Some Arizona Republicans Are Refusing To Certify an Election. Is Congress Paying Attention?
What's happening right now in Cochise County, Arizona, should make the passage of the Electoral Count Reform Act even more urgent.

Republican officials in one Arizona county are trying to defy state law by refusing to certify the results of last month's election.
More than 2,500 miles away, Congress should take notice.
What's happening right now in Cochise County, a deep red corner of Arizona, is highly unlikely to affect the outcome of any races in last month's midterms—but it ought to serve as a warning in advance of the 2024 presidential election, when the stakes could be higher. The two Republican members of the three-person county board charged with certifying election results have voted not to do so until an investigation into voting machines used in the county can be completed. But the Arizona Department of State has already provided documentation showing that the machines were legitimate, according to Reuters.
Under Arizona law, counties had until November 28 to certify election results. The state will certify those results on December 5. Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, a Democrat who is also the state's governor-elect, has filed a lawsuit seeking an order to force the county to certify its vote totals.
The fact that Donald Trump wasn't on the ballot in Arizona—or anywhere else this year—suggests that while he may have mainstreamed election denialism, it has now metastasized into a broader part of the conservative movement. Defeated Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake has stoked flames—in a video posted online this week, she decried the "most dishonest elections in the history of Arizona" and encouraged Republican officials not to certify results—and some national conservative media personalities including Charlie Kirk have joined the chorus.
Indeed, a recent Morning Consult poll found that just 52 percent of Republicans believed the midterm elections were "definitely" or "probably" free and fair—and that's the highest percentage the group has found in recent surveys about registered Republicans' opinions of elections. Election denialism may not be a dominant position within the GOP, but it is clearly a sizable faction—and a large enough one to cause chaos in 2024 or beyond.
Accordingly, federal lawmakers ought not to assume that this fever will break merely because Trump is defeated or if his political stardom fades.
That's all the more reason for Congress to move swiftly to pass the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022, which is easily the most important and straightforward way to prevent these localized Republican shenanigans from affecting the 2024 presidential election. The bill, which has bipartisan support, would address the procedural mechanisms that Trump and his allies sought to exploit to overturn the 2020 election and would head off future attempts by state lawmakers and governors to refuse to certify the results of a presidential election. The bill would set a hard deadline (six days before the Electoral College meets) for states to certify their results. If state or local officials try to do what Cochise County Republicans are currently doing, the bill would allow for the creation of an expedited review process to be conducted by a panel of three federal judges, who would then certify results to the Electoral College and Congress. And Congress would be obligated to accept those results.
In short, the bill clarifies several grey areas that exist in the current vote-counting process and would provide judges a clearer path for adjudicating the sort of disputes that might arise in the wake of a closely contested election. No one wants to see judges deciding the outcome of a presidential race, so the Electoral Count Reform Act not only limits what state and local officials can do but also provides less wiggle room for federal judges to interpret election law after the fact.
Additionally, it would clarify that the vice president does not have the power to unilaterally reject the Electoral College results—an important clarification, since Trump pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to do exactly that in January 2021.
The bill is "the first bipartisan acknowledgment that election subversion is a real threat," writes Michael Waldman, president and CEO of the Brennan Center, a pro-democracy think tank based at New York University. "Let's heed what Ronald Reagan told us in 1981 about the peaceful transfer of power: 'Freedom is a fragile thing, and it's never more than one generation away from extinction.'"
This is the ultimate low-hanging fruit for lawmakers concerned about securing the future of American democracy. But Congress has been slow to act. With Republicans set to take over the majority in the House of Representatives in January, the post-midterm lame-duck session might be the best chance for the bill to pass before 2024.
Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.), a key swing vote in the Senate and supporter of the Electoral Count Reform Act, said this week that the bill was "ready" to go. "We all know it needs to be done now while we have the votes and support to do it," he said, according to Roll Call.
Sen. Susan Collins (R–Maine) echoed that sentiment, telling Roll Call that it was "imperative" that Congress pass the reforms "before we get into the next presidential election cycle."
This is not just the usual congressional bluster that accompanies the attempted passage of every bill. What's happening in Arizona right now should be viewed as a trial balloon for how Republican officials might try to screw with vote counting in the next election.
There's no law that will prevent that sort of thing from happening—democracy depends, ultimately, on people in positions of power being willing to do the right thing even when it might not benefit their "team"—but to miss a chance to safeguard the presidential election from such obvious subterfuge would be an inexcusable mistake.
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Could it be the thousands of people that had their ballots spoilt and were not allowed to vote?
How can it possibly be moral, legal, or ethical, to force people to certify unfree and unfair elections?
I get it, it would be an abuse of power to refuse to certify an election that was won by 20 points. But when things are close, and there's obvious problems, the right thing to do is to re-run the election.
Don't certify.
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"certify unfree and unfair elections"
No one has ever done that in the history of the United States.
When you have an election, at some point the results have to be certified. Unless there is evidence that there was fraud or other irregularities (actual irregularities, not the nitpicky nonsense about ballot drop boxes and mail-in voting rules), why shouldn't an election be certified?
Or 1/3 of your tabulating machines in Republican districts crapping out and making it impossible for tens of thousands of people to vote on election day while mail-in ballots are still being counted a month later. Little nitpicky shit like that. I mean for christ's sake, it's not like in 2016 when the Russians hacked voting machines and stole the election from Hillary Clinton. MoveOn, amirite shreek?
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Yeah, that didn't happen.
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The fuck it didn't.
1/3? You believe that, too. Damn you are a credulous rube.
Instead of bashing those legitimately questioning the results, perhaps you can provide a rationale explanation regarding why so many voting machines in Republican-majority districts malfunctioned on Election Day, despite supposedly being “thoroughly tested” by Democrat-controlled election officials prior to the election.
"But when things are close ... the right thing to do is to re-run the election."
Just when I thought election denialism couldn't get any dumber. Re-run the election? WTF?
Hey shreek, tell us again about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines and steal the election from Hillary Clinton in 2016. What was your proposed remedy for that one again?
I have never said anything like that. Actually, no one sane has ever claimed that.
Yes, actually you have, shreek. Quite literally weekly, at a bare minimum, since 2016. Then again you also posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography and are a lying piece of shit, so obviously no one expected anything better of you.
Yeah, if someone said that, it wasn't me. For the record, the Mueller Report proved no such thing.
Actually, I seem to recall that the green party raised that very alligation in lawsuits he filed in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. They claimed that the Russians have hacked into voting machines in those states and had changed Clinton votes to Trump votes.
Damn. That is grade A stupidity. Hopefully they were laughed out of court.
Could it be the thousands of people that had their ballots spoilt and were not allowed to vote?
How many people?
Exactly enough to keep Lake and Masters out of office, that's how many.
Boehm is an actual enemy combatant, and an imminent threat to your life and property.
Boehm knows he's lying. He's knowingly being evil.
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer READS MINDS PERFECTLY, mind you-all, stupid peons!!! BOW LOW and OBEY, if'n ye know what's good for ye! Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer knows who's been naughty, and who's been nice!
Most people are a bare minimum 2 standard deviations above you in IQ, sarcasmic. They don't need any supernatural mind-reading abilities to comprehend written text. That's a you problem.
"Boehm knows he’s lying. He’s knowingly being evil."
HOW does Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer KNOW this? WHERE do I buy WHAT model of tinfoil hat, to follow in the All-Knowing and Deeply Blessed Footsluts of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, and of MachSpeed SlutMaker the Slutterly MagnifiCunt?
(I just want to FOLLOW!!! Tell me HOW shall I do it?)
Because he is proficient in reading the English language and read the words that Boehm typed onto this blog, sarcasmic. For people who aren't mentally disabled like yourself, that requires no special wizardry.
"...mentally disabled..."?
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, yes!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=During%20the%20leadership%20of%20General,that%20contradicted%20the%20official%20dogma.
You don't oppose totalitarianism, it's your mother's milk.
Constantly and without fail I've seen you run cover for government censorship, show trials and summary arrests without trial. You're the opposite of libertarian.
Did the grey box of shit odor say it’s against totalitarianism? That’s ripe!
R Talking Smack is PROUD of muting its conscience, and thinks that "Karma" will NEVER bite it in the behind!
Boehm touting the "first entirely made up ballot count wins" as the standard for good governance. So if there are issues with the election you just certify whatever the result is, then why bother with certification. JFC at least pretend you're not a marxist POS demanding one party rule.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Boehm would be singing a different tone if this affected his progressive comrades.
Why bother with the election either.
We're getting there as quickly as we can!
"So if there are issues with the election"
There weren't any verified issues, beyond a typical election, in 2020. There were a lot of unfounded and unsupported accusations, but when the time came for evidence, there was none.
"you just certify whatever the result is"
Yes. In the absence of any factually-supported fraud, that's exactly what should happen. And "I don't believe it was fair" isn't supported by facts.
When did "the time come for evidence", you lying shill.
The judges refused to even hear the evidence let alone review anything.
Nelson clearly equates "The Plaintiffs have no standing" with "The Plaintiffs have no evidence."
Well, since both of those things have happened to election deniers, I don't have to choose. None of their cases have ever prevailed except one process claim. Everything else got laughed out of court. Deservedly so.
There has never been any evidence presented when it was asked for. Because there isn't any evidence of widespread voter fraud. Because it didn't happen, as anyone with a speck of sanity (and self-respect) knows.
Tell us again about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines in 2016 and steal the election from Hillary Clinton, shreek.
It didn't
Nothing got laughed out of court, Shrike.
What part of refusing to even hear the case do you not understand? ...well, actually you probably understand just fine, but you're paid to spin and lie.
What part of "not all of the cases were thrown out due to standing" do you not understand? Every one that went further, except for the one process suit that they won, fell apart because the plaintiffs lacked evidence, not standing.
Did a single one get to the "discovery" stage, where the election officials and the voting machine technicians had to show that things were done properly?
Never.
I see. You demand a new standard for "frivolous lawsuit", just so the Dream Team can "release the Kraken" in federal court.
Fuck off, idiot.
This is false.
The only way this statement holds true is if you're counting the people who denied the results of the 2000 election. Are you?
"The judges refused to even hear the evidence"
In order to hear and review evidence, it has to first be presented. That part keeps failing to happen.
"You don't have standing to present your evidence." kind of prevents evidence from being presented, shreek. Your tautologies were already shoved up your ass, just leave them there.
Wait, you think none of the cases went forward and asked for evidence? You are more deluded than I thought.
When asked for evidence, the plantiffs said, "We've got lots. So much. A huge amount of totally real and true evidence.". They just couldn't find any of it. I guess they think we should just take their word for it.
Feel free to link to the discovery in those cases, shreek. Should be quite easy, right? I guess first you'll have to spend some time on Wikipedia figuring out what "discovery" means in a legal context, but once you get that taken care of, feel free to mine Democratic Underground for some links. I believe in you!
Hey shrike, how many cases that went to trial do you think conservatives lost. My guess is zero despite the initial batch having quite a few then another near dozen trials showing illegal election changes were made.
Do you admit to this or no?
If he did he'd get fired. He's not paid fifty-cents to tell the truth.
I believe the total was 62. Here's a nice, succinct list for you. Enjoy!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
So how many cases were won and how many since over illegal election changes?
Was the answer zero? Because if even one won then you have to admit to merit in some claims.
Also wiki is a laughable source. Do you want the real number?
Hey, fuck it. If they have to certify, just declare whoever the fuck they want the winner.
"We looked at the votes, and then we threw them away and we're declaring Bob the Republican the winner."
I bet the Ds would get really pissed off over that.
So, if they feel the vote is not legitimate --- just go along and sign on the line for it?
THAT is the best option?
"The bill would set a hard deadline (six days before the Electoral College meets) for states to certify their results. If state or local officials try to do what Cochise County Republicans are currently doing, the bill would allow for the creation of an expedited review process to be conducted by a panel of three federal judges, who would then certify results to the Electoral College and Congress. And Congress would be obligated to accept those results."
Everyone loved it the last time a judge settled an election!
Basically, sign off on the election or we'll get a Federal judge to rubberstamp it.
Not possible. The judiciary is completely independent and non-political.
I understand Judge Cannon is suddenly less encumbered with Trump lawsuits to deal with. Maybe she'll get the nod?
"So, if they feel the vote is not legitimate"
The rule of law doesn't care about your feelings. Or your opinion. Or your willingness to believe insane things. The law cares about evidence. If you have evidence, you have a legal case. If you don't, you don't.
The "stolen election" folks have no evidence.
"THAT is the best option?"
Yes. If there isn't any actual evidence that what you think happened actually happened, that is the only option.
Were you witness to the election in AZ? No? I was and it was a complete shit-show. Not to mention Hobbs was violating AZ state law by running to begin with. So shut your fucking pie-hole you piece of shit.
"Hobbs was violating AZ state law by running to begin with"
Of course she was. And no one noticed until it was too late? No one filed a lawsuit? No one did anything?
Oh, sure. It was totally illegal for her to run. *eyeroll*
I get that the candidate you voted for lost. It happens. Get over it.
It's perfectly OK to simply remain silent when you don't comprehend the topic under discussion, shreek.
Tell us again about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines in 2016 and steal the election from Hillary Clinton, shreek.
"It’s perfectly OK to simply remain silent when you don’t comprehend the topic under discussion, shreek."
That is referred to as a "non-responsive response". It's a clear indication of a complete lack of a substantive response.
"Tell us again about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines in 2016 and steal the election from Hillary Clinton, shreek."
Why do you idiots keep making this insane claim? No one believes that.
Perhaps if you had posted anything substantive to which I could respond, I would have. Pretending that there were no challenges or controversies ahead of time to the secretary of state conducting her own coronation doesn't call for any response except for laughing at your expense.
If you don't believe it then you probably shouldn't have spent 5 and a half years claiming it on a weekly basis, shreek. You also probably shouldn't have posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography and gotten your Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned. You also probably shouldn't have welched on your bet and your mortgage. You do a lot of insane, regrettable things.
"Perhaps if you had posted anything substantive to which I could respond, I would have."
Here you go. This was in reference to the claim that Hobbs was violating AZ law by running for governor:
Of course she was. And no one noticed until it was too late? No one filed a lawsuit? No one did anything?
Your response was lacking in both substance and relevance. Would you like to try again?
If it is against AZ law for Hobbs to run, why was she allowed to? Was her candidacy challenged? If not, why not, if the law is against her?
Thank you for verifying that you're a lying piece of shit.
You can have all the evidence in the world and it won't mean jack if the judge decides you have no standing. Which is what happened in many cases.
Well, that and the fact that every time a case went forward, evidence was completely absent. There has literally never been any legally valid evidence of widespread fraud (or unfairness or infringement on freedom) in any of the cases. It is literally a groundless belief.
Nice to see "widespread" back in that sentence and earning his money, kiddie fucker.
No one has ever claimed that typical (usually unintentional) voter fraud didn’t occur. There were roughly 10,000 cases nationally, the majority being people who thought they were eligible to vote but weren’t (you know, like most of the 27 people Ron DeSantis caught with his multimillion dollar voter fraud police unit). That isn’t remarkable, nor was it relevant to the outcone. It’s consistent with past elections.
In order for the election to have been stolen, there would have had to have been hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes in multiple states. That would be why the word”widespread” is used.
“No one has ever claimed that typical (usually unintentional) voter fraud didn’t occur.”
So I hallucinated the hundreds of times I heard “cleanest election ever”? FFS I even heard some asshole on my local sports talk radio station repeat the claim.
Not sure if you’re actually shrike or not. Don’t care. When you lie like this you’re the same to me.
This is the statement in full:
“JOINT STATEMENT FROM ELECTIONS INFRASTRUCTURE GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COUNCIL & THE ELECTION INFRASTRUCTURE SECTOR COORDINATING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES
Original release date: November 12, 2020
WASHINGTON – The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement:
“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.
“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.
“Other security measures like pre-election testing, state certification of voting equipment, and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s (EAC) certification of voting equipment help to build additional confidence in the voting systems used in 2020.
“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”
CISA was then headed by Chris Krebs, who Trump then fired (by Tweet).
See also: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol
UR so FOS ignorant...
JUST the person count on the last presidential election tallied 10,000 vote difference.
If it's done so carefully how the F did 10,000 votes get missed?
Tell us again about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines in 2016 and steal the election from Hillary Clinton, shreek.
I've never made any such claim. Actually, no one has.
But what does that have to do with anything being discussed here?
Actually you made that claim thousands of times over a 5 and a half year period, shreek. So did Hillary Clinton. On TV. And in a fucking book. Published. Little black letters on white paper and everything. It's pertinent to the discussion because it demonstrates you being a liar and hypocrite. Which isn't all that bad in comparison to being a child pornographer.
I've only been here for abput two years. So I definitely never made a ridiculous claim like that. It's as batshit crazy a claim as your "stolen election" mantra.
If you need more specificity: no, the Russians didn't hack voting machines in 2016. No, Hillary votes wrren't switched to Trump votes. No, Hillary didn't win. No, the Mueller Report didn't prove (or even claim) any of those things.
Hillary lost to Trump because she was a deeply flawed, unlikable candidate.
Do you disagree?
Ye cannae win. Ye're who they say y'are, and dat's dat.
“Yes. If there isn’t any actual evidence that what you think happened actually happened, that is the only option”
But the Board is being ordered to certify the results before any evidence, one way or the other, is even collected.
You’d think an actual libertarian would be happy if NO elections were certified.
Or, that election integrity and transparency were at the forefront. Instead, we have massive issues with our election in AZ but Boehm doesn't care because his progressive comrade won. The real villains here are those seeking justice.
"we have massive issues with our election in AZ"
No you don't. You're just butthurt because your candidate lost. You had a small problem that impacted very few people and that didn't cause any verified "lost votes", no matter how much the losers whine about it.
Bring actual evidence, not your feelings and whisper-down-the-lane "evidence".
Were you witness to the election in AZ? No? I was and it was a complete shit-show. Not to mention Hobbs was violating AZ state law by running to begin with. So shut your fucking pie-hole you piece of shit.
Which AZ state law? Google cannot seem to find any references to this "illegal" candidacy argument.
Now do Stacey Abrams.
Stacy Abrams just had a campaign (that she lost). Did she make any campaign speeches about the last election she was in? Any ads? Any mention in her platform? Anything?
Lol, seriously shreek, punch out for the night.
1/3 of tabulating machines breaking down the morning of election day in almost exclusively Republican districts causing 8+ hour delays until after polls closed with no extended voting hours, no ability to cast a vote at another precinct due to the digital check-in/check-out system not checking voters out of the disabled voting stations, and no ability to cast a provisional ballot because all of the "door 3" bins were overflowing onto the floor was just a happy coincidence. MoveOn, right shreek?
The no extended voting hours was a big hint that “counting every vote is the most important thing”. is complete horseshit.
1/3 of the machines did not break down. There weren't 8+ hour delays. There were provisional ballots cast, so that's a crock of shit, too. You are believing anything that you hear from other election denying idiots.
Come back when you have actual, factual data about what happened, how many were effected, how many claims of lost votes were made (and how many were confirmed). That's called evidence.
Until then you are just spouting nonsense and showing that you're a credulous rube who will believe anything anyone tells you as long as it prevents you from having to accept that your candidate lost.
Everything you just stated is basically wrong.
It's shreek. It would be more surprising if he ever stated anything that was actually true, even by accident.
I read the article in that well-known liberal rag, The National Review. Apparently they don't share your hyperbolic concern or your overstated claims about its impact on tbe outcome.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/maricopa-county-says-tabulator-issues-did-not-disenfranchise-midterm-voters/
Why aren't you using local. Easy reports. NR has the same slant in election deniers as reason, it is a way to attack trump tied candidates. Using them is meaningless. Try looking for the actual information from local sources like an intelligent person would.
"Local", like The Federalist?
The last 10 years in Arizona have been a disaster, mostly under democrat or atatist regime conduct of elections. This isn't even a controversial statement in Arizona.
Is your whole MO based around ignorance?
Leaving us with what... He who has the most hired guns, wins power?
SOME libertarians are smart enough to NOT support anarchy!
The federal government has plenty of hired guns.
And they get what they want.
Butt... Critical distinction here... Der BidenFuhrer is POTUS because he garnered many-many votes, NOT because he hired a bunch of gunslingers!
Quite right, it was the paperslingers fabricating ballots in key swing states with a billion dollars in Zuckbucks that got Biden elected. The hired gunslingers who had to face loyalty tests to become part of the praetorian guard are what keep him that way.
What about the Amphibian People?
https://reason.com/video/2020/12/21/how-immigrants-make-america-great-again-and-again-and-again/#comments
What we have seen in very recent history, is that Trumpistas have been adamantly opposed to immigrant Lizard People, who use Mind-Control beams to make voters against Trump. They have, however, welcomed with open arms (and open legs), the Amphibian People, who use Mind-Control beams to make voters vote FOR Trump.
Now that Biden has replaced Trump, we have a simple inversion… Immigrant intergalactic Lizard people now GOOD! Immigrant intergalactic Amphibian People now BAD!
Before we get a flurry of posts here from xenophobic Trumpistas slamming even the idea of pro-“R”-party Amphibian People immigration… “R” fanatics saying that ALL immigration is UTTERLY EVIL… Let me point out to you, that the Amphibian People ARE indeed “benevolent”, per the “R”-Party yardstick (“R” good, all other parties BAD!).
Let me give you a VERY prominent Amphibian Person with the CORRECT thoughts and attitudes! I give you Pepe the Amphibian Person, stolen-IP-4Chan-Frog! Racist frog, NAZI frog, yaya-yada!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
https://reason.com/video/2020/12/21/how-immigrants-make-america-great-again-and-again-and-again/#comments
What we have seen in very recent history, is that Trumpistas have been adamantly opposed to immigrant Lizard People, who use Mind-Control beams to make voters against Trump. They have, however, welcomed with open arms (and open legs), the Amphibian People, who use Mind-Control beams to make voters vote FOR Trump.
Now that Biden has replaced Trump, we have a simple inversion… Immigrant intergalactic Lizard people now GOOD! Immigrant intergalactic Amphibian People now BAD!
Before we get a flurry of posts here from xenophobic Trumpistas slamming even the idea of pro-“R”-party Amphibian People immigration… “R” fanatics saying that ALL immigration is UTTERLY EVIL… Let me point out to you, that the Amphibian People ARE indeed “benevolent”, per the “R”-Party yardstick (“R” good, all other parties BAD!).
Let me give you a VERY prominent Amphibian Person with the CORRECT thoughts and attitudes! I give you Pepe the Amphibian Person, stolen-IP-4Chan-Frog! Racist frog, NAZI frog, yaya-yada!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
Damn sarcasmic, that copypasta was 5 years out of date when you created it 2 years ago, and you were actually proud enough of it to post it twice, 5 minutes apart? I know you take a lot of your comedic inspiration from Jon Stewart, who has been doing the same shtick for 25 years now, but have you ever thought of writing some new material?
Truth is truth, no matter HOW old it is!
Mission accomplished! I’ve now shown yet AGAIN that the hordes of small-minded “conservatives” here on these comment pages are intellectually, morally, and spiritually bankrupt! For lack of ANY factual or logical and benevolent-minded response, they variously resort to endlessly repeated lies, grade-school-level vapid insults, and even stoop so low as to encourage the smarter and more benevolent posters to commit suicide! They are indeed vapid and vile vipers!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
Now do the part where you support having no borders you retarded fucking alcoholic child molester.
I not only support borders, I support deporting illegal immigrants. The system is broken, but if someone comes here illegally they should be removed and anyone who employs them should be fined and jailed.
Try to follow the threading, shreek.
Also, I am curious where the Feds have the authority to demand a state run its gubenatorial elections in a way to their preference.
It's in the same part of the constitution that authorized the state courts in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to arbitrarily change election law without the input of the legislature.
"Also, I am curious where the Feds have the authority to demand a state run its gubenatorial elections in a way to their preference."
Well, it is a federal law dealing with the Presidential election (which is a federal election), so no one is claiming such authority or making such demands.
Which makes it curious why your boy Boehm thinks the Arizona gubernatorial election necessitates the passage of the Electoral Count Reform Act, shreek.
Try reading the article. It's a subtle point Boehm's making, so maybe read it twice?
Boehm, you're pathetic. The election issues in AZ are clearly documented and overwhelming. But let's ignore them and elect the progressives that cheated. Oh, and let's get MORE federal involvement at the state level. That'll fix it.
At least you're far left progressive feelings are coming through honestly. No need to pretend you're an actual libertarian or that you believe in election integrity.
"The election issues in AZ are clearly documented and overwhelming."
English clearly isn't your first language, since you don't seem to understand what "documented" or "overwhelming" means.
Were you witness to the election in AZ? No? I was and it was a complete shit-show. Not to mention Hobbs was violating AZ state law by running to begin with. So shut your fucking pie-hole you piece of shit.
"Documented" means "contained within documents" like the thousands of local and national news stories you've been presented with thousands of times when you pull your sealioning bullshit, shreek. "Overwhelming" means "overpowering in effect" like the effect of thousands of local and national news stories documenting the comedy of errors that was the Arizona election.
Yes, the legal relevance of news stories and judicial power of their conclusions has been established by so much precedence it is more than super- it is a super-duper-scrumdidilyiscius precedent. Duh.
And since they are totally legally relevant, obviously it is also overwhelming. Doible duh.
I mean, you don't need verified evidence when you can just point to a bunch of articles and say, "See! It's totally true!".
Sarc, this is moving goalposts. Now information isn't correct but only adjudicated proof. But shrike here will be against any and every audit or trial to provide it.
You weren't discussing legal relevance, you were suggesting that someone misunderstood terms that you used incorrectly in an attempt at deflection, shreek. You should know by now that you're incredibly poor at this when you try to go off-script. Just post the lines from the ActBlue PDF and then shuffle off to Buffalo.
Vote certifiers, not voters, will decide Who Shall Rule Us All in the future. And THIS is utterly certifiable!
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"What's happening right now in Cochise County, Arizona, should make the passage of the Electoral Count Reform Act even more urgent."
I can not believe a libertarian is shilling for more centralized government.
Do you think that the local people might have a better idea about what is going on on the ground than someone out of DC?
Do you think AZ can't function without a governor for a few weeks while this is sorted out? Because we fucking can. County and muni governments out here are fairly independent.
Do you think that it might be important to ensure everyone is reasonable satisfied with the veracity of the election and catering to some idiots might be a price worth paying (of course you don't - you don't live here and don't know what is going on here).
Do you think that the AZ DOS isn't full of incompetents that screwed the election up in Maricopa despite having plenty of leadup to prepare? Because they did.
Do you think that an election this close shouldn't go to a runoff in order to eliminate errors at the margin? Because we think it should.
And - it's our fucking state, not yours Boehm. Keep your fucking hands off of us.
Let's be clear, I have no idea what the issues on Cochise are (vice the numerous documented issues in Maricopa) - but I trust them to sort themselves out and am willing to give them some time to do so.
78% of election workers in Maricopa stated they did not have faith in the election.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.
Come back when you have actual evidence, not anecdotal estimates from ignorant people.
Will you support an actual audit or demand all evidence prior to allowing collection of evidence? They already have sworn statements from people who spoiled their ballot, left to vote elsewhere, but showed up as not voting at all because poll workers didn't check them out properly.
They had many voting areas with printer problems.
They had election recorders actively campaigning against candidates.
The problems occurred majority in gop heavy areas.
There is plenty of evidence of mistakes made. Youre just such a partisan moron you refuse to acknowledge it.
"Will you support an actual audit"
Why waste money on an audit if there isn't an indication that it is necessary? Are you suggesting that audits should be performed for every election? That seems excessive. And really, really expensive. It's easy to determine if votes have been lost. That would be the first step in justifying an audit, not the last.
"They already have sworn statements from people who spoiled their ballot, left to vote elsewhere, but showed up as not voting at all because poll workers didn’t check them out properly."
That shouldn't have happened and their votes should be counted. It's also human error. Do you believe that human error must be eliminated or an election isn't valid?
By the way, how many votes were confirmed to be lost? And who were they cast for? And would that change the outcome of the election?
"They had many voting areas with printer problems."
How many? For how long? And were any votes confirmed to have actually been lost? I believe the answers are not many, not long, and not so far.
"They had election recorders actively campaigning against candidates."
Is that allowed? If not, why were they allowed to continue in their position?
"The problems occurred majority in gop heavy areas."
And? You are making another insinuation of wrongdoing that has had no demonstrated impact on the outcome. The only thing that would change the results would be if votes were lost and the net result of those lost votes changed the outcome. Get back to me when that happens.
"There is plenty of evidence of mistakes made."
OK. But mistakes are always made. Welcome to life. Is there any evidence that those mistakes were intentional? Or is that just something you want to insinuate without providing any support?
The real problem I have with this idiocy is that it is confirmation bias on steroids. The slightest error is proof of fraud. The passage of time is somehow proof of fraud. The most reasonable explanation is a "coverup" or a "lie". All of the votes that were "stolen" were for Republicans. No proof required. No rarional basis needed.
There's no reasoned argument like, "In Maricopa County there were X number of voters affected by technical problems. Y number of votes were lost through these errors. Z-1 lost votes were intended for the GOP candidate. Z-2 lost votes were intended for the Dem candidate. Z-Net votes would have gone to the losing candidate, which is more than the margin of victory so the irregularities changed the outcome of the election.". Instead, there's just hyperbole, arguments with no basis (or whose conclusion is irrelevant to who won), and accusations of a widespread conspiracy.
Ah, the old "OK there was fraud (loosely defined) but not enough to change the result" bullshit.
Unless you can quantify every bit of fraud, you can't make that statement.
P.S. Sworn statements are considered to be EVIDENCE, so stop with the claims that there was none.
Why pay to find evidence i demand to be presented with just so you can provide the evidence i demand!
What a retarded statement shrike.
If the law provides for "audits", go for it.
Just don't make shit up, okay boss?
Tell us one more time about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines and steal the election from Hillary Clinton in 2016, shreek.
It didn't. That's crazy talk.
What's crazy is the idea that your party, the LieCheatSteal party, doesn't cheat in elections.
They always have, why would they stop, now?
See, a LIBERTARIAN is not demanding it.
Boehm is.
He is, at most, an accidental libertarian on an issue here and there.
Why would you think any article here was written by a libertarian?
Yeah, it’s the republicans who want to “screw” with vote counting.
You creeps can’t help but project.
Yes, it is Republicans. Because they keep losing when they should win and, instead if realizing their positions aren't appealing to voters, they make unfounded and unsupported accusations of fraud.
These knuckle-dragging shitbrains are not worth your time. Maybe we will all get lucky and AZ will secede.
Even better, all the dysfunctional blue cities would secede and become isolated utopian prison camps, and leave the rest of the country alone.
Lmfao. Did you forget you outed this sock a couple weeks ago, kiddie fucker? Jesus Christ, shreek, it's unseemly enough when you samefag your own posts with socks you haven't already outed.
Bruh, we'd already be out of here. But, despite you whining about how much tax money the feds give the state, *you'll kill anyone who tries to leave*.
Tell us one more time about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines and steal the election from Hillary Clinton in 2016, shreek.
It didn't.
You sound pretty convincing.
"Brennan Center, a pro-democracy think tank"
Love seeing the far left Brennan Center having their history white washed here.
Did you know, Boehm, that the minority leader in the House for the Dems is a consistent election denier? He's done it for 6 or so years.
Republican candidate for governor Kari Lake plans to sue Arizona’s largest county next week to overturn her election loss, sources familiar with the matter tell TIME, as the state’s election system is beset by turmoil more than three weeks after Election Day.
Lake, who lost by less than one percentage point to Democrat Katie Hobbs and has refused to concede, cannot file her lawsuit under Arizona law until state officials certify the election results. That process will take place on Dec. 5, when Arizona’s governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and chief justice will validate the election outcome based on official results submitted by the state’s 15 counties.
https://time.com/6237949/kari-lake-preparing-election-lawsuit/
You lost, bitch.
Same to you Fatass. You lost.
It’s wild, she oversaw the election and somehow won!
Which perfectly explains why all secretaries of state always win their own elections, doesn't it?
4 socks in one thread, shreek?
In different time zones, too.
That's dedication!
And the Maricopa recorder had an anti Lake PAC set up. No conflict there.
Why didn't you just stick with your Nelson sock, kiddie fucker?
By the way, you posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com and got your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned.
You guys and gals keep saying this, yet never provide anything even remotely resembling proof of the substance of the allegation.
I have no idea if it's true, and I struggle to understand why "shreek" would do that here in the first place (no context has ever been provided), but if it is true, he or she should be prosecuted under existing law. That's an easy call.
But I strongly suspect it is not true, given that the very same people making this allegation are viciously tribal and also espouse ridiculous conspiracy theories, demonstrating on a daily basis that they have only a vague familiarity with logical reasoning.
What might be a greater incentive for the Cochise County supervisors is the failure to include their counties votes will turn two Republican seats over to Democrats. Will national Republican stand by and let a House seat go or will they pressure the county?
They did in Alaska, quite happily too.
If that's the case then maybe they have legitimate concerns? Like, they're in danger of losing two House seats over this then maybe they consider it important?
Or they are committed to their delusions of persecution.
Tell us one more time about how the Mueller report conclusively proved that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack voting machines and steal the election from Hillary Clinton in 2016, shreek.
I guess I should have kept scrolling. 5 socks in one thread, shreek? Democratic Underground must have been having a particularly sad REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fest today, huh?
"The two Republican members of the three-person county board charged with certifying election results have voted not to do so until an investigation into voting machines used in the county can be completed. But the Arizona Department of State has already provided documentation showing that the machines were legitimate, according to Reuters."
While I may not, overall, have a serious problem with the proposed federal law, it seems to me that Cochise County is defying the State of Arizona. Shouldn't the State of Arizona be the ones dealing with it? Oh! it seems they are. And I am pretty sure the State of Arizona can get the matter settled quicker than can the Feds.
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1598307223398121472?t=P7K6pZpDkO_jy9EnyT5blQ&s=19
Arizona Governor-elect Hobbs’ office gave ultimatum to county board: Certify her election or face felony rap, memo shows. | Just The News
[Link]
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/arizona-gov-elect-hobbs-threatened-county-board-certify-her-election-or
Arizona state Rep. Jake Hoffman (R-Queen Creek) told Just the News on Thursday, "Katie Hobbs' threats directed at the Mohave County Supervisors is a gross abuse of power and highlight the dangerous conflict of interest that exists in allowing her to manage her own election. Hobbs has made it clear that she is willing to exploit every lever of power for her own personal gain — something that should deeply concern Republicans, Independents, and Democrats alike."
Oh, she's starting off her term as governor not by putting the right foot forward but by putting it in her mouth.
I guess, from her perspective, the only counties that really count are Maricopa and Pima (and, diiiiiiiiistant third, my own Yuma) so she can afford to fuck over everyone else in revenge.
The board said so at the very start. That's real democracy!
"Because the Board has no authority to change or reject the results, the canvass is a purely ministerial act," Lorick wrote.
Clap or go to jail.
How Stalinesque.
Life in the USSA
If that's what the law says, feel free to change the law, eh?
The past is the future... Again!
“Under Der TrumpfenFuher, the “R” party will NOT rest until it is the ONLY party!”
Why is it?
If you need proof of what I say, read https://reason.com/2020/12/20/desperate-to-stop-biden-from-taking-office-trump-suggests-military-intervention-voting-machine-seizures-and-appointing-sidney-powell-to-investigate-her-own-fraud-claims/ Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims
Trump flunkies want to use martial law to hold new elections in swing states that didn’t vote Trump. Use the military to force a do-over where the people didn’t vote for Trump like they were supposed to. Give them a second bite at the apple.
And there will be endless do-overs till these wayward slobs do things the RIGHT way, and vote for Der TrumpfenFuhrer!
Those states who voted for Der TrumpfenFuhrer? Texas, for instance? And now that time has gone by, and millions of Texans have seen yet MORE of the “true stripes” of the Trumptatorshit… And they voted for Trump, but are SOOOO disgusted by now, they want to vote differently by now… Do THEY get a do-over?
Let’s selectively re-play this game till the Trumptatorshit lasts forever!
The ONLY way that states that DID vote for the continuation of the Trumptatorshit, will get a re-vote, to make it all “fair” to people who’ve changed their minds, by now, or who were excluded from voting by “R” machinations or being too busy or sick that day, to vote… The ONLY way that voters in THESE states will get a “second bite at the apple”, is to make up utterly fantastical LIES about the “R” party’s cheating, collusion with Lizard Men, etc.!
If the Lizard Men stole it last time, what will keep them from stealing it the next time around?
What we are CLEARLY evolving towards here, is NOT election wins by the most votes or even electoral college votes, it is “WINNING” by “He who whines and cries and makes up lies, the most”!
WHY, oh WHY might it be, that people who don’t like the history of 1-party states, are afraid to vote “R” any more?
Hey sarcasmic, did you know that Trump has been out of office for 2 years? Just thought I'd break that news to you. I know you've been in a drunken stupor for the last 18 years or so on account of your "cunt" wife and all.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-punts-timeline-for-trump-retaking-power-as-august-conspiracy-theories-get-wackier
MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/22/mike-lindell-still-in-trumps-good-graces-has-new-prediction-reinstatement-by-new-years/
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us as scheduled, but the Second Coming is now re-scheduled. You can TRUST us THIS time, for sure!
The Lord Trump DID return to us faithful ones, but He did it in an invisible way! Hold strong in your Faith in Him!
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, this is true! It only did NOT happen because YOU were not faithful enough, and didn’t send Him enough donations!
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, but He DID miraculously protect us all from the VERY worst forces of Evil, which is Der BidenFuhrer! Hold fast in your Faith… Lord Trump will come back VERY soon now! Especially if you send Him more money!
The Lord Trump moves in Mysterious Ways! All will be revealed SOON! Especially if you have Enough Faith to DONATE till it HURTS!
You can always count on a faux Libertarian site like Reason to call for more, not less Federal intervention especially when the Constitution appears to be working in AZ.
So then... Trumpanzees gone apeshit, chanting "Hang Mike Pence", is your libertarian solution? Is it a "Final Solution" to replace democracy with mobocracy, perhaps?
Hey sarcasmic, did you know that Trump has been out of office for 2 years? Just thought I’d break that news to you. I know you’ve been in a drunken stupor for the last 18 years or so on account of your “cunt” wife and all.
This article is about the election that took place in November of 2022. The one that took place 2 years after Trump peacefully left office without "Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims." I know you and the senile dementia patient you voted for don't know what the current year is, so bookmark this post for the next time you forget.
Hi Tulpa!
“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan / MiceSlut SlutMajor
The only thing I can really comment on in regards to this kerfuffle is the Media's baptizing of the class of human, known as "Election Denier".
Whites, Blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans, Soccer people, football people, dog people, cat people, election deniers.
As someone who's probably old enough to be Boehm's grandfather, I spent my formative journolisming years in the 1970s and 80s and let me tell you, the bread and fucking butter of American journalism was calling into question election results in foreign banana republics and other far-away micro nations, manipulated by unscrupulous US intelligence officials in the CIA and installing puppet regimes in questionable elections.
Now, if you question the results of an election, you are put into a literal hard category called "election denier".
"If you're worried about the dangers of electronic voting, this documentary will blow your mind." - Salon.com
election deniers?
The Voting Machines In The Feature Film 'HACKING DEMOCRACY' Counted America's Votes In The November 2016 Elections.
Election deniers?
Hacking Democracy is a 2006 Emmy nominated documentary film broadcast on HBO and created by producer / directors Russell Michaels and Simon Ardizzone, with producer Robert Carrillo Cohen, and executive producers Sarah Teale, Sian Edwards & Earl Katz. Filmed over three years it documents American citizens investigating anomalies and irregularities with 'e-voting' (electronic voting) systems that occurred during the 2000 and 2004 elections in the United States, especially in Volusia County, Florida.
Election deniers?
Election deniers?
Election deniers?
Long after Washington state and the rest of the country had moved on from the election, Lehto and his brother-in-law, an engineering professor with training in statistics, continued their solo investigation. “Sometimes I only half-jokingly say ‘I was part of John Kerry’s legal army but I never got the order to stand down,’” Lehto told me. They filed Freedom of Information Act requests, asking for the logs from every voting machine in the county. They filed a lawsuit against the county and the voting machine company, which an appellate court eventually tossed out because by then, the election machines had been replaced.
Election deniers?
Yes. If you claim something fraudulent happened and fail to prove that anything frauduent happened, yet still claim something fraudulent happened, you are in denial. If it is an election about which you choose to deny reality, you are an election denier.
So like when you spent 5 and a half years telling us that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to hack election machines in 2016 to steal the election from Hillary Clinton, you were an election denier, shreek?
Heck, Democrats named a very fervent denier as the head of the House delegation.
Above you are against audits that would give the evidence you demand here. Ironic.
If the law provides for "audits", feel free to have 'em.
Does the law provide for "audits"?
" . . . suggests that while he may have mainstreamed election denialism . . . "
Um,
Al Gore 2000
2004 "At the official counting of the electoral votes on January 6, an objection was made under the Electoral Count Act . . . the objection was supported by 31 Democrats."
2008 Allegations arose in Michigan that the Republican Party planned to challenge the eligibility of voters based on lists of foreclosed homes.[128] The campaign of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama filed a lawsuit challenging this. Libertarian candidate Bob Barr filed a lawsuit in Texas to have Obama and McCain removed from the ballot in that state.
2016 On January 6, 2017, a Joint Session of Congress was held to count the Electoral College votes, pursuant to the Electoral Count Act. This count was unusual for the many unsuccessful objections raised by Democratic members of the House of Representatives, alleging voter suppression and foreign interference. In the Electoral College vote on December 19, for the first time since 1808, multiple faithless electors voted against their pledged qualified presidential candidate.[b] Five Democrats rebelled in Washington and Hawaii, while two Republicans rebelled in Texas. On December 6, Colorado Secretary of State Wayne W. Williams castigated Democratic electors who had filed a lawsuit in Federal court to have the state law binding them to the popular vote (in their case for Hillary Clinton) overturned.
Yep, it's just that damn Trump in the last election for sure.
A few whining politicians isn't mainstream. A good portion of Republican voters is.
Is this serious or sarcasm? My detector is broken.
For a brief time he was using "/sarcasm" tags in posts, but I think they made it hard for him to retreat back to “Oh hey guys, I was just goofing around stop being so upset!” so he stopped doing it.
He’s just stupid.
His wife sends him a casserole or something with his daughter for a custody-visit and he bitches about how horrible a person she is.
Why do they call him a leftist as he defends mainstream media and leftist politicians calling 2016 illegitimate for 4 years not mainstream.
You quickly forget your side and their 'not my President' post 2000.
And Hillary Clinton isn't mainstream? She's denied the election of *two* different presidents.
This is going way beyond a few fringe MSLSD lunatics who thought a some Facebook advertisements paid for by the Russians gave Trump the win.
The entire Democratic party in congress literally impeached the president twice on the basis of the discredited Russia collusion hoax perpetrated by the FBI using fraudulent FISA warrants. But a local Arizona politician suing in local Arizona courts because of massive irregularities in an election that took 3 weeks to tabulate wherein the secretary of state pulled off an 11th hour victory as a candidate in the election she oversaw that took 3 weeks to tabulate and was full of massive irregularities is "going way beyond" that? Somebody please bookmark this and rub this alcoholic child molester's drunken fucking nose in it every time he speaks from here on out. I haven't got the time.
You might want to read some MSM sources to learn what Trump was actually impeached for. (And look up the word "literally"...)
Hint: "Russia collusion" wasn't one of the counts.
Quid pro quo? Delaying funds for Ukraine?
I don't think we are really supposed to remember anything but he was impeached twice and he is a very bad man.
He was really impeached because he is Trump. They had a man and they were looking for a crime. People were very open about the desire to remove him from office before he took office. Pelosi hated him and she had the votes. Impeachment is a purely political process.
Ah, another useless moron. Probably a sock.
Boehm was in grade school for most of that?
Silly me. Until I got to;
I thought this was going to be a no-shit, even-handed "We should have our ducks in a row before *every* election." piece.
Mad --- that is some impressive optimism there.
It does make one wonder why you Charlie Browns keep coming back to kick the Reason football...
Obviously --- muted.
Nothing of value lost.
Since this is an election related article, I'll just patiently wait here until the usual 100+ post argument from the people that don't know the difference between audits and recounts.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps millions?
He was in fact referring to you. Good response.
“Trump supporters, not taxpayers, paid the bulk of the nearly $6 million it cost to review ballots in Maricopa County.
Taxpayers contributed $150,000 toward the review, plus $3 million for new vote-counting machines to replace machines that the county decided had been compromised during the review.”
Trump supporters have loads of money, if the law allows for “audits”, let them spend it!
(The fact that AZ had to spend $3 million of taxpayer money to replace machines the Cyber Ninjas ruined, however, may explain why private election audits are probably not going to catch on. That and the fact that the audit "failed" to show any significant fraud...)
Oh, and hey Boem. The word "denier" is a loaded word that became popularized people who said the Holocaust never happened, and still carries a boatload of contempt. I'd say "skeptic" would be more accurate, except they're not on the fence. They claim that they can be convinced, but keep moving the goalposts. Man, I can't think of a better word. I suppose that may be right. Someone who always responds with "Nope, not good enough" is not going to change their mind.
So youre back to cleanest election ever. Nothing bad happened during the election. Nothing should be investigated.
“Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what
Kyleelection deniers did inIraq2020 and whatAdam LanzaHolocaust Deniers didat Sandy Hook Elementary Schoolthroughout most of the last century.” –Sheldon RichmansarcasmicWhatever happened to Sheldon?
He always lives in the now. The past is modified as necessary.
Vulgar, didn't you know that we ALWAYS were at war with Eurasia?
When did he ever leave that? Except from 2016 to 2021 when the Russkies hacked the election and stole it from Hillary Clinton, of course.
He got beat down into admitting elections had fraud after 20 posts of attacking anyone who said elections have fraud. Then went back immediately to claiming anyone who says fraud exists is a trump cultist.
Sounds about right.
Congrats on accidentally pointing out how absolutely retarded both that term and you are. Literally no one denies that an election took place. They dispute the results. Not even Stacy Abrams and Hillary Clinton deny that their elections took place, they just insist they won when they didn't. It's hilarious that you want to try to coopt the term "denier" and apply it to something that nobody actually denies in a desperate attempt to smear your opponents as antisemites when your Team Blue is actually overflowing with racist black and Muslim antisemites who unironically deny the holocaust.
They claim that they can be convinced, but keep moving the goalposts.
Name a single time anything but "That's the count, deal with it" has ever been produced to convince the skeptics.
The biggest circumstantial evidence of the steal is the absolute refusal to provide any asked-for proof.
If the election was really "free and fair" the election officials should be falling all over themselves to show that it was.
To date, not only have they not, they won't even consider the possibility.
That's consciousness of guilt.
So the best way to clear up the fire hazard is to disable the fire alarm.
lesson learned by Great White
We fixed the shoplifting problem by never doing inventory.
You mean the not-widespread, not-enough-to-significantly-alter-the-outcome shoplifting problem.
We resolved accounting problems by not doing any accounting.
"Do Not Say Cochise To This Dog!"
GOODNIGHT EVERYONE!
And please don’t say “mattress” to Mr Lambert!
Also, this law is bullshit and the fact that you’re pimping it makes this one of the worst hot takes of 2022. And that’s saying a lot.
He's still got a month left to do worse!
As odd as this might seem to Reason's writers, how about run an election that the voting machines work, and that you have the projected winners the next day like most of the rest of the country and not take three weeks to count votes and maybe the people will have more faith in elections. Reason might also want to check into why these problems only exist when Democrats are in charge of the elections, and when there are closely contested races. Answer those questions and solve those problems and the problem of people not believing the election results goes away. It could be incompetence, or it could be cheating, but either way it needs to get fixed. Maybe Reason could do an article on that instead of demonizing a certain party while excusing the other.
“how about run an election that the voting machines work”
So if any machines malfunction (or there is human error), it isn’t a clean election?
“that you have the projected winners the next day like most of the rest of the country”
Because slow returns are a sign of fraud? Why would time be relevant to the accuracy of a vote count?
“why these problems only exist when Democrats are in charge”
They don’t.
“and when there are closely contested races”
They don't.
“Answer those questions”
Done.
“solve those problems”
Perfection isn’t possible. Expecting it as a precondition to accepting election results is an unattainable standard.
“the problem of people not believing the election results goes away”
The problem of people not believing election results is that it is a belief that is impervious to evidence. No matter how many times that disbelief is shown to be unfounded, it remains. It is a prroblem with the people who believe, not the people who work elections.
“It could be incompetence, or it could be cheating, but either way it needs to get fixed.”
Or it could be just everyday life. Nothing in life is perfect. Things break. People make mistakes. Problems arise. There will never be an election in which everything goes perfectly the whole time. That doesn’t make it fraudulent or justify disbelieving the results.
Here we are more than two years after Trump made completely disproven claims about a stolen election and still people believe it. This has never happened before. Every time a challenge to an election has been made, the determination of a fair election was the end of it. No years-long campaign of denial. No support given to those who refuse to accept the evidence. Certainly no one campaigning on election denialism.
Until now.
"Here we are more than two years after Trump made completely disproven claims about a stolen election and still people believe it"
https://hereistheevidence.com/
Of course, shreek. Certainly no one. Certainly.
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"Why would time be relevant to the accuracy of a vote count?"
Because the "late arriving" votes always show a statistically inconsistent proportion going to the LieCheatSteal party candidate. A seeming miracle. As if they had been created out of thin air, which is eminently possible, considering the lack of chain of control inherent in mailed-in ballots. You know, the kind banned in most honest democracies.
If mailed-in votes throughout the day have a certain proportion of each party but then suddenly swing, drastically to one side, that's evidence of fraud.
Such statistical anomalies are frequently used as proof of financial fraud, why not election fraud?
How many court cases have now rules on illegal election changes made in 2020? Just answer shrike. Then answer how many votes it affected.
Your allegation, you provide the proof.
“Here we are more than two years after Democrats made completely disproven claims about a stolen election and still people believe it”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qJCCg45Ow
Wow, what a shitty take.
Instead of improving security, auditability, or transparency, we'll just rubber stamp the results via federal judge.
Democrats paved the way for election denialism. Pelosi even picked a two-time election denialist, Rep Bennie Thompson, to chair the January 6 Committee, I guess to commemorate Jan 6, 2001, when he tried to overturn the USSC Bush v. Gore result, and Jan 6, 2005, when he actually voted against accepting Ohio's electoral vòtes, based on unproven claims of election irregularities, such as voting machines that rang up Kerry votes for Bush.
And when the challenge was disproven, did the Democrats mount a multi-year campaign of denial? Or did they accept the result and move on?
No Democrats campaigned on the 2016 election being fraudulent. Or any other election, for that matter. It isn't a thing.
But it is for Republicans. It's a snipe hunt, and a significant percentage of Republican voters are the dupes.
I guess that whole FBI hard-on for Trump and the serial impeachments and Tax Returns! thing from Congress is "moving on".
Yes, we should let Trump get away with murder in broad daylight! 'Cause He's "Team R"! Of OUR Sacred Tribe!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
Totally!
I almost feel bad knocking you around like I do, shreek. It's like shoving a cripple out of his wheelchair. Or sarcasmic beating his wife and daughter until the judge granted the restraining order.
Hillary Clinton is campaigning for office again?
She never did get it...
The current minority leader of the House (a Democrat, natch) did that for years after Trump's cleanest election in recorded history victory.
"No Democrats campaigned on the 2016 election being fraudulent. Or any other election, for that matter. It isn’t a thing."
I guess you missed this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qJCCg45Ow
Let's leave the goalposts where they were, shall we? The column is about Electoral Count Act Reform, where the mischief takes place on Jan. 6 every four years.
Unless, of course, Congress decided at that point to pass a new bill.
Does shifting power to a three-judge panel really solve the problem, anyway?
It does if you're a libertarian who wants monarchical rule by unelected technocrats.
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But the Arizona Department of State has already provided documentation showing that the machines were legitimate, according to Reuters.
well then it must be true!
Just what the fuck is the “Arizona Department of State”? There is no such thing, you professional “journalist” you.
If you mean the “Arizona Secretary of State” and her office, this is the scumbag democrat candidate Hobbs who decided to not participate in any electoral debates, and to whom the local “clean elections law”-supporting PBS branch provided an interview even though as she didn’t debate, she was not supposed to be given that solo airtime.
Does Reason pay for this sheer hackery by the word? Do they scale salary based on some unit scale of mendacious bullshit per article?
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A scandal is developing in Hungary concerning possibly-illegal foreign financing of the opposition party. Documents declassified by the Hungarian parliament suggest the U.S. government may have been involved.
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So....... Leftards... Do you want election integrity or not?
END Mail-In voting.
REQUIRE an ID and citizenship
TRACK for multi-voting tactics
VALIDATE with multiple organizations
And for F'Sakes UNPLUG the F'EN machines from the WWW. (no in-the-middle updates WTF is that?)
Everyone of those "problems" was championed by you leftards to begin with. You've made a mess of democracy, ignore the Supreme Law (what the USA is) and spent this nation into ruins.
F'Your "most fair election ever" BS.
The term was "most secure in American history", and it was contained in the Joint Statement I quoted in full, above.
Great article.
LP would be a well situated option for jobs like Secy State, county clerk's, redistricting boards, etc. Boring good governance stuff.
Except too many just act like an arm of GOP and too many others wear their underwear on their head
"require states to certify the election"
I'm curious. What if maybe some day there is an election that is found to be fraudulent? One that should not be certified because the results are in such doubt there can be no confidence in who the winner is? In that event do you still desire a certified election?
That is of course a hypothetical question because we don't have an actual case.
But look at a simpler case where at the end of the night the ballot count did not match the tabulator count. If that happen at a polling site, the staff there have to troubleshoot and find out what happened. At site I have worked at counts are made hourly to head off trouble like this at the end of the night. I an issue like this happened the votes could not be added to the totals and an investigation would have to be done. All before votes could be certified.
In the 2011 Wisconsin Supreme Court race the liberal candidate was ahead when the Waukesha County clerk reported there were 5000 uncounted ballots found. Now this cause quite a stir because Waukesha is a red county, and those missing results reversed the election results and gave the conservative candidate the win. But the county had the paperwork on the ballots and was able to show they were valid. As I have noted elsewhere shit happens and election are not immune.
"ballots found"
I'm always worried when I hear that phrase. Were the ballots known to be missing? If not, how do we know if all ballots were counted? Seems like every poll location should report total ballots cast shortly after closing so there's no surprises.
There are so many things wrong with this situation that I don't know where to start. What does certification of the election results mean if the officials approved to certify those results are REQUIRED to certify them? If certification is automatic, why is ANYONE deputized to certify them? If it's not automatic, under what circumstances are officials allowed to refuse to certify them? Our system is clearly broken but I doubt that a law passed by Congress is going to fix it!
No one should believe the results of this election, The problems are to numerous to list and one of the candidates was in charge of it, How is that FAIR?
This underscores the advantage of having 2 elections (popular and electoral college) for these federal job openings. Trump lost 3 of the 4 and is beaten despite brainwashing of semiliterate, semisane bumpkins and hillbillies. The interesting aspect is the huge disparity between Libertarian donations and votes per dollar, which in Georgia was two orders of magnitude. Voters need to be aware of pre-sabotage 2016 LP planks and the enormous leverage even the tiniest donation has on the spoiler vote count. THAT repeals bad laws.
This is so bazar. Reason magazine, a libertarian stronghold had articles complaining about needing more federal oversight and regulation into a local matter?
Sledgehammer. Start at the ankles, work up to the pelvis, then go to the wrists and work inward, then smash the ribcage and leave them to suffocate from a flail chest.