their belief system. So are a large number of other left-leaning folks, and too many right-leaning folks, centrists.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      All you have to do is look at China and wonder why is everyone sick if they are all wearing masks.

      1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

        All you really had to do was remember when SARS was a thing in the early 2000s. The news channels always showed Asians walking around masked. Eventually SARS went away. If masks were the reason... experts like CDC Chief, Dr. Redfield, would have made his "this mask protects me better than a vaccine" comment circa 2004.

  26. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/BrandonWarmke/status/1620465972766441473?t=gjyz89T9Sc3Bm10ogONVNA&s=19

    Academics: we are appalled that anyone would try to politicize the academy and academic hiring.

    Also academics:

    [Links]

  27. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    Parody is obsolete: Exhibit #377

    Fuck Ron DeSantis. I know tons of people think he's moderate and sensible. He is not. The guy is Trump but worse and actually competent.

    That's Harvard genius David Hogg.

    What, did you think "Every new Republican is worse than the previous Republican" would stop just because they screamed the previous Republican was a Russian asset for 5 years?

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      David Hogg? As spokesman for Democrats?

      At best he could replace Michael Moore when he finally chokes on a Fatburger Special.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Thank God Soros is there to sue DeSantis and shut down his plans.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/soros-backed-charity-suing-desantis-received-70k-from-major-liberal-dark-money-group/ar-AA14h1Rd

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        Never forget: turd lies. It's what turd does.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Hoggbreath isn't wrong, though, about why the left is so terrified of DeSantis--they've written several articles already discussing how he's Trump without all the baggage, and is a legitimately intelligent politician who knows how to play the system.

      Trump lucked out in 2016 due to the alignment of a lot of different socio-political factors that year which really gave someone like him the best chance to win--the relative lack of heavy-handed moderation enjoyed by people on social media at the time, which allowed Trump and the alt-right to be far more influential than they were allowed to be in the ensuing years; the Dems coronating Hillary, one of the most unlikeable candidates in history; Jill Stein offering an alternative to the radical left who were pissed about Bernie getting sandbagged by the DNC, which the Dems made sure to suppress in 2020 in critical swing states; the lack of ballot harvesting and loose mail-in balloting rules that have marked elections since 2018.

      What the left is really scared of isn't just that DeSantis is a far more competent and smarter politician than Trump. Their biggest worry is that he understands how to neutralize the left's electoral reindeer games, as evidenced by the completely drama-free elections in Florida in 2020 and 2022 after 20 years of being a prime example of election-day dysfunction. If he ever got in office, the odds that a lot of the bullshit that the Dems are pulling in elections now would get suppressed, and they can't have that if they want to have a hope in hell of maintaining their strangleholds on some of these swing states.

    3. Super Scary   2 years ago

      They will practically be buddy-buddy with Trump in comparison to how they will treat Desantis. Exactly like how Romney was the next Hitler until Trump showed up in 2015. Now? Romney is their best little neo-con friend.

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    But more stadiums will be needed during the next disease/climate/race riot double crisis national emergency. Where else will we put the rounded-up dissidents?

  29. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    “The Biden administration is evaluating the possibility of declaring a public-health emergency on abortion,” reports National Review.

    Does this feel an awful lot like a “mark your doorway with the blood of the lamb” thing to anyone else?

    1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Yeah, it sounds pretty creepy.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Yes, but it won’t be lamb’s blood this time.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        First unborn son?

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 years ago

          Unmarked. You have to keep the baby.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        Eww

  30. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    A pair of bills in Utah would impose draconian requirements on social media platforms in the name of protecting children.

    Come back to us again with a second take when your kid is 10 to 12 years old, ENB. I'm pretty sure your opinion might just have changed a little.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Maybe. By then, ENB Jr. might be a regular on Pornhub.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Are you sure about that? ENB regularly champions the cause of sex worker freedom. You think she’s suddenly going to be in favor of handing conservative government control over her kid’s social media usage?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

        Lots of things change when people have kids, especially teenagers.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          True. According to HomeFacts, there are 1,100 registered sex offenders living in Cincinnati.

        2. Bmk149   2 years ago

          I agree. Once people have children they usually become state-worshipping cucks.

      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        She's going to hand control over to her kid’s Uncle Shackford.

  31. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    UN goes nuts over race.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/01/the-uns-racial-hysteria/

    The United Nations is in the grip of woke hysteria. For clear evidence of this, look no further than a recent statement by a group of UN-appointed experts on the state of race relations in the UK. These experts claim that black Britons are ‘living in fear’, due to structural, institutional and systemic racism.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      I've noticed a spate of reparations articles lately. No one takes that shit seriously but it is good media fodder for wingnuts.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Why is California paying for groups to study it then?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Yup, totally not happening on college campuses (indoctrination requirements, admissions and hiring criteria), in business (government requirements for DEI, ESG propaganda, race-pandering marketing), or government (you pick the DEI program).

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  32. Nardz   2 years ago

    Holy shit, this graphic...

    https://twitter.com/TheKevinDalton/status/1620526755462385666?t=N9WUIEOvHQjMHgXIegDqpw&s=19

    Why don’t Californians want to stay in California?

    [Graphic]

  33. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Ideologues in the arts, and they're from the left.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/how-ideologues-infiltrated-the-arts

    “When I see commissions or opportunities that are specifically looking for females or LGBTQ or BIPOC people to apply, I just sigh, wonder what this achieves, and move on,” he said. “Artistic institutions are adopting mission statements that sound nice and virtuous, but if you dig deeper under the surface, they’re promoting an agenda that doesn’t promote true and fair diversity, equity, and inclusion.”

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      The left is eating itself before our very eyes. It's kind of enjoyable to watch.

  34. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Bats everywhere breathe a sigh of relief.

    https://nypost.com/2023/02/01/ozzy-osbourne-announces-retirement-from-touring-cancels-all-remaining-shows/

    In a statement shared on social media Wednesday, the “Crazy Train” hitmaker said he’s no longer able to tour around the globe due to the damage his spine has endured in a nasty accident four years ago.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      I went and saw him when he was promoting "No More Tears" with Zach. He called it the "No More Tours Tour." Thought it was my last chance. I think he started Ozzfest the very next year. Tried to get my money back by suing for false advertising, but it went about as far as Lionel Hutz's similar suit against the makers of "The Never Ending Story."

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Bats everywhere breathe a sigh of relief.

      I figured we'd finally called off the search for the original source colony and decided to let them off the hook for the whole COVID thing.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      It's honestly shocking, and a credit to Sharon's perseverance, that he didn't keel over from a drug overdose or alcohol poisoning decades ago.

  35. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    1619 is terrible historical fiction.

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/nikole-hannah-jones-1619-docuseries-lies-about-american-history-again/

    The scene opens in Williamsburg on the grounds of its reconstructed colonial Governor’s Palace, where Hannah-Jones joins University of South Carolina professor Woody Holton — one of a handful of heterodox historians who defended the 1619 Project’s original narrative. As the cameras pan across streets filled with historical re-enactors and tourists in front of restored colonial buildings, the pair take another stab at resurrecting the 1619 Project’s narrative about the American Revolution.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago (edited)

      Stream it with the whole family.*

      *Your definition of family is up to you, as long as it is not patriarchal, too white, or centers on married parents exerting authority over the “kids”.

  36. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Perverse progressives

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/blaming-white-supremacy-for-tyre-nichols-death-is-perverse/

    There’s nothing white supremacy can’t do.

    It is supposedly so pervasive and powerful that it can cause black men to sign up to serve as police officers in a majority-black city and beat up a black arrestee.

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Disney and 1619 fiction.

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/disneys-insane-embrace-of-toxic-1619-lies/

    Yes, teaching about slavery and its horrors is hugely important. But pushing 1619’s false history, as Disney’s doing, is a disgrace. It will prevent kids and adults alike from seeing the evils of slavery as they really were — and from seeing the great good that came from a country that was founded on universal ideals. Yes, it didn’t live up to those ideals at first and would have to fight for them. But the seed was there.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      CRT Fundamentals:
      1. Everything we don't like is because racism.
      2. There is no objective truth, and thus no factual history, only propaganda. Better we spread our own.
      3. All life and social structure is about power. We want it.

  38. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    A drag too far?

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/even-liberals-balk-at-where-gender-wars-are-headed/

    “Like Saturn, the revolution devours its children.” These words were written in 1793, by a Frenchman appalled at the madness the French Revolution unleashed. He was right: Revolutions have a momentum of their own. And America’s sexual revolution follows the same pattern. What began with war on the rules governing sex has become war on every natural bond and limit — even those of our biology

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      No kidding. Remember when gay rights activists just wanted to be treated the same as everyone else, instead of gender warriors demanding access to pervert kids?

  39. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Biden and the Covid "emergency".

    https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/bidens-base-why-he-wont-end-the-covid-emergency-for-months/

    To recap: The president declared the crisis moment had passed Sept. 18, 2022, when he appeared on “60 Minutes” and said “the pandemic is over.” On Jan. 30, 2023, the White House announced the official “COVID emergency” would come to an end in May 2023. That’s eight months after Biden’s “60 Minutes” claim.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      How can you see 4 months into the future to know an emergency will be over?

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        ^ This. what a joke.

      2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

        Crystal ball.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Election cycle calendar?

      4. Chumby   2 years ago

        Just two weeks to flatten the curve.

  40. Nardz   2 years ago

    Lol

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1620624343767330817?t=dClWX-LwFVno3cXSLqnk6w&s=19

    The Sims game announced a new update which has the option to make a teen character non-binary or transgender by giving them double mastectomy scars and chest binders.

    The Sims is advertised for ages 12+

    They’re teaching young healthy girls that it’s ok to chop off their breasts

    [Link]

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Not just OK, but admirable.

  41. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    This guy wants to play a game.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-uk-defense-minister-says-nato-may-need-send-ground-forces-ukraine

    The "domino theory" was once used to great effect in order to manipulate the American public into supporting the Vietnam War, but will the same narrative work to get the west to support World War III with Russia?

    Former UK Defense Minister Sir Gerald Howarth seems to think so as he uses this exact claim to justify NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      These degenerate warpigs need to be removed by any means necessary.

  42. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    From the land of fruits, flakes, and nuts...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/new-wealth-tax-could-be-californias-nuttiest-idea-yet

    AB 259’s language says the tax would be imposed for an asset sale “at any time within the past 10 years … the taxpayer shall report the valuation” to the Franchise Tax Board (FTB). This apparently means the taxpayer would be liable for such transactions even if he left the state, until the 10 years of “valuation” eventually expired.

    I fail to see how this is even constitutional for California to impose.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Like they care about details.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I had to pay capital gains taxes to California on stock options earned while I lived in California, even though I don’t live there anymore. That sucked.

      If i recall correctly, I did, however, get to deduct it from state income tax in my new state of residence.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        haha you voted for that shit. y ou cant complain

      2. Ska   2 years ago

        Resident state tax credit, not a deduction - the credit is a better result. But they're arguing that the cap gains after selling stock AFTER exercising options is sourced to CA because that's when you got the options? Fuck that. I'd fight that shit if the tax rate in your resident state provided a large enough arbitrage to make it worthwhile.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          I agree. Fuck that. I don't live in California anymore.

          And you are right about it being a credit not a deduction. I forgot some of the details.

          It wasn't worth fighting. One little extra way in which it sucked is that I ended up having to purchase the TurboTax CA add-on package, which cost me, like, an extra $50 to file my taxes.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          One reason it would have been hard to fight is that for a while there during the pandemic, it was like nobody was home at the California Franchise Tax Board. They didn't respond to emails or answer their phone.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      These morons have already killed the golden goose, they just havent realized it yet.

      Major companies fleeing right and left. The productive middle class moving to Texas. It's over for California.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Over? It is the dawn of the new DEI ESG LBGTQRXYZ Green Social Justice Future! Where an enlightened elite class will care for a working (or not working) peasantry, with the right kind of inequality.

  43. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    How to fully embarrass oneself.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trans-criminals-who-raped-women-are-women-says-scottish-leader

    Scottish leader Nicola Sturgeon says transgender criminals convicted for raping women are women, despite a car crash interview in which she appeared to flip flop all over the place.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      The emperor's new clothes is turning out to be basically a documentary

      1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

        Serial rapist (and occasionally murderer) after serial rapist (and occasionally murderer) suddenly deciding “I’m trans!” and not so much as a “Hey, maybe *some* of these guys aren’t being honest?” or even “You know, if we keep saying ‘yeah, they’re all trans’, it kinda makes sense that people would assume there’s a disproportionate amount of rape going on by trannies.”

        Nope. Just “They’re all trans and you owe them top/bottom surgery. Stop pretending they’re not normal!”

        Fucking insanity.

        1. Moonrocks   2 years ago

          “Hey, maybe *some* of these guys aren’t being honest?”

          That would be heresy.

          1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

            News flash: none of them are being honest.

            1. mad.casual   2 years ago

              It's like the Mitchell and Webb "Are we the baddies?" sketch.

              It never dawns on any of them that they've never been caught defending one of Ru Paul's TV shows or some adult female impersonator show in Vegas or whatever. They aren't out there defending cis-female strippers from an onslaught of hyper-Puritanical Christian protestors. It's always a trans teacher sexualizing children in school and trans rapists in prison that they wind up defending.

  44. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    What's the chance more classified documents pop up?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64488011

    The search is the latest in a series carried out at various locations, following the discovery of classified documents at the Penn Biden Center - an officer space - in Washington DC in November. This was not made public at the time.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      I see a kids' picture book series.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Brandon Makes Poopie

  45. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    California wants to hog the Colorado River.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/us/california-water-proposal-colorado-river-climate/index.html

    In a closed-door negotiation last week over the fate of the Colorado River, representatives from California’s powerful water districts proposed modeling what the basin’s future would look like if some of the West’s biggest cities – including Phoenix and Las Vegas – were cut off from the river’s water supply, three people familiar with the talks told CNN.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Just remember California didn’t build any new reservoirs for decades and allowed 90% of the recent rainfall to flow into the ocean.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      If California wants to see the rest of the basin states declare the Compact to be null and void, I heartily encourage them to keep acting as if they own the river.

    3. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Since when did the Colorado start flowing uphill?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Water always flows towards money.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Seems like CA is certainly going to test the theory.

  46. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    you pick your poison. A busybody red state that enforces parental controls on kids even if you dont like it, or a communist dictatorship.

  47. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    EU rebuffs Ukraine.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-rapid-eu-membership-hopes-eu-summit-no-promises/

    Brussels is expected to pour cold water on Ukraine’s hopes that it could swiftly join the EU during a two-day summit in Kyiv, according to a draft statement set to be issued at the event and seen by POLITICO.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      A brief sane moment by EU leaders but I wont hold my breath. These fools will find the way to do the stupidest thing imaginable including bringing in UKR

  48. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    We're headed for a wave of pricey and pointless new stadium subsidies

    About 10 years ago the city of Santa Clara, a city of about 120K people, voted to sell bonds and give the proceeds of 900M to the 49ers to subsidize their new stadium.

    Fucking idiots.

  49. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

    From the Daily Fail:

    The State University of New York will now require all new students to take a course focused on 'Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Social Justice' (DEISJ) to graduate.
    Members of the SUNY Board of Trustees called for the new DEISJ course for all freshmen in the 64-campus college system starting in the fall of 2023.
    While the course is touted by the college as a means to promote diversity and equity, some SUNY professors have slammed it as pandering to woke ideology.

    Generally speaking, this isn't new because colleges have required students to take a "diversity"-related class to graduate for at least 30 years, if not longer.

    The main reason for this is because the schools know that these classes would never attract enough students to justify the expense of keeping these neo-marxist departments active, so they force the students to keep them afloat by making them take a course to graduate (to be fair, a lot of college departments would dry up and blow away if students didn't need to take a bunch of shit that wasn't necessary to their major).

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      I like the model set by Colorado School of Mines, where my son got undergrad degrees. Departments, teaching, and research is 90% STEM, with one department to cover English, art, and other humanities topics.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        There the liberals arts mostly mine their own business.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Ore else.

          1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

            Otherwise, they get the shaft

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Wow! They are Golden!

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            "Fucking golden"
            - Rod Blagojevich

        3. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

          That school rocks.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Sure, but Mines is a deliberately specialized university and has been since its inception. Most of the colleges are still crippled by the liberal arts mindset that you need to show proficiency in several subjects, as opposed to being just really good at one. They also don't want to lost out on all the money they make from tuition costs of these extraneous courses, even though more kids would be motivated to go to college if they thought they could get a BA or BS in half the time it takes to accomplish that now.

  50. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    the more states start considering and passing their own rules, the more likely that tech companies are to jump on board with national regulations as a lesser evil.

    And of course, the Big Tech companies will "help" write the laws and regulations so as to ensure that the regulations become just another barrier to entry for any would be competitors. I think I've seen this movie several times already.

  51. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    As Buttplug used Sam's Club closings as an indicator of the economy, here's Bed Bath & Beyond closings.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/business/bed-bath-beyond-closures-list/index.html

    The closing stores are in addition to the 150 closures Bed Bath and Beyond announced last August. Included in the new list is 5 buybuy Baby locations and all 49 remaining Harmon Face Value stores, which once sold cosmetics.

  52. Kristian H.   2 years ago (edited)

    Groomers: Don’t tell you parents.

    Big Tech: We won’t tell your parents.

    Schools: We won’t tell your parents.

    Reason: People should be able to talk to your minor children without parents knowing because their liberty (begs the question: whose? The groomers or the kids) is soooo important.

    —

    If reason thinks minors should be able to get abortions without parental involvement, to get sex changes without parental involvement, to have conversations with remote people without parental involvement, take drugs without parental involvement, do sex work without parental involvement, then frankly, Reason is irrational and shouldn’t be part of the public discourse.

    Now, if they think parents should be involved, how does letting third parties keep info from the parents jibe with that? Isn’t part of the compact, you interact with the child means you interact with the parent?

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Isn’t part of the compact, you interact with the child means you interact with the parent?

      Libertine, not libertarian (and really getting to be a sort of authoritarian child predator). Fuck with the kid all you want specifically because the parent is just their checkbook.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      See my comment above. Reason seems to be staking out the position that children must have all the rights of adults, but not responsibilities. And that parents have no special legal or moral claim to authority.

    3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      I happen to agree with you that public schools should be discussing these matters with parents, … BUT it’s not a matter of rationality or irrationality. It’s a necessarily subjective value judgement as to what age a teenager should start to gain freedom and privacy from their parents. There’s no purely rational argument that is going to getting you to “the magic number is 18!”

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        It’s a necessarily subjective value judgement as to what age a teenager should start to gain freedom and privacy from their parents.

        Until they reach the age of majority, though, that judgment rests with the parent.

        Any age selected as the age of majority is going to be arbitrary, and simultaneously over-inclusive and under-inclusive in terms of actual preparedness for participation in society as an adult, but the only alternative is this quasi-adulthood bullshit that the left and some on the right are peddling, where you get X, Y, and Z rights at 18, A, B, and C at 21, and everything else at 25 or whatever.

        1. Bmk149   2 years ago

          While age limits are inherently arbitrary, unfortunately they is no other efficient and cost effective method for determining maturity. If the government is going to be involved either way though I'd think there should be a way for those under the age of majority to apply and gain all the same rights and responsibilities as those who have reached the age of majority (drinking, smoking, consent/contracts). The same should apply to adults who constantly fuck up/can't take care of themselves and should lose those rights and responsibilities.

  53. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

    Another blurb by ENB on sex workers...must be a day ending in the letter 'y'. ENB, please learn the difference between libertine and libertarian. Ugh!

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      And weighing in on some state bills which might make use of twitter more difficult for kids!
      Twitter files? What? I can't HEAR you!

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      ENB box of article topics:

      A) Sex workers
      B) Abortion
      C) Food trucks
      D) Boaf sidez Biden
      E) Equal pay for unequal work
      F) Open borders
      G) Mildly taxed weed
      H) Ass sex
      I) Drag queens

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        A few more, and we could start ENB bingo.

  54. Sevo   2 years ago

    Gonna run on his pork-barrel record!

    "Biden visits NYC to tout $292M grant for tunnel under Hudson River"
    [...]
    "NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden on Tuesday showcased a $292 million mega grant that will be used to help build a new rail tunnel beneath the Hudson River between New York and New Jersey, part of a broader effort to draw a contrast between his economic vision and that of Republicans..."
    https://pix11.com/news/local-news/biden-visiting-nyc-to-highlight-292m-grant-tunnel-under-hudson/

  55. WoodChipperBob   2 years ago

    If these bills pass and anybody needs a non-Utah address for themselves or their kids, let me know and I'll help you out.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Are you gonna let the kids sleep at your place, too?

      1. Ska   2 years ago

        Do you like gladiator movies, Tommy?

  56. Minadin   2 years ago

    Washington Post Headline:

    'The GOP base is still resentful over COVID response.'

    https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1620803097655394304

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      ... and also most other sane people. She left that part out.

      It's gonna be a De Santis bloodbath and they all know it. They are panicking early, trying any way they can to paint him as "worse than hitler" and also, his followers are "even more deplorabler than the last basket of deplorables"

  57. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    As a libertarian i support putting heroin vending machines at the 7-11 across the street from elementary schools, protected and armed by cross-dresser security guards with 100 round mags in their AK-47s.

    So, yeah, controlling social media this way .. i'm against it.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      cross-dresser security guards

      Undies on the left, socks on the right? Gross!

  58. AmberHarris   2 years ago (edited)

    I’ve made $84,000 so far this year working online and I’m a full time student. I’m using an online business opportunity I heard about and I’ve made such great money. It’s really user friendly and I’m just so happy that I found out about it. The potential with this is endless.

    Here’s what I do………………>>> http://www.jobsrevenue.com

  59. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Came across this series on Twitter via Michael Shellenberger. Part I:

    https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php

    Before the 2016 election, most Americans trusted the traditional media and the trend was positive, according to the Edelman Trust Barometer. The phrase “fake news” was limited to a few reporters and a newly organized social media watchdog. The idea that the media were “enemies of the American people” was voiced only once, just before the election on an obscure podcast, and not by Trump, according to a Nexis search.

  60. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Part II:

    https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-2.php

    Before Comey’s testimony, Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat, read an opening statement in which he quoted from the dossier’s unsubstantiated allegation about Carter Page meeting with a sanctioned Russian official close to Putin in 2016 to discuss an extraordinarily lucrative business deal in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. The California Democrat would go on MSNBC two days later to state that there was “more than circumstantial evidence now” of collusion. He offered no substantiation. Schiff declined to comment through his press aide, Lauren French, who said, in an email, “this isn’t something we’re going to move forward on.”

  61. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Part III:

    https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-3.php

    By late October, the Republican-led House Intelligence Committee had obtained banking records showing Fusion’s client for the dossier was Marc Elias, the lawyer for the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

  62. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Part IV:

    https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-4.php

    My main conclusion is that journalism’s primary missions, informing the public and holding powerful interests accountable, have been undermined by the erosion of journalistic norms and the media’s own lack of transparency about its work. This combination adds to people’s distrust about the media and exacerbates frayed political and social differences.

  63. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Editor's Note:

    https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-ed-note.php

    No narrative did more to shape Trump’s relations with the press than Russiagate. The story, which included the Steele dossier and the Mueller report among other totemic moments, resulted in Pulitzer Prizes as well as embarrassing retractions and damaged careers. For Trump, the press’s pursuit of the Russia story convinced him that any sort of normal relationship with the press was impossible.

  64. Barfman9000   2 years ago

    Why the fuck does ENB consistently link to stories behind paywalls?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      She thinks that just because she pays for the NYT, we all should too.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      My guess is she has been subscribed to all these paywalls for a long time and forgets they are there.

  65. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

    So, let me see if I understand Reason's position here. It's an outrage to suggest that parents should be able to access their minor children's social media interactions; those interactions, including those with adults should be strictly shielded from Mom and Dad's prying eyes. But, nobody should ever suggest that Reason supports grooming.

  66. Kristian H.   2 years ago (edited)

    .gov to businesses : you must provide access to the parents of minors, aka, the people WE will hold criminally and civilally accountable, information the minor (meaning unable to legally consent to a whole host of actions) they are SHARING (which, under 3rd party doctrine, isn’t really privileged and WE .gov can scarf up)

    Reason: BEGIN PEARL CLUTCHING!!!!! The .gov isn’t taking the info and giving it to the parents, it is making the businesses do it!

  67. Fats of Fury   2 years ago (edited)
  68. Jack Clutch   2 years ago

    I consider myself fairly libertarian-leaning, but I am 100% for bills that create and protect parental involvement on social media sites. The idea that children (and, yes, even 16 year olds are children) should have the same rights as adults is frankly a little absurd and would seem to me only to come from someone who is overtly political or, more likely, doesn't have kids.

    While I can agree that some parts of the bill are troubling and could use modification, overall allowing parents to opt-in to the amount of social media use by their children seems like a good idea to me. And to the people saying 'that's called parenting' - while I don't disagree with you in theory, in practice it's way more than that.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Everyone's libertarian until there oughtta be a law

      1. Bmk149   2 years ago (edited)

        True. Seems like half the commentators on this site believe that if you think minors should have individual freedom and liberty rights from the government you must be a pedo or pedo enabler. Parents don’t need the state to be a surrogate nanny to protect their kids from doing things they don’t want them to. If a child disobeys there parent and makes a facebook or other social media account they don’t want them to, they can force them to delete it or punish them. No need for the government to get involved in de facto parenting for what they (the state) believe each parent wants or doesn't for their children.

  69. MadisonMcdaniel   2 years ago (edited)

    I am making a good salary from home $6580-$7065/week , which is amazing under a year ago I was jobless in a horrible economy. I thank God every day I was blessed with these instructions and now it’s my duty to pay it forward and share it with Everyone,
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