Twitter Quits the Biden Administration's Ham-Handed Crusade Against COVID-19 'Misinformation'
Elon Musk's rescission of the platform's prior policy, which forbade dissent from official guidance, is consistent with his promise of lighter moderation.

Twitter recently announced that it will no longer enforce its ban on "COVID-19 misinformation," a fuzzily defined category that ranged from demonstrably false assertions of fact to arguably or verifiably true statements that were deemed "misleading" or contrary to "guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information." The change in policy, which users first noticed about a month after Elon Musk completed his acquisition of the company, is consistent with his avowed commitment to lighter moderation and more free-wheeling debate. But according to The Washington Post, "experts" are warning that "the move could have serious consequences in the midst of a still-deadly pandemic."
That fear has always been the justification for restricting what people can say about COVID-19 on social media, and it is by no means groundless. If false claims deter medically vulnerable people from getting vaccinated or encourage the use of ineffective and potentially dangerous treatments, for example, the consequences could indeed be serious. But policies like the one Musk has ditched present two intersecting problems: Misinformation is an inherently nebulous concept, and private efforts to suppress it on any given platform are strongly influenced by government pressure.
Legal restrictions on COVID-related speech that go beyond recognized exceptions such as fraud and defamation would be plainly unconstitutional. But government officials can achieve similar results by publicly and privately demanding that social media companies do more to curtail the spread of "misinformation."
Those demands involve not only more vigorous enforcement of existing rules but also expanded definitions of unacceptable speech. Platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube have a strong incentive to comply with those "requests," given all the ways that dissatisfied officials can make life difficult for them through castigation, regulation, litigation, and legislation. The upshot, to the extent that companies adopt stricter moderation practices than they otherwise would, is censorship by proxy.
That is exactly what we are seeing, according to a First Amendment lawsuit that Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry and Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt filed last May. Discovery in that case has revealed emails showing how keen executives at social media companies were to placate federal officials by suppressing speech they viewed as a threat to public health.
Twitter seems to have had an especially cozy relationship with the government's misinformation hunters. "I'm looking forward to setting up regular chats," said an April 8, 2021, message from Twitter to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "My team has asked for examples of problematic content so we can examine trends."
Twitter responded swiftly to the government's censorship suggestions. "Thanks so much for this," a Twitter official said in an April 16, 2021, email to the CDC. "We actioned (by labeling or removing) the Tweets in violation of our Rules." The message, which was headed "Request for problem accounts," was signed with "warmest" regards.
That same day, Deputy Assistant to the President Rob Flaherty sent colleagues an email about a "Twitter VaccineMisinfo Briefing" on Zoom. Flaherty said Twitter would inform "White House staff" about "the tangible effects seen from recent policy changes, what interventions are currently being implemented in addition to previous policy changes, and ways the White House (and our COVID experts) can partner in product work."
Facebook likewise was eager to fall in line, especially after President Joe Biden accused the platform of "killing people" by allowing the spread of anti-vaccination messages. Such criticism was coupled with praise for companies that did what the Biden administration wanted. "In an advisory to technology platforms," CNN notes, "US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy cited Twitter's rules as an example of what companies should do to combat misinformation."
That July 2021 advisory, published the day before Biden charged Facebook with homicide, called for a "whole-of-society" effort, possibly including "legal and regulatory measures," to combat the "urgent threat to public health" posed by "health misinformation." Murthy's definition of "misinformation" was alarmingly broad and subjective.
"Defining 'misinformation' is a challenging task, and any definition has limitations," the surgeon general wrote. "One key issue is whether there can be an objective benchmark for whether something qualifies as misinformation. Some researchers argue that for something to be considered misinformation, it has to go against 'scientific consensus.' Others consider misinformation to be information that is contrary to the 'best available evidence.' Both approaches recognize that what counts as misinformation can change over time with new evidence and scientific consensus. This Advisory prefers the 'best available evidence' benchmark since claims can be highly misleading and harmful even if the science on an issue isn't yet settled."
Twitter's now-rescinded policy, which Murthy cited as a model, likewise deferred to the officially recognized consensus. "We have broadened our definition of harm to address content that goes directly against guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information," the company said. "We are enforcing this in close coordination with trusted partners, including public health authorities and governments, and continue to use and consult with information from those sources when reviewing content."
Under that test, any expression of dissent from official advice could be deemed misinformation. Twitter explicitly forbade "statements which are intended to influence others to violate recommended COVID-19 related guidance from global or local health authorities to decrease someone's likelihood of exposure to COVID-19." It specifically mentioned advice about masking and social distancing, both of which raise scientifically and politically contentious issues, especially when "guidance" inspires legal mandates.
Is questioning the benefits of general masking misinformation? (Yes, according to Twitter.) What about conceding the effectiveness of properly worn N95s while describing commonly used cloth masks as worthless? (Also misinformation, according to YouTube.)
If contradicting official advice is the criterion, questioning the scientific basis for requiring masks in schools or for maintaining a specific distance from other people likewise could count as misinformation. Even arguing that the costs of lockdowns outweighed their benefits might qualify, since those policies were aimed at enforcing social distancing.
Reasonable, well-informed people can and do disagree about such issues, based on different assessments of the "best available evidence," which Murthy says is the key to distinguishing between misinformation and acceptable speech. And whatever the correct take might be today, it could be different tomorrow. As Murthy concedes, "what counts as misinformation can change over time with new evidence and scientific consensus."
Over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, the conventional wisdom on subjects such as the utility of cloth face masks, the right distance for social distancing, isolation periods, intubation of patients, and the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing virus transmission has shifted repeatedly in response to emerging evidence. That process would be impossible if every deviation from the "scientific consensus" were deemed intolerable.
Fortunately, neither Twitter nor any other company has the power to enforce such conformity across the country. Thanks to the First Amendment, the government does not have that power either. The Biden administration's ham-handed crusade against COVID-19 "misinformation" nevertheless aims to reduce the diversity of opinions that people can express on major social media platforms, encouraging policies that equate all skeptics and dissenters with crackpots and charlatans. Whatever you might think about other changes Musk has brought to Twitter, his refusal to participate in that scheme is a hopeful sign.
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This is really good. One of the most disturbing things of the past 2-3 years was the near immediate insistence that everyone get on board with the "consensus". Which was absurd and just wrong. None of the covid related issues was (or really is even now) "settled science". This was all new and no one knew for sure what was true and what worked. You can't have a scientific or policy debate if no one is allowed to take one side in the debate.
I suspect it is already true, but the authoritarian bullshit will definitely be responsible for more death than the SARS2 virus in the long run. And no one has a clue what the long term effects of repeated vaccination with mRNA are going to be.
So far, the only long-term effects of vaccination that are known for certain involve enrichment of the pharmaceutical companies producing them. It's amazing how easy it was to get the people who reliably decried big pharma to be the ones fanatically singing their praises and trying to squash any resistance.
^this. It’s also pretty evident that vaccines didn’t work like a vaccine and limit infection from making someone sick. They may have reduced symptoms but I’ve not seen any evidence……I’ve also not looked. Don’t care.
There seems to be evidence that it is beneficial for some people. There is no evidence that it has reduced overall mortality in the whole population, which is bad news and kind of distressing (and makes me quite satisfied with my decision to decline any of it).
>>quite satisfied with my decision to decline any of it
for always.
There is pretty strong evidence the vaccine makes the disease less severe, resulting in the people most likely to die from COVID... hopefully not dying. Basically, it takes the chance of death from a very very low number to a very very very low number for the old and infirm. So if you're old and infirm, it's advisable to get the vaccine.
I think the vaccines would have been quite helpful in 2020 against delta. The fact that the vaccine arrival coincided with the less deadly omicron variant arrival made the vaccines nearly useless quickly. I guess it's debatable if the vaccines pushed the virus towards omicron or how predictable the timing of omicron was.
Exactly, the rollout of the vaccine is confounded with the rise of less deadly strains. I'm not sure it's possible to determine what actually occurred (but plenty of people are certain in their beliefs). All I know, is me and nearly everyone I know has recently had covid despite being single, double or triple vaxxed. Some people I know that were not vaxxed did not seem to fair any worse. Doesn't matter, it's basically a common cold at this point.
Pure anecdote, but everyone I work with who has been vaccinated has been sick from covid more than once post-vaccination. And I haven't.
That sort of statement - while correct - would have been flagged by some moderators. Simply implying that there was a strong risk stratification based on age and cormorbs such that responses should have been tailored to one's priors (essentially the GDB) was seen as misinformation. The irony is that Team Apocalypse was usually the faction with the most wrong ideas/theories.
| but I’ve not seen any evidence……I’ve also not looked.
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It's really confusing. Like half of the conspiracy theories I used to laugh at have become true and most of the left has switched from demonizing big pharma to cheering them on as heroes. Clown world, indeed.
Not even keeping you from getting covid is a long-term effect of the vaccine.
I saw today that the new guidance is every 2 months. That is insane. You cannot realistically expect the entire god damn nation to go get a shot every 2 months.
I was listening to a fluff podcast on XM today, and the people on it were total liberals. During the pandemic the guy (whose comedy I otherwise enjoy) was just constantly spouting all the party lines about getting boosted and jabbed. But today one of their producers said she was behind on getting her regular booster, and all he could do was say, "Well, try to do better."
Even these people who could do nothing but shame everyone, have now accepted the futility of this crusade. It isn't where they should be, it's a start.
Where these people should be is apologizing for taking part in the shaming tactics and pushing a nonsense storyline that no one in the country believes any more.
Last Spring, I suggested to someone that we would eventually be expected to get a shot every three months. They told me I was nuts.
Now it's every TWO months. I'm amazed there's not been more outrage over this insane guideline. I don't care how minimal the side effects are (short or long-term), a "vaccine" that gives two months of protection is not worth getting.
We've been repeatedly lied to about the efficacy of these shots and people are still lining up like sheep to get them.
And I got taken to task for predicting boosters every 45 days.
I’ve yet to get a response on my daily shot prediction. Maybe I was joking.
This skips past the most obvious and potentially the most harmful part of the debate that was quashed. Namely, the public health strategy for handling the spread of the virus.
China went with "zero COVID". We went with "two weeks to slow the spread", then "keep the peak below hospital capacity", then "mask and shutdown to prevent COVID". ... All devised by a team who observed china's response and said that they wished they could implement it here.
Meanwhile, there were other ideas. One prominent one was to protect the vulnerable by isolating the elderly and others at risk and aggressively testing there and the people who contact them, while allowing the virus to spread quickly through the rest of the population, providing a herd immunity that would not allow the virus to spread in the future, protecting the elderly that way.
It was a perfectly viable idea that deserved debate. It was shut down very aggressively.
I agree completely. My original comment was not meant to be exhaustive. The treatment of the GBD and other very smart and qualified people suggesting that maybe shutting everything down was not a good idea should be a massive scandal.
So where are the armies of conservaturd idiots (like Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, AKA Mother's Lament, with a Head Full of Cement) who are constantly explaining to us all, that Google, Twitter-Twatter, FacePoooo, etc., are all nothing butt branches of Government Almighty? HOW could this be happening here, what is happening here!?!?!?
Is Elon in jail yet? Or has he been replaced by a body double, and he's being tortured to death ass we speak?
You take everything you hear absolutely literally?
They were behaving as such, as this very article suggests. And now they are insisting that it must be that way again or the world will come to an end.
Come on, buddy. At least just acknowledge that government encouraging censorship by private companies is evil and probably illegal.
We all seek our own "silos" where "the enemy" is silenced, whatever our political leanings may be. The free market (the choices of the consumers) will be heard! I don't see the problem! Elon Musk not yet being dragged into the silent witness of the "night and fog" shows that things will still be OK!
Don't forget... Parler censors liberals! https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
"We all seek our own “silos” where “the enemy” is silenced"
But more than anyone else here, you've been cheerleading for actual censorship and massive first amendment violations by the federal government.
Even Shrike and chemjeff didn't pump for censorship as much as you, so on this topic you can fuck right off.
Lying evil asshole! Citation please when I've pimped for censorShit, bitch! It is YOU (among other power pigs) who want to enslave the owners of privately owned websites! Marxist Mammary-Necrophiliac!
Free speech needs to be a strong cultural value, or it isn't worth much even with legal protection.
Yes, this! True of free speech, and SOOOO much more!
(If written laws were the be-all and end-all, we'd pass ONE law... "Everyone will make a 'reasonable effort' to love everyone else." ... And half of the world's troubles, excluding windstorms, floods, earthquakes, etc. ... Would be SOLVED!!!)
The government can "encourage censorship" all it wants. So long as it obeys the Constitution in doing so. By definition, that is the will of the people.
But if the rule of law breaks down and the government is allowed to violate the Constitution with impunity, then we have a bigger problem than just pandemic-induced censorship...
Actually no, The MOMENT that the government ASKS or coordinates any corporation to do anything on their behalf, they become an "agent of government", a true government actor, in taking that action. This would make the COMPANY and the GOVERNMENT co-conspirators to violate a constitutional right (hint). This is in fact a CRIMINAL OFFENSE technically. If any action they took caused physical harm the offense becomes greater with a minimum 15 year federal imprisonment, otherwise 5 years maximum.
The fact is that once the entirety of the communication PROVES the intent and actions were co-ordinated, anyone who suffered loss of any kind from censorship (including social standing) can sue BOTH the company and the government actor and WIN.
ANY GRAND JURY in the nation or prosecutor can indict at that point.
What we really need are grand juries and prosecutors that want to see JUSTICE over these kinds of things.
Evidently SQRLSY thinks Jacob Sullum is a "conservaturd". Funny how he will throw those slurs around at anyone who dares disagree with his whackadoodle world view.
https://reason.com/2022/09/01/these-emails-show-how-the-biden-administrations-crusade-against-misinformation-imposes-censorship-by-proxy/
So then... WHO did the Biden Administration actually PUNISH for DARING to disobey Government Almighty, with respect to running their own web site THEIR way? By jail terms or fines, I mean? NOT being invited to cocktail parties, perhaps? WAAAAAAA!!!!! I, too, am being PUNISHED by not being invited to parties! This is GENOCIDE, I'm a tellin' ya!
"WHO did the Biden Administration actually PUNISH for DARING to disobey Government"
Is your argument *really* that if the government doesn't actually drag someone away in chains, they are not threatening anyone?
This doesn't seem to be a position that anyone else is taking- and that includes Jesse Walker (Reason Editor) and Jacob Sullum (Reason Editor) who both agree that censorship by proxy can still happen despite actual evidence that someone was taken away.
And what IS the "big threat" that Government Almighty wields against their web-site-owning would-be victims? "Do as we say, or we will take away your Section 230"! A threat from BOTH sides, yes! I have REPEATEDLY read exactly that! Which (among many other common-sense reasons) is why I support Section 230... For ONCE, in Section 230, we see an example of Government Almighty limiting its own power!! Hooray!!! "Thou Shalt Not Use the Courts of Government Almighty to PUNISH Party A for the Writings of Party B", says Section 230. And political hyper-partisans (yes, both sides) want to TEAR DOWN Section 230, in order to "pussy grab" their enemies! 'Cause they are SOOOO stupid that they imagine that their "enemy" will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing them right back! Short-sighted POWER LUST knows NO bounds!
Now you have completely abandoned your position that Censorship by Proxy isn't happening, and you are endorsing a single method (threatening the overturning of 230). There are other mechanisms, of course. One is threatening anti-trust. Another is dragging officials in front of congress monthly, where there is a risk of a purgery trap. Another is layering on other regulations that make life difficult.
What is odd is that in about 2 hours your made this rhetorical 180 from "You conservaturds! This isn't happening!" to "You conservaturds! It's Trump's fault". Are you really so crazy that you don't understand how erratic and inconsistent your arguments are? Or are you so disingenuous that you think your vulgarity will prevent folk from noticing?
So Overt... What do YOU propose that "we" (Government Almighty that acts in our name) should actually DO, then, to PUNISH FacePooo, etc., for having so cravenly submitted to these "threats" from Government Almighty? WHY wouldn't it be enough, if punishment there must be, for us to all boycott FacePooo? That's what I do! And it's enough for me; I have no raging, obscenely large punishment boner!
So let me guess... For punishing FacePoooo etc. ... You want to take away their Section 230 "special protection"? So that Government Almighty powers to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH can GROW-GROW-GROW?
A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
"So let me guess… For punishing FacePoooo etc. … You want to take away their Section 230 “special protection”? So that Government Almighty powers to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH can GROW-GROW-GROW?"
This goes to show that you don't actually read anything I write. I have never endorsed the repeal of 230, and defend it regularly. But you are *again* trying to change the subject.
You started off insisting that censorship by proxy isn't happening. This is untrue. Now you want to turn this into a discussion of 230.
In case it isn't clear to you, 230 did not prevent the government from engaging in censorship by proxy. So what you are doing is distracting people with a tangential but ultimately irrelevant conversation.
Now I can't understand why ACTUAL CENSORSHIP BY PROXY isn't concerning to you. For some reason you want to keep steering the conversation back to "Hur dur, let's make fun of conservatives!" That seems to me to be playing right into GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY'S hands. The Biden administration doesn't worry about censoring if they can trust in useful lackeys like yourself constantly changing the subject.
So then HOW do you propose to punish FacePooo for cravenly caving in? I say boycott FacePooo, and leave well enough alone. Do NOT grow Government Almighty, and leave Section 230 alone! It is only after spilling MUCH ink here, that I hear a lukewarm endorsement of Section 230 from you... With enemies of Section 230 all around us.
Murder laws haven't yet stopped murders. We still need murder laws anyway. And BOTH SIDES are looking to murder Section 230! Because they hate free speech! No good will come from this!
"So then HOW do you propose to punish FacePooo for cravenly caving in?"
I shouldn't have to answer anything for you. You are the one arguing in bad faith. You insisted that "conservaturds" are just having paranoid delusions about government censorship by proxy. You were wrong, and rather than cop to that fact, you want to change the subject. Until you can man up and admit your mistake, I'm just going to keep calling your attempts to dissemble and squirm for what they are.
"It is only after spilling MUCH ink here, that I hear a lukewarm endorsement of Section 230 from you"
That is your problem, not mine. First, this article isn't about 230. You are the one who keeps trying to bring it up. Second, I have regularly gotten into it with JesseAZ and mad.casual in defense of 230. I'm the person you previously thanked for sharing the "You've Been Referred Here Because You're Wrong About Section 230" article. So you are either senile, or being disingenuous in your characterization of my position.
"We still need murder laws anyway. And BOTH SIDES are looking to murder Section 230!"
Yes, and that is not the point of this article. The point of this article is that the Biden Administration is using OTHER TACTICS to force big tech companies to engage in government censorship by proxy. That is ALSO A BAD THING. And since 230 is the law of the land today, we need to do something else to stop government censorship by proxy.
Read that again: 230 has not prevented the executive branch from censoring people by proxy. That doesn't mean 230 should go, obviously, but it ALSO means that 230 is not an effective protection against censorship by proxy.
The issue is not protecting the corporations, it is assuring that those in power in those corporations begin to understand that becoming an agent of government and then censoring is in fact violating civil rights under color of law and a criminal act against a person.
EVERY grand jury in the USA and EVERY prosecutor should be thinking like this and bringing charges against INDIVIDUALS within the corporation as well as the government bureaucrats that initiated the violation.
Remember, neither the government itself, nor a corporation itself can generally be a criminal organization! Only those employees empowered to perform duties and who allowed, organized and or caused criminal activity can be charged. So we need to begin CHARGING THEM AND CONVICTING THEM.
So every twitter officer and manager and supervisor that was involved in conspiring against any person's civil rights by aiding a government actor in taking those rights, along with those government actors need to be prosecuted and jailed with long terms.
these platforms literally colluded with the regime to silence dissent.
they worked hand in hand with the current Biden administration and literally took specific requests to ban specific users the admin didnt like.
So yes, they are all might as well be branches of government. Elon's Twitter is now the only exception.
A few small subreddits on Reddit have flown under the radar and contained very free criticism of consensus policy, such such as r/debatevaccines and r/scienceuncensored. So Twitter isn’t the only free space.
Watching the regulatory payback against Twitter from the Biden adminstration is going to be epic. And it will be justified on the left as necessary to protect free speech by regulating free speech.
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Something about Amazon shutting down the entire host or something.
They are already there. The online consensus is that Elon Musk is the greatest threat to democracy in existence because he is allowing a space for Nazis and insurrectionists to organize and recruit.
Allowing Nazis to organize? Just like the ACLU did back when they were not Nazis?
That fear has always been the justification for restricting what people can say about COVID-19 on social media, and it is by no means groundless. If false claims deter medically vulnerable people from getting vaccinated or encourage the use of ineffective and potentially dangerous treatments, for example, the consequences could indeed be serious.
Can you at least PRETEND you're a libertarian, when Reason is asking for donations? For fuck's sake.
Who was trying to harm people by making claims they knew to be false? I mean, other than the pharmaceutical companies.
The FDA, the Biden administration, NIH, WHO, did I miss anyone?
CDC . . .
The CDC was the big one.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-cdc-falls-to-new-lows
I know I already posted this earlier, but the audacity combined with lack of awareness - among other things - would have been shocking to me in 2019.
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BTW, did any of you see this from the CDC director?
“This year marks the 50th anniversary of the end of the Tuskegee syphilis study. Tomorrow, I will be joined by colleagues & #PublicHealth leaders as we honor the 623 African American men, their suffering & sacrifice, and our commitment to ethical research and practice.”
https://twitter.com/CDCDirector/status/1597700811102224385
And they wonder why so many people don’t trust public health ‘experts’.
Yes. Luckily the thread is ripping her, pointing out that 'sacrifice' is something you do WILLINGLY, unlike what happened at Tuskegee.
Yeah, she misspelled "atrocity".
The CDC, various state and regional departments of health, the AMA, Health Canada, the NHS, the Chinese Healthcare Security, NIST, local law enforcement, a number of private corporations and companies... some of them certainly didn't know they were making false claims or acting with authority from false premises, some of them were deliberately or pointedly mum when they heard claims they knew were false being made and saw action based on those false claims being taken, some of them were exerting authority they knew they didn't have and didn't really care if they were justified by lies or not.
I just dislike the "to be sure" caveats to signal to the proggies. "Yeah, censorship is bad, BUT..."
Misinformation is actually not a problem because a robust love of free speech will let the marketplace of ideas combat it with good information. When you shut down misinformation, that just convinces people it's dangerous to the establishment.
There's a problem when people act on misinformation, but the problem is contained to those people. The truth, the actual data is out there, if people really are concerned enough to act on the information they're reading into online. But if you're censoring too broadly and eagerly, you risk accidentally censoring the truth and preventing people from making informed decisions. Doing so at the behest of government officials who have their own interests is even more dangerous and likely to suppress information the public needs to hear.
Censorship was precisely the problem. Especially when the censorship extended and directly targeted people were saying things that are now established to be 100% unvarnished fact.
"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"
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Gee, some off-the cuff rambling regarding some possible avenues of investigation; did you have a point?
Other than you've been saving that for years?
The irony of his stupidity is that when Trump said the first statement he was referring to actual ongoing research.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/26/pharmaceutical-firm-aytu-bioscience-testing-uv-lig/
And of course this actual information was censored right after Trump said it, and I don’t seem to be able to find any current information about it.
Edit: found some more current info, actually looks promising.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aytu-bioscience-announces-positive-clinical-200100096.html
New TDS-addled shit-pile smells a lot like commie kid. turd is out of the question; the asshole is capable of writing English.
Not sure, but the handle stinks highly of some TDS-addled shit adding a sock.
ObviouslyNotSpam? Eat shit and die; make your family proud.
Whoever the dumbass is, I always appreciate a good self-own.
The second statement also refers to an actual medical procedure:
“This procedure washes out mucous casts, which are then aspirated through the same catheter. It has been
suggested that a mucolyticagent or detergent could be used in the lavage fluid.”
Bronchial lavage in the treatment of obstructive lung disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1019111/pdf/thorax00090-0072.pdf
Trump brainstorming on ways to kill the Xi flu. Why not? Who is harmed?
I wonder if he filed for patents.
The exact same establishment that has demanded consistently more money to educate the public, year after year after year, has now declared that the public is too stupid to properly evaluate basic information.
And they do not see the irony in this.
The basic problem with the concept of "misinformation" is that it includes true statements and reasonable challenges to the official consensus. It is therefore merely a propaganda concept. Much more so as an organization like Twitter has limited expertise to determine truth and falsehood in general, and especially in the medical field.
That was never the issue. The issue was that government actors conspired with corporate actors to end freedom of speech. That made it a CONSPIRACY between all those actors to violate constitutional rights of a specific target group, a FELONY.
Today it is possible for ANY grand jury and or ANY state prosecutor to gather the names and indict for state and federal violations of rights under color of law.
Sentencing is 5 years max for most of these things, except the conspiracy, that can be damn near unlimited.
Anyone who gets their medical advice from a social media site isn't long for this world anyway. They will die from eating Tide Pods, or from street racing, or a double dose of fentanyl, long before Covid19 gets them.
Anyone who gets all their health advice from medical doctors and drug companies is likewise in peril.
How about witch doctors and crystal healers?
Homeopathic 'cures' have wide acceptance, Xian Science less so. Did twitter ever 'curate' postings on those?
Don't forget the USDA's "Four Food Groups" and other nonsense.
>>which forbade dissent from official guidance
been fighting official guidance since I was four. instinct?
My favourite comment of the day, Dillinger. Good one.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598004480066621441?t=hsBv-mx-oE_uJTXHJJerNA&s=19
Exactly. The obvious reality, as long-time users know, is that Twitter has failed in trust & safety for a very long time and has interfered in elections.
Twitter 2.0 will be far more effective, transparent and even-handed.
First sentence is true. Second sentence is a nice aspiration but I wouldn't put money on it.
What about the third sentence though?
Fortunately, neither Twitter nor any other company has the power to enforce such conformity across the country. Thanks to the First Amendment, the government does not have that power either.
Phew!
I feel safer already.
*The* First Amendment or *a* First Amendment?
The use of "across the country", in context, sounds so hilariously Boomer-ish. Twitter (and FB and Google) TOTALLY enforced such conformity across the country. They didn't do it across *all* platforms in every last square foot of the country, but you got the same Twitter/FB/Google censorship in HI and TX as you got in ME and AK (and beyond) and at every accessible point, in between.
"Whatever you might think about other changes Musk has brought to Twitter, his refusal to participate in that scheme is a hopeful sign."
A sign that the government's "threats" were only ever a pretext for doing whatever the Twitterers-that-be intended to do anyway?
Your argument appears to be that (a) Twitter et al dangerously agreed to censor content the government wanted it to censor--on pain of drastic and unconstitutional government coercion; (b) then Lonnie bought Twitter and decided not to; and (c) there were no consequences.
Sorry, what was the problem again?
The problem was that once in a while, THEY TOOK DOWN MY POST!!!! Call me a WAAAAAAAAmbulance!!!
(They did NOT take my post down because I was a foul-mouthed trollish bastard who insulted everyone with empty-headed bullshit... They took it down because they DISAGREE WITH MY POLITICS!!! This MUST be true... 'Cause I say so!!! All bow LOW!!! All of your web sites belong to MEEEE!!!!)
Personally, I don’t care why they took down your post.
Pre-Musk Twitter was either caringly trying to do the right thing, cannily trying to protect its brand, or cravenly caving in to overwhelming government pressure sufficient to remove all power of agency.
But one thing’s now fer sure: Post-Musk Twitter will be doing it for none of those reasons…
"...Pre-Musk Twitter was either caringly trying to do the right thing, cannily trying to protect its brand, or cravenly caving in to overwhelming government pressure sufficient to remove all power of agency.
But one thing’s now fer sure: Post-Musk Twitter will be doing it for none of those reasons…"
Can we presume a raging case of TDS has weakened your immune system such that MDS is now your major medical issue?
Maybe look up "chilling effect" in the dictionary.
If the definition hasn't been changed.
Then again, the actors in twitter believed that they had something to GAIN in "helping" the bureaucrat violate civil rights. In fact they worked together OPENLY to that end. Making all actors in Twitter who talked with government agency, AGENTS OF GOVERNMENT and conspirators. It all started with an official document and request for "help".
If that document and those calls never existed, then everything twitter did WOULD HAVE BEEN legal. Instead they openly violated civil rights under color of law as AGENTS of the government.
This is a conspiracy and created government agency of Twitter with the promise of POWER to control and ....to do a social experiment that could lead to MORE power and more income.
Bottom line no threat had to be made and I doubt one was actually made.
ObviouslyAnIdiot, the threat to small fish is a big threat. Elon has F-you money so he has less (not zero) to fear from the government.
The problem here is not that the science can change with new scientific information. The problem here is that the official "advice" is not based on scientific evidence and changes based on the political whims of the political class while holding their fingers into the wind to determine the best fit for their political careers.
Fuck off you leftist cunt. You were all in for the lockdowns and the censorship but now we're supposed to just ignore that because you got caught out? You want to pretend now, fine l, but it's just a pretense at respecting others as you bide time before you retry and install your authoritarian demands on the rest of us.
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“…contrary to “guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information.”…”
Pretty much all you need to know about the policy.
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Democrats are famous for being the party of political prisoners.
I'm not sure how this article didn't get censored. 🙂
It's service was spotty just a few hours ago; Censorship failure! 🙂
Fuck the government. I think that covers it all.
ENB's going to kick your arse Sullum. She's going to call you a boomer.
Because you're supposed to be mad that Twitter isn't stopping "disinformation', not point out that most of what the government put out was disinformation.
Which side gives the misinformation? When my wife had Covid she kept getting sicker. The first trip to the doctors they prescribed behind the counter sudafed . Three days later she was so sick she could barely move. We called the doctor and he said go straight to the emergency room. That idea terrified her so we reached out on social media and found a NP that was prescribing the therapeutics and an independent pharmacy filling them. At 2pm she had the telemed appt, at 5 pm we had the prescription, by 7 pm she had taken the ivermectin and Z pack. Then it was like a miracle. She woke up in the next morning hungry and wanting to get back to work. I said just stay home and do nothing, but the 2nd morning she was dressed and went about her daily life almost like normal. From feeling like she was going to die to nearly recovered the next morning because we did not listen to the government's misinformation. Her only side effect was a few months of loosing hair, and she recovered from that, too. So, we need both sides of the story, especially when the one side is making a huge profit and does not want us to know of the much less expensive and safer alternatives.
They intentionally let people die for profit and power.
https://www.cato.org/regulation/summer-2022/ivermectin-together-trial
Reason...no post about China lockdowns and the hypocrisy by govt and Apple (supporting the CCP). No post on Balenciaga and kiddie porn (then again this is Reason which doesn't think pedos are a big deal it seems). Threatening Twitter by the Federal Govt is out of bounds. "misinformation" is the modern bolshevik "reactionary" term to stifle free speech. The Feds are way out of line and honestly this is an impeachable offensive. More than anything Trump did. Reason? Crickets again.
"Threatening Twitter by the Federal Govt is out of bounds."
Citation please about when and where this happened? Did some fed mail clerk threaten to NOT invite Elon Musk to a cocktail party?
I don't know about this episode but the (exactly 12) Democratic Senators that demanded Trump (the sitting president) be censored is very-well documented.
So; It never happens truly is an act of willful denial.
Punishing a sitting official (who wields power using our tax money) for wrongful acts is a wee tad different than using Government Almighty force to punish the free speech of an ordinary citizen. Should Der TrumpfenFuhrer's orders to Air Force Pilot Captain Dude-Sir, to go and bomb Nancy Pelosi's house, be protected free speech?
OK, bad example for right-wing wrong-nuts...
Should Der BidenFuhrer's orders to nuke a USA area which is voting too heavily "Team R", be protected "free speech"?
Oh.. Did Trump try to bomb Nancy Pelosi's House?
Yeah; That's what I thought.
Figments of your imagination used to excuse curbing free speech.
Trump ordered the fire-bombing of Dresden, AND the fire-bombing of Twitter! Now OBEY! OR ELSE!!!
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/28/trump-targets-social-media-with-executive-order-after-twitter-fact-checks-him.html
And 12 Democrats ordered media censorship of him.
The only mistake was going after twitter instead of going after Democrats who act like Nazi's.
Get ready to take your orders via Twitter NOW!
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/trump-tweets-military-orders/
Yes, the President’s tweets count as legitimate orders, no matter how confusing they seem
"The president could have called the Secretary immediately and said, 'I have decided against waiting. I want every transgender person in the armed forces discharged within 48 hours.'"
End import...
So when is the POTUS just trolling us, and when is the POTUS giving us actual odors? ODOR IN THE COURT, I say!!!
They let Buttplug back on if that says anything about their attitude toward pedos.
Always ask yourself, if China or Russia were pushing the same policy, would people think it was protecting democracy? Or squelching dissent and deplatforming opposition candidates and viewpoints?
good
Medium rare, with pickles on the side.
Any utilitarian value in "anti-misinformation" is immediately thrown out the door when "misinformation" includes going against the political establishment's preferred narrative instead of that which is demonstrably false. That makes it only a propaganda machine for the state and mostly one faction of the state in a very real example of corporatist fascism.
I don't understand. According to people in these comments, media has no choice but to do the bidding of Democrats because of implicit and explicit threats of government action. But here's Twitter telling the White House to screw? Doesn't make any sense. I thought all this information filtering was mandatory. Since the people in the comments are never wrong, the article must be incorrect.
Doesn’t make any sense.
Nothing that a trip through the woodchipper couldn't straighten out for you.
You're totally gone down the "If you don't agree with my team you're on the other team" rabbit hole. You used to have intelligent things to say. Now you're just another partisan idiot, and there are already too many of those here.
The Democrats outsourcing censorship of dissent from them to private companies is a problem. It is a problem if it is completely voluntary and it is an even greater if the Democrats are threatening the platforms with government action. That Musk has "go pound sand" attitude about the pressure and has not been punished (yet) is not dispositive that what the Deomocrats have been is wrong.
He's trolling. You're arguing. Save time. Feed woodchippers.
Here, sarcasmic, let me explain things for you: In reality, as we speak, Elon Musk is being SEVERELY punished by Government Almighty, for what Elon has done! Elon is being secretly tortured to death! BUTT... He has been replaced by a Government Almighty-sponsored body double, to do the bidding of Government Almighty, to TRICK us, and make us all THINK that we now have free speech again! Government Almighty thinks that this will cool down the passions of the mob, for a little while, and then (IF we're not all VERY careful, and listen to smart people like MEEEE), Joe Stalin-Biden will herd us all off to concentration camps, using the markings on the rears of stop signs. AND they will steal our Precious Bodily Fluids!
That's not what any here has actually said though.
We said Twitter was colluding with the government.
And it was.
Or are you going to tell us that that is ok? That it's just 'a business decision '?
Time will tell. But at the very least, large media companies colluding with government to stifle things the government doesn't want people to hear is pretty disturbing and at least violates the spirit of the 1st amendment.
This is a step towards the proper policy. It will take Elon Musk a while to disentangle and correct the direction of Twitter. Not everyone will believe that he opens up free speech enough and the ultra-sensitive woksters will believe that Elon Musk is evil incarnate.
What is most important is that the government regime should have zero control over content. The people who can vote with their feet should be able to freely exercise their rights as a consumer.
"...government regime should have zero control over content."
Yes, this! This is why we need to keep Section 230! (Also vote the bastards out, and boycott the craven companies like FacePooo who willfully "cave in" to mere threats from Government Almighty.)
Almost all of the actual misinformation came from the cdc, the democrats and the deep state. Will there ever be a reckoning?
No. We've lost.
The mills are grinding away. (Subscribe to Trialsite News for info on the crumbling of the official narrative.) Legal cases, congressional hearings, FOIA responses, foreign investigations and medical journal articles, life insurance company loses, excess deaths data, embalmer testimony, niche internet info, and exposay films and books, will all move the needle over the next year or two.
If you are getting your medical advice from twitter without further exploration of the facts, you are a dumbass and deserve what ever happens to you.
If you are getting your
medical advice from twitterpolitical opinion from Reason without further exploration of the facts, you are a dumbass and deserve whatever happens to you.Twitter Quits the Biden Administration's Fascist Dictatorial Mandates Against COVID-19 'Misinformation'
...and Reason called Trump a dictator, oh but let's sugar coat Joe!
Has anyone at reason written a mea culpa w/r/t their support of Twitter banning people, now that it's come out that the government played a key role in it? "I thought it was just a private company but now that I'm seeing the government fingers behind it, I realize I was wrong."
There were quite a few in the "just build your own platform" camp. It would be nice if they'd acknowledge that the government is working with Big Tech to regulate out their competitors in exchange for a bit of cooperative censorship. The worst monopolies are government-created or government supported, and government is elbow-deep in supporting several social media companies.
Has anyone at reason written a mea culpa w/r/t their support of Twitter banning people, now that it’s come out that the government played a key role in it? “I thought it was just a private company but now that I’m seeing the government fingers behind it, I realize I was wrong.”
No. And they never will.
"Has anyone at reason written a mea culpa w/r/t their support of Twitter banning people"
I think this expects too much. But, it is not exactly as you say.
Since before 2021, Reason editors have talked about Censorship by Proxy.
https://reason.com/2018/04/09/censorship-as-a-public-private-partnersh/
Do a search for those keywords and you will see that there is a lot of fretting from folks like Sullum circa 2021, and then lately when the goods were revealed.
All that said, along with Sullum (and others') reporting was a lot of tut-tutting from the likes of ENB who made it clear that the problem was deplorable conservatives she didn't like feeling like they were entitled to these platforms. And I think they really do need to spend some time figuring out just how the fuck you are supposed to deal with this.
Please provide us with a citation of WHO at Twitter was EVER punished, for NOT doing the bidding of Government Almighty? Who was jailed or fined? Nancy Pelosi saying "I am going to call you icky-poo if you don't do as I say" does NOT count as being PUNISHED by Government Almighty, cry-baby!
The Commentariat Remembers!
Note that SQRLSY has now moved the goalposts. Many people have talked about collusion and threats from the government. It has been reported on by the Reason staff. But see, you are crazy if you can't identify someone at Twitter who has been physically jailed by the government. Right.
"See your honor, I just told them it would be a pitty if someone broke their legs, and they willingly gave me that money. I never ACTUALLY broke their legs, so no harm, no foul, right?"
SQRLSY, it doesn't take too much brains to realize that there was probably a little more 'carrot' than 'stick' when you already have a compliant organization. We'll see how many of these now jobless Twitter moderation executives land perfectly on their feet appointed to cushy executive bureaucrat positions or get board of directors positions at companies with heavy government contracts.
Parler censors liberals! https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
Obviously, this MUST mean that our REAL Emperor (Der TrumpfenFuhrer's DicktatorShit in exile) is strong-arming Parler, and turning Parler into a mere extension of Der TrumpfenFuhrer's DicktatorShit in exile! Man the barricades, lest the Amphibian People take over!
Parler does what Parler wants to do? NOT possible!!! There MUST be a conspiracy going on, whenever people do things that I don't like!
“Parler censors liberals!”
Do you admit, then, that it was incorrect to imply that censorship cannot happen unless the government has actually jailed someone? Or do you think bringing up Trump (who is a private citizen, not the government, just in case you missed it) is going to distract from you changing the subject?
“There MUST be a conspiracy going on, whenever people do things that I don’t like!”
This is now the second time that you have alluded that people are just making up this censorship. First, you (bizarrely) implied that if Twitter employees aren’t being hauled off to jail there is no proof of censorship by proxy. Now you are implying that the complaints are based solely on people not liking the censorship choices.
But the problem is that there IS proof of censorship by proxy. We have the emails:
“On July 16, 2021, Joe Biden accused Facebook of “killing people” by failing to suppress misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines. That same day, a senior executive at the platform’s parent company emailed Surgeon General Vivek Murthy in an effort to assuage the president’s anger.
“Reaching out after what has transpired over the past few days following the publication of the misinformation advisory, and culminating today in the President’s remarks about us,” the Meta executive wrote. “I know our teams met today to better understand the scope of what the White House expects from us on misinformation going forward.””
https://reason.com/2022/09/14/bidens-sneaky-censors/
I would advise reading the stories, or you run the risk of looking foolish.
They had the same goal, which was achieved. Why apologize?
So WHAT did Biden threaten to DO to FacePooo if FacePooo did NOT listen to Biden? Take away Section 230, THAT is what the threat is! The threat that underlies or enables ALL future punishments from Government Almighty! https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/08/white-house-renews-call-to-remove-section-230-liability-shield-00055771
And then so-called "small government conservatives" fall ALL over themselves to AGREE with Joe Biden-Stalin, while holding the utterly foolish idea that killing Section 230 will empower THEIR pussy-grabbing, in a lopsided fashion!!! "Make the liberals cry", at ANY price!!! Hey stupid power-hungry conservatives! Karma is a bitch! If you won't learn from history, you will learn from your thoroughly earned suffering!
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole/
"So WHAT did Biden threaten to DO to FacePooo if FacePooo did NOT listen to Biden?"
They threatened to break them up with anti-trust. They also threatened legislation to break up 230. They also threatened National Security review. I don't think you understand the powers that the DHS has over tech companies.
"And then so-called “small government conservatives” fall ALL over themselves to AGREE with Joe Biden-Stalin"
Oh, so you reveal that you actually don't care about the issue at hand. Your sole purpose was to stir a bunch of shit about conservatives. You don't care if censorship by proxy is ACTUALLY happening, or what the impacts are. You just want everyone to understand that the conservatives must be owned.
This is why we cannot have nice things. Because you are too busy fighting your tribal wars than actually saying "Yeah what Biden did is wrong, and a serious impact to general liberty and Free Speech in specific."
“And then so-called “small government conservatives” fall ALL over themselves to AGREE with Joe Biden-Stalin”
This is plain for all to see, factually, if they'll take their blinders off! Hyper-partisans on "both sides" agree that Section 230 must be torn down... So that we can pussy-grab "the enemy", who will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back! And you call ME the tribalist for pointing this TRUTH out!
Biden and many democrats are WRONG to oppose free speech, and the Section 230 that strengthens it. CONSERVATURDS ARE WRONG, TOO, when they do the exact same things!!! Why do you oppose those who (like me) DARE to speak the truth about the dangers of hyper-partisan tribalism, rather than taking on the enemies of Section 230 and free speech? We see conservatives on these comments, just about every day, lusting after the demise of Section 230. Where is your opposition to that?
"Biden and many democrats are WRONG to oppose free speech, and the Section 230 that strengthens it."
But Biden isn't merely opposing free speech. You get that, right? The Biden Administration has *actually* been engaged in censorship by proxy.
"Hey, guys! Don't concern yourself with that rape going on right now, let's talk about how all men are potential rapists!"
"We see conservatives on these comments, just about every day, lusting after the demise of Section 230. Where is your opposition to that?"
This is laughable.
1) I have defended 230 on many occasions, and the fact that you are not aware shows that you actually don't read these threads or that you are senile.
2) I am disinclined to let you change the subject here. So I will provide you one of many links to me defending 230 just as soon as you explain why that is so important in lieu of the ACTUAL CENSORSHIP going on from the government right now.
"...ACTUAL CENSORSHIP going on from the government right now."
Who is in jail? Who has had their property confiscated by Government Almighty, for not speaking the way that Government Almighty wants them to speak, on their own privately owned web site(s)? If FacePoooo cravenly caves to mere THREATS, they should grow the balls that are required to actually TAKE the punishment, and then, with a firm basis for taking it to the courts, go ahead and TAKE it to court! If FacePooo won't do that... Boycott FacePoooo! If enough of us do that (boycotts)... Problems are solved, WITHOUT growing Government Almighty!
Besides, who, today, who has access to an internet connection, really and truthfully lacks full access to ALL of the lies that they want to hear? Where IS all of this censorshit, then?
"Who is in jail? Who has had their property confiscated by Government Almighty, for not speaking the way that Government Almighty wants them to speak, on their own privately owned web site(s)?"
You keep saying this as if it is some compelling argument. The government compels all sorts of behavior with VARIOUS threats punishment. Making an example out of someone by jailing them is one of those mechanisms. But others include threatening to shut down a business, harassing you by repeatedly dragging you into court, threatening to fine you, threatening to legislate you into oblivion, etc. Those companies might also engage in censorship by proxy through inducements from the government- bribes, one might say. But it doesn't matter- this is unconstitutional.
"If FacePoooo cravenly caves to mere THREATS, they should grow the balls that are required to actually TAKE the punishment"
That's quite noble of you to demand that someone else risk their livelihood and treasure to fight a battle on your behalf. I sure agree that these companies ought to do it, but we must not rely on someone else to criticize a wrong.
And censorship by proxy is wrong- whether the company is forced to do it or is induced to do it through rewards and incentives.
"If enough of us do that (boycotts)… Problems are solved, WITHOUT growing Government Almighty!"
Yeah sorry, I'm not buying your faux concern. You just spent 2 days arguing that this problem doesn't exist- that Facebook wasn't engaged in censorship by proxy and that "conservaturds" are just imagining things.
Censorship by proxy is illegal and unconstitutional. The First Amendment prevents the government from censorship PRECISELY because the speech that often needs protecting is unpopular speech. While I am happy for people who choose to boycott a company that colludes with the government censors, that will never be a remedy that works, as the government will quickly learn to target only unpopular speech. Your boycott won't work.
You have also created a false choice where the only response is boycott or increasing the scope and power of the government. The legislative branch absolutely has the ability to write laws constraining the executive branch- thereby decreasing federal power.
Overt,
Please cease to use the term "by proxy". The MOMENT any letter, request, agreement, or collusion takes place between any government bureaucrat or employee (especially high level) and any corporate agent, the corporate agent BECOMES an AGENT OF that government agency (as his belief is to help the government, not the bureaucrat; or to help the bureaucrat gain more power so that the corporate agent can benefit) and is therefore REPRESENTING GOVERNMENT INTERESTS, even if those interests are the unlawful actions of the bureaucrat only.
The government (agent) can not send a letter asking for help, then sit in meetings conspiring with corporate (now government) agents to diminish or cease individuals' constitutional rights and not create a government agency between his bureau and the corporation.
THERE IS NO PROXY!
The issue is the CLEANEST way to deal with this is for a STATE or FEDERAL GRAND JURY or PROSECUTOR to investigate and to indict the bureaucrat himself and the CORPORATE agents involved for conspiracy and violation of constitutional rights under color of law. FBI doesn't need to know until it happens, then it WILL bring its own federal charges if it is smart.