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Election 2022

Abortion, Pot, Slavery, and More: 34 Ballot Initiatives We're Watching Today

Plus: California's latest faux-trafficking sting, judge suspends New York gun restrictions, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 11.8.2022 9:40 AM

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Happy Election Day…I guess. There aren't many candidates competing today about which a libertarian could get excited. But there are a few Election 2022 ballot measures that set our hearts aflutter—and a few others we're anxiously watching in hopes that they fail. So, let's dig in. The list below—by no means comprehensive—offers a glimpse at some of the especially good and especially bad ballot measures on Reason's radar.

DRUG LEGALIZATION

Marijuana legalization measures are on the ballot in five states—Arkansas (Issue 4), Maryland (Question 4), Missouri (Amendment 3), North Dakota (Measure 2), and South Dakota (Measure 27). Jacob Sullum offers a rundown of these recreational weed initiatives here (Sullum's post also details an Oklahoma initiative that ultimately failed to get on the ballot), while the Cato at Liberty blog homes in on the tax structures contained in each.

One state—Colorado—will vote on whether to decriminalize psychedelics. If Proposition 122 passes, Colorado will remove criminal penalties for noncommercial activity related to "natural medicine," which it defines to include the psychoactive components in shrooms as well as dimethyltryptamine (DMT, which is the active ingredient in ayahuasca), mescaline (which is the active ingredient in peyote), and ibogaine (derived from the iboga tree bark). More on Proposition 122 here.

Abortion

Abortion-related initiatives are on the ballot in five states—California (Proposition 1), Kentucky (Amendment 2), Michigan (Proposal 3), Montana (LR-131), and Vermont (Proposal 5). Passage of the California, Michigan, or Vermont proposals would expand reproductive freedom; passage of the Kentucky proposal would restrict it. The Montana proposal is a weird one.

Proposition 1 would amend California's constitution to include a right to reproductive freedom, defined to include the "fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives."

Proposal 3 would amend Michigan's constitution to include a right to reproductive freedom, defined as "the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to prenatal care, childbirth, postpartum care, contraception, sterilization, abortion care, miscarriage management, and infertility care."

Proposal 5 would amend Vermont's constitution to state "that an individual's right to personal reproductive autonomy is central to the liberty and dignity to determine one's own life course and shall not be denied or infringed unless justified by a compelling State interest achieved by the least restrictive means."

Amendment 2 would amend Kentucky's constitution to state that "nothing in this Constitution shall be construed to secure or protect a right to abortion or require the funding of abortion."

LR-131 would state that in Montana, "infants born alive, including infants born alive after an abortion, are legal persons; requiring health care providers to take necessary actions to preserve the life of a born-alive infant; providing a penalty." Violators of the law could face up to 20 years in prison. The measure is set up to seem like common sense—of course an infant, once born, is a legal person—and supporters portray detractors as barbarians who want to abort babies after birth. But detractors—including the American Civil Liberties Union of Montana and the Montana Medical Association—say the bill is unnecessary ("Montana law already recognizes the responsibility of medical providers to care for viable infants outside of the womb," point out Nancy Maxson and Nancy Leifer, co-presidents of the League of Women Voters Missoula), and infringes upon the physician's judgement. For instance, it would require doctors to take all medical steps possible to prolong the life of an infant who is in severe pain and cannot live on its own outside the womb rather than simply provide palliative care.

nanny state vs. free markets

Flavored tobacco and online sports betting are up for a vote in California, while Coloradoans will vote on alcohol delivery services.

California Proposition 31 would uphold a ban on flavored tobacco products, including flavored vaping products. The ban was passed via Senate Bill 793 (SB 793). If Proposition 31 passes, SB 793 will be upheld; if it fails, it will be repealed. Essentially, California voters will have the "chance to override lawmakers trying to control their personal choices," as Reason's Scott Shackford wrote about it. (See also: "California's Anti-Vaping Ballot Question Isn't About 'Protecting Children.'")

Proposition 27 would legalize online sports betting and Proposition 26 would legalize sports betting at Native American casinos and at licensed racetracks. But "in the style of California politics, it's all a gigantic, expensive mess of competing interests," notes Shackford, who offers more details on both initiatives.

Proposition 126 in Colorado would make permanent a pandemic allowance for alcohol delivery services for restaurants to sell takeout alcoholic beverages.

Bail Reform

Bail reform is on the ballot in Alabama (Amendment 1) and Ohio (Issue 1). But neither measure's passage would result in bail being more flexible or more fair.

Amendment 1 in Alabama—also known as "Aniah's Law—would stipulate 13 felony offenses for which judges could completely deny bail. Currently, the Alabama constitution states "that all persons shall, before conviction, be bailable by sufficient sureties, except for capital offenses"—so, bail can be set high, but it generally must still exist. The new law would let judges deny bail for a much wider variety of people accused of crimes—and lead to a lot more innocent people being imprisoned. "We could have individuals stuck in jail for years at a time and ultimately not found guilty," Jerome Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center told AL.com. "They are innocent the day they are charged but still could be in jail for months and years."

Giving the government the authority to hold you indefinitely before trial is a bad idea. It's a power that will be abused. A lot. And this is coming from one of the people who will have that power.

— Judge David Carpenter (@DavidOCarpenter) November 3, 2022

Issue 1 in Ohio would take away the state Supreme Court's power to shape bail considerations and hand that power to the state legislature. It comes in response to the Ohio Supreme Court's ruling in DuBose v. McGuffey, in which the court said a $1.5 million bond for a murder/robbery suspect was too high. Issue 1 says that when setting bail, Ohio courts must "consider public safety, including the seriousness of the offense, as well as a person's criminal record, the likelihood a person will return to court, and any other factor the Ohio General Assembly may prescribe." It would also "remove the requirement that the procedures for establishing the amount and conditions of bail be determined by the Supreme Court of Ohio."

Opponents of Issue 1 argue that its passage "could create a risky mosaic of policies and standards determined, no longer by the Supreme Court, but by individual judges," notes Reason Foundation's Vittorio Nastasi. They also say it's unnecessary, since Ohio judges can already deny bail entirely in some circumstances, including when someone "poses a substantial risk of serious physical harm to any person or to the community," and are already allowed to consider "the nature and circumstances of the offense charged," the "history and characteristics of the accused," and "the nature and seriousness of the danger to any person or the community that would be posed by the person's release" when determining whether bail will be granted. "Good prosecutors in Ohio already know how to keep dangerous suspects in jail pending trial," said State Sen. Cecil Thomas (D–Cincinnati). "They request a detention hearing and present evidence about the risk to public safety. This ensures that before denying a person who is still considered innocent their freedom, due process rights must be respected and enforced."

Civil Liberties

Voters today are set to consider search warrants for electronic data, religious freedom, gun rights, and prison slavery.

Data privacy/due process. Measure C-48 in Montana would amend the Montana Constitution "to explicitly include electronic data and communications in search and seizure protections."

Freedom of religion. Issue 3 in Arkansas would amend the state's constitution to say that "government shall not burden a person's freedom of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability." The state could only pass a law that impinges on freedom of religion if it demonstrates that this law "is in furtherance of a compelling government interest; and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling government interest." Furthermore, "a person whose religious freedom has been burdened … may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial, administrative, or other appropriate proceeding and obtain appropriate relief against a government." The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the ACLU of Arkansas, and the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC) oppose the law. "The unintended consequences of this measure would be severe and far-reaching, giving people a basis to challenge and exempt themselves from virtually any state law," said Holly Dickson, executive director of the ACLU of Arkansas. Don Byrd of BJC said the proposed amendment "strays from the federal version of [Religious Freedom Restoration Act] in a potentially significant way: by leaving out the word 'substantial.' Instead, the law is triggered by *any* burden on religious exercise." But many see this as a plus. Rep. Jimmy Gazaway (R–Paragould) described it as providing stronger protections for freedom of religion. "I'm not sure that's a dramatic departure, but I think it's one that most Arkansans would welcome to protect their religious freedom," Gazaway said.

A right to keep and bear arms. Amendment 1 in Iowa would amend the state constitution to explicitly state that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and that Iowa recognizes this as "a fundamental individual right," requiring any restrictions on this right to be subject to strict scrutiny.

Slavery/indentured servitude as punishment. Ballot measures in Alabama, Louisiana (Amendment 7), Oregon (Measure 112), Tennessee (Amendment 3), and Vermont (Proposal 2) would amend their respective state constitutions to prohibit slavery or indentured servitude as a punishment for a crime. The Alabama change comes as part of a larger constitution edit; the others stand alone. More on all five measures here.

Election and voting laws

With Question 3, Nevada voters will consider something called Final Five voting. The Cato Institute's Walter Olson has more details:

Nevada voters in Question 3 will decide whether to join Alaska in adopting the innovation known as Final Five voting (Final Four in Alaska), in which a single all‐​party qualifying‐​round primary is followed up by a ranked choice voting (RCV) general election. As I've argued, while RCV tends to get more attention, it's the first of these paired reforms that could pose the more systematic challenge to current practice by offering a way to sidestep "some of the manifest problems with today's party primary system, in particular the dominant role of zealously motivated base voters."

Olson also details other election-related measures on the ballot:

Alabama voters will consider whether to prohibit changes to election law made within six months of a general election […] Arizona voters will consider voter ID together with some other security‐​related election proposals, and Connecticut voters will decide whether to join all but five other states in allowing early in‐​person voting. Finally, Arizona and Arkansas voters will consider proposals that would curb use of the direct democracy process itself by requiring supermajorities for many ballot measures and, in Arizona's case, imposing some other new constraints.

Wage Hikes

Voters in several states will consider minimum wage hikes.

Question 2 in Nevada would raise the minimum wage to $12 per hour by July 1, 2024.

Initiative 433 in Nebraska would raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour by 2026.

Initiative 82 in Washington, D.C.—a measure loved by labor unions and hated by servers and businesses alike—would raise the minimum wage for tipped workers from $5.35 per hour to equal the minimum wage for non-tipped employees by 2027. Voters previously approved such a measure in 2017, but it was repealed by the city legislature.

You can follow along with 2022 ballot measure results on Ballotpedia.


FREE MINDS

California's latest faux-trafficking sting. Here's another "human trafficking operation" in which police simply posed as adult sex workers and arrested people who tried to pay them for sex. This one, called Operation Century Week, has been blessed—and hyped—by California Attorney General Rob Bonta's office and was assisted by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI. "Tackling human trafficking in our state takes cooperation and a multi-pronged approach," said Bonta, calling the stings a means to "help protect people against exploitation."

In total, 30 people were arrested for solicitation. The state also brags that it seized 0.25 grams of cocaine and 0.6 grams of ketamine.

San Diego County District Attorney Summer Stephan said "we will not tolerate this modern-day slavery of vulnerable children and young adults being bought and sold like a piece of pizza. Human beings are not for sale."

The discrepancy between the big talk from Banta and other officials and the actual operation is unbelievable—or would be to anyone not following this sort of stuff. But selling standard prostitution and drug stings as heroic stands against human trafficking is, alas, common across America these days.


FREE MARKETS

A federal judge has temporarily struck down several gun restrictions in New York. More from The Hill:

U.S. District Judge Glenn Suddaby agreed in a Monday filing to put a pause on enforcement for parts of the state's new Concealed Carry Improvement Act, including provisions that required people applying for a gun license to prove "good moral character" and provide a list of their social media accounts and their family contact information.

The new law also limited firearms in "sensitive" locations, making areas such as New York City's Times Square a gun-free zone for even licensed gun owners.

Suddaby on Monday said the requirements overstepped New York officials' authority and argued the state's list of gun-free zones was too broad — though he allowed bans to remain for places such a schools and polling stations, according to Reuters.


QUICK HITS

More news from Twitter today: Elon Musk and David Sacks have both discussed putting all of Twitter behind a paywall eventually, @platformer has learnedhttps://t.co/4FJXxs5th0 pic.twitter.com/FA8ruIP30p

— Casey Newton (@CaseyNewton) November 8, 2022

• A guide to 2022 governor's races.

• Former friends and colleagues of Arizona Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake "say they remember her far differently from the candidate they see today."

• "Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, in her first opinion since taking office over the summer, objected Monday to the Supreme Court's decision not side with an Ohio death row inmate's claim," noted NBC News.

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  1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    The average voter isn’t qualified to make these complicated decisions, we need to let the elites tell us what to do.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      If we don't let the Experts handle it, then what are we paying them for?

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      ENB left off the most important thing. DEMOCRACY!!!!!11!!11

      Democracy is on the line, and if we don't vote the way our superiors demand, then it will disappear or something.

      1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Who are your superiors?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Not you, SoCkSoCkPeDo.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

          Your boss, the Davos crowd, DNC inner party, the gentry class.

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      2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        I have no superiors

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Of course not, but there's now a self-proclaimed aristocracy that thinks that they're your superiors.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Well, they would know.

        2. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          Why do I read that in Cheryl's voice? "You're not my supervisor!"

      3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Not sex work?

    3. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

      The complication is introduced by experts not eliminated by them. I don't want CRT in school because I want my child to read , write and do 'rithmetic --then we can talk

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        Fortunately for you, CRT isn't part of any K-12 curriculum in America. So you have nothing to worry about.

    4. Yatusabes   3 years ago

      The average voter jurinalist isn’t qualified to make these complicated decisions....

      I didn't read ENB's article. Does anybody?

      1. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

        Happy Election Day…I guess

        That ENB has a sad this early on Election Day should be encouraging news, and that’s as far as I read.

  2. Overt   3 years ago

    "Abortion-related initiatives are on the ballot in five states"

    Why the job opportunities for journalists are just endless.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago (edited)

      The one in Michigan actually was almost acceptable, IMO, except it was an actual Constitutional Amendment, it didn’t satisfactorily define “viability”, it included “mental health” as a reason to ignore viability, and most important, it included:

      “Nor shall the state penalize, prosecute, or otherwise take adverse action against someone for aiding or assisting a pregnant individual in exercising their right to reproductive freedom with their voluntary consent.”

      That is a much to broad immunity for anyone involved.

      1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        The Kermit Gosnells of the world rejoice, abortionists get immunity from malpractice.

        Abortion being the only medical procedure with constitutionally protected rights and protected priestly caste.

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago (edited)

          Abortion being the only medical procedure with constitutionally protected rights and protected priestly caste.

          Because it’s the only medical procedure that needs such protection, being constantly under attack from fundamentalist zealots, including ACTUAL priests.

          1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

            Not even fucking close. Worked in medicine for 17 years, there is far more that different religions oppose. Keep trying, your ignorance shows your bigotry.

            1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

              there is far more that different religions oppose.

              There are medical procedures that some religionists eschew FOR THEMSELVES. The Jehovah's Witnesses aren't trying to stop OTHER people from getting blood transfusions.

              1. Anteater   3 years ago

                Jehovah's Witnesses also aren't trying to stop someone from robbing or killing you.

                1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

                  Not sure why you think that's their responsibility.

                  1. Anteater   3 years ago

                    Context.

                    JW's don't vote, join military or police. Saying they don't try to stop other people from a blood transfusion has no value to your argument. They don't do anything regarding government policies.

                    If crime is high they won't try to vote it away. The police could be completely defunded and crime is out of control but they won't act to change it.

                    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

                      I see—you completely missed my point.

                    2. Nelson   3 years ago

                      No he didn't. He deflected because he doesn't want to admit his support for the government forcing people to follow his moral code instead of their own.

              2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

                I don’t mind this at all for consenting adults. Until they clone blood, it means more for me should I have an accident.

      2. Town Crier   3 years ago

        There is a lot wrong with Michigan's prop 3. It has a non discrimination clause with no qualifiers so age discrimination will be outlawed which will allow minors to get either abortions or Trans med services without parental knowledge or ability to deny such treatments to their kids.

    2. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

      I voted yes for the Montana ballot initiative, and now that I see the ACLU opposes it, I wish I could vote yes again. Unfortunately, Montana restricts you to one vote and is undemocratic by making you show ID and sign your name when you check in, those semi-fascists.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Fact Check: This is 4 Pinnochios - In Butte, America you get one ballot for every jello shot of Everclear you throw back

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          But do you get Frank Zappa's Home-Grown, Zircon-Encrusted Tweezer-Plucked Montana Dental Floss?
          https://youtu.be/JIP-T8jtjZY

  3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Any new voting scheme presented by those who are in office will only benefit those in office.

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      That's why the Nevada measure had to come from a voter initiative funded by wealthy activists.

  4. JesseAz   3 years ago

    ABC wants you to not worry about those late night ballot dumps with statistically improbable 95% dem voting patterns. Even if the GOP candidate is up 5 or 7 points around midnight, late night shifts to democrats are normal.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/early-election-night-results-final-tallies/story?id=92762835&cid=social_twitter_abcn

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      DOJ to monitor the most important races to make sure the election proceeds correctly.

      https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/doj-will-monitor-polls-24-states-ensure-voting-law-compliance

      1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        Interestingly, the People's Republic of NJ made the monitoring list. Color me surprised.....Not!

        NJ is corrupt AF.

        1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

          Tulsi Gabbard endorsed Healey

          1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

            Healey got my vote. The Team L Congressional candidate just wasn't doing it for me.

            Hopefully, Andy Kim will be history.

        2. Minadin   3 years ago

          The Feds also wanted to monitor at least one county in Missouri, but it turns out that their proposed monitoring violated Missouri election laws, so they have to wait outside.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/07/2022-midterms-doj-plans-to-monitor-elections-in-these-46-cities-and-counties-to-ensure-voters-arent-harassed.html

        Another list here. Amazingly, Illinois and Chicago did not make the list. Which should tell everyone here that the list is utter bullshit and not meant to stop vote fraud.

        1. Anomalous   3 years ago

          The DOJ didn't want to trample on the voting rights of the deceased.

        2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

          Chicago has been fortified for a while. No need to watch them

        3. Minadin   3 years ago

          The only county they picked from Missouri is the one where Jefferson City is (our state capital) which is a relatively rural county in the middle of the state. 75k population. No St. Louis, no KC.

        4. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          Chicago did not make the list.

          The DOJ investigators don't want to end up on the bottom of Lake Michigan.

        5. Personcommenting   3 years ago

          I know in Harris County(Houston, TX) the DOJ was invited or asked to come by the current D County Judge(like the mayor for the county) because the state(R) said they were sending observers and the D wanted the feds to watch the state. Of course, this is the same county judge that currently has top-level staff under indictment(by a fellow D district attorney) and caused the county to spend 100s of thousands relabeling signs and county vehicles when she swapped the precincts of 2 Republicans because she doesn't like them.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Polituci says the 22 elections could be hacked.

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/uh-oh-looks-like-politico-is-dabbling-in-election-denying-warning-voting-machines-could-be-hacked

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        Et tu, Politico? Why this calls for…..
        POLITFACT!!!!!!!!

      2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        Hacking and election security is only a concern if there is any danger Republicans might win.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          How else can we save democracy?

      3. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        All elections "could be hacked".

        The key is finding evidence of it which meets ordinary standards of proof, not just having a theory and a poor ability to critically think.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          So is your argument politico should not publish this article? Democrats pushed the same concerns for 2016 and even prior to 2020 in their push to involve the federal agencies to oversee state based elections.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            Why would I care what articles Politico publishes?

            Just show me da evidence...

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Then what is the point of your non sequitur?

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Read past the first line.

        2. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

          No, the key is voting the way we voted when no one feared fraud.
          Yes, Kennedy probably won on fraud and LBJ certainly won Senator on fraud but history reveals both to their shame. We aren't in Heaven yet

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            Yes, Kennedy probably won on fraud and LBJ certainly won Senator on fraud

            Where have you been all my life (presuming you are a hot woman)?

    3. Super Scary   3 years ago

      This "red mirage" business is highly dubious.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Just normalizing fortifications.

    4. JesseAz   3 years ago

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/tracking-issues-at-polling-places-throughout-election-day

      Major issues in Arizona voting lines today. Up to 20% of ballots not being read by voting machines in Maricopa, seemingly mostly in places like Anthem which have strong GOP voting bases. Maricopa's board of elections is democrat. No reported issues in democrat areas. Kind of strange occurrence.

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        FWIW, I just voted in Chandler. They said they are having printer issues, which is causing the scanners to not work. This makes some sense, but I agree I find the affected areas interesting. The officials were spending extra effort to examine the printed ballots and make sure they were formatted properly. Mine scanned properly.

        We had a longer line than I've ever seen for a midterm at 10am. I usually vote early to avoid the lines. We'll see how it shakes out.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Yeah, I can't imagine how the shitty vote readers started popping up in Maricopa, in mostly red areas. Big fucking coincidence there, I'm sure.

    5. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      This is just democracy in action after 2020!

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    There aren't many candidates competing today about which a libertarian could get excited.

    Sometimes it's enough for a libertarian to see the tears of comeuppance.

    1. THX1138   3 years ago

      What would ENB know about what excites a libertarian?

      1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        She talks to sex workers?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          He said libertarians not libertines.

          1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

            LOL....well done. 🙂

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Ha! Good one!

    2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      That is so true. I cannot wait for the spittle flecked tweets to issue forth from the deluge of rage that will be the thunder to proggy tears

  6. R Mac   3 years ago (edited)

    “• Former friends and colleagues of Arizona Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake “say they remember her far differently from the candidate they see today.””

    OH MY!

    Edit: Will this nonsense propaganda in the roundup end after today?

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      What is it with journalists finding high school and colleges acquaintances to attack conservatives? People change. They are no longer your friends so you weren't even likely close. It is just pathetic journalism.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        As the old adage says, some people grow up and become more conservative. I guess that offends perpetual children.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          One of my favorite quotes (although of uncertain provenance): "If you aren't a liberal in your 20s you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative in your 40s you have no brain.".

          I especially like it because, historically, what is "liberal" at one point is often "conservative" 20 years later. So people's beliefs don't really change, the label placed on those beliefs does.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      #BelieveAllOldFriends

      1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

        I miss the old Kari. Late night rape parties with Brett Kavanaugh, then recovering at planned parenthood with a banana bag and a handfull of plan B. Ah, good times.

        1. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

          You are disgusting but I am sure you know that

    3. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Will this nonsense propaganda in the roundup end after today?

      Is that question rhetorical?

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Sigh. Yes.

    4. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      If it saves one vote for the Democrats it's worth it to ENB.

    5. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      I remember meeting Obama back in the day, he did coke then raped an 8 year old

    6. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      Interestingly enough, all of these former friends and colleagues are Democrats and Progressives. Color me shocked.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A federal judge has temporarily struck down several gun restrictions in New York.

    Somehow this doesn't translate into gun rights in NY.

    1. Anomalous   3 years ago

      Supreme Court decisions don't apply to New York.

      1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        Build The Wall.

    2. ChristineChilders   3 years ago (edited)

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  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Elon Musk and David Sacks have both discussed putting all of Twitter behind a paywall eventually

    BLUE CHECKS CAN'T AFFORD THAT

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Most of the blue checks barely make enough to pay their rent. They will have to ask mommy and daddy for more money if Musk does this. It is just more evidence that "Space Man Bad"!!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago (edited)

        Just wait for the screaming when they get tossed off dad’s Netflix account.

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      I'm sure they did "discuss" it, because when you're brainstorming you write down every idea. I suspect they also looked at it from a practical perspective and realized that'd be shooting themselves in the head from a business perspective. The value of Twitter is in having lots of people -- nearly everyone on the internet, in fact -- be able to read the brilliant messages from Twitter users.

  9. JesseAz   3 years ago

    True The Vote leaders were sentenced to contempt of court for not telling feds how they found out about election registration data being accessible by China. They refused to give up their source. Feds did arrest people at the company. But the 2 leaders were sentenced to jail. Judge has ordered them released.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/court-orders-true-vote-leaders-released-jail

    1. Nelson   3 years ago

      True the Vote is a terrible organization that isn't in touch with reality.

      That said, they should not have to reveal their source. If it turns out there was a violation, where they found out shouldn't matter. If there wasn't any violation, then it's a bit murkier. But I still think they shouldn't have to reveal their source.

    2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Yes, the Circuit Court sprung 'em after a week in the cooler...but did not otherwise disturb the District Court's order. The defendants are still obliged to comply with the TRO.

      (I like how Troof Social's cookie policy gives you no option to reject non-essential cookies; you get only two choices: "Learn More" and "Accept"!)

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        So your argument is the government should be able to jail people for not revealing their internal information?

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Aren't you the inquisitive one today!

          I believe in the rule of law, and "the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that federal courts possess inherent authority to punish contempt—i.e., disobedience of a court order or obstruction of justice—and to impose other sanctions on parties or attorneys who engage in misconduct."

          Tellingly, the Circuit Court did not strike down the District Court's TRO, so it does look like the parties' refusal to "reveal their internal information" might not be as innocuous as you suggest.

          Gaol is somewhat of an extreme punishment, but then again, I wasn't there to see and hear what was said. Could have been worse; the judge could have imposed the "Alex Jones" solution...

          1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

            Protecting sources is a long held belief for those of us who actually believe that laws are subservient to the Constitution. So, basically fuck off. All laws in the US are subservient to the Constitution, any law that violated the Constitution is void.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              Not that I believe journalists should have special rights, but these people aren't even "journalists": they should be treated the same as any other defendant in a civil case. There is no overriding right to "protect sources" in civil litigation.

              In any event, the defendants aren't "protecting sources" at all: they claim to have been working with the FBI and, indeed, to have provided the name of the individual to the FBI already. Some "protection"!

              CIVIL ACTION NO. 4:22-CV-03096

            2. Nelson   3 years ago

              True the Vote is an advocacy organization, not a press organization. The Constitution specifically provides protections for freedom of the press due to (among various other societal benefits) its ability to hold government accountable.

              An advocacy organization isn't the press, and True the Vote isn't a press organization. Please don't conflate the two.

              1. Town Crier   3 years ago

                I don't know about the "protection" for journalists or news media specifically by "freedom of the press" . We're they called the press back then? Or was "freedom of the press" meant for you and I as individuals to be free to print our free thoughts in mass production as well as speak them under freedom of speech? I can't think of any other rights being specified for any certain group like "the press". For instance you and I have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right to petition for redress, the right to bear arms etc... but freedom of the press only belonging to journalists, authors am so on. I'm just positing another way to look at it.

          2. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

            Pressing for sources is a long held strategy for the government to punish journalists they disagree with, e.g. it's a way to circumvent freedom of the press.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              True the Vote aren't journalists.

          3. JesseAz   3 years ago

            You could have said yes. You agree with jailing for someone who is merely a witness to a crime or someone who has information on a crime even when they didn't commit or abet the crime.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              I haven't read all the documents. But they're available, if you'd like a gander.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Former friends and colleagues of Arizona Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake "say they remember her far differently from the candidate they see today."

    When a hit piece misses.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, in her first opinion since taking office over the summer, objected Monday to the Supreme Court's decision not side with an Ohio death row inmate's claim...

    Booooooooorrrrrrrrrrring.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Skin colors or didn't happen.

    2. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

      This was a trial surrounding a Louisiana man who was convicted of sex trafficking. I would give death sentence on that alone. Anthony was convicted in 2015 on two counts of aggravated rape as well as human trafficking and other charges.

      Is this Sotomayor just out to insult 7 other Justices?
      Writing for the pair, Sotomayor said the prosecutor’s testimony was “one of the most egregious instances of prosecutorial testimony amounting to prosecutorial misconduct.”

      1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        That's a lie. Kamala has the market cornered on procecutorial misconduct

  12. JesseAz   3 years ago

    While the DoJ and J6 committee go after trumps lawyers and former administration arguing he has no executive privilege, jen psaki is claiming privilege in depositions involving social media and the white house.

    Psaki has in the past admitted that the Biden administration was flagging people’s speech to social media platforms.
    .
    The DOJ argued that Psaki’s deposition would result in a debate over executive privilege considering she was a top adviser to President Joe Biden.
    .
    The DOJ lawyer said: “If permitted to proceed, the deposition of Ms. Psaki would inevitably set the Executive and Judicial Branches ‘on a collision course’ through adjudications of executive privilege, thrusting the court into ‘the awkward position of evaluating the Executive’s claims of confidentiality and autonomy,’ and ‘difficult questions of separation of powers and checks and balances’ would quickly be pushed to the fore.”

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Executive privilege only applies when it doesn't implicate Orange Man Bad, which is the fundamental principle of due process and government in this country now.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Democracy can only be safe with one party rule.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Pushing difficult questions to the fore? Yes, well, obviously we can’t have that sort of thing now can we?

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        You know who asked people questions with great difficulty?

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Awaiting the Feds to raid her attorneys' offices and seize all of their documents (other than Hunter's kiddie porn) any day now....

    4. Nelson   3 years ago

      I know you want this to be some sort of double standard or hypocrisy, but it's just a typical deference to executive privilege. What you don't like is that executive privilege only shields the sitting President and his staff.

      You seem to think a permanent privilege wouldn't be abused to hide wrongdoing, incompetence, bias, or embarrassment.

      The only way to assure accountability in government is to make sure there is an end date for broad powers like Executive Privilege.

      Once Biden leaves office he will no longer be able to claim the privilege for himself and his staff (present and former). At that point it's all fair game. You just have to wait it out.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        What you don’t like is that executive privilege only shields the sitting President and his staff.

        This is an assertion that makes privelege meaningless and opens up a prior president to all sorts of legal/investigation attacks. Turley and other constitutional lawyers have often commented on this. Prior to Trump, Executive privelege was always respect as longer than the presidential term.

        The only way to assure accountability in government is to make sure there is an end date for broad powers like Executive Privilege.

        What was the end date prior to Trump?

        It's okay to admit you are for lawfare and attacking prior presidents, especially Trump, in any manner the concurrent president can. Hope you maintain this belief after Biden leaves office.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          I found this article that does a good job of detailing the nuance and history of Executive Privilege. It seems like the Presidential Records Act clearly put the controlling authority in the hands of the sitting President, but doesn't prevent a former President from asserting EP.

          https://www.voanews.com/a/can-a-former-us-president-claim-executive-privilege-over-his-presidential-records-/6724702.html

          "This is an assertion that makes privelege meaningless"

          I disagree. It is a protection to allow a President to receive frank advice, not a black hole to stuff any embarrassing, illegal, or controversial documents into. There has to be an end date or, even better, have the sitting President control the assertion of privilege. Sooner or later the public deserves to know what was happening in the White House.

          "opens up a prior president to all sorts of legal/investigation attacks"

          If they have done something illegal, that's a good thing. Presidents aren't exempt from laws, even if they are briefly shielded when they are in office.

          "Prior to Trump, Executive privelege was always respect as longer than the presidential term."

          That's just factually incorrect. The last time it was an issue was Richard Nixon in the 1970s and that went to the Supreme Court, who ruled that even when asserted by a sitting President it isn't absolute. It hasn't been asserted by ex-Presidents very often in the entire history of America.

          "It’s okay to admit you are for lawfare and attacking prior presidents"

          I'm not. But I am highly skeptical of government in general and Presidents/Congress in particular. I believe a mechanism that could hide wrongdoing, with no checks and balances, that isn't reviewable by anyone else would be abused by every single President. To the detriment of the country.

          "Hope you maintain this belief after Biden leaves office."

          I will. I'm not a partisan hack. Democrats are just as likely to be criminals and hucksters as Republicans.

          If you believe that one party is virtuous and one is diabolical, you aren't paying attention. Or you're naive and credulous.

  13. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

    Nate Silver's number crunching disagrees with my gut feeling on the Senate.

    Republicans have a 59% chance of winning the Senate, according to our final Deluxe forecast. It's closer in our alternative models: R chances are 51% in the Lite (polls-only) forecast, and also 51% in Classic (polls + fundamentals but no expert ratings).

    I still think Republicans are underdogs for Senate control. If I'm wrong I promise not to blame Russians or Elon Musk or Jim Crow.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      If Silver is admitting they are favored, it is almost certain to happen. Silver's entire career is based on misusing statistical analysis to tell happy stories to Progs. If he is being forced to admit the Republicans are favored, it is because he sees no possible way the Democrats can win.

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        How many polls does it take to screw up a forecast?

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          The beautiful thing about Silver's con is that he never actually makes any predictions. Things like elections are one time events. You can run them back a hundred times to see how often each result occurs. If Silver says a particular result is 99% likely to occur and it doesn't, he can just say the 1% happened. He is never actually wrong because he never makes predictions.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            So, like the Fed?

          2. BYODB   3 years ago

            Two jobs where you can be wrong most of the time and still be employed:

            Weather forecaster

            Election predictor

            1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

              What are fed economists chopped liver?

              1. perlmonger   3 years ago

                Not yet, but I'll rent a woodchipper if you can round 'em up...

          3. swillfredo pareto   3 years ago

            If Silver says a particular result is 99% likely to occur and it doesn’t, he can just say the 1% happened.

            That may be his defense, but he only gets to say that one out of each one hundred times he says there is a 99% probability. He makes enough predictions to test his forecasting skills. For the discrete outcomes he gives a 75% chance of occurring, three out of the four times he should be right. For the 2022 national elections he is proudly announcing he has the same accuracy as an NFL referee at the coin toss.

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              That is not true. If he only predicted the same kind of events, that is how it would work. He predicts all kinds of one time occurrences. So, there is absolutely no way to tell if his predictions have any relationship to reality.

      2. Nelson   3 years ago

        "Silver’s entire career is based on misusing statistical analysis to tell happy stories to Progs."

        Apparently you are forgetting the shitstorm that was directed at Silver when his prediction of a Trump victory was much higher than everyone else in 2016. And he always breaks down and explains all of the elements that go into the projections. Each state is assessed separately with historical data from all of the polls that factor in. If you want to binge on data geekery, here is the analysis from 2016:

        https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

        That's an awful lot of data and explanation for someone who "misuses" statistical analysis. Apparently he sucks at being a partisan hack because he shows his work. All of it.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago (edited)

      No, Republicans are heavily favored to win the Senate. They only need a net gain of one, and the only close toss-up race with an outgoing Republican is Pennsylvania. Furthermore, many toss-up states have been at least partially deFortified. Dems just need to mess up one election theft to lose.

    3. Nelson   3 years ago

      "I still think Republicans are underdogs for Senate control."

      I think the only thing Republicans are underdogs for is a veto-proof majority in the Senate. Worst case, Republicans get 52. Best case they get 56.

      The House should be even worse for the Ds. Probably around 240-198 in favor of the GOP at the least.

      Democrats are going to get slaughtered. Not quite as bad as they would have if Roe were still around, but it'll be the difference between a sliced femoral and a sliced jugular.

      Dobbs can't overcome inflation. Dems bet that the stimulus wouldn't cause inflation (dumbasses) and that, even if it did, it wouldn't rise by much and the strong jobs market would balance it out. It was a terrible bet and they are about to pay dearly for it.

  14. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Somehow ENB managed to miss Illinois's Amendment 1:

    PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE 1970 ILLINOIS CONSTITUTION

    EXPLANATION OF AMENDMENT

    The proposed amendment would add a new section to the Bill of Rights Article of the Illinois Constitution that would guarantee workers the fundamental right to organize and to bargain collectively and to negotiate wages, hours, and working conditions, and to promote their economic welfare and safety at work. The new amendment would also prohibit from being passed any new law that interferes with, negates, or diminishes the right of employees to organize and bargain collectively over their wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment and workplace safety. At the general election to be held on November 8, 2022, you will be called upon to decide whether the proposed amendment should become part of the Illinois Constitution. For the proposed addition of Section 25 to Article I of the Illinois Constitution.

    The so-called "Workers Right Amendment".

    Illinois Policy Institute: "Amendment 1 would guarantee that the typical Illinois family pays at least $2,149 in higher property tax bills over the next four years, no matter which politicians hold office or whether they follow through on their campaign promises. This is a conservative estimate, assuming the rapid growth of Illinois’ property tax burden holds steady. It’s likely property taxes would grow at an even faster rate, because Amendment 1 would give Illinois government unions unprecedented bargaining powers that don’t exist in any other state."

    The Chicago Tribune Editorial Board: "Simply put, the Illinois Constitution then would ban any right-to-work laws (not that Illinois actually has any such law), and employers would be able to require workers to pay dues to unions as a condition of employment — something unions generally like because it can otherwise be challenging to collect those dues. Individual workers would not be able to choose whether or not they wanted to be a dues-paying member of a union if one was bargaining for them at their workplace.

    Basically, this is retaliation for Janus v. AFSCME.

    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Dang, and I thought our California propositions suck!

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        You're free to relocate to any of the Lower 49

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Someday maybe (PLEASE GOD!) For now, I truly AM stuck in California (yeah yeah, someone else has the name. I know, I know). There are certain life circumstances which for no w are insurmountable. Suffice it to say, the VERY same small area in Santa Clara Valley in which I was TRULY blessed to be born and grow up in is the very same area I am now TRULY cursed to be stuck in. That happened , RAPIDLY I might add, under the left wing fascist super majority One Party regime. And Shiticon is, by all proggy (did I mention left wing fascists?) an economic BOON!! So why did my comfortably middle class-to-upper middle class area turn into a multi-GAZILLION dollar SHITHOLE?! This (supposedly) isn’t a rust belt dying economy, it’s the example for California to follow and (per Biden) for the nation to follow! And I’m telling ya, it’s turned to SHIT!! That’s not m politics talking, that’s my memory!

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            You must mean Gilroy/San Martin and not the shithole that is Morgan Hill

            1. Utkonos   3 years ago

              Mountain View (where I was born and raised)/Sunnyvale (next door where I now live)

              1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                Very nice. Mountain View has a nice downtown and Shoreline; of course the Googleplex. Sunnyvale and Cupertino are like twin cities that live in the shadow of their overachieving sister city, Santa Clara.

                I live about 20 away from you in Fremont (the jewel of south Alameda County). I grew up in Gilroy then Soquel (home of the first Electric Kool Aid Acid parties)

          2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            My sympathies, Utkonos! For you to be able to maintain your humor while living there makes you one Helluva punster! Here's hoping you can don a Snake Plisken eye-patch and make your escape one day soon.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Kinda like what the UN told us, about being on a highway to hell with their foot on the accelerator.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Too local.

    4. Demosthenes of Athens   3 years ago

      The unions have been ruinous to this state. We have terrible employment and union rules, high taxes, and some of the most expensive workers-comp rules in the country. They've done enough damage.

      There's also the weasel phrase "and other terms and conditions of employment and workplace safety" that's in there. I really don't see any limits here, meaning teachers unions could strike over curriculum, wiping out the authority of the school boards.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        There are no limits to what these unions could dictate under Amendment 1. And (for those of you from outside Illinois), the amendment only affects government employees such as public school teachers. If you're in private industry and belong to a union, it does not help you.

  15. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    Finally. At long last, Judgment Day is here. The day of reckoning for you leftie scum and the almost three years of hell, chaos, and mayhem you bastards have unleashed on this country.

    Let's get this over with people, and then we can start focusing on which piece of shit lying criminal in this administration we're going to impeach and hopefully incarcerate first. There's so many it's going to be hard to know where to even start.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      We can only hope. It won't really be retribution unless that bitch Wittmer goes down. No one in the history of republican government has deserved to lose an election more than that evil bitch.

      1. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

        an ugly woman too.
        It is her stupidity that enhances the ugliness. Recently she forewent the word woman for :
        Michigan's Whitmer refers to women as 'people with a period' in final midterm pitch to voters

        She is not as lazy or stupid as Biden or that pre-teen asss Kamala but pure Democrat material.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          It is her stupidity that enhances the ugliness

          Nice verbal juxtaposition

    2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      My vote today is a gigantic middle finger to current DC leadership.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Mikey, is this going to be as big as the Durham investigation?

      You know, the "biggest political scandal in history"? You and Fatass Donnie were all over that controversy.

    4. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Did you have any "high crimes and misdemeanors" in mind, or is that something you'll just make up later?

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago (edited)

        Knowingly and willfully violating constitutional limitations on executive authority.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        What high crimes and misdemeanors did Trump commit?

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Perjury in a civil case?

          (That might be a joke. Please stay tuned for further information.)

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            So the prior impeachment were..

      3. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

        How about we start with using the DOJ to direct the censoring of “misinformation” harmful to Democrats winning elections.

      4. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        The grounds are maladministration of office.

  16. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Montana (LR-131), and Vermont (Proposal 5). Passage of the California, Michigan, or Vermont proposals would expand reproductive freedom; passage of the Kentucky proposal would restrict it. The Montana proposal is a weird one.

    First it always amuses me reason pretends there is no libertarian debate on abortion. They just assume abortion is supported despite the arguments involving 2 individual rights.

    ENB also uses democrat euphemisms like reproductive freedom. Sad but amusing.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      ENB is a Democrat in Libertarian clothing.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        More like a Democrat in a Libertarian bikini. She doesn't really make much effort to cover herself

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          She’s yet to learn there’s a difference between libertarian and libertine. Probably because she’s not very bright.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            But clearly into sex, with a public dimension. So anything that encumbers that is bad.

            1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

              But anything that cucumbers... 🙂

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Some of us are eating here.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            Our apologies. ENB is in a Libertarian G-string.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Can't get the taste out of my mouth after that one, puke, not ENB.

        3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          What does her rack look like? I presume a white bikini which will offset the golden brown tan she gets from a week in the Mazatlan sun.

          "Me amas, mi amor?"
          "Si, guera."
          "Por que los hombres libertarios son tan idiotas?"
          "No se, guera. Ahorra hazme un sammich!"

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I guess that, like with religion, freedom of reproduction means freedom from reproduction. With no external costs.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        All disagreement is rooted in stupidity and/or evil. In this case ENB is evil. It's the only explanation.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          I see you couldn't be bothered to read his actual comment before childly responding with nonsense.

      2. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

        Religion unlike other things is social or it is nothing.
        The external costs are what we call 'conscience'
        The sin of killing a baby is probably first in the laziness of mind that allows you to do it.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Religion and conscience are separate things. As are religion and morality. Religion is neither inherently good nor inherently evil.

          A religious upbringing doesn't correlate to a moral life, nor development of a conscience.

          Almost no one believes they're killing a baby when they get an abortion (except for pro-life hypocrites). You just refuse to accept that most people don't share your beliefs about when life begins.

    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      "True" libertarians are social conservatives. Anyone else is a leftist.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        I see you couldn’t be bothered to read my actual comment before childly responding with nonsense.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          I did read your comment, and your comment is stupid.
          There is no debate because there is no such thing as a libertarians. There are only Republicans and leftists. You've made that abundantly clear.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

            I see you continue to respond with childish nonsense.

            Do you have an argument to make or just doing the usual idiotic trolling?

            Also I would like a citation on your assertion as I literally call out the libertarian debate on abortion in my post. Your assertion makes zero sense based on what I stated. I've also never stated there are only 2 parties. You once again do what you always accuse others of.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              It's because you're lying. What I say about you is true. What you say is a lie. That's your rules.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Is this where you accuse others of doing things you are literally doing now? Do you have a citation of me doing that? I provide you citations of your past statements. So I expect you have some examples you would like to share with the community.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Glad we settled on youre being an idiot.

    4. Nelson   3 years ago

      "They just assume abortion is supported despite the arguments involving 2 individual rights."

      Libertarian support for choice is virtually identical to the general public's (60-66% in favor of choice). Those who believe there are two people involved oppose abortion due to the NAP. For those who don't, it's a freedom vs. government force issue.

      It's not that hard to grasp.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Yet ENB doesn’t.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          What doesn't she grasp? That most people are pro-choice and support legal abortion in all or most cases? That support for restricting abortion before 20 weeks is a coin flip? That before 16 weeks America is clearly pro-choice?

          She seems to grasp that pretty well. She just speaks for liberty intereats in a realm in which you oppose liberty.

  17. JesseAz   3 years ago

    But neither measure's passage would result in bail being more flexible or more fair.

    Define fair. Same bail amount fixed to the crime. Or shifting bail amount based on a bank account. My guess is ENB prefers the latter which isn't actually fair.

  18. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/07/voters-blame-democrats-poor-economy-inflation-00065325

    Voters often treat midterm elections as a referendum on the president and his party, which suggests that support for Democrats is on the wane, and many polling averages indicate that voters are more inclined to vote for Republicans as a result. The POLITICO-Morning Consult poll is an outlier on this question, showing support for Democratic congressional candidates at 48 percent, five points above support for Republican candidates.

    The poll continued to show economic issues at top of mind for voters, with 78 percent saying both the economy and inflation will play a “major role” in how they cast their ballots. By contrast, 61 percent of voters said crime would play a major role in their voting decisions this year and 57 percent said the same about abortion access.

    1. HorseConch   3 years ago

      I'm sure the wording of the poll was very straightforward. When the issues that matter most favor the opposite party, it's hard to take the poll as even semi-accurate.

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        It's also a massive outlier. Most polls show Republicans up by 2-5%: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

  19. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-congressman-slams-bidens-midterm-closing-argument-it-was-mistake

    One Democrat is calling President Biden's midterm strategy a "mistake" hours before the midterm elections.

    In USA Today's "Why Biden's closing argument worries some Democrats and could miss the mark with midterm voters," Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., argued the president's midterm focus on democracy instead of the economy was wrong-headed. "That was a mistake," he told the outlet. Khanna suggested Biden should've made an economic argument about how he was bringing manufacturing jobs to America. "I've been saying for months that we need to frame this election as an economic choice," the California Democrat said.

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      I think the democrats will be very amenable to impeachment.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Which is why if Republicans were smart (they’re not) they would leave Biden alone and make Democrats get rid of him after he whips it out on stage, and go after people in his cabinet instead. (Garland, Yellen, then Granholm would be my preferred order, so much to be exposed).

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Let's hope that a President Cackles will be enough incentive to leave Biden on stage.

        2. Utkonos   3 years ago

          “Who’s yellen? I’m barely mumbling!” — President Joseph R Biden, Jr

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          Which is why if Republicans were smart (they’re not) they would leave Biden alone and make Democrats get rid of him after he whips it out on stage, and go after people in his cabinet instead.

          Yeah, anyone with a brain has seen that Biden is just a figurehead who doesn't drive the agenda.

          I don't think they could make the ones you listed stick with the possible exception of Garland, and Yellin's already making noise about leaving, but Mayorkas? I'm willing to bet there's a number of Democrats who would be fine with throwing that Nosferatu-looking freak under the bus if it would sate the GOP for the next couple of years, assuming he doesn't resign first.

        4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          Don't forget Blinken and Mayorkas.

          I don't want to see Fauci and Collins impeached, though; they deserve prison.

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        They won't be. If there's one thing the Democrats can do, it's circling the wagons. If Republicans try to impeach Biden out of office, the Dems will make that the hill they die on. Which will make it hilarious when some Dems bring up 25th amendment-ing him after their emphatic, unanimous "nay" on impeachment.

        1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          The Turtle would never stand for it, anyway. As long as he wields power, nothing will change.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      That’s actually my congressman. Please note that he thinks the Democrats actually HAVE an economic case to make after all they’ve done. I’m sure he really does , too—this IS Shiticon after all, and proggies made my beloved Santa Clara Valley into that. I voted for his I’ll-fated Republican challenger who, interestingly enough l, is also Indian. At least that guy stressed that the super/majority one party regime we have in California is, er, not a good thing. (No Libertarian candidates AT ALL on my ballot, btw)

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        I loved the rash of articles explaining how effective Mr Shitty pants has been. The fact that everything he has accomplished has harmed the country never makes it into those articles.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        (No Libertarian candidates AT ALL on my ballot, btw)

        Was that the result of the state's dumb election rules that were designed to ensure Dem super-majorities?

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago (edited)

          Yep, sure was. There was also one office for which both candidates were Democrats. I deliberately left that blank. For the record, in the hypothetical—VERY VERY hypothetical!!-case that there had been two Republicans I would have left that blank too. Sure, that’s a matter of principle but to be honest, I simply don’t take kindly to galling insults.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Yeah, a choice between a marxist and a neolib isn't any choice at all.

          2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

            I started writing in cartoon characters for the one-candidate races on my ballot.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              I don't get that option. If a write-in candidate isn't approved by the election boards in Illinois, you don't get the space to write in a candidate of your choice.

            2. Utkonos   3 years ago

              BREAKING NEWS: Election Officials are reporting a number of Bugs in their ballot counting

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                Last name "Bunny"?

                1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                  The culprit is being hunted down—vewy vewy quietly.

              2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                "Of course you know, this means war...". 😉

        2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

          Was that the result of the state’s dumb election rules that were designed to ensure Dem super-majorities?

          Most years, yes, but this year the L party didn't even actually run anybody anywhere in the Bay Area, and hardly ran anyone anywhere in the state. Part of their new strategy of concentrating on places where they actually have a chance.

          What was notable this time was that where I am due to the 'reform' rules usually you get to choose between a Democrat and a Democrat, or if you're lucky you might get to choose a Green or a Peace and Freedom. This year every single race had a Republican in it.

          I voted for more Republicans in this election than I have in the entire rest of my life combined, and I don't even really like most of these people. I'm just sick to death of the Democrat machine that runs the state.

          1. Utkonos   3 years ago

            Yes, I was surprised that there was only one Democrat/Democrat choice on my ballot, it’s usually way more. I voted straight Republican and—Libertarian voter here since 1988 (I did vote for Reagan in my first election as a high school senior in 84)—I didn’t even hold my nose while doing it—-I needed a free hand to give the super majority regime the bird!

      3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        I'm jealous. I have Swallwell. He is fucking odious. Talk about someone who needs to be shot and killed up Lake Herman road

      4. Nelson   3 years ago

        "That’s actually my congressman."

        Isn't he in the progressive caucus? I mean that as a serious question. I think he is, but you would know better than I.

  20. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

    Most Important Election of the Century is here! Yet, I've a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that not much will change. Oh well, weed should be legal in my state by the end of the day.

    1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      Enjoy the Stoners Paradise that you are on the verge of knowing. Hopefully your state isn't too stupid to lose money selling weed because they can't keep their porcine snouts from the trough of taxable revenue.

      Delivery is even better.
      "Hola! Se vende marihuana, wey?"
      "Si, pendajo!"

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      "Oh well, weed should be legal in my state by the end of the day."

      From your lips to God's ears. I haven't smoked weed in years, but any time restrictions on personal use are rolled back it's a step in the right direction.

  21. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Finally, Arizona and Arkansas voters will consider proposals that would curb use of the direct democracy process itself by requiring supermajorities for many ballot measures and, in Arizona's case, imposing some other new constraints.

    These are changes to the state constitution. Constitutiona are set up to require more than majority to change. Their very essence is to protect the rights of individuals against a state. They should be harder to change rather than a simple majority. If it was a simple majority they are no better than a random law in protecting your rights. Just sad to see this shit printed here.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Yeah, the democracy zealots can't or won't see that deciding every human relationship question with a simple majority might not end well.

      Personally, I would also like to see the same standards applied to elections, either a super-majority of voters or a majority of not just votes cast but of eligible voters.

      1. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

        Whatever you refer to it is not the American Founding which in many cases demands 2/3 or a super-majority or in the case of the ratification of the Consitution 3/4. Simple majority was an idea roundly MOCKED in the debates. Get an education.

    2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      AZ ballot initiatives:

      1. Legislature is trying to lower their threshold to overturn voter initiatives from 75% to 50-60%. Voted No.

      2. Voter initiatives should be single item, just like the legislature is required to do. Votes Yes. No Omnibus for anybody.

      3. Voter initiatives that raise taxes require 60% approval. Votes YES!!!

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Vote out Kliff Kingsbury

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          notable as first NFL head coach hired on good looks alone.

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            To paraphrase Lorenzo Lamas, "Better to look good than to be good"

            1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

              I thought that was Billy Crystal's character Fernando:

              Billy Crystal--"You Look Marvelous" (1985)
              https://youtu.be/hXydX9p_ZxA

              1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                Oh, I see... 🙂
                How Did Fernando Lamas Feel About Billy Crystal's Impression of Him? | Where Are They Now | OWN
                https://youtu.be/jRrXkwRL648

  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Abortion-related initiatives are on the ballot in five states—California (Proposition 1), Kentucky (Amendment 2), Michigan (Proposal 3), Montana (LR-131), and Vermont (Proposal 5). Passage of the California, Michigan, or Vermont proposals would expand reproductive freedom; passage of the Kentucky proposal would restrict it."

    Good to know that the official libertarian position is pro-abortion. I mean, if we can call it "freedom" then is surely enhances both liberty and accountability, right?

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Unrestricted abortion is certainly a manifestation of "reproductive freedom" for women, but it is also potentially homicide of an unborn human being.

      Most people somehow manage to ignore one of the above.

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      Most libertarians are pro-choice. And as libertarianism supports individual autonomy and resists government coersion, pro-choice is libertarian by principle as well as by belief.

      So pro-choice is kinda doubly libertarian.

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/3724748-zelensky-only-open-to-genuine-peace-negotiations-with-russia/

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Monday that his country is open to “genuine peace negotiations” with Russia, but that such negotiations in the past have led to “insane Russian responses.”

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      I forget, is the West improperly influencing him to engage in peace talks with Putin, or improperly influencing him to reject peace talks with Putin?

      Today: "The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, according to people familiar with the discussions."

      April: "Johnson brought two simple messages to Kyiv. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not. We can sign [an agreement] with you [Ukraine], but not with him. Anyway, he will screw everyone over", is how one of Zelenskyy's close associates summed up the essence of Johnson's visit."

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        I forget, is the West improperly influencing him to engage in peace talks with Putin, or improperly influencing him to reject peace talks with Putin?

        Depends, what position are you taking?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          I think SoCkSoCkPeDo is taking the bottom.

          1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

            No, that's Scato.

          2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            ZING....wow....that was funny

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      Grandpa Joe is encouraging him to negotiate. The "Putin's Price Hike" bullshit didn't work out for him.

  24. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

    Most Important Election of the Century is here! Yet, I've a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that not much will change.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      I was totally serious when I said that no matter who controls Congress, Biden will still get as many billions as he wants for this fun proxy war with Russia.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        He totally will. The only thing that might happen is the Republicans in Congress will ask where some of the money is going. That will be very embarrassing and uncomfortable for Biden, but Ukraine is still going to get paid.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Is the money for his proxy war or to protect his and his colleagues investments in the area?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Yes

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'The state could only pass a law that impinges on freedom of religion if it demonstrates that this law "is in furtherance of a compelling government interest; and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling government interest."'

    When's the last time you saw a non-compelling government interest, at least in their eyes?

    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Um…..Hold on, I have to leaf through all the talking points (and I just received a buttload more this morning)…Ah, here it is:
      Just shut up about that already!!

    2. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

      No, you are wrong there most especially on the foundational issue of who controls that freedom

      n many state constitutions, the provisions dealing with the relationship of church and state differ substantially from the federal establishment clause. fidelity to state constitutional mandates requires that state courts not dismiss the state constitution and decide issues solely based on the first amendment, but rather give effect to the distinctive state constitutional perspective.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Do you understand that the first part of my post was quoted from ENB's article?

  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "U.S. District Judge Glenn Suddaby agreed in a Monday filing to put a pause on enforcement for parts of the state's new Concealed Carry Improvement Act, including provisions that required people applying for a gun license to prove "good moral character" and provide a list of their social media accounts and their family contact information."

    Why does he hate democracy?

    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

      I like him! Sounds like a real pistol!

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        Dude is always shooting his mouth off.

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          I’ll bet the twitterati are blasting him! He could have dodged the bullet by not taking this case!

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Give them both barrels!

            1. Utkonos   3 years ago

              Team Blue is triggered!

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'Here's another "human trafficking operation" in which police simply posed as adult sex workers and arrested people who tried to pay them for sex. This one, called Operation Century Week, has been blessed—and hyped—by California Attorney General Rob Bonta's office and was assisted by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI. "Tackling human trafficking in our state takes cooperation and a multi-pronged approach," said Bonta, calling the stings a means to "help protect people against exploitation."'

    It also leverages the skills of police officers and lets them try alternate genders and positions.

    1. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

      LIke I say, this only proves you never read the news
      At last month’s 40th Congress of the Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party (PSOE), Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez pledged to ban prostitution in Spain. “We will move forward abolishing the prostitution that enslaves women”

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Jesus. Learn to read (and recognize quotes).

  28. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Remember this, at the polls today.

    https://www.wane.com/top-stories/national-gas-price-average-ticks-up-first-time-in-last-month/

    For the first time in the last month, the nation’s average gas price has increased, rising 6.2 cents from a week ago to $3.78 per gallon Monday according to GasBuddy data compiled from more than 11 million individual price reports covering over 150,000 gas stations across the country. The national average is down 11.5 cents from a month ago but stands 37.8 cents per gallon higher than a year ago. The national average price of diesel has risen 3.4 cents in the last week and stands at $5.32 per gallon.

    This is due to Sleepy Joe and his attempts to ban drilling.

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      POTUS Biden, and all the people who voted for him owe me fucking gas money.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      $3.78/gallon? We’re sighing with nostalgia in California…

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        More importantly, what is the most common gas price?

      2. damikesc   3 years ago

        Aren't y'all roughly double that amount now?

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          In parts of the state

        2. Utkonos   3 years ago

          $5.452 per gallon in the Golden Shower (But No Really, It’s Rain) State

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            It is a privilege to pay that much. As long as "Any Twosome" Newsom remains atop Mount Sacramentis. The greats.....Nixon, Reagan, Pete Wilson, George Deukmejian are are all pushing up the daisies

            1. Utkonos   3 years ago

              Aren’t Wilson and Dukmeijan still alive? As for Reagan, any daisies he’s pushing up probably land in YOUR State..given how violently he!s turning over in his grave!

              1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                Dukemejian passed away in 2018 at the age of 90; Wilson is still chugging away at the ripe old age of 90

              2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                Yeah. The days of common sense politicians like the Great Communicator are long gone. This country could use another 8 years of The Gipper

                1. Utkonos   3 years ago (edited)

                  I shook Dukmeijian’s hand once at a rally at San Diego State University—very weak, clammy icky handshake, just repeating “Yes,yes” to everyone regardless of what they had said to hm. I know those events must be tedious, but come ON!! I only supported him because I despised Bradley anyway…

                  1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                    Those really are the worst. Better to walk away than countenance a weak handshake.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Gas is $2.99 in Georgia.

      No inflation here.

      Back in 2008 gas was over $4.00. But Dubya was POTUS so no one complained.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        OK, asshole.

        https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

        Georgia, 2012: $3.29 on the chart.
        Georgia, 2022: $4.48 peak on the chart.
        Through Trump's Presidency, it's between $1.57 at the low and $2.75 at the high.

        You lose, thanks for playing.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          facts schmacts anyone can prove anything with facts.

          1. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

            That would mean you must be wrong because if you are right, it's a fact 🙂

      2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Yep, nothing unusual happened in 2008 that drove gas prices to (then) all-time highs.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Shrike pulls the same trick with 2020 figures when he can.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            For some reason Shrike thinks we're all stupid even though we have access to charts and prices like the Gas Buddy link I posted above.

            1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

              I love that app...

  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'Former friends and colleagues of Arizona Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake "say they remember her far differently from the candidate they see today."'

    Behind the NYT paywall. But I bet totally unbiased reporting.

    1. MasterThief   3 years ago

      She openly talks about how she used to be a Democrat. I assume the hit piece revolves around her recent conversion to GOP

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Millions of liberals and leftists are being orphaned by the establishment left's move to fascism and depravity.

        1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

          This is the real story, but it's missed by Progressives like ENB while they push further and further leftward.

    2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      No time for voter cubes
      Let's talk about those boobs

  30. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

    "A guide to 2022 governor's races."

    And whose face is at the top of the picture? Notorious election denier Stacey Abrams of course! Wonder how she'll react if she loses again.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Badly. Abrams is now a two time loser and someone the Democrats would like to go away. She has her own organization and is never going to go away. Since she is a black woman, the Democrats can never make her go away. So, she will continue to be an angry, crazy, gift that keeps on giving to Republicans in Georgia.

      1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        Do not make the mistake of underestimating her (Abrams). That woman is not stupid. She is a true believer. Abrams has to be decisively crushed at the ballot box so she is no longer a meaningful influence on GA politics.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          No, she's not a stupid woman, but she also doesn't know when to get out of her own way, and her entitlement streak and self-aggrandizement turns off a lot of DNC party members as well, no matter what kind of hagiographic treatment she gets from the press.

          Rumor has it she was in the top 2 or 3 candidates for the VP slot, but she proved to be way too thirsty for the job than the party was comfortable with, and acted like the position was a birthright instead of demonstrating how she would act in the interests of the Democrats rather than herself. Harris got the nod because she is, first and foremost, a party creature who won't rock the boat.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Perhaps Abrams would be happier in New Orleans.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              I'd rather she go to Haiti.

              1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

                Is that because she's from Haiti, or because you just think that's where people like her should go?

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        The DNC marginalized Cynthia McKinney with little trouble, they wouldn't have any issue doing the same thing with Abrams if they think she's a liability. There's always someone in Atlanta they can find to whine about "voter suppression," and Abrams is eminently replaceable in that regard.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Abrams has something McKinney never had; an organization and a group of true believer followers. She is going to be very hard to marginalize and can't be replaced by the next black woman in line.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            That's a good point, but if she thinks she's going to be a thorn in her own party's side to get what she wants, she's going to be in for a rude surprise. If Kemp wins as expected, that's two elections she failed to take, and if Warnock beats Walker, she can't even run for Senator for god knows how long. As Bernie showed, pissing off the DNC is not something that's good for anyone's electoral prospects if they're a Democrat.

            1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

              We need Louise Jefferson and her svengali Mother

      3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Biden humiliates Abrams on MSNBC

        https://youtu.be/9_R8C3Oxz-M?t=55

      4. JimboJr   3 years ago

        putting diversity hires on a pedestal is the political equivalent of sticking your dick in crazy

    2. Anomalous   3 years ago

      Why is she never called an election denier?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Because she's a Democrat.

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Because that election was Stolen from her through Voter Suppression.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Our election denier is their brave hero. And vice-versa.

  31. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

    In another edition of "Democrats are deceitful marxist assholes," from the Daily Fail:

    'There are strategic ways to do it... not to raise the flag': Undercover video catches wife of Colorado Senator admitting Dems are quietly defunding the police - and that the Inflation Reduction Act is really a health and climate bill
    Undercover journalists filmed Susan Daggett, the wife of Sen. Michael Bennet, speak about the Defund the Police movement and the Inflation Reduction Act
    She suggested in the video that Democrats should defund the police 'quietly'
    Daggett also told the undercover reporters they should not talk openly about how the Inflation Reduction Act is really a health and climate bill
    Bennet's challenger, Republican Joe O'Dea, says the video proves Democrats are 'trying to pull a fast one on the American people'
    Bennet's campaign, meanwhile, slammed the Accuracy in Media journalists for their undercover tactics

    It's amazing what these people will openly admit to doing when they think they're speaking to one of their own.

    Also, fuckin' LOL at Bennet decrying people for doing the same shit that 20/20 and 60 Minutes did for years, just because his dumbass wife has no OPSEC.

    But wait, there's more!

    The video ends with Daggett saying she hopes President Joe Biden does not run again in 2024.

    Lulz.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      The elite of the Democratic Party is full on bat shit crazy. They really believe in things like defund the police. They were not kidding. And they are not going to give up on those dreams just because they maybe have to lie about it for a while until the heat is off.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Yeah, I love the half-baked qualifiers that always come out of the lefties in this state--"I have a problem with Democrats, too, but the Republicans are just so extreme!" They're deliberately vague about this, but when you actually pin them down on the problems they have with the Democrats, it's always--ALWAYS--because they're not far left enough.

        They're a bunch of lying-ass jobbers with no credibility whatsoever. Bennet's one of the worst because he's just another neolib corporatist just like Hickenlooper. Polis is a shitbird, too, but at least he's not quite as retarded as his fellow party members in the state legislature and local press.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But like in past years, I hope to be amused when majorities of Colorado voters endorse Democratic candidates AND direct initiatives for tax cuts.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            I love how the people in this state are "blue no matter who" zombies who habitually turn down tax increases for actual needed things like road improvements thanks to TABOR.

            Colorado has some of the cheapest property and income taxes in the nation, so the state tries to make it up elsewhere by jacking up fees. Getting a car registration went from about $50 a year to over $200 between 2008 and 2015.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Only $200? Depending on the county, registering a new $100k vehicle can cost $2000. And that is after paying sales tax.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                I think we paid about $230-250 for our Camry registration.

              2. NealAppeal   3 years ago

                Yep! Our 2021 SUV is upwards of $600/year. The other 2000 era vehicles (paid off, of course) are in the $50 range. So plan on having basically about the same as a monthly payment for paying vehicle taxes.

              3. NealAppeal   3 years ago

                Guess you have to add the $25 for each emissions test on the other vehicles every other year.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              Renewals in Illinois are now $151 plus a "convenience" fee for using a check or card on-line.

              1. Minadin   3 years ago

                I think I paid about $65 for a 2-year renewal in Missouri last January.

                Of course, we also privatized our DMV offices, so it's actually relatively pleasant and efficient, compared to before that. I was in and out in about 10 minutes on a Saturday morning.

                1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                  This 'Missouri' you speak of sounds wondrous. Tell me do they cook the rib cages of pigs over charcoal fires there?

                  1. Nelson   3 years ago

                    Walk very carefully, Zodiac. Political discussions are calm and civilized compared to the Mad Max Thunderdome that is barbecue.

                    1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

                      I have enjoyed many regional flavors of barbecue as I traveled.

                      When someone wants to take me to their favorite, I never say I liked one from somewhere else, I just try the local fare and praise it.

                      Anything else is dancing in a minefield.

        2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          The center corporate left has pretended there could never be any enemies on the left for 50 years now. They have done nothing but excuse and enable the far left crazies. In the last few years, it has finally consumed them. The woke left hasn't destroyed the right. It has made the right stronger by driving so many people away from the left. It has, however, destroyed the center left. They all have either been red pilled and joined the right, or ended up being toadies to the far left.

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            That's very interesting because it moves their ideological point of entry to borderline socialist and almost discards the centrists that Clinton was so adept at tapping into.

      2. JimboJr   3 years ago

        Same as they did with DGB. Controversial figure head fired, but they never stopped.

    2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago (edited)

      I know this whole “first lady” thing is confusing, but spouses of governmental figures really don’t have the power you think they have. Believe it or not–they are allowed to live their own lives without their views and actions being attributed to their spouses.

      Unless you want Ginni Thomas’ behavior to control which cases Justice Thomas can hear and adjudicate, of course.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        LOL, no one brought up "power," you disingenuous shitheel. Double LOL at thinking bringing up Ginni Thomas is some kind of W.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Why would you be concerned about the wife's views if you didn't think she had some influence over her husband? Surely you aren't directly attributing her opinions to him?

          No, let's not talk about Ginni, lol...

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Maybe Bennet's idiot wife shouldn't be telling tales out of school, irrespective of what his views are.

            Bringing up Ginni Thomas is just cope.

            1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

              No, don't talk about Ginni!

    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      That ending alone makes it awesome. Talk about billboard material

  32. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Team Red is going to take it all, Peanuts!

    Conservatives will take their rightful place as our "deciders". All will be glorious again!

    We're gonna get investigations, important rules about abortion, gays kissing, book bans, Jesus in schools, and trannie twerking.

    It will be like George W and Donnie never left us. Glory days!

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      “We’re gonna get investigations, important rules about abortion, gays kissing, book bans, Jesus in schools, and trannie twerking.”

      Who knows! After those high-priority issues are settled, they might maybe get around to taking on inflation and entitlement reform.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        *snort*

        Good one! Glad I wasn't sipping coffee when I read that.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Another liberal-tarian circle jerk. Brought to you by Reason, supporters of compassionate corporatism, sex work, weed, and, of course, open borders.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Yeah. Those stupid libertarians talking about inflation and entitlement reform when they should be jumping on the Republican culture war wagon.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Oddly you spend most of the threads on those discussions attacking the GOP and creating hyperbolic strawman instead of talking about those issues. Weird.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                You spend most of these threads making personal attacks and accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a stupid, evil leftist. What's your point?

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Self-awareness is not Sarcasmic's superpower.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Thought I smelled shit.

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Then bush your teeth. Laursen must have the cleanest asshole around.

                2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Do you want to go through this thread even today and see who is doing what?

                  What do you think your posts in those threads are if not attacks against posters you disagree with?

                  Your idiocy is on point today.

                  My point is you have no concern of either issue as you spend zero time discussing them unless they can be used as an attack on your perceived enemies.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                But Sarc's ferociously "both sides" whenever a Democrat fucks up.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  He is already drunk apparently. Has been very "special" today in his comments. You can tell the pain of Democrats possibly losing a majority is weighing heavy on him.

          2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            Brought to you by Reason, supporters of compassionate corporatism, sex work, weed, and, of course, open borders.

            and Pedos.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              But enough about Shrike.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Once again proof that Sarc doesn't understand comedy.

      2. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

        Your Democrats ordered by unfunded mandate some poor communities in my state to build unisex bathrooms.
        You list silly things but it is your irrationality that does you in.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Now, now, they're called "gender neutral" or "all-gender" in Illinois.
          https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3589&GAID=15&GA=101&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=120270&SessionID=108

      3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        lol that will never happen. Ever.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      I wonder how many of these contests will be declared fraudulent by the loser. Seems to be SOP for both parties at this point.

    3. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled shit-pile, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago (edited)

      You just pissed obl retired so now the only people that suck your dick are white Mike, Chem Jeff, sarc, and whatever child was stupid enough to take candy from you

      Noted obl was a parady, but I don't think spb caught that

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Shrike doesn't get sarcasm, parody, or satire very well. Watch his SoCkSoCkPeDo sock that defended him valiantly against an accusation of being banned for kiddie porn, then deny that he's a sock two days later.

    5. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      It will. Glad you have resigned yourself to this eventuality. Perhaps you will be allowed to maintain your pursuit of happiness ala Princess Leia dancing with glee for Jabba as the bonds of security provided her with perennial happiness

  33. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Greetings to everybody on the last day of democracy!!!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Is this the return of the Republic? Not that's worthy of a few heart flutters.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Hope everyone has their bags packed and U-Hauls rented for the mass emigration to Canada!
      Mother’s Lament, what’s your address again?
      (Dibs on the sofa!)

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        I'll fit you all in the den. Bring a small mattress if you can. Hope you like poutine and moose, because Sarcasmic says that's all we have.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          I didn't say you have moose. I said you fuck moose. You. Personally.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Poor Sarcasmic must have been hacked again, because he's all about ideas and never personal attacks. The real Sarcasmic would be shouting "ad hominem" and "tu quoque" at this post right about now.

            Must be that darned Tulpa again.

          2. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

            A moose once bit my sister...

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              no realli!

              1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

                Mind you, moose bites can be quite nasti.

                1. Dillinger   3 years ago

                  she was Karving ...

            2. Utkonos   3 years ago

              I was bit by an Elk. Had to Lodge a complaint.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          Is this so called poutine vegan approved?

        3. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

          Moose poutine? W/ a cold lager?

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            The best culinary reveal in recent memory for me is Shrimp and Grits. I could eat my weight in that

    3. RENATA the rational   3 years ago (edited)

      Oh, you are so much like everybody else.

      9000 left behind in Afghanistan was okay with you. Biden should be court-martialed as a betrayer of his country.

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

        Are you fucking stupid?

    4. JimboJr   3 years ago

      that was a pretty good democracy! Had a good run!

  34. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    f Proposition 122 passes, Colorado will remove criminal penalties for noncommercial activity related to "natural medicine," which it defines to include the psychoactive components in shrooms as well as dimethyltryptamine (DMT, which is the active ingredient in ayahuasca)

    Sounds like maybe Joe "you ever done DMT, bro" Rogan might have to think about relocating to CO.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      That’s odd. I just caught a YouTube clip where he explained why he left a mountain home he had in Colorado, which he described as being like paradise. His wife was pregnant and miserable, and just couldn’t handle living at altitude well.

      1. Eeyore   3 years ago

        It is hard on pregnancies. The mother and baby. The birth weight tends to be lower as well.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Hmm, Lakewood has this huge campus to house children with extreme Downs Syndrome. Wonder if it’s not just coincidence.

  35. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    Happy Election Day…I guess. There aren't many candidates competing today about which a libertarian could get excited.

    Nice try, ENB! But we know in our hearts you are an agent of the Left!

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      She's an angry agent of the left.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Of course.

        1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

          Anyone who fails to start their Reason story with a solid "Fuck Joe Biden" is an agent of the Left. Just saying.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Some start their day with The Lord's Prayer. Others start with the "Fuck Joe Biden" prayer. To each their own.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              I sometimes start my day with a “fuck this Wordle”.

              1. Dillinger   3 years ago

                turns out there are many more 5 letter words than 6 how does that work?

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Must suck to have someone criticize your leader like that. How can you live your day when someone criticizes the ones you love.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                They were suddenly talking sense. Too bad they don't mean it.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I wouldn't know, but I imagine it's how you feel anytime anyone says "Boo" about Trump or any other Republican.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  I've posted more criticism of Trump here on Reason than you've ever posted against Biden or any other Democrat. 2 year open invite to show even 5 times you've criticized Biden or his party. You've never been able to.

                  And again, we are back to Sarc and his leftie team being able to call anyone else a trump cultist/right wing person. But don't ever call them a leftist or left leaning for defending the left.

    2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      She gets 10% of your 50 cents?

  36. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11400687/Disturbing-bodycam-footage-shows-cops-arresting-legally-blind-man.html#newcomment

    Cops stops a blind guy for carrying a "weapon" which is his walking cane. She demands ID, he demands probable cause. She says it doesn't matter, he demands her badge number. She arrests him for failure to obey an unlawful command.

    'What's the problem, are you a tyrant?' he said.

    'Yeah, I am, actually,' Gohde said. 'What's your name and date of birth?'

    Finally, an honest cop!

  37. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Kari Lake is taking the Sarah Palin fast track to VP 2024. What's not to love? MILFy, swing state, crazy in the head - crazy in bed wholesomeness.

    DeSantis-Lake 2024. Done deal.

    Unless she quits first. Won't happen though.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd posted it; it's a lie. turd lies.

  38. Sevo   3 years ago

    "COP27: We’re on a highway to climate hell, UN chief says"
    https://www.rappler.com/world/global-affairs/un-chief-guterres-speech-cop-27-november-7-2022/

    "WOLF!" he cried, yet once again.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago (edited)

      I can just imagine that said in a Southern Baptist preacher voice while thumping on a thick book full of climate predictions.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Thise would be *failed* climate predictions; Hansen claiming Riverside Drive would be flooded by 2010, for instance.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Malthus (and Ehrlich, and thousands of other doomster shamans) approves.

    3. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Speaking of wolves, why don’t he and Greta go howl at the moon?

    4. RENATA the rational   3 years ago

      But what about the kids in Africa who need fossil fuels to have a halfway decent existence.
      Billionaires emit a million times more greenhouse gases than the average person: Oxfam
      The investments of 125 of the world’s richest billionaires cause 393 million metric tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions every year, according to a report by Oxfam.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        That Oxfam number is strictly a fantasy; they started with 'we hate the wealthy' and probably spent months coming up with some metric to support their agenda.
        By that measure, I've got a huge 'carbon footprint'; a bunch of petroleum outfits in my portfolio.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Possibly, but the hypocrisy of the rich, leftist environmentalist remains. Al Gore and his ilk use private jets to get around all the time and then have the audacity to lecture us about using a small car to get to work.

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            "...Possibly, but the hypocrisy of the rich, leftist environmentalist remains..."

            Agreed, and there's more than enough ammo to use on them without shooting Oxfam blanks

      2. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

        Oxfam is the RT of the charity world. Just ignore them.

    5. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Can imagine believing anything these climate fearmongers say anymore? And being scared of it? Wow.

  39. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    'There are strategic ways to do it... not to raise the flag': Undercover video catches wife of Colorado Senator admitting Dems are quietly defunding the police - and that the Inflation Reduction Act is really a health and climate bill

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11401885/Sen-Michael-Bennet-blasted-wife-suggests-Democrats-defund-police-quietly.html

    Whoopsie!

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      "But Accuracy in Media President Adam Guillette pushed back against criticism.

      'I love that police officers wear body cams,' he said. 'And I'd love a world where politicians wore body cams."

      He also wants to put cameras on non-politicians, apparently...

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        You guys sure do hate the taste of your own medicine.

        1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

          Whoosh...

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            OK, Shrike, whatever.

  40. Griffin3   3 years ago

    Big red wave coming, we all know that. In some cases (Looking at you, Philly) there will be cheating, but I imagine a bunch of the edge cases are actually going to turn out to be such landslides, that no amount of mail-in ballot manipulation will be able to save the day. So, expecting the Republicans to gain control of both the house and the senate, no surprise there.

    I predict that Biden will find some medical excuse to resign before inauguration day, some reason not associated with mental decline. The articles in the NYT and CNN critical of him a few days ago was a shot across the bows, that the media will no longer protect him. And the Rs in the house are drooling for some reason, any reason, to put him on the stand. To answer questions, before congress, unscripted? No one is going to allow that.

    Kamala Harris will be president, and will immediately try to appoint some actually popular leader as the Vice President. I'm thinking Gavin Newsome, but there are several top Dems with some charisma that would do the trick. Getting them through congress with be a trick, but I imagine it'll get done by some backend vote trading. Then Kamala will be asked to step down by the party, sometime in the next two years, so that the 2024 election won't be tainted by her abysmal approval ratings. She will refuse. She will cling to the presidency with desperate strength, she did not lie and sleep her way to the top to set it aside when asked; she wants nothing but to be the top dog herself.

    So we will be treated to impeachment hearings of her, listen to her tittering and repeating herself, and making the sort of inane word salad she is known for, further destroying any credibility she might have. I think she will last till the bitter end, although if Hillary is somehow placed in the Vice President position, I don't like her chances for saving throw versus random violence.

    In either case, the Democrats will go into 2024 with a disaster on their hands, completely unlikable people, a border influx that is clearly turning against their policies, and either uncontrolled inflation or an economic depression. Good times for the rest of us, eh?

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Why yes, Democrats are doomed. You are correct.

      American voters have forgotten how they booted Dumbya and Fatass Donnie out along with their GOP House and Senate.

      It's almost like whoever voters choose is bad.

      MAYBE THIS TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT !!!!

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        "MAYBE THIS TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT !!!!"

        You'd hate that. You're all for the Romney, Chaney, McCain crowd.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I am hoping to see such "grass roots" enthusiasm that voter participation goes over 100%.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      I doubt Kamala will be impeached but she'll lose the inevitable primary. Possibly to VP Newsome.

    4. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      Let me be the first:

      KAMALA DIDN'T KILL HERSELF

  41. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    > "fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives."

    Notice what's missing in California's initiative. That's right, the fundamental right to REFUSE an abortion. So I get the right to refuse contraceptives, but not the right to refuse abortions?

    This is the number one reason I voted against it. Not that I think California would immediately start imposing abortions, but I know my history and eugenics was a thing the Progressives brought to the table. Imagine the state deciding that a keeping a fetus with Downs Syndrome was not in the government's interest. Not hard to imagine, China already can force abortions on mothers.

    In general I am mixed on abortion. Keep it legal in first trimester, and keep it illegal in last trimester except for special cases. But I don't get my dander worked up over the status quo in California. Which the initiative is trying to enshrine. But when the initiative leaves out that one very important clause, I worry.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      You have to embrace a "zero responsibility" ethic for society (at least for the good people). Then you can claim your right to sex without contraception, your right to abortion at any term, and your right to have others pay for that (and whatever other "harm" you suffered).

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Wow, uh, agreed.

      Does my right to refuse a contraceptive include the right to refuse or provide any medical intervention (wink wink, nudge nudge, jab jab, poke poke) that I *think* might affect my 'right to conceive'? Asking for Kimberly Bergalis and Randon Bragdon.

  42. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Doctor Who's budget 'is set to more than TRIPLE as it increases to a record-breaking £10m per episode after securing exciting deal with Disney+'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11403247/Doctor-Whos-budget-set-TRIPLE-increases-record-breaking-10million.html

    What the fuck. I'm already a season behind because I don't want to pay for BBC. Does this mean it will be on Disney+ now?

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      last Who worth paying for was Eccleston. maybe Capaldi I liked him.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        I like them all. It's more about the writing than the actor.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          prehaps. Tennant > Smith and I have enjoyed things I saw Tennant in post-Who

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          unfortunately for everyone, Disney is where writing goes to die.

          The formula is throw heaps of money at IP, inject the most infantile woke SJW writing, continue to get enough views based on nostalgia for said IP, though greatly diminished.

          The last season of Dr. Who was so epicly bad, I didnt think anyone could fuck it up more, but Disney is about to do a 'hold my beer'

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        I'll take two seasons of a Time Lord with a Portal Gun over all the others.

  43. Dillinger   3 years ago

    weed legalization to Us may be libertarian but to Them is only "how can we tax and regulate the fuck out of it"

    1. Minadin   3 years ago

      My primary issue with the Missouri legalization amendment is that whole 'tax and regulate the fuck out of it' portion, but it's still better than the current arrangement, so I am voting in favor.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        oh ya you have to no doubt.

  44. Dillinger   3 years ago

    also, what's the attire for The Death of Democracy?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      For women, the handmaid outfit. For black men, chains. For white men, top hat and tails, monocle optional.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

        Hope the rest of you white men have already bought your bullwhips and riding crops. There’s going to be a run on them tomorrow.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Absent the blue stripe (maybe): BOAF SIDEZ.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        in total contrast my mother answered with the Borat Swimsuit I'll spare you the link

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          I think we can all agree that a black Borat thong under (or over) white kit and fatigues is a mortal sin.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Anything you want, of course! Fuck the Majority's Fashion Police! 🙂

  45. Utkonos   3 years ago

    Serious question for y’all (pardon the appropriation): Having exercised your right to choose, have you settled on a beverage of choice for this evening’s spectacle?
    Modelo Chelada here…

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Wild Turkey.

      1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        A fine choice, Moonrocks. I'll be hitting some Maker's Mark this evening, for sure.

        1. Smack Daddy   3 years ago

          My own home brew.

          1. Griffin3   3 years ago

            Evan Williams and maraschino cherry juice. Don't judge. Please.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA. I save them for special occasions.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Some Bulleit will make a nice Ol' Fashioned

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        I didn't know Steve McQueen was a bartender. 😉

    3. Minadin   3 years ago

      I make my own Micheladas, but they do still start with Modelo as a base.

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        Mmmm…I’d love to try it. I actually bought Modelo Chelada by mistake the first time and didn’t really care for it—-nw I’m hooked!

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          Sooo...The drink helps you Chelada? 😉

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          It really is the only acceptable beer tweak. I save money by just mixing Clamato in

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            The mere term and premise of "Clamato" make me dry heave, to be followed by wet if I think too much about it.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

      Frey Ranch bourbon

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        I wouldn't like a Ranch-flavored bourbon. Ugh! 😉

    5. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Since I'm not voting, I'll stick with my SodaStream with Bubbly Orange, Bubbly Strawberry or homemade sugar-free ginger ale made with ground ginger.

      SodaStream offends the Progressives and Communists because it's Do-It-Yourself, self-reliant refreshment done your own way and at your own expense.

      SodaStream also offends the Christian Right Nationalists because I also reserve the right to drink it with any alcohol or drug of my choice and the right to use it for any freaky-deaky, kinky purpose with any partner of my choice.

      And, of course, Misek and Biobehavioral_View and the BDS crowd all hate it because SodaStream is an Israeli company of both Jews and Arabs working together, trying to get through a damn day without killing, and trying to make a profit to boot!

      Mazel Tov! L'Chiam! Salud! Skál! Santé! Through the teeth and past the gums! Look out, baby! Here she comes! 🙂

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        And remember: The most important choices you make are those you make every day with your body, mind, property, and money, not choices you make only once every 2, 4, and 6 years.

    6. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Oh, and don't worry about saying "Ya'll." Us Southerners don't have a Trademark on it and it's a kinda quaint tribute for outsiders to use it. 🙂

  46. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    Proposition 1 would amend California's constitution to include a right to reproductive freedom, defined to include the "fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives."

    Well, that's not uselessly vague.

  47. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    MAYBE THIS TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT !!!!

    Vote GOP!

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd posted it; it's a lie. turd lies.

    2. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

      Just be sure that your down bad, value brand Ron Jeremy lookin', kiddie diddlin' ugly fat ass is still around late tonight so we can all relentlessly laugh at and mock the shit out of you.

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  49. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

    “Happy Election Day…I guess.”

    HAPPY FRAUD DAY, ENB!

    Now comes the exciting part where we watch to see if the red tide can overwhelm the electoral fortifications in the purple and blue lands. Can they beat the cheat?

    For example will Dr. Oz overcome the Mystical Magical Mail-In Ballots that will suddenly show up in the middle of the night in Philadelphia? All for Pennsylvania’s Highest-Elected Hobo, of course.

    ABC News warns of a “red mirage” on Election Day. That means that we aren’t supposed to believe that Republicans won elections based on the votes cast today, we have to wait for the — you guessed it — Mystical Magical Mail-In Ballots to appear out of the ether.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Fetterman campaign sues Pennsylvania to count undated, misdated ballots
      https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/fetterman-campaign-sues-pennsylvania-count-undated-misdated-ballots
      The campaign asked a federal judge on Monday to require that election officials count the erroneous or incomplete ballots in the election after the state Supreme Court ruled that the commonwealth could not count such ballots last week.
      The Democratic House and Senate campaign arms also joined the suit, which was filed in Pittsburgh, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer.
      "The date [requirement] imposes unnecessary hurdles that eligible Pennsylvanians must clear to exercise their most fundamental right, resulting in otherwise valid votes being arbitrarily rejected without any reciprocal benefit to the Commonwealth," the complaint reads.
      Democrats disproportionately use mail-in ballots and thousands, if not more, will likely have disqualifying dating errors under state law. In turn, this could spell the loss of a considerable amount of net votes for Fetterman in the hotly contested Senate race.
      With no hearing yet set for the suit, the final result of the Senate race may not become clear for weeks following Tuesday's election.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Of course, because those undated and misdated ballots are probably all fraudulent votes for Fetterman.

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          the ones filled out illegibly are the only ones his swiss cheese brain can process

      2. Nelson   3 years ago

        I'm not sure why legal votes cast by legal voters that arrive before Election Day shouldn't be counted if they don't have a date on them. If they're there before Election Day, why does it matter?

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      For example will Dr. Oz overcome the Mystical Magical Mail-In Ballots that will suddenly show up in the middle of the night in Philadelphia?

      At least we'll know by tomorrow. If they're still "counting" by then, we know they'll "find" enough ballots to declare the hobo winner in a couple months.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Depends on if the red counties are smart enough to hold off their ballot counts until Philadelphia and Pittsburgh submit theirs.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          At this point I'm not sure if people who claim widespread voter fraud are delusional, being misled by dishonest politicians, are so transactional that they don't care what it takes as long as their side wins, or are actually interested in sowing distrust in the fundemental foundation of electoral democracy.

  50. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Howard University chapel speaker says a "demon of disinformation" is making "black male voters in Georgia willing to support Raphael Warnock but not Stacey Abrams."

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      It is fun watching them openly belittle those stupid black males so quickly when they step off the plantation. Full media campaign going on to shame them from their wrong think

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Black men aren't allowed to think for themselves. Democrats now and have always viewed black men simply as something they should own.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Since 1832.

  51. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Just like that it's okay to question elections again.

    Politico Establishes the Groundwork for Democrats to Deny 2022 Election Results

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      CNN "it'll definitely be late tomorrow before we can know the true results"

  52. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Democrats gonna Democrat

    Someone mailed a white powder to the Lake campaign

    "This is not the first time we've been threatened. I've been threatened many times. Our tires have been slashed. We've had screws drilled into our tires so that our tires would blow out while we're on the road. We are living in dangerous times,"

    1. SoSoCoCoMoFo   3 years ago

      Fundraising opportunity.

  53. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Asking questions about Fetterman’s stroke is ‘eugenics’ and ‘ableism’

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      i think they are running out of sharks to jump

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      So is aborting black and disabled babies.

  54. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Proposition 1 would amend California's constitution to include a right to reproductive freedom, defined to include the "fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives."

    the smug virtue-signalling is strong with this one.

    California is in no danger of restricting current abortion limits any time soon.

    And no one, anywhere, is making an effort to ban contraception.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      ^+1

    2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago (edited)

      Yeah…there’s no point getting worked up about preaching to a choir that is largely unopposable in a state rife with the loser children of Midwest proggy families

  55. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Former friends and colleagues of Arizona Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake "say they remember her far differently from the candidate they see today

    Ah.. I love the smell of panic in the morning. It smells like victory.

  56. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    The Florida Department of State told the Department of Justice that its election monitors could not be in polling places.
    The DOJ announced it would send “monitors” around the country to ensure the election goes smoothly. Yeah, okay.
    “Section 102.031(3)(a) of the Florida Statutes lists the people who ‘may enter any polling room or polling place,'” wrote Brad McVay, general counsel at the Florida Department of State. “Department of Justice personnel are not included on the list.”
    https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/11/fl-dept-of-state-tells-doj-election-monitors-are-not-permitted-under-florida-law/

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Here in the People's Republic of NJ, plenty of poll watchers, but no DOJ monitors. Not really heavy turnout, either. I asked what turnout was like today, "Slow and steady" was the answer. I had zero wait time.

      I live in a fairly wealthy town in the People's Republic. Lot's of BLM and Hate Has No Home signs....I fly my Gadsden flag proudly. 🙂 Drives the uber-libs in my neighborhood nuts.

  57. JimboJr   3 years ago

    Ill be thrilled with a 51/49 R senate (house is a lock) and as many R Gov's as possible. COVID really put a focus on how important your state gov is, if there was any question.

    Best case scenario for the remainder of Biden's term is gridlock not allowing anything to get passed, and Fauci et al testifying weekly to defend their crimes.

    Any extra seats (esp Walker in Ga) will be gravy with lib tears as a base.

    1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      53 is the minimum, IMO. 57 is the high-water mark, but incredibly unlikely. 55 maybe if a few upsets, like WA and/or NH.

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        As long as it is 50% plus one vote, I'm fine.

        We desperately need a check against the white house. 51, 53, 55 -- anything that keeps it not D is good.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          As long as the Ds have the White House and the Rs have the House, we have divided government. So that's a win, assuming the Rs forgo an obstructionist agenda in favor of a fiscal-responsibility agenda. We've got to get spending under control.

          Ideally we would get a balanced budget, but I fear the Rs don't want to set a precedent in case they have all three (House, Senate, White House) again in 2024. They wouldn't want to limit their own deficit spending then by requiring responsibility now.

  58. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    See?

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